Nick Viall
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More of the latter. I think it's a risk. Yeah, I don't see any real benefit for the relationship. And Natalie and I, you know, we post about our relationship and she's on the vile files, you know, a lot more now. And, you know, we like to share some things about our relationship. We certainly don't share everything. I always say like Instagram's not a love language.
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I think it's the validation. I think we just are a society that really seeks out the approval of others, you know?
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Well, again, because you are increasing the chances of you caring a lot about what other people say. Because you're reading all these comments. Oh, you guys look so good together. You guys, oh, what is that? And I always say, in my experience in the public eye and in social media, that the positive comments are more dangerous than the negative ones. Really? Why? Yeah.
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Uh, because it's easy to dismiss negative ones. Like, I don't know me. Screw that, that, whatever. But, you know, after a few, uh, heart-eyed emojis and, oh my God, you're the cutest couple of all time, you know, whether they're positive or negative, they're all strangers. Right. They don't know me. They have no insight into my life.
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They, they just, they, they, they can make guesses from what they've seen or whatever, but they don't, they don't really know me. But if I'm going to read a bunch of positive comments and take them to heart, well, then my subconscious is gonna say, well, you can't pick and choose. You have to take the negative ones to heart as well. So by getting the positive ones,
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and you read them, you're like, yep, nope, I'm awesome, I'm awesome, I'm awesome, I'm awesome. And then you're like, well, these are very valid comments because I am awesome. Right, right, right. And then all of a sudden that negative one hits you and even if you say, oh, they don't know me, You've spent all this time not saying that about the positive ones. They don't know you either.
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They don't know you either. But now your subconscious brain is taking it all to heart. And so that's why I always feel like the positive ones are setting you up for the negative comment. Interesting. It's really dangerous that way.
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Well, you know, despite me saying it can be a risk, I do think there's something you said about, you know, being with someone who gives you the sense that they're proud to be with you, that they want to share their relationship. You know, everything is about balance. And listen, we live in a world where a lot of things are online. So, you know, extremes scare me on anything.
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So if someone, I've been dating this guy for six months, everything's great, but he refuses to post, It's a bit of red flag. Right, right. Unless he's just not on social media. If he's not on social media, yeah, that would be my first question is like, does he ever post? Yeah, he's like, no. He's like, no. It's like, well, then I don't think there's an issue.
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It's actually something I was just doing another friend's podcast and it kind of came up because, you know, my background, I grew up, I had a great childhood, you know, lovely parents, family of, I have 10 brothers and sisters. I'm the second oldest of 11 kids. Wow. Parents are still married today. They were a great example of love. We grew up Catholic.
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If he's posting about his friends and all this stuff and he's pretty active and he's not posting about you, that's definitely a red flag. So if it's the latter and he is an active poster and he's actively on there, I would just... tell them what it would mean to you. It would just mean a lot if you shared our relationship and just, I wanna feel like you're proud of our relationship.
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And I think that's an okay feeling. I think the best thing we can do when we communicate to our loved ones is to say like, this is how I feel about a situation. This would mean a lot. And then the big question is you give them an opportunity to see if they're willing to make you a priority.
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Because I think there's a lot of relationships out there where people are accepting their partners, not prioritizing them and choosing to stay in the relationship more out of fear of what else might be out there or what they don't think they can find rather than feeling loved and feeling validated. It's funny how people will call in about relationships and
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they'll be frustrated with their partner. And one of my favorite questions I ask them is, what do you like or love about how they make you feel? It's so funny how a lot of times people won't have an answer to that, you know? And it's like, oh, well, you know, like we have fun together and like, you know, he's really smart and he's really nice with people. That's all great, but...
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What do you love about how they make you feel? Because what I'm hearing from you is you spend a lot of time telling me that you're confused, you're often sad, you feel lonely. So I'm just wondering, what about this relationship are you fighting for?
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Yeah. And they're, or they're not just make, they're not making, you know, what's the point of being a relationship if they don't make you feel loved? Ooh. You know? And I think I was that person. I was in a lot of relationships where I asked myself, does this, I don't, I don't think she likes me, you know, because I used to always prioritize chemistry over compatibility.
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which I think most of us do because chemistry is sexy. Oh, it is. It's fun. It gives you that spark. It's passionate, yeah, yeah. Unfortunately, chemistry is hard to trust, and chemistry can be very much manufactured. People are just naturally charismatic, tall, good-looking, can brighten up a room when they walk in. Chemistry can be found because of similar interests.
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People who go on The Bachelor have a natural chemistry because of a shared experience, being part of the same church or community. That can create chemistry between people. But that doesn't necessarily mean love. Now, compatibility on the other hand is, it's not as sexy, it's not as fun, but that you can trust a lot more. Do we enjoy being around each other?
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Natalie is the first person that I've been in a relationship with where we have a lot in common. you know, where we're very compatible. Right. Because I used, again, back to that love martyr, I didn't even prioritize chemistry, uh, compatibility at all. It was like, and I, and I was like, well, it doesn't matter. We're in love. Love. It's all, it doesn't matter.
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And so there's a little bit, I don't know how familiar I was with Catholicism, but there's a little kind of martyr spirit. and the whole thing. And so I think that kind of passed down to us kids. But, you know, what I learned from my parents was that love is special, but it's also, you know, relationships can be really hard. And, you know, then you grow up watching rom-coms and TV shows. Disney.
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You know, I'm, I love her and love will conquer all. But then every day it was just like, so what do you, like, what do you want to eat for dinner? Like, what should we watch?
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It was like opposite. You know, and relationships are hard enough. Yeah. You know, even when you're super compatible and you're on the same page most of the time, it still requires sacrifice and compromise. And if you have to do that for every decision, every day, it is exhausting. Exhausting.
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And yeah, I just, you know, we are a society that prioritizes chemistry far too much and we have to give compatibility a little bit more of a spotlight.
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Yeah, and movies like The Notebook who have all these high stakes and... quite frankly, a lot of toxicity in relationships. But those types of shows teach you that none of it really matters as long as you end up together. And in reality, that's not really the case. But as a young man, I kind of took those lessons and thought to myself, well, love is special and it's hard.
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So you just have to fight through all these challenges. And yes, every relationship has its challenges and you have to work through stuff. I kind of turned into a bit of a love martyr. You know, I got to the point where it didn't really even matter if I liked them. You know, it's like I didn't ask myself questions like, do I enjoy their company? Do they enjoy mine? Are we even compatible?
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It was more like, well, I'll fight for the relationship so much that the more I fought for it, the more special I thought that relationship was and what that meant. Even if they weren't the right match. Even if it wasn't the right match. I mean, there were, you know, my first girlfriend, God bless her. I met her when I was 18. We broke up so many times. Usually it was her breaking up with me.
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And every time she broke up with me, it was like I had to fight for the relationship because, you know, again, love is special. And whether it was my parents telling me that love is special, but you have to work hard on things. You know, I had the right intentions, so to speak, but like it was a bit misguided.
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And I think through that, I spent a lot of energy on people who, quite frankly, it just wasn't the right fit. But I kind of misconstrued my intentions, so to speak, and, you know, kind of became that love martyr. And I think a lot of people are, you know, sometimes where you kind of get stuck in these relationships and you think about things like, well... I can't break up now.
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We've been dating for so long. As if like... We're so invested, right? Yeah. So invested. And there would be no value to these past three years of our relationship if we end the relationship. So I have to keep fighting. And if I fight, I will somehow be rewarded. And my love will be special because the worse it is, the harder I have to fight. And if the harder I fight, the more special it is.
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And it's such a misconstrued, toxic way to look at relationships. But... I very much did. So I would tell him not to be a love martyr. Okay. And the third thing? I would tell them to be careful about listening to your ego over your heart, you know? And I think that's something I did a lot of, and I confused validation with love, you know? And I think we do that a lot.
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So when our ego takes over, and I think, you know, sometimes I talk a lot about ego on my show, almost to the point where I feel like it gets like a bad rep in a way, but sometimes It's not really true. You know, I don't know if you're like a comic book fan at all, but I kind of equate ego to like a superpower.
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A superpower that like if you... In X-Men, are you familiar with like the Phoenix character? Right? She's so powerful that she can't control her own power to the point where it harms others, right? And that's kind of like your ego. Your ego can be a superpower. Your ego is what gives you the confidence to like act as if. You know, you had to have some kind of ego to do...
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what you've done right to say i could do this why not me you know that takes a little bit of ego and that confidence and that that allows you to step up the play to you know face impossible challenges but if you can't control that ego if you can't you know be mindful of you know when it creeps up it can really lead you down dark paths you know your ego will tell you
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that you have to change the wrong thing, chase the wrong thing, because again, your ego is like saying, well, you're not good enough. That person who won't give you respect, who doesn't make you a priority, who treats you with disrespect, well, if you can get them to change their behavior for you, even though they've done all this with all these other people, you'll be special. Wow.
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And chasing that feeling of being special because my ego thought, well, you know, because I played sports, I was a competitive guy, That challenge, that fix of the recognition of, oh, you did this. I can't believe you did this. You got that boy or whatever to settle for you. Hey, no one else could do that, but you got to do that. And that must make you special.
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And so that chasing the validation and not being mindful of when your ego was telling you to chase the wrong thing.
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um got me into a lot of trouble and i spent a lot of time not accepting uh relationships that weren't really healthy for me and i wasted a lot of my time you know following my ego and not my heart man you mentioned this concept of validation what is the difference between validation and love Well, I feel like love is more about acceptance of yourself and the people you do love.
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I mean, to truly love someone is accepting who they are, both for their strengths and their weaknesses. And it's when you really love their weaknesses. You don't necessarily have to accept their weaknesses all the time. You can always challenge the people you love to... become a better person. But at the end of the day, you got to go to a point where you accept them for everything that they are.
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And not to sound cheesy or cliche, but that starts with yourself. Validation is almost the opposite. Quite honestly, it seems like the literal opposite when I think about it. It's that feeling of of needing outside praise, you know, that recognition and needing that to feel enough, you know, rather than just knowing that you are.
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And so when you're chasing validation relationships, you're suggesting that you, and I felt that when I was younger, I felt like I'm not going to be a complete person until I find that right person. Really? You know, my partner, you know, and until then. Why did you feel that?
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I think it was because I, you know, again, for as great as my parents were, I think, you know, between seeing their love and, and getting caught up in the, all the rom-coms and the romance of love, I think I just kind of had a misconstrued, it was, it was, I felt like it was so important, you know, you got to find that person and start a family and things like that, that I thought to myself, well, if I, until I find that I'm,
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I'm not a finished product. Interesting. And so, when I started looking for love, then it became looking for the person who I thought made me a better person. And people will say that too. It's like, what are you looking for? Oh, I'm looking for someone to make me a better person. Well, I learned that was not what you should be looking for.
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You can, I hope everyone gets to find someone, like I feel like I've found, someone that helps you become your best version of yourself, but no one's gonna make you a better person. Right. That's a lot of responsibility and weight. A lot of weight, yeah. And you know, how do they look next to you and things like that and all those things that at the end of the day don't really matter.
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And so love is again, just acceptance of what you have and the people you're with and loving your person for their strengths and their weaknesses. And yeah, I hope I answered your question. It was beautiful. Yeah.
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I would say the pain doesn't mean they were special. Ooh, wow. Because I used to do that. The more hurt I felt over a breakup, the more my, I don't know if it was my ego or something internally would tell me, well, that must mean what I lost was very special. Interesting. And that means I have to fight for it. Oh, man. What does the pain mean most of the time?
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The pain might mean that it was meaningful. If you're in any type of long-term relationship, you clearly shared meaningful moments. They take up a lot of your time. You probably met their family. They met yours. You've developed some really great memories together. You probably made a lot of promises about the future with one another that now, if the relationship ended, you have to...
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Think about all the promises you made that aren't going to happen. And that can be very painful. It's the loss. It's the loss of something that, you know, at one point you held dear in your heart. And I think that's where the pain comes from because even a relationship that is unhealthy or toxic and sadly even sometimes abusive can still be hard to lose because sometimes
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You know, a lot of those relationships take up so much of our energy and time. And sometimes when we lose a relationship or a loved one and we lose access to them, we, you know, you have to fill it with, you know, there's the loss of the feelings that you have and the literal loss of all the time that you used to spend with them. Well, now what do you do?
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You know, the Sundays that used to go to the farmer's market in the movies, now it's like, I don't know what to do. And just filling that void, you know, can be very painful at first. But I learned that just because I was hurting over someone doesn't necessarily mean that they were the right fit for me. That, you know, that's what was good for my heart.
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And I had to then focus on accepting the loss and accepting that the relationship, while meaningful for a period of time, wasn't necessarily something that was right for me. Wow. So that would be one.
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I would probably tell myself to get over myself. Yeah, because most people out there probably can understand heartbreak, you know, and I think that was my ego, you know, when I was my first love, me and my buddy, my first girlfriend, we met her and her girlfriend at the same time, you know, very kind of serendipitously.
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And I remember having a thought with my first girlfriend, and I think a lot of young people have thoughts like this, where it's like, we're kind of the most in love couple. We're more in love than with that. Because it's that ego, wanting to be like, wanting your love. Everyone wants their love to feel and be special. And I think the intentions are pure, but it can kind of turn... a little toxic.
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And so, yeah, I would probably just tell myself to maybe, you know, get over myself a little bit and recognize that I'm not the only one who's ever experienced heartbreak. I'm not the only one who's ever been cheated on. You're not alone. You know, if you have been heartbroken, the good news is you're not alone. And unfortunately, infidelity is very commonplace in relationships now more than ever.
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That's a great question. I'd sit him down, probably, and first and foremost, I would remind him that sometimes feeling in love doesn't always mean that you are in love and that sometimes feelings can be misleading.
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And you don't have a reason to be shamed over it. It's not you, it's literally them. There's maybe some things you can learn from it. You can always learn from misfortune and challenges, but I would stop making myself more of a martyr than I need to be. Because again, I think the way I dealt with pain back then
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was to try that was my ego saying all right well if you can't have the relationship at least the pain we're feeling right now we'll find a way to make ourselves feel special about it so because you're hurting more than anyone else then you are that's you're you're willing to sacrifice and be sad for love and and somehow that made me feel i guess in a way special even though it also simultaneously made me feel very down and it kept me stuck
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And I think that's what a lot of people experience in breakups is they stay stuck much longer than they need to. They stay stuck in the past. Yeah. And it can be scary because it's like, again, some, you know, the longer the relationship, the more memories we have and the future can be, you know, the uncertainty is very scary. And, and so we don't want to face our fears.
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And so we'll hold onto the past. And like I said before, sometimes we'll hold onto the pain. because it's the last thing we have left. Yeah. Wow.
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I honestly think it was from Dr. Wayne Dwyer was what other people think of you is none of your business. Wow. And even in relationships sometimes, you know, always kind of worrying about, you know, it's kind of, that's their opinion. And that really honestly helped me with my relationships on reality TV and handling my relationships with fans and things like that.
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I always think of relationships more than just romantic ones. Because you got criticized a ton. A ton. And it really, it edits who you are. You know, the more you seek out the opinions of others about yourself, the more it changes you. You know, then you're not acting on what you think deep down you should do or, you know, because of what your character is and things like that.
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It's just like, well, you think this and you think that and... No, I hear you there. Yep. No, that's a fair point. And I guess, you know, I see what you're saying there. So like, all right, let me do a version of what I guess I think you're all saying. Wow. And, and I think that's kind of how you become someone that's doesn't feel like it's you.
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And, and so, yeah, those other opinions are just, it's, those are their opinions and that's their business and it's none of mine. And that's something I've constantly tried to remind myself of.
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You know, like you can feel that spark, you know, or seduction and things like that, and that you're pining over someone and that the intensity of that excitement all can be misconstrued into love and things like that. I'd also remind him that there's no benefit to being a love martyr. What do you mean by that?
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At any point did like, did it feel like Mickey was willing to listen or just like acknowledge that like he said something inappropriate, whether, you know, maybe it's a lot of the comments was like, he's like. An old, ignorant man.
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But it did seem like after Chris talked to him, it was like, is he ignorant or is he just doing things to egg people?
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Yeah. No, I mean, thank you for sharing that story. I'm always like, I, you know, when, obviously, you know, I love you as a friend and your family, but
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you know when people talk about you on the internet and you're out there and you're doing these shows and people have commentary like I'm always quick to like my first like defense of you is always like she's 21 like she's figuring out life I love that defense but like sometimes like and that's just such a broad high level statement but like
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why I was drawn to you in the first place, why we are even able to be friends at the stages in life that we're in, is that you have just an incredible maturity and you're grounded in ways that you would never expect Jojo Siwa to be grounded. And I just always appreciate the way you handle adversity in situations where...
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Listen, I'm the friend that, you know. No, I would. I'm the tough love friend.
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Did you know that Chris came from Love Island, UK?
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Was it the confrontation with Mickey and him standing up for you that first, like, drew you to him as someone that, like, hey, this is a person being a friend in this moment to me, and then you kind of leaned in?
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Were you aware of... of the conversations that people were having about you and Chris and the speculation. On the outside world. On the outside world.
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It wasn't just Katy Perry they were mad at. The whole production of it.
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You know what's kind of fascinating when you think about Katy Perry and what I've got to know about you, it's like we live in this weird time where you know, being an out of touch celebrity is like not, it's not cool. It's not cool. It's like, you know, there, there is a balance of people like genuine right now. Yeah. Genuine. Yeah.
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I mean, they always have to a certain degree, but like, yeah, it's just, it's just not the time to be so much now of everybody. Well, yeah. And just to like come and then to like,
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fake, you know, like, you know, I think because some celebrities are, you know, again, through no fault of their own, you have just been so privileged and so like put on a pedestal for so long, they don't even know how to be normal or how to relate or bring themselves down to a level of a fan, which is again, like one of my favorite things about you is it's like, I, you know, I knew who you were when I met you and I certainly knew like, you know, like,
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your Instagram followers. I knew you were a big deal. Go on. It's like, you know, you really are world famous and it's, but like, it's so just, but you don't, yeah, you're so just normal when I'm with you, you're really normal. Like, you know, it's weird when you're driving with your face on a car around, you know, that's not normal, but like the human, the human Jojo Siwa is,
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It's very... You know how to be relatable. Yeah, thank you. You know how to be JoJo.
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That keeps me... I don't know if a lot of people know that about you. I don't know. I don't know what the public perception of you is with your fans.
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We're so great. We're so, like, just excited to see you.
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Obviously, just, like, as our friend to, like, get back into the States. Thank you. And, like, I feel like we would get together anyways, but then here we are after you decided to blow up your brother and make it a worldwide international event.
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I was telling you before we started, I don't know why I was shocked because there's something about you. The spotlight finds you. It's like the internet finds you. They don't hold back on me. We know of Big Brother, Big Brother UK, Slipper UK. We know it well, but I've never seen people talk about it the way they've been talking about it this season. And it's all centered around you.
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And I obviously want you to be able to respect them and their wishes, but I'm just a little confused because they have been very outspoken in public, which they have a right to do. They're in a public relationship, but it's more like, you know, to your point, you know, there was a lot of people making a lot of assumptions and speculations about like your relationship with Chris.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
And we can get into your comments about like, I don't think I'm a lesbian anymore and things like that. But,
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But I mean, it's... You know, it's like it's not, you know, you can't go on a video and share your side of the story and speak your piece and then go, please don't keep your name out of my mouth. Keep my name out of your mouth. You know, it's like, OK.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
I don't know. Is it this? I don't know. It's one of those classic conversations. Are you happy in our relationship? Yeah. But it's just like, hey, I don't want to have this conversation right now. And then like, but I want to ask you some questions. And then they start having the conversation no one wants to have in this moment. And I was honest about that.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
And I mean, listen, don't like, obviously I get why anyone is sad to have a relationship and they don't want to end, but what was their biggest, I mean, I guess, you know, you, you go on big brother.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
I don't know what their expectations of big brother were or what they saw, but like, you know, you are very much in the public eye.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
Sure. But like you have certainly done a lot of things every day to be in the public eye. But obviously, you know, I didn't get to call you when you were there. Like you're isolated. It's very difficult. Like, you know, I get asked to do things all the time where it's like, hey, but you need to be away from your family. And I'm like, I can't. Sorry. Sorry. Not the time right now.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
So I get what are the challenges of anyone dating someone who's going away. But like we've talked about this when I met Natalie. Yeah. She was also younger, you know, and a lot of it was like, are we at the same stages of life? Like, do we want the same things? Like, is being together taking anything away from life?
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the things that she currently wants to do or her dreams or her, you know, and things like that. These are conversations we had to have. These are things I had to consider being in a position where I was older than her at the time. I'm always older than her, but I was older than her. And you know what I'm saying? And so what was their expectation about like what this experience would be for you?
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
And I get, well, you know, they probably watched it the whole time. But like, you know, a lot of the speculation around you and Chris was this like, again, just people like at no time am I watching you and Chris and wondering if you're seriously having a thing with this guy or, you know, like I know who you are. Yeah. You know, I, you know, it was all like the Internet's having a buzz.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
You know what I mean? Why do you think they came in with such a feeling of disconnect?
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
So were you presented with doubts about your actions in the house with Chris?
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
yeah why why why did kath show up and start pressing you for these answers following this like yeah experience i like you would think they would have a little bit more empathy for like you're literally coming out of this mind fuck yeah and you were asking for a like a little bit of time it's
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
Well, that's kind of my point. It's just like, it's not... It's not an accident. And there's an implication the way they led with it to suggest it again, like this thing that's not real. I mean, your friendship is real, but the romantic side of the speculation was just like, again, goes not only like not true, it goes against your identity.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
But it also, like, it paints this picture of, like, infidelity, kind of like, you know, that speculation of, like, again, paints you as a villain. Yeah. Paints you as, like, this, you know, and leaning into, like, an international narrative.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
Were people like shocked to even see you on the show? I remember you had been talking to me before. A year ago. Yeah.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
do you want to talk about your comments about not being a lesbian anymore? I mean, I think I understand the context, but like, I don't know what I said in the heat of the moment.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
My understanding is like, you just said, I'm paraphrasing, but like, you didn't feel like a lesbian fully encompassed, you know, your sexuality. Ah, Yeah. And then it honestly seemed motor spaced off the premise that at the time you were dating a non-binary person. So that kind of makes sense to say I'm queer, which is more inclusive.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
Yeah. And I was surprised to hear you talking about it, but like you were dead set on doing it from the beginning. It wasn't like something you wanted to do. You were very invested, very excited about it. Like what made you so interested in doing this in the first place?
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
silly and funny and stupid but at the same time to your point it is also your identity and you've been at the forefront you know as a huge public figure who's a part of the community you've obviously been a leader you've been a spokesperson you've been a voice and i'm sure it must be met with some frustration on your part to just like you know speak openly about your feelings about your sexuality and
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
How much, now that you're back, are you, you know, because prior to going on Big Brother and experiencing this normal JoJo, as you kind of referred to it, you've been out there just, you know, grinding, working hard, your music career, dropping music, going viral, and having the internet talk about you both positively and negatively, you know, and you just keep on plugging away. But, like,
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
Is there a world where like, I was actually talking to Tyler about this over the weekend. And like, there's a part of me that hopes that you get to a point in your life where you just like, you've accomplished all your dreams. You're, you know, you have more money than you know what to do with. I don't know your financial situation, but I think you're doing okay.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
And you just kind of pick it entirely differently. Life that truly is normal. Like, and I don't even like, listen, like who, who am I to say what that should be? I don't think my life is normal. You know, I feel very privileged and blessed to be able to do what I do, but like, there is like, we, we work hard on keeping us, you know, just having as much, like we do a lot of normal things and we,
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And we embrace that and we don't try to lose that. And so much of your life from such a young age has been the opposite of normal. And because of your value and because of the value you bring to so many people around you, I just don't see a lot of people letting you be normal. And do you think that's something that's going to be a challenge even if you want it for yourself?
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
You never would be, I mean, who knows? Like you said.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
I don't know what you'll be doing, but you're such a doer and you're so...
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
Yeah, and it's like you will never retire. It's just like it might be different.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
We were talking about this yesterday. Yeah. JoJo, on the show. And Silver is...
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
it's doable golden's definitely better well golden was the name of natalie's stepdad so there you go it's cute goldie golden it's cute you just can't name don't go so far is that you're just naming your kid things like ready eddie and teddy no that's a name those are names you know like you mean like influencers are kind of taking it to an x level and doing like you're saying silver like two maybe silver would just be the nickname
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
Silver's not bad. Silver's doable. Like it's borderline.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
I know you ever asked like at the reunion about the like, what did you say 48 hours later? Yeah. But like in that moment, like, was it really just about like you were tired of confessing things on camera?
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
What is your love life look like in your eyes in the near future?
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
I know. So new. It's like I was flying back and wouldn't you know it.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
Well, how, I mean, but you know, when I met you, we, you were, um, I don't know, I forgot who you're talking to or dating. You opened up to me a little bit about your dating life at the time. And like you were 20 and like you were kind of like, hey, I'm only 21. And I was kind of like, hey, you're only 21. So like just live your life, figure yourself out.
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I think single JoJo is like a good JoJo for the time being.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
Just what you don't do. And so many people have done this. And I have done this. And I have a large family, so it happens a lot. But like weddings, when you get invited plus one, bring a stranger. It doesn't matter. It's a plus one. You don't have to like.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
Don't bring them in the family photos. Like the family photos where everyone. No, my parents already said no matter who you're dating. People are like, I want my girlfriend. I want my boyfriend. And like, there's so many randoms in my family photos from people who are just like.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
you always can do the one at the end like all right now bring in everyone to make some people feel included but like they're not part of the the actual family photos like people make those mistakes all the time we're just like who the fuck is that in the photo like oh it was like yeah i was like girl i saw for a couple weeks sorry i thought we were gonna make it yeah
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
So music, to be clear, because I don't want people to think you're done with music or anything like that. No, no, no.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
I really want to go to Mexico city period and it would be cool to go see you there.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
What are some of the things your fans are just dying to know about you that you never want to share?
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
Well, okay. I have a question. Well, just for all the people who are listening to this and everything you're saying makes a ton of sense to me. And we all know the internet likes to run with the narrative and blow it out of proportion. But if there is anyone out there who is listening to this interview and just says, no, I saw with my own eyes. I saw what I saw. You guys have something special.
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There's like this connection. What do you want people to realize or know about? about this relationship with Chris and why it can be what it is in your mind and still be nothing more than platonic. Like there are, I think there is a lot of ignorance and like people who are confused about the conversations around sexual identity and
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things like that and then we put in these like like these barriers in our head of what we think that means or what that doesn't mean so like why do you feel like you could connect with Chris the way that you did you know there's the scenes where he's kind of caressing you on the back like why
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
Why can you do that? And it doesn't have to mean it's some sort of sexual thing or why it doesn't have to mean, you know, you're questioning your sexual identity because of this man, et cetera, et cetera.
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Well, thanks for coming on. I love who you are. I love you. I love who you are. And I'm proud of you.
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And I'm glad more and more people get to discover this version of JoJo. It's my favorite version of you. When you're working, you're out being JoJo Siwa in the loud kind of...
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
colorful person that you can be it's great but like yeah i love this version that people get to see more of and um i'm just uh you know proud of you thank you i appreciate that very very much love you very very much both of you yay thanks for listening guys we'll see you tomorrow bye bye
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
No, it makes a lot of sense hearing. I mean, I haven't done big brother, but I have done forces with you. And like, like you said, I mean, like there's a, there's a literal survival element to forces that like, the literal premise of the show is to like deplete everything, resources, food, strip you down and see what you can run on with like limited capacity.
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Where again, I haven't done Big Brother, but it does seem like the structure is really a lot more like.
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
It's brighter, isolated, but like, and so this time to reflect, you know, and just time to just sit, like there was no time to sit around and reflect. At all. With Forces, it was like literal survival. So very different in terms of I didn't like reflect on my life.
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Did you feel like I felt when they showed me carrying Tom Sandoval?
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First of all, what is your knowledge and history of Mickey work?
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Like when you pulled him in for like the train when he walked in. The conga line. Oh my God. Dear Lord.
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I'm just wondering if he's like a publicist or a manager.
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What do you think his, sorry for interrupting, but what do you think his knowledge of you was?
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E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
No, I know that, but that did not seem genuine. No. I saw that interview. Oh, no. Did you? Yeah.
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And is that because he's just like so in his own world?
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E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
Well, I guess just thanks for tuning in. I'm sure you got some glimpse based off the title about what this episode is going to be about.
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E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
I guess I don't know how it is for you, and I imagine it's still raw. I mean, that part helps a little bit, just because I'm definitely someone who is easy to second-guess myself.
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E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
harder for me now that we have river you know like when i first when we first found out that you were pregnant with river there's definitely like um you know being someone who always wanted to be a dad but had never been a dad we all uh we've we've we've joked plenty about my initial reaction um
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E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
But until you had, when I got back from Special Forces, I got my phone back and there was a message waiting for me from you that was River's heartbeat. And that was definitely the first moment I felt connected to River. And then throughout the pregnancy, you get more and more connected.
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E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
And I've talked about this, but now that River's with us and we've gotten to know her, I think about the moment I found out you were pregnant with River all the time. And I think about that moment where I heard River's first heartbeat. And I think about all the doctor visits we had with River.
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And so, like, every time I look at River, like, River's been, even for me, been in our life since the moment, like, I opened that drawer and saw the positive pregnancy test. So now, knowing what that's like, it made it this, that much more difficult, just because, like, you know, I remember where we were with River when we found out you were pregnant this time, and...
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E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
you know, and, and obviously we've talked about this, but, you know, a lot of you heard our end of the year episode where we talked about how great of a year we had and our excitement for this year. And, you know, a vast majority of that excitement was us knowing we, you know, Natalie was pregnant. Um, um, so yeah, it's just, it's, um, it's a shitty experience and
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E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
I don't know if you want to talk about what happened and how it all started and what that was like.
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E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
I'm Googling all this stuff and it definitely, I think I read something like 20 to 30% of pregnancies can have spot bleeding and things like that. So then we try not to worry.
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E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
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E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
How do you just, I, I, we had been talking to my mom and I remember, um, a miscarriage my mom had and my mom knew like Natalie was experiencing these symptoms and you know TMI but my mom said you know Natalie might want to when she goes to the bathroom
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E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
peeing a cup and i didn't at that point i didn't relay that message to natalie because i just wanted to stay positive um but i remember i was i don't know how old i was i was i don't know maybe middle school or something um but my mom experienced that same thing um and i don't know the details of what happened but
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E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
um she miscarried into a toilet um and was unable to retrieve anything for lack of better way of saying it um and so uh natalie obviously like she called for me and she at this point i'm just trying to you really don't know what to say or do, you know? So I didn't, I don't think I said anything other than I didn't think I just held you.
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E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
And then you mentioned, you looked at me and I remember you, you know, like, I don't know what I'm supposed to do. I don't want to flush the toilet. And then I think I just got you out. Well, you went into the shower. We went into the shower for a while. Me, you and River. and just left the toilet where it was. And...
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And then after we got out, when Natalie was in the living room, I went back into the bathroom and, um, yeah, I mean, I just stuck my hand in the toilet and, and was able, and I didn't know what, I didn't know. Cause you know, Natalie said she felt it and it was really just, again, TMI all, all you could see was blood. Um,
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E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
But I just, you know, I just remember, I mean, you know, I remember that it was very traumatic for me. I just remember it being a traumatic moment for my mom. And that's why she told me to bring her cup because she didn't want Natalie to potentially experience that feeling as well. But thankfully... And I was a bit surprised, but I was able to retrieve the baby and everything that came with it.
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E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
And it was definitely... That part was... I hope no one ever has to experience that at the same time. I hope that if you do experience a similar situation that, um, you do retrieve, um, the baby because, you know, we were able to set it aside, um, so that we couldn't, you know, mourn the loss and, um,
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and we want to you know bury our baby in a place that um we can always connect with um so i i don't know what we would have done if i wasn't able to retrieve it or i was we were forced to flush the toilet without getting the baby out um Yeah, I mean, as traumatic as it was, I hope the moms never have to do that themselves. And I hope that all the dads out there are willing to do that.
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Because I'm very grateful. I mean, we could have... this could have happened on the flight home. You know, we, it, we landed in LA and it happened later that night. Um, yeah, it could have, it could have happened, you know, yeah, when we weren't home. Um, so thankfully we were, but, um, and that was, that was very surreal.
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E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
I think on the other side, obviously this is still very raw for us and more specifically her. We either started thinking about you know, my friends and people I know who have experienced something similar and when they told me and, and again, like, you know, a lot, many times it was like a text, I'm so sorry, you know, or even in person, I'm so sorry.
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But, um, and not that, you know, again, this is not, not to make anyone who's been in that position that I'm describing and feel like they didn't empathize well enough. Um, But I just started sobbing probably because I was a little out of it.
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But like all the emotions kind of... It's a challenge trying to be there for you and also just trying to make sure that we don't lose ourself and our sadness, but also allow us to...
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feel these feelings um you know and you know we are grateful for our doctor who who mentioned you know if that's something we want to try for again you know there's i learned the word rainbow baby and am i right by a rainbow baby or the babies you have like right after a miscarriage yeah I didn't know that phrase existed.
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Our doctor was telling us that she, as sad as this moment is, that something that she feels very grateful to be able to do in her profession is to help women deliver what she referred to as rainbow babies. Yeah, it's, you know, my least, if you guys listen, my least favorite phrase in the world is everything happens for a reason.
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In moments like these, it's, you know, because I'm definitely someone, it's just like we make choices and we have to live with our choices. But this is not one... this is this experience has nothing to do with a choice that we made other than the decision of growing our family so it's it's definitely been a mind fuck for me to have to lean into the um accept that things happened this way um
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But I am still excited about our future, and I'm still excited about this year. I think we went into this year with these really exciting expectations, and we're only a couple weeks in, but it certainly has not started off the way we hoped.
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Yeah. And obviously with the fires, we've been incredibly lucky compared to so many other people, but yeah, it's just, it's been a, it hasn't been the magical time that we went into this year expecting. Um,
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but as I try to tell Natalie, you know, that balance between allowing yourself to feel, but again, not make a terrible situation worse by allowing yourself to heal and move forward is definitely a tough balance to strike. And I can't imagine what I'm, you know, what I'm feeling. And then, you know, Natalie is like, is that, you know, this miscarrying is not,
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um it's not just like a from what i understand or i'm learning is not like a one day or a moment it's sadly it it takes time for um the body to go through that um and you know It comes with a lot of emotions, but I am still excited about what can come and we'll see where we're at.
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in life you know at the end of this year and i think as sad as this period is you know um we'll see what good can come from it because i am i am hopeful that will still be the case and you know obviously now i still very much want to grow our family um and when that happens that will be very much based on you know natalie and her body and and what she's able to do both emotionally and physically
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That's okay. You will, like you said. Not to try to compare it to anything. I think more than anything, and kind of like you just said, we talk about this all the time. Dealing with tragedy is knowing that you can get through things. Especially for those people who deal with death, that's very definitive. For us, it's a very...
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complicated feeling because obviously we lost um this baby and not nally was you know as nally described feeling connected to that baby from that moment um is not something a father gets to feel um that moment of being able to retrieve the baby was it was traumatic and yet i'm very grateful i was able to do that because that
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Um, because we, you know, we've gotten through things we will, you know, and yeah, that's just, I guess what I'm trying to say is the silver lining of just knowing you can get through stuff, even though you're not through it yet is a much better feeling than, um, wondering if you'll ever get through something. Um, so I am great. I'm grateful for that. And, um,
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E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
um i am grateful that you know we have our river and we've been very blessed so far in so many ways with her health and your health and and like you said you know we were very lucky to have a very seamless pregnancy more. I mean, you were, um, and we'll see what happens in the future.
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E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
Um, but yeah, I, I guess maybe to sum things up, I think our hope for this is to more than anything for the women out there who have experienced something similar. And obviously we're in the middle of this and it feels very personal, but it really feels like, um, It's not something that really gets acknowledged all that much. And having a front row seat to how alone Natalie feels.
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E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
I think we just hope that for those who have experienced it, we're with you. We know what you're feeling. Yeah. If this is not something that's... I guess I hate that I have to say this, but certainly we welcome any support you want to send our way. We don't welcome any criticisms. And if this is not something that you were interested in hearing about, that's okay.
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E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
We're not interested in that feedback. But yeah, I feel lucky to do what we do here and... We want the show 99% of the time to be a place that people can come to and escape the shit that's out there in the world and all the craziness and have this be a place of fun and optimism and learn a little bit maybe about relationships for our ethnic audience and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
But we do feel grateful to be able to connect with our audience and and knowing who so much of our audience is and and so many moms out there and and um potential moms we felt like it was worth sharing it's also like nothing on social media is real you know it's like i feel like this is the epitome of like you don't know what people are going through behind the scenes and it's like you know
The Viall Files
E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
I mean, that's the thing, though. It's just... We're trying to be, you know, not to sound cliche, real, raw, whatever. Some people deal with this stuff differently. Some people do deal with humor. You know, some people do...
The Viall Files
E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
And I don't think we're doing this for any type of, you know, I think, yeah, it's just.
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E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
what used to be the garage door password to my parents' old house was 1215. And that was because that was going to be the birthday of that baby that my mom miscarried. So it's been, I don't know how many years, 30 years, 30 plus years, and I still know that that baby's birthday was supposed to be 1215. So we won't.
The Viall Files
E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
I'm sure this will be a weird transition to tomorrow when you're listening, because we recorded this much earlier than that, by the way.
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E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
I mean, I'm dealing with everything, but I'm not dealing with you.
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E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
This will only bring us closer. This is us being a family. And this is not a fun part of it.
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E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
uh what we're about to play obviously is very personal and very raw and and very descriptive um and so you know just a heads up there you know uh in case you know whoever you're listening to this with or maybe it's not your cup of tea um but uh we just wanted to give you a heads up uh that the content going forward is um very detailed and very personal
The Viall Files
E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
This is definitely going to be a different episode. We've never done anything with just Natalie and I in the room. But since this is a show that I think more and more we've made into a family show, and it's become a place for us to...
The Viall Files
E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
you know open up and share a little bit about our life when we feel comfortable doing that and it's also a little bit of therapy for us and every once in a while when we deal with something traumatic or personal um you know we will sometimes talk about whether we should or shouldn't share it. But, you know, this was a situation that obviously really impacted us, still impacts us.
The Viall Files
E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
And it's also a topic that I think depending on, who you are and whether you've experienced it i think everyone knows someone who has experienced it you know it's um it certainly um changes or affects your perspective once it happens to you like obviously most things but yeah yeah i don't feel like
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E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
it can be so hard for this special guy in your life especially when shopping for that guy on valentine's day so why not gift him the gift he'll really appreciate a wardrobe upgrade you know it's something he won't normally do for himself and honestly let's be let's be real here this is really a gift for you because aren't we tired of like having your man just like walk out in public and some of the just unfortunate stuff he's been putting on his body
The Viall Files
E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
Obviously, Natalie has a very unique perspective since she was the one hearing the baby. And as a father, I think it's a little different. But I think... like I said earlier, I think we all know someone or many people who have experienced a miscarriage. And I think it's really, and I think if you've ever heard someone you care about, you mentioned that they've had a miscarriage,
The Viall Files
E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
I think the vast majority of people know to at least, you know, obviously, you know, express their condolences, show their empathy for the sad experience that these people are having. But at least for me, it always felt like there was a bit of a disconnect between what I was trying to empathize to and the sadness I felt from the people sharing that they had this experience.
The Viall Files
E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
Because obviously, depending on when you miscarriage and things like that, yeah, I mean... especially for everyone involved, except for the mother, even as a father, you know, connecting with your unborn child is, it's a process. And I think, especially, I think Natalie's desire and correct me if I'm wrong to share with this is just to express what it feels like, especially for all mothers,
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E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
all the women out there and all the moms and all the women who desire to be a mom, especially those who have had a challenge conceiving. It really felt like it may be just because we're going through it right now. It just, for me, it really is. You know, there's various stages in my life. I think every experience you have until you experience something, it's harder to empathize.
The Viall Files
E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
And once you can, you sometimes feel a bit of guilt for not empathizing the way you feel like you should have now that it's happened to you. Yeah. So I think maybe that's just kind of our hope for this episode is to just, you know, hopefully allow people like Natalie to feel seen that have gone through this experience because it's incredibly traumatic for even the dads, but especially the moms.
The Viall Files
E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
Yeah. You, you really feel alone because, um, there's always like this, you know, I'm sorry for your loss and, um, But like, hey, what do you want to do this weekend? You know, like it's, there's a, there's definitely a disconnect.
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E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
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E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
And I assume this is common for most women who experience what you're experiencing. And I've heard it, my mom experienced it a few times. And that, yeah, the guilt that I think
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E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
And, uh, I work out on them all the time and they really don't cause they don't like, I don't know. I don't know what the technology is, but they really stink less than, uh, most t-shirts. So if the guy in your life is a little sweaty, a little stinky, you got to check out their anti odor tees or their machine washable sweaters.
The Viall Files
E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
um, women who miscarriage put on themselves, um, and the responsibility of, um, and it just breaks my heart because obviously I assume, you know, that's not really the case, but I understand why it's hard, you know, not to do that. Even myself. I mean, you know, there were fires in LA talk air quality, you know, like, what if we, should we have left town, you know, um, stuff like that.
The Viall Files
E875 Going Deeper - Our Miscarriage Story
It's, you know, and that's just me, you know, getting in my head about, is there anything I could have done differently or we could have done differently? Um, so I can't even imagine what you're going through and, but say, you know, we're lucky to have doctors who, you know, I guess from a scientific standpoint, you know, explain, um, This is sadly common.
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E941 – Going Deeper with Jen and Zac Affleck
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E941 – Going Deeper with Jen and Zac Affleck
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E941 – Going Deeper with Jen and Zac Affleck
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Thank God you're done.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
There's nothing worse than a guy, you know, for a guy when it's like, you get that look. Yeah. You're just like, are you ready? Are you done? You done there? Okay.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
And the guy's like, are you okay?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I mean, you know, we're all human, you know.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Anyway, congratulations again to Grant and Juliana.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Yeah. I picked up a long time ago. I was like, all right, it's time. Yeah, you're almost done. She wants this to end.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
yeah you start saying the craziest shit and then because he's like down for anything in that moment and then you have that post nut clarity and he's like yeah oh yeah i didn't mean any of that seriously though you can see it in his face so weird the next 20 minutes he's always like checking in it's like how are
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Great. Excellent. Letia, we finally watched Letia's, well, we watched. Victoria was watching two brothers jerk each other off.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
What's wrong? I love you. What's wrong? What's wrong? What's wrong?
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
So you finally watched. I did. I didn't love it.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I don't know, like Mike White. Mike's watching too much porn, clearly.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Or does that mean they were naked on drugs when they got dressed? I think that was just like.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I mean, it was already kind of fucked up enough.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
one of the three girlfriends because that's all first world problems so far you don't want to be one of them no that's the best situation oh the best situation because their problems are all like first world problems so far yeah that we know of also i know this is like not this is a hot take controversial take i'm team jacklyn i like her like if she was there for her friend she's like you know hey you should you should hook up with the hottie hook up with the honey hook up the honey she couldn't close it
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Oh, Jacqueline's married? Yeah. That's like a boyfriend situation.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Oh, well, I forgot. Yeah, I forgot about that. Okay.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I forgot about that. I forgot about that. Yeah, so that's fucked up. I'm wrong. Let's pretend that Jacqueline's character is not in a relationship.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Yeah, that was gross. But yeah, so what do we think of Letia's, what do we call it? Her case that she pleaded.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Because that happens, like, with friends. It happens with guys, too. It happens with girls. You go on vacation, like, and you meet a group of people. And then all the single people, it's a little bit of, like, let's all be friendly, but it's also a little competitive. It's a little dancing, you know?
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Maybe Lori could never close. And Jacqueline was like... She's not a closer. Not a closer.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
It's like, you know, if it's like a sports matter for, you know, you're always passing the ball to your teammate because it's like, all right, they need some points. So you keep trying to give them the assist. Well, how many times before they brick it are you going to be like, you know what? I'm just going to go ahead and take this shot because...
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Shooters gotta shoot.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
She's the independent.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of Reality Recap, a special edition of Reality Recap, because it's Wednesday.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
So do you think her character was being honest about not realizing how triggering it was going to be? Or do you think she likes the drama and she was pretending?
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I'm going to say in your single days. I'm not sure how wifed up you are.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
After this weekend. But I'm sure you've been out with the girlfriends before. Mm-hmm. Have you ever felt like you've had friends try to compete with you that it was like, why are we- Listen, no, no, listen.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Here's a question. Here's a question. When someone says, I'm going to bring the receipts, does that require you bringing anything physically tangible or can it just be your, is your truth a receipt?
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
sure yeah and the guy's like no no was hoping for you yeah and then what if you know i actually had this situation happen to me recently with a friend and she got so upset with me and it's just so stupid i can't even talk about it but um in guy's world and like i was i would always have like friends there's always a couple friends who you know maybe struggled to close at times yeah
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
And if we'd go out and there'd be a group of girls, whatever, they would go like, dibs. You know what I'm saying? We'd meet a group of people. And like, before we even knew like names.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Yeah. And I'd be like, okay, we'll see. Yeah, we'll see if green shirt's yours, sweetheart, by the end of tonight. And then they would get mad when green shirt and I were like vibing. And I'm like, in what world was I supposed to just sit around and watch you strike out? Exactly. Well.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
She's imaginary.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Who are the guys you're upset like to Victoria more than you? Strangers.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Sure it was.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Like gaslighting? Yeah.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Because it was a slow, gradual process of you getting more and more pregnant. It was like, you look great.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
When we went to Toronto and we did Alex's live show and we posted that video and it went like, got like 10 million views. You looked stunning there.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
You came out like this baddie with a baby. Yeah. It was like people were quite taken with it.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Those paparazzi photos, they're never flattering for any of us. Well, no one can accuse you of staging those photos.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Well, they can, but actually they probably will still accuse you. Yeah, they will. I have had plenty of really ugly paparazzi photos and people are like, oh, stage.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Looked so grumpy or pissed, like you want to kill someone?
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I'm bringing the receipts, you gaslighting narcissist. And then she'll be like, yeah, you told me you liked me the most.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Isn't she like met with Heather or she just watched some Heather?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I was at a party last week. I was at an Armani.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I went to an Armani.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I went to an Armani. Armani? There we go. Anyways, I saw Leslie Bibb there. She was very lovely.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
No. I was like, love the show.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
He's like, I have no idea. She looked very kind to the people she was talking to. She was smiling a lot. Justin came as my plus one.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I don't like bothering people. Oh, good, good.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
No, but he was willing.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I'm like, I'm not good at this.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
She gave me her number and it must have been a fake number because she never responded.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
It was an iMessage.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Yeah, and I guess Leslie was saying something about apologizing but not really saying you're sorry. I don't know. What was the exact quote?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
From my memory. So as long as you hold out your hand and read your truth from the palm of your hand, you're like, and then you said I was the one.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Heather's very good at that. Exactly. I'm sorry.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
It's like she's apologizing for the person she's apologizing to.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Boy, those decisions seven years ago, you probably would have done something differently if you knew it would lead you to this moment, right? Sorry.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Heather's out of touchness love.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I want more of that in my housewives. I don't need relatable.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Yeah.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Well, before we get to both men talking shit about Justin's girl Sutton, just a quick reminder. We do have Natalie from Love Island later this episode to dish on some of the tea following the finale of said show, which will be very helpful for us if we ever get a chance to talk to the rest of the cast. But it's a nice little setup, I think, from Natalie. So that is later this episode.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
So exciting stuff. Basim Insane accuses Sutton of being mean. And she says she's not the person she anticipated.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Or at least she heard, you know, she just assumed she would be nicer or heard she was nice. Or maybe she was listening to this podcast and heard Justin being like, oh my God, I met her in person. She was just like loving and amazing. And then she got to meet her.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
No. Well, Yvonne Bozeman, like, who, from everything we know about her, is very self-made, very independently successful, Netflix executive, entrepreneur, like, independently wealthy. Yeah. Like, has dealt with her own trauma, her own tragedy. Certainly Sutton has as well. We've heard her talk about her father and things like that.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Which I really think pissed off Latia.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
But if you're Boseman and you're looking at Sutton, it might be a little harder to respect Sutton. Sutton's money comes from her husband. And it's just like when Boseman chooses not to throw her money in other people's faces. And I would be a little more critical of something. Because it's like, you don't need to act this way. I don't act this way. Why are you acting this way?
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In a way that maybe can come across as a bit mean and entitled and privileged.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Because I felt like Grant said, as Grant has all season long, very kind, very thoughtful, very empathetic man. Came out, knew he was going to take some punches. At any moment, he looked like he could cry. I wasn't sure if that was a performance, if that was real. He came out very, just very...
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I think she cares.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Sure, but as soon as you go Sutton, you know that one, and she freaks out and then like she loses her fucking mind as soon as like someone's like, hey, but that one time you were kind of mean.
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She does not act unbothered.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
In the moment, I guess. She does care if people correct her.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Yeah. Yes. She's like, well, wait, I'm sorry. I'm just being honest. Right. Yeah.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
And then on the third day and then the group date. And then like every day you said, I was it. You said you liked me the most.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Yeah.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
talk to me have you ever uh like brought the receipts uh or or spoke your truth to someone and that their response was honestly like as thoughtful and as kind as empathetic as possible and it kind of pissed you off because you you kind of wanted to get into it with them yeah for sure yeah i felt like that's what would happen last night it's like whenever i remember when i was like a teenager growing up and my mom would get mad at me for something and i would just say okay
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Thank you.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Thank you.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
yeah yeah okay right damn it yeah damn it fight with me that was grand he's like I'm no I'm I'm really sorry I definitely hurt you and I'm I'm so sorry and you're the best and I'm the worst and you are so wonderful and I'm absolutely and I'm an idiot and I'm an idiot and I'm you are and I and I have to And she was like, well, let me just repeat exactly what I repeated before.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Thank you.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Oh, yeah, I'm sorry. Welcome back to another episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. It did seem a little off. It did. It wasn't right. Yeah. Welcome back, Victoria. Thank you for having me. First of all, Victoria wants us to make a public service announcement. Obviously, we are back in our little pop-up studio. A food truck.
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Cause I'm still really pissed. And honestly, like, and like, you know, you always can kind of tell where the crowd's going because like, you know, do they boo, do they cheer? Like they brought out Latia. She spoke her truth. Then they brought out Grant and he got quite a warm welcome.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
An unhoused woman wandered in and we were the only... I just want to understand why is that different and more specifically better? Is it because it's new?
