Niall Donald

I mean, now, if you look at that sentence, right, what she was basically given, was it a one year sentence suspended for a period of three years?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And of course, the courts tend to be, you know, they can impose them pretty much automatically.

Exactly.

And hopefully it is a chance that she takes.

I mean, absolutely.

I mean, it's just ironic when you talk about Prince Andrew, like at the end of the day,

We all know he's not going to get a suspended sentence and he's not going to go to prison.

I mean, let's be realistic about it.

And it's just funny when you see, like, people are very cynical about the justice systems because, you know, Miss McDonagh, you know, she stole yogurts and a bottle of Jack Daniels.

In the context of...

you know, Prince Andrew, you have to, you can only, you'd be hard-hearted to think that they should lock her up.

But even when they do lock people up, it doesn't always, it doesn't always run smooth, does it?

Because Ken Foy, our colleague who's on this podcast regularly, he had a great story about somebody who escaped from prison and then basically rang up and said, can I come back in?

I'm really sorry.

No, he's subject to disciplinary sanction, I think, in court.

Like, the open prisons, I think, people find them fascinating because, you know, it seems such a contradictory concept.

But Lock and House he was in, which is up in Cavan, and it's in a, you know, pretty isolated part of the country.

And, you know, it's, I mean, really, just like Shelton Abbey as well, they're...