Nick Kypreos

And that...

There's a jealousy thing around the league, too, and we're still seeing it.

There's a jealousy thing, right?

Of course there is.

There's a big one going on right now with these analytical guys and up against scouting staffs and ex-players.

JB, it's just not about the information.

It's about...

In our hockey world growing up, there was you earn your keep.

Nothing's handed to you.

You earn it.

You show that you're...

getting better all the time and that you slowly kind of peck away at something, you don't just get handed the keys.

And that's the issue with a lot of the friction going on between the analytics department and the ex-player or the scout that's done it for 10 or 12 years can't get a sniff.

And then they watch Sonny who...

you're not even sure if he knows how to skate, right?

He's never scouted in his life, never done a lot of the things that these guys have been doing behind the scenes for 10 or 12 years, and they go, why?

Who can help us win more games?

But you're not even sure.

You're not even sure if it's guaranteed that it's going to help you win games.

Right.