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Stigma?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
It's just like... So what happens when five years from now we've all been saying unhoused, unhoused, all these unhoused people... They won't have to change it. They won't have to change it because we've just
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
By all means, I'd love, yeah.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Are they going to go, so what about the charity? Is it going to be unhoused? What about the homeless not toothless? What are you going to do?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Unhoused, no teeth.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I don't like it.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Is that the one your mom was crying over? Yeah.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
If it was 1980, when you got married.
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Yeah. And applause.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
And then I said, blame me.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
All right, well, coming up next, Natalie from Temptation Island joins us, and she serves up some tea and some burning questions that I think will serve us well in the future. And then after Natalie, we'll come back, and I do need to talk about my favorite online obsession, the, what's his name, Ashton? Ashton? Ashton? I don't know.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
He's the ASMR daily routine guy, and now there's all these viral videos of all these daily routines. I am curious about what your morning routine is. because it is nice.
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Even though the entire internet is kind of like, it's like everyone's laughing at this guy and he's just more like embracing it. And you know, like it is kind of fascinating because his whole like shtick is just like a lifestyle like this. Yeah. And now people are picking it apart and questioning how real this lifestyle is.
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But then when you think about it, he's just, all he is, is he's an online creator. And it's just like, he's doing the thing he wants, which is getting people to notice and talk about it and watch it over and over, whether they like it, make fun of it, not make fun of it.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I feel for Letia in the sense because, you know, I've been there twice in her position. And it's just like you, listen, like your truth or whatever happens to you feels so intense. It happened to her. You know, she did get let on, clearly. Her emotions were fucked with by a lot of people, not just Grant. But the entire Bachelor Nation, the audience, everyone, like,
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
But I was thinking more about it.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
But he's unbothered because people also copy Jesus. And Jesus didn't let it bother him.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
That's what he said.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Did he? ASMR style?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Did he also wake up at 3 a.m.? And then my question is, I was thinking about it. If you're waking up at 3 a.m., are you really an early riser at that point? Or did you just decide to work third shift? Well, when we come back, we'll discuss it. Here's Natalie.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Natalie, welcome to the Vile Files.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
We are excited as well. Thank you for taking the time. How have you been?
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Yeah, and a wild experience you had, for sure.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Yeah. Well, where do you want to start? I feel like there's a lot of burning questions. There's been a lot of TikTok lives going on with the cast. You did not leave Temptation Island with Grant. But it seems like the relationship didn't end, though, when Temptation Island ended. It's like, can you fill us in post show about like what went down?
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this is the show, you know, it's kind of like we, we lack a little, like, it's like in the real world, it's like, you know, don't do that. The empathy is not there, but in, in bachelor world, it's like, babe, you know, Hey, you're like, and that's life. And you're going to want to move on quickly.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
And then, you know, maybe we'll go back to when you were on an island of like maybe like shower scenes and things like that. We'll maybe figure out what happened afterwards. Well, you know, I think the people, we're just here, Natalie, to give the people what they need and want and fill in gaps for things that maybe we don't get to see.
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So, you know, that's all we are, you know, at your comfort level, of course. But can you let us know where we're at in terms of what happened between you and Grant Post's show and, yeah, all that drama that ensued?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
How much of Ashley's decision to leave with Danny do you think played a role in Grant's decision to stay with you along with Tyler and Kaye?
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That's what you were told. That's what you were told.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
What was he filming?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
And then temptation Island two already in Maryland.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
When you say trying to be genuine, that sounds like a really nice way of saying I don't think Grant can be genuine. Or is that an unfair statement?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
yet that's a great question I don't know I haven't spoken to him in like eight months okay so so then after this Maryland trip was that pretty much it or did you guys try to did you try to make it like try to date or try to make it work or try whatever try anything so Nick the Maryland trip was the start okay
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Well, she wasn't asked, and it wasn't like, and what is she going to say? She's going to say, here's what she's going to, I promise you, there's going to be some version of, it's obviously a very difficult situation for everyone. I love Letia. She's amazing and blah, blah, blah. And obviously, Grant, I don't condone what he did, but obviously, he is a great man, and he obviously didn't mean it.
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And why? Everything you're saying is basically you liked the idea of how Grant presented himself and there was a lot you liked and clearly you guys had good chemistry. But everything you're saying implies that at the end of the day, he wasn't who he said he was. Or you sounded very excited to date a version of Grant that he wanted you to believe that he was. That's what I'm hearing from you.
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Is that accurate?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
What specifically happened that made you, were you the one who said, fuck this, like, Amal, this isn't the way I expected it? Or like, how did things end so quickly?
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Okay, man.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Did he say, I cheated on you with Ashley? Or he's like, hey, I'm hooked up with my ex or sorry. Like, what did that conversation like? Because I'm honestly a bit shocked that he, you know...
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Was it just a kiss or that you don't know?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Was watching anything back surprising to you?
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And it's just a very difficult situation.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
All right, asked and answered. Here we go. Thank you, Jenna. They did announce Bachelor in Paradise once again. Why did you write Justice for Zoe, Leia? Like, what do you mean?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
i think it was just she was like talking shit about him to one of the guys like it wasn't she was talking a lot of shit early on she was definitely like but their boundary wasn't hey don't talk shit about me their boundary was don't touch anyone yeah so do you feel like the first bonfire and grant's frustration with ashley led to him you and him kind of like making the next step because like prior to the first bonfire gray and i weren't even really like
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
So what did happen in the shower?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
So like you guys hooked up like.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Did you come up with that on your own or?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Yeah. If we had the opportunity to talk to Grant and Ashley at the same time, what would you want us to ask them or what would you like any clarification on? Not necessarily you, you know, because it sounds like you got all the answers you need, but in terms of making sure that America fully understands the truth, what would you want us to ask Grant and or Ashley?
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She was the end of the season. She got, well, I mean.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Okay. Yeah. Good question.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Okay. All right.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
There you go. There was a moment when Grant tried to make you jealous, right? Early on the season, it was like right after the shower scene. And I was really proud of you because it was like, you were like, I'm not that girl. Fuck that. Blah, blah, blah. And I was like, oh, okay. Like, she knows what's up. And then, but like, you know, like 30 minutes later, you're like, ah, Grant. What...
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Is that a moment you, I know you're full sad and hashtag no regrets and everything, but is that a moment where you look back and think, especially when Grant was talking about his relationship with Ashley, talking about how toxic it was, didn't that make sense to think, oh, well, maybe he's at least a big part of why this relationship is toxic because here you two are hitting off and the first thing he wants to do is make you jealous by having another girl take a shot off of him
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Yeah, but Zoe the human, she was wonderful. It was 11 p.m. Basically, she was still there because Grant forgot to send her home, basically. It was like, oh, Zoe, you're still here.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
And like, I guess your instincts were great, right? Like your reaction seemed like on point. But why do you feel like in that moment you didn't trust your instincts?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
do that again and i felt like because he reacted well it was fine i guess okay that makes sense i mean like i think the the fact that you were on a tv show and you were still there to make tv kind of makes sense
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
When you found out he even brought a guitar to Temptation Island, was that not a red flag?
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And then where are you now in your love life? Are you out there still maybe going back on Temptation Island next season? Are you in love? Where are you at?
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Be careful what you say. They might call you.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I feel like this is unfair to say, but I can't help but not be surprised that a girl from Arizona and a man from Florida was a little messy and a little toxic. Does that make sense to you? Or are you offended by that statement?
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All right. Well, I'm glad we're on the same page. Natalie, thank you so much for taking the time. It was fun watching you. Thanks for the great television and appreciate your honesty.
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What was she going to talk about?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Likewise. Our pleasure. Have a great rest of your day.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Natalie.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I wanted my name to be Elijah. Oh.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
How did it feel not to get a one-on-one, Zoe?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I hated mine. I'm perfect the way God made me.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I, well, back to my favorite online obsession. Yeah. ASMR. ASMR. Morning routine. Daily routine. Despite, I'm not believing he needs to like work out with his Beamer or I don't even know if it's a Beamer or Mercedes or whatever, but, or, and I don't think I'll ever be wiping banana peels on my face post-banana. You don't even like bananas. Yeah, he hates bananas.
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Although, every morning I give River a banana so I could, I could use hers.
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I don't know. Good question. Justin, can we find out what a banana peels on your face would do? Is it like enzymes? He does. He does tape his mouth shut at night and put like a nose strip. And I want to get back to doing that. I did that once and gave my wife the ick.
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I used masking tape.
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I use scotch tape. I use scotch tape. It was a little stripped up and down. Oh. Yeah, it was.
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It's supposed to be really good. Mouth, breathers, and sadly, I'm one of them.
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They are combining, right? Is that what they're doing? Combining?
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Well, I've been worse. I've gotten better.
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I got one of those jaw things, too. Also gave my wife the ick.
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It's like exercise the jaw. It's like this gummy thing.
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Listen, things, you know, we have a lot of equipment here, but like not everything came. So our lighting is, you know, not where it's going to end up being. Right.
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Yeah, you kind of... Oh, is it in the front of your mouth? It's like exercise.
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It strengthens your jaw.
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It gives you a better jawline. Also, it's supposed to help with your breathing. It's supposed to help with your whole...
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okay i get that so no plastic surgery we just need to chew on you just yeah he's got well if the option surgery or like chewing on something for a couple weeks wouldn't you go no that's what i mean so that's why you're doing it i haven't done it yet oh but watching his video i was like i need to get back i was just saying i was influenced i was i'm just saying despite all the things he showed me that i was like this is stupid and ridiculous and i don't need to go yard bag while i go work out
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No, I mean, I totally want that back. But I wouldn't take that go-yard back to the track or the gym.
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I also wouldn't hand it to my friend and then have him take it to the car for me.
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But I don't want to mouth breathe anymore. Do you have any morning routines that might be unique to you that you think could better the world?
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What time are, yeah, let's go see that morning routine.
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Yeah, I was really inspired by it.
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I think it's, well.
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So what, your day starts at one?
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And that's 1.30 p.m. and I'm finally ready.
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Can we walk through it? It's really quiet. It's aspirational.
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is a little too early.
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What time are we at?
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Yeah.
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Okay. Are you lying down again? What do you mean?
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Back in bed?
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Listen, life's going great for you and you look great. And apparently when you go to the bars, you make my wife look ugly. So it's honestly working.
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Oh, I'm sorry.
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That's fair.
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And then... Have you been watching his videos?
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Because he also wakes up early, meditates, prays, journals.
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It's a looks thing. I always say when it comes to age gaps, looks matter.
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You don't answer your phone. I do not. A lot of people want your life. Let's just keep it real.
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Does your therapist guilt you into therapy sometimes?
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I really think Thursday is really good for all of us. I'm like, I guess we have to go to therapy this week.
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And then we'll show up and I'm like, things have been, yeah, we're like, you know, busy, but good, you know?
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He's like, I'm seeing something here between the two of you. Yeah, what's going on here?
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And then Nick will be like. Now that you're telling me to do it, I don't want to do it. So, like, this feels forced.
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Do you like that? Is this good enough? Do you like this?
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I'll be honest with you. Which we've learned that like if we are going into couples therapy feeling pretty good about us, now we just
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Thank you.
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You fucked me on the lighting. You guys are gross.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you very much.
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I think it's a look thing.
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How much more is a 70-year-old going to take advantage than a 40-year-old?
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Yeah.
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And so Victoria came in really pissed off at me.
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You lost a viewer. You don't want to hear she's aged so gracefully?
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At what age are you just going to give up?
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No matter how you look?
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Well, speaking of giving up, Garcelle has announced her exit from Beverly Hills Housewives. Really? Yeah.
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And she's coming on Bachelor in Paradise.
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She found out that she can get her hands on some fresh meat.
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She also does have like a lot of other work going on.
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Well, she, you know, it's like, yeah, she wants to spend more time with her family and her one son is in school. The other one's starting some career. She just wants to be present. I like that. I love that.
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Nick said, glow up. Next time you come back to this particular place, if there is a next time. Oh, my God. He's like, Ed, I will be the judge of that. Well, no, no, no. I'm just saying like, we'll just see if we're still here. Right, right. Because we are in Miami. On wheels. I promise you better lighting, you know, than you will like glow up, so to speak.
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I would be.
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You know what happened? His wife sent him a photo of the passport he forgot. On the kitchen counter. And kind of like, do you need this? Right? I mean, how else midair? That's exactly what happened.
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Do you think it was the pilot or co-pilot?
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Why can't he just not get into the country? Would they have flown back for anyone else who forgot their passport? No.
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I mean, I get he's the pilot, but who gives a fuck?
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Sierra, you're a movie buff. You saw it.
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I'm curious your opinion, because obviously, as everything else in this world, everything's been politicized, everything takes a side. But politics aside, when it comes to this movie, what did you think of this movie?
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Why did it suck?
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What's wrong with... They didn't have... I don't... They didn't want to pick the old songs?
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Does Gals sing? I didn't.
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No? Okay.
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Okay.
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Harsh.
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So you clapped and it was over because it was done.
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Yes. Please don't judge Victoria's face.
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Have you ever wanted to clap after sex because it was so bad, Victoria?
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Well, I'm just like, you know, the idea of like something being done and you clap and everyone's like, oh, we'll clap. And then you're like, well, it's because it's done.
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That's a great answer. Yeah. Like to be able to read that aloud. Yeah. Especially given all the things that you've done. Like definitely it wasn't an answer I was expecting. It was a cool moment.
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I completely relate to that as a dyslexic person.
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Yeah, there's like no rules maybe in an airport. Except there's a lot of rules.
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And time does matter because you do want to make your flight. But I suppose it is like you walk into an airport, you're kind of on vacation.
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So, how have you been? Like, obviously, crazy world these days. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Is everything safe, fire-wise?
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How have your family been able to heal over the years? Or if, I'm assuming they have.
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Well, I know it's obviously not easy to share, but thank you for opening up about that.
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And, you know, I was just curious too, obviously we're very excited to just be sitting here with you and talking with you and having you open up with us, but like, you're also not someone who does this a lot and gives a lot of interviews. And, you know, I was just kind of curious, like why now in terms of kind of your willingness to share a little bit more about yourself and open up.
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And we are very appreciative of that and excited to keep talking to you. But I think it's not lost with a lot of your fans, just how much you cherish your privacy and are reluctant to open up and share things like that.
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And she like flat out said it. It was your fault.
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We're releasing an episode by the time this comes out, and we're a little nervous about it. Natalie had a miscarriage a couple weeks. Oh my God. Yeah. But just hearing you speak, it's like it's... Yeah, it was tough, but like we didn't know what to do is like we wanted to share our experience. We do this for a living.
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And it was kind of like therapeutic for us just to, you know, we're just going to talk about it. And, you know, we decided to put it out there.
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knowing that like you know our intention obviously was one we wanted to memorialize our child and like you know hearing you talk about your dad like you don't want to forget you know and like when you don't have a chance to to meet your baby it's harder to connect you know as a dad and it's even harder and so you know and obviously we you know we we've heard a lot of stories about it and then so we wanted to share knowing that like a lot of people
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you know, it's like they feel very alone when it happens because no one really, you know, everyone's like, sorry, it happened. But like, Oh, anyways, like, you know, it's like an awkward thing. It's like, they don't really relate to it, but you know, we know I'm offline, you know, because like, I don't really give a shit what people say and I've gotten much better.
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And like, when I'm curious, I wanted to ask you is because you're right. Like the internet, it's an asshole. People are assholes, hurt people, hurt people. You've heard that phrase and that's just never going to go away. All we can do is,
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As humans or people or just anyone in the public eye or just hell, anyone who's like has a phone, you know, is like get better at just like removing yourself and not listening to the noise and the disruption and just feeling good about like whatever it is you put out. And I'm curious, like, have you gotten better at that? Just like.
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feeling good about whatever it is you're putting out there as a creator as an artist and and just say you know fuck it like your opinions whoever you are just it's none of my goddamn business because like you know they're always going to be assholes yeah yeah well on the creative side
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That's great. I mean, that's the best you can do.
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No, but obviously we love talking about relationships and love. And, you know, shit, I've got so many... exes and stories and things like that. But like, you know, it all came to like me being able to meet my wife, you know, all the, all the crazy, you know, heartbreaks and stories. And some of it has been on TV and some of it's not, but you know, you're very happily engaged now.
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Nice. Do you know all your Rising and all that other stuff?
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And like, how do you feel like what you have with your fiance? How has that shaped you? And what do you love best about your relationship with him?
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I love that you say that. I mean, now that I say that to each other all the time, you know, it's and I think clearly it's, I think what I've learned from my wife and,
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in my audience that safety is probably the number one thing women are looking for it's also i think something men really appreciate too that they don't talk about too it's just like you know when you i mean what is a serious relationship or a marriage you know an engagement if not to like have someone in your life that you can actually truly be yourself and be safe and be that vulnerable person
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And I think, yeah, when I was younger, like I would have been in love and I had great girlfriends, but like, I was like, I don't know, you know, it's like, you know, at times I felt loved, but like, I also felt like we competed, you know, I felt like we were at each other's throats, you know, I felt judged, you know, or I felt like ashamed to say something or do something.
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And yeah, it's, it's, it's nice to be able to find someone where, you know, you can open up and you can make each other feel safe. And like you said, it's, it's not something that comes very easily and that's something that, Happens over time.
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And it doesn't mean you don't have ups and downs and work through your own shit, but like there's a, I think with Natalie and I, you know, I'm curious if this is something that you relate to, but like, I feel like we both like give a shit about our relationship. We wake up every day and I feel her effort to make us work as much as I feel like I'm putting in the effort.
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And I think that's a very unique feeling in a relationship that a lot of people just kind of take for granted. When you're younger, it was just more like, oh my God, we're made for each other. And you meet and the first month's awesome. And you plan out your next 10 years of your life. And then you just start dating and hating each other.
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But like, yeah, we're very, you know, like when we feel a disconnect, like we're very quick to like someone points that out, you know, and that's something that I've never had in a relationship.
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He's like, I know everyone boobs. I get it. I understand. I'm not trying to pretend that doesn't happen, but we don't have to embrace it. Like some people really don't.
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It's like, you know, but you don't need to announce it. You don't need to know.
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Yeah, I like that. You're like, that's my speed, Bella.
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Listen, I think that's true. Yeah, I got a UTI. He's so. You know, like when you're a kid, you know, it's like, oh, go pee in the woods or something. It's not a big deal. Like no kid is like taking a shit.
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I mean, you are camping. You're going to get dirty.
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As soon as you got that look, mom just rushed you in to the modeling gig. What was your first, I mean, what was your first early memory of modeling? Like, were you doing it all the way through as a young child?
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That's ritual.com slash V-I-A-L-L for 25% off. On this show, my audience is fascinated with alternative relationships. Is this a rumor? Is it true? Were you and Tana in a throuple, or was that just a rumor? No.
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It just sounds like a guy who's in like two different situationships with two girls and you all like are chill about it.
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Are you thinking big wedding, small wedding, a lope? Like you think you're going to go fairly big?
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We can talk about movies we watched when we were growing up. It'll be great.
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I made her watch Far and Away the other day with Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman. I thought she'd like it. You haven't seen it? It was awful. I'm shocked you didn't like it.
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Oh, Meet Joe Black. I love that movie. She hates it.
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Like, other than movies, are you guys, do you watch any reality TV? Oh, yeah.
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Where do you stand on Lisa Barlow? Are you a Lisa girl or are you like a bra-win Whitney girl?
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It's like what I love and hate about Housewives of the same time is like so many of the biggest fights can just be handled exactly how you describe which is like not my best moment. I definitely didn't mean it that way.
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And like, instead, it's like every fucking other excuse in the book. Like, well, a blogger fucking told me that you did this. And like, I would, you know. But it would be boring if they were like, I'm sorry.
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And when she gets upset, it's shaking. When Meredith loses her mind, it's the best because it's like she might pop. It's absolutely... And I love Mary.
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Angie Kay. Love Angie Kay. She's iconic. I'm obsessed with Mary.
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I will be very sad if she has a lesser role next season. Oh, yeah.
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I think Mary's... So real. I think Whitney's real. I think Angie Kay's real. And I think sometimes Lisa, like great TV. I would very much miss her if for some reason she left, but like, I would love her to be more.
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It's so good. You're one of many people who have told us that.
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You're one of many people who have said we need to start watching Potomac.
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Okay. We have a long list of shows we're watching. We have so many shows. We have every intention of getting it.
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Because like Temptation Island season one was like when I was in college and it's the same host.
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And they brought him, and they brought him, yeah, Mark, what's his name?
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Why hasn't it, like, yeah, we haven't, it hasn't gotten, what's it on, CW?
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You just need to come back and recap with us sometimes.
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I was told there's a story about three rings or three engagement rings. Is that my?
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No, seriously. I know because you were honestly back. I'm a bit older. So like when I was a kid, you didn't know about dyslexia or talk about dyslexia. And honestly, like if you found out you were dyslexic, you weren't you weren't telling people like that was something you definitely would have gotten picked on. And I wasn't until I was adult where I was like, why can I not read out loud very well?
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Uh, what, uh, what do you think's next for you and Mark and your future? And like, I guess, what are your, it sounds so like a interview question, like you're interviewing for a job, but like, you know, how do you, how do you see life unfolding for you in the next kind of chapter of your life?
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I can never figure it out because I was just like, I'm not stupid. So what age did you get diagnosed? Like in my 30s.
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I mean I started this show long before yeah I met and when I met her she was a surgical technician and I never envisioned like being able to work with her but like now that we are it's like it really is like it's awesome right you know it's like you feel like very lucky you feel more like a team and like you know like you said knock on wood but like we hopefully do a good job or of not getting sick of each other even though we spend all our time together but like
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Yeah, it really helps you feel more connected and to like, just, you know, she's always the first person I go to if I want to run something by an idea by her and just to know it's like her.
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It's like, it's just a great feeling and not, I think very few couples are, even very few happy couples and successful couples aren't able to be able to work with their partner like you and Mark and like I get to do with Natalie. And so I feel very lucky and I can hear it when you describe that with relationship with Mark. It's a very cool thing.
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yeah wow was it like somewhat ah yeah it was I didn't like it didn't really change anything I didn't like start I didn't take any dyslexic courses courses to help me like read better aloud honestly like I don't know if they have those I don't know if they do because like I would love because like a teleprompter is like a nightmare for me I'm like I'm like slow down please oh my god
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And then like, you just, you know, you both have your strengths and not necessarily weaknesses, but you play off, play off each other. Just even, you know, Natalie being on the show, like even in this interview, it's just like, this interview is different because I have my wife here with us and like, you know,
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when we talk about like, we have a lot of women guests and we talk about some sensitive issues. I always try my best to empathize, but like, it's a lot easier having my wife here who is also a woman and they can understand. And it's like, you know, just like just moments like that.
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It really makes you appreciate when you have someone who really, you really, that really feels like a partnership at that point, you know? And I'm sure there's been moments with you and Mark where like, you know, he stepped up where you felt like you needed someone to step up for you and vice versa. And those are always really great, great moments.
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Also, like Nellie said, it's like these transformative years in anyone's life. There's very few people who can relate to certain experiences. Exactly what you went through. Yeah, 100%. So it's nice to be able to at least keep that bond. Yeah, we'll always have that bond. Even if it is here and there. Yeah. Bella, this has been...
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Is there anything you wanted to put out, promote, share?
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But it does it like I felt a little seen not to sound corny, but it was just like I'm a big believer in like I don't like to like lean into my weaknesses, so to speak. But I think it's just nice to know what they are. So at least I just like be like, oh, like I don't have to make excuses for anything. I'm just dyslexic now. So it's just it's I don't lead with it. But like, yeah, like.
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Thanks for being so vulnerable and open and honest. Thank you for letting me.
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Well, thank you again. And thank you guys for listening. I hope you enjoy this episode. We'll see you back tomorrow.
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you could say on things so i was like oh that must be the tourists well i don't even honestly don't even know what they all are i always hear about the gemini's i know libras yeah i love gemini's my favorite sign what when is that um gemini is in may uh yeah we're ready i mean i still can we keep talking about horoscopes i'm kind of fascinated by uh bella welcome to the vilefowl
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Now I know why I have no idea how many vowels are in a word or why I have a hard time reading a teleprompter. No one else makes it look so easy and it looks so hard for me.
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It's actually, and also one of my favorite, after I found out, then people were telling me all the very talented, very successful people who are dyslexic. So many.
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No, it's like we were at like a kid's store and I like I bought her for me. I mean, I'll read it to her someday. But I'm like, you know, tell her about dad. Yeah. So you were I mean, many people are. Natalie has some horrific bullying stories.
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Every once in a while, Natalie will get like a DM from someone from like back home. And now you'd be like, yep. Heard from another bully, you know? Cause now that like Natalie's out here and. Yeah.
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Did you ever hear from any of your high school bullies who decided to forget that they were assholes to you and just remind you, like, oh, we used to go to school and be best friends?
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Yeah, it's one of my favorite things when Natalie reads me these messages.
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Love that. If you need to pop it off, we've got a whole bar. No one ever drinks it.
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It's good to get out, you know? I always love the, like, again, like it's always feels good to like rise above the shit that happens to you. And, and, um, yeah, like sometimes we'll just run into people when we go back home to her house and, you know, the different people who react to Natalie, it's like, especially when they're like, Oh, you made it or whatever. It's like, um,
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you know it sucks to hear but like like stories when she was picked on but you can definitely like when we run into some people like like one girl when it was in Thanksgiving you ran into a girl and she's like oh you really made it and the girl she was with was someone who like bullied you or didn't like and like she kept going and like I don't know it's
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I'm always proud of you when I see people like think like you made it out here or whatever. It's always fun.
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We do a lot of morning interviews, but you know.
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We did have someone come in and like rip shots at like 10 a.m. once.
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I definitely have a hard time enjoying any successes I've had with things I've done. I try to work on that. I mean, you've obviously had a very successful career. You've done a lot of amazing things despite having that feeling. Is there one thing that you've done that you are really proud of or that you're most proud of of all the cool things that you've accomplished?
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There's going to be some friction in order to reconnect.
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Well, Brody, welcome to the Volifiles, man. Thank you. Thank you very much for having me.
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It's awesome. I appreciate that. Thank you, man. Thank you.
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Aber sobald das passiert, weißt du, dass es in deinem Kopf ist.
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Warum hatten Sie keine Meinung?
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Wegen dessen, was er wusste.
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Ich meine, es ist wie, wiederum, meine Schwester ist ein holistischer Nutritionist und sie ist in all das. Aber sie ist in der Schule und hat studiert. Und wenn ich ihr eine Frage frage, kann sie einen Punkt der Sicht artikulieren und nicht nur anders sein.
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for our entertainment, you know, reality stars in general. Nelly and I have been asked various times if we would be interested in... Would you? No, absolutely fucking not. Because, yeah, because I think it takes a lot to open up yourself, your life, you know, your family, for us to judge and pick apart and critique and question.
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So he's fighting with my... Imagine playing doctor at a hospital.
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Hilfte er dir mit den Pumpen? Eigentlich, ja. Nein, ich habe mich gebrüht.
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Für Jessie war es wichtig? Ja.
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Es war wichtig für uns, aber ich bin nur interessiert, wie opinioniert er war, was du tun sollst.
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So I am just kind of fascinated, just like what position were you in? What was your state of mind? How were you approached by this whole experience? And what made you say yes in the first place? I'd love to start there.
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I keep going back to like, here's what fascinates me about your ex-husbands. Ich habe ihn noch nie in Person getroffen. Ich hoffe, dass ich die Möglichkeit habe, ihn auf diesem Tisch zu haben. Mal sehen, ob er dafür ist.
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Ich bin mir sicher, dass er das tun wird. Ich freue mich auf diese Möglichkeit. Ich glaube, er hat mich noch nie getroffen. Er kommt als ein Typ, der tief auf das, was die Leute von ihm denken, kümmert. Und trotzdem kommt er auf der TV und ist ein absoluter Arschloch.
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Ich weiß, wie es ist, auf der TV zu gehen, nicht zu wissen, wie es ist, und nicht zu wollen, dass du der Villen bist, weißt du, und zu werden, dass du ein Villen bist.
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Und dann haben Sie einen Editing-Raum, fokussieren Sie sich einfach nur auf irgendwelche dummen Ansichten, die Sie machen, oder irgendwelche sarkastischen Bemerkungen, die Sie machen, und haben Sie sie verpackt in eine Persona, die Sie nicht mal versuchen, zu spielen. Aber der Vorteil von verschiedenen Saisonen und rekurrenden Saisonen ist einerseits, Everyone loves a comeback, an arc.
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And, you know, we had Tom Schwartz here the other day and he tells us that we're gonna see a softer side of Jesse. And maybe we will, but I hate him so much as a character on a show. And he comes across as so unlikable. Even for the guy who... Das ist das, was ich nicht verstehe. Er sieht nicht so aus, als wäre er ein Idiot, für den meisten Teil.
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Er ist also witzig, er kümmert sich tief über, was die Leute denken. Er hat den Vorteil, sich auf Saison 1 zu sehen. Wie ist er, wenn er so ein Prick ist?
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Was machte ihn dazu, diese Unterwäsche zu kaufen?
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Was ist die Unterschiede?
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Just get skims, man.
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So was he in his night comfy underwear when he got caught on camera?
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Also denkst du, wir haben nur falsche Tränen von Jesse gesehen?
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Glaubst du, es ist mehr so, wie du sprichst, du weißt, es ist wie, ich versuche herauszufinden, ob er immer nur ein schlechter Typ war, ein schlechter Partner oder mit schlechten Erwartungen darüber, ob er ein guter Partner, ein guter Mann oder ein guter... Oder fühlst du dich, als hätte er sich verändert?
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Was war das? Du bist normalerweise nicht, wenn du das denkst.
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Meine Eltern sagten das einmal über meine zweite Freundin. Und ich dachte mir, wie könnte das sein? Aber ich denke, manchmal sind wir nicht so akzeptabel daran.
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Do you think he has any idea?
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Glaubst du, dass er dich von der Unverdächtigkeit verurteilt hat, ist in seinem Binder, so zu sprechen, und Teil seines Plans?
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Yeah, no, he's meeting his life coach or therapist and making it a part of the conversation and suggesting that you were cheating on him for two years and sleeping around.
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What kind of money problems does he have?
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Yeah, that's wild. Do you feel like looking back because it's, you know, were you friends with Brittany and Jax through Jesse? Like were Jesse and Jax first?
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I mean, the gay man is sending him money.
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Were you just kind of being petty there?
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His lies are based off these tiny truths that he then snowballs into something more nefarious and that makes you look worse.
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And so is it like his money problems are just from like overspending or...
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Yeah, we had Tom here and he was like, oh, Jesse might not be like great, but he's an amazing father and he loves his daughter. I get frustrated sometimes when I hear stuff like that, because it's like I think sometimes, especially dads, it's like.
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They just decide that they're good dads because their version of love, I don't know, I'm sure Jesse thinks he loves his daughter, but like how you show up for your family to me is a demonstration of whether you're a good father or not.
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I don't know how you move past that. I still haven't.
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He seems like, watching it, his sole purpose is to torture you. He seems like an emotional terrorist.
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Ich meine, eine Teil der Leute, die es sehen, und die Leute haben viele Opinionen, und wir haben auch. Und einfach offensichtlich, einfach zu hören, deine Seite der Geschichte. Und jetzt haben sie beide eine Menge Empathie für dich, weil es wirklich, ich meine, er tut, er scheint sich einiges von diesem
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ist durch seine Arbeit und er scheint ehrlich gesagt wie eine emotional verletzte Person zu sein. Ich weiß nicht, wie man das beschreiben soll.
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Ich weiß nicht, wie man, ich weiß nicht, wie man, wenn das nicht emotional verletzt ist, um zu strategisieren, wie man versucht, emotional zu verletzen, deine Frau oder deine Ex-Frau, und dann vielleicht die, vielleicht die Verletzungsprobleme und die Spendenprobleme sind ein Grund dafür, aber ich weiß nicht, wie er aussieht.
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What made Jesse reconnect with Jax?
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Why was she reaching out to you?
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I guess in general.
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Do you feel like Jesse knew more than you?
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Let's just be honest. I always tell you, ladies, if your man does not have the designated ball clippers, he's losing your stuff. He just is. I'm just going to be real. You know, the thing that you use on your legs, you know, on your body, on your armpits, he's using it on his balls if he doesn't have something for his own.
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Einiges wurde aus deiner Sitzung an der Reunion gemacht. Hast du any thoughts on that? And then a follow up to that is like, what do you think your future with this show is? And like, do you think it's something you want to be a part of?
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Ja, die Fans scheinen ein großes Problem damit zu machen. Es gibt viel Spekulationen darüber. wie diese Dinge gemacht werden. Aber ja, danke, dass du das klar gemacht hast. Es scheint einfach so zu sein. Ja, also, jeder hat sich gegeneinander verletzt. Gut zu wissen. Willst du Teil davon sein? Weißt du, dass es eine Sache ist, ein Co-Verein zu sein, aber wählen zu sein Teil dieses Shows.
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Denke nicht, Jesse wird nirgendwo gehen, ohne dass er gefeuert wird.
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Es scheint, als wäre ein Teil der positiven Richtung, wie du es vorhin erwähnt hast, deine Fähigkeit, ihm nicht mehr zu erlauben, dich zu treffen. Es macht Sinn. Du bist lange mit jemandem verheiratet, du hast es okay mit ihm. Gut, du wählst endlich zu gehen. Aber ich muss zu dieser Person antworten. Wir haben ein Kind zusammen.
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Das Vergnügen, dieser Person zu erlauben, so viel von deiner Energie aufzunehmen,
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Tom mentioned that we might see a softer side of Jesse in Season 2. And regardless of what we see, I'm curious, based off our conversation today, I'm assuming you don't think we should believe any of it.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Wow, Michelle, ich freue mich, dass du da bist. Es tut mir leid, dass du das durchgehst. Ich meine, ich glaube, warum würdest du uns ein bisschen Hinweise geben? Es gibt viele Leute da draußen, die, ich bin mir sicher, traurig sind, was du durchgegangen bist. Und es klingt so, als hättest du einige schwierige Lektionen gelernt.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Aber ob es irgendwelche Mütter oder sogar Mannschaften da draußen gibt, die dich zuhören und dich mit dem, was du durchgehst, verbinden, was sind die Dinge, die du wünschst, dass du anders tun würdest, um dir einige der mentale Angst, die du durchgegangen bist, zu verspüren?
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Du weißt, weil ihr so verheiratet wart, fühlst du dich, als hättest du sogar die Möglichkeit, Nein zu dieser Gelegenheit?
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
That makes sense. And so what conversations, if any, easygoing or not, so you acknowledge that this is a time when already your marriage had its cracks. And did you guys as a couple sit down with any type of conversations about like, Nia und Dark Danny sind ein Thema der Konversation. Und wir haben darüber gesprochen, dass Britney frustriert ist, weil sie nicht öffnet. Und ich verstehe das.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Britney ist wie eine alte Realität-TV-Star, die sagt, das ist, was wir tun. Wir zeigen, wir sind verletzt. Und wir könnten argumentieren, ob Nia und Danny nicht für Realität-TV gemeint sind. Aber es gibt etwas zu sagen über ein Paar, das ihre Beziehung zuerst priorisiert, das auf der gleichen Seite zuerst kommt.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Michelle, willkommen zu The Vow Files. Danke. Bist du nervös, aufgeregt? Wie fühlst du dich?
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Und ich konnte das nicht kontrollieren oder ihn kontrollieren.
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But he wouldn't deny spending the money. Like if he were here on the couch and I was like, hey, what do you have to say to this? What do you think he would say?
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Das ist mein Ziel heute. Ich will alles wissen. Ich will fühlen, als wenn wir fertig sprechen, dass ich... Dass du auch mit Jesse verheiratet bist. Ja. Okay. Ja, I want everyone listening to get the full experience.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Das ist verrückt. Glaubst du, er war gespannt, ein Vater zu werden?
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Sag mehr. Was meinst du damit? Ich meine, ich glaube, ich verstehe, was du sagst, aber ich würde gerne, dass du es erläutern kannst.
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Was für Drogen machte er?
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Er würde es wahrscheinlich negieren, aber... Was denkst du, dass sein Vater Jesse bedeutet hat?
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But after today. But I mean, I do want, I guess, to start how we often start with these is someone who's been on reality TV. I'm a fan of it. I'm fascinated by it. I know I'm probably more than the average person about how the sausage is made and what it takes. I think lately I've also been trying to communicate to my audience the importance of appreciating what you all do
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Was war seine Verantwortung als Vater?
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Er hat nicht geschützt.
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Ja. Ja, warum denkst du das?
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E844 Going Deeper with Bronwyn Newport
Live TV, yeah. We have some moms who are like, I'm trying to listen to this in the car with my kids. Can we slow down on the F-bombs? And we're like, yeah, we're so fucking sorry. I mean, sorry.
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So they really have bonded almost from the jump. Yeah. And how old was Gwen when Todd came into her life?
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Does Lisa know you're on this podcast? Did you give her a heads up? Yeah, did you get permission? Did you get permission?
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We might talk shit. That's fine. But that is the thing. We do not know Lisa. We've never met Lisa. Okay. So all we know about her is what the show edits her to be. So we always say we reserve the right to be wrong about these people. We're talking about characters on TV shows. Yeah, of course. You know, so...
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Rihanna is quaking. That's how Rihanna and I became friends. Yeah.
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I mean, speaking of dog shit, did you know there was dog shit in your house?
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Do you, would you pick that up yourself or do you have some? Yes. I pick it up myself. Thank you. I was like, Bronwyn is the type that she would pick that up herself. She's not waiting.
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If there is a dog poop or pee in my house, I can tell you which one it is. Do you have a more naughty dog? Yeah. The puppy, I'm sure, right? The puppy is not my naughtiest.
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And they're like brothers. They're like, they do together. Yeah.
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for my dog and of course when we had two they had to be frank and claire and then just spiraled out of control since then yeah dog seven eight nine ten maybe we'll do succession who from succession is gonna let me down now you know hopefully not but you're given enough time they always do we're kind of jumping all around here but i do want to go back and i want to yes i just want to obviously the father of your daughter passed away yes you found out via facebook
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It just came up in my timeline as I was scrolling. What was that initial feeling?
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I'm putting myself on your podcast. I'm going to be honest with you.
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And especially someone who just gave up on you and the baby.
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It feels like an impossible conversation to have with Gwen. When did you tell her and how did you tell her?
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So watching some of the episodes back, you kind of... Are you rethinking some of your behavior or words that you said to these people?
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Yeah, it's kind of. Do you have that? I was about to say.
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I'm good for you. You don't have to be the bad guy. No, 100%. He makes situations awkward where he's like, yeah, we're not doing this. And he'll walk away or he'll. He definitely is good at drawing boundaries where I'm like, oh, sure, I'll tell you. Everything about me, if that's what you want.
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So with this being out on national television, have they, has there been another conversation? There's been, yeah, there's been conversation.
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You did have the meeting off. We did it off privately. You did it privately.
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Yeah. It's a happy coupling. So... Was there like a jealousy there? Was it like Heather not wanting you from either side?
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I mean, Todd did say that her tequila brand is mediocre. Todd did say that.
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Hello, obviously. Yeah. $5 million diamond necklace.
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And what are you going to do with them? I know.
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How is he choosing his coffee cup each morning? Is he like, today I'll just... Sometimes he's real fussy about it.
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Did y'all answer the favorite sexual position question? Of course we did. Y'all did? Yeah, it was all of them.
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If you had to give one word to explain each woman. Oh. Let's start with Whitney.
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Angie's all fun all the time. She seems like such a fun character.
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It did feel a little hypocritical to me to have Angie get so upset when Lisa brings up Electra and how like you hang up the phone to be with Electra and then for Meredith to say you're talking about my son Brooks and how I'm using him at that dinner table and for Angie to not be like, okay, you're right. Like we're not bringing up children. It did feel a little.
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How did that feel for you sitting right there?
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But it could have been anyone. Could have been. It could be Meredith.
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I mean, it would be weird for them to continue to run this account with us knowing everyone that is behind it.
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I take it you haven't had a lot of strangers comment on you or your life before. How has that been kind of opening that door?
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I always seem so angry. No, you're funny. You're funny. But yeah, the commentary is wild.
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Have you tried this Van Leeuwen? How do you say the ice cream that just came out with a Salt Lake City flavor for Real Housewives?
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Let's do it. Who would have thought? Yeah. It looks really good. It's like salt, lavender, and caramel.
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You were like, oh, it's painful. Oh, it's the most painful thing. Anytime someone repeats the question back to you. Oh, stall for time, girl.
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What is the best gift Todd has given you? Minus this $5 million necklace. Oh, stop.
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You open up, obviously, about Gwen and her and her father and his family and all of that. I feel like we're kind of getting a little bit more into that. Yeah. As the episodes go on. But if you wouldn't mind, I would like to pull a little bit more out of you. Of course. Yeah, of course.
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You're not in charge of what's edited and what's put into these shows. So, you know, I guess we don't know as audience how much you do say and how much makes it into the final cut.
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Love that. Okay. So you, was this your boyfriend in college?
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So, wow. So you found out you're pregnant and you found out that your boyfriend was not your boyfriend.
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So you open up and you kind of say like him and his family were very much like, this is not something we want to do. Yeah. Your family was on board or not on board?
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I do appreciate that in a way of like being able to separate the two and not putting all of that blame on this unborn child. Yes.
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I mean, it's hard enough to get out of bed right after you have a baby. So to even get up and go to work is...
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E903 Going Deeper with Barbie Ferreira
Sometimes it was like a coworker who like, there was a bit of a disconnect where I felt like I could just like unload my, you know, emotions on this. And they were just like, you know, they'd love to hear it. It'd be great. And then I would like exhaust them and that would find someone else to like also, you know, but there was no...
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There's no progress. There's no like you just kind of start. You forget. And I think sometimes even with therapy, if you don't have a good therapist, you can become connected to talking about the pain that you're experiencing with or like that becomes familiar, especially like heartbreak.
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You know, I always tell people just be careful because like sometimes missing them and and wishing you're with them is that last thing.
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part of the relationship you have to let go because like and you know when you really think it's over that's the scary part so you hold on to the pain because that's the thing that you have left and like sometimes a therapist who maybe isn't as good as they could be or you're not connecting with can you know keep you in that keep you in that and because there's so many different kinds of therapy and i've tried a lot of different ones and you know it's like some things are just a
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Through therapy, like what is something that you've kind of learned about yourself for the better? You know, where, you know, we've talked about obviously that maybe the challenges of therapy, but what's something maybe that when you've kind of discovered the whole idea of your inner child?
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I mean, I learned that the first time I, you know, I started in therapy when I was in COVID and it was more like I advocate for therapy. I'm doing okay. But like, you know.
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sitting at home might as well you know I felt like generally pretty good it wasn't like you know life is dark you know and then the first first session it was like how many brothers and sisters do you have tell me about your parents all this and just kind of just and I had a generally great childhood but like just understanding the premise yeah
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of that, you know, and why we do what we do, why we maybe sit in our emotions, why we act a certain way, you know, and then as you get older, you do like, as I get older at least, it's like that, what's that commercial, you grow up to be your parents and things like that, where it's just like, every once in a while I'll have this like feeling where I'm like, when did I become my dad?
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And then you learned about that and then you became more self-aware about like your triggers and like how your parents reacted to you and you're like, oh, holy shit, you know? And so what did you learn about yourself through kind of diving into therapy?
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What was that? And sometimes there's a disconnect. And I've had to learn as I've gotten older the difference between... I think sometimes we're afraid to empathize with people we don't understand or we're in conflict with because we feel like empathizing with them is justifying their actions. Yeah.
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Nowadays with me, I feel like my phone just decides to go on Do Not Disturb. Yeah. And then you just assume it's always on Do Not Disturb. And then you don't.
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But sometimes you can learn how to empathize, not to justify, explain, or let them off the hook, but at least just understand where they're coming from.
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Yeah. So much about this movie is like kind of that almost like a second storyline almost or theme maybe is a better word for it is like the found family, you know? Yeah. And, you know, sadly for people who don't have a healthy relationship with, you know, their parents or...
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relatives, obviously a lot of people in the LGBTQ community, like we'll have to, you know, feel like maybe their family isn't it for them. And what's that like for you? Do you have like a found family in LA and who are those people that you've really connected with and made like a new community with?
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Yeah, but that stick around part is the important part because, you know, the thing about family, you know, I have 10 siblings.
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The opposite. And I joke, I mean, getting a dog taught me something. And that is the difference between unconditional love and unconditional like.
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You know, where I was like, oh, I don't, my parents, they don't unconditionally like me, you know, like they unconditionally love me.
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Right. Like my dogs, everything I do is awesome to them. And my parents, it's just like, sometimes you're an asshole kind of thing. Right. And that's the nice thing about family is that you can just know, even though there's a disconnect or maybe your guys are
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bumping personalities that for a lot of people not always because obviously sometimes like with Lily's character it's it's very dark but you just you feel that sense of like I have a community I have people and with friendships I think sometimes people struggle with because especially like LA is a perfect example a lot of transplants a lot of people trying to make friends people will start hanging out they'll connect they'll have fun and
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I used to wake up to a sound tone of Tommy Boy with Chris Farley. Okay. When David Spade was knocking on the door. Oh my God.
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But then as you guys get to know each other, you see some of the cracks in each other. People make bad decisions. People make mistakes. And then sometimes instead of sticking around, there's more of a like, I don't want anything to do with this.
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loyal person but the truth is is like a lot of people just aren't you know what i'm saying a lot of people aren't like they're loyal to the degree that like as long as they their needs are served in a relationship they're good to go but when things get tough when someone's down bad and maybe they're down bad because of their own choices and mistakes you know but like the friends who may stick around have a tough conversation maybe maybe it's like you know you kind of
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Right, you know? So, but, like, that stick around part is always really important. And I... Yeah, it's just, like, I've... People love to call themselves loyal and... We gotta put them to the loyalty test.
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That was my alarm sound. And it was like just a really weird looking back. Everything that you have as an alarm sound becomes like a horrible memory where you're just like, ah, you know, but like back in the day when it came out, you're like, oh my God, like this is so cool. I know.
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Yeah, 100% major really to get outside say hi put them, you know Get out of their comfort zone interact with people, you know people I was like, how do I meet new people?
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shows that kind of like that balance between, again, like the climate that we're in today, right? Like the awareness of therapy. And again, there's that balance between understanding your childhood, understanding your trauma, understanding what happened and how that relates to you, but still being able to think outside of
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your needs right because a lot of therapy is very reflective right a lot of a lot of you know today's understanding you know the generational trauma and yada yada which i think can be great and very beneficial but like the the risk sometime is allowing that person almost to become a little selfish and self-centered and like only focusing on what has happened to them and why they've been wronged and why they've been victimized by the people around them
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And that can be both true and valid. But we have to remind ourselves that there's a whole world going on around us. You know, there's other people, our friends and strangers. Like that moment in the movie where Bob's talking to his wife and he's pointing out like Lily is this like you know, she's in the void screaming. She's screaming out of the void.
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No, it is sad. And he talks about how like, you know, she's getting no engagement and likes. And I think a lot of people in today's age would look at that and go, ew, weird. What's wrong with her? What's wrong with her?
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I was a psychopath that had the default setting on my screensaver until my wife.
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I mean, there's moments in that movie where Lily is kind of like giving a little crazy, you know?
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Now it's my family. Okay, cool. That's usually what it's for. Yeah.
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Yeah, all men kind of are a little psychopathy without a lady by their side. I agree. Just a little rough around the edges.
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We're so excited to be with you. Absolutely love the movie. Bob Trevino likes it. Thank you. It's awesome. I mean, it was, I cried several times. I did. Mostly like happy tears. Obviously, it's an emotional film.
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you know try it out and i mean it's it worked thank god yeah and it is taking off and it is i had no other plan so i was really like it's either this or uh i don't know cashier at the new jersey shop right when euphoria really like took off and things exploded was that what was that like you know just kind of to go from more of a normal life of you know working actor to
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Yeah. Like, ooh, hindsight is 20-20. Not a good idea.
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You know, there's movies now and then that you watch that kind of really make you especially in the times that we live in today, just like sometimes through sadness, you know, but like I think we're just living in this world where we're just constantly focused on ourselves and what we need and in our own world. And it's easy to think about how life gets us down.
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It really was that. Exactly that, right? And it really, like... And that's the thing. It's just, like, to your point, what's cool about shows like that or films or movies that, you know, kind of encapsulate an era, if you will, is that they do stand the test of time.
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You know, we'll go back and watch old 80s movies or 90s movies or, like, I grew up, you know, when Can't Hardly Wait came out when I was in high school. And, like, those... especially at least for the people who grew up with them, they always hold a special place in your heart. Right.
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And so like euphoria for a lot of people, but especially people who connected with that era, it will live on in ways that I think other shows or films don't. And that's a, that's incredible. I mean, I,
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And I think, you know, Bob Trevino likes it about, you know, Lily and the character who, you know, really had no one. And then this bond between these characters makes you appreciate... It reminds you that you sometimes have to look up a little bit and see maybe people in need and things like that. One thing Natalie really helped me with when we met is I could be on my phone in my own world.
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either being somewhat douchey, weird, or coming across like your, you know, there's always like, are you hiding something or are you showing, there's just no way. It's a trap. It's an absolute trap. It's an absolute trap. So it's just like.
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But to your point, are they choosing it because it represents them or are they choosing it because it's like, well, I would like to play something different today. I know.
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You had decided to leave Euphoria and talked about how you just felt like Kat, the character, her story was told. Yeah.
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You don't see a lot of that from actors, obviously, regardless of the success of the show, you know, and then sometimes as fans, we will watch shows where, you know, the whole jumping the shark, you know, idea or like, you know, sometimes like for me, it's just like Dexter ended after season four, you know, it's like we just.
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But for you to decide, regardless of what is going to happen with Euphoria, for you to decide that must have been a difficult choice. And how did you make that decision and how have you felt about it since then?
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Was there anything in particular that that you read that felt the most kind of offensive or egregious?
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Well, you know, you know. Yeah, sometimes I'm like, oh, wow. Yeah, well, you know, you give them a hundred guesses sometimes.
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Just like Natalie... would always say hi to a cashier greeter or a barista and things like that, you know?
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You know, I think sometimes fans, I always remind myself that fan is short for fanatic, you know, not that I don't, you want to appreciate fans, but you also, and that's why it's important for at least, you know, Natalie and I are always kind of talking or it's like, listen, like we just, we don't, it's not our business, you know, type of thing because like,
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You want to have that relationship, but you want to give them the freedom to be fans because part of being a fan is just like talking with your friends and having these theories, right?
