Nick Miroff

i think that they think it is winning politics for them and i think that they think that this is winning policy for them this is what stephen miller has been building up to his entire political career we didn't see it on this kind of level you know in the first trump administration because there were checks there were safeguards the border was still the focus but now that the border is basically closed and all of the energy and the resources and attention are on this deportation campaign

These confrontations are what they've been building up to for a long time.

So this is something that I'm writing about this week.

And I think that the main takeaway is that the Department of Homeland Security has gotten way off of its foundational mission.

But at the core of it is this unresolved conflict in our politics and our country about immigration enforcement and the role of immigration and immigrants in American society.

And they're two completely divergent visions right now that are clashing in a way we've never seen.

My pleasure.

Always good to be with you.