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Nick Harkaway

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

that Ronnie wanted his children to counterfeit the manners of the aristocracy and the elite class in the UK at the time was because that was how you got a better class of mark.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

Oh, really?

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

I'm sure he told himself or told them that he just wanted them to be better than him.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

But I have absolutely no doubt that he wanted them to be his doorways, his signers, his, you know, his access, right?

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

I think it's undeniable.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

And I think, incidentally, I would throw in the contemporary British public school system, which taught emotional deceit at a very high level.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

He was shipped off to boarding school at five.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

And I was talking to someone who said, in that situation, you have to choose whether you love your family or you love the school.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

And it's just less painful to love the school.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

And those institutions turned out our colonial governors, our military commanders.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

It was a machine for the creation of the British Empire.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

And that was what Ronnie wanted to participate in.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

It's what he wanted his sons to become.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

Yeah, because stories were the currency around our table.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

When I was growing up, if I came home from school, I had a story.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

Dad would have something to share.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

We'd swap stories as a way of getting to know each other.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

If I came back from when I was at university, when I came home, what's the best story you've got?

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

Come on, let's have it.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

What's been fun?