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Exactly. They don't even believe it half the time. And like, they're not, they're not, you know, it's like that classic case of someone like write something meaning your comments. And then like you decided for whatever reason to like, like it or respond, whatever reason. And they're like, Oh, oh my God, I'm just kidding. I love you. You're the best.
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Which I've gotten better at. Yeah. But, like, I feel like this movie, in a weird way, kind of just reminds you to, like, connect with people, you know? But it's just such a beautiful movie.
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He's such a unique person, like you said. His story was fascinating.
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You like to cook? I do like to cook. I love to cook. I'm the cooker in the family.
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So we do a good job of separating chores. Oh, I love that.
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Young me was like, love is enough and I can just power through anything. Dishwasher. You know, it's just like, you can have a completely different menu and we can have different tastes and everything. No. If we love each other enough. Being in a relationship with Natalie more than anything has taught me relationships are hard enough. Every day can't be a battle. Picking what you want to eat.
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Who does what. I'm allergic to laundry. Natalie loves it. Natalie's allergic to doing bad dishes. I can do dishes. I love to cook. I won't even let her cook sometimes. I don't let anyone cook. I'm more like, you're doing it wrong. Move, move.
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What's your favorite? Do you have like a go-to?
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I love a thigh because most people go breast. No. And it's just like dark meat, you know.
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I mean, like when I was, you know, in my single days and there was a lot of, a lot of years, I was like the single serving guy, you know, I'd go to the grocery store every day and I'd find like things that like would make sense. Like that's when I got into, that's when I discovered the joy of an English muffin. because I could also like make a burger and then use it as a bun.
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But like, you know, before as a single serving guy, if you just buy like a bag of buns, like you use one bun and it goes bad, but an English muffin you can put in the fridge, it keeps a little longer. And I would have all these like single serving tricks. Yeah. Like, and it was just like, but also kind of depressing that I figured out how to like,
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Before we started recording, we were talking about our daughter and you mentioned, oh, I just want a baby. I want a baby. Is that something that in the future you hope?
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What love and dating relationships are we in a season of like independence? Are we dating around? We're in a single era.
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You got to put another quarter in. Yeah, yeah.
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Are psychics... Like, they make me nervous. They make me nervous. I do not want to know when I'm going to die. They're not going to tell you that, but yes. Maybe they would. But again, there's something about psychics where it's just like, I don't... You...
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My sister has twins. Her sister has twins. I still don't know how twins work.
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But I don't think it has anything to do with the guy, right?
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Well, yeah, but usually there's a lot of those.
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Yeah, but there either has to be one egg or one... I don't know. There can be two eggs. I've never really had anyone explain this to me.
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Yeah, no, it's an emotional film, but very uplifting and obviously peaks and valleys of some sadness. But it always has a very inspirational movie. I mean, it was really touching. And like you said, you don't see a lot of films nowadays like that.
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In your single era, having dated before, I'm assuming. Yes, I have. What's something that you've, through previous experiences, have learned that maybe things have lacked that you really are looking for whenever that happens for you next?
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And what's something that, while things maybe didn't work out in the past with whoever, you still really enjoyed and appreciate that aspect of the relationship that you hope to carry forward?
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When did you learn that? Because that's like a huge step in like just adult.
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That's such a huge step. I mean, I'll ask people all the time to call. if I have a friend who's asking or someone calls in and they'll be like, you know, I want to talk to you about this. I'm like, well, how do you, what do you like about how they make you feel? It's always my favorite question.
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Because sometimes or often there's always like this, oh, um, well, uh, oh, I never thought about how it, how they make me feel. I was more thought about like, why don't, why haven't they texted me back? Or why aren't they calling? Or like, why are they being flaky on me? Like, why are they treating, like, why are they acting this way?
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And then immediately there's a thought of like, I'm doing something wrong. What could I do differently? And things like that. But like, it was funny that you just said not to, you know, moments ago where you realize that you're not for everyone. And like, to me, like that, again, another like huge pivotal, like, at least for me, it was that like, No one is, by the way.
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But that's the person who is people pleasing, who hasn't really realized who they are as a person and not even comfortable to be that person. You have to allow, whether it's dating, whether it's friendship, whether it's just like being an adult in society, is having the guts to be who you are and have people not like you.
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Or not wrong. You just did something and it just wasn't for them. They don't vibe with you. There's so many people out there who are just like, not my cup of tea. And that's totally fine.
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I don't want to do all that anymore. Do you find it to be easy or more difficult to date in the industry or outside of the industry?
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It's tough, right? Like, you know, like me, younger me was more like what I wanted was somebody and I wanted somebody who wanted me. And that was kind of the baseline for most people who wants to be with me. Sure. And then, and then you get older and you have relationships and heartbreak, you break up.
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And then you, that, that transitional period of knowing what you want for yourself, knowing, and then what you want to give to someone else and then having the patience to wait around for it. Yeah. Like it's, the patience is hard. Yeah.
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Yeah. It's a, I had to figure out, there was a point before I met Natalie where when I was in my twenties, it was, you know, my parents were good role models, but the problem, sometimes the problem I have with good role models is like my parents tell me love is important and you have to fight for it. So it was like, oh, okay, well then I'll just fight for this, you know, kind of thing, you know?
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So then, and then I got older and I was like, okay, you know, I finally figured out who I was in my late twenties, early thirties, and then took some risks and, and, and had a, you know, did reality TV. And that was all kind of weird. But then, you know, so then I had this stint of reality TV and this controlled environment where they almost like make you feel like you're young again.
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And it's all about these emotions. And then, so then I was dating, it was more like I honestly, like, there was a point where in my 30s, I was honestly worried, and I thought to myself, do I just need to pick somebody?
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Do, like, you know, like, you'll do. Anybody. You know, like, we get along.
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You seem nice enough. Yeah. You're obviously beautiful, but, like, there was a part of me that was like, am I too cynical? Am I looking for flaws? Am I looking, you know, and finding that balance between... The person who like knows who they are, uh, and is, can be patient, but, or, or, or am I looking for problems? Am I being avoidant or things like that? And I, and I really struggle with that.
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And I, I mean, I remember having those, I remember I saying to my therapist, like, do I just need to do this? Like, because, because I was afraid I wasn't going to fall in love because like when I was younger, you're just like, oh, I just, I don't know what this feeling is. I think we should date, you know? Right.
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And I couldn't replicate that feeling unless I was in this controlled environment on a TV show. And I was like, you're looking for that thing.
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Yeah, no one's like, I broke up with them on the exact perfect day at the right time. You're always going to wonder one way or the other. You just kind of have to trust.
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If I feel bad now, but like, is this the norm? Yeah. Or is this something that is happening now, but like...
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You know, the normal feeling with this person or this relationship generally brings me joy and happiness. But right now, you know, I need a fix. Which happens.
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A lot of people, it's more the opposite. It's just like, you know, you ask them and they're like, I've been miserable for three years. Yeah. You know?
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It's incredible. Our friend, friend show ran that.
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Do you have like, what are you going to knit when you really feel like you've got it down?
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and you didn't watch tv yeah okay yeah my my grandmother phyllis still with us was a she would i used to live with like one time uh my then girlfriend at the time broke up and i was in my uh we were engaged actually but like uh so we were living together had to move out well i had to move out i wanted to get the fuck out of there of course uh and then my grandmother who i only refer to as phyllis because when i was born she was like 50 and she's like i'm not ready to be a grandmother i love that um
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And she lived downtown where, you know, the city I lived in. And I was like, I need to get the fuck out of here. So I like, I like had to shame, shamefully what felt at the time, like live with my grandma, which ended up being like a great time because she's a night owl. And she, I would go out to the bar to hang out with my friends and come back. It'd be like two in the morning.
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She's up knitting, watching TV. And then we would like download the night, you know, and I would talk about like my nights and things like that. And it ended up being like just a very memorable experience.
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What is next for you? Like what in the perfect world? Do you have a dream job, a dream type of film or even maybe a particular actor out there that you've always kind of maybe fascinated or dreamt about working with?
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We'll see. Well, Barbie, this has been so much fun. Thank you for having me. This is so sweet. You're so fun to talk to. Thank you. I really appreciate it. I could keep going, but I know you have to get going. Listen, she's busy. Thank you for taking the time. This has been so much fun. Congratulations on a very beautiful movie. Thank you. Everyone, check it out. Bob Trevino likes it.
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Check it out. It's a really, it's a great friend film. It's a great film. You go with your family. It, you know, you will be emotional, but like it really, most of my other work is not very family friendly.
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Very friendly. You will, you will want to watch, you will see this film and you will want to connect with people afterwards. And I think that's a very beautiful thing that we all need today.
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So much fun to have with you. See you guys tomorrow. Bye.
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Yeah, I think, to your point, a lot of times when you have, like, a complex character, and obviously Lily is, there's always, like, this... You know, like the good angel, dark angel kind of like there's always like what's behind the curtain where Lily was like this unbelievably emotionally resilient, uplifted person. Yeah.
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All these scenes were like you would expect like this absolute crash, you know, from her. But she just kept finding new ways to like pick herself back up. Damn.
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was like really inspiring but also like how when you're performing and playing a character like that there are just a lot of heavy scenes you know where you really had to give you know emotionally like how do you do stuff like that was that taxing on you emotionally you know as an actor are you able to dip in and dip out of these characters do you have to kind of sit in it you know if you're doing one of these scenes that maybe might require a few takes and things like that like what is that like and how do you perform because it truly like
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The scene, not to give too much away, where Lily's therapist cries. Yes. I saw an interview. You mentioned that your first therapy session.
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Was that in the script originally? Yes. It was.
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Wow. Yeah, like a couple years ago. How did you deal with something like that?
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Well, it very much is. And I always remind people too. It's just like, you know, like, not all doctors are created equal, not all mechanics are created equal or therapists and, you know, like, because therapy has become in the best possible way so normalized, now there's kind of this increase of, you know, new therapists and you kind of, you have to weed through.
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Or also, you do have to kind of check in with yourself, just like in dating, where, you know, we have a format. It's called Ask Nick. People call in and ask, like, relationship questions. I'm always like, I'm not a therapist, but here's what I think. And lots of times, you know, the people who call in are in therapy. I'm like, well, what does your therapist think about this?
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And sometimes it's just like, well, we've been talking about this for, like, two years. And it's just like, well... I'm not here to tell you not to, like, but, like, have you made progress? Or, like, have you, you know, like, have they asked you this or that? And, you know, and, like, sometimes you have to ask, like, where have I gotten with this topic? Or why haven't I explored something else?
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Because, like, you know, it is nice to talk about your feelings, but, like, sometimes... You want the progress. Yeah. When you have friends, you know, like I used to be that person when I was going through heartbreaks where I would just like, I would find that one or two person in my life, that friend, it was usually like a woman friend.
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Well, let's see. I don't know if you... You probably don't remember. We met once.
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Like it's such a grind to keep going and wake up every day, especially once you like have that success, you have that music that's out that people are loving and performing.
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And I can see how like without getting away or stepping back, it almost like every day it almost takes away a little bit of the artistry part of the music where it's just like you're just showing up and you're singing and it just, you know, you know what I'm saying? For sure.
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you almost have to reset, you know, sometimes because it's almost, you know, becomes that mundane feeling, you know, or just connecting with family and friends, like finding your inspiration, you know, almost feels like, and whether it's, I hear that, you know, I'm a big sports fan.
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So even with like, you know, athletes, sometimes like the more success they have, the bigger contracts, they, they kind of lose what motivated them in the beginning, you know, and to kind of get away from it almost seems to bring you back to that, that spot.
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well it's we're recording this on valentine's day yes thank you guys for spending it with me by the way this is a dream of ours well in the album love and hyperbole i mean is it a coincidence that it dropped on valentine's day an album that seems to be very centered around love relationships and just romance in general or is that just a huge coincidence
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What are your opinions on Valentine's Day? Is it like a holiday you generally love? Or have you had Valentine's Day where you're like, it's just like a hallmark holiday? Are you kind of a romantic or more of a cynic?
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One time I wrote you a hundred reasons why I love you. Was that for Valentine's Day or your birthday or what?
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I'm always fascinated with the idea of the confidence and self-belief in this idea that why not me? I can kind of do anything. And then that feeling of imposter syndrome sometimes, of doubting yourself, of... you know, like you're just talking about being nervous, right?
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Your smile. You. That's really nice. What are your love languages? She's all of them.
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But she also loves to give gifts as much as she loves to receive them. Like gifts really is a love language for her where she gets excited or like that's on the bottom for me. Like I don't do like gifts. I'm even receiving them. I'm like... Yay. And then, you know, giving them like, if I have an idea, it's great. I can really get into it.
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But like, it's not something Natalie, she'll be, you know, it'll be three months out from whatever moment. And, you know, Natalie loves a surprise. You know, she's like, do you want to know what I got you? I've learned that means I'm supposed to start guessing. She's, you should guess, you know, like things like that.
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where like I'll be like oh shit Valentine's Day is two days away I need to order flowers or something like that so it doesn't come naturally to me I'm definitely like an acts of service like that's how I love to show love and then quality time for sure words of affirmation I'd probably are my top three
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I wouldn't mind any of them. Yeah. It's not like any of them are like, ooh, that gives me the ick. It's just more like I think some come naturally for us than others. Right. Yeah.
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You mentioned on this album that there's a little bit of storytelling in your own personal love life, Deadman being one of them. And it almost, we were all three talking about it before we came in. It almost feels like the album is in some kind of order where it almost kind of starts out a little like sad.
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and a little heavy and you're, and you're talking about difficult challenges in relationships. Um, is that, is there accuracy to that where, and then it kind of progresses to a more like independent, like screw it. I'm out there having fun. And then a little bit, and then back to like connecting with love.
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Dead Man, for me, I don't know, again, I would be curious, like, what your inspiration, but before I was lucky enough to meet Natalie and fall in love, like, even my time shitting on reality TV as a bachelor, but even before that, like, in my 20s, I, you know, I had great role models as parents in terms of love. In a way, like, both wonderful, but in a bad way sometimes.
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And what I mean by that is, like, My parents always taught me like love is really special, right? And you have to fight for it. And I think as a young man, that fight for it part, I really didn't know how to actually like, didn't really know what that meant, right?
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So when I was in relationships younger, I wasn't really willing to look at, is this the right relationship or is this the healthy relationship? And so, you know, I knew I was taught love is special. You have to fight for it. You have ups and downs. So when I was in relationships early in life, I wouldn't be open to the possibility that while this may be as good, it's not as great as it could be.
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And as much as we might love each other, maybe we're not compatible enough. And it almost felt like Den Man was, it felt like I was hearing you talk about having a hard time letting go to something or not feeling appreciated. And I feel like there's a lot of people out there in relationships where they feel like they're doing 100% of their half and like 40% of their partner's half.
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And is there anything about that song that kind of connects with that mindset where you're just... you feel like you're, you almost wake up one day and realize, why am I doing all of this and not getting enough in return?
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And, but having a hard time letting go of, and maybe saying goodbye to something that you maybe at one point said, this is going to be my forever, you know, and I need to fight for this. I need to invest in this. And I really need to protect this relationship and figuring out, should I do that? Or maybe there's something else out there for me.
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And it's so tough, right? In real time to figure out what that is, because you don't want to go into a relationship like a tit for tat, like, well, I'll do this for you and immediately expect something in return. You have to kind of go in doing things out of love, not expecting anything, but every once in a while you have to learn to check in.
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with yourself and with the relationship and go, do I feel loved? One of our shows, people will call it and ask for relationship advice. And one of my favorite questions is like, well, how do you feel loved in this relationship? Or like, what do you love about this relationship? How does your partner make you feel?
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And it's fascinating asking that question to people who are like on the fence about things to actually think about it. Because You know, so many times, especially when we're young, we meet someone, we get excited, we fall in love, we should date, I love you, let's be boyfriend and girlfriend, let's be together.
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And then all of a sudden you're just like, sometimes playing house or like you're so much your relationship was based off the excitement of how you meant. And then you don't really, it's almost as if people stop connecting and falling in love once they decide to be in a relationship. Yeah. And then they have that honeymoon phase.
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And next thing you know, it's like you wake up one day and you're bickering over stupid things. Or you feel like you've been maybe giving a little bit more than you're receiving. And yeah, growing up and falling in love, it's that trial and error. I always think love is this really passionate, crazy, wonderful thing that's so intense.
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And we try to do it at an early age, even before we're technically adults. What if we got into a Ferrari without knowing how to drive it? You know, that's kind of like what getting into a relationship is when you're young and you just like kind of sometimes have to crash and burn and like pick up the pieces and try again, you know, and it's, it's been, I mean, ups and downs for me.
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Yeah, we talk about that a lot too, where it's just, you know, I'm a little older than Natalie and I was just like, and I've had a handful of relationships that didn't work out. And I was just like, you know, you're my first partner I have where I don't feel like we compete in a way where I told that to my therapist once.
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And she's like, yeah, I used to fight with my ex-husband over like who had a worse day. You know what I'm saying? Like sometimes you have those people where it's like, oh, yeah, it's like, well, I had an even worse day.
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Like, you know, and it's just like, but I took that for granted. And back to like thinking love's hard or you have to have hard work where it's just like I had past partners were like we had nothing in common.
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Like everything was a debate, whether it was what we wanted to eat, what we wanted to watch, you know, what we wanted to do. And it's like, yes. When people will say like, all you need is love. And I'm like, I don't know. Like you need a lot more. It's so much easier. It's also just a lot easier if you wake up and go, should we do this?
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And the other person's like, yeah, that sounds like a lot of fun, you know, because there's so many differences between Nellie and I, but like, I've never had a partner where like every day is in a struggle figuring out the daily routinely things. And that is something that I learned. I took away for granted in relationships because I wanted to romanticize. And like I said, I had that.
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these these wonderful parents who are in love as role models and like kind of in different versions we're all like if we're not suffering through it like maybe it's my like catholic upbringing and like you know that shame of like suffering is good like you know and figuring out like well do i really need to feel this way to be in love you know and like it really can be a lot easier
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if you're willing to wait for that right person and who kind of wakes up and feels like every day they're willing to choose and fight for this relationship, but not fight in a like, I got to fight to save it, but like, I got to protect it. I want to wake up and connect with my partner in a lot of ways.
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how do you do that? Like, how do you work through that process? Even as an artist, again, like there's this, another battle of you have a fan base, you have a team, I'm assuming you have a lot of praise and adoration.
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And I always get fascinated by the fan bases and the relationships that the people we get to interview have. And each fan base, like, you know, fan, I always remind myself is like short for fanatic. And we're like, we love our, even, you know, people who listen to our show. I'm so grateful for our fans and the people who listen. But sometimes it can feel overwhelming.
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Sometimes our fans want a lot from us, want our vulnerability, want us to share more than maybe we're comfortable with. There's toxicity in fan bases and things like that. How do you balance that relationship with your fan bases? Not only just your fan bases, but just in the music in general, because I have found that the music industry, they ride for their people. And sometimes that will mean
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Knocking someone else down. And how do you manage that? Because you've had to experience stuff in the past with some really cool moments in your career being almost overshadowed by fans, maybe with the best of intentions, kind of not being as nice as they could be.
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Like you almost started believing some of the things that they were saying and almost like, like it felt wrong to appreciate the, from a career standpoint, like it must've been, I mean, I fantasized about winning awards. I like, you know, I wouldn't even be in a position to win because I don't have the ability to win them.
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Here you are winning a Grammy and to not be able to really soak in that moment is, It's sad.
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It's tough, yeah, because the internet, man, when the internet comes for you, it feels so overwhelming.
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Yeah. Natalie is well more versed in music in general. Like it's a much more her thing. Well, not even that, like she can listen to a song once or twice and know all the words to a song. Like she really connects with the lyrics. Like it's really impressive.
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And I'm definitely more of like, you know, top forties where it's just like, once it goes, you know, cause I think there are different types of music fans, right. You know, like to your point where it's just like, you'll have fans that are like, they're, they're there from the ground up. They are waiting for any type of preview, any type of early release or drop.
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And then there's fans like me, when it becomes more mainstream and I start listening to it. And I think the music business is more tailored to that. So when you're winning that Best New Artist, there's probably a lot of fans who have been enjoying the music for a while, have been listening, or have been paying attention. And to them, it doesn't feel new.
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But to the... The majority, the masses. Yeah, it's best new art. It's like, yeah, she's new. I just started hearing this. I really started just enjoying her music. And so it is kind of fascinating that way.
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Mine too. I was definitely very nervous and I didn't really, I didn't never been on a stage before, like wearing an earpiece. Like it's really kind of fascinating, like how much you can't like hear the crowd.
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We saw online last night you performed, was it a couple nights ago or was it last night?
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Was that your first live performance in a while?
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In terms of recording in the studio versus recording live in front of a crowd, do you have a preference?
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And more excitement than nerves surrounding that?
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Do you have any like pre-show rituals that you used to do or...
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And just knowing that it meant a lot to other people is like, do you have, have you fantasized about any other collab that you would want to do or you just kind of leave it open to the, to the universe, to the universe?
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like stevie nicks would be like this is like shooting for the stars like stevie nicks stevie wonder all the stevies i love both stevie nicks could be i can see you yeah the voices would be fun i love her yeah she's an idol of mine that would be so cool and when you were working with john do you guys talk about you know because you wrote this album he obviously does a lot of writing for his stuff do you guys not only talk about just the music in general but the writing process
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You mentioned Obvious as one of your favorites on the album. What are some of the other ones that you've gone back to and it really connects with you? You must love them all, but do you have ones that are at the top?
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Were you a guest host on RuPaul's Drag Race? Yes.
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Are you a fan of the show? I am. Our audience loves pop culture, reality TV.
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Oh, you do? Yeah, I do. Can we ask what are some of your favorites?
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Do you think like the idea, like Love is Blind, the idea of falling in love with someone Behind a screen.
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The most awkward moment of that show is when they propose and they're like, it's usually the woman standing there behind, like facing a screen. I can't. I actually can't. It's ridiculous, but I love it. I feel so uncomfortable.
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I don't think it's even that long. We got lucky enough to, we went and visited the set where they film the pods. And we like, uh, our, our daughter was like, two or three months at a time. And we did the reveal walkout. We kind of pretended. That's a long walk, too.
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I get why. Remember, was it Chelsea when she ran?
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Because you don't realize how far it's going to go.
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There is. Having not done Love is Blind, but you're surprised just how quickly you kind of forget about cameras and things like that. Really?
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It's such an intense environment, you know? Yeah. And like you really, if you are one of those people who like connects with someone, they do a good job of creating these environments that like make you think you have nothing else going on but this connection and you really have to protect it. And you just, you kind of,
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you're really immersed into like an experiment it's really fascinating that's very strange wow interesting in another life because i know obviously you have your career you have a relationship you're very happy about but like in another life if if there's a reality tv show concept that you think it would be fun to do if you were just like a contestant what what would what would that be
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It's really good. Everyone knows it's a game, but there is a lot of very a la Survivor where you have to be manipulative.
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And it's this weird thing where you're like, I know it's only a game, but you're really good at that. And like, I think you can tell some characters are more nervous about playing the game than others.
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Survivor, I don't think, I'm too picky of an eater.
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I think eating is literally a love language of mine. I can be, I am particular, but the things I enjoy eating, like I love tasting food, you know, and like I need to enjoy eating. Like I can't just eat for the sake of getting like calories. Yeah, you have to enjoy it. It like mentally affects me if I'm not enjoying food.
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Jingle Ball, 2016. I do remember this. I introduced you.
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Nothing is as embarrassing as going on reality TV and taking risks and having that be on. Yeah.
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You know, Alessia gets to be like, are you, you know, I was 18. I'm like, I was 30.
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I mean, I thought you were great. I'm a little older, so like a movie that made me connect with those reality TV moments is a movie called Swingers. Do you remember that? Swingers, yes. And there's that That scene where he meets the girl at the bar, he gets home and he calls her and leaves her a voice note. And he's just like going, he's heartbroken over his other girlfriend.
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And so then he calls her again and leaves another voicemail and kind of just spirals. And then she finally answers and she's like, don't ever call me again. Like being on reality TV sometimes feels like I was in a scene like that, you know. But it's real. Yeah. Yeah.
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Cause I think when it comes to love or relationships, I mean, I think we kind of easily forget, but like there, you know, if, if you've ever been heartbroken or if you've really gone through it, there's times where you remember where you're just like, I was like doing that or thinking that, or like, I was really not my best self. Like, you know, it is tough to watch your vulnerability back.
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I'm just glad I have a wife that has no interest in watching it.
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It's wild. Yeah. I was like, I couldn't hear you. You almost like couldn't hear yourself talking unless you're talking to the mic. It was a little trippy, but yeah.
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Just to wrap things up, obviously when, you know, we leave here, it's Valentine's day, but I always love, you know, the saying celebrities are just like us, but like when, other than obviously you mentioned reality TV, but what are your comforts in life when you are not making music, when you're not working, what are the things that, you know, the normal things that you really enjoy doing that kind of make you feel like home, make you feel connected, just like really give you peace of mind.
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I'm the opposite. It can be 95 degrees. I'm getting a hot coffee. Really?
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I love that. I know you have to go, but I just want to congratulate you on the new release, the new album, Love and Hyperbole, out Valentine's Day. But when this comes out, it'll be out available for people.
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Thank you for taking the time. Congratulations on the album, all the success. It's really exciting for you. It's a beautiful album. We really enjoy it. Thank you. And I know your fans will as well. So I really appreciate it. And thank you for your time.
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Thank you guys for listening. I hope you enjoyed this. Check out the album and we will see you tomorrow.
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You know, it's like we have a one year old daughter. So like as parents were, you know, I'm very excited about her getting older and fantasizing about what she might enjoy and do. And I mean, it's funny. I remember this. I love my parents. I had a great childhood and they gave me so many things. But there was a conversation I'll never forget with my dad. And I remember like lying in bed.
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I don't know how old I was, five, six, seven years old. And he was kind of asking me what I wanted to do when I grew up. And I think I might've said something like, I want to be a professional athlete or something like that. And I remember my dad kind of saying kind of, it was basically kind of like, well, that's really cool. But like, I don't know, like, you know, professional athlete.
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It was almost like, and I get it where he was coming from. It was like, you know, that balance as a parent being between like, again, like believing in your kid, but also trying to set your child up for success and having reasonable goals. And like, I imagine your parents, you're like, yeah, I want to, I want to be an artist, you know, I want to sing. And it's kind of like, yeah,
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It's sometimes those big moments, like whatever it is, like for you, your big deal. I remember when I was asked to be the bachelor and I thought that was kind of surreal or when we found out
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Natalie was pregnant like always like these surreal moments where maybe you've thought about them in the past or you fantasize about them and then it happens and then there's like that gap between like you know when we found out Natalie was pregnant and then it's like all right well what should we get for dinner you know like there's some really exciting news you kind of go back to life where I imagine you signed a deal and it's like you're not you know making music yet and like there's all these things and like there's this huge excitement around it and then like you're like
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okay, well, when does it start? You know, almost like that feeling.
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Well, Alessia, welcome to The Vile Files. Excited to be with you.
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Congratulations, obviously, on your release. Happy Valentine's Day.
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You know, you've over the past few years, you've been kind of laying low a little bit. And now with this new album coming out, do you feel like you're kind of embarking on a new chapter or is it not that deep? And what was part of the reason for like laying kind of low?
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I think there was a lot, a lot of your fans out there were, you know, kind of really starving for like new music and really excited. Did you feel that pressure? And yeah, kind of where, how do you see this chapter of your life in your career?
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Happy Valentine's Day. Love and Hyperbole out today. Yes.
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There were moments of maybe deciding to hang it up, so to speak, and do something else in between?
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On stage. I do remember that. This is very cool. I've never introduced an artist before.
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Yeah. Did you get as far as, like, thinking about what you would do?
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that time apart like you are in the creative space you're an artist but like you said the music industry or just entertainment in general has that business side which I think for any creative person it's a conflict of interest it almost feels like right and it's just
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I don't think that's positive. It was free advice. It was weird to me that she was so offended and she keeps making these accusations of me threatening her.
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Heather, we're good. We're good. You'll see we have a little bit of conflict at one point. You'll see. But, you know, we're good. We're good. We're great. She texted me on my birthday and everything's all good.
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Very good. You're a chameleon. I was like, holy shit.
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Why was it a blur? That was during all like the swinging stuff, like coming out. And so I was just so disassociated.
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But buzz cut is one thing. You had the military crew cut.
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a fashion choice but when it comes to reality TV they don't the people watching you don't appreciate risk taking of any kind yeah it's giving pumpkin spice yeah they're just I mean listen they're looking to shit on you and rip on you and when you when you make bold choices you're just giving them a softball ammo yeah so good on you for not listening to them no I love it
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Okay, like Virginia-ish?
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We were in San Diego this weekend.
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My brother and sister-in-law live there, and they had their first baby, so we went to visit. Oh, cool.
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That's a compliment, by the way, Natalie. But you both must have, despite the crew cut, you both must have been like, fuck yes. Because you're both very attractive people. And it really seems like you guys fit. And that must have been a really nice cherry on top.
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I suppose when you, when you say it like that, you're right. Because if you, if cameras weren't on you and you didn't have to worry about that, you'd probably just like awkwardly and weirdly like stare at each other and look each other up and down and really analyze who they are and what they look like. But you, you can't do that. Yeah. Cause that would, that would look really weird.
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This entire cast was pretty open about sex and you guys kind of getting physical fairly quickly. I don't remember exactly when you guys talked about it, but given how intense the reveal is and you guys, like you said, described not even remembering what each other looked like, what conversations did you have about intimacy in Cabo once you started being alone?
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And was it just more you guys got drunk and it happened? Or did you guys talk it through? What was that like?
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Well, that makes a lot of sense.
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You had mentioned at the reunion when Nick and Vanessa, when they really dug deep, but they asked you about your living situation. And you mentioned that, because obviously on the show, you guys had talked and it was our understanding that you guys agreed to relocate to San Diego. And it sounds like that was a challenge for you. And obviously you wanted to
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Well, I thought it was really interesting, specifically this season, and you look at just other couples like Marissa and Ramses, and it almost seemed like sex was maybe a reason that destroyed the connection that they had, because it almost seemed like their relationship, at least the way they talked about it, was so hot and heavy early on, and almost as if their relationship became more about their physical connection, and then every other conversation...
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it can make it harder for two people to remain objective about their feelings. You know, sex affects your body chemistry, men and women differently. And this is, again, we know it's a TV show. It can be edited, but this is the impression I got was just the relationship was very physical. And then here's Marissa seemingly just head over heels for this man.
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seemingly ignoring what looks like a bunch of red flags. And it kind of gave... She just was so into him and the chemistry that she couldn't see the forest through the trees. Meanwhile, a lot of their disconnect seemed to be around that. It's just interesting how sex can play a role. And two people, in terms of how you guys... decided to approach that.
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At least it seemed like you were allowed to remain objective. Because that's what I really enjoyed watching you two fall in love in the pods. I found you guys really interesting because of how transparent and how much you guys described your feelings. And just every step along the way, you two brought us kind of into the relationship, it felt like, which was really enjoyable.
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And I think that was kind of new for couples who start in love and finish in love on that show.
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be close to home and then you had a conversation and where you guys came up with this new plan but how did you approach that and i was curious like was that something that was like an ongoing conversation or was that something you were feeling and then you finally kind of built up the courage to say hey taylor uh i gotta ask you or tell you something and and how did that go all go down
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Well, I understood your lie.
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I'm not condoning it, but I can be logical.
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You were broken up with this person for six and a half years?
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That makes sense. And I don't even mean it meant like you did. It was more like, I just feel like sometimes in those moments you receive a text or something and you can have the absolute best of intentions. Like it seems like you did in a...
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high pressure environment or a triggering situation that you could be sensitive to it's like sometimes you're just like what is the absolute best way to do this and just knowing it could be triggering things can snowball and it's just like it was more like that where it could have been felt like it was something like that where
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even though whether you meant to or not, it seemed like you had the best of intentions. And I think sometimes in those situations, like I just understood that, where like you might have to apologize for not handling it the best way that you could have. I never, as a viewer... Stop trusting your character in that situation. Cause I, you know, I just feel like, I don't know.
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You could just kind of tell. Yeah.
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How did you put that to bed? That whole her reaching out or did you ever hear from her again?
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For sure. Don't you think it's kind of a coincidence that she reached out after six and a half years?
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this it's heavy it's heavy as everyone saw during the reunion you made a comment uh garrett where you were like during the uh nick d and hannah feud and you were like this is so annoying i don't know what you said this is immature and i'm waiting for i'm counting down the seconds and i really i really agreed with you there
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I was bummed for Hannah because, you know, we had a brief conversation with her and, you know, she was like, yeah, no, like she said early in the reunion, I can improve my tact and my timing and my deliverable and all those things. And then at the reunion, you know, Nick,
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said this very gracious thing where he wanted to defend hannah and then all of a sudden she it seemed like she used that as what she was hoping is like a nick takedown it felt like and it just like her friends going through his journal or whatever that was we really glossed over that didn't we it felt really icky i mean it was just like yeah we were at the house and my friends were like let's go through his stuff and then we read that like he wants to be the most famous guy on love is blind
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Great to have you. Let's give a round of applause for being in love. You guys are still in love, right? Love for love.
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It's like, okay, so what? My stance is, is if you go on a reality TV show and then you, I don't care what your intentions are or why you go, but if you have an active social media and you are benefiting from the fame that you have, you don't get to accuse other people of going on for fame. Like you all went on, I'm guessing a million different reasons. It seems like you guys were open to love.
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You said, even yourself, you thought maybe there was a 1% chance you'd meet your person, right? So does that mean you guys went in for fame? Of course not, right? You were open to the experience. It always feels really icky when people use these tropes of reality TV to try to publicly take someone down. And honestly, of all the...
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talking Hannah did about working on herself in growth it really felt like she completely ruined that for herself in that moment to try to she came across honestly to me a little petty a little vindictive and honestly Marissa I didn't mind because Marissa seems like they're friends she has her feelings about how things went down with Ramses so to me it was like she's having her girls back so I didn't really mind Marissa getting involved I was really disappointed in Hannah and yeah it just seemed like you you kind of were aligned
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I don't know if she does, because how can you do, how can you understand that and then try to get the same thing to happen to Nick?
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She certainly did. Didn't she tell him to shut up at some point?
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It's like, okay, I guess. Same old Hannah.
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Exactly. Reading between the lines of that whole drama, it felt like whatever Nick's allegedly said, he said it off camera in the privacy of these guys, probably egging him on or just asking what he really thinks. And then he says something. Again, regardless of what he said. But it's like Hannah and Marissa and Ramses and everyone else were just trying to egg him on. You said this.
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And it's just like, well, why would you want him to admit something that would be cruel to public? It's contradictory of what you're trying to accomplish here just so you can take the guy down and to do what? So you can share in the criticism that you're receiving? It just felt really icky and gross. And clearly, Nick was trying to be the polite guy. I mean, it is Love is Blind, the show.
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And so part of the fascination of the show is while you two didn't care some people do some people like myself if I agreed to go on the show I honestly wonder how I would handle that reveal and what I would put myself I don't think well you know but like Nick it's like you could tell during the reunion Nick was just like like the wolves would have come for him.
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And then you have Hannah who had this glow up. It just felt really icky what they were trying to do to him.
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lives it's gonna break anybody i mean i i didn't get near as much and i still was broke you know at moments so yeah well you obviously don't condone that and unfortunately internet is it is what it is i've uh that's also one of their favorite things yeah they love to say that to say it's just one of the you know and maybe i'm desensitized to it because i've had so much experience with online hate and things like that and i've also had some very good lessons you know i tell this story several times but a few years back i got this message on instagram from this uh
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person it was on Twitter I'm sorry it was on Twitter and it was like hey Nick can you unblock me on Instagram and I at that point I hadn't blocked someone in years because I just I stopped doing it I don't really care I don't read comments but Early on, when I was on TV, I would block someone and the girl was like, hey, can you unblock me from Instagram?
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I'm really sorry for calling you an ugly troll or whatever it was. But in my defense, she says, I was 12. And it was a really great lesson. And I kind of laughed at it. And I did like a poll on Twitter, like, hey, guys, you think I should unblock this person? Those comments obviously are never okay.
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But I think sometimes you just have to remember potentially who is online and you don't know these people. Unfortunately, parents are giving their 12-year-olds phones and they can say the craziest shit. I don't condone that. I do think simultaneously it doesn't alleviate Steven to have to address...
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his behavior and you know why he came on the show i think you know monica made a really great point because even his explanation at the reunion was kind of like old me would have did this and but knew me was like just you know i hope i unlock my phone it said something like that and to me it was like well all i'm hearing is a guy who clearly hasn't figured himself out yet and love is blind isn't the place to figure out whether you are a faithful person you know
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And things like that. And here you are entering into a relationship with a woman who clearly has opened up about her past relationships and put herself out there, got engaged, you know, like as someone who has gotten engaged on reality TV, like it's easy for me to be like, it's not really the same, but I still have to be like, I was engaged before. It's still on my resume, so to speak.
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And, and Steven stole that from, from Monica. Yeah.
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These are very healthy people. No, truly.
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No, it is very nice. It's a breath of fresh air. You guys operate like you've done this a few times. And I mean, that is a compliment because it's it's it's easier said than done to not engage with. It's just it's easy to listen to the noise. It's very hard to disconnect, focus on what's in front of you. Most people don't do that.
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DM that's like that was an awful take you should kill yourself I mean it's like it's crazy it really is crazy and it's the truth it's sad but it's true it's just like our audience is largely women when they're disappointed at me it's like they say that I'm just a little disappointed in Nick. And for the same comment, they'll tell Natalie, she's a ugly whore who should kill herself.
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Well, that's kind of the point. It's like, that's 12-year-old girl behavior, right? Or, you know, maybe they're not all 12-year-olds, but like, it's just... You have a vendetta against this person. Have you met them? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Honestly, I'm very appreciative. I'm very appreciative.
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I've been listening to this years ago, but I was very appreciative of the lesson, you know? It's like, I was appreciative of the perspective that she was able to
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Yeah, it's a reminder because like I said, we're very good at staying offline. We're very good at reading comments, but every once in a while, it'll still find you. And you can be in this business for a while and it still affects you. You can't help how it affects you. The difference is how you process it after you're affected by it and you just kind of get better at reminding you
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Like this person doesn't know me. This is an effect to me. Cause your instinct is to try to convince them, you know, like when I first got criticism online, I almost was like, I would meet anyone willing to meet me because it was like, I'm going to show you who I really am. You know? And it's like, you can't do that. Like, how can you, that's not sustainable.
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Like, so you kind of have to give up on that and let it go and just be comfortable with the internet is the matrix. It's not even real, you know, because you can go on like even Steven for all the hate that he's getting. I promise you, if Steven walks into a bar in DC, he'll be treated like a rock star. Yeah, yeah. You're right. They'll all take pictures with them. They'll all be like, oh my God.
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I mean, part of me always liked Roots for the Drama. Right. If you guys were fighting on the way in, I'd be sad for you.
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And even they'll be like, honestly, I'm kind of into kinks. They'll all do that, right? Who isn't it? It's not real.
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We're lucky to have each other. And willing to listen to each other and help each other out because that's always, I think sometimes, you know, you don't, just let me do what I want to do. And, and you guys seem, even when maybe Garrett gives in to the internet, um, he seems to be willing to listen.
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We'll do a podcast after this. It doesn't really matter. It's just more like people, it'll just be your turn. And hopefully you will just not notice it. And you're right. You're absolutely right. The same people criticizing him are people who are wanting to protect you. you know, and they're, they identify with you.
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And, and like, honestly, a lot of people who criticize you, they're not criticizing you. They're criticizing someone who you remind them of an ex or you remind them like the one person who lied to their, when their ex texted it, you know, it's all just a projection of, of, and that's why we love these shows because we're not, we're watching it because it's,
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It's it's either reflection of us or reflection of people we've dated before and things like that. So all of the reactions are just that. Right. And you just have to be able to disconnect from it. So totally.
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Very long distance. I mean, other than the obvious, it being very far, what are your biggest struggles? Ultimately, it sounds like it's creating a bigger disconnect than you wish.
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Yeah, I mean, that's, I'm glad you bring that up, you know, both the love is blind kind of logistical aspect of it, because, yeah, it seems like the city, the show does that. But to your point, the show can't predict the future or, you know, what your long term goals are, both as individuals and then what they become.
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What was the original fight about?
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Is he American or is he European?
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Obviously, like a long distance relationships are difficult. I'm curious when you guys agreed to be boyfriend and girlfriend and try to make this what was going to be a challenge work. Like what expectations about like where this relationship might go? Did you guys have?
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I mean, I know what I think, but I'm curious if you guys have questions.
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Also as a couple, then you start having kids and you ask yourself, well, yeah, maybe we live here now. Now and I, you know, we have our first daughter and now we're having different conversations about what's the next five or 10 years like, where do we want our kids to go to school? Is it here? Is it somewhere else?
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i don't know if there's any other advice that i can give that's gonna fix this particular issue to get through the other side what i'm hearing is that like i'm always trying to always empathize with both parties when i hear stuff like this and so on face value i guess i can see where he might be coming from it's like i had these plans i know they weren't set but i gotta drop all this just for what what i thought we i already apologized you know he's probably thinking you know things like that
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So on its face, it might seem like a slightly unreasonable request from you. But my point is why I ask is like, what expectations you have of this relationship going in? It's just like, I guess my point is you can easily start having these conversations now, right? Because otherwise, these types of disagreements and disconnects are going to continue to happen.
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Because I think you're thinking, hey, I need this right now. And I know it's not a normal request. And I know it seems like I'm asking a lot of you, but we decided to be in this long distance relationship. And this is what you need right now, right? And if he wants to make this long distance relationship work, from time to time, he's going to have to do things
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outside of the norm of what maybe his buddies are doing in their relationships with people they're dating who live in the same city. And so you're saying, I need this. And he's just like, well, this feels unreasonable and you're asking too much of me.
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But if he's not willing every once in a while to maybe splurge on a ticket or make a trip unexpected, because these things are going to happen and you're going to need that connection that he's not willing to give you right now. So To me, it just sounds like this is more of an opportunity to say, what are we doing here?
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Going forward, you can't promise each other you're not going to upset each other. You can't guarantee there's not going to be a fight or a disconnect. But when that does happen, are you both willing to do what needs to be done to bring each other back together? Seems like you are, but he's not seeing it. To give him the benefit of the doubt, I feel like he's not seeing it the way he needs to.
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And maybe it's because you guys haven't had the conversations you should be having. Like, I understand you met at a one night stand and right now you guys have been just kind of enjoying each other's company when you can have it, but like kind of riding on the high of your story of how you met.
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And, you know, it can be a very scary thing, you know, especially when a couple agrees to something. And especially in your case where like you guys agreed to something that obviously you were very excited about, I imagine. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, Garrett comes to you with a different idea.
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But like for this to continue on, you're going to have to get on the same page in terms of where you guys are in terms of like expectations of this relationship.
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Well, I also just like the word crazy you've thrown around, like what you guys are attempting to do to have a relationship across continents. It's crazy, right? It's kind of crazy. Like it's like not recommended, very hard to do. Like it might work, but it's kind of crazy.
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And my point is every once in a while to do this crazy thing that you're doing, you both might have to make crazy choices, you know, that he wouldn't otherwise want to make. And that's kind of my point. It's just like, he's so worried and maybe it is a trauma from his past or whatever. But he needs to understand that what you both are attempting to do is kind of crazy.
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So it requires some crazy decisions every once in a while. And you guys can have those conversations and boundaries and expectations around like, yes, if I'm going to demand you to get on a plane every month, that would be really crazy. But I'm not asking that, like you said, like this is the first time I'm asking that.
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It can be a very triggering situation where it's just like, like you, like you said, well, I thought we agreed to this. I thought you promised.
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But I do need every once in a while to see you show your willingness to like go out of your way for us. you know, every once in a while when I'm feeling really disconnected, which I am right now. And he, if he wants to be in this relationship and continue to be in this relationship and see if there's a future there, be willing to do stuff like this.
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Yeah. I feel like this could be an opportunity for you guys to maybe sit down and have a conversation about what the future looks like. Because in all seriousness, nine months isn't a great deal of time. But for you guys to keep going, you need to have some kind of understanding of where this is going. Like, are either of you willing to relocate? Because if not, long distance can work temporarily.
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And I'm curious how you processed all that, because that could have been a very, like you said, it was difficult, but that could have been a very detrimental conversation for other couples, because there's a lot of ways in that conversation to feel misled or abandoned where it's just like, well, I, I thought we made a decision.
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Yeah. But unless it eventually becomes not long distance, unless you guys have some like very unique relationship needs, eventually some one of you is going to have to make a very huge compromise. And you can't avoid those conversations, you know, otherwise you're just fucking around. Neither of you are taking this that seriously if you're not willing to have these serious conversations.
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It'd be great for us, yeah. But I'm very happy for you guys. How has it been? What has life been like in the real world so far?
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Yeah, I mean, he needs to go out of his way to make this very long-distance relationship work. And that's kind of the point. And you need to know he's willing to do that despite his trauma from his past relationship. And he can't keep using it as an excuse.
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Yeah. I mean, also like setting a precedent is kind of a weird phrase in a relationship. Yeah.
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It was a strange way to phrase it. But it's a real thought. I think people in relationships have to. Right. So I think it's a very human feeling that he had to be worried about doing that. You know, so I don't know if it was a language thing.
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I just think right now, this fight is all about the fact that you guys have yet to sit down and really talk about what your future looks like and have some tough conversations like you guys had to have about your future, which might include both of you feeling like, fuck. Like one of us is going to have to make a huge sacrifice in the future or both of you. But like it's going to be required.
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So like, how did you work through that while he was approaching you with that honesty while you were simultaneously trying to grapple with, I'm not going to get what I thought we agreed to.
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And right now it seems like you guys have avoided that because, you know, it's going to be really hard and you don't want to like fuck up the honeymoon phase and the excitement of what you're going through. But nine months is plenty of time to enjoy it. But at this point, like what you don't want to do is like have this three years from now.
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that is true that's true but I mean yeah that's true that's a good point there are worse places to get dumped than Italy I really just I just don't think guys would fly you out to break up with you Nick obviously wouldn't yeah I broke up with him over text I mean it's kind of the logic is she's gonna hate me anyways yeah
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I have one more question, I think, for you, Garrett. Well, you can participate too. Tim and Alex. At the reunion. They obviously got into it. It got contentious. And then Vanessa really wanted to end the drama. I was like, man, let him keep going. I'm good with that. I know you were.
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Gotcha. I liked you, Tim, as a viewer. At the same time, I'm pretty sure that Tim is probably getting a lot of heat. And I imagine after reunion, he's going to get even more. And I think partly it is because I think its audience is mostly women. And I think, you know, we're protective, obviously, and rightfully so, of the ladies on the show.
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But sometimes I feel like it can go a little too far where it's just like, I think anytime a man shows a little frustration, anger, it doesn't always read well on camera. But you and Tim seem pretty close. And my read on Tim is that while he may be an imperfect person, as we all are, and clearly it seemed like him and Alex just maybe weren't compatible.
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When I watch reality TV, I'm trying to decide a couple of things. I just assume everyone's flawed. We all have our mistakes. But are you a good person or are you a bad person type of thing? Tim, to me, seems like a good guy, like an earnest, high character, has his values, has his conviction to stand by them, even in the face of criticism.
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And I just want to give you an opportunity to talk about what seems to be one of the guys you actually came close with, because I do feel like he is set up for failure the way it is aired sometimes.
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Why do you think at the reunion those two decided, kind of like to your point earlier, they had a whole year. Why do you feel like the vitriol came up?
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We had a chance to talk with Ashley. She addressed in great detail all the backstory of Tyler and Ashley's whatever baby drama that they're going through. But, you know, fans will fan and be the skeptics that they are. And there was a moment at the reunion when you were like, we got your back.
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So just as two people who have gotten to know those two and had at least a little bit of a front row seat to that whole experience, what is your guys' perception of that situation? And more importantly, Ashley and Tyler's relationship?
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Yeah, I guess it's less about the detail, and that's why I want to ask, because you are friends. It's more, I think the real skeptics out there, you know, and not that it matters, but it's more like, I think people want to tell Ashley she's being foolish for believing Tyler type of energy, right? And like you said, what goes on between them matters.
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But at the end of the day, I think we want to believe that Ashley is making the right and healthy decision. And talking to her very much felt like she was. But just from that perspective, can you speak on just like your confidence in Ashley to ask the questions she needed to ask and get the answers she needed to ask? Because like we've all been fooled by the people we trust and people we love.
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And I think the people out there who might have a hard time buying into the relationship might be people who are projecting they've been wronged by someone they love and trust. And it's just more speaking on that.
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And what seemed really sad about the whole thing is that it actually seemed like a really selfless and sweet thing that he did that, ultimately is now backfiring because he went on this TV show and made this crazy choice. And I understand that it can be very weird for someone you know or had a subtype of relationship with to go on TV and watch them.
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And so I give those people grace, but at the same time, it really feels like in Tyler's situation, this person is almost responding to... her story being told in a way like she's like, she is attaching herself to Tyler in a way that maybe she shouldn't. And even though it's, it seems like a very vindictive thing for this person to do.
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Like, I guess I maybe understand where it's coming from, but it's a sad because it's, I'm like, he's being criticized for what ultimately was a beautiful thing and selfless thing that he did for this person. And it's such a shame that it's, it's backfiring on him now.
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The good news is, is no one really will remember all that bullshit. And, and when it comes, when I always tell people, usually when it's off the bachelor, you know, uh, when they're asking for my advice is like, listen, now it's like, and I'll say it to you guys, like your story really hasn't been told up until this point. Netflix has told your guys a story.
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Now you guys have a platform, you have social media, you control your narrative. So for anyone who's doubting you guys or believing in you guys, we'll find out, so to speak. You will show us one way or the other what the truth is. And now you guys have a chance to tell your own story, just like Tyler and Ashley have a chance to tell their story. And at the end of the day, people won't remember.
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If you've ever watched The Bachelor and you remember Ari as The Bachelor and how that season ended for him and how much... I've never seen someone hated so much online. And now the truth is he made the right decision and he's in a happy marriage with the person he picked and they have kids now. And the person he broke up and rejected became the bachelorette and that didn't work out.
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And now she is happily with someone with a kid from the show. And, and that's all that people care about right now. They don't even remember the vitriol, all those nasty things. So it's his best to just let it go.
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Well, we really appreciate you guys taking the time. This was so much fun getting to know you guys. Ultimately, what's next for you guys? And then we'll end it on that.
