Nick Clegg

I mean, literally, I think they do not underestimate the kind of almost lofty... It's, by the way, why they all have this sort of undergraduate fascination with ancient Rome.

They want to live in a world where great men, and it's always men, do great things while the rest of us Lilliputian individuals scurry around in our...

in the sort of lower divisions and for which then, you know, statues are erected, which will last for hundreds of years.

That sort of almost legacy perspective drives their behaviour much.

And we can mock it or whatever, but that drives the behaviour much, much more than have I got an extra few billion compared to my competitors.

Let's remember, I personally think one of our problems in this country is we've forgotten ambition.

We're so jaded.

We're so cynical.

We're so fearful of everything new.

Not everything is rubbish.

But I was just making this contrast.

And one of the things I found very striking when I moved, just individually, personally...

From Westminster, which is a place, as you know, just enveloped in suffocated in sort of smothered by the past.

And remember, the Brexit wars were basically a battle.

It was a triumph of nostalgia over a claim of the future.

When I then moved to California, which all looks as if it was built last Tuesday.

The thing I found so refreshing was that everyone I was talking to.

were instead of arguing about conflicting claims on the past, which is what Westminster and the Brexit debate was about, were all competing with each other about rival claims to the future.

And again, it's easy to kind of mock and titter because it can be so pompous and so lofty and so on.

But