Nick Heiner

And, you know, it's it's something that, you know, people say like companies are an embodiment of their founder.

And like this is very much a reflection of Edwin, the CEO, and the way he wants to run the company.

He really values his autonomy.

You know, he does not want to be acquired.

And he cares deeply about building AGI in a safe and valuable way.

And, you know, again, sorry to my VC friends, but like a nice way to do that is to not have any external pressure from anyone, you know, looking for you to hit a certain valuation, your next fundraise to show quarterly results, you know, to pivot if the thing you're doing isn't working and they don't have patience.

Yeah.

So, you know, that was that was really the path that he chose to really give him the freedom to do that.

And because, you know, the business was basically immediately successful, there was just never really a need to.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

And it's like, you know, Edwin wanted to found like a research lab that happened to make money.

That's a bonus.

Yeah, exactly.

But, you know, as opposed to like,

I don't know.

Yeah, some people are not like that.

Anyway, we're moving on to the next question about sort of like what the future holds.

If you talk to AI researchers, they'll say that they can hill climb on anything that has a good eval.

Hill climbing just being the process of like you keep making iterative changes and you see when you're getting better.

The problem is we've been discussing a bunch here is like the challenge of making those evals.