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Yeah, you should. Get ready with me. I don't know.
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I'm going to go ahead and guess the majority of your audience is women. It is now. I think you should give the people what they want. As it relates to what you're passionate about. You just have to find what are the things that my audience loves and that I love.
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There you go. Well, speaking of which, how can people follow you? What's your guys' Instagram?
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CaucasianFishDaddy. You should think about changing yours. I only say this because now that you're a public figure and you're a little bit famous, you want to be easy to find.
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So Caucasian fish daddy isn't going to work? No. You can do whatever you want.
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Listen, you were giving a lottery ticket and now it's up to you what you want to do with that lottery ticket.
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You'd be doing the same thing.
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kids college fun do it do it your way but do it that's the hard part is like trying to maintain your own identity while leaning into this yeah do otd outfit of the day i remember me turning down a handful of things because i was like thought i was like too good for it or like no one like you're gonna do that underwear and deal nick It would have come and gone.
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I just passed up on some real amazing opportunities because I was trying to impress people I didn't know.
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If I was like, oh, I want to go follow Taylor, I just don't know if I would type in Chinese Disco Baby.
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Yeah, you type in Taylor Crosby.
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Thank you guys for coming, and thank you guys for listening. Don't forget to send in those questions at asknick at thevilefiles.com for all things Ask Nick and texting office hours, and we will see you back tomorrow. Bye. Bye.
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Well, as your dad loves to point out, and I loved how you said it was his favorite joke, but he clearly has a lot of money saved up for the wedding he didn't have to afford. So now he can just buy play tickets.
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I love that you said that like it's his favorite joke. I imagine every time it comes up, he tells that joke.
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So you guys have been married for how long now?
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Okay. What is it like to try to start a marriage and protect that marriage all while trying to also protect the show that you're on and hide it from the real world?
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It was a fetish. Oh, you saw the mustache.
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Honestly. I donated my hair. Natalie was like, we dig the mustache.
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He pulls off the mustache. I appreciate it.
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It made you not to bring up celebrity doppelgangers on Love is Blind because we know that's a big. That's a no-no. But you're out of the pods now. You're both hot. So it's fine. It kind of gives Chris Evans with a mustache.
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But other than that, like... When you say bi-coastal, are you guys living apart at times? No, no, no. We so... No, no, no, no, no, no. We're so funny in love. We're so funny in love.
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Lower class. Oh, yeah. Captain America. Did you say that? When I was The Bachelor, I was commonly referred to as the Walmart Ryan Reynolds. I got Walmart Glenn Powell. I was like, Walmart? I see it, yeah. Walmart. Can we get Target? That's great. Because had Chelsea said, I'm the Walmart Megan Fox,
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At the reunion, Taylor graciously gave you most of the credit for your glow up. She better. Well, we all thought this was a direct result of you being a married man and having the woman's touch. The woman's touch. Because you're giving woman's touch. She's wearing my clothes right now. right now. All right, fine. Explain the military haircut that you chose to go with Love is Blind.
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I say this as a middle-aged man who still has his hair, but is very like, it could go any day. You never really know. And you have a beautiful head of hair, and I think it's disrespectful to men and hair for you to be able to grow that and show what you showed on television.
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It feels like, yeah, I feel like that's how things start in good faith.
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But it's also a fine line, though, too, right? What? Devil's in the details. You're a lawyer. You know that, right? Yeah. It's just like if it doesn't, unless it happens on camera, we don't care about it. Well, it.
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Yeah. Like TJ for sure. Well, I think when he said, because TJ's talks, we can get into TJ, but I think they both have their flaws.
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And this is the thing that Maddie was really upset about in the beginning of the reunion. Yes.
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Whose expectations are you trying to meet? My own. Okay.
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I imagine you also didn't want to talk about something.
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We just ask that question a lot. It's a fun, loaded question. It's interpreted however you want to interpret it.
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So I guess where where would you like? I mean, it sounds like you kind of came in with like I've been in your position before in the sense that I had been nervous about an appearance and maybe an anticipated appearance where I felt like I needed to maybe address or at least wanted to address certain things. And I kind of like replayed that conversation over and over and over in my mind.
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Can I come to Will's defense for that? It's just like, I'm a dick to some people and nice to others. Just because I don't like you or whoever you are... Doesn't mean I haven't been nice to other people.
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It's just funny when one person decides, like, how the world treats me is how, I guess, apparently.
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and things like that. So to that end, what are the things that you hope when we get done here, what are some points that you hope to at least address and cover?
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So how did you end up in the show in the first place?
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I mean, for the critics who are listening to this now and saying, well, why didn't you just go to the reunion and plead your case there with all your peers and give them a chance to respond and yada yada, what would you say to that?
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Is that how you guys started dating or did you find out like after the fact?
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And it almost sounds like you're not even sure if you even have the opportunity to come back if you wanted to. But if you did... Where do you stand if you were given the opportunity to put water on the bridge and come back to season four, even though you didn't show up?
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Yeah, no, you're definitely, I think, you're the exception, not the rule if you are in a relationship.
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I mean, Spencer and Heidi might be the only couple that's really made it. Amanda and Kyle. And they've gone through the ringer. And honestly, I don't know how they make it.
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but uh that's super weird I mean listen I get it like people cheat there's rumors circulating about all types of people blah blah blah blah blah and like it's like the age old question right like if you have a friend and you've heard a rumor about infidelity between you know two people who are dating like do you say something or do you not say something, right? That's always like a debate, right?
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And like, unless it's like cold, hard evidence, you walked in on it.
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My point is like, it's not even like, you know, there's a lot of opinions about whether you should say something or not for the, for the people who would argue, right?
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right but for the people who say you know you should say something and i think there's a time and a place where like you know what i think the truth needs to prevail fucking just put it out there it might not be received well it might you might burn some bridges by you just speaking your truth but like sometimes maybe the truth needs to get out but there's a difference between doing that and like fucking making it your fucking mission and your whole life and becoming invested in the story and like making sure that whoever you tell believes you it's just like wait what what
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it's crazy like how do you who gives a fuck well then it's like who are you other than the fact that you've attached yourself to this and it just becomes really weird and people do i mean brad's not the first person in the world he won't be the last either their whole existence about like making sure other people believe some kind of rumor that has nothing to do with them i don't know why yeah that's also not true and has never had a single receipt
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Even if they did come to you. I'm just saying. The difference between asking a question and being like, hey, babe, what's up?
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Oh, and the girls were laughing. Oh, my fucking God.
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I kind of, to be honest, keep forgetting who Mia and Grace are. Oh, my God. Grace is iconic, though. Grace is iconic. I don't know if I'm going to let that one slip. Maybe she is. I just don't.
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Maybe I'm just going back here, but the scene where you got really upset and maybe about you didn't take shifts.
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It seems like you guys have been the center or at least part of the drama of the cast and Sometimes it feels like maybe the drama makes sense or maybe like you say something you shouldn't say or yada, yada, yada. Or sometimes it does feel like maybe like you guys are like just like a target of the rest of the group. It does feel like sometimes.
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And the big alleged crime that you may be getting commissioned? No, I'm not. Yeah, using her affiliates link was the thing. Oh, I might just be getting commissioned off of... That would have been a good idea. I mean, like, I don't see him seem stupid if you didn't.
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Your friend should have been like, girl, get your fucking bag.
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But that's all the more reason why I would have the exact response that you have, which would have been like, I don't know and I don't care, but like, huh?
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And if you don't come back, she's going to be... Fighting on her own. Brad's going to be like, you said I was evil.
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Were you worried about your peers making fun of you for being on the show?
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Maybe you guys can clear some things up for me, but it's my understanding that Joe was blackout drunk. Yes, he was. And that no one's disputing that.
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I see where you're going. And I just don't know why we're having a conversation at all about this topic, given that one person was blackout drunk. Yeah, just wasn't.
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And that like the fact that TJ is like pushing this narrative when Joe's like, listen, I don't know what happened. Maybe something happened. Maybe something didn't happen. But I don't fucking remember. And if like, sure, I don't know what happened. But it seems on the reunion, like TJ, you know, is obviously very emotional.
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whether he had a girlfriend or not, he's blackout fucking drunk. And why is TJ able to victimize himself when like the real question is, is like, what the fuck were you doing?
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TJ's in here crying. It's all fucked up because of his feelings. I think it kind of goes. You went out with your friend. He got blackout drunk. Something happened. He doesn't remember. You tell everyone about it, which is like. I don't think you're off.
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I just I'm just like very disturbed by like what's being ignored versus like the narrative TJ is pushing and how it's it's such a it's such like a difficult I think it's because like I you know, it's hard.
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And I was curious, as you guys, you guys know the situation.
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So, and you would say you're not friends with anyone at this point?
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Do you think you guys have bonded over these false allegations?
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Where do you think she's going to stand with Brad? Yeah, no, me and Maddie are going to be... Do you think Brad's going to get his next season? I mean, I hope so.
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But I mean, even just if we're just talking pure TV...
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You know, I'm just saying, like, I mean, shit, you got half your cast, like, coming up with storylines for the sake of storylines. Well, there is a storyline now, and one of those storylines is one person in the cast is making up storylines to hurt other people. To ruin other people's lives.
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I mean, honestly, like rumors about you or other people that are involved, you, it really, you know, for all the people who misuse the term gaslit, it really fucking like, that's on the nail on the head of gaslit.
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It's also tough, too, just because I imagine you guys have spent the past hour and how many minutes defending...
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Yeah. And then, you know, Emmy, I'm reactive. You are definitely, I objectively speaking, you probably don't do the relationship any good because your peers seem to know that if they have rile you up, you're immediately good television. Like if you see a preview and you're having one of your, Oh, you know, things that you do. Um, I'm, I'm, I'm locked in. I'm like, Oh shit. All right.
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you know rumor this or rumor that but like you you know like every couple i mean you guys have i'm sure your relationship problems i don't know i'm sure shit has happened in your relationship and it's like a weird thing because everyone knows no relationship's perfect and you're sitting here like well that didn't happen and this didn't happen and that's not true if we were to be honest about any other issue then it does that get piled on to the fake ones or is that right
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It does put your outbursts into context, but that's why it's like, it's like your, your, your freak out seem to come from you having like this, like this. Oh shit moment. It's not about Will. Mic'd up realizing like, Like, oh, I see how... Like, it is an ambush.
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I couldn't do what they do. I'm not even willing to do what they do. And they are professionals. And there's hazard pay, so to speak.
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It's almost like you have to separate the person and the character. And you have to be okay with being the character and then allow people on the outside world to not know the difference.
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I mean, it does kind of feel like, yeah, that this is where you guys are at in life. Yeah, this is life. You're in law school, you're working at a bar, and then the show's being filmed in this moment in your life. And it seems like the show has been able to
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just he's disregarded emmy he doesn't you know like you have this you got law school and really kind of taken almost like this legally blonde kind of like you know you're in law school and you have the you've planned out your guys's life yeah together and like i don't think there was a scene where you talked about like proposing or something and it was very much like yeah that you've decided i would sound pretty silly it's like a reward yeah they're like is that
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I mean, clearly you overthink. Yes, I know. So you've done a good job. I don't you know, and don't think and don't sit there and replay this in your head over and over. I'll try not to. I mean.
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Well, it's one thing I've learned about reality TV and I've been in this business for a long time is things have a way of coming around and it's always the long game and the people who do make TV, you know, they know what they're doing.
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And even if it was the last scene in the finale of the prom where that whole group kind of bizarrely followed you and ganged up on you while you guys were supposed to have this like one-on-one conversation with the...
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with austin i really think painted a picture of what the real dynamic of this relationship is and you know don't know what holds the future for you on this show sounds like emmy you're back for sure but like things have a way of um flipping itself on its head and maybe bradley or tj might have to be in a different position
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Well, thanks for showing up for this. Yeah, of course. We appreciate it. Thank you guys for listening. Hope you guys enjoyed this episode. We'll see you tomorrow.
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Okay. There seems to be like a lot of things about your guys' relationship that feels untrue or unfair as it relates to some of your peers and castmates have directed towards you guys in the relationship. However, it also seems like there's also things that maybe have happened or like that may have some truth to it that maybe like almost like puts you guys in a bad.
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It's like if one thing's true, then they must all be true type of thing. So maybe let's address the things that like maybe you guys have had to work on.
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Uh, or maybe things that you've had to apologize for as it relates to maybe how you guys have treated each other. I think maybe the criticism that's directed your way sometimes is maybe like things you may have said behind Emmy's back. How much of that is accurate and true?
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So it wasn't like you were going around town just like holding up a poster or being like, if you want to hear some shit about Emmy, I'm the guy to talk to. This was a isolated one-off venting session.
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There's definitely a difference between like talking, venting about your relationship and doesn't, again, doesn't make it okay. Versus just like, there are people who do talk shit about their partners, you know, and there are people like, they're just not on a TV show for the world to see it. Well, I don't even mean like in a defensive way.
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I just mean there are people who like go out and just like will roll, you know, like they'll be out with the girls or out with the guys. Yeah, like I hate her. Some will come out and then like someone's like rolling their eyes about their boyfriend or talking shit about their, you know, their wife or girlfriend. I mean like, oh, she's, I don't know, she's fucking sorry.
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And there's a difference between someone who does that on a regular basis behind their partner's back versus again, like sitting down with a group, you know, seemingly friends and inventing about your partner, which again, you can still cross a lot of lines doing that. But I do think the framing is important.
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Those are two very different situations because I do, I've seen both happen and, you know, people who just like openly just talk shit about their partners. To me, I think that's one of the, I mean, like that's, you know, I mean, I mean, this is as much of a violation as cheating to me in some cases.
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Like if you're going around just like thinking this is someone who has your back, you know, and you're just like out there, just like someone says like, yeah, no, they fucking hate you versus someone who, again, who is just like sitting down with some friends and thinking it's confidence and then venting. But maybe it sounds like you were also inebriated or something.
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Have you confronted any of these people who kind of went behind your back and in turn what in your mind, again, like lesson learned, but it sounds like what you're saying was in good faith.
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Did neighbors tell on each other sometimes? Did it ever get to that level? Or were citizens more protective of each other?
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So once you graduated from high school, how did you find your way into entertainment?
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Yeah. Is that how you eventually ended up meeting Britney?
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Well, if you wear them, I'll wear them. Let's wear them. Sam, welcome to The Vow Files, man. Thank you for having me. Hi, thanks for being here. We're excited to have you on. I've been wanting to have you on for some time now. Oh, okay, cool. Yeah, we've, well, because I'm very fascinated with you because I feel like everyone knows who you are and no one knows who you are.
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You handled it well, it sounds like.
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Right? I mean, do you feel that way? Is that like an accurate kind of representation of sometimes how you feel when it comes to the public eye?
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They're very efficient people.
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So you're there doing the video. Who made the first move between you and Brittany?
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What was the thing from your perspective that, you know, drew you to Brittany in terms of like, yeah, like what was something that you noticed where you thought, you know, maybe this is more than just a one-off sushi date?
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I mean, yeah, she's been an icon for most of my life.
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Certainly we know a little bit what it's like to be in that position. I think with you, it's like a whole nother level. So I am definitely excited to sit down with you and, you know, just kind of get to know you. Cause I feel like a lot of people have this fascination with you and whether they're fascinated because they've been fans or fascinated with you because they're a critic of you.
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I think there's just more questions about who you are than answers. And yeah, that's why I thought it would be really excited to sit down with you and talk.
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Sometimes I try to do that, but there's always at least the tape. You can always refer to the long form. Yeah, I think that's one of my favorite things about what Natalie and I get to do.
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You know, I think back in the day, you know, when people like yourselves would go out and do press, they would do kind of the typical like late night TV or the GMA and like have like a five minute interview that, you know, and they have to come up with some sort of anecdotal story. And it was kind of a bit... You know, and it wasn't really a conversation.
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And I think, you know, especially with the guests we like to do our Going Deeper episodes with, you know, I always want my audience to feel like they're in the room with us.
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But you're only human, right?
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I really appreciate your perspective with media. There's pros and cons to everything, even with what we do. It's just like I come from, like I mentioned, a reality TV show. I have great memories from it. I got a lot of bad memories from it. But I also recognize that a lot of what I'm doing here today is
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Is because of that. So I have a ton of respect for that time of my life, regardless of the good and specifically of the bad, you know? So it is that, it's trying to have that balance. Yeah.
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And it's hard to do, but the more I talk to you, the more it really sounds like your upbringing, your childhood, and the shit, the real shit that you went through as such a young man, like really seems to have influenced you and your character along the way.
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They're sitting down with us and kind of actually getting to know the person, you know, like all the little things that as as humans do, like, you know, that kind of slogan when they say like celebrities, they're just like us, you know, and like, of course, you know, like we all have the same interests or, you know.
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What was their reaction? And were they excited or did they not care?
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What was your favorite thing to do together as a couple? Like how did you guys have the most fun together?
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What were some of your favorite shows you guys watch? Cause you know, honestly, like a big part of what Natalie and I do, it's like, we, we love a lot of the same shows and it's, it's honestly, we connect in a lot of ways to the shit we talk about and debate or whatever. Like, yeah. What did you guys watch?
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What's your favorite thing to cook?
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What's your favorite thing that you made that she loved to eat?
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Not the temperature, but how do you prep?
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Yeah, it's like a tender, like it's like a feel.
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Other than obviously moving to the United States.
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I mean, I don't know, hopefully it's not too sensitive of a subject, but ultimately, what was the cause of the end of your guys' relationship?
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It seems like you have still a ton of respect for her. That seems pretty evident.
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Do you guys still, are you guys able to maintain a friendship? You guys still keep in touch?
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But not right now. It's kind of given a time. Yeah.
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Do you, have you started dating at all? Like are you getting out there?
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So you moved to the States when you were 13? I was 12 and a half. 12 and a half. And I'm assuming you came with your family?
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Was she pretty chill about, obviously, I mean, she must have known about your ex and things like that.
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It felt, it felt sincere that she just, I'm assuming it more like she just paid more attention to you and gotten to know you. And if that came up, it came up. But like when I met Natalie, how, whatever she did, it would just, I felt like we were connecting and, just like I would any other person. And yeah, I had dates in the past where I didn't fault anyone, but sometimes it came up.
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It was hard not to feel a little weird, not that they tried to make it weird, but I don't know, whatever Natalie did, it felt organic. It felt like we were connecting as two people and not for any other reason.
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How did the opportunity to go on Traders even happen?
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Oh yeah. He called me, you know, both of you are unique on the show because like you're both not really from, you don't belong there. Yeah. The reality TV world. Do you think that worked to your guys at advantage?
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Yeah. Did you kind of play into the I'm a model? Yeah, why not?
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You were talking about you didn't want to be a traitor. And you mentioned earlier people maybe had accused you of using your relationship. Is that criticism the one that was maybe the most hurtful?
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Well, one of my favorite books I ever read taught me that being offended is a product of your self-importance.
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Yeah. What's your relationship nowadays with her fan base? Because they, like you said, are very protective.
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You know, obviously you seem pretty like grounded. Obviously you don't read shit, but like, do you feel like they have a pretty, you know, positive attitude?
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Where do you fall in line?
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Tom's Tom. Tom can't help but be himself, you know?
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Do you think he got a bad edit?
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The learning from the mistakes part, he seems to have struggled with that.
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That's crazy. Do you still have family in Iran?
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It's a great movie.
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You mentioned Dancing with the Stars earlier. Is that something you're just not remotely interested in? Or do you think maybe in the future that could be something we could see you on?
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Okay. No, no. It's a fun experience. I did it once a while back. I think...
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Have you seen the show Special Forces?
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Davide. What is next for you, like career-wise? Like what's your dream future look like from a professional standpoint?
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Kind of. Yeah. Yeah.
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This is crazy. Yeah. Glitch. What's glitch? Tell me about glitch.
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But they're still out there. Don't mind her.
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I always really enjoy talking to, you know, first-generation immigrants and people who weren't born here because, like yourself, they very much come with a very different perspective. And I think we do live in a time where, you know, I think even our younger generations, I think obviously every country has its problems and, you know, we don't talk politics on the show, but obviously...
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What is it? They used to call me Dumbo when I was a kid.
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Anything else you want to ask Sam before we let him go?
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I think it's just very easy to complain about what you have and the current situation or not like things that are going on here. And it's always fascinating in the perspective of people like yourself, because despite all the issues going on in the United States, I think it's still a place where we should feel very lucky to be a part of.
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Well, also, I mean, like you said, I mean, our conversation started with some real shit that you and your family had to go through. And it's like, you know, we love talking about pop culture and Hollywood and it's fun, but like, you know, like you, the things you described, that gives you character. That stays with you. That defines you as you are. And that does, that shit keeps you grounded.
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And compared to what you went through coming here, all this other stuff, it must seem-
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Sam, it's gravy. Yeah, I think they say it's gravy. Gravy. Cherry on top, you know. Cherry on top.
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We can throw them all together.
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Sam, it's been a ton of fun, man. It's a pleasure. Really appreciate your time. It really has been fun getting to know you. It's been a great opportunity for us and a lot of fun on this end.
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And we do have a lot of very basic rights that, you know, like you were saying, your sisters, I mean, like you're saying, they're essentially considered property.
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I mean, it's the same thing with, like, I grew up Catholic. You know, I'm not actively, like, going to church these days. But I think it's a beautiful religion. I think Christianity is a beautiful religion. But there's also a lot of radical Christians out there who do terrible things.
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Well, yeah, Sam, like with your given name, it's just like a nickname.
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And what was it like? I mean, did you speak, you didn't speak much English at all? How did you learn English?
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Yeah, I could probably talk with you for hours about just like your upbringing in Iran, just because, like you said, I think there's, I mean, I think I knew more than, I knew that like Iran has a beautiful landscape and doesn't have the deserts, but there's so much I think people don't know. Is there any hope from you or your family that things might ever change there in Iran?
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Great. Honestly, that is smart. Yeah. You're, you're, uh,
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Yeah. Speaking of like going back and watching old episodes, I was literally watching an episode this morning because we were recapping it. And it was another example of of James. He was talking about Kristen. He was in a relationship with Rachel. It's just like to hear him say some of the things he says about women towards women is a bit jarring. Yeah.
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that there was a reason why he didn't really want to come on and do a podcast. It wasn't like a desire to not have attention or anything like that or notoriety. It just seemed like maybe he didn't want to...
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And I think, I don't know, you know, maybe it was because it was back in 2016 or different times. I don't know. You watch it back and it's just like, it's.
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How did you, when you got into this relationship, did you have conversations with him about that? What was his excuse or reasons? And do you feel like he has a warped sense or an opinion about women or towards women that you feel like needs some growth?
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So it's less about having a lesser opinion of women. He just, you know.
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It's a very difficult position that you were in to, yeah. To not want to see the best in your partner, you know? And I don't know what people are thinking who are listening, but you know, it's, People can be very critical of people in your position, whether it's for staying or maybe sounding like you're defending his actions and things like that.
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But it's much more difficult when you're in that situation to see it the way, you know, with an unbiased, you know, like how I might see it if I was like watching a conversation or a fight between the two of you. What have you learned about yourself specifically around selecting your next partner?
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Um, and, and maybe just certain behaviors, like you talked about non-negotiables, have your non-negotiables changed in terms of, um, yeah, accepting certain behaviors and finding that balance between, yeah, like I want to help you, but like, I can't, I can't look the other way with X, Y, or Z.
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I think a lot of people in your shoes, especially people who have or are in relationships with addicts or people who abuse substances, the challenge obviously for them is hope in the sense, because if you can, and I, not from an alcoholic standpoint, but like for different, you know, For me, it was like if in relationships, if I can identify a problem, then I can fix the problem, right?
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So whether the problem's me, whether the problem's a partner, whether the problem's us, it was like, I just have to find a problem and I can fix the problem. And I feel like with people who suffer from substance abuse, for the partners, there's always hope because there's always a chance that this big problem that seems to be the center of all the problems could get fixed. Yep.
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Well, we are excited to have you. Thank you. And excited to talk about everything that is you and get to know you, obviously, because, you know, like, I think a lot of times people know you as James' girlfriend.
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Now that James is seemingly back in recovery, seemingly sober, and seemingly doing the work, do you feel like you're at risk of one day him knocking on your door and claiming he's a new changed man who's been sober for a period of time, but this time it really has stuck? And it would be, you know, it would, it would, it would be hard for anyone who, who loved that person to see.
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And especially like the last thing we want, like to find that the person you loved and you accepted them at their worst has now, I know is now better and you don't get to enjoy the better, you know, it's like that, those, that mental fuck up, you know, like how, so how do you deal with that or that potential? And have you thought about that?
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yeah yeah but that's i haven't really thought about that to be honest yeah it's scary right just because we hope is hope can be a great thing but sometimes when it comes to relationships we yeah we invest way too much in hope and we don't see i always ask people like when was like what do they do that makes you happy and then people be like uh you know it's just like but they're so funny and i i really like it when they do this but like they don't really think about
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How that person day in and day out makes him feel like what's your normal resting emotion in this relationship? Anxiousness like on edge, you know, and things like that.
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Yeah, it's tough, too, because then you're like, well, wait, I have to say goodbye to a life, too? You know? Like, fine, I don't want them, but what about my life? No, literally.
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You know, there's a lot more to you than obviously that. But I think we've always been very interested in getting to know you, especially even on the show. On the show, you kind of presented as this kind of very demure, very sweet person. Thank you.
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I heard something about that James is back DJing now or on tour.
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I mean, from a work. Yeah. I get what you're saying, but like, and I guess it's really maybe none of our business, but you certainly have the right to have an opinion about that relationship from an outsider point of view. it seems a bit quick. I understand it's his career. I understand people have to make a living, but like that is a lifestyle that makes it very difficult. Oh, in that regard.
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It's like someone who's so, you know, and I guess for me, you know, it's just like, again, you know, his history with Raquel, Kristen, you know, obviously with you, it's like, this is a man who, And my biggest criticism of him has been he seems to blame it all on the alcohol. You know, all of his problems are wrapped up in his sobriety or lack thereof.
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And it's like, you know, and I've kind of been very critical of that. But it's like, all right, fine.
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But if that's the case, gee whiz, it sure seems a little quick that you're back out there dropping beats. And we're supposed to think that you're ready to do this when in the past you have claimed to be sober. You've lied about being sober. You've relapsed multiple times. He's like a broken record.
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Do you think that's a fair criticism that I have or other people have questioning, once again, just how genuine is this person about
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But as we got to know you, you seemed to be someone who maybe was the best version of James. And I think at times, whatever growth I saw in James, because for me, I didn't really get into Vanderpump until Scandival, like many other people. I've gone back and watched a lot of the Ill episodes and things like that. Oh, you have? Okay. Yeah, yeah. I watched one this morning.
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Are you at all nervous about what he's going to think about you doing this interview? Cause I've been very critical of him.
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I mean, I think honestly, you're being very gracious. Thank you. You're being honest, but there's a clear sense that you care about this man. And there's a clear sense that you're not trying to kick him while he's down or just shit on him to benefit yourself.
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I mean, we obviously wanted to have you on and we wanted to talk about this, but it's not like you were knocking on our door and trying to be like, oh, I got a story to tell now.
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You've been incredibly gracious and honestly incredibly protective of him. I hope he actually sees that and appreciates that because to Nellie's point, like you were in this relationship and you have a story to tell and you kind of have been living in a shadow, you know?
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Did he ever in his manic states verbally threaten you at all?
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Like if we've seen it on TV. Exactly. You've seen it.
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Did it almost make it less bad in your head because you had seen it on TV in a weird way? Does that make sense?
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I'll ask you about it later. But yeah, so it did seem like James had started to make some progress. And the last time we saw you was that night. And I remember having a conversation with James, really just about like, man, it was like almost like, you know, I didn't know you then. I've certainly heard things about your reputation, but you really seemed like you had made some progress.
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And I kind of always attributed that progress a lot to you.
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Yeah. So how do you, what's your comfort level? Obviously we want to talk about that night and get a little glimpse into that relationship, but like, do you want to warm up into it? Do you want to get right into it and then, and then push it away and then forget about it?
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You have a new show out. Yay. Came out last week. Second episode's out today. Yes. It's all, no surprise about horoscopes. Our audience loves horoscopes. Love. So I'm not going to ask you, why'd you start this podcast? But give our audience a little bit of a glimpse of what they can expect. And then I believe we're going to give them a little preview. Love.
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You're going to do with us what you do on your show.
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Okay. I'm just kind of generally a skeptic. But like, how did you, because for you, it goes a lot deeper than reading a daily horoscope, right? Or just like knowing what your sign is and things like that. It is something that you really, it's a compass for you.
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You know, so can you explain to me and just the audience, like what value you get out of it and then why to you or why it should be to anyone more than just like a punchline or like some kind of voodoo, a party trick or whatever. Yeah. And that, you know, it's yeah. Why? Why is it more than that?
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My large chin and my big toe. Too much like me. I say River has my looks, but now he's beauty.
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And she's going to... What do you mean by that?
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But will she, will people respect or, I'm going to ask you a question. Would you rather be liked or respected?
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Because I definitely want my kids to be more respected. Of course.
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And I have no idea what a rising or a falling or a moon or a sun is and why they're important. Okay.
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Can you give us the basics of all this and why astrology is what it is and where does it even come from?
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And being born at noon versus 12.05, how different could that be?
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But if it was like, oh, it turns out now it's 3.56, not 4 p.m. Yeah, we might be fine.
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It seems cool in a birth certificate. Yeah. Because it's like... Totally. Date and time.
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Yeah. All right. So what's your... Okay. Give me the basics. Like what's a... What is it?
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Okay, read for Aquarius. Is that a common mistake people must make all the time?
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You always hear about Gemini's, you know, and I knew I was a Libra, you know.
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No, no, no. I sat down and like, I hate this fucking job. That was my major.
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I mean, I was smart, but I just, my brain did not. It's like, this isn't for you.
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All I knew about Libras is that it's a sign of balance or something like that.
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It's, listen, I, We're getting there. The more, what I love about these conversations is because like, I think, you know, astrology, like you mentioned, it's easy to mock or make fun of, but like, there is a science behind it. Yeah. And I say this as someone who's grown up very religious, very Catholic, and I mean no disrespect to my Christian audience members, but there is a level of faith.
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If you're Catholic, you learn about faith. And you learn the power of believing in something greater than yourself. you know, you, we believe in God and we, there's a certain faith and it's just kind of like, well, what's the difference between that and astrology? There's a level of faith in believing in something outside of yourself, obviously.
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It's like, you know, they shouldn't, they shouldn't butt heads or, you know, in a sense, because like, if God exists, he gave us the stars. He also gave us whatever ability to understand them, you know, type of thing. And, you know, for me, like I have a vast appreciation as someone who like no longer like actively goes to church and I'm not that religious.
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religious anymore but I had a really great experience personally and other people didn't like growing up Catholic as I've gotten out into the world and met other people whether they're be Jewish or Muslim or atheist like I've just learned about other people other belief systems and I just have a immense respect for them and what they believe in and the idea that I could sit there and say
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My God is better than yours, or it just felt so ignorant. And so like, I just have a huge respect for faith in general, because if God exists, like, and we don't know, we don't, you know what I'm saying?
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Anyone who says nice things about my wife, I just cry.
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An article covering the most recent miscarriage and the headline was Nick Biles' wife talks about the miscarriage. And I said to her, Natalie, unless six to 12 months will be the last time anyone ever refers to her.
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Is that. Mark my words, mark it down people. Now it's going to be like a real big deal.
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yeah yeah it's a gift though like eventually so let me ask you this like in this might get into the kind of voodoo-y type of thing but like nally has a lot of trauma from her childhood very all sorts of fucked upness yeah and you're reading her chart based off of like information when she was born mm-hmm If you were reading this, how do I ask this question? I want to be very careful.
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I asked this question. What part of it is like, what did you say? The, the planned destiny or something versus like, you know what I'm saying? I don't want to suggest it's like, oh, it's something's in your, this house and some bad shit's going to, it's like, you know, how do you grapple with, with that? You know what I'm saying?
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Or is it like, did that bad shit happen because of my chart? Almost in a way.
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you're in your motherhood journey but like when you were a child you still had your moon in the fifth house which can look like mothering yourself and having to like heal your inner child that's spooky isn't it crazy I know sometimes I'm doing it I'm like I'm scared that is really it's fun I know you want to we like a positive spin but what can you tell us from our charts if anything about blind spots bad habits weaknesses things that we might be prone to do you know what I'm saying does that make sense
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And when you say you weren't hurt, just to clarify, was there any moment in that night where you or I guess anyone else who might have been present, like felt like he was getting physically aggressive with you? Like where did, whether it's a disconnect or perception of the situation that escalated into his arrest?
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What are challenges we might... How are we compatible with our daughter? And what AA ways we might butt heads?
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I have said since she was born. That if I would manifest it, like I want her to be whatever she wants, as long as she's passionate about it. But like, cause I'm a big sports fan and obviously I do this. I talk for a living. I could see her being like a premier, like sports woman commentator. Like she's going to like, yeah, she's going to be a woman in sports.
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Circling back to you, all this talk about astrology and then our previous conversation, I'm wondering how has astrology helped you through this experience and what have you learned or discovered about maybe some bad habits you have with like just how you show up to relationships or stay in relationships and things like that?
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I miss you. Thank you. It was a long time coming. We've talked a lot about you coming on the show. Yeah. We just obviously thought it would be in different context than when we are here today.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for watching.
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You know, it's so tough in relationships. I think all of us, you know, if you have a past with relationships, you've had your heart broken, if you've been in long-term relationships, whether it's, you know, maybe something as toxic as, you know, maybe the behavior James has displayed or whatever, you know, like we, we've all been in relationships where, you know, we accept people for who they are.
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You know, we, We realize no one's perfect. We know we're not perfect. So we get into a relationship and there's always this like, I'm not asking you to be perfect because you're not perfect. And I can help you and we want to help each other. And then we kind of maybe learn a little bit more about our partners. And then there's that tough mental gymnastics of being like, wait, is this?
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is this behavior okay or do I just need to be there for my partner? Yes. And then, you know, in James's case, you know, like for me, I became more aware of James Kennedy, the character, his reputation as it became more a fan of the show. You go back and watch old episodes and then people from the past, you know, Kristen Doughty has been very outspoken. Even Raquel has been outspoken.
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And, you know, like people like Kristen or Raquel have their own baggage. They have their own history of behaviors that, you know, at times people have used against them in terms of, I don't know if we should believe this person because they've done X, Y, or Z. Or, you know, Raquel, there's a history of being dishonest there with her and stuff like that.
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With all of the speculation regarding James' past behavior with women, is that something that you struggled with in the relationship with James? Just trying to figure out, like... who's telling the truth versus like, hey, I need to be there for my man type of thing. And is that kind of like the hindsight to 2020 that you're speaking about?
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He didn't seem to write that down. No, no, no. Yeah.
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That almost felt similar to this event that weren't public, that he was able to talk you out of maybe making different choices?
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I always kind of took, I mean, listen, I get podcasting in general can be a little nerve wracking. It is a long form, you know, and things like that. But I always sometimes my spidey senses sometimes go up a little bit when people really seem to be afraid of having like a conversation about like themselves or their lives and things like that. And I always kind of got that sense from James.
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Yeah. Obviously, you mentioned that night you weren't hurt. He didn't pick you up and throw you. Right. But like I said before, you know, and then when that all came out, I remember almost feeling kind of foolish, like not knowing what the truth is. You know, we saw the police reports.
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I had a little bit of guilt because I felt like I had, you know, pumped up James and I had talked about on this show about like, man, he's really turned a corner, you know, like watching old episodes. Yeah. Like, sure. He's done some things and he said some things, but I see the growth, you know, you want to, you want to,
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recognize that a little bit and then you we saw the police report yeah and then you know Kristen spoken up more at that point I had heard some comments from Raquel and quite honestly looked the other way I suppose because of her reputation and what seemed to be her propensity for not telling the truth yeah
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But looking back now in your relationship, and I'm sure you've asked James about some of these people's comments, but do you believe, knowing what you know about James, and now that you're out of this relationship and you can see it with a clearer lens, do you believe Kristen Doty or Rachel when it comes to their accusations towards James and him being physical towards them?
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Is there a specific moment that you remember about getting fucked over?
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We're so excited to have you. I'm so excited to be here. Especially after the last couple episodes of Summer House where you absolutely mic drop dominated.
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I have to say, I watched you on Watch What Happens Live and Andy asked about it and I really did respect your answer because... obviously like he's had some very public relationships before me and it, it can get frustrating to like be the wife of that person and constantly have like, yeah. People like talking about their, their time with him. And it's like, you know, so I really did.
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You, you were just kind of like, listen, like I've, I've,
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And then when you talk to him, he's like, hey, hi. He's like, give me a hug.
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Let's get a little bit into Summer House. What's going on with Bailey? You brought her in kind of as your friend or was this like a completely separate cast that they did?
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I feel like they set it up as like you two are besties and like you're both coming into the house because you're two besties. But y'all had only met once before that.
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Were you kind of reaching out to Amanda being like, hey, I just finished one.
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You kind of alluded, I don't know if this is exactly what happened, but like to not sleeping with Jesse until y'all were exclusive or like not sleeping with anyone else. You were only going to sleep with him. Yeah. And you wanted him to only want to sleep with you.
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Did it feel like he kind of told you all the right things? To sleep with you and then kind of that was what he wanted.
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yeah so there's there's like a lot of things where he's one person on camera one person off camera did that ever get like could you notice it in real time of like you're doing this for the cameras did you ever call him out on it or were you just like interesting
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What were a couple moments that you watched back that you were shocked by that you like didn't know happened, didn't know that was said, and you were just kind of like jaw on the floor?
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At the very least, he watched two naked women and a naked man do something together. And one of those naked women put his foot in her mouth. Yeah. Which is just like boundary after boundary after boundary after boundary crossed.
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What did you make of him like laying on Sierra in the pool float and then commenting about her legs or something being up and that whole, it was the week and you were gone.
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Yeah, it's fun proving people wrong. I mean, it's been nice to see. Yeah. Sitting on that trampoline bed. Yeah. That that first time we really saw you kind of like own your shit. You were so calm. You like stated the facts and it was so good. Where like where did you learn that self-awareness?
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Do you think that maybe they got dinner or lunch a different day and they maybe thought it was funny or maybe Jesse thought it was funny to post it on the day of your birthday party?
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drama yeah I think for sure so maybe that's why Sierra's like it's a lie because maybe they didn't actually get lunch that day but he's trying to make it seem like that for you Sierra and I had a conversation and it seemed like she agreed that they got lunch that day from what
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Did it hurt your feelings at all to see the girl's reaction when he told them that you didn't want him commenting about like Amanda's jugs or whatever on like the crazy comments he puts under these women's photos? Did it hurt your feelings to kind of see their reaction to that ask?
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Talk to us about meeting the parents. Yeah. Jesse's parents. It seems like, you know, they showed a clip of him talking to West where he's like, she's absolutely not meeting my parents after this. And then kind of like told the rest of the cast that you like forced your way at lunch or whatever.
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Did you feel crazy when he kept referring to the toe sucking as a joke?
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You move from house to house, and you live with a bunch of people that you don't really know.
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I think also that conversation on the trampoline. Yeah. That showed me the real Jesse because his response, he said the first it was like, this is making me like question my friends right now. He's like blaming his friends for his actions. And I think you had a great response of being like, no, your actions are making your friends feel icky. Yeah.
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And then it was the like, well, I was going to ask you to be my girlfriend, but like now I'm not. Like, it was scary, like, to see that and then him go to, like, West or the girls and be like, I'm just trying to have fun. And it's like, you don't care about her. Yeah.
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Paige is like hooking up with someone in the house or making out with a guy at a bar. Like I don't see that in her future on summer house. And I feel like we need a, like the people who've been on since the beginning, maybe get a new, and then this younger kind of like more fun and single and adventurous.
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It might be different if you're in a house with a bunch of people. Maybe.
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Honestly, it's like they feed you to the wolves. Yes. So you had an agency in Miami and then they were like, we want you to sign with someone in Paris. Like, go see this agency. Or were they like, you have a job there. Like, go.
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give or take on a good day with these shoes on when I add my protein so I I at 15 dropped out of high school and moved to New York to try to be a model was nowhere near as successful as you have been but it forces you to grow up so fast because you really are like like you said, they give you a map and they're like, figure it out.
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And yeah, it's like I came from Alabama and they're like, OK, yep, here's a subway station, like learn how to get to Soho from Harlem. And I'm like, I don't know what I'm doing. And it really does force you to grow up fast. Did you feel like that as well?
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I think Kate Moss maybe famously said it, but like she was, I think she said, I get paid not to speak. And it's like models who it's like, you're not here for your opinion. Like you're here to look pretty. So I'm sure like, yeah, to be able to show that side of you on television and have so many young women like relate to you and take inspiration from you and you like
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But we're watching it, and then all of a sudden, there's a serious tone. And it's you and Tyler, and you're very distraught. And he's apologizing, and you're kind of speaking in this, like, I can't believe he didn't tell me type of energy. And I don't know if it was a coincidence or not, but right before it seemed like those episodes dropped, there was chatter online about Tyler...
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allegedly having children. We're like, holy shit, what's going on? How did he not bring this up in the pods? You know, especially all the conversation that you and Tyler had about kids. I think right after that, we had seen a conversation with your father and Tyler and you all about having kids. It was just like, this is not something you just leave out.
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So let's maybe start there in terms of, can you bring us into the room where I think a lot of people are wishing, why wasn't this caught on camera? How did this even get brought up? And I guess, how did the conversation go from there in terms of what you found out about Tyler's past? And then can you start shedding some light on what the truth is?
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Because there seems to be a lot of speculation and accusations and rumors that are flying all over the internet about the man that you married. And if you could set the record straight, that would be super helpful.
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Please don't come in. I need to tell you something.
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And so I remember like when you asked him, like, what do you have kids? And he just stood there. What were the first words out of his mouth in terms of, well, how did he actually describe his situation?
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Did you like reach out to production and be like, hey, just, you know, this happened?
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He reached out to our producer. Did they have any clue at all or did he...
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You mentioned you were abstinent for a year before.
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His answer, at least at the beginning, I assume you'd agree, was a bit of a cop out to like say, well, I don't want to talk about this on camera because I don't want people searching for them. And so it's like, why don't you think about that before you showed up?
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It's a great question. And any healthy person who has a past who gets asked that question should be able to point out a couple of annoying things they do that every ex they've ever had has
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brought up 100 you know and it's just it's more of a like hey these are my annoying habits they they don't aren't necessarily things that you need to i mean you could be insecure about them because they're probably bad habits you haven't figured out yet but they're not necessarily they shouldn't be like non-negotiables that like people leave you for but these are that that's a great question to see how self-aware someone is and how much they've learned about who they were in relationships and if they don't have an answer even if they're not even talking shit
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Well, she implied that it was a choice. Yeah.
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I don't think so. I don't think. Immediately.
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So at this point, are you trying to juggle between what you need and want to know while simultaneously trying to respect his privacy?
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When you tell this story, I mean, the only thing that I think is probably hard for people to grasp, even me, it's just more like, kind of like, what a beautiful story. And as opposed to like being afraid to share it, why not be proud of what he stepped up and what he's doing, especially like Love is Blind. What a great story.
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Like, I mean, you would think that even producers would love that about him if they knew about it. But yeah, why was he so insecure about that getting out?
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thing about like oh he was sleeping with her it's like what are you trying like what is going on right there's so many false narratives i mean that makes a lot of sense the context you provided i mean just thinking about as a new dad you know i couldn't imagine what it'd be like here he is you know he probably made a decision again on the goodness of his heart maybe didn't even think it through i think i don't think any guy who gives away their sperm you know they're probably not even thinking about what's going yeah women in that way yeah i think you know like they
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I remember when I was in college, like I never did, but I remember being like, I need a few bucks. Let's do that. And then I remember being, wait, like, but if I did that, like, but I, you know, you kind of get close to thinking what's the big deal. And then all of a sudden he becomes this father. The situation happens. He's asked to be a part of it, but he, like you said, he has no rights.
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No rights. No rights for to really put his input in. So what a weird what a weird situation to try to even navigate. I can imagine the challenge of like, what is my role here?
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It was at the public statement that was, like, saying how she doesn't know why Tyler is talking about it.
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Did he have any conversations with her post filming?
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So before he went in and filmed Love is Blind, he had cut ties with her.
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So right now, I mean, before we got into his ex, not even his ex, his ex-friend. Mm-hmm. I can now understand why Tyler did what he did, how you responded, and even why the show... The way it's aired didn't do you guys any favors because it looks like he is not being forthcoming. Like, we're still watching it now, kind of like, what is the truth?
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You know? On that aspect, I could appreciate why even her is also confused by how it's aired. But what I am confused about is that it seems like you guys have had some interactions and she knows... Does she know why? If she got the heads up in terms of what she might expect, once you guys talked about it, how much did Tyler anticipate this being a topic that's aired?
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Yeah, yeah. Because once it was aired, you would think that she would respond to it.
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She didn't accept that about her daughter. Doesn't seem like.
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Yeah. Yes, I know it's heavy. We do that a lot.
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Which is why I think Natalie's trying to kill me because yesterday she bought Oreos.
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What else is she saying about him? Who?
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And she knows it. And unfortunately, a lot of the people who watch this show aren't watching from a lens of rooting for love. Absolutely not. They're watching... through the lens of every fucking person's like my ex. Yep. And they're all pieces of shit, whoever these people are. And so, yes, it's a little bit of that.
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Anyway, sorry. Back to you not having sex. Oh, yeah. But that's a very interesting choice you made. And did you find that it worked for you?
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You know, I mean, I'm a little bit like that. I mean, the too good to be true stuff, the praying every night, you know, when I see stuff like that, I'm like.
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Because it kind of comes across potentially as performative. Because you never really know early on when you see something early on that may be too good to be true. We just wonder if it is.
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Yeah. For real though. It makes a lot of sense given the context. I don't even know if you remember, because we just watched the wedding, but right before you walked down the aisle, your dad was lifting a little bit. About the sun and the moon. You seemed a little annoyed.
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Absolutely. That makes a lot of sense. I really appreciate you adding context to Tyler's situation. I'm sure a lot of people listening are wondering, especially that Tyler kind of cracked that seal, has entered into these kids' lives. They seem still pretty young?
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But time goes fast and they'll be 18 at some point. Have you guys had, have you, you and Tyler have had conversations about, almost kind of similar to finding out you have a brother.
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When that day happens, if these children decide that they want to have a relationship with their biological father, have you guys talked about what conversations or what you guys will do about that?
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Congratulations. Thank you. On being a happily married woman.
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So it sounds like you were pretty, you were almost perfectly trained to go on this experiment that is Love is Blind.
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And this was after there were a couple moments of, like, I'm never fucking doing this again. Yeah, I was very sick at the beginning. She told me to seriously look into surrogacy if I wanted to have more kids. Yeah. Yeah. Well, really.
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And I feel like we got this out there, but I want to be very clear to our audience. Prior to you even skydiving or saying yes to him at the altar, you had a very honest conversation. It sounds like your mom was even involved. The show doesn't really show that at all. And it's very unclear how much you know about Tyler's situation. But you knew all of this prior to saying yes.
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And Tyler didn't know what he should or shouldn't say we can debate whether, yes, we all agree. You should have said it, but we understand why. And then at that point, once, once it came out, he was still trying to protect the kids and his friend not realizing what she was going to do. And that's why. Yeah.
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Going into it, once you had decided to do it and you got the green light and they had casted you, What conversations did you have with yourself about your approach? You know, how would you know you were going to go about finding love? And then I guess how nervous for you about whether like not to use the show's slogan that love is actually blind.
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You have to remember, there's millions of them. Yeah. And most of which are normal. Yeah. But 1% of millions is still a lot of annoying fucking people.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
Well, that was my question. And I thank you for bringing this up because we all go into relationships and we all say trust is paramount. I need trust. You know, if you break that trust, I'm gone. And that all sounds great until you like live a situation that's a lot more nuanced and unsure. And even in relationships, people admit things, people... lie to your face.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
How did you two work through this violation of trust at such an early stage of your relationship?
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
Having seen the show and the pressure that the show can put on its castmates and just the kind of it just comes with it. I don't know if I could do it. Like, I just I don't know if love is blind for me. You know, and I recognize there's so many other aspects to love and relationships outside of physical attraction. But I don't know. I don't know if I could do it.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
What have you done to work with Tyler about his people pleasing? Because it's crazy. I mean, you tell this story and what's crazy about the story is that like, He almost lost you. I'm going to safely assume one of the best parts of his life, his now wife, for people pleasing. I mean, what he did for his friend is a noble thing. It was a great thing.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
And then for him to also enter into this family when her partner left, another noble thing. But should he have done it? You could argue maybe not. His reasoning for doing it is because he wanted to do the right thing. And it almost completely... Completely blew up in his face. And then he told you, but he wanted to do the right thing. But it's like, this is a him problem.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
And an adult man, like it's crazy how even trying to do the right thing could have a great cost to it. And it almost did. Like, how are you guys working through that as a couple? Because you have seen firsthand just how dangerous people pleasing can be.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
And it sounds like you're not afraid to have people frustrated with you or disappointed with you because that's how you set a boundary because setting a boundary is removing access.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
I guess for you going into that, you know, experiment, what did you prepare yourself for? What did you get? What conversations you have?
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
Well, thank you for being so transparent about this whole backstory and providing the much, much needed context. I have a few more questions for you. It's about your castmates. But before we do, we have our texting office hours. And I think our audience would love to hear you give relationship advice to a caller. So it's time to put on headphones.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
And then we'll get to see what's next for Tyler and Ashley. And then we'll send her on her way.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
What don't you think is fair about that statement?
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
And what do you think of, do you think your boyfriend doesn't listen enough?
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
So what do you love about your relationship? Let's start there.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
The only thing I'm confused about your statement is that like that all sounds nice, but your feelings are kind of a big deal in a relationship. And then you say that like anytime you express your feelings, he shuts down. So how are you able to feel loved in the way you want to be loved if you can't ever express how you feel?
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
We are very excited to get into everything.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
Well, I guess the only thing I would say, not knowing anything about your situation, so not to compare ours with yours, but one thing I had to learn, I guess we both had to learn, is that our age gap wasn't an excuse to avoid marriage. I guess certain conversations or I couldn't just be like, well, I'm, this is who I am and I need you to accept where I'm at in life.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
I like, I was like, I'm going to choose to be in a relationship with someone who might have a different background or a different point of view on life. And I couldn't always expect Natalie to meet me where I was at. And vice versa. You know, we had to lean on more of what we had in common and then address our differences and then be willing to not use those differences as ways to be disconnected.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
The way you describe it, it's kind of like, hey, old dog, you know, no new tricks. And I'm 57. And so, like, I'm just this is who I am and therapy. You're like, you know, whatever. I don't know if he's in therapy or anything like that, but it just seems very he seems very set in his ways.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
Is he in therapy? Is he even open to the idea?
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
Well, the only reason I suggest that is just because your problem, and I think Ashley makes a great point, is like, you know, now that I do couples therapy, And I know a lot of people go in there and try to have the people fix their partners and shit like that.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
But for us, it's really just like anytime there's a disconnect or sometimes if we're in an argument and we realize, like we could either argue for half a day about this or we could call a therapist and have them play mediator almost. And given your issue with your partner, he's having a hard time articulating his feelings or having a hard time letting you articulate yours and hearing you out.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
And a good couple of therapists will allow you the space to share while he'll be watching your partner. And he'll hopefully see the trigger. And maybe at that point, look at your partner and go, wait, what's going on here? And that way, hopefully that could be the space where you start expressing your feelings. Now, that's not sustainable.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
You have to get to a place where you can do this with a therapist. But a good couple's therapist will do exactly what your partner's having a hard time doing, will allow them and find a way for you guys to find that common ground. And
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the fact that he's open to therapy might be a good suggestion, but it might be a lot easier than you at 38, trying to change your 57 year old boyfriend on your own and get him to open up. It might just be a lot easier to, if you have the means to, to bring in the old professional.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
wasn't healthy mentally and allowed um relationships to just be unhealthy yeah i feel like again without trying to we could sit here and guess all different approaches you could take but like you said like it seems like a daunting task to try to do this on your own and his individual therapy isn't going to necessarily address this because like you said who knows what he could be addressing shit he might be talking about things he experienced as a 10 year old boy and and there's so you know he's got his
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his ex-wife and his ex-girlfriend who passed. So you have specific requests and specific needs as it pertains to your relationship with him. And that's where a couples therapist can come in because you need to be able to get your feelings out. He needs to hear them. He needs to acknowledge them and he needs to do it in a safe environment.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
And hopefully that, that couples therapist will create that at least as a good place to start.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
Yeah. Um, And then on the age gap thing, is there any, I guess, advice or... My advice would be like just to not accept the age gap as an excuse for disconnection, I guess is the simplest way. Like at no point is, well, I'm just 18 years older than you, like is an acceptable answer. You guys are in a committed relationship. Like what, you know... And I think a lot of people would.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
So it's never an excuse to use your age gap as a reason to stay disconnected from your partner. And if that is the case, then you guys need to find different ways to connect.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
It's just like, now they might be a lot younger than me, but she's my equal. And, and the moment I didn't think she is, then we shouldn't be together, you know? And so if you start seeing yourself as not as your, not as his Eagle, then you won't be his equal. So,
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
It is a big deal. It's not sustainable to have them ignored. And honestly, I think if you have the means, I would say couples therapy would be the easiest way to tackle this problem. Yeah. All right. All right. Well, thank you for the call.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
I know you have to get going. I have two questions. Okay. What's next for you and Tyler? Let's start there.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
Yeah, listen, I don't even like kids. I don't even like dogs, but I'm obsessed with my dogs and my child is mine. Final question. Yeah. Which guy from your cast was the biggest surprise once you got to know him?
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
We got to talk to her. I'm worried that she doesn't want to see who Steven really is in order to protect herself.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
Talk about stealing an opportunity from someone.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
But then he went online and the first thing he posted was trying to paint himself as a victim. Yeah. By basically saying, oh, people are going to like, I don't know, it was very big.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
Yeah, it's like, no, you're a fucking liar.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
All right. Ashley, we really, really appreciate you taking the time. We know you have to go.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
Yeah. What do you know about that? What's your take?
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
Yeah. My big question with Alex is... Why didn't she pick up her place, like, at all?
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
How does someone like Tim and Alex end up together? Because they look like they could not be more opposite.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
Well, thank you for coming. Thank you guys. Thank you so much. We wish you guys the best of luck. Thank you. Hopefully we'll get a chance to meet Tyler in person. Yeah.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
Did you have any connections with anyone else prior to really landing on Tyler?
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
We are recording this prior to the finale being released. We are very excited to have you here. One, we just obviously, like many fans, fell in love with you and your relationship watching you on your journey.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
It's interesting thinking about the psychology of that atmosphere and having never done it, but like hearing you speak about what your life is like leading up to it. You know, you had this year of kind of enlightenment, abstaining from sex, very centered around getting to know yourself, a very deliberate year. And it sounds like you really got out of that experience, what you hoped in that.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
And it sounds like you felt like you could truly be yourself. And it's interesting that, to hear you speak on Tim, how the person you got to know outside of the pods is not who he represented inside of the pods. And I'm curious, I would be willing to bet there's probably a fairly even mix from not just Tim or yourself, But there was a lot, I think, is that true?
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
There's a lot of people who you got to know and you're like, yep, that's who I got to know. Or even some of the ladies you got to know versus other people where it's just like, wait, what? And I can't help but wonder, it seems like that type of environment would be very good at allowing people to kind of not be themselves in a way.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
To kind of like play a character in this very weird world if they weren't truly comfortable with who they were. Like it seemed like you were, especially given the year leading up. Am I making sense?
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
A lot of people go there claiming to want to find love, but in reality, what they're doing is going there to find themselves. And you had spent the year prior to that finding yourself so that you were actually ready to find love. And maybe Tim was just there to find himself.
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E879 Going Deeper with Carl Radke
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E945 – Going Deeper with Dakota Mortensen
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E945 – Going Deeper with Dakota Mortensen
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And you were abusing drugs the entire marriage?
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Does it hit you a little harder now that you have your own son?
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Do you have, and maybe this is something that like you'll use whenever it gets a little bit older, but like advice, I think for any parent, one of their biggest fears is like, I hope my child doesn't grow up to become a drug addict. Like, how do I keep, there's like the scare tactic.
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E945 – Going Deeper with Dakota Mortensen
There's like, how do you think from your perspective, like parents should go about keeping drugs out of their children's life?
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E945 – Going Deeper with Dakota Mortensen
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E945 – Going Deeper with Dakota Mortensen
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E945 – Going Deeper with Dakota Mortensen
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E945 – Going Deeper with Dakota Mortensen
I mean, there's just obviously there's a lot of there's still a lot in there, but, you know, I don't think you feel like you're in a place now where you can like be maybe around some of those guys from your childhood and like set that boundary or you kind of like, I don't even want to go anywhere near that.
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E945 – Going Deeper with Dakota Mortensen
Like, do you feel like you can set those boundaries? Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, say you go back and you're like, should we? Like, do you feel like you're in such a good place where you'd be like, yeah, I don't even want to.
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E945 – Going Deeper with Dakota Mortensen
How soon into the relationship did her arrest happen? The big fight at the house?
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E945 – Going Deeper with Dakota Mortensen
I mean, she was throwing the chair at you, which almost hit her chest, right?
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E945 – Going Deeper with Dakota Mortensen
So you were videoing her kind of going off the rails.
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You were? Yes, very close. Did it ever cross your mind to be like, hey mom, how cool, I found this thing that my knee stopped hurting and-
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E945 – Going Deeper with Dakota Mortensen
On the drive back to the party, were you provoking her a little bit of being like, why would you leave your keys? Now I got to drive all the way back.
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E945 – Going Deeper with Dakota Mortensen
It's kind of like if a doctor would prescribe this to someone, like, can't be that harmful.
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E945 – Going Deeper with Dakota Mortensen
Which is 100% valid. This is my history. I don't want to be around this.
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E945 – Going Deeper with Dakota Mortensen
I mean, there's just a lot of... We had Taylor on. She opened up a lot about her version of this night. She expressed extreme remorse and regret for all of her actions. So I don't want us to talk about this in a way of like... It was just more so I was curious on your side and how you remember that night to have happened.
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E945 – Going Deeper with Dakota Mortensen
And you were operating under Taylor being like, I'm not ready for anything serious for a while. So like, this is just like a fun, I imagine y'all were hooking up at this time. So it was like, this is just a fun, like friends with benefits to blow some steam off.
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E945 – Going Deeper with Dakota Mortensen
Someone say lied. No, I was just explaining.
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What do you think it's going to take for you and Taylor to be in like a healthy relationship that you would want your son to one day be in?
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What would have to change? What would have?
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You also have a history of justifying your actions. So I'm sure it comes natural.
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E945 – Going Deeper with Dakota Mortensen
And what was the feeling you had when you how long did you stop for a day?
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E945 – Going Deeper with Dakota Mortensen
So what was the feeling that made you want to do it again?
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E945 – Going Deeper with Dakota Mortensen
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Do you think they see behavior from you that they're not fans of? Like, do you think it's, it can't be just everything Taylor relays to them. Like, have they, or is it?
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Do you feel like that was probably the most memorable moment you have of like being scared while in your addiction?
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
It was a very interesting time. You know, like everyone else, he was like America's number one villain. And I had no idea about Tom and like everyone on that cast, everyone bonded. And it was like, you had no idea about me. No, no, no. Oh, not the person. Oh, I knew, like I knew Scandival. I knew about you as the character, you know, but I never met you.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
And like, and we always say that, like when we talk, when we talk about people on TV, it's just like, there's an edit. Like we don't know these people. Like I'm definitely allow myself to be wrong about my opinions that I,
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
say on the show if i have never met him in person like i definitely don't always believe the edit so to speak that's what i mean by that but oh yeah okay you know since then you know like i got to know tom a little bit you know as for his strengths and his weaknesses and things like that i forgot where i was going with this but yeah well i guess the point was is this like i'm glad you can say that because that happens with me sometimes yeah it's like what are you getting long-winded but i guess and i've said this on the show multiple times like i and i'll you know i said like tom
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
I'm very critical of, I don't even know if you're friends with him, Jax Taylor.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
And I've said this on the show, so I'll say it to your face. I'll say the difference between Jax Taylor and Tom Sandoval is I think Tom actually wants to be a good person. Whether you think he is or not, whether you agree with his moral compass or not, I think there's a sincere effort where I don't think Jax Taylor gives a shit. I honestly don't know if there's a human being inside there.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Yeah, I mean, yeah. And again, I know better than you. I would think the same thing. I know him a little bit, but I know you better. And like, for example, like when I say moral, I don't think we have the same moral compass. Like I think there's, you know, no one does to a certain extent. Yeah. But you know, you have different rules. And I have different rules.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
We all have different rules and boundaries, whatever. But I think a lot of criticism, this is back to my direct question for Victoria. I think most people, even if they were like meeting Tom and they would say, you know what? I don't know. It's like, I met him. Not a bad guy, but like, I don't know if I let him date my sister type of thing. You know, it's like, yeah, sure.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
I'll hang out with the guy. He's a good hang. He's a good friend. But I don't know if I would trust. I wouldn't introduce him to my sister or a friend that's a girl. And so I'm sure you heard stuff like that. How did you process that?
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
And, you know, how much did you kind of, you know, we've all been the person who wants to change someone that wants to fix someone that wants to be like, you know what? Yeah, maybe they were bad before me, but I will turn them around.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Oh, you were? I was with him. You guys were dating then?
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Fix them. Like, how did you wrestle with those criticisms, those voices, maybe those even internal thoughts? Like, how did you deal with that and kind of get through that so that you your relationship could have a fair shot?
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Yeah, generally speaking, the internet just assumed you had alternative motives.
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No, totally. It's a total defense mechanism, right? I also don't wanna... It's you kind of making sure... I'm scared. She fucking checks me, dog. Well, that's what I'm saying. For real. What I'm saying, like, if anyone who, we've all given people second chances, right?
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Friends, people we're in relationships with, strangers, you know, people, you know, a second chance for you would have been like, you met this guy, then you find out, oh my God, the internet hates him. He cheated on his ex-girlfriend.
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yada yada i assuming like you're saying you're probably giving them shit because it's like i don't know you barely know the guy it's a new relationship and you probably you know if you listen if if you weren't at least like one eye open so to speak you know that would have been kind of foolish on your part right like you were taking a risk on a guy that maybe well it was a risk right and now i fully know now i'm like okay well now i'm fully in it he's my pain in the ass like now i'm
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So can I ask you, Tom, what are some bad habits that you've been able to unlearn?
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And you mentioned that. I'm actually wearing Ali's shirt.
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Do they know you're there?
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
I did text you like several times just to remind her. Okay.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Are you cherry picking things? No, no, listen. I'm really impressed with the, I don't like to call it mistakes. I like to call it bad choices.
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Mistakes is a car accident. That's a 360 degree different person than the person that was here on this podcast last time. But the reason I wanted to ask you that is because, you know, and on Special Forces, when we talked about the whole situation and why I think that whole thing kind of went as long as it did and perpetuated.
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And it kind of felt like every time, whether it was this podcast or Howie's or whatever, you just got like more and more heat, right? And a lot of it was, you know... And I get it like you were just whether you were trying to explain yourself or other people thought you were justifying yourself.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
We're here now. That's all that matters. It was quite the episode.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
And that's what's so different about the mistakes versus bad choices is like you were talking about how clearly whatever was going on that past relationship, you felt like your needs weren't being met.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Sure, sure. But it felt like a lot of people were saying, when you were talking that way, people were taking it as you kind of making excuses, right? So when we were talking, I remember at Special Forces, and I was asking you, can you at least say, well, I would never do this again? And you were kind of resistant to saying that.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
All right, fair enough. But I'm just saying, you guys are in couples therapy and all these things, right? And I guess I'm just curious, have you guys talked about, your relationship's relatively young, it's been a year or so, you guys clearly are connecting, clearly in love. Like, have you guys talked about when things get bumpy or rocky, how are you going to communicate with each other, right?
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And work through things so it doesn't get to a point where, not to, again, relitigate the past or anything like that, that, like, clearly you two were just, like, disconnected. What do you guys have learned in therapy to allow yourselves to be a different relationship than the relationship you had in the past?
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
We help each other, like, do the things. Because I'm, you know, again, like, not to compare, right? Like, in what way? This is relatively new, and that, you know, that was, you know. But, like, you know, it felt like you, right or wrong, it felt like, in the past, you felt less taken care of, that you seem to feel taken care of now. And what, for you, is the difference? I don't know.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
How long was that? It was over a year ago. Yeah. So it was in January.
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How did you guys meet in the first place?
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You guys ready? Should we cheers first? Let's cheers.
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So what's the future hold for you guys?
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There was a lot of speculation about how all that in the past affected, like, obviously your ability to earn income. You were getting a lot of, you know, losing deals. And I don't even know if that happened, but like, do you feel... Oh, yeah. Okay, that is true. Okay. Yeah. Are you in a better situation now? And do you feel like things have taken a turn?
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And in addition to fans letting up and less and less hate coming your way, do you also feel like life's not only getting back to normal with relationships or with fans, but also your ability to do your work or make a living?
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
That was a rewarding experience that show for all of us. I mean, that show is designed to be rewarding. And now River Rose gets to see you kick ass and win Special Forces. That's got to be an awesome feeling, man. I heard her heartbeat right after we got done filming. So it was a very cool. That's awesome, man. Very cool experience. You recently said that Vanderpump was toxic.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
So you went to it. You're kind of like, and I say this with love and kind of fun, but like, you're kind of like a... What? A groupie. No, I didn't actually. You went to a show and you met the star of the show.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Of course it was. Do you want to elaborate?
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Yeah. Oh my God. The name or just her?
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
She looks like she, from what I saw, I feel like she kind of has your eyes. Well, I think she has my mom or her other grandma's eyes because I have brown eyes, but she has blue eyes. I'm just saying the shape. She looks like me though. The shape.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Well, if you guys have a kid, you're welcome to. But I guess, I don't know if you spoke, elaborated on that, what you meant by that, or if that was just a statement, but I'm curious.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
You stole him. No. No, I'm not.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Speaking of toxic, one person that I've been even more critical than I ever was of you was your past castmate, James Kennedy, who was incredibly hard on you when Scandival was going on. And say what you want about what you did, but for me, what he's been accused of by multiple people, I think is unforgivable. And I think it's a certain kind of person that, I really don't think you are.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
When you went to the show, and someone's like, let's go to the show, and it says Tom Sandoval in the most extras, how aware of, not that I'm, I'm not trying to get into Scandival here, but how aware of Scandival were you? Zero percent. Zero percent.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Please don't compare me to James Kennedy.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
I'm literally saying, for all the credit you got, the person I've gotten to know, despite whatever flaws you may have, I really don't think you're capable of being physical with women. Uh, and clearly, you know, I felt like, you know, I had gotten to know James a little bit, seemed like a nice guy, but then you kind of heard all these rumors in the past, but you just think you don't really know.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
And then that stuff comes out and I've since talked more to Kristen Doty, but where do you stand with him at all? And do you have any thoughts and feelings on, you know, because quite honestly, I was very disappointed in like how Lisa has handled it and what seemingly she seems to cover for him in ways that I don't think she covered for other people. But do you have anything to say on the topic?
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Can I ask you, why do you think Lisa has the position that she does?
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Understood. Well, thanks for allowing me to ask the question because I know I'm sure it's not super easy.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
His critics, me being one of them, would say it just seems like every time there's some sort of vulnerability from Jax, it always seems to be right around when a new season of whatever the fuck's coming out, and it sometimes comes across as self-promotion. Well, he has been sober.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
You seem to... Even Jax, because Jax was really... Jax took advantage of Scandaval to benefit himself.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
You still have a soft spot for Jax.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
But you don't have any animosity or you're not like, you're not distancing yourself. Not this week. No, I'm just kidding.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
be there for him because i know what it's like i know what it's like when people lose hope in you and like completely give up on you yeah yeah man i'm proud of you man like you've really you've come a long way thanks and i think you know i think people are seeing you know fucking the internet's everything we're throws the world's like narcissists and blah blah blah and it's just like you're hardly perfect that's for sure and certainly at times can be self-centered and selfish and
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
So as are, but like, you know, I hate it when people like dehumanize people for making mistakes and things like that. And I'm glad people, whether they want to like you or not, or whether they want to fuck with you or not, whether they would introduce you to their, your sister or not, I'm glad they can see like the human side of you. Cause I feel like they lost, they lost that a little bit. Yeah.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
What if you would have known how would that what do you think that would have done?
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
And what did you say to your mom?
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Really? Whose idea was it getting a couples therapy?
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Great to have you guys back. Cheers. Let's take a sip. Yes. This is Tom's. Yes. It's called Tom's. It's called Tom's. Tom's Good Lovin'. Brought to you by the good men of Tom Schwartz and Tom Sandoval. Yes. It's a port blended bourbon. Oh, my God.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
I mean, therapy is better when used like a bicycle helmet rather than reconstructive surgery, I always say. Yeah. That's good.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
What's your favorite thing about Victoria?
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Now he won't fuck with seafood.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
I think there's a lot more weird things that go on in those bathrooms.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
we ended up rushing into like uh what was that the naughty pig went and just ran in there on your first date yeah we like in the craig's bathroom yes yeah and then which men's or women's uh women's yeah and then right after that the gender neutral one that's just one like you close it it's just one person oh okay yeah that's discreet
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
And did the second date start the next morning? Yeah.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Yeah. Okay. Obviously, when you met Tom, you had to hear about his past. But when you met Tom, we also had to hear a little bit about yours and some of the people you've dated in the past.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
oh do you do you care like do you care about that do you like do you care about people talking about your past are you okay which one what's wow you have a do you have more you have a couple you know you have a couple famous boyfriends no which one are you talking about wait can i get some more whiskey did you not did you eat leo is that true yeah not true so okay whiskey yeah um Okay.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Did you guys date or were you just friends? Was that actually a thing?
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Do you have other famous exes?
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Understood. Where do you stand with the rest of your, like Lala, are you pretty much kind of, that was work and you kind of moved on and it's you and Swartz and kind of no one else? No.
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Would you guys ever, if Bravo called?
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
We'll use that as a promo. No, yes. Don't care. Don't want to leave. Anything's possible, but. I mean.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Yeah, you'd kick some ass actually. She's a badass. As far as your guys' relationship, are you guys just taking it easy, slow? Like do you believe in marriage? Yeah. Do you guys talk about that stuff yet or is it too soon? Yeah, we talk about it.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
But that's what you guys both want. We're not saying we're going to get married right now. Like you said, you're adults. It is part of the plan though. We did talk about having sex in outer space.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
You guys can have sex in our bathroom.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Yeah. She was at Craig's that night too. And you guys met. Yeah.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
I mean, there's not really any real beef between you two, is there? No, I mean, it was. I guess she's friends with your ex or whatever, and she wanted to have her back or something.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
When she was here, yeah. I forgot what she said.
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And you definitely don't you to your credit, like you said, you don't I don't do that. You don't stoop to whether it's stooping to people's level or fighting fire with fire. You don't do that.
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Shortly after, you go to the show, you meet them.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Listen, reality TV. I mean, I know that happens. I know like in bachelor world, this not as toxic as Bravo world, but like, you know, if you're popular, people want to fuck with you. And if you're not popular, people will like to pile on because like, you know, it's good for their engagement, you know, it happens sadly.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
it's all good though I mean you know whatever I wish her the best go do your own thing but like just fucking leave me alone just fucking leave me alone alright well we'll end it on that Tom thanks for coming back man dude thank you man I'm glad this episode went so much different in the best possible way yeah Victoria it was an absolute pleasure meeting you and getting to know you thank you for having me you guys seem like a really great couple thanks man thank you I'm so happy for you too you and Natalie yeah
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Oh my gosh, River Rose. I wish she was here. She wishes she was here too. She's not unfortunately feeling the best, but I'm just really happy for you guys. I'm happy for you. I'm glad you were able to turn a corner.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
And you know, like as I got to know you on Special Forces, it did like, I know you don't believe this, but like, you know, it was frustrating to see you be, it felt like you were being resistant to just turning a fucking corner and growing from that experience. And it clearly seems like That has happened.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
And often is the case, like when we meet a good woman, us men, it can really help us if we're willing to do the work. And it seems like you have. I'm really happy for you, man. I'm inspired.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Thanks, baby. All right. Well, wishing you guys the best. And maybe we'll get invited to the wedding. Yeah.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Yeah. Thanks for coming, guys. Yeah, we like spontaneous. Thanks for listening, guys. I hope you enjoyed this episode. Thank you, Nick. We'll see you tomorrow.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Did your friend know about-
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Like boyfriend and girlfriend or just dating?
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
I do remember something about karaoke being mentioned.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
I got to say, I'm not a connoisseur. It's very good, though. Thank you, man. I appreciate that. And absolutely drink it. I will absolutely drink it. I am absolutely drinking it. Tom, I'm really excited to have you here. I was a little nervous coming back here. Yeah, I would imagine. I honestly thought there was no way you would come back on this show.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Okay. Like you were hanging out with Tom, you just call him up and be like, hey.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
While you were hanging out with Tom?
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
So at what point did you find out about Scandival? Like, was it before this happened?
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
How did you, I mean, despite whatever your critics or whatever, but, you know, whether people think you deserved it or not, the hate that you received, the harassment that you received, like, how did you deal with that? Because it's, I mean, it was heavy, man.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Yeah, I think a lot of people will be surprised to see you here as well. Good, we like surprises, right? We do like surprises. Do you want to talk about the first episode at all?
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
For different reasons. When I was the villain on The Bachelor, I definitely had people who asked for a selfie, were super nice, and then would go online and talk shit. I do want to point out for... For any potential haters and trolls out there, they love a timeline. You said Special Forces premiere. And technically, it wasn't the premiere. Because I don't want people to be like, oh, Halloween.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
I think because it premiered. I forgot when it premiered. But that was the day we all, the cast, got together for the first time. It was like the press premiere. Yeah. It was like the press junket for it. So that was before the premieres. I don't, you know, I don't know. I don't want people to call you guys out on timelines. If all of a sudden it was like, Oh, no, good.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
I just want to protect you guys in that department. So what was that like for you? I mean, when, I mean, I know you, so you heard about Scandival, the world hates them, you know, everyone's just like, don't date this guy. I have said things, you know, I've, you said a lot. I've said a lot. I, you know, I've, We talk about reality TV on this show. I've spent a week with Tom on special forces.
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E862 - Blake Lively’s Complaint Against Justin Baldoni w/ Emily D Baker
Had a baby, got married, just so many other.
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E862 - Blake Lively’s Complaint Against Justin Baldoni w/ Emily D Baker
We're doing good.
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E862 - Blake Lively’s Complaint Against Justin Baldoni w/ Emily D Baker
We're going to keep doing better.
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E862 - Blake Lively’s Complaint Against Justin Baldoni w/ Emily D Baker
Oh, I love you.
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E862 - Blake Lively’s Complaint Against Justin Baldoni w/ Emily D Baker
We have a huge team.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Like he was taking a reservation.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Is there a world though where like, I mean, let's, okay, let's say you set the stage. You're a single person in the, there's a guy who tries this clearly a move. There's no world in which you're charmed by it. Oh, I would take it.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
You know what I think his flaw is?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
He was too confident at the point in which he asked for the number. Because like, all right, let's, you know how everyone's always saying like, I just want to meet someone at the grocery store. You know, like, what if this was just like a guy who just like wasn't paying attention to her ring finger or what's in her cart, whatever.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
And he was just like, thought she was cute and maybe he's just trying to make a move. But her version is like, he's fucking stalking. I'm just saying, what if he just saw a person and then was thinking, I got to get the guts. I got to build up the courage to finally make the move. So by the time he did that, he was like, end number?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
He's done it a million times as opposed to awkwardly being like, all right, the other five times I chickened out, but now I'm going to finally just be like, hi, and introduce myself. He lacked a little bit of awkwardness and nervousness, I feel like, in his game.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
More like I've done this 30 times.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
be expected most likely i ran here with no makeup on i'm just trying to get some errands done i'm not looking for a date at 12 30 p.m in the afternoon i'm just not speaking of date uh recently or not too recently a few months ago uh travis kelsey taylor swift ryan reynolds and blake lively went out to dinner uh and they seemed like friends and this morning i know we haven't really covered the story too much lately because like you know it's still toxic and whatever our position ours our position but uh travis kelsey unfollowed ryan reynolds according to tmz
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vow Files Reality Recap Edition. And we got one year of marriage in books.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
It's, listen, it doesn't change, you know, everyone's gonna be like, oh my God, like, you know, maybe Travis Kelsey feels a certain way towards Ryan. I don't know. Maybe like, it doesn't seem like an accident. The amount, Travis follows like 1300 people. Oh,
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
My big thing is, like, at this point, like, despite them doing a double date not too long ago, despite the connection and friendship between Taylor Swift and Blake Lively, and at this point, the only thing that has been coming out is, like, you know, friends of or speculation, more or less rumors.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
But, like, you know, Travis has his own massive show and podcast with his brother, and he's obviously a very public figure, and he's, like, going out in the limelight. Like, why at this point involve... now he's involving himself in a story that you would think he's got everything about that's coming out of like Taylor Swift camp has suggested that like, you know, who knows what's true or not.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
But like, she didn't appreciate being brought into this like messy conflict between Justin and Blake.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
No one's mentioned Travis Kelsey.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Maybe. But doesn't it seem weird? Regardless of why he did it.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
For example, obviously, you guys know I've been very critical of James Kennedy since his arrest with Ali. Right. Like and then when that came out, we came on the show and I had very I had very strong opinions about James and his character and things like that. The last thing I thought about in that moment was like, oh, I need to unfollow James Kennedy.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
And so I followed him for, I think, a bit of time. People did started to notice. And then I was like, yeah, I shouldn't follow this guy. I don't want to follow him. But it just wasn't top of mind. You know what I'm saying? It was more like, oh, yeah, I guess so. But at this point, if it is, maybe Travis feels a certain way about Riot. Who knows? I'm just saying, it is like no one asked for it.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
No one was paying attention to it. And that was a choice he made. It just seems like almost a really weird, petty move to insert yourself in a story that you see everything about their actions has been, we don't want to be involved.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Honestly, I don't know what's happening going on, but like, and again, you know, it's just me. Like when I, I'm in the position of my life right now where I can afford to be my friend's friends when they really need a friend. That's kind of how I look at it.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
You know, especially when people are like, you know, when I feel like I can be the only one to have their back, like I can take the shrapnel, I can take the criticism, you know, like I'm good. And it seems like everything about that's coming from Taylor's camp is like, this is too, I don't, I don't really want to party. I'm just too busy being, you know, heiress to her.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Like, this is messy and I don't want this. And I guess that's a choice. I mean, again, and maybe she has a certain strong opinion. It's just a weird move. I don't know. It's just why Travis wants to be a part of the story by doing something so trivial as to unfollow Instagram is a choice.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
That is a choice.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
We went heavy. Yeah. We went heavy and serious and sentimental. So much love.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Well, you have an exceptionally small forehead, which is ironic since you have this fear of your forehead. And I just had no real good digs that I could come up with. So I just like I went with the low hanging fruit, which is your obnoxiously large forehead.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Like, I don't think we're talking about real things that I annoyed you about.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Honestly, after our second post, we were both kind of disgusted with each other's love. It was like, ugh, God, get over yourselves.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
You've always had a great forehead.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
No, it's like the real fans always show up first.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Your rider dies. They're like, oh, my God, we love you. Couple goals. Oh, I love how you guys make fun of each other. Oh, my God.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
So silly, so funny. And then the haters kind of show up. Be like, oh, what's this? You guys are fighting? Oh, trouble in paradise. All right. No, that felt personal. Oh, no, they hate each other. Yeah, there was truth behind that pain.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
American Horror Story. I did take Justin to the Armani party a couple weeks ago. I did. It was cute. Did you feel like an employee or did you feel like my friend?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
It was a lot of fun. Leslie Bibb was there. Who else was, who else, who played her?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
All the serving staff are hot models.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Can I give a little update on my diet? 2025 diet? Oh, your water fast? Well, it started with a water fast, but I'm happy to report that I've been pretty good about like almost no sugar. And I haven't worked out that much in the past six weeks. And I've never been more... Smelt? Oh. I'm just saying like... Snatched. I've had a couple cheat days. I tried my mom's homemade chocolate cookies.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I also, I crushed some Tic Tac Chewies that are delicious and I figured were more than worth it. But other than a couple just moments, like I've completely cut out like just like, you know, like Arnold Palmer's, I would go to like a restaurant and crush four Arnold Palmer's. You know how much sugar that is in a lemonade? A lot. A lot. I haven't had a single chocolate croissant in 2025. No donuts.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
No desserts. No popsicles. Popsicles. The problem was I ended 2024 eating like I imagine I could eat when I was 12 when I became an adult. You know, like the way I imagine I would. Oh, like when I can buy my own goddamn food. You know what I'm saying? That's how I was. That's how I wrapped up 2024. I would eat dinner and then I'd crush a box of Cocoa Pebbles and I'd top it off with a popsicle.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Who can win the anniversary post competition?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
That was nuts. And when it comes to bread, I'm mostly sourdough.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
That's good for you.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yes. And I'm, again, I haven't ran. I haven't worked out. And I've never been leaner and less puffy. I'm just saying if, you know.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
You don't need Gwyneth. You just follow this guy.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
You can eat meat. You can even eat breads. All I have changed is I've cut out the Arnold Palmers and desserts from my diet. What about coffee? Lots of fruit. I'm back on coffee big time. Big time. Inject that shit. A lot of fruits at night. A lot of grapes have become my new candy. Those are good.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I'm just saying.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
All I'm saying is I'm not eating simple sugars.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Thank you, Sarah.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
We have a great episode lined up for you. Later this episode, Georgia Hasarati returns the vile foul. She's in the new hit Netflix show, Battle Camp, which is now streaming and crushing it on Netflix if you want to join. But she returns. Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert. Lots of fun talking to Georgia. She's always fun and a little messy. It's always really enjoyable.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
And coming up shortly, Kelsey Anderson is coming solo. We didn't invite Joey. Can't. No. I was like, you know what, Kelsey? She's out there. She's making moves. She's potentially getting in fights at Coachella. We don't know. That's why we said, Kelsey, come. We don't want Joey. Well, Kelsey Anderson is joining us shortly. But before she does, let's talk a little summer house.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
This was a fun episode.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Schwartz was there. Schwartz came. Schwartz is the guy who's trying to find his Marvel show he wants to be on. It's just like, which superhero iteration does he want to be a part of? And he's right now just kind of scouring the Bravo universe.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Natalie definitely was always going to win the photo department because she's better at curating said photos and she is more... just generally present and mindful about those things in general and saves them. I spent more time on the message and then I kind of whipped through my photo book and I was like, these are fine. I went through my favorites.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I don't know. But I kind of wanted to see him make a quick cameo on Love Hotel. I think he's Tobey Maguire.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
And he always looks a version of 12.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Not a great episode for Jesse. Fantastic episode for Lexi.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I know.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
It was like one after the other. It was the fuck boy playbook of excuses. Jesse.
The Viall Files
E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
A star is born. She was incredible. I think anyone watching it, men, ladies, whatever, whatever, whoever you are, whoever you were dating, if you want to know how to handle yourself in conflict, especially in early stages of a situationship of what this is, just look at Lexi. Number one, most important trait, calm.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
She remained incredibly calm when being faced with a different version of her reality, which would trigger most of us.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
She remained incredibly calm. And then she articulated herself so fantastically in a way where she was like, yeah, I mean, like, I guess that's a version, but here's like a different version of that story, which made incredible sense. Absolutely. It was wild. Because, you know, you... It's a classic case where you hear Jessie's version and you're like, oh, my God.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah, that is crazy to like early on. You want to date someone. But man, like two weeks in, you're just like, I'm demanded. They don't follow any women on Instagram. That seems a little hasty. And then you hear Lexi's version. She's like, well, I don't know. Maybe just not follow 15 new women since we've been like hanging out, which is like, no, that's a totally different story.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Oh my God. When she hit him with the, yeah. Like, wait, it's, it's not your friends acting a certain way. You're doing things. They feel a way about it and they're communicating it with me and it makes them feel icky, which is like nothing. Any man wants to hear from a lady.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Okay.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
At least he has West.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
West is in there and is like.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
He's very interested in the having a girlfriend.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
yeah he's like the perks of a girlfriend he's like this is nice she's pretty i get to hang out with her i get the emotional support constantly every day i get to i get to call this person whenever i'm bothered we also get to have some sex it's a lot of fun and then all of a sudden she was like hey listen great here's some requests i need for as a boyfriend he's like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa i did not know that this went both i can't talk to women this is crazy
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I do think she is acting weird. I don't think she's, I think she's playing into it too. I'm just saying.
The Viall Files
E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Are we talking about Jesse or are we talking about Sierra?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
You know what the test is? This is real from a perspective of a man. If Ciara were to get naked in front of Jesse, Jesse would not look away.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
You're not friends. You know what I'm saying?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
My women friends that are like straight and I'm straight and we hang out. There could be another universe or version where like maybe we dated like, and I'm like, Hey, we're just friends. If I walked into a room, And like, they are a close with off. I'd be like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. Like, oh my God. Jesse would not. Jesse would go, whoa. He would try to linger and keep talking. But not, yeah.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
He'd be like, oh my God, great tits.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I was sweating in an infrared sauna while writing that. And I may or may not have also just been very chilled and very relaxed.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I did too. I love Carl. You love Carl too.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I agree, though, with you, though. In West, Jesse and West are like, yeah, they're the fuckboy who someday is gonna be a husband. We watched Lady and the Tramp last night with our daughter.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
It is. It also holds up, by the way.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Animated. Live action. Thank God. No thanks. Thank what? Animated only.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Hey, retro.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
1955, yeah.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
It's historically accurate. No, Lady and the Tramp. There's a whole... Like, the tramp in the male dog is basically... They're slut-shaming the male dog. And the whole version of it is just like, he's a dog. And he's just gonna be a dog until, like, someone settles him down. And honestly, like, that's West and Jesse, which is like...
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
As much as we're talking shit on them, as much as West got his... Basically, he got crucified last season. Crucified? West did a little bit. You said the dramatics. No, I love it. I'm here for this. They didn't stop them from doing them. You know what I'm saying? Because they can get away with it. Because we... we roll our eyes and criticize like shitty behaviors for men.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
But at the end of the day, like, like there always will be another lady who's going to fall for their bullshit. And until that stops happening, they'll just gonna, they're just going to do them.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
It's just like they're not going to stop.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
who had the most comments.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Carl is the type of man that I think Sierra should go for that she never will.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Forget about Lindsay and whatever. And then I'm making that probably was just like a show romance, but like, Carl is the type of guy that I think Sierra is not going for. She should. That she should be going for. Yeah. That like is willing to just, you know, it's not that Carl doesn't have his flaws.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
So we're both winners. It was a tie. We were both winners.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Well, and Carl is willing to lead with, hey, I'm into you. Like I have a crush. Where Jesse wants to be like,
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
No, Jesse is going to like make fun of Sierra for a while before he gives her any like attention. And she's going to eat that up.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Well, I'm very invested in the rest of Lexi and Jesse's relationship, especially after Washi Lexi just absolutely dominated. I mean, it was really great.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I'm not saying this with judgment, more an amazement, because, again, as a I'm a person who got married later in life, like I've certainly had my fun in my 30s, you know, yada, yada.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
But the level of partying these men do when they were showing that scene, like this is how boys hang out at night, like when they come home from the bars and it's like three in the morning and they're like microwaving like chicken nuggets and fries all at the same time.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Like, again, I've had my fun. I've been selfish. Me and my wife even went to stagecoach this weekend. You know what I'm saying? We're not above, like, still having fun. But, like, we still, we were in bed by 1130 on Friday. You know? Like, Tyler in Tate, Texas, like, hey, you still at stagecoach? I'm like, in bed. You know, I don't remember the last time.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I think I was like 26, 27 when like I would go out to the barge with my friends and come back and play video games and eat food late night. And the fact that like they're still doing it is just impressive all at the same time. But crazy. We were at Stagecoach and we were talking. We were talking to some people and they were like, oh, you guys going to the parties afterwards?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
They do. It was a very fun, very enjoyable anniversary weekend. But it was like, it was, it was interesting. Because you don't really know. All right.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
And I'm like, I don't do cocaine. And I didn't realize this because like aloof Nick sometimes doesn't pay attention to the surroundings. But this I found out that this particular person just got done doing cocaine after I said I don't do cocaine, but I didn't see them do cocaine. And now he was like, did you say that on purpose? I'm like, no, they were doing.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Huh?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
And there was. Anyway, so there's a whole world of drugs out there that we're not privy to. But I just don't get how you stay up that late as an adult.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Pasta.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
If it's 3 a.m. and you're partying and you're an adult.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I don't know. I'm not saying anyone's doing anything. Some people are not. But that person was.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
That's cute. Pretty wholesome. See? That's another explanation other than drugs. Our drugs, at least.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
You didn't feel a lot of like almost in a way self-induced pressure for your anniversary. It's like it's your first wedding anniversary. It's like you've had it. Like I'm old enough to know that birthdays aren't that big of a deal, you know, to not get that excited about like my birthday. Yeah. Because I have my wife's birthday to worry about these days. Exactly.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
You're so concerned about your kids getting a full night of rest that sometimes it's us parents who miss out. It's so easy to get into the cycle of sleepless nights, exhausted days, and feeling like you're falling behind everywhere. And when you're in that cycle, you know you are not showing up as expected.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Place your first order of Beam and start getting your best sleep tonight. Kelsey, welcome back to The Vow Files.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Happy to have you. I was just like, you know what? We need to have Kelsey on the show. We don't want Joey.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
How long into your engagement being public did you... Because I think people don't talk, not that I'm trying to have some sort of therapy session with you right now, but people don't talk a lot about how the winner, regardless of which season...
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
is like one of the worst positions to be in while it's airing and filming because I think the winner does not get a very similar experience than the rest of the people in the cast because they all feel like they get to be friends and they all have one thing in common against you that none of them do is that like he picked you and he broke up with all of them.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
And then you get to hang out. You know, it's like this weird kind of dynamic. And like some of the women are able to still make friends with the other women. Sometimes there's a little bit of tension. We recently talked to Juliana, who, you know, kind of echoed that same sentiment about feeling a little like isolated from the rest of the women. But like, what has that experience been like for you?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Did you relate to it? And how did you and Joey, you know, eventually kind of work through it to like find your voice to like feel? Did you guys talk about it? Did you have to say, I kind of want to do my own interviews because, you know,
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
And I have now Mother's Day and Father, well, I don't have Father's Day, but like, you know, and then Mother's Day is like two weeks away.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
You got Valentine's Day. You know what I'm saying? But your first, your first wedding anniversary, you know, you want to, It's that balance between doing what you enjoy the most, but making sure that you are making this weekend or day feel meaningful, feel unique. And I think there was a mix of us figuring out what that was in real time.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
That's impressive. Do you often stay up late? Are you a night owl?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
It's really important to take care of your feet.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
The internet things you were fighting about. Yes.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I was not talking about a little girl.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
No, when I tell you.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Like what? Have I been missing this? No, no, no.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I tend not to look.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
You know?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Those are baggy jeans. Yeah.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Now that you've been out of it for a year, out of passionation for a while and you're kind of settling into what you're doing, what does Kelsey want to do?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
We did. We went to Stagecoach on Friday. We met with our friends Tyler and Tate and spent time with them at Stagecoach. And then it got like really windy and cold and we saw Lana, which was great. And we saw George Burge, who's joining us on Wednesday, came out and performed live with Lana. That was very cool. And we saw Zach Ryan.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Thank you for saying it. Because honestly, when you're like, I love volunteering, giving back, I was like... I know, I know. And again, because it's like...
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
It's obviously very important, but especially Bachelor Nation people are just so programmed to not talk about anything they want to do as an individual to take advantage of the opportunity they were given by going on this show and to pretend they all they want to do is find love and volunteer. It's just a little like...
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I had a rumor that Joey might be going on Traders.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah. If you're at Stagecoach walking around or going to a high-function meeting, I feel like the feet are one of the most important things and highly forgotten part of how people accessorize for their outfits. First of all, socks are a great way to accent your outfit, can have a little fun with a sock. Also, you can be comfortable and stylish at the same time.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Oh, she's not answering.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Maybe he is.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
She's like, I'm engaged to him, but I don't know what's going on.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah, I think he well, he had better be careful because he's definitely Mr. Like, well, Mr. Popular, Mr. Joey. And I think a lot of people might be like, oh, he would make the perfect.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
again uh which like i know like you know bad boyfriend good musician did you see mom talk at stagecoach we did not they were all over there but like you know it's one of those things like stagecoach coachella same thing festival like it's fun but incredibly like inconvenient it got incredibly cold like it's a lot of things where you just have to be like we're having fun we're having fun while you're freezing the whole time being like we chose to do this on our anniversary and
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Jeff hates our daughter.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Jeff is first. He's just like, ugh, so rude.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah, he's like, it's too much. And honestly, if he is like me, it's not that he hates River. He's just more like, I just don't care.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Truly. Honestly, Lady and the Tramp, back to that callback, very accurate. Like, in terms of the owner-dog relationship when they have a dog. And it's just like, when we got Jeff, he was really our baby. And it was like, we got Jeff early in our relationship. It was my first dog. Mm-hmm. I really connected with Jeff in a way that like, I just didn't think I would with a dog.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
And it was just like this special relationship. But as soon as like you find out you're having a baby and the baby shows up, I mean, we still, I'm still obsessed with Jeff and he's like, we're very lucky to have our dogs. But for the first time in Jeff's life, he was a dog.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
You know, as opposed to being like, you're just a little furry man.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Stop barking! And Lady and the Tramp really encapsulizes like that, that transition.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
A lot of training. Yeah. A lot of training.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
It requires resources. It does. Yeah.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
If you guys are on the Miss Independent tour, I wouldn't. Yeah. Yeah.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Has Joey's bucket list ever gotten annoying?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Four days.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
You know what I'm saying?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I've heard nothing but amazing things. No. Yeah.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Is Joey big into golf?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
How's dad's love life? Still in love?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
that they go through the we're dating but not boyfriend and girlfriend stage like seems to be the case nowadays in dating culture?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
She's not my girlfriend, but we are definitely exclusive.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
We're debating whether we want Natalie's mom to go on The Golden Bachelor.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
We weren't there last year.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
She's like, we fired everybody.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
She said to me, I would have dated him in high school.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
So I do think she's cute. She loves a big, burly athlete. Yeah.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Straight up, straight up. Did your dad in any way at all just become ever just the slightest,
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
diva diva where you were just like uh you know we're just like as i said to nelly's mom like you know what it's like this shit is not normal yeah it fucking changes you yeah it just changes your brain chemistry and most of it is understanding like the shit like some the way people interact with you treat you it's weird and you have to change your behavior because of how people change your behavior towards you at the same time like it's hard to like not have it change you a little bit
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
So it was just more like, do I want to deal with my mother-in-law?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
She's a wonderful person. But I'm just curious. Your dad seems down to earth and normal. And we've heard nothing but good things. But like son, like father, daughter, like was there ever like, oh, God.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Stagecoach, if you're listening, we don't like the new layout. If you care what we think, we're just saying, two years ago, the layout, much better.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Shocker. Have you followed Bill Belichick's? Do you even know who Bill Belichick is?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Well, our first year anniversary was on Sunday, and on Sunday... Also, there was a CBS Good Morning News report. Bill Belichick sat down in an interview with CBS this morning. And it lets us say no correlation, no connection between us. But it just was like they do not represent age gaps in the way we would like people to represent age gaps.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Normalizing just like the healthy ones. Bill Belichick, for those of you who don't know, he's arguably the best NFL coach ever in the history of coaching. He's won the most Super Bowls, I believe. He's up there second most games in general. And throughout his career, he famously has made... journalists and other beat reporters who follow these teams scared to even ask questions.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
He's a very intimidating interview. And he's sitting down with this interviewer and the guy gets into like talking about his new relationship and they pull back. And then they, he's like, how did you guys meet? And in the background, his new girlfriend is like, We're not answering that question.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
It's just like, you're answering for Bill Belichick in a way that's just like, why can't you answer that question of how you met? Just say, at a bar.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
It was two years ago, different this time. So main stage, different place. I don't know. Don't even want to get into it. It's not really the point. Then we came back. We woke up Saturday morning in the desert, bright and sunny. Hot. People were laying out by the pool at 8 a.m. Natalie did a lot of planning. Natalie did more planning for our anniversary than I did.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
But the way she's like in charge of that aspect of their, like as she's running like a PR, like I couldn't imagine. I'm not even Bill Belichick. And the way, like if Natalie and I in the first couple months of us dating, I was doing interviews and then Natalie was in the background being like, we're not answering that question.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
don't ask it again could you imagine it's like what high end escort service did you reach out to to meet your girlfriend because that's what now the entire internet is speculating being like why don't you want to answer that question it's not even like a hard like okay you're dating there's an age gap whatever like fine you know like we like to think that looks matter but like he very much looks his age
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
She's 24. Four.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Maybe she just wants, you know, listen, a lot of what we say. A lot of it depends on looks, age gaps. Well, also like where you are in your time of life. Do you feel like you're each other's equals? Can you give the same energy?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Anyways, next time someone asks how you met, at least lie.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Like the next day.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
And then he went on Instagram.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I just want to give my wife credit.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
What same circle is that?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I am curious. What is it about PK that is...
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
What's he working? What's like what? Like I get I get Mo.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I get Mo.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Tall, sexy. Still got the looks. Seems to be pretty rich still. And then PK is kind of like maybe in debt.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Do you know who these people look like? Hmm. Bring them up. Bring them up.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Side by side.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Now, do we think these are staged pop photos or not?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Well, no, his biggest thing right now is he's the husband of a housewife who's famously kind of messy online and going through a very public divorce. And that would drive a paparazzi to pay attention.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Not everyone is staged.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
If it's a good looking photo of both people, chances are it's staged.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
What's Cipriani's? I'm not familiar.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah, if he showed up to Craig's with a new lady, that's on purpose.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
And what do we think his purpose is?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah. Sure, but what is winning the divorce?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Well, yeah, if anything he's giving, we're divorced. We've been going through a divorce. Whatever she's doing publicly, I've no idea. But in reality, we're getting divorced.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
That's the thing. He's also very involved in Housewives for a guy who's supposed to not give a shit. He's very petty.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Obviously, it'll never happen.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
It'll never happen. Never. Never. But if, let's say there was trouble in paradise, who do you think would be the messier of you two in a breakup?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Well, that's what Paige and Craig said.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah, but I feel like publicly, no. The way reality TV stars just can't just... Yeah, just literally... It does get crazy. ...not say anything.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Well, we...
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Let me tell you, season two is an absolute banger.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Season two. It's good.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Father of my child.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Well, I'm invested.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Not even baby daddy.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Co-parent.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Like they met in a science lab.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Co-parent. Nothing says co-parent like that. Like you're licking my neck.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I never hate them on the show.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Well, I would say and what I love about them is that like they are, well, more real than the average person, because I do think like a lot of times people, especially in L.A., they just like talk their shit behind your back. You know, it's just like, yeah, yeah.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
i fucking hate her and they're they just they say it to each other's faces yeah and then they move on you know they're kind of like but a lot of i mean that's honestly fairly i'm not gonna say it's healthy communication but at least you know where they stand and they kind of get through it and it's all in the name of honesty of like you know hey we're mormon we can't lie so like i think you're up
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
which I kind of love and respect, and it makes for great TV.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I've seen the whole season. It's awesome. I'm so excited. I'm still generally having a hard time keeping up.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Let's be honest.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I wonder if it did.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
$30,000 to work for Lisa?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
That sounds like minimum wage.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
But then we woke up and had to leave the desert based on the plans that my wife and our party planning person planned for us. Turns out the weather in L.A., even though two and a half hours away from Palm Springs, different. Oh, my God. The pouring rain. Freezing and pouring rain. So Natalie is in her mind thinking, this is not what I had. This is not what I planned. This is not what I planned.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Minimum wage.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Did we do we deserve the credit for making Lisa like separate herself from James Kennedy?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
But she is hiring someone for $30,000.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
That sounds like a $30,000 job. Yeah, bonus. Is it a bonus?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
That sounds like minimum wage.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Feeling like my best self finally for the first day in a while. Get the fuck off live.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Would never want to be there. Would never want to be there. That sounds so dark.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Don't log us all in with you, Jax.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
The way we the way we love her sinking ship.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
This is not what I planned. This is not what I planned.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Cities work.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Wait, is it baby blue? A city, think about it. A city could work. Madison. Paris. Paris. Countries? No. Mexico. Canada.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I had to recalibrate my wife's mood.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Spoon. But, like, some things are just objects.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Bodies of water. Work.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
River.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Lake. No, but ocean, like, Pacific.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
No, Apple. Sorry, Gwen.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
It was always crazy. It's still crazy.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Thoughtful.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah, what the heck? Wednesday?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Remember Wednesday?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
And the good people at Bombas are making sock shopping fun again.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Luigi might be taken.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
No, I was really happy to realize that after we named River River that...
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
it's actually a fairly common name this year a lot of boys are named river but like she's like it's common and it's like i don't think you want to be the kid in elementary or middle school or even high school with like everyone being like wow i've never heard that before what is your name right huh like that's you're just setting your kid up for they there's so much pressure to be the coolest kid ever
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
And honestly, our whole reason for going is just to get rubbed on. Yeah. We love a massage.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Christmas. You will never forget Afternoon.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Jojo Siwa.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
She is fresh off of Celebrity Big Brother, UK style. Making waves! It started with her getting Mickey Rourke banished. Which honestly feels like a lifetime ago.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I would say you were happy. A professional one. Yes.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
He was ignorant and giving very old, outdated man problematic.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
And then she kind of sparked up a romance that got the internet talking.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Which the internet really ran with. But it seemed like that was based off a level of ignorance. Was it not, Mary?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
No, Jesse Solomon.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
We're basically watching JoJo go to college on TV.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
And now she's playing tennis with Chris.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
No, that was Carl. No, that was Carl. And I got to say, I just want to stand up for Carl here. I just like, look. He's honest. Well, it's also niche. You're into tan lines? No, I'm just saying, why is Jessie and Kyle making fun of Carl's tan line when Jessie's like, well, I like massage porn.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I haven't talked to her. I FaceTimed her when she got out of the house. She did an unanswered in playing tennis. I hope to find out the TT shortly. I hope to find out the TT.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Kelsey, it's been fun.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Plug?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Well, get the hell out of here. Up next, we have Georgia Hasarati to update us on her life, obviously, first and foremost. Everything that's going on. She's got some crazy stories. It's wild. Also, she's on the new hit Netflix show, Battle Camp. And yes, there will be spoilers. Up next, Georgia Hasarati. Well, I think you guys all know I'm kind of fancy. You know, I'm a little elitist at times.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Sometimes I like things to be special, but it's also important to have your staples, you know, your basics, your go-to, your old reliables, the things that you can count on. When it comes to that, fancy is out the door. It's about reliability and comfort.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
And that's where true costs come in for me because they are my go-to for your staples when it comes to your wardrobe, be it like socks, be it t-shirts, be it undershirts. Great shirts for like, you know, especially when I like suit up and I want to like a nice undershirt to wear underneath to keep everything tight. True Classic is the place for me.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
They also have some amazing long-sleeve Henleys. I'm a sucker for those. Fleece hoodies, jeans, button-ups, joggers, and more. Mix-and-match clothing to work with your style. Free shipping on all orders. 100% fit guarantee with easy returns. Can't stress enough how easy it is to shop and return things with True Classic. Trusted by over 4 million customers and over 200,000 five-star reviews.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
That you want to impress, too. I think that's the thing. Sometimes you can go to a store and find kind of anything, but when it comes to Revolve, it's just like, you want something that pops. You want to make a splash. You want people to notice you. And how do you buy unique things like that? Because it's just like, where do I go? Well, Revolve, because they are curating the finest stuff.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
things and clothing.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah. What fantasy, Jessie, are you trying to elicit or invoke?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah, I don't know.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Georgia, how's it going? Welcome to the show. Welcome back. So good.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah, last time you were here, it was... Depressed.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Have you recovered from said drama?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Is there like, I mean, I think this is like a stupid rhetorical question, I suppose, because I feel like I know the answer. But like, is there like an influence-y group in LA? Like a circle of try-hards?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
And I feel like when I moved here...
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Do they all drive nice cars and pay rent?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
But then I stepped in and I found another hotel in Malibu because that's where we were staying at a different hotel in Malibu. And I'm like, hey, do you guys have some massages available? And they're like, yes, we do. Back to back.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
That's my favorite thing about them. It's like you know you're a loser if you don't own a home, but your car is car payments $1,500. If your car payments as much or more than your rent.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Not everyone.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Do you have a friend in purchasing?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Like an accountant?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Medical sales rep.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I love her.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
You know what I heard about that bitch?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
You need to date a normie.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
What does that mean? Well, I mean, sure. You might just find out they're a psychopath.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Can't do couples, but we can do back to back. I was like, great. We just want to be rubbed on. It's fine.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Do we need to unpack that?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Competition. Y'all are driving. But then the place we were staying called us back and said, hey, something this opened up. Couples massage is available for you. And it is an hour and a half after our singles massage. And I was like, book them all. Let's just do them all.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
What did you think of me when you met me? Like, did you think what was like on the chances he's a psychopath scale? Like, what were you like thinking?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I'm not, but like I could. I was judging her for meeting me. That is so funny. Being like, what is wrong with you?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
What? Were you that bad? No, I'm that good.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I feel like you guys are great, so I wouldn't see... I'm a normal person, but I was doing an unnormal thing, so I was judging her for meeting me, being like, how do you not know I'm not fucking... And also, are you going to murder me?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
It's like, well, what if I... Oh, I would definitely be afraid of Natalie.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
The only person who would do this is someone who's going to kill me.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I knew where I was doing it.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Well, I mean, honestly, though, but maybe that's kind of what you're not looking for. Like, there was a healthy amount of, like, awkwardness between Natalie and I and nervousness of both being like, ah. I don't know about you, you know? And yet we were both kind of like, I hopefully giving each other like green flags, but like we, we were like very, there was a, there was like an awkwardness.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Did you really? I love that for you guys. I just want to get rubbed down all day. I'm jealous. So we woke up. Now I got a massage while I poured my heart out on Instagram. Yeah. And had very few grammatical errors, which I'm very proud of. I am.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
But if like, if he's got a great face,
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
No matter how much fucked up a tall man is, he's still tall. And he still doesn't have to overcompensate. And sadly, with the short kings.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
there's a real there's a real uh no matter the problem with the short kings and i love the short kings i do think the short kings need more representation and i do think the ladies out there need to be open to like 5 10 but like the problem sometimes with the short kings is there's there's a true such a good there's a true like um there's an always constant like um what's the what the word of imposter syndrome yes
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
So no matter how much success they have in their life, they're like their, their, their childhood self and like their, their high school self will never really believe that like, you know, obviously you're a beautiful, attractive person. And then like, you know, they're just like, they just can't outlive the person they see in the mirror and they become insane.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Natalie went while I got massaged. And then we scurried over to the place we were staying and got a couple's massage.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Why would you accept that?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I understand. No.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Because I was obviously very. Yeah, I was like, I was.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
And then, but we were supposed to stay last night at this place. And then we ended our staycation because we wanted to see our daughter. And it felt like we were wasting money.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Are we, we need, well, y'all recording this. So, uh, we are doc. What? Like, we need to come up with some key phrases for you. Like when they say, help me, I'm sorry for saying, I don't know why I said that.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
If they don't know why they said that, then the answer is they're a psychopath.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
What's the relationship with your dad?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah. Well, it just, like, that's what I meant when I started talking about the weekend where it was just, like, again, like, there's that balance between, like, it's our first wedding anniversary. We wanted to make it feel special and unique. We didn't, like, obviously, we're very busy. We didn't have time to, like, you know, do some crazy trip. Mm-hmm.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
That must be very difficult.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I know very little about bipolar except the fact that it's incredibly difficult for the person suffering from it and obviously the people and family members. But I can understand why you have an exceptional empathy for people acting out of pocket maybe a little bit.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
unless you're in it yeah when i'm in it i'm blind i'm like you i don't you can dm us i don't know if you have my number you can text natalie or whatever but just be like hey a guy just said this to me like just wondering if quick question no um told me i was a loser five minutes later said doesn't know why i said that like is that normal behavior and i'll be like get out run
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
He split the bill with me. It was very nice.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
So battle camp.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah. Well, you almost won. How did you feel about your best friend Lorenzo winning when you had the odds in your favor?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
You didn't need the money.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
We did a staycation, which we don't really do a lot of. And we're also people who just really love being home, you know, and being comfortable. So it's like this weird thing. We went to a very beautiful place. It was wonderful. It was great. But it wasn't our house. And our house is 45 minutes away. So is our daughter. And it's like...
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
What was the challenge you were most afraid of doing?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
But like, just to be clear, you were always safe. We were always safe.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Or they're too poor. We were too poor.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Getting someone else to take care of your kid?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah, I mean, I guess a cheap version of sending your kids away to have someone else watch them for a period of time overnight.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Spell ecstasy for me.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
You spelled it wrong on here?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
You've already put an S. Did you go like,
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
One of my absolute favorite things to watch are high school spelling bees. Just spelling bees in general, I guess. It's awesome.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Wait, that's hilarious. No, I'm.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Sometimes if you read our texts, I sound like the one who's 18 years younger who's in school still.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
My brain is very good at some things.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah, my brain.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Are you watching anything these days? Are you enjoying anything as a fan?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Should we talk about our gifts first, though?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
No, you can't do that, Josh. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. It was my idea. You did it.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
You do understand reality TV, right?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
What Black Mirror episode do you think is the most realistic that you're afraid of happening?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Gifts. So, all right. It's part of our anniversary. Our anniversary is weeks away. And then I'm like, fuck, another fucking thing. I have to get a fucking gift for it. What's going on in my head?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
They mark you down. Like in front of you. Interesting. Because I honestly feel like part of the key of my success is like just being completely oblivious to how people really feel about me. Yeah. And then people kind of are like... I don't know how you show up in the world the way people feel about you.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
And then I get this a lot from people in Bachelor Nation, which is like, I wish I didn't care about people hating me like they hate you.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I recently signed a deal and I got a lot of DMs from people being like, man, like that many more reasons to ignore the haters. And I'm like, what?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I mean, like...
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
you're just not that tapped in I'm glad I honestly I didn't want to tell people I don't think you get hate but I mean like the one few times I've seen you like you're just so unbothered I'm like I love that no I don't care literally what you just said I just said well I don't look well I tell the people because they're just like well how do you do it I'm like I don't look I care yeah out of sight out of mind I care of course I care I'm a human being but I don't go looking for it looking
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
A lot of reality TV stars who tell me they think it's fun to go on Reddit and read about themselves because it's like, ha ha ha.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
No one goes on there to compliment people.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Like I came here for a recipe, but by the way, Georgia fucking sucks.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
So my sneaky ass was like, I honestly think this is a really good idea. Okay. Because, like, I don't, like, what? I'm supposed to buy you a fucking gift, and then you buy me a gift on the anniversary, and so what, we get, like, stuff?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Don't hate me.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
So what's next for you?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
An advice one.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I know, because I said, let's do a gift together. Let's do a gift that we can share.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Would you be willing to talk about your escapades in a very honest and raw way?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Interesting.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah, just come up with aliases, like short king.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
That is my number one requirement.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Look, if you want to get rich and actually work, then we can talk.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Okay.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
So we got matching rings.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Okay. That's okay.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
That's okay.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah, can we get a rec?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Pretty basic. Do you eat meat? Yes.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Natalie loves their bourbon chicken so much, we have flown to New York on a Thursday just to get the bourbon chicken.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Very good. Are their French fries your favorite?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
That's why I've never tried it.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
It's just like all the cheese on top.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Ruby Rosa. Ruby Rosa. You've been to Ruby Rosa? No one's there. Really good mozzarella sticks. Ruby Rosa? Yeah.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
That's where I'm at.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
We met in Williamsburg.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
You used to be a midwife?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
It's kind of gross.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
It makes you very unique in a group of people. Let's email reality TV stars. It's a melting pot of various backgrounds, intelligence, and things like that. But there's not a ton of people in the reality TV space who have something really going for them other than their face. Yeah.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
No, that's very cool.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
And restaurant.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Your podcast will be called Birthing Problems.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
We can workshop it.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Me just talking to people in the hospital. I'm fucking having a baby.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I know it's my idea.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Great seeing you.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Well, that'll do it for our show today. We're pretty sure we're back tomorrow for a very special Going Deeper. So hopefully we'll see you tomorrow. Bye.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
She's a bastard.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
All right, slut-shamer. That's outrageous.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Probably. Probably.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
Like, oh, it's popcorn.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
Do you have a statue of a corner of a cob that's peeled like a banana that kind of looks a little phallic? Yes, we do.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
Yeah. Then we went to the Apple store, which was triggering for me. I shattered my phone.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
First of all, they were hanging over in our yard. They have a giant lemon tree. There's hundreds of lemons, more than enough to go around. Anyways, some are hanging over. I was married. It's giving...
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
Anyways, I was making shish kebabs, which was already in an epic fail. Natalie hated it. I really failed dinner.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
I don't want to talk about it. Natalie was like, I guess I'll have cereal.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
It didn't land. It was like in Southern hospitality. It was slightly decided it wasn't cooked. It was fine. It was more than fine. It wasn't my best work, but...
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
the rice was all wrong so in the process of curing two lemons i shattered my phone like shattered like it was like it wasn't like the screen was it wasn't it wasn't even shattered it was just like glitched like you know like he didn't break the screen but like the whole screen was green yeah it was giving technical difficulties oh my god technical difficulties so in the morning night i decided to go to the apple store i had some laptop issues i figured you know what let's just go and
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
But I wasn't sure about like how messy could Grant get? You know, I wasn't sure. And then obviously, you never know with the women they cast. That's really not Grant's job. And who knows? They're not really ever casting for The Bachelor. So you never really know. Here's why I'm optimistic.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
I had some old earbuds that I needed to hopefully replace as well. And we went there early. And then I was like, oh, it turns out the night opened till 11. We left at 10. So let's go to Home Depot and have some quality time. Home goods. Home goods, whatever. And then so we promptly got to the Apple store. I got to the Apple store at 11 o'clock.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
As soon as they opened up, there was like me and three other people. There was no one there. It was raining. Finally, it rained in LA, by the way. Yay for all of us. And then I'm like, hey, I need to buy a phone. No problem. They're quick to help me about that. Buying anything. No problem. Tons of people. Hey, I have also, I have my laptop and some stuff. I have some help.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
I'm like, oh, well, do you have an appointment for that? I'm like, no, there's like three people in the store. Well, I guess, you know what? We can help you out. As if they're doing me a favor. Meanwhile, there's also a guy on a microphone yelling out. Being like, all right, the workshop starts in five minutes. There's three people in the fucking store.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
And he's on a microphone yelling to the whole store. Well, I'm just trying to get some help for my laptop and my phone and my earbuds. And then they made me an appointment for my laptop. And then...
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
sort of like oh well it's your charging cord i'm like great can i get in because i got the laptop like six months ago yeah like let's see if it's under warranty but we have to like book an appointment for that to like see if it's under warranty like i guess anyways i had the appointment and they're like what about my airpods like do you have an appointment for that i'm like this isn't my appointment no you have to book a separate appointment for that i'm like huh i'm like about to lose my fucking mind derek worked at a apple store i don't know how he did it i don't know what's
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
Which one did you go to? Was it the Grove? The one in the Americana? I don't know. Anyways, but they're like, oh, good news.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
No, your computer is under warranty and we can replace your charging cord. Oh, bad news. We don't have that replacement cord in the color of this one. So we can't give you a new one here. We can ship it to you. And I'm like, well, I have no other way to charge my laptop. So I thought, by the way.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
Yeah, apparently a different color. So I'm like, well, I guess I'll just have to buy one because then I thought I was going to get a different color. No, I got the same color, but that one's available for purchase, not for the replacement.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
I'm losing my mind.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
Then while I'm getting my new phone and uploading it, my computer is at 1%. So I'm like, hey, do you have any chargers for this laptop? Now, I got one of the new laptops. And you know how every six months, Apple changes all their chargers? Hate it. And, like, my old laptop had the two USBs. And then, like, remember the one that had, like, the magnetic charger?
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
I'm super optimistic because I've always said if The Bachelor could pull this off, it would probably be one of the best seasons of all time. And if you guys saw the super tease, now the super tease, hard to trust sometimes.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
That's one mine has now where it just kind of breaks away. Well, turns out my computer charges both ways. I never knew. And they, the guys who sold me the new charger, never fucking told me. But this other guy's like, oh, you can use this. I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? This is after I spent $50 on a charger that is under warranty that they told me they couldn't sell me this one.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
what's going on everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of the vile files reality recap edition i am your host nick and i gotta say i'm very optimistic about this bachelor season very i'll get into it momentarily we have an amazing episode lined up for you obviously we'll break down last night's episode of the bachelor premiere with grants Journey of Love is now kicking off.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
I was about to lose my fucking mind.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
He's like, are you mad at me? I'm like, a little bit.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
No. Now I'm like, now I hate you. Now I think you're an asshole. And I hope that the rest of your life is nothing but misery.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
It was triggering. It was really, really, really fucking triggering.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
because you know they really are you know specifically around the drama so like it does seem dramatic but at the very end boy they were like I don't know how that's edited to the point where like most of it's not true and that at the end was assuming it's Grant talking to his dad I believe that was his dad uh huh
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
That should, though. It's the gas stations. You know, the DMV is run by an inefficient government and like whatever. Like Apple is like richer than most countries. It's the richest company in the world because they're pricks.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
If that were to happen to me, I'm digging my feet in. I'm not leaving. That's not true.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
Your follow through, Justin, is really... It's impressive. I aspire for it. Yeah, it's really great.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
Not good, I don't think.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
I mean, it seems like an ongoing saga that this family obviously faces constant turmoil and a lot of sadness. I don't, you know.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
It's a sad situation.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
Yeah.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
Never really got into it. I didn't really even get into the screams after like Scream 1. But it's my understanding of the scary movies franchise was first was based off the Scream.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
Are they scary? I think Joel McHale was cast in the most recent scary movie. I knew that just because I'm a fan of his. Any other reasons why we're excited about it?
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
also talking to Jesse, where it's just like going into the final date, like Grant doesn't know who he was going to pick to the point where Jesse's like, hey, you need to decide because they bring the person you're not going to pick first. And it's just like, he's like, I don't fucking know. And like, if that's how it plays out, it's going to be good. It's going to be juicy. It's going to be messy.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
Love a dick joke. In the spirit of since everyone responded to my losing my mind over the Girl Scout cookie.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
people had opinions i had one but i came up with i i have a new like fun segment i want to do daily dilemma leia came up with the title of uh random uh family saga stories where there may or may not be a debate to be had uh this week's edition is wedding themed uh leia can you read that headline
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
So who's the biological parent here?
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
Damn. That's dirty. Who's paying for it, though? Is it the stepmom? Or, like, who makes the bucks, man? Because...
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
But when did they get married?
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
That's kind of what I'm saying. If this couple got married three years ago or something and the mom her whole life has been saving up for her daughter's wedding.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
Yeah.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
Because, you know, if we all love the women in his final two, then like we're going to feel bad for one. It's going to be kind of awkward. That's going to be great. What if we love one but hate the other? What if one of the two finalists are the villain of the season? That would be epic, right? Like lots of good possibilities. Anyways, very optimistic about this season.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
Bad dad.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
You know, all of the girls now.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
Either way, I think I'm team mom. I think it's a bad dad story.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
Maybe there's no mom.
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There's a lot of step kids out there who are not happy.
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Yeah.
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Absolutely dirty John. Would you get married at a Chuck E. Cheese? I already did.
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Ooh.
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uh yeah well what she has in an april fool's joke right or something about a wedding package about saying like yeah there's a wedding package and then basically a couple had a wedding at 8 a.m out of chucky cheese for 800 8 a.m that's early risers to go to that wedding yeah but like she opted out like what the what i found fascinating about the story is like because she was going to have a different more expensive wedding at a different more expensive pizza place
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Pick the cheapest one and the one you can have more fun.
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that's cute that's awesome i think they nailed it i'm sorry no it's definitely you can't if you're not if you're uh if your sister-in-law uh doesn't own a beautiful animal farm where you can have a yellowstone themed type wedding go chucky cheese you know legit though like yeah that's what we would honestly it was like that or chucky cheese yeah so i would go margaritaville
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What do you all think of night one?
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yeah well uber's like sorry parents you're too busy not parenting your kids let us let strangers strange man take your kid to soccer practice so it's like a teen account connected to the parents account so i think it's you could assume it's a more safer so they're letting the the drivers know that a minor is about to enter their vehicle they're giving the heads up
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Yeah, that's what it sounds like. You're trying too hard, Uber. Yeah. Hey, parents, just parent. Uber. Be involved with your kids.
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Your permit test? No, that's as an adult. No, when I was 16. No, the written tests in California are bullshit. And it's like, they're complicated questions. No, my first driver's test. It was a four-way stop, so I thought.
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Was it three?
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I paused, and then there was a car coming. And then the driver's like, yeah, there's a car coming. You failed. But then the second time, I only got one point off.
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I was about to go, and I would have made it for sure. But the instructor told me to stop. And since they had to stop me from going, I guess that was an automatic fail of some kind. I don't know.
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It was more than three. I wanted Grant to just make out with every single one. I was like, pour it up.
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Why? Okay.
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You tried to pass that test.
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I'm 16 because I'm scared. You know, it's not going my way. All right. Coming up shortly, Robin from Traders, who was one of the two that was voted off. We are excited to talk to her. But first. For all of you, and we'll spend a brief amount of time on it because it has gotten real toxic out there. Guys, we are very much obviously in the minority when it comes to the Blake and Justin.
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Yeah, which is crazy. Colleen Hoover had to deactivate her Instagram. She's being harassed and bullied so much. A friend of show, Liz Plank, Justin's former co-host, one of many people who has separated herself from Justin, also getting harassed and bullied online. But anyways, yeah, it's getting real toxic out there.
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which I think we were kind of surprised about, just because obviously you guys know, you're aware of our opinion on the case, but if you were on the other side of things, it was just shocking. People are literally sending Natalie threats, which is also interesting because no one's sending me those threats.
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I mean, I see people like trying to like discredit our, you know, because like one of the few shows out there like who are not Team Justin, like a lot of like the army of Justin influences are like, you know, definitely coming for us, which is always funny and fun.
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There were five kisses, by the way. I don't think Ally Jo is going to be the villain. I think she's going to have an early exit.
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But I will say I did talk to some people over the weekend and I got a better understanding of where the Team Justin people are landing and why they're landing and why there may be such vitriol if you are Team Justin. My friend went to a dinner party and overheard a group of women talking And they were very much anti-Blake, right? They were making some wild comparisons.
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I think the general theme of this group of women, the why they thought about Blake, according to my friend, was they think she's lying.
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They think she's making this story all up, which I do think that's the one thing all of us can agree on, that if Blake is just falsely accusing this man and making up stories, that would be like one of the worst things someone can do, given like just the damage of what it does to real victims out there. And then I got a phone call from a friend whose opinion I really respect and trust.
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It was a work colleague and acquaintance, you know, haven't heard from in a while, but do very much trust their opinion. And they were not team Blake. I will say the people I did talk to, though, however, acknowledge that most of the information she is getting or forming her opinion around is just watching clips online. She's like, yeah, I didn't listen to your show. I'm like, that's fine.
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So it is a bunch of online.
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Unclear. I think she's reading like a lot of people, you know, because a lot of creators covering it and they're posting clips of the complaint. So I don't think she sat down and read all the complaints, which I have done.
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But I think her big takeaway is she said she was in Blake's camp at first, and then when this video came out, that kind of changed her opinion in a sense that apparently after watching this video and reading Blake's complaint, it was like Blake's complaint didn't match the video. I'm not going to get into that. There's a lot of different opinions out there right now, but that was just her opinion.
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Yeah, she was. I think the Puerto Rican lady.
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So yeah, I think she just kind of thinks she's being a Karen. And then like she also referenced how like recently Blake's team like refer to Justin as an abuser. And she was just like, you know, none of these complaints like she's like, it doesn't say abuser to me. And my response to her was, well, listen, like and I would say this to anyone who's been on Justin's camp.
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I was like, if you got hired at a job for, let's say, a three month engagement to consult on a job. And the boss of that job is someone that you were going to be working with every day. And the reputation of this person that you were working with every day was like they were a saint. And then two weeks into it, all of a sudden, they started giving you the ick here or there.
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Yeah, I think she's definitely going to be a villain.
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It started making you feel uncomfortable. Then one day, they called your friend behind your back, elicited some personal information, just a bunch of little things that were just like, I'm... I don't want to go to work anymore. I'm uncomfortable. And then you finally complained. Turns out they were also HR, but you finally complained.
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And then you found out, and again, this is just my interpretation of the events. I don't want to get into what people disagree with. You finally complained. And then you found out that person hired people to bully you and your family and harass your other coworkers about you online and really make your life miserable. Like, wouldn't you think that person is an abuser?
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There was a scene where she is like walking up some stairs and she's like basically said, yeah, I'm the villain or something villainous.
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And they were like, yeah, I guess I kind of. That's just kind of how I see it. But the reason why my opinion is what it is, is strongly based off of the fact that I interviewed Justin a long time ago, read his books, consumed his content.
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And I just personally think that if you're going to make your whole platform through the books you write, the podcast you do, the TED Talks you do, you are the voice for women to hear their sorrows and their pains and champion them and lecture men. And literally his message is, hey guys, are you man enough to believe women's stories? That is Justin's literal message.
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If you're going to do that, ultimately in my mind, you're selling safety. You are selling, I am safe to a group of vulnerable people. And that vulnerable group is any women who's ever had a bad experience with a bad actor who's a man. And so when you are selling that you are safe, you're literally saying, you can put your guard down around me.
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And it's just a lot easier to protect yourself when you see something coming versus when you don't see it coming. And I said to my friend, like, if I went to go see my priest for like counsel, and then out of nowhere, my priest started talking to me about porn they like, I would probably feel way more uncomfortable than if like my kind of gross friend did it, right?
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And he put that responsibility on himself. So in my mind, if you're going to do that, you better walk the walk. And my standards for people like that are so high. And that's why I have such a strong opinion because I just think it's highly unlikely that he walked the walk that he did. Like she's accusing him of sexual harassment, not sexual assault.
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I think he did a bunch of weird, creepy little things. And I think she told on him because she wanted to get back to work. And I think he's hired a bunch of people who have created a lot of discourse and influence. But anyways, that's our opinion. I don't know why it's gotten so toxic, but I think we're trying to back off it a little bit so people can stop threatening my wife.
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But we'll see how things play out. I think it's going to be like, Mary made this joke, like it's going to be like that Britney Spears doc as time pass. Like people are going to watch it and be like, oh, we should have known.
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I think Justin and Blake want to go to court. That's my prediction. I think Justin's New York Times case is going to get thrown out. And a lot of legal people I've talked to, I think him and his team are going to end up owing the New York Times money. And I wouldn't be shocked if his lawsuit against Blake and Ryan also gets thrown out. And I think Blake's going to win.
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And I think when that happens, it'll be interesting to see all the alleged witnesses, according to Blake's complaint, what they say and the other details that we really don't know about. And I guess we'll see. And then maybe you guys can tell us we were totally wrong and or not. Up next, we got Robin from Traders.
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First kiss. Like, was this like a. Oh, no, she was giving fashion.
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We're doing great. We're sad that you're not on traders anymore.
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All right. Well, let's start it there. What was the business that you wanted to do before you got sent home?
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Yeah, the neck. She was giving fashion. Maybe, you know, what do I know?
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the only one but I was right on Boston Rob I wish I had had the opportunity to really convince people that it makes a lot of sense why early on you know and I think Wells was saying this or I think a lot of the faithful were talking about how they wanted this season to be the season where you guys like found out a traitor right away but just hearing Robin like hearing how you and the rest of your cast kind of came up with their theories many of which were wrong it speaks to like
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when you're looking for something, like you just kind of overread every little thing. And like the traders usually are the one who are more calm, more reserved because they're operating with a little bit more, like just confidence.
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So that when, like when everyone, when all the faithfuls get accused of something, I think you, you look inherently guilty because you're like, I'm not, you know, right.
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Were you as shocked as we were to see Nikki go home? Because especially after her like performance with the,
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like two times in a row she like refused to save herself uh and then also crying again like i'm like i'm just trying to figure out like before you left were people floating nikki's name around it seemed like it came out of nowhere and it wasn't even close it was like unanimous that she got yeah got so so before nikki was put into the caskets
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Oh, the caskets. You know what? Boston Rob's called it. He said, like, we're going to get a two for one because we'll kill one and people are going to still think probably someone is a traitor in the casket. Boy, that Boston Rob.
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Yeah, that was a good one.
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Plus, she was last.
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But we knew Jeremy wasn't though, because he got killed.
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Like that was like Jeremy was on to her or something.
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rose came out first zoe she came out last that usually is important when did you come out well oh i was middle of the pack yeah i was an underdog baby they didn't see me coming yeah we got alex with the silent e uh got that was first impression for me at least we know it's now alex and not alexi or alexa i was shocked by that first impression rose didn't see that coming
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That's what kind of shocking. If you're going to target any group for no reason, other than the fact that they're a group target, the gamers, they're going to be good. And you have to assume that one of the gamers is, is a traitor.
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Well, at least get the gamers fighting with each other or something.
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So do you basically wake up and a producer walks in and be like, you're dead?
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Did you also think, like, Ion, where she thought the survivor cast were...
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Keep the housewives on. Robin, give me three housewives from any franchise that you want to see next season.
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Any more questions for Robin before we let her? Sierra's got one.
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But yeah, maybe as a friend of are you done done? You're forever gone.
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All right, Robin. Thank you for your time. It's been super fun watching you on Traders. And hopefully we'll hear some of those opinions on Potomac.
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Yeah.
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true he's shockingly flying under the radar for a man who everyone's like yeah boy he would be really really bad if he was a traitor right you didn't want him in the first round they all know that he's a traitor but for some reason they're too scared to make a move and to get him out yeah he's just too good of a game player that he's a traitor like they all are saying well that's the thing though it's just like he's surviving now it's still fairly early like rob's not gonna win no no
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Up next, the exile that I think shocked everyone. At least it shocked me. I think Robin gave it some context about like the, I forgot about the casket element, but I was still blown away more specifically because Chrishell had a vibe. But anyways, we'll get to hear from the faithful herself. Nikki Garcia is up next.
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Nikki. What the fuck? Why were you sabotaged?
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Have you confronted Chrishell yet?
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Linda well I'll say this much the first impression Rose is very much the decision of the bachelor very little influence from the producers go into that decision so he must really like her and couple that with the fact that like she also gets Alex gets the first one on one date that's like a double target on your back same way
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We talked to Robin earlier and her theory, because obviously she wasn't there when you actually got voted off, but she made it seem like the target was very much on your back as a result of the whole coffin situation a few episodes back. Is that what you attribute it to?
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Can you give us a little tea of some of the insane things we didn't get to see?
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We got Traders. We got some Salt Lake City reunion. We have Robin and Nikki from Traders, both excommunicated from the castle. They will be joining us later in the show to talk about, you know, WTF. Why were they kicked out? Especially Nikki really got...
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The former showrunner always told me after my time on the show that they tend to get their villain from either the first impression rows or the first one-on-one date because it puts a target on their back and then that person has a hard time handling the attention.
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It is crazy to see how people come up with their theories, which we've come to learn is almost based off of nothing. In Chrishell's case, it was based off of
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her being an empath her being an empath i fell for her she was crying you know it was like she really didn't yeah but it's just like chrishell if all you got is vibes just don't vote for your friend like i mean listen i get it it's a game it's traitors if you got some like hard facts be like hey girl i saw you say you were a traitor i gotta i gotta call you out but like
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Did she ever do that? The first time you got accused by Chris Chow, was that at the roundtable? Yeah.
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In the moment, though, I know you guys are fine and we all love Chris Chow. She's super nice. But how pissed were you?
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When you get that early validation and if you feel like there's a connection and then all of a sudden you feel like you have this connection, a bunch of people have had no time So when you feel like you have a connection with someone, you take things more seriously.
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Yeah, I can imagine because obviously, you know, a lot of people get casted on the show, like have a pretty long history of being on reality TV or or in your case, you know, you know, WWE and they come with a history, they come with a reputation of some kind.
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And you're right, like 2017, it must be super annoying to have like people like tell you about you from something they saw on TV from eight years ago.
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You start, you know, not even realizing you start kind of dismissing your peers a little bit because they're like they're out there hanging with their homies and you're falling in love and people are just kind of get annoyed by you. So it's a double whammy.
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I was on my period.
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I'm curious because Wells had mentioned that some of the, I don't know if they're all like an hour, hour and a half, but they're clearly much longer than we get to see. Was the whole time spent at the round table, like people like telling you why you're a trader or was there anyone else like brought up in that conversation that we didn't get to see?
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At least you got Dylan. He was the, he was your hero, even though it didn't save you or anything, but like, he seems to be playing this really well because like for him to be right about you, like everyone else was voting against you. And he wanted to take a stand to say like, The group isn't thinking right. I really don't think you and Sierra aren't traitors. He ended up being right about that.
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And it's just like, I really think that gives very faithful vibes because I think when you see like what's clear at traitors, right? Like it's to your advantage to go with the group, right? If someone's name is getting thrown out there, you might as well vote them off because at least it's not you. And Dylan had the balls to say, you know what?
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I'm not going to vote for Nikki or Sierra because I just don't think it's them. And it's almost, he wanted to speak to the faithfuls out there. And I think every time he does something like that and he gets it right, it makes him look more faithful. And I think it protects him against the traitors because if he goes out, then it's almost like, oh, it puts a scent on the traitors. I don't know.
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How do you see Dylan doing or- is he doing as well as I think he is?
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everyone else that's why when you see I feel like every round table it's like okay everyone's voting for who like where are we going you know what I mean yeah no definitely I definitely know what you mean and it seems like that's definitely what's what's going on are there any like people were overlooking that you think are playing the game really well or you feel like will continue to pop as the season moves along
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Wait, you only got one glass of wine a day?
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She was honest up front. I'll give her that. I do respect that. She knows where you stand.
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Do you think Boss and Rob's going home soon? Do you think they're on to him?
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And there's definitely no unity with the traitors, like, at all.
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What'll be interesting, I don't know if they're going to do it, but last season they brought in a housewife who became a trader. And then they had an opportunity to recruit a trader. I'm really curious, who's going to be recruited, whether they say yes or not? Will they be bringing in more people? They have to do some with the traders because this, yeah, it seems like a weak group of traders.
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I mean, like Boston Rob's very good, but he's had to almost do too much. And like you said, it's kind of shined too much of a light on themselves. And the other two are just,
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I will say night one, you know, well, we're going to see all those photos on bachelor's Instagram. You guys don't know this, but in the NFL world, they often say how week one is alive because it's early in the season. You know, there's a lot of upsets because like it's week one, you know, teams aren't really at their full capacity. I would say the same about night one on the bachelor.
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The only thing that makes sense. And you said this, Nikki, like, for example, if, um, if Dylan thought Danielle was a traitor, I don't think he actually even thinks Gabby's a traitor. You know, I think he said Gabby is like a throwaway because he didn't want to say Nikki and Sierra. Yeah.
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But if he were to say Danielle, like if Dylan suspected Danielle, he's not going to say Danielle just to like make a point because then all of a sudden there's a target on his back. Like Nikki said, it's like if you're going to go after someone you really think is a traitor, you have to have the numbers. You know, they keep saying that.
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Like if you're going to go after someone this big, you really got to take them down because like otherwise you're kind of fucked. So maybe they kind of suspect and they're just kind of, you know.
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And again, I just don't think... Maybe because Phaedra was... Obviously, Phaedra was an assassin. Phaedra was... She was a dirty traitor. She was in the best possible way. But yeah, I don't know. Again, Ion? What? Really? Dorinda? Come on. We're not thinking with our heads here. No. It didn't make any sense.
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Nikki, always great chatting with you. So sorry you got voted off. We think you got the shaft. But glad you got to get back to your beautiful baby and rooting for you. And anything you want to plug?
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Do you think Brie will do Traitors?
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So jump from the top rope.
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I think we have to be careful about our observations about who these people are night one, because again, it's night one. They're super nervous. They're coming out. They're told to do a bit. They're encouraged to do a bit. They're encouraged to stand out. So let's let the dust settle. You never know. Maybe Bailey will just completely lose the whole phone bit.
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I think she'd be good. I think she'd be good. Nikki, thank you for taking the time.
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All right. All right. Bye bye.
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It gets better and better. Like, you know, last season we really loved it, but it's really, we really, you know, look forward to it. Some of the shows we cover, it's more heavy lifting than others. You know, like Roni, which I know some of you guys watched.
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I've seen clips and it's something to do with Uba and Brynn. And yeah, what happens? Do you want to, Sierra, you want to?
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For those who have been watching for a while, Peter Weber's season, one of the more iconic seasons of all time, all of Victoria is not showing up for hometowns, but Hannah and another iconic character, everyone thought she was going to be a villain early on.
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Like, shit got real and, you know.
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She had like champagne gate with Kelsey and Hannah and really just kind of like settled in and like really became the unproblematic, like sweet, you know, dare I say slightly boring. And I mean that, and I love Hannah and in the best possible way, but like, yeah, it was, you know, you got to let the dust settle before like the real drama unfold. So, you know, week one is kind of a lie.
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To be clear, not lying about... The assault.
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And did Brynn acknowledge or apologize? Because, like, I don't know, again, whatever Brynn went through, obviously some heavy shit.
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Stabbed in the back. Chrishell really.
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Okay. She operates in a dark world. Yeah.
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I think I might watch Reading in Part 1, though. Oh, for sure. Yeah.
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You know who's never going to do Housewives? Heidi Montag.
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Yeah.
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According to her husband, Spencer, which I don't blame her because what I've learned covering Housewives to operate in that world, you have to be OK with people just like saying the craziest fucking rumors about you and your family.
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Oh, my God. We'll get to that in a second. But we do have Heidi and Spencer finally on Thursday's episode of Reality Recap. We'll get to talk to them about that comment about housewives and all the crazy things going on in their world.
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Obviously, for those of you who don't know, and I don't know who wouldn't, but sadly, their house is one of the many houses that burned down during the tragic fires. Obviously, they have been responding in the best possible way that they can. Heidi is now an international rock star. Pop star, as she always has been, but she's finally getting the recognition that she deserves.
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Chrishell really. She's like, I hate.
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And we'll be able to talk to that couple as they come together during the tragedy and create some beautiful music. That's Thursday.
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If anyone asking, this hasn't changed my opinion about Ike Kennedy, not one bit. My heart goes out to Allie. I hope she's okay. I hope she is living her best life. I think it's interesting in her statement that she pointed out that she wasn't hurt and she made with no mention of the actual allegation that she was picked up and thrown against the room.
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She really just referenced that she didn't sustain any injuries from said alleged incident. But regardless of what happened there, ever since that arrest of James Kennedy, obviously we had talked about there had been, kind of, you know, stories here and little stories there that a lot of us didn't know much about unless maybe you were like, you know, part of that OG world for a long time.
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But since then, we have looked into it. We've had many conversations with our friend of show, Kristen Doty. And I will say, I absolutely believe Kristen. She's been very vocal about her actions with James. And so regardless of whatever happened with Allie, it hasn't been changed my opinion about James and the history he has with violence towards women. So like, I hope he gets sober.
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All right. Salt Lake City part one.
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Lisa is not a friend at all to anyone. Like, I don't know how anyone calls Lisa a friend. Like Heather, this season, Heather talks about how she's really investing in this friendship with Lisa. Lisa is a friend to nobody. Like Lisa might be a cool hang. She might hook you up. She might do you a favor if it benefits her in the long run.
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but like at the end of the day being a friend is to at times at some point in the relationship to think outside of your own needs to be selfless and just be there for someone who needs a friend I've literally never seen that from Lisa Barlow ever like
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I loved it. At first, you know, obviously they did her dirty with like, oh, let's like take away the stereotype of crazy lady and cats while like looking at her rock collection.
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She's crying because she doesn't know what to say and she doesn't have one of her classic clapbacks to like get her out of the trouble that she's in. But like, yeah, what a terribly fucked up thing to insert yourself in.
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And then the whole conversation about a jeweler, we had a front row seat because we watched this episode with Natalie's mom. For those of you who don't know, Natalie's mom had an illustrious career working at a jewelry company and being a very successful sales person at a jewelry store.
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and uh we're watching it now his mom's in the background she's like that's the most unprofessional jeweler that she's like that's the cardinal rule you do not talk about your clients to other people that's like the biggest no-no according to her and then like lisa's out there and like i don't know was it whitney or and all the other housewives were like lisa's claiming to like not really know this person not really have a have a conversation i mean am i
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But he gets back to like, again, night one is about doing these types of things. And I thought she delivered it and sold it in a, in a, in a great way. Like, obviously you sit down for a PowerPoint and it's giving like, Oh my God, like type a, you know, like, like, Oh my God. And then like, she, she had a lot of fun with it. I thought she did a really good job.
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Rowan's story definitely does not make sense. I'll give you that for sure. But whatever. I don't... At the end of the day... She bought it, she didn't buy it. Yeah.
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i don't know who gives a fuck yeah maybe if if the worst thing todd and brah when we're doing we're flexing in front of her friends then yeah i don't know a little douchey sure if that's what happened but like again this is about lisa again like just flat out lying and making up stories and like just leveraging people and going out of her way to like spy on people get tea get dirt like
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Yeah, which she claims she never does. Like she, I mean, she essentially blackmails people. Like, you know, and this is all to protect her image and her brand. Well, never. Even when it's talking about like falsely, you know, making accusations about fake miscarriages, she still can't humble herself to apologize.
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I'm just more shocked why Meredith and Heather ride for Lisa so hard. I don't like what am I missing?
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maybe well heather i don't i don't know heather's reason is heather's reason only because like was it was it brahman who brought up like going to high school with heather or heather was kind of always obsessed with angie heather was like always obsessed with being like friends with the popular girls well yeah and i mean she's the popular heather also went to college with lisa byu lisa said she was the good time girl that was like a whole thing too so i mean i think lisa's the popular girl and she's a socialite so i think people want to surround themselves with her surrounding yeah
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I was shocked that she got the last rose. But I think she got the last rose because, you know, again, early on, they will always pick one or two people who they think kind of gives crazy eyes and like is the most animated facial expressions because like the longer they have to wait for the rose, the more they just like lose their fucking mind.
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And saying you're less than because you did this.
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And even after Angie's like, no, I'm not. Meredith was like, well, you were.
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Are we faulting her for trying? Not at all.
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And it's like she seems to be a very animated, has a lot of animated facial features. So I don't think her getting the last rose means she's like on the chopping block.
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I mean, I am in no way a historian of Bravo. But like how many friends of shows carried the storyline as much as Britney did? I know Alexis Bellino recently, but that's a very specific like lawsuit case. She didn't care. She was brought on as a friend because of the lawsuit where they're like, yeah, Britney, like, let's see what she's capable of. And she delivered.
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If there's any housewife I would bet on, it's Britney. Because I can tell you, Lightning's going to strike a million times because of this complete lack of self-awareness. And it's like, it's in her bones who she is.
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You know, we obviously... I've been critical of Lisa Barlow's character, but her character on TV is must-see TV. Oh, she's incredible. I don't want Lisa Barlow to leave Housewives. You know, I just...
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But we don't need, I mean, Jared, I don't know. He can have as much of a role as any of the husbands, which is not that much.
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My understanding of this world is like what Whitney was accused of is something that They all do.
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Lisa will call her people, she'll go the distance, she'll create a fake account, tweet something, and go, oh, look, this rumor's public, I'm gonna talk about it.
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She looks like her.
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I was triggered by this episode.
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In defense of Taylor? I'm actually kind of getting into it.
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Because I hate JT so much.
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I don't. I like him. JT was the fucking loser fucking guy in high school who became friends with all the girls and just talked shit about all the guys who were actually dating the girls and make up rumors and like nothing. And it was just, he doesn't, he's not being Taylor's friend. He's fucking gossiping
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And listen, you know, if like there's an affair going on behind someone's back and it's still going on and you talk to your friend like, hey, you need to stop doing they don't do it like you might be forced to have a tough conversation with a friend to let them know, hey, some shit's going down, yada, yada, yada. But like this story is in the fucking past. Like no one's really a part of it.
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They're both white and brunette. No, it's the face, like the facial features.
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He brings it up out of nowhere. And like, it's also these vague accusations about a guy where and then he throws Sally under the fucking bus and make it seem like she's like some adult or which like my understanding of the story is like, it sounds like maybe he had a girlfriend. They made up. They quickly broke up afterwards. I'm not condoning. I'm not saying it's OK.
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Like he made an accusation of like some ongoing affair.
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He's a smarmy fucking troublemaker.
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Gaston's fucking ugly why is anyone even trying to be like he's it's like okay you clearly are still in love with Taylor and you're just trying to like shoot down I mean sure but at least was it a douchey move by Shep sure but I at least understand the motives and it's less like you know it's his ex-girlfriend he could be a little petty fine but like JT no like you're just
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No one asked you, you're not involved. Like you're just fucking with this girl's like mental health. What you're, no, you're fucking with two women's mental health and you're throwing a guy under the bus, which is like, I don't know, maybe he did some shit.
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This wasn't like, again, not condoning if he made out with Sally when he shouldn't have made out with it, but I don't know, maybe he's done some work. I don't know. Like they're the accusations JT is throwing around about Taylor's boyfriend. Like all the guys on the show have done some version of this kind of
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fuck boy he's describing fuck boy behavior and like most fuck boys grow out of this behavior and settle down and like start acting like a person who actually wants to settle down and for all we know that's taylor's boyfriend and i couldn't love craig more because craig was literally just like you're doing it again this is none of your business why are you making this the topic of a conversation and why do you feel the right to be angry about it it didn't happen to you
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I really like Craig. I really love his set up props. Craig, your set up situation, props, love. I love that he's just like in family man mode. It really, you know, listen, Paige and him didn't work out. It sounds like, you know, they just weren't, they weren't meant to be. They wanted, clearly they wanted different things. I mean, Paige is all about independence, not wanting to settle down.
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She's a New Yorker. The more you hear them both talk about what they want, the more it makes sense that they ended their relationship. But I hope Craig finds his lady. He seems like he wants to be a good husband.
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Everybody's like, what does that mean? First of all, what do you mean, what does that mean?
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Was everyone, like, doing the marathon blowjobs? Or, like, everyone's, like, confused by she sucked dick for a little bit. I don't know.
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Nah, she was, like, it was probably in the back of an alley. She's like, I don't know. She, like, licked it up.
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She's like, you know what? Let's just fuck. She said just the tip.
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It was something... I might have misheard the details, but... But yeah, maybe they were in an environment where like honestly foreplay was just like not the time. And she was like, what am I doing down here?
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I'm wasting time down here. Why is everyone so confused by that?
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I think she's faking interest in JT just to have a storyline.
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That was the first time AI showed up in the Bachelor Mansion. That's kind of creepy.
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It's kind of giving like the end of Vanderpump where it was like we were spending more time talking about fucking Joe.
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Yeah. Oh, Joe. Oh, my God.
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Lesson learned, guys. If all you got is the energy in the room, maybe don't vote off your bestie.
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It's Joe, yeah. You know? And there were all these friends of and assistants and all these things. Because I felt like the cast was just either too tired of talking shit about each other. They didn't want the interrelationship drama. So they brought these other people in. And that's kind of giving like we've run out of story.
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Yeah, they were friends with her because of Shep, and they're loyal to Shep and not Taylor.
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She might. I did not know that Erika Jayne's son is a cop. Yeah.
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We've been known.
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But who's calling them to the stand, the prosecution or the defense? I'm guessing the prosecution. I'm sure that I know they both can, but I'm wondering who did. Usually it's the prosecution. Well, it's just kind of like, you know, we know that Rihanna is like DMing with housewives. She's a huge housewife fan.
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It's just kind of like crazy that one of the more iconic housewives, his son is a cop testifying in her husband's case. And again, he's facing up to like 25 years in prison. This is like, this is not like fucking a jaywalking ticket.
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And I mean, so you got to assume good behavior. Cut that in half.
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Yeah. It would have served maybe a month or two. I was like, fuck that. No, let's let's go all the way.
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In what way, Justin?
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So yeah, I'm under a lot of stress.
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What was her first reason?
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
But then she returned because... Some of these housewives truly cannot apologize. Like, they are never wrong.
The Viall Files
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i would know that she was imagining that for like an hour because that law that first rose ceremony when he like walks in says like four names walks out waits five minutes comes in says four more names walks out and then sometimes if he like forgets the four names because like they'll always they usually give you four names and they're like if you forget doesn't matter honestly you can do one at a time because every time you walk out they won't know why they'll freak the fuck out it'll be it'll be great
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
Oh, she's an empath.
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Yeah, just be like, hey, listen, honestly, it wasn't my best moment as your friend. I'm sorry. Like I said, if I were in that shoes, I'd be mad too. So my bad.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
The not wife of someone is saying, oh, well, I didn't see a side, even though the one who's married to the man is like, huh? And again, you're welcome to that opinion, Kyle, but you're clearly not having your alleged friends back. You are choosing sides and you're choosing PKs. And that's fine. She can choose PKs, but like. You got to deal with the consequences of that.
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You don't get to be like a good friend. Well, that wraps it up for today's episode of Reality Recap. Thank you to our guests, Robin and Nikki of Traders. Back on Thursday with a rock star episode. We got Heidi and Spencer. We got Olivia Holt. We'll see you then. Bye.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
But usually it's four. Yeah, they'll give you four names and you walk in, walk out, give four. And then you're just waiting the whole time. So, yeah, that first rose ceremony took like 45 minutes. And she was just like going in and being like, I got the first kiss, blah, blah, blah. And then he's just like handing out the roses. Anyways.
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Oh, my God.
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When they had the clay and they were... Yeah. And then Grant's sister pulled up. I kind of liked that move. I liked it. I called it, though. I was like, it's his sister. It's definitely his sister.
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Yeah, it was. Anyways, we'll get into that later this episode. Bachelor. I want to get into The Bachelor. I want to kick things off. Before we get to household headlines, I wasn't really sure going into the season. We had the pleasure of interviewing Grant not too long ago. If you don't know much about Grant, you want to learn about Grant. I know they don't do much with the intro package.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
they're related in some way that's so true from the back I was like okay well they were cutting in and out to the ITMs of all the women giving commentary and it was always like this girl she's a baddie she's awesome she's this she's that and I'm like it's definitely a sister because otherwise it would have been like who's this motherfucking showing up late yeah like you could tell it was someone like that's a good plan and he was like oh shit but not like oh shit yeah you know like he was too excited for it to be somebody dark from his past great looking family yeah yeah great looking family
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
Yeah, fun little bit. Anyways, optimistic about this season. Wasn't sure going in, but I'll be tuning in.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
Do you guys have any frontrunners? Dina.
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I'm going to say my top four right now are going to be Latia, Zoe,
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Rose, you think? Maybe.
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Carolina, I think she's going to go the way of Sydney. She's going to be like top six. She'll go home right before hometowns. Yeah. she was gonna be one of my fan list no she can be like it's like carolina we're just guessing here alex alicia and yeah that's that's what i got so far so i got zoe latia rose and then juliana natalie juliana for sure
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
Carolina. I think the fact that she, I loved how she admitted dating a DJ. Yeah.
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That was some good self-awareness. It was. But I think she's been behind the DJ booth a lot, I think. Yeah. I think this environment that she's in is not as intimidating for her as it is for these other women. And I think that's why she's ultimately going to be the villain. She's going to be unafraid and cocky and confident, and it's going to start rubbing some of these women the wrong way.
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E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
Well, exciting times. All right. Household headlines.
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Where is the season again? I think it's Minnesota. It's Minnesota, yeah. Yeah, Minneapolis. Between the cities.
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The home of Prince.
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Obviously, he was on Jen's season. And he didn't, you know, he was like a top five, top six. Anyways, that episode, that going deeper with Grant is out there. But, you know, Grant, you know, nice guy. Really, really. What I know, what we learned about Grant, super nice. Definitely a gentleman. Successful, good looking, like has a lot of qualities.
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yeah it's crazy you know you know that she got pissed and yelled at him and the reason why you just got a bunch of emoji is because he was like fine i'll just change it and he like was kind of a smart ass and was like i'll just do emojis then yeah which like kind of makes it worse i know it makes it totally worse that's what it is it makes it way worse because that's not an apology it's like fine i'll change it whatever that was a defiant justin yeah uh being a smart ass and like just putting emojis which is basically like another
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
I wonder how many people listening to this understand that reference.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
I did speak with Jojo the other day. I can confirm that she is really happy.
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So whatever that means. That's all I can confirm.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
You think that's a hard launch photo?
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Do you think how you keep your car tells everything about who you are?
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Yeah, I don't agree either. Kris Jenner seems to think it says everything about you. It does speak to your organizational skills. I'll give her that. Yeah. Like, I'm not an organized person. Me either.
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It's a micro-discipline.
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Anyways, props to Kris Jenner. Her new face. Have you seen her new face? Yeah. It's pretty impressive.
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No notes.
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It looks really great.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick, and we are recording from a different place today, a different pop-up studio. We're all over the place.
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You really think Kris Jenner's hanging out with other, with poor grandparents?
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I just feel like wherever their kids go to school, I feel like they all have enough money to get that type of work if they wanted it.
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It wasn't law school.
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It was like an online course. I think she is allowed to like take the bar, but I don't think it was officially law school.
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What's the baby bar?
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I mean, props to her, though. I mean, cool accomplishment.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
All right. Well, up next, our friends Max and Peeta Murgatroyd join us to talk a little secret lives of Mormon wives. And then following that, we'll get into the summer house finale and a little Atlanta housewives since Phaedra is back in town and on our screens once again. Let's bring out Max and Peeta.
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You don't hold it up like this.
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Max and Peta, welcome to the show. How are you doing? I think, Peta, you've been on one other time, right? Max, it's your first time.
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Well, when I was dancing partners with Peta, there was speculation that Max and I were in a secret love affair. So I had to put those rumors to rest. Yeah.
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Well, I was pretty obsessed with him. He's a handsome guy.
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I honestly think most people would forget that I was on that show. But thank you for saying, Max.
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I appreciate the kind words. Before we dive into some secret lives and what you guys have been up to, I do want to tell us a very sentimental story that comes with a little bit of sadness. And Peter, I think you know what I'm talking about. But obviously not too long ago, Nellie and I opened up and shared about our misfortunes when it came to the miscarriages that Nellie experienced.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
And upon the... Well, after Natalie had her first miscarriage, my mom, who follows PETA on Instagram, was like, you know who you need to reach out to? You need to reach out to PETA because PETA, obviously, if you follow PETA, sadly has experienced her own miscarriages and has been open, very open, and has shared her story on her socials.
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And so when we were at the doctor's office finding out that now I was beginning to miscarry again, I was literally in the doctor's office and I was thinking, I got to reach out to PETA. You know, now I was really going through it. We've obviously talked about just how alone, you know, you feel when going through that process.
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Yeah.
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Cause we're, yeah, we're in the, our doctor's office and she's, you know, trying to, you know, say the right things and make us feel better. And, you know, talked about like, just like having a community and I, yeah, I brought PETA up and Natalie had to, we had to stop at, shout out to CVS. We had to stop and get some prescriptions for Natalie. And we get, we leave the doctor's office.
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We drive to CVS. I'm in line and I see this blonde woman in front of me. And I'm like, man, that looks a lot like PETA, but there's no way that's PETA. Yeah. And sure as shit.
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And you look fine. You look fine. uh but i was just like there's no way you know and sure as shit there you were and it just you know i'm not a very spiritual person but it seemed it was a very crazy it really felt like a moment and i could not believe it was a truly like one like a a very i don't even know how to describe it but
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Literally the one person in this universe I would wanted to run into in that moment so that I, you know, cause I really didn't have the words, you know, I really didn't know what to say to Natalie in that moment.
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And, and, and really it was just like my friend PETA and I, you know, and then we, we had talked and I'm like, and I'm like, he come out to the car and PETA came out to the parking lot and consoled Natalie and, and, and shared some, you know, very sentimental things. And, and honestly, it was a huge, it was a huge help to both of us. So it was a, it was a very beautiful moment.
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It was a great running into you and, you know, I don't know, you know, signs or whatever, but it was, um, it was a very special moment. So anyways, thank you for, for doing that for us.
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Yeah, Sarah Niff is a great movie.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
How many months apart are the two youngest?
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
It really is the universe really telling you don't get to pick, you know, you don't get to plan life, so to speak.
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How did you guys work on staying connected through all that trauma? Obviously, because, you know, when couples experience any kind of trauma, it's very easy to disconnect. And in moments when you don't know what to say, you know, I think often like us guys tend to just not say anything at all.
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And I remember when Natalie experienced her first miscarriage, I had this kind of epiphany of just realizing just how quickly it is to disconnect in those moments when you have these very difficult times. But obviously, you guys got through it and made it to the other side. But how were you able to do that?
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Also, what exactly do you expect us to do? How are we allowing our... 15th month old, by the way, not 18 months old. What are we supposed to do? Punish them? Put them in the corner?
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Yeah. Well, I appreciate you guys sharing that. And I agree with you, Max, too. We've shared our initial honeymoon story where we got turned down at Turks and Caicos, but it was... What? Yeah. We don't have to get into it. But we ended up having a lovely honeymoon two weeks later in Puerto Rico. But to that point, in that moment, I actually... At the time, it was like, I can't believe this is
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happening. And now he was crying and like river was three months old and like, Oh my God, this is supposed to be like fresh off for the high of our wedding.
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But like, that was the first moment, you know, we just got married. So, but it was the first moment where I felt like we had to come together as a family. We had to step up, like, you know, it's, and honestly, I wouldn't trade that moment for anything because like, To your point, it's easy to go and have a good time on a beach and celebrate the good times.
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But when you choose to come together during trauma or during disappointment and things like that, you really feel like you have a partner. So yeah, it's weird how you look back and reflect on those moments versus when it's happening in real time.
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what are you guys doing in Vegas? Uh, other, other than connecting, do you guys, what are you, are you gambling? You're going to shows? What, what's, what are you guys doing?
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Do you guys keep up with that too much? They recently announced Alex Earle and Robert Irwin. Any thoughts on those two as the season approaches?
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I mean, does he even have to be good at dancing to win?
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Should we ask her nicely?
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He's definitely going to try. He's a professional. He comes from a very successful family. He has to show improvement, right? He just has to get better each week.
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You think so?
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
It's a very popular show right now. Max, I know Pete has watched. Have you watched at all?
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Are you one of those husbands who once you tune in and you start having an opinion, are you checked out?
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Well, you guys, you guys actually, you're fairly familiar with the Mormon religion. A lot of your dancing partners and other professionals, the Mormon community has like a strong dancing legacy, right?
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because she's come out like the villain it's just yeah it's really tough because like this usually you know like we get to meet a lot of these characters on TV. A lot of the people we talk about, we don't. So we're usually just talking about their edit. We recognize it's an edited show. So we're really talking about characters. But Natalie and I have really gotten to know these women pretty well.
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I had no idea. I had no idea this was going on at the moment. So I'm like, all I hear is Natalie. I see Natalie lean forward and go, that's the wrong there. And I'm just like, what? I'm like, I know she's trying to be, I guess she's trying to be nice, but like, why would she do that? Cause I don't, I don't, I do not know that she saw this.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
And Demi is someone we've gotten to know and meet. And we've enjoyed our interactions with Demi.
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It's been tough to watch this season with Demi. Yeah.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
we've also gotten to know the other women as well. And, and they would say, this is not an edit.
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Yeah. It's like, she's just like, man, she seems to be really struggling with her mental health. And like, man, she's like pregnant and like, Oh boy. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
And then you hear about this, like the Vanderpump Villa.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
I think for the most part, that's true. We were having this conversation with some friends earlier today. And I've said this a million times, but I think more people actually are made to look better and more charming than they are in real life than actually made to look worse.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
I think honestly, Bachelor is maybe more guilty of things because like to your point, Max, when you like a lot of what we're seeing this season with Demi, we're seeing her in a confessional. We're seeing the words come out of her mouth. Like we are watching it.
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There's lots of times, for example, depending on the edits, like Bachelor is notorious for you'll see someone walking and having interaction and you hear their voice. Right. And so it's like it's like a so and they could be if they could have been saying that about someone else three weeks ago and a pickup. And then it's like, OK, that that's context that's been completely changed.
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But when it comes to this show, there's very little of that. There's, you're seeing the words coming out of these women's mouth. And it's, and I think it's, I also think it's a lot harder when it comes to a recurrent, you know, we're in season two, right? I mean, we didn't know if season one was, you know,
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when season one came out, you know, you don't know how successful it's going to be, but when you have a recurring cast and you have an ensemble cast, it's a lot harder for a production company to get away with changing storylines or, or putting things out of context because you're going to have characters call it out, right? You're, you know, if you're, if you're screwing over half the cast and,
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They're going to be like, this is bullshit and you'll lose your cast, right? Bachelor gets away with it because it's 30 new people every season. You know, if one or two people are made to look bad, everyone else who's looking good is like, yeah, this is who they are and things like that.
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But when it comes to this, with this show, I think it's easier to believe that what they're showing us is more honest than not. And if anything, there are things we don't get to see because they're being taken out of the show. And there's actually more tea and more things that could be exposed that are not being exposed.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Well, the big question is, is the thing that happened, what happened in Vanderpump Villa with this Marciano guy and all, you know, and that and that was filmed before even season two was filmed. And we've heard this from the women, you know, accused me of playing chess and being, you know, attempting to be multiple steps ahead.
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And it's just the more you watch this season with Demi like coming after Taylor, coming after Jen, trying to like, you know, it's, you know, coming after Jess, like, you know, the Jay-Z style stuff. Well, it's just like the way I forgot what episode I don't have eight or nine or whatever.
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And when Demi's like crying and like yelling at the rest of the women and being like, I'm the most loyal person in this group. no one is as good of a friend like me. And like, this is following her trying to get Jess kicked off the show because Jess wouldn't, Jess wouldn't basically, Jess was willing to take less money than Demi. And Demi wanted all the women to collude together to get more money.
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This was after the Jay-Z styles and her kind of talking shit about Jesse's business. And it's just like, where, where's the, I mean, again, I, I hate saying this because I've really enjoyed my time with the me, but like, it's just like, it's hard to defend what we're seeing here. Uh, we've heard, we've heard from Macy and Michaela.
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They accused me of last season being willing to fake, uh, an affair with Dakota.
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Maybe. I could give them that. I don't know. I don't know if I would joke about that, but it's possible. Maybe it was all jokes, but it's been tough watching to me.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
It was very cruel.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Asking for forgiveness. Yeah. Then Natalie tells me what's going on. So I loving an awkward situation. I thrive in uncomfortable situations. I grabbed River and I gave River full permission to just go ham on the screen that's behind her seat, like hoping that River continues this behavior forever.
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you know, personality. Maybe, maybe, maybe that's it. But like her, her confidence in herself to call her self, like the way she is like, she, you know, she's called herself the fan favorite. She's called herself the most loyal, you know, she's just very, she's quick, very quick to be loud about herself.
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The part I was most uncomfortable watching back, you know, because I've watched it a few times now, was when, you know, the secret Sunday or I think what it was, where one of the things, I randomly accused Brett of cheating on Demi.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
And then they had the off mic moment before the off mic moment where here she is trying to talk to Brett about this accusation. And then she throws out a bunch more rumors about her husband is a way almost to deflect that.
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And you can tell like Brett is just like, what are you saying? Why are you saying this right now? Why would you say that on TV? Like it was like really uncomfortable. And the more I hear the women say she's playing chess, not checkers and things like that, it just kind of makes you wonder if like, if Demi is this very
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Calculate it in a way that's like, seems kind of malicious, but I want to give her the benefit of the doubt because again, I've, we've, I've, she's always been lovely to me. I don't know.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
I actually hate saying that because when, you know, just be, I guess, because I guess just because she's lovely to me doesn't mean anything's not true, but I don't, I don't want to talk shit on a friend or anything, but.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
It's like, damn, it's like, but also it's your job now, Nick.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
You know, I gotta keep it real.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
No, it's really true. And Demi's playing the role very well. It's interesting. Obviously, Jessie was on our show last week. Natalie asked Jessie if she noticed that Jessie wasn't wearing her wedding ring. And Natalie had an excellent question, props, by the way. And asked Jessie if Jordan, her husband, is the type of role model that she would want her daughters to look up to. Something like that?
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And she didn't. She said no. She said no and didn't really even think too hard on it. I think we're going to find out a lot more about this relationship in season three.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
I've heard from a very reliable source close to the situation, and I'm not going to say what it is, but what I will say, if what I heard is true, again, regardless of what this rumor is or not true about Marciano, whether Jesse actually cheated on Jordan with Marciano, Not that it's ever justified to do that.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
But I think if what I hear is true and if that is revealed in season three, I think people are going to quickly forget whatever Jesse did to Jordan. And I think they're going to hate him. Wow.
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The entire flight.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Yeah, it's dark. It made me not like him.
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They've all, I don't know. I mean, they're, they're very, I mean, as a show that covers these shows, right? Like I have a ton of respect for all of them because to your point, Peter, like to play the villain is not easy. And all these women are, you know, say what you want about their lives or whatever. And, it's so easy to judge people from afar.
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You guys know as much as anyone, you have friends and you guys have been through your shit and we've all been through shit. Like no one's life is perfect. It's all messy. We all try to figure it out, but these women are willing to, uh,
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Yeah.
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truly show it all on television and they don't back down and they keep going and it's like it's it's almost as if they're just warming up because i hear is as crazy as season two is that season three is out of control compared to season two are they already filming season three
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
I don't know. When you have a very devout religion that brings a lot of shame to people, Uh, people need outlets, you know? And I think I honestly, you know, it's, I think, I think a lot of people have talked about like what makes this show so unique or what makes, you know, you got real housewives of Salt Lake city, which is, you know, for us, one of the best housewives franchises.
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because those characters are so compelling. I feel like there's just like an element of, like, I think, especially for the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives and Mom Talk, you know, you have these young women, these moms who, you know, it sounds like, you know, they all have their trauma and they all have been shamed and guilted and told what's good or what's bad.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
And it must be very liberating for them to be able to speak for themselves. You know, like even Jen and Zach, I mean, you know, who, by the way, again, we have that on the show tomorrow.
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You know, you went from a relationship season one where you, Zach kind of just very much demonstrated this very, you know, toxic masculinity, this very like very stereotypical, you know, man from a very conservative community to, And listen tomorrow, you can find out, you can judge for yourself what you think about their relationship.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
But what is clear is that Zach has flipped a switch in terms of how he's approached it. But I can't help but wonder if it's because Jen feels more empowered to enforce a boundary. She feels, I think, more empowered to say no. I'm going to do it my way now. You know, I'm, I'm the breadwinner here.
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I'm the star, you know, and, and not like in a cocky way, but like, again, you're talking about a community where men are dominant, you know, where we're literally this community of people. You're told that like a man is in charge of the family and a women's role is to like, women's have women have roles, you know, a very specific role. And that is to like, Follow the man, you know.
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And so here you have these women who've been empowered by this show and by their success and they can finally stand up. They have found a voice. And I feel like that voice gives them that confidence to show us who they really are, because in a way, as much drama as I'm sure has brought their lives, it has freed them from a life of almost, you know. Yeah.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Yeah, it's kind of fascinating that way, you know?
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Yeah, no, it's an excellent point, Peter. They've really said, I'm going to, which I respect as someone who grew up very Catholic and conservative is like, you can still, you can still have a connection to your faith.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
And just, you know, even if you don't follow all the rules that like, let's be honest, some man or some person a few hundred or a few thousand years ago, certainly not the beginning of time decided to write in a book. And it's like, you know what? I'm just going to not do that. And you know what? Maybe, maybe I'll still might be good.
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You know, it's just like, I love how they're kind of redefining what their faith means to them. And yeah, it's just fascinating to watch. And I think we should all be grateful for all these women for, for their honesty. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's incredible television.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
And you know, whether we criticize what we see on these episodes or, you know, things are, we're shocked by what comes out of their mouth. I'm still very grateful for the willingness to do that because if, if we're going to sit down and be entertained by this, yeah, you can judge the behavior, but I think you have to, you know, judging the person is harder to do unless you're Janet from the Valley.
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Cause then it's, that's harder. Are you watching the Valley at all?
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Isn't Janet the worst?
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Have you seen them out?
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Well, Max and Peter, it's, it's been great catching up with us. We'll let you get back to your romance. Yes. In Vegas. Uh, why don't you share it with my audience and plug and anything else you guys want to plug, plug away.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Max, would you ever come back as a professional in Dancing with the Stars? Yes. Okay. Because I always joke with people that I'm just a really hard worker, but my wife is the star of the family. And I didn't know that when I met her. She was just a humble servant of the medical industry.
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But I've... I talked to the powers that be and I'm like, not yet, not yet. But someday you're going to want to cast my wife on Dancing with the Stars. And so I believe I would be honored. It would be so if you would, you know, you know, I don't know if I want to.
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Have there ever been, has there anyone like done a second tour of Dancing with the Stars? Has anyone done it twice? Like if Natalie got cast, could we be a husband and wife duo? Even though I've done it before?
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I mean, I could just be like, I'm very forgettable. No one would be like, they wouldn't even remember that I was on it the first time.
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Yeah.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
But yes, the finale went on. You know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if I want to, you know, some of those, some of those guys, I don't know. They got, they got some bad reps. I'm just kidding. You, Max, I would, I would be honored.
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All right. We're going to call it now. One day we'll shoot for the stars, Max. All right, you two. Go have fun in Vegas. Thanks for coming on. I appreciate you.
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All right, take care.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Before we move on, is there any scenes from the final episodes we haven't really touched on?
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
I just don't know what the fuck Demi is talking about when it comes to Taylor.
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You know, here's a, here's a, here's a story about Taylor. I have interviewed a lot of reality TV stars on this show. Hundreds. I don't know how many.
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Taylor Frankie Paul is the only person who, before I interviewed her, said, ask me anything. You can go as hard as you want. She's like, don't hold back. And she said it in a way where she was like, yeah, I'll just, you know. She was up for the challenge in a way. Mm-hmm. She really has nothing to hide. Sure, she can be messy. Yes, she can be a little toxic by her own admission.
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She's far from a perfect person. You know what I'm saying? She truly is a reality TV star in its truest form, but she is thoughtful of her peers. She shares the spotlight with her peers. She's a good person. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
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Again, she shares the spotlight where these stories that we're hearing about Demi from her talking shit about Jesse's business to trying to throw Jesse under the bus when negotiating season two, just out of nowhere going after Taylor and just throwing these accusations her way that just don't really add up. It's just like, it's weird.
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Cause it's like, that's a great, that's a great point. Leah, when you kind of follow those crumbs, it was like, first she tried to go after, I don't know which was first, but it was like, she tried to go after Jesse didn't land. She tried to go after Jen didn't land. And then she goes after Taylor, didn't land.
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And it's almost as if that moment at the end of the season where she's crying to the rest of the women being like, I would never act this way. It's almost like a projection of the frustration, the tears came from a place that her plan wasn't working in a way.
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I don't think anyone is. That's one person I would never fuck with. And you know why you don't fuck with someone like Taylor? She's unafraid.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
You know, she is not trying to be perfect. She doesn't even really care about being the most liked. I mean, she has a ton of critics and she's just, she is comfortably herself and authentically herself. So that's not the type of person you want to go up against in reality TV.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Taylor's got nothing to lose.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Yeah.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
No, I mean, it's really incredible. I also just shout out to Sourdough. Yeah. I... Well, you know, sourdough has been a big part of my life in 2025. Leah, look up the health benefits of sourdough relative to regular bread. Because I don't know. I love the sourdough. I have swapped out all bread and replaced it with only sourdough. And I got to say, I'm feeling...
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Exactly. You know, I'm 44 years old going on 45. And the fact that I just discovered how delicious, not to just discovered, but I would eat sourdough. Like if it was like offered as an option, is this like part of the portfolio of breads? Be like, I'll fuck with sourdough today, you know, but like tomorrow I'll do like a multigrain.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
But like given its taste coupled with its health benefits, like why would you do anything else? Just sourdough all the time.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Burger sourdough. I don't think you can have a sourdough pizza.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
I do believe Macy over Whitney. Oh, with her sourdough starter. Macy claims that Whitney took her sourdough starter. Yeah. And Whitney says it's a lie and the other way around.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
I love Whitney, but I respect what I what I love about it is that like it really seems like Michaela has really found her voice and she's found it through hating Whitney. And she seems honestly, at least from season one, like just healthier.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Like she's like seems like a healthier version of herself. And I just never seen hate of that degree be so beneficial to one person. And so I don't know. It's beautiful.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
The only thing that, you know, that Michaela's going to have to acknowledge at some point is that, like, she cares deeply about Whitney because you can't hate someone that much and not give a fuck about them.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
You know, so it's like, you know.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
There is that.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
That was a lot of fun. Yeah.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
In the spirit of Taylor Frankie Paul, I am happy to share in the attention of the success of my family. No problem. We got the signage on the show.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Anyways, it was a great season. I'm sure we'll continue to talk about it as these women continue to perform on social media. Hopefully there is more to come. I think there will be. Excited to see it. I hope you guys all join us in the ride. The Summer House finale was, you know, again, great season. Once again, shout out to Lexi who carried this season. She was fantastic.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
One of the better rookie seasons for a Bravo star. You know, she stood on business and she had to do it all on her own. You know how intimidating it is to enter that house, a veteran cast of friends who like, let's just be honest, were a little mean girl to her. I think this was a terrible season for Sierra. Jesse, I mean, I don't know.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Jesse's just kind of proven himself to be an unserious man giving boy who, you know, just like lives off these semantics of like, you know, why don't we keep talking about my character when it's just like, well, then stop doing what you're doing.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
It's just like immediately flirting with a... Yeah, we're on a reality show. It's like, okay. If you're following Bravo, I'm sure you've seen the news that's been reported everywhere that Jesse Solomon and Erika Jayne hooked up following the taking of Watch What Happens Live.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
At this point, it's giving Jesse Solomon has been reaching out to the press and telling everyone that he hooked up with Erika Jayne. I mean, it's being reported by people, page six, everyone. It's like, you know, like these outlets don't go that far unless they have someone like... Unless the source is the person. And when people magazines or a page six, like give a source, it's the person.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
It's 90 times, it's nine times out of 10, the actual person or their friend or a publicist or whatever. Almost always. And I can't help but think what Lexi told us when we interviewed her that how basically like her talking about how Jesse just wants to like how he was so jealous of the attention that Wes got from being the villain. And it's just like, you know. That he wants this.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Oh, she definitely will.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Wanting to be Luann and Joe Bradley. Two good looking people. First of all, they both get laid. Yeah. It helps both their careers. She looks good. She's, you know, hooking up with a younger, good looking guy. And then, you know, I mean, it probably helps him the least other than like he just gets attention from it. But he seems to be most interested in just getting attention.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Am I the only one who thinks this was a terrible season for Ciara?
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
What do you think of Ciara this season?
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Swept him out.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Listen, again, maybe this is edited. Who knows? But the character we're seeing is giving pick me.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
And why not support her? And you're friends with him. You're all friends with him. This new girl comes onto the show, dates your friend.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
I just think for a group of people who call themselves girls, girls, I just think their treatment of Lexi was anything but.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
She's very sweet. Yeah. And she's considerate. She enforces. I mean, I think I'm so impressed with Lexi because like she she really she means what she says. She follows through. Like Jesse, Sierra, I don't know. They care about the wrong things.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Yeah. So maybe it's just like a product of the edit or like just lack of storylines. But I'm just saying the character we saw, I just like I just don't know.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
How is it all on Jesse? I mean, Jesse is deserves all the criticism he gets. I'm definitely over the sea pass. And he has proven to be like just a guy who's like, yeah, he just wants the attention. And I think he's he's giving like Jesse's potential is going to be messy. Bravo star.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Where I think Jesse wants to be like famous outside of Bravo. I don't right now, his actions say otherwise, you know, listen, I've, I've pissed. I've been a pick me before. Like I've behaved in that way in my younger years and maybe Jesse will grow up, but like, you know, right now I think he deserves it all, but I just don't think it's all on Jesse.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Like, I don't think you can blame all of her behavior on Jesse.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
So the biggest criticism we have for Lexi is that a girl who came in as the newbie without knowing anyone else fell for a guy and just got like a little like caught up in love.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
I definitely don't think she had it out for her. I just don't think she went out of her way to be a girl's girl towards her. You know what I'm saying? And I just like, if you're going to call yourself a girl's girl, I mean, I don't know. It just feels like maybe you should. Yeah. I don't think she showed up and was like, I'm going to go after Lexi. I just think she didn't give a fuck about Lexi.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
And she was just like, I don't care. I don't care about you.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Can we talk about... I do believe... The ring. I believe Kyle. I think Craig's lying about the ring.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
show yeah so it was like he wants to call me a cheater well he was the one texting other women i think that's giving she said something in the heat of the moment that she knew was like not true it was giving like a craig lie yeah you know like there was like a probably a sprinkle of truth right like he probably was texting another woman and she probably knew it wasn't a threat at all but she was super pissed and she said it and cooler heads prevailed and she probably was like can you take that shit out yeah
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
hoping and probably at this point, because did you guys all feel when they like got to the breakup? We're like this topic again. I thought we had moved on. You know, it was like, holy shit. You know, it was just like we had to talk about it on Southern Charm. We had to talk about it on the beginning of Summer House. It got brought up again. It was just like played out.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
I almost I almost vomited.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
I just I'm not into like drinking other people's bodily.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
You know, I'm not a fan. I don't really subscribe to milk, period. You know, unless I'm eating cocoa pebbles, which I haven't. Yeah. In a while. Yeah.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Atlanta. Listen, we had four episodes of Mormon Wives to cover. We will pick back up Atlanta. Phaedra is back. Excited. She seems like she's ready to really get messy when they go to Grenada. They're going into Grenada. Yeah. All right, well, that will do it for this episode. Be sure to tune in tomorrow for a very interesting episode of Going Deeper. We have Jen and Zach Affleck.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
We cover the whole spectrum of their relationship from are they related to Ben Affleck to their marriage, their mental health. Is Zach's transformation real? You'll get to decide. And then we have a great episode for you on Thursday. So tune in. We love you. I hope you all enjoyed your Memorial weekend. We'll see you tomorrow. Bye.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
This reminds me when I was a kid and there's, you know, like the kids movies where there's always like the character in the movie that's an adult that like hates the little kids.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Great pizza. And she almost got in a fight with them. Great pizza. Fantastic pizza. We have a great week lined up for you. Hope you had a great Memorial Day weekend because this week is going to be jam-packed.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Join us to talk a little secret lives of Mormon wives with us. And then tomorrow for Going Deeper, Really excited for you guys to hear this episode. Jen and Zach Affleck join us to dive deep into their relationship. Obviously, I think everyone's watching season two of The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, but they stopped down filming. They did not finish the season due to Jen's mental health.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
So we'll get an update from Jen and Zach about their relationship. And we dive deep into the relationship. Obviously, They had a lot of controversy in season one, specifically Zach. I think a lot of people were kind of shocked by some of the growth that we saw from Zach, or at least the perception of growth. We don't really know. I don't know how genuine it is. It seems legit.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
But you will be able to find out tomorrow. Well, you can decide for yourselves what you guys think. So it's a great episode. Lots to dive into. They have a lot to say about their relationship, as well as the rest of the women, specifically Demi, and that whole drama that's unfolding as well.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Danny and Nia from the Valley.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
He's hilarious. We love him. Also big reality TV fan. So excited for Chris to join our show. And just a reminder, Janet is the worst. I mean, in case you didn't know.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
In case you didn't know, in case you forgot, it's, you know, usually people make mistakes. She makes them all the time.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Huh? It's a weird time to make, to talk about a perceived growth moment for you.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
He deleted it clearly after he got yelled at by his wife.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Do you think he thinks that way though?
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
his behavior online recently has been odd. Yeah. I think it's to put it kindly, but then with his performance, it's hard to talk shit because he did compliment my sweater once and was very lovely, very kind, very lovely to both me and my, my wife, Natalie. So it's just, it's, it's odd behavior. I just feel like he's been through a lot.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Happy to report we were flying first class, business class.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
It just reminds, it just, it reads like, you know, like when you have an announcement of some kind and people will say, you know, that one time, like they reflect on a moment, you know, where it's, you know, they try to tell a story like he, like he was, but it's just like, He's he's telling it as if like like people are going to pat him on the back or like this is a sweet moment.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Like it reads from his mind that he thinks he's being sweet.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
It's like he's showing personal growth or or whatever. And oh, by the way, I'm really proud of my wife. But yeah, all it does is, you know, kind of take from her moment.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Honestly, thank God. You know, you're ruining it. Stuff your mouth with popcorn. But also, why not?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
So like maybe they are assembling, you know, in the galley. Because it's just one sauce.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Do you sing at musicals if you go on Broadway?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
She wouldn't. Did you see that Anne Hathaway will star in the upcoming film adaptation of Colleen Huber's best-selling novel, Verity? I wonder if there's going to be some crazy Anne Hathaway versus someone else.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
I don't know. I don't know who they haven't announced who else is casted. So I don't know who else will be starring alongside Anne. But she is a great. Yes. Yes. I've read. She's a great cast for this movie. And I am curious to see who else. We'll be plugged. I have seen like People's Dream and it involves Theo James. It involves Jamie Dorman. It involves Rosamund Pike. Love.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Which are all great, great, great choices.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Anne Hathaway, you've never done anything wrong in your entire life. If it was anything like Angie Kay's crying... then I would see... Don't come for Angie. Oh, my God. Anne Hathaway as Angie Kim. That crying was not good.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
No, I don't think it was fake tears for the camera. I don't think she was able to muster up the tears and was struggling.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
I think the only difference was the ITM versus sitting in front of her father.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Oh my gosh. Cast him in Verity, everyone.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
You have no faith.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Oh!
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Everyone's crying.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
It wasn't eye drops that you used to make yourself cry. No, it was your real tears.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
We are going to New York in December, so maybe we will get...
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Sobbing. Have you ever done that with me?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
And like, I didn't really want to watch football all weekend and smoke all the weed possible, please. You've never done that?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
He was method. Yeah. Oh my God, you're so talented.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
That's our next favorite uniform.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
You're supposed to keep crying?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
You can get John and Vinny's. I'll get Shake Shack and then we'll see. And then share.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
I was so stressed. I had just sent a Danielle home.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Period. He knew she was on Instagram. That is funny.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Is that even a question?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Unfortunately in this world, yes. A duct tape what?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Well, there is sauce on pasta. Period.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
I hope the person who spent $6.2 million at some point in their life regrets that decision.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
For sure. And I do hope that in a few years that they do regret that decision and that excuse.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Yeah. You think they're going to cut? That would be kind of messed up. I thought they were replacing it. No.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Yeah. Yeah. I want to be the one that people fight with. But then ultimately, I didn't get it. Yeah. I was so close. I'm so upset. But I just got them up to $47,000. And like, you're welcome. Here's...
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
But can I just make the duct tape banana myself? I think the fact that you have to change out the banana is, like, fucked up.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
It's a commentary on consumerism. You're giving me work, and not only do I have to spend $6.2 million, I now have to buy bananas for the rest of my life to replace my art piece?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
I needed a burrito.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
You would love it.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
It doesn't have any sauce in it. You would love it. It's really good.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
You can't have a bite without the orange juice.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
No, Nick will spend $20 on a little tiny jar of freshly squeezed orange juice.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
He doesn't like mayonnaise, so anything that's made with mayonnaise. Like a cream-based sauce. Creamy, yeah. He honestly doesn't even like Alfredo.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
It's plant-based. It's vegan. It's amazing.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
It's vegan straw. We keep referring to vegan because I am wearing a vegan leather jacket from Gap.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Genius. But marketing it as vegan leather is genius. I just love it.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Yeah. It's soy based.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Yes.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
It does say on here fake leather, yeah.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
No, he's saying what they should be doing instead of making silly little videos or doing comments, they should call their doctor, make an appointment. I think that's the whole point of all of this. It's been Dave's message.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
I feel like it's giving like old school Black Friday maniac, you know, like chaos. Where everyone's like, I need that 70 inch TV.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Yeah.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
as the sliding doors opened up and it was just like what aisle do we start on you would have loved babies rs though my niece who honestly could have anything in the entire world she's and she's been to toys the place that she freaks out about is walmart the toy aisle at walmart it is if her mom is like we're gonna go to walmart she's like seriously
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Yeah. No, it's like your grocery shopping and like, oh, I'm hungry now. Might as well get a footlong.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Love a Doritos. Yum. Doritos, Locos, Tacos, Nacho Cheese, or Cool Ranch? Nacho Cheese.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Wait.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
More like a latex Doritos bag dress. Yes.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Nick's like, does she want to or no?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
The egg is going to be cold, guys. An egg's cold is not good. Have you ever had a cold egg?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Go eat your burrito. Y'all continue talking about Potomac and I'll be right back with Jeff Lewis.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
You don't like Alfredo and you don't like lasagna.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
The way that whenever I was a server, I would constantly beg for free food back there. I'd be like, hey. You should. I'd be like, hey.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Wow. And just be like, we didn't see. Listen, there is no one who's going to compliment you more than the line cook. So true. So there's that. Except the drunk guy at the bar. Or someone at a gas station.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Well, I was wearing them all morning and then I get kind of a headache, you know? Oh, I see.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
They probably are too tight. Or I just have a really small head.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
We do. No.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Oh, no. Oh, no.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Okay, thank you. We did clean it also, so you shouldn't. You have really nice breath, Natalie. Okay, thank God.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Jeff Lewis. Wow.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Perfect, he's going to sit here in silence and not speak.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
But the bar and the gas station are creepy. And the line cook is like, hey, mama. Yeah, mama. Call me mama.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Well, I don't know if I am.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Oh, well, yes. It's the Instagram brand deals. You know what I mean?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
It's nowhere near Jen's, but... Oh, Pedranti? Yes.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
I don't love him either. I do not like Todd.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Oh, great.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
They're like, we'll put you in a city cab on the way home.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
I would agree. And I think she's been like, you should watch this back. And he's like, what's wrong with that?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
And that is true.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Right.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Yeah.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Like I hear a car door shut in my house from outside. So it's like a car crash.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Correct me my timeline, because were they was the bridesmaids dresses party that they went out to dinner after and John Jansen told them this allegedly told them that he heard the crash. Did they go to London after that?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Yeah.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Yeah.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Yeah. Laurel Canyon is a very windy, two lane, you know, people are going to hit me and they're driving too fast, way too fast, way too fast on their phones down the hill.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Like a lime scooter type of thing or like a moped?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Oh.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
That's unfortunate.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
No, of course. And so you're telling people that you saw this wreck and didn't stop.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Then maybe you could possibly get hit and then that's two accidents.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
And you were hungry. You hadn't had lunch yet. You needed to get to the restaurant.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Exactly. No, it all makes sense.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
I watched you on Watch What Happens Live when you were absolutely roasted rony because I feel the exact same way that it sucks. It's terrible. They need to end it. It feels so overproduced. Do you still stand by that watching more episodes?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
I love Lisa Barlow. We need to meet her. We need to have her on.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Yeah. I don't know if she will now since everything has transpired with Whitney and all of that. But anyways, back to Roni. How do you feel about this whole prank thing that Rebecca started? The rumor?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Also, this is the last episode with This Fall Decor.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
But it was also like they had this idea of let's find the mole, which was like could be kind of a good idea. But then you told everyone it was a prank.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Goodbye. We're done with the pumpkins. Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
But Rebecca.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Rebecca doesn't need her money. Well, I think she does need us to like buy her purses.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Yeah, that's not. That's not. So Rebecca would go. Do you like Brynn?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
You don't fly coach.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
No, no, say it.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Sure.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
I've never watched a more disgusting, gross human being on television.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Like clonking into her nine to five.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Okay.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Have you pitched this idea to Bravo and they're like, we're not doing that?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Yeah.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Solidified. Her body remains in the trash can. I've been on TV for 15 years. That's not anymore. Where? But also, never again.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Oh yeah.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Do you remember season one when all they thought about was the cheese?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
I just need them to hate each other a little bit more.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Okay. I'm not ready. Okay. Are you ready to pull the plug on Alexis Bellino?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
I think if you don't finish the first one, not boozy.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Sure. Tax write-off.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Are you saying yes more?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
That you wouldn't leave me alone about.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Like you were like, I just will say you have a lot of people working for you. And like, no one brought me.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
It was a little, but like, I feel like it was definitely nicer. It's better than where's my fucking water.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Yeah. Nick hosted her revamp of, I know I was on it.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Oh, yeah.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
You should, because you know her back hurts.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
But I just weren't talking about him.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
He does look good. I think he looks pretty good.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
She was.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
How did you feel about Heather twisting the Shannon on your show talking about the hole? Did she hear the crash and making it?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Yeah, it is weird.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
What? She said don't swipe.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Oh, after they filmed the reunion.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Yeah, do you trust Tamara after, you know?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
I mean, I think they gave the whole like, we just didn't ever know when to bring it up. It was just such a big bomb.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
You do need someone to hate.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
I was going to say.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
And why did you bring up something from 10 years ago for Katie? That was weird.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Do you read or listen or go looking for what people say? I live in a bubble.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
I would love to visit. When is it available?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
I love that. I love that.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
We do have a similar bubble. You have to. It's just us and our daughter.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Nick wants to invite Dorit to have a threesome with us. That's very interesting conversation that happened on air for the first time.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
He asked, he thought about if they would be compatible or not, so... i'm thinking no i don't know well she has been dealing with pk so i can't imagine he is anything and she's letting loose right home about like she might be a good time now she might be a good time now she's not my favorite um again i like watching her who is your favorite on bev hills
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Dorit, and Bursell, Erica, and the new one, Bozeman.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
And then everyone being like, well, then you should apologize to Bronwyn. And she's like, Bronwyn, I am so sorry.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
I kind of wish you remembered what you said.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Kind of iconic. It was kind of.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
That is funny. I have a house project for you at our house if you want to.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
We're here in the valley.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
One. How old? Nine months.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Yeah. Baby, baby, baby. Baby, baby. What's your daughter's name?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Beautiful.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Wow.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
What's her personality like? Sassy? Quiet?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Does she get that from you?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Listen, she's studious.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Yes. It's like, listen, you were bad today.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Oh my God. Is the therapist like, we need to, this is not.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
An orchid.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Are you apologizing on air or are you texting them and being like, sorry, I said this?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Wow. You piss a lot of people off, huh?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Can't do it. No. Did you take Meredith Tiffany's bangs personal? Because I did.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Audrey Hepburn. Her Audrey Hepburn breakfast at Tiffany's, Salt Lake City. Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Did you keep up? In Utah. They're currently, they were at Mary's house having a breakfast at Tiffany's.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Really?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
You have to see Meredith's bangs.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
They're not. They got them all off Amazon. Bronwyn participated as well. Bronwyn killed it. The bangs.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Audrey Hepburn is upset.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
They can't.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
I agree.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
I agree. I'm just kidding. But you're like, but you couldn't. I couldn't. Nick couldn't. I had them when I was a child.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Oh, thank you.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Ugly.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Yeah, it's working. We have an age gap.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
He's 26. Hot.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Right, of course. So was there a second date?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Despite Shane...
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
You were interested. If you're not interested to say that.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
So we have a wall in our living room. Anyway. All right.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
You will? Yeah. Will you stay for dinner?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Okay, so we have a wall with a TV on it, right?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Huge, massive wall. It's, I don't, how tall are the ceilings in there?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Something massive.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
It was. Yeah, it was new.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
It has this heinous gold wallpaper on it. Disgusting.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
So it's extra ugly. And there's just an 80-inch TV and a built-in fireplace. 85-inch. Oh, 85-inch TV.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Because it's a massive wall.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
We have no storage, not one closet, not nothing, not a linen closet, coat closet. So you want to do a whole built-in cabinet wall and all of that. Yes. So I'm like, how can I make this a storage, but still, I don't need more shelves to put more shit on necessarily.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
More like a cabinetry, yeah.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Are you, no, because we have like right next to it is our kitchen and we have three shelves there that are like styled with plates and cookbooks and whatever.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
We're like Dorit will be there.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
No, yeah, of course.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Yikes.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Especially after this episode. And then, also, we finally did watch Beverly Hills.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
it for me oh my god you can't ask any you gotta keep up Jeff I'm sorry I'm just gonna catch up this weekend well it's good you've seen Beverly Hills yes that I stayed up Kathy Hilton taking out her extensions at the party
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Iconic or doing too much?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
I mean, there's got to be something keeping her around because it's definitely not his charm.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
She did.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Do you think she's been smoking cigarettes behind the scenes? Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
They probably go for someone not married with children, but I don't know. It's just my day.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
What?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
And what if she's like, I, if I'm going to take the kids, we have to go to a, like a, like a, a park and like, well, this is Beverly Hills park.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Yeah. Wait, who is this? And why is everyone shitting on Dorit's hat when they're all in antlers? I like the hat too. I don't get that at all.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
10,000 per episode.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
What did you, they did a flashback, uh, this episode about the, uh, whose side were you on with the home invasion?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
She also, I mean, I think it's like one thing to be on the show wearing Chanel and flaunting all of your designer pieces. And then when people, it's like not that unbelievable that someone would be like, oh, they probably have designer things we should break into their house.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
What did you think of Steve Harvey? I don't care about anything else.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Right?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Do you think he's hot?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
She is smart.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Okay.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
I think so.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Brynn.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
She's pretty. She's pretty.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
She's very pretty. Brittany. Brittany.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Yeah, she needs a lot of help.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
No. No, no, no, no, we don't.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Yeah, if you become normal.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
And he might have spent it all on the Starbucks cups, because those are like, what, $42 a pop of them?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
starting a little drama and then like we've Todd and I took the two we have there's four seats in first class Todd and I took two and the rest of you guys are in coach well you'll see in this episode Heather asked her why if oh I missed it no one cares you know if like it's not that big of a deal why did she put herself in first class and Bronwyn responds with because it was my fucking credit card which I kind of loved which like
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
I definitely think she could have let them know, like, I'll get your tickets home. But like, just to let you know, it is a small plane. There's only so many first class. So I'll put you all in coach with your husbands.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Yeah.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Yes.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Oh, fun.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Oh, my God. Oh, you have?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Sure, we've helped them out.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Oh. Just lingered. It stuck to my hand. I can't get it off. I mean, pretty much.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Oh, no.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
How is your bank account looking today?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
All I'm spending. Yeah.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
I'll keep going back.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Did he get both feet down?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
When they catch a ball on the sidelines.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Did you want to bring in some tequila? Yeah.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
That's not you.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
At a strip club? Would you ever be a stripper? Maybe before being famous. If you weren't famous, would you ever? Just for a night, just to see what it was all about.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Well, OnlyFans is, yeah, that's it now.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Jeff Lewis has a 4.535 out of five. Oh, the haters have been coming for you.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Anytime there is a sack, this is when the quarterback is tackled before he has a chance to throw the ball. Say, he has to see the pressure coming pre-snap and get the ball out quick. He has to see the pressure coming. And I want you to perform. I want this to be an Oscar performance.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Oh, they like the weird ones.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Oh, they love a bunion. They love a bunion.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Would you ever?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Yeah.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
If I was drunk, if I, you know, put a gun to my head.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
That's iconic.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
When the offense gets a first down and they're past the 50-yard line, but outside field goal range, don't worry about knowing field goal range because a big red line showing it say, this could be four down territory.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
This is how to fake football like a pro. Carmen Rose. And Carmen Rose, I feel like.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
But this was three years ago.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
But I never saw. And what I did is I would go on Twitter and search hashtag Packers because I know Nick does that all the time. And I would see some of the tweets and be like, oh, that's niche. And I would text it to Nick and he'd be like, oh, my God. You're so hot and beautiful and amazing and cool. You're not like other girls. I'm quirky. I'm different. I like football. Yes, of course.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Why?
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Just say, good hustle.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Good hustle. Those refs suck. Bonus, this is always safe to say before halftime, but can also apply to the end of the game. When there's a little over two minutes left on the clock, you can say, you can't forget they have the two-minute warning. So true. That's good. So true. Oh, anytime the ref, this is one of my own, anytime the ref throws a flag down, I immediately say, pass interference.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Pass interference. Pass interference. Yeah. False start. False start. Offside. Offside.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Those are some good ones, everyone. So take out your notes app, write those down, and while the game is going, read them off.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
Matt LaFleur is so hot.
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E847 - Jeff Lewis, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, the Wicked Movie, RHOBH Premiere, and Fake Crying
No, it's going to be like just the shack burger. It's going to come with lettuce, tomato, shack sauce.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
They had a nice bump with Joey, and then... Yeah, I would say Joey's did well.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Like she was, I mean, they were pumping her full of confidence the night before.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I feel like the giving shit is only allowed in one direction.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I guarantee you, when she woke up that day, the first producer to greet her said, You're getting engaged today.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
It's also another thing they do say, which is true, right? Like if the lead's having a lot of reluctance, especially if it's the bachelor and it's a, when it's the bachelor, they basically will ask the lead to fall on the sword.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Because if the lead's feeling bad, they're like, I'm feeling bad. They're like, listen, I know this feels shitty. They kind of said the same thing to Caitlin when I was in Latia's shoes. But it's like the best moment anyone has is when they get broken up with, you know? And when America feels sorry for them.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
You do.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
right so they will convince the lead to follow through by saying like listen and they're not wrong i mean there's a lot of truth to the statement by saying you know it's going to feel shitty and yeah it's gonna i know you're doing a shitty thing but you're gonna you're gonna give her this moment right you know and you're gonna give us this moment to give to her there is a lot of truth to that because like this is you know again we don't know what america's saying we don't make people watch last night we don't know what she said at afr but
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
The only thing we are anticipating in the AFR is what was Letia going to say. And she now was given this moment to be a star. When she got in the limo, she gave us her little audition. It's not, I'm still looking for it. Maybe I'll find it someday.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
No.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I'll let you know when I'm ready.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I was like, oh, there we go.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
If they don't sit on their own.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Yeah.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
And if you do need more tears, they do have Visine in the car.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Yeah, until you're really sorry.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Can you mute your mouth for a second?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Yeah.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I just want to like, just for the people who did watch. I found the ending of Severance very... You have to talk quieter. Okay, I'm sorry.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Did you find the ending satisfying, disappointing, or...
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
At first I was a bit, I was a bit frustrated that, um, are you, can you hear me?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I was a bit frustrated about at first because, because like any was like, oh, I'm not going to go anywhere. But at least she got out.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Had she not gone, because we need a season three. If anyone complaining about the end, then like, did you want this to be a season?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Yeah.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I don't know. Sometimes she's a lot.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Do you just want to watch them tonight and come back tomorrow?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
All right. Victoria is going to be our guest tomorrow for reality recap. I'm never leaving. Great. All right.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
How young do you think she goes?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Who's her Everest?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Speaking of age gaps, when we announced our relationship, I was a bit nervous. I was like, oh, God. To say the least. I just was imagining all the names that may be thrown my direction.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Yeah, well, try to comment that on our Instagram now. You won't be able to.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Yeah.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Recently, or yesterday, Tiger Woods announced his new girlfriend.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Yeah. Um...
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
They also made an appearance on Ben Higgins' season. They went to the Bahamas.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
He doesn't even need to go to Turkey. Don't those guys go to Turkey because it's less expensive?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
It's not just like a Groupon thing?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I was like, who? One of the group dates was playing with these famous... The famous pigs. Blankoinks.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
It does seem odd that with all the money he has.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Anyway, who is he? He's dating a- Vanessa Trump. I don't even know if we're allowed to say that word because it's triggering for some people.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Which one? It doesn't matter.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
So she kept the name though?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Is she like in the fam?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
What I mean, because Tiger Woods is kind of like, you know, don't you want Tiger Woods going to your dinner party?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Woods was at the inauguration.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
He got like dirt.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Does new girlfriend have kids with the son?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Moving on. Nope.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
You're still stuck on that.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Jennifer Astin and Pedro Pascal spark romance rumors with three-hour dinner. Can't two people eat dinner?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Jennifer Aniston and Pedro Pascal spark romance rumors with Three Hour Dinner.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
He's got a new film called The Mentalist coming out. Speaking of being an actor, I auditioned for that role.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I auditioned to play his brother who gets married.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Yeah.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
He did not get it. I was honestly a little like, I was like.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Most audition process nowadays, you just like, you film, you don't even go in. It's like post COVID. They're just like, you know what? Just send something in.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I was shocked that I got an audition. It was like, I forget the apologies to the director and writer, but she is a legit person. Like award, like, and I was in, and obviously Pedro Pascal and like, uh, to take our Johnson's in it. Like it's star-studded.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Isn't Channing in it or something?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Yeah, Chris Evans is in it.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Anyways, I auditioned to play Pedro Pascal's brother.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
They do look a lot alike. I literally, and I was like, because sometimes when I get auditions, I'm always like, and if, you know, the show, we're busy here, I got a lot of things going on. I'm just like, dude, should I audition? Like, I got shit to do.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
And anyways, we did, you know, they were like, I was like, I literally called my manager like, they know who I am, right? Like, not in a like a, they know who I am.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Like, this is like a real movie. This wasn't, you know, it's not Christmas Cruise.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I was the house hottie that was a little dumb and stupid. My sexuality was yes.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
As in... You're fluid. I'm... Do you want to have sex? Yes. Oh.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Oh, and you want to know? The... I can show you when we get done. Please don't. It was the guy who, you ever seen the movie Project X?
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The troublemaker friend?
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That's the guy I kissed. Oh.
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And then on the couch next to us doing the scene was the sister in Severance.
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I'm, no, like, yeah.
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The Coop.
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Buster. Buster's in it too.
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That's me.
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That looks like you. We definitely did not take that photo together. Yeah, that's, it was low budge.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
That actually probably might've happened.
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Because that was like made for like some kind of like app streaming TV show.
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2019?
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My podcast existed when I did that. So it was after 2019. 2020 maybe? Okay.
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Yeah.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Literally.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
No.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
And that's a separate island?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
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You watch that.
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I do now because I saw it, which is kind of great.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
It is a term. I understand it's the title of a very famous good show, but it's like saying, can you take the word friends? okay that was a good analogy fine I'm sold good to know moving on so we can still use the word friends and Arrested Development it's a bit of a dig to their cast how well do you know what Arrested Development means
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
let's not do this let's get the let's get the um mary definition a stoppage or failure in the normal progression of physical or mental development oh like it's suggesting that like shep possibly craig possibly it's like peter pan syndrome it just named the uh cast that it didn't say shep or craig well shep austin and craig are the stars obviously of this i mean let's not pretend they're not the main focus of the show
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
And they are all 40-year-old men who, for various reasons, are like... Shep has hats in his living room. I never understood that. It looks like a college dorm.
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Manufacturing reality TV parties are brutal.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Did you win anything? What's your game?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
You're allowed to ask questions.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Is it like blow on the dice and wish people luck?
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Great person.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
That's your game?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I can't tell. We had her on a couple weeks ago post-filming and she was less team.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
At that point. Okay. She wasn't, like, oh, he's a horrible person and, you know.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Like, it wasn't, like, a complete, like, 180, but she was... Yeah. Seemed less Team JT. Also, like, at the end of this episode, they kind of gave us, like, because it was a season finale, like, first they... According to the show, they started dating. And I'm like, well, wait, didn't he say he had a girlfriend? So, like, was he dating this girl when he allegedly had a girlfriend?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
In three minutes on Clayton's season of The Bachelor.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
that opportunity to get closer to the women by like also piling on to taylor i imagine it was more like the producers like that's a great plan taylor we're gonna bring in sally and she's gonna start some shit with you and i'm glad that you want to like men fences but we're but that's not gonna happen here babe like we just like not good for the girl yeah and i can see that now it's like once you see it you're like well we know why sally was brought in
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
It's like a black or red situation.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Did you think that Shep was going to pull away from that kiss that they kept teasing all episode towards the end?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Thank you.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Thank you. Thank you.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I felt like you could do that without the gambling.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Well, we have a great week lined up for you. Obviously, our world's been a little crazy, so we've had to mix things up. It's a very special week. We are actually, though, going to have a reality recap tomorrow, which is usually our Going Deepers, but Thursday is actually going to be a Going Deeper. And I'm not going to say... with whom it's going to be with.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Because every time we put it out there, some crazy shit happens. But it's going to be epic. And I feel like it's going to serve a need that a lot of people are asking for. A lot of people are hoping it would happen. And we were told it wasn't going to happen. So Natalie and I stepped up.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Thank you. Thank you.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
And we made it happen. So that's what we will say. That's going to be Thursday and it's going to be epic. It's going to be fun. And I can't wait. It's going to be messy. It's going to be a lot. It's going to be a lot, lot.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
what's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of the vile files reality recap edition i am your host nick with my wife and we have a very special guest today victoria fuller is with us look who came to visit i am here oh my We love connecting with you. You're always on the go. We're always on the go. We're happy to find ourselves in the same place. We have a little pop-up here.
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We told you.
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But what do you think?
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Oh, I love Summer House.
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Oh, hey, Leah.
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Hannah talked, I don't know, she did a live or something, Hannah Burner?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
She talked about, like, getting fired from Bravo. Like, I don't remember. Like, why did she get fired? Like, that was before my time.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
It's going to be a lot of fun. Speaking of acting, I heard a rumor.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
So her truth is Kyle did get her fired.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I mean, that would be fucking crazy for Kyle to expect that no one in the cast is supposed to make money off of any other liquor. It's insane.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
right because that's what she's going around saying exactly but he has not given us any other also yeah her firing seems different than other bravo firings like you know it's like they kind of ask someone else because they're a like not that good of tv they're not that dramatic or they get put on pause because they get a dui or something but like hannah was messy and dramatic that's good tv and how do you get fired for being good tv
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
It feels like with some of these shows, like Southern Charm, it's what's his name? Who's the producer? Whitney. And then like, they're always like in Jack, like, you know, despite whatever's going on with Jack's in the Valley, like Jack's kind of organized the Valley. Kyle was like the brainchild, I think, behind Summer House.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Well, that's me throwing a little shade at myself.
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And it feels like every one of these shows has one person who's kind of like orchestrating
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I need him to hook up one more time.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I need a drunk night and I need a hookup and a regretful morning.
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Her heart is fine.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I think it's more bruised ego.
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Oh, yeah.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
This is, like, why do you keep talking about me if you don't want to... She obviously is... has a lot going for her.
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I have been paid.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
she's so pretty some might find her to be the most one of the more eligible people out there absolutely and I think she's told this a lot as you know often people are and then you have West who a lot of people like have you know he's funny and he's I mean in person we met he's a very good looking guy he's six foot he's tall like he's
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But like, you know, he presents as more like a bra, like just another guy. And everyone tells Sierra that West is beneath her. And everyone tells West that Sierra is above her.
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And then West is the one who turned her down. And I just think, you know, you got bruised. And that's a recipe for bruised ego.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Starring Vivica Fox. Wait, what? Oh, my God.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
She should know better.
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Yeah, what did I say that was so wrong? Yeah, I mean, shouldn't she?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Mary, can you show Victoria? Is this a Hallmark? Can you show Victoria? Well, I mean, like, it was like Hallmark-esque. It was like the knockoff version. It was like the minor leagues of Hallmark. That's okay. Ion? Ion? What channel? I don't know.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I don't think people who are very good flirts, and I don't know Sierra that well, but I'm guessing she's pretty good if she wants to be.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Yeah, I don't think she wants Jesse, but there's a difference between wanting Jesse and wanting Jesse to want her or like flirt. But we all flirt. Of course, but Jesse is pursuing a relationship in the house.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
It's Jesse's fault. Of course, it's Jesse's fault. Jesse is responsible. But like, does that mean like she can do whatever she wants?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
They can't both be slightly wrong.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Clearly.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I'm just... I could be wrong, but I am just guessing if the roles were reversed and some new baddie came in to the house and like last season.
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When West and Sierra were doing it and she started, you know, if Sierra was new to the house and like there was someone already there.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I just think she might feel like, you know.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I could see Lexi saying, you're not being a girl's girl kind of thing. Totally.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
if so i hate that because it's like it's his friend and it's just like he's going hard like first yeah and jesse's doing it so like if west was really good jealous he would get he would probably say something to jesse and clearly they west and jesse are just like cuddle buddies like they're i don't know i don't think so at all i would do it that's what i would do if i were sierra period but you it wouldn't be effective is what i'm saying
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
He is. I'm wrong, obviously, for sure.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
i just clearly jesse and west are like they're good to go clearly we're team girls and you're team guys yeah i'm just i learned anything from this episode wow god forbid i just like point out possibly like a perspective devil's advocate you know just you know the devil doesn't need one I'll be going 90 tonight. Yeah. For sure.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Yeah. It was their Christmas channel. Mary, can you bring up the movie poster for A Christmas Cruise starring Vivica Fox and- And Nick Viall. I'm on the poster board. No, you're not. Yeah. It was right after The Bachelor, so I played Bob the whole time.
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100%.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
If we're going to keep talking about them, kind of like with Sierra and West, I kind of want them to at least hook up.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Did you watch Mom Talk? Or Mormon Wives?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I have not heard it.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I didn't watch it. Oh, you need to.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I think it's really good.
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Oh, I'm so excited.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Because I think they're professional TV makers.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I mean, listen, like Bravo, it's like, you know, it's different than The Bachelor. You know, it's just the right reasons. And like, you know, it's just like on The Bachelor, there is this weird kind of like balance between making a TV show and real humans taking a shot at this crazy experience. It's true. And like kind of like...
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
falling in love but not knowing if it's real love or it's you have no idea you have no real idea like and you're off the grid and it's a social experiment you know and like whether it's Bravo Housewives Summer House Southern Charm these are people just like making a TV show while also living their lives
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
And you have to be, like, you just, you have to be a professional. Like, this is their, you know, I know, like, Summer House, like, we all pretend that, like.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
he makes a lot of money to go film in the Hamptons you know but like they like to pretend that's not the case but like it's going on and the Mormon wives like they're fucking professionals they show up to fucking work they give their all they are on set they are they are doing crazy shit that whether you think it's force produced or not that they it is like
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Wow. I had two scenes.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Cops sometimes need to be called, you know, like really like these women's like, no, that was before the show.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
But I also heard that next season, I heard that there it's so intense that like, think about it. It's very costly for production crews to come set up, be there without it being, you know, filmed. And I, I heard.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
That it's so intense and so messy that they had to stop down production for periods of time to let some of these women reset, protect their mental health because it was so fucking crazy and intense at times. And for it being a second season and production to be willing to cater to those needs means they're clearly getting excellent content.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Probably not, no.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I'm not Team Lisa Vanderpump right now.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
It is very waxy. Feels like it.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Simply fill out an online consultation about your skin goals and medical history, then snap a few selfies and a dermatology provider will create a customizable treatment plan just for you. The time for waiting weeks, maybe even months to get into a dermatologist is over because now you have Apostrophe.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
So anyways, back to this rumor I heard. I heard a rumor that before The Bachelorette was put on pause, that you were on an extraordinarily short list of people who were being considered as the next Bachelorette for the ABC franchise.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I have a new internet obsession. Do you like ASMR at all?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
There's this like creator online. I don't know if, like over the weekend, it just like, I saw it and I was like, oh, this is kind of like, I know I watched it like 10 times and I'm like, why am I watching it? I'm kind of weirdly, like you're obsessed. You don't know why you're obsessed. This right here. Watch, listen to this.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
This man's life is absurd. Those are really bad push-ups.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
It's 4.40 a.m. He's journaling.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Now he puts on his jewelry.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
He got up at 3. What?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I love it. It's like a little insight into his work life.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Play the track. Mary, play the track video. That's how I discovered him.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Well, I don't know. He's been all over the internet.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Yeah.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
We absolutely will not be posting. His name's Ashton. Ashton. Well, at least give him crud, you know.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Well, he was walking next to his G-Wagon. And a G-Wagon is 5'7". If you're tall. And he, with shoes on,
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I don't... Let's see here.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
But now all these, like, videos of, like, various guys like him who have all these, like, And there was this other one I found and the guy looks like Christian McCaffrey so much that Christian McCaffrey responded to the DM.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
He's like something I would never. Oh, he's like, I don't wear board shorts because the guy was wearing board shorts. But he lives in this tiny house and he also drives a Ferrari. Like all these guys live in a, like if you live in an apartment.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Why are you driving a $200,000 car?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Can't see it, man.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
This one, this is how I discovered this man. Oh.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Now it's lemons.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Guys, what is that thing for running?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I do want that bag.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
He has a friend posting, isn't it?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
That's his camera crew. Now he's getting ready to work out.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Can I get the iconic excuse you what?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
He's just running sprints. Apparently faster than the car.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Yeah.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
You never know what to believe on the air.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Well, his friend might have said, trust your gut. And it's like, which one?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I would disagree.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I think your body knows. And I think we are so good at lying to ourselves and not listening to our body or our gut. And like, and that's the thing that you're calling your gut is the thing. It's the voice that says, There's that part of you that says something's going on. And then you're like, no, that's crazy. I don't want to be neurotic. I'm nervous. You know, like I don't want to... Maybe.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
You know, but there's always something that says...
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Like when you find out to be, when you find out, when you're blind, whatever it is, you're, you get some news and you're, you know, like you never, you're, are you totally fucking always just being like totally 100% blindsided or is there a part of you that says, you know, that one part that felt a little off and I just kind of ignored it because I didn't want to seem crazy and I don't want to like, I don't want to be the neurotic person.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Is there any truth to this rumor? And if I can be clear, I heard it from a few people, but sometimes rumors aren't true.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I don't want to like, you know.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I thought you meant Richards.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
If I was just like, hey...
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
You don't think so?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
What are your top three least favorite jobs for me? Like, this all goes to shit.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
least favorite um yeah i i want to pivot i'm like you know what podcasting i've done it i'm over it it's like i don't know anymore i want to blank i think dj's definitely up there i think dj's number one what oh yeah oh sorry just let me justin's like no dj's definitely up there i think if you were like lifestyle coach
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I think the difference between.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
if i'm gonna give advice for living outside of an ethnic episode on a podcast i'm gonna go to school and become a therapist i think that would be great i'm not gonna call myself a lifestyle coach and start selling like cd products and like yeah and videos of my day with asmr could you imagine i could see it honestly i would giggle you deep down hate me no
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
When I heard that rumor, and I heard this rumor after it was put on pause, I also heard that short list were some of your usual suspects of people you might suspect.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Because I wouldn't be motivational.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
A background dancer? I can't sing, but I can dance. What if?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I call up Clayton Eckhart. I'm like, hey, can I join?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
he is getting good i you know you know he went through a lot of trauma at this point i thought we were done hang up the ballet shoes they're not ballet shoes they're jordan's yeah he's hip-hopping yes of course listen i was i made this is love because early in our dating time period i'm scared i made i made natalie film me roller skating oh and i look back and i was like the
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
For what? And I was like, hey, I need to post this video.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
No, it's the biggest, you know, it's like, I look back and I was like, well, this is before, I didn't even know what ics were at this point. Like I didn't, it wasn't like a internet thing. And I looked back and that was.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
i was furious i was furious because i thought that would be an epic decision uh they maybe have some good options there were some other you know people that people have been calling for uh but peter season was one of the more iconic seasons uh we haven't had i don't remember the last time we called a bachelor or a bachelorette season iconic
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
It wasn't that. That was a different friend.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Because I've been roller skating since I was like three.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
When I put on roller skates, I feel fucking free. I just, I love it.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I love rolling around and dancing on wheels. I know.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
And you know what I did? I went to the YouTube Creator Summit.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
And as a, I'm sorry, baby.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I didn't see your hand there. As like a group activity for like bonding, they went roller skating. So I went roller skating.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I don't give a fuck. The one time before I met Natalie, I have a friend, dear friends of mine are friends with Emma Stone, name drop. And she hosted a fundraiser that also included roller skating. So I was, through friends, invited to said fundraiser.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
dancing on the skating rink and everyone's like what does that Nick Sebastian like what the fuck is going on
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I was stoned out of my mind. And then I had a friend. My friend, who's also there, friends with my friends, got invited. She was there with her boyfriend. And I believe the Hames sisters were there. It was the stars. Wow. And we were in this VIP group.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
We were in this VIP group. just through friends I was just a tag along and our mutual friend her boyfriend was there and she was breaking up with her boyfriend at this event they got in a fight and I went to my friend and I sat down next to her and like pat her on the back also Brie Larson was there Captain Marvel Oscar award winning actor terrible names
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I came over to console my friend and I believe like in Brie Larson and the Haim sisters like thought that was my girlfriend and they thought and then because like so and then I wanted to go back roller skating and so I like patted my friend in the back and went and just started skating again and like Brie Larson thought I had broken up with my girlfriend and just said and patted her like on the shoulder she thought she was witnessing like me being an absolute monster
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Well, she was like, uh, I know she asked our friends, they're like, is that, I'd like to hate you. And then my friends were like, no, that's not what's going on.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Anyways, back to the, when I went roller skating a couple months ago, I thought to myself, you know what? I get to do this with my daughter in a couple years.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
You're an iconic character.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
What a whirlwind rollercoaster you went on. Thank you for fighting for us after that.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
You told me it was hot. In fact, I remember specifically if I want to get real TMI, you looking up at me and going, that's your hair looks so good.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
She was like, I think you need to go to Turkey. And we will be going to Turkey after this.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Still not as crazy as the White Lotus, which you haven't. Please don't.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Tonight?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Can we talk about your love life since you brought it up?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Great. Love. Thank you.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Well, how is your heart?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I hate this.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Yeah. But yeah. I don't know if you're on the top of their list or you never know because they will talk to another people or where you fell in. So there were at least some conversations.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
So we're going to get 10,000.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
How do you meet people?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Is he older, younger, same age?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Is he your age?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Is he younger?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
This is the first date. It is. How much have we talked with the date? How blind are we going in? Or texting?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Did he like, hey, I'd love to call you or did he just randomly call you and just thought maybe she'll pick up? Because that's considered psycho behavior in 2025.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Did you like play I spy as you drove? Yeah.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I think you would have been fantastic.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
You would have been, they need to bring back some people from that era. Yeah, I agree.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Do you know how to score in tennis?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Do you know how they keep score in tennis?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
What's 0-0?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
What?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
A birdie?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Different sport.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
And how optimistic are we about said date?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Thank you.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I just want you to know that ever since I've heard this rumor, I have been trying to do my part.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
For anyone that I think could be involved in this decision, I've been saying, y'all fucked up and you should have just picked Victoria. Don't overthink this.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Thank you. Thank you.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Thank you. Thank you very much.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
She would be excellent. It would be dramatic. And it would be an entire season of promos being like, excuse you, what?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Thank you.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
And just to be clear, because obviously people run with rumors, you were never actually asked or anything like that. No. There were just rumblings, conversations.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Are you interested if we go this direction type of stuff? Yeah. I'm sure other people were being talked to as well.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
We don't want to put you in a position where you're claiming that it was like a done because like, you know, we've heard all these different things like, oh, so and so was asked and blah, blah, blah, or, you know, yada, yada.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I think you were on a very, very short list of three.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I think three.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
And by all you mean, like, who do you know who's left working there? Because like everyone's been either fired or quit or let go.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Yes, a food truck.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
it's a there's a lot going on there can you imagine when they got to hometowns and then i've been like hometowns it will be victoria's first stop congratulations like you didn't show up yeah no your family showed up no my family was definitely there they showed up i excused peter from hometowns it's like actually this isn't gonna happen so you just walked back inside being like hey guys
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Did you actually talk to your family that night? Like after? Because like when we watched it, it looked like you were just like, I'm not fucking doing this. And like, this is stupid. And you like walked off and it made it seem like your family was like, where's our kid going?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
What have you been up to?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Remind us.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
It was a long time ago.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Yeah, thank you.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
We have that saved on our soundboard.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Why didn't you go? Peter was questioning your integrity.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Well, since we're on the topic, we now know that Grant is engaged to Juliana. So congratulations to the happy couple. Thoughts and prayers for Latia.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
It'll be interesting. We are recording this before AFR. We've seen the finale, but we haven't seen the live AFR. So we don't know what Latia said last night. For those of you who watched, we're not familiar with what happened, you know, whatever confrontation. We'll obviously talk about that tomorrow. I will say I thought Grant did an excellent job.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
you know, as someone who knows the position he was in. And like, Grant is someone who is very green. You can tell, like, he didn't even make it, like yourself, didn't make it to hometowns for different reasons.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Yes, I'm sorry. I don't know.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Grant didn't even make it to hometowns. You opted out.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Why were you in the Bahamas?
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Grant wasn't even given the choice to not go to his hometowns. So he was obviously under the direction clearly of the show and the producers. And to me, it's obvious that he is following a lot of other people's leads and trusting a lot of people. Listen, like The Bachelor, The Bachelorettes, they are accountable for their choices. Yada, yada, yada.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
My only note to Grant is like, maybe don't kiss her twice uh or constantly say but i love you like in general people just like for the world if you're gonna break up with someone do not say things like but i still love you and i still care about you and like but not just cut and dry be the bad guy be the bad guy let them be mad um
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
Other than that, though, I thought Grant was like when he was like, you know what? You're right. I'm going to own like he just he he he knew he was going to take it on the chin. I thought he did the best he could. He's clearly a guy who is very respectful and like did his best. It also I think he was forced to wait as long as he did.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
And I think he was told to say things that led on Latia and he's in a bad spot. totally get where latia is coming from i don't know what she said last night and you know she basically made it seem like she was going to come in with a lot of like receipts receipts were like well you have a lot of like explaining to do my guess is is that like it's really not that big of a deal
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
You have great color.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I literally, as someone who's been in her position twice, knows exactly what she's going through. I'm sure she spent every day from the time Grant broke up with her to last night thinking about all the things Grant said to her that felt fucked up, that felt like she was let on, misled. And I have no doubt that she's justified to feel that way. But I don't think he did anything really egregious.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
I was like, oh, my wife's real pale. No, I'm just kidding.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
We already know nothing happened in the fantasy suite because Latias is like, no, I'm good. Assume. But I don't think Latia's... I'm guessing Latia's not going to come out and be like, I don't think she's going to be as stupid as me.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
So there's that.
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E906 - Victoria Fuller, Bachelor Finale, Southern Charm, Summer House, Ashton Hall, & Tiger Woods New Boo
How do you feel about that, Natalie? Don't think you need to do that. I also must suck to be in her position because if you have a broken heart, you at least want the world to see. And I just don't know if a lot of people watch. this season. Oh, they didn't? I don't think it's a highly performing season.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Finding healthy snack choices for your kids can be a challenge. So many bad options out there. So where can you find a place that only is giving you good options? Well, that's Thrive Market. Let's be honest, raising a family today feels like navigating a maze of unhealthy options between hidden sugars, artificial ingredients, and misleading labels.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Maybe Vanita will let us know if she was fake drowning.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
It's where like hot people who can't cook go to eat healthy food. Yes.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
This is bad press for LA. Refresh off the California fires where obviously there's a lot of people in need in LA. Obviously, we know that LA is a city that does have a lot of money for some people, not a lot of people. in this city and the fact that, like, it's making news that there's a grocery store in L.A. selling $20 strawberries and they're flying off the shelves is a bad luck for us. Yeah.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Yeah. What do you mean a cluster of ice cubes? What if I walked into the ocean? They were like martini balls of ice.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
That's crazy. Absolutely not true. No, she's ahead of Steve after Jeff. I went to New York for our wedding. Our wedding.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
What's the opposite of pristine for all the ladies who didn't?
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
of the podcast episode. Do you think she's lying?
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Literally, it's like, well, I mean, have like- Have they ever scripted a podcast? Is their entire show scripted? They're a scripted podcast. No, I know. But I'm saying- Oh, this specific- That'd be like if one day we were like, that one episode, you know, where we said that thing that pissed you guys off. That was so scripted.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
That was literally written by Mary.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
She's taking a leave.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I think there's a difference between writing a joke or two or coming up with a story that Call Her Daddy, when they were talking about the fucking...
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Gluck Gluck 3000 or whatever yeah I think they definitely talked about some of their anecdotes or whatever but that's not the same as like a scripted whole episode but do you think blaming like non-landing jokes on it being scripted as a cop-out yeah because like if anyone on this team wrote a joke and I said it and then I first of all read the joke said oh That's funny. I'll say that.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Congratulations. I went to New York. Let's try it one more time. I went to New York for our friend Emma's wedding and her husband, Adam. Good friends. You guys may know Emma Gray. She was a writer for HuffPost. Well, I went by myself. So, you know, sometimes when you're a married couple, you have a kid, you have to divide and conquer. I went as a representative of the family.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
And then delivered said joke. Then there's the whole opportunity for us to, like, listen as a group to the joke. And then we, you know, edit the episodes. And someone's like, everyone listens to that joke. And everyone's like, you know, does it land? You know, there's several, even for our very, like, on a, you know, very simple process over here at the Vow Files. Like, it's...
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I mean, listen, it's tough. Everyone wants to be a comic. Everyone wants to tell a joke. There's a lot of conversations about comedy being dead and things like that.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
You can say anything if it lands. Or not, but the thing is, I don't know who this person is, but she's not, and this is not meant to be a criticism, but my understanding, she's not a professional comedian, right? We have Nikki Glaser on, we've had her on for a couple times, and every time Nikki Glaser has come on, she says multiple things that piss off this audience.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
And you know what Nikki thinks? Not a goddamn thing.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
you know what i'm saying she doesn't give a fuck she's a professional comedian so when she goes on stage and tells her jokes and does roasts she does say things all the time that rub people the wrong way she doesn't issue apologies you know she is a comedian she just like allows people to like consume her art and have an opinion and when non-comedians go on a platform and try to tell jokes and they don't land i don't i mean i don't think you know if you're gonna tell a joke i'm
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Own it. Own the joke and lean in. Or apologize and stop telling jokes. But you know what I'm saying?
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Don't split the difference and be like, well, I told that joke. It's not my joke. And I'm not a comedian. So don't tell jokes. Or tell the jokes and say I was joking and don't fucking apologize. Because you know what I've learned in 2025? Not a single apology has ever landed ever with anyone that you're apologizing to. They don't give a fuck about your apology. They just want to make you pay more.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
So don't even say you're sorry. If you actually hurt a person with your actions, not like the internet, fine. You should probably apologize for it. Like you don't, don't apologize the internet. The internet doesn't give a fuck.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Comedians don't apologize. They tell their jokes. They move on. They, you know, they do their thing, you know.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Didn't Sierra say something like she accused him of being a catfish or something?
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
But didn't she say her mom was like the biggest Southern Charm fan ever? Her grandmother.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
But she doesn't know who Whitney is.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Yeah. I mean, not surprising. I'm just saying that's not really a catfish.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Again, it's not it's not catfishing. Catfishing is when you're pretending to be someone else like showing a picture.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
That's just you being really insecure and delusional.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
It's like gaslighting. No, it's not. Catfishing is pretending to be someone you're not.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Yeah, I understand it's misleading. It's not. I'm just saying it's not catfishing. Oh, my gosh.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Words don't have meaning anymore.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
This congressman was on Watch What Happens Live?
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Oh, okay.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
OK, well.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Did you see Rachel's Brawny commercial?
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I think he's off the grid. Yeah.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Do you think Craig's going to get some kind of commercial?
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
It's so hard to know what is actually good for our kids.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Rachel's getting Scandival treatment after Matt James.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
What would Craig's commercial be?
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
There we go.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I don't think he's going to get one.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Oh, Liam Meester is a... Yes.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Well, I'm just saying, like, Natalie didn't get her... Well, this is another... This is a... Not to pivot, but, like, question for the points people out there. I'm not, like, a bunch of a points person. Like, fine. Like, credit card points, airline points. I got them. I started using them. I'm a Delta points person. Natalie... has an account, but hasn't been accumulating them.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
When is season two supposed to come out? Are they filming right now?
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Thank you.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
So when we travel together, she doesn't get the perks of an upgrade.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Thank you.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Anyways, I am curious though. It's just like from an airline standpoint, what is the point of having points? Like I'm a, I'm a, I'm a platinum diamond something bullshit. What does that even mean? What it means, what I think it means is that instead of being like not even on the upgrade list, I'm like 15th. So like, what's the fucking point?
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Thank you.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Thank you.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Like every two years.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I can buy myself a free plane ride.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Thank you.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
And that's after a lot of money spent.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Thank you.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I don't need your fucking lounges.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I just like, I don't know the point of like community food, even though it's private community food.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Watching this season, it feels like he kind of has been ostracized by the rest of the cast. The guys really want nothing to do with him. Madison wants nothing to do with him. And it sure looks like, especially after hearing your story now, it sure looks like his big plan was to make sure you were cool with him because no one else was and no one else would fuck with him
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
and we know like you can't create a scene if you have no one to do a scene with and it was like well at least I have Vanita and it seemed like he almost used you to have like a seat at the table and his quote unquote quitting the show was more like him trying to get ahead of being fired because everyone's like I don't want to fuck with this guy anymore
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
To what? Back into what?
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I mean, his response to you that I can't do anything about it is crazy. I mean, he could do something about it. He could have been, like, because she came after you, right?
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Or, yeah, he could have been like, it's not her fault. I like she's she has a whole different impression of my intentions. It's my fault. I did this like that's on me. You should be bad at me. Not not Vanita. You could have done that. Damn.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Is his heart healed?
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I don't think they should be attacking anyone, but Shep looked the most vulnerable this episode. She'll come and go. She just doesn't like Shep, but this is more Shep's fault. What is she doing?
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Imagine being in her shoes for anyone sitting in this room and you too, Vanita. It's just like, imagine kind of dating someone. You kind of like them. You're not sure you're on the fence. Like they seem nice. You've had some good moments. He's like, I'm going to bring a whole TV crew with me on our next date.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Fine, whatever. But either way.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Fine, but then maybe it was too much for her and they show up and she's getting a little cold feet. He's mean like sending her a text about the freckle on her lip. I'm just saying it's a little intense.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I mean, calling Whitney a catfish when you watch the show is wild, but I don't, you know, that's a whole other debate.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Well, she referred to Whitney as a catfish because apparently they matched or something. And I was like, don't you watch the show?
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
What else?
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Mary, it's nothing special.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Gotcha. Do you think just from what you're seeing or just from what you know of the man, because you know him better than we do, do you think his heart is still broken or do you think he's milking it? Both. From your perspective, how do you think he's milking it?
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I'll take you.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Do you think you should, like, let everyone know what Paige is or isn't doing?
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I thought you were going to complain about my phone being, I knew not to start.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Wow stuff. Vanita, thanks so much for taking the time and opening up about your relationship with JT and your thoughts just on your cast in general. Excited to see things shake out at the reunion. Hope it goes really well for you and hope that you get the justice that you deserve.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Do you need us to start any type of hashtags or like anti-JT things going into the reunion?
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
He played you. He played you.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
We'll come for JT's throat. And then when he says... And he was like, hey, what's this all about from your interviewing? And you can be like, sorry, I can't do anything about it.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
We like that, don't we?
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Fuck JT.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Vanita, have a great day. Best of luck at the reunion. We appreciate your time. Take care.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Oh, what a sweetheart.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
She gave it.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Read him to filth, whatever. She just called him a beta.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Beta move is kind of wild.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
She's calling him not a man. A loser. To be clear, like a loser, you know, like.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
It's giving, it's giving, I'm not over it and I still care. And like, yeah, it's just mean.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
She's just trying to be mean.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
100%.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
He clearly wasn't expecting it, didn't anticipate it. You know, Paige and Sierra came for his throat. He looked the way he did. It wasn't great. All of Summer House Nation was coming at him. And then like and then he's not supposed to what speak on it or respond.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
He didn't sound like he felt good.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Maybe as far as their relationship goes, but publicly, he wasn't.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
It's not like she got his permission to come at him at the reunion.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I was getting our daughter. Nick.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
continue this heated debate momentarily we have alex from the bachelor with us to talk about her recent exile from well not really the mansion she was castle she was kicked out of the castle in scotland all right let's bring her on traders influence knows no bounds alex alex hello how's it going good how are you i'm good how are you guys I'm all right. Did you burn the first impression rose?
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
And then Grant found out about it and sent you home. Is that what happened? Yeah.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Alex, what happened? You, you were like, you know, first impression rose. You got the first one-on-one. He took you to the mall.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
You were shocked. You were surprised you were caught off guard.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Oh yeah. We saw it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Who surprised you the most in terms of the ladies who made it to hometowns? And why was it Zoe?
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I didn't know.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
So having been familiar with that atmosphere in filming, sometimes we saw Zoe make a lot of waves early on, ruffle some feathers, and then it became the Carolina show. And then Zoe kind of almost took a backseat a little bit with the drama. I am curious... from what you remember of the filming, was that how it played out?
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I only ask because sometimes if there's drama early on, and then you find out, or the producers find out, or the show finds out that, say, Grant, in this case, has a thing going with Zoey, They might be like, hey, Zoe, stop pissing so many people off. Did you see Zoe kind of cool things off? Or were we just not privy to some of the drama that she was involved in? Which is more accurate?
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Carolina, what were your thoughts on on her? Was she misunderstood or just a just really obnoxious energy sucker?
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Well, I just turned it off. Fine.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Can you fill in some of that context for us that we might be missing?
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Oh, that's the worst answer ever, Alex.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Let us know. You're allowed to say things that we didn't get to see.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Will you be looking to develop a relationship with Carolina post show?
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
What do you mean?
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
That typically... Yes, I have a favorites list. It hasn't been updated since 2012.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
It's like, like, would anyone actually give up their time?
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Literally... The people that aren't calling you can get through. Is that what happens? If you're on a favorites list, you get bumped?
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
No, no, I don't think you're full of shit. I think, yeah, I get it. You're being very safe and, you know, you don't want to ruffle any feathers, you know.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I think you should slash her tires.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
uh definitely yes i think that would be very have you been scouting any of the boys from previous seasons any any biceps you've been really into or you know six packs that you're like you see them on pictures and you're like and then you see their personality and you're like we won't we won't hold you to anything you know you we still you you still can reserve the right to get the ick from any of them
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Your piano's an ick for you?
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
That was your kiss of death. Grant knew it. You can't hide a neck and he felt it and he knew it. And you're like, she doesn't appreciate my music.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
It's a teachable moment for Grant.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
What do you think of his song song? Party Girls. Yeah, Party Girls. Did you listen to that?
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
As you see it now from a viewer's standpoint, we're spoiler free. Obviously, I know you are too. Who do you think are his two front runners?
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
What's your opinion?
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
It's the worst answer, Alex. The absolute worst.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
So what is your... I can't tell the difference between Juliana and the lawyer.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Dina. Can't tell the difference. How? One has blonde hair, one has brown hair. They seem like the exact same person to me.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I almost had to side with Carolina when... Dina was going after her? When Dina was going after her. It was just like, she's supposed to what? Give up her time? I mean, listen, the whole pulling aside and her crying and being the damsel in distress, obviously that was obnoxious. But like, You're on The Bachelor.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
You know, I thought the most interesting thing Alex said when she was like, you really need your girls to have a good time here.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Sure. But it also is giving like, don't ruffle the house because they'll bully the fuck out of you.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I mean, that's my point. It's just like, yeah, you have to make friends, but clearly this group of friends, I don't even think it's any one person. It's like the house becomes this organic living thing where the house is only caring about no one winning, everyone having fairness, not ruffling feathers.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
And the house makes the rules just basically go after anyone who is, like, not playing by the house's rules. And it's kind of bullshit.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
And I love her, but like she deserves all the criticism she's getting. I'm not, we're not defending Carolina. We're criticizing how the other women are handling someone who clearly is obnoxious and not, you know, but like, They're also making her point, Carolina's point, which is like they're justifying her being obnoxious for them being mean girls. I mean, they are.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
She's definitely doing too much. It was just more, that's an insane ask to be like, yeah, you shouldn't, you're not.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Basically, they were saying, prove your loyalty to us, the group, and turn down your conversation with Grant, and then we can talk.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I think in Grant's defense, I think the people running this show are very they're in charge.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
When Carolina and Grant were having a conversation, I... he said something I wish I wish I had the tape I think she was like begging him to send her home and he was like there's like a time and a place for that and it told me that Grant was like didn't feel like he had the the green light to send her home in that moment like it seemed like Grant was like
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
oh, you know, we'll see at the rose ceremony kind of thing. And I think, you know, for different leads in different seasons, there's been a different environment and a different collaboration. You know, like when, way back when, when I was a bachelor, it felt like it was like we were making a show together. You know, they were like, you know, it was kind of a negotiation.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Like, help me find love, so to speak, and I'll help you make a great TV show. And it doesn't seem like there's a, you know, it's like, you're our bachelor. Here are the rules. Do this, do this. We'll make sure you find love at the end. But like, Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
What was the frustration?
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
How many times did he ask her?
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Thank you. Thank you.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Thank you.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Thank you.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Oh, do we need to have a list of all the things I do?
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Thank you. Thank you.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Thank you.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
And I'll be like, I will never pack for you again. You want to get into that story? One time. That's the first time Natalie packed me. And she's referring to this one particular time where I didn't let up. Because where did we go? I forget.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Yes, it was our honeymoon. I was on honeymoon. She was like, I'm going to pack for you. My love, I'm going to pack for you. I got you.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
If you started dating someone who was actively on a regular basis sleeping with someone.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Acts of service, yes, yes. And she looked beautiful, by the way. My wife on her honeymoon looked stunning. She had a variety of outfits and selections.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I mean, I don't know who his friends are or how they know. Exactly.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I don't know who these friends are.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I don't like how he's handling that. I'm only speaking on the fact that like finding out that someone in this situation is had a fuck buddy for two months right before. How unserious was it? And I know she said it was unserious, but I'm just saying, sex is not a nothing thing.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I definitely wouldn't say, I just don't believe you. That's pretty much what he's saying. If you were telling me something different than people I trusted, who was like, yeah, so I found this shit out about you, it would probably affect me. It would probably rattle me. And if I had a decision about whether we had to get married two weeks from that, my judgment might be clouded.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I had a pair of pants and maybe two shirts.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Because he is.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
If this was the other way around, I just feel like y'all would be not the same.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I was like, you packed for me? She packed me like three items.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
So if this loser guy, fuck buddy guy is out there saying these so he's making up rumors allegedly and he's telling these friends of Dave's who like fine they don't know who this guy is they're just like yeah this fucking guy is out there saying they did this I'm just saying Dave's immediately like just supposed to like blindly believe her no matter what
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I'm not saying he's handling it well at all. And I don't like that he abandoned her that night. But the fact that he is supposed to just dismiss it outright and pretend he doesn't have questions or pretend he doesn't care, I just think is unrealistic in this setting.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Great question. More of her stuff.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I just feel like, you know, yeah, I understand it's 2025 and I understand hookup culture is like a farm. It's more acceptable. It's more prevalent. But like sex is not a meaningless thing to a lot to a lot of people. If you were just like having regular sex with someone leading up to the show, regardless of who you are.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I don't know what sex means to her, but it might mean something to Dave. I'm just saying like, and I know he's a man.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
That is true.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I'm just saying sex isn't meaningless.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
But instead... What if his friends don't want to be on the show?
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I just think.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I'm just like the idea that like fucking is meaningless and sex is meaningless.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
You guys are just like, oh, it's fucking. It's nothing. They weren't serious.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Yeah. Anyways.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I don't think it's her fault, and I think he's definitely handling it poorly. I just think he is allowed to feel a certain way about the fact that she was in a physical relationship shortly prior to coming on this show, and I don't think that makes him a bad guy.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I love you too. How are your flowers?
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Moment?
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I don't know, but when people ask my advice before going on these shows, one of the things I say the most to them is be very careful about your dating life and leading up to going on these shows because it will come up. And if a show is about getting married or engaged, your intentions about taking this experience seriously will be questioned. It always has been.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Now, are you referring to the time where like season like episode five started and she's like half looking and then like she's like, I don't know, I have so many followers. And then she just kind of stopped.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
There's no other blonde right now. So that's why I'm like.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
If they're not together, if Daniel and Taylor aren't getting together at the reunion, it'll be interesting if she's like, actually, I went back and he was following me.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
But they should all sign prenups. His family, though, is kind of like questioning it.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
It's like, hey, babe, it might not work out.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Or doesn't understand. Maybe she's giving Tom Schwartz, who wanted a prenup. For his $200. And he had $200 to his name.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
29? Why are they making this age gap thing such a storyline? There is no age gap. He looks 10 years older than me. He looks 45.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
This was giving Nick and Natalie Cher a cup.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I'm sorry.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
What happened was I sent her flowers just because.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
When she was like, you don't like that fold. He's like, I did not like that fold.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I spent... I was thinking about it. About $12,000 a year on my wife for flowers. Bougie flowers. Does it come with a vase? It does.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
When she was like, I'm supposed... But I guess it could... I guess it should be you. Like, the sabotaging your sister's relationship because you're not in a relationship and gonna get married. That's some dystic shit.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
than to be dating somebody that your sister well the problem i really had with it it's like whatever don't like your sister's boyfriend or whatever have a problem with the show fine but she she was basically accusing joey of being manipulative and she was like he's he clearly says things because you know he's saying the right things she accused him of lying and being an actor and being disingenuous like that's that's a pretty strong accusation
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
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The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Solely based off the fact that, like, you're not about to get married.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
And your younger sister is.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
And she's like, and then she's like, well, I don't know if I'm going to be able to get that. And her sister's like, well, I think you should hold out. First of all, 6'5, specifically, first of all, take out. any type of ethnicity or like, you know, preferences around that or occupation, but six, five.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
How many, what's the percentage of men that are six, five?
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Less than 1%. Now, what were her other qualifications? Italian model. How many of them? Now just Italian.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Over 6'5". No, listen. It's going to be nothing.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Less than a half a percent?
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
So already a rarity in general for the entire nation.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
But her sister is like earnestly telling her sister to like forego this guy who seems to be like pretty nice and have a really good chemistry with her. Seems to be a really, really a real gentleman.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I sent him just cause. And anyways, it was a week and a half away for Valentine's day. And he was like, Hey, we're getting busy for Valentine's day. Would you like to get on the, uh, on the sketch? And I was like, sure.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I feel like I heard about this way back in the day when it happened.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
But it's a little tough if you even if let's say you believe his story, his story of being four years ago. If someone says, listen, if anything comes out, no matter what, I will never believe you. And he's this this this is a person who based on his story is already coming out saying shit. I could see why he still has a look of like, yeah, I mean, I don't think anything's going to come out.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
It's a little weird, but... I can at least empathize with why he was unsure about the time, like doesn't have his phone on him. I don't know. These people are so like.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
No, I get it. I mean, but I'm saying they're in this like science experiment. I just think you guys don't really appreciate just the mind fuck that it is to be in this social experiment they're in. So to, to criticize the, their choices they're making in it, you know, I think it's easy from our position to be like, he should have said this and he probably should have.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
That was the one time he gave me a little heads up.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I think it's a weird thing to call someone your fiance, which I get there. They are, they are engaged. They're about to get married. Who's also someone you didn't know three weeks ago. It's just a mind fuck. It's a weird thing. And, um, I don't think there's a right answer. He was probably hoping there could have been a producer being like, I don't know, she's fucking crazy.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
This shit always happens all the time. It's not a thing. Don't bring it up. How many times have I brought up things to friends or girlfriends at the time and they were like, why'd you tell me that? I didn't need to know that. It was an earnest attempt to be honest.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I did get a cost at the wedding, though.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
It's not that big of a deal. Like post bachelor, like after I was the bachelor and I was in a relationship, there were things that I really wanted to be transparent and honest. And there was a lot of things where it was like, I didn't need to know that. Thanks for telling me. And, you know, so I don't know. I don't think it's that simple.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I think there's a lot not going on this season. Yeah.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Yeah, four years ago?
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Well, four years ago.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Wedding was tons of fun. Wonderful. It was... I really, obviously, since our wedding, which we loved, and it was, like, the best wedding ever, but, you know, because it was ours, so biased, of course. But this was in New York. It was at this beautiful Chinese restaurant. It was my first Jewish wedding. which was a lot of fun. The culture, the community, so much fun. Like, just great.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Even if they did.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Traders, well, we'll keep it short and sweet because we do have Martin Kove coming up here momentarily. But I think my biggest takeaway is if I go on Traders ever, if I ever get the opportunity, I don't think I'll be able to give this many shits like Danielle and Carolyn.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Like, I get they're sad, I get they're excited, but, like, they're really leaning into this being, like, life or death.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
According to Chrishell, who was here last week, I mean, the fact that she's swearing on family members. Another thing I won't do if I go on Traders. Like, I don't care if I'm a faithful. I don't care if I'm a traitor. If you ask me to swear on my kids, I'm like, fuck you.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I think they appreciate how intense she is. I think they appreciate just how like giving of the moment, like they're leaning into. And I think for them to like air that would make, you know, Danielle is making excellent TV. She's been, I mean, we can debate whether it's kind of shady to watch. Yes. swearing your kids.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I think she's a savage. I mean, like, hard to watch, whatever, but she's an absolute fucking savage. You know, we all, like, fawned over Boston Rob. Well, fuck, man, he's a distant memory. She's outlasted all the traitors. She's, like, she's... No one thinks she's a traitor. I mean, no one thought Caroline was a traitor.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
And the way, like, Danielle set up Caroline and, like, absolutely just eviscerated her was just really... I mean, fuck, man. She's just fucking...
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I think Brittany knows she's a traitor. I think Brittany suspects now that she, I think she knows now before the episode ended before Danielle took off her hood. I think she even said it'd be obvious. I think she definitely is expecting Danielle to be underneath that hood.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
but I don't think she told her and I think Danielle based on what we heard about Chrishell is that like if that's all true Danielle is like seriously worried about like her being like I think she realizes she said some crazy shit and that's what's protecting her and She deserves to... I mean, I don't know. Maybe we should no longer believe people who say things like that.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
It was at this beautiful Chinese restaurant. And what I loved about it is because, like, if I were to have one... Our wedding was great. And I think the food was fine.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Maybe for all we know, in Danielle's family or circle of friends, they think swearing on family members is the dumbest fucking thing. It means nothing, and it's something people do. And they're like, sure, I swear on my fucking cousins, because who gives a fuck? Because none of that matters, and they're not superstitious people, and they think it's stupid.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I think they still want to protect because I think they still want to protect their traders and they still want to protect how crazy everyone's losing their minds. And it makes because it makes it more dramatic. If we knew that Danielle said that we would be like, that's why people aren't suspecting Danielle as opposed to like being more like, why aren't people suspecting Danielle?
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
It makes for better TV.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
They're always like, I don't have enough evidence.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
But, like, the food was fine. I don't know if anyone was, like, talking about the food when we got done.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Danielle and Caroline made a huge mistake by not recruiting Gabby as a traitor. The fact that it was that it was Brittany or nobody.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Caroline's not wrong, though. They recruited Caroline. Caroline was absolutely right for saying no. Danielle was absolutely wrong for being anyone but her. Yeah, well, that's on Danielle. Well, although she got, she did, I don't know, or not. She got her way.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Yes. Also, what do you think about, forgetting about, I know we're all coming at Danielle here. for swaying on her kids. Little fucked up of Carolyn to go to Dylan and be like, this is why people judge me and not take me seriously, make Dylan feel fucking bad about people not believing her.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
But she was leaning into that narrative to protect herself. And then going to Dylan and making him feel like he had judged her in a wrong way. And what he did, he started picking up on her dishonesty. And then she made him feel bad for it.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Oh, it's also, yeah, a total fucking game.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
It's chill as fuck. But if we're going to call Danielle out, I think Caroline is no different.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
No, I think you're wrong. Now that Caroline's gone, Brittany does not have the option. But before, I believe.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
They did.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I hope she does.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
We'll see. Well, up next, we have a very endearing conversation with Martin Cove. You know him from the hit series Cobra Kai, also from the Karate Kid movies. He has some great endearing stories, obviously, about his time on Cobra Kai. It was a great chat with Martin. I look forward to you listening to it, and that is up next. Yeah, and it's kind of one of the things I'm working on now.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
People were full, but, like, I don't think the food was, like... You remember the food from this wedding in the best possible way. It was like at a Chinese, it was like an amazing Chinese food restaurant. And it was like, you know, it was like, I don't know, like 100, 125 people. It wasn't like a huge wedding, but it was big enough.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
So that's their character right there.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Oh, yeah. And I kind of see you in there a little bit.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Yeah, Martin Cove, everybody. i'm very excited to have you man i uh i've been a fan of the karate kid franchise for well like since i was a kid karate kid 2 might be one of my favorites that opening scene you know where you're punching through the glass it was very cool obviously corporate kai coming out so very excited to have you a very uh very cool for me. Thank you. Yeah.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
And it was like in this like big dining room, but it felt really intimate. It was like a big intimate dinner with a huge family and friends having just amazing food and like, you know, great speeches and things like that. And then we danced. It was a lot of fun.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Younger me was, uh, yeah, it's, it's, uh, you know, it's, I, I get very excited when I have guests like yourself on the show, you know, I kind of started the show and then never thought I'd have people that I've known my whole life and just was fans of and watched as a kid growing up. So it's very cool.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
And then afterwards, then someone came up, absolutely hammered and stumbled up to me, said that they were a journalist and that this was off the record and started asking me a bunch of divisive questions, which really made me feel uncomfortable.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Isn't that great how like, you know, we remember those stories from so long ago and they stick with us and, you know, just hearing how you even got into acting and here you are now so many years later, replaying a character that was so iconic in like the eighties. It just like, just, you know, it kind of, it always sticks with you. It's always, always fun to hear those like throwback stories.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Yeah, did you, were there people like in the, with Cardigan in the movies playing this villainous character that was so kind of rugged? I mean, John Kreese was a really good bad guy in the best possible way. But I imagine fans of the franchise, did they treat you a certain way sometimes where they kind of confused, you know, John versus Martin?
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
There was that. But I did get to talk parenting with Daniel Radcliffe.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
That was a lot of fun. He was also a guest at the wedding. Lovely man who also has a young child at home. So we got to talk about parenting, which was a lot of fun. Cute. So really cool. We do have a great episode lined up for you today and this week.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Thank you.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
We have a very explosive, very dramatic, very incredible going deeper episode this week with the one and only Bella Thorne is with us from not talking much about all her drama in her life. Well, she's here this Wednesday and she really opens up and. With a lot of drama in her life going on, she kind of took a back seat, and now she's here to talk about all the things going on in her life.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Thank you.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Thank you. How do you feel like Cobra Kai connected with its audience? I know back in the day you got punched by a little kid, but did you have any better moments with some of the younger fans of Cobra Kai and you felt like you resonated or it spoke to them in a certain way?
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
So it's a really fantastic episode. She really opens up and speaks to just all the controversy that she's been going through. So she is with us on Wednesday. You will definitely not want to miss that episode. Also, we have at the end of our episode, the wonderful and endearing Martin Cove. You know him from the hit series Cobra Kai. They're in their last season on Netflix.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Also from the Karate Kid movies. A legend, a legendary 80s villain, and now a more complex character on Cobra Kai. But he is with us, has some great stories, and I can't wait for you guys to listen to that as well. Later today, we have Alex went home on The Bachelor. Mrs. First Impression Rose, Miss First 101. I really thought she was going to be top three or four. No, I didn't think so.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Are you sad to see it come to an end? Are you more excited about what this success of Cobra Kai can allow you to do? Like you just kind of talked about some of these other characters that you'd love a chance to play it more of.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
That's great, man. It's so fun to hear all these stories. Before