Nick Pell
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So apparently I'm not the only one who thinks the draft is slavery.
I don't know if they're exclusively using them as slaves there, but there is a weird thing where the term's been open-ended since 1998. In theory, it's supposed to be 18 months, but the average term in the Eritrean military is six years. And there are tons of guys who say that they were enslaved, I mean, conscripted. They say they were there for over 10 years.
I don't know if they're exclusively using them as slaves there, but there is a weird thing where the term's been open-ended since 1998. In theory, it's supposed to be 18 months, but the average term in the Eritrean military is six years. And there are tons of guys who say that they were enslaved, I mean, conscripted. They say they were there for over 10 years.
I don't know if they're exclusively using them as slaves there, but there is a weird thing where the term's been open-ended since 1998. In theory, it's supposed to be 18 months, but the average term in the Eritrean military is six years. And there are tons of guys who say that they were enslaved, I mean, conscripted. They say they were there for over 10 years.
According to the International Labor Organization, it's 40 million worldwide. That's one of those numbers. 40 million is a relatively small amount of people around the world. It's a relatively small amount of labor force, but it's absolutely obscene that we have that many. It's definitely on the other side of an imaginary line that I can't hand wave and be like, this is not a big deal to me.
According to the International Labor Organization, it's 40 million worldwide. That's one of those numbers. 40 million is a relatively small amount of people around the world. It's a relatively small amount of labor force, but it's absolutely obscene that we have that many. It's definitely on the other side of an imaginary line that I can't hand wave and be like, this is not a big deal to me.
According to the International Labor Organization, it's 40 million worldwide. That's one of those numbers. 40 million is a relatively small amount of people around the world. It's a relatively small amount of labor force, but it's absolutely obscene that we have that many. It's definitely on the other side of an imaginary line that I can't hand wave and be like, this is not a big deal to me.
This is a big deal to me. Another estimate puts it at 50 million. We've got to go back and come full circle with this about what is slavery. And I think that we may want to consider that these numbers are somewhat inflated, which is not to say that I think that the real numbers are anything I'm going to be comfortable with. But I think some of the things that are counted as slavery are just not.
This is a big deal to me. Another estimate puts it at 50 million. We've got to go back and come full circle with this about what is slavery. And I think that we may want to consider that these numbers are somewhat inflated, which is not to say that I think that the real numbers are anything I'm going to be comfortable with. But I think some of the things that are counted as slavery are just not.
This is a big deal to me. Another estimate puts it at 50 million. We've got to go back and come full circle with this about what is slavery. And I think that we may want to consider that these numbers are somewhat inflated, which is not to say that I think that the real numbers are anything I'm going to be comfortable with. But I think some of the things that are counted as slavery are just not.
No, it's not. And like I said, it's impossible to talk about modern slavery without including forced labor, because like, I think the guys in a retreat are being paid, but who cares? This is not okay. Chattel slavery does still exist in pockets and isolation, but the main form is forced labor. So anti-slavery international gives some definitions of what constitutes modern slavery.
No, it's not. And like I said, it's impossible to talk about modern slavery without including forced labor, because like, I think the guys in a retreat are being paid, but who cares? This is not okay. Chattel slavery does still exist in pockets and isolation, but the main form is forced labor. So anti-slavery international gives some definitions of what constitutes modern slavery.
No, it's not. And like I said, it's impossible to talk about modern slavery without including forced labor, because like, I think the guys in a retreat are being paid, but who cares? This is not okay. Chattel slavery does still exist in pockets and isolation, but the main form is forced labor. So anti-slavery international gives some definitions of what constitutes modern slavery.
Some of them are their slavery or close enough to that. We can call them that being owned as chattel. It still happens. Mm-hmm. I don't know if many parts of the world, but multiple parts of the world. Debt bondage. You know, you take on the debt that's so large you can't ever repay it.
Some of them are their slavery or close enough to that. We can call them that being owned as chattel. It still happens. Mm-hmm. I don't know if many parts of the world, but multiple parts of the world. Debt bondage. You know, you take on the debt that's so large you can't ever repay it.
Some of them are their slavery or close enough to that. We can call them that being owned as chattel. It still happens. Mm-hmm. I don't know if many parts of the world, but multiple parts of the world. Debt bondage. You know, you take on the debt that's so large you can't ever repay it.
You're bought and sold, more or less, and forced to work awful jobs, and your children inherit your debt, and thus the status after you die. There's the forced labor that we talked about in the Eritrean and North Korean military. She went trafficking where they take your passport.
You're bought and sold, more or less, and forced to work awful jobs, and your children inherit your debt, and thus the status after you die. There's the forced labor that we talked about in the Eritrean and North Korean military. She went trafficking where they take your passport.
You're bought and sold, more or less, and forced to work awful jobs, and your children inherit your debt, and thus the status after you die. There's the forced labor that we talked about in the Eritrean and North Korean military. She went trafficking where they take your passport.
I think inflated-ish, the thing about non-governmental organizations or NGOs is they have a sort of clear incentive to exaggerate problems. So like domestic servitude is generally defined in really nebulous ways. I know there's examples of people underpaying domestic servants who don't know anything about the law or treating them badly. And again, it's not okay. I'm not okay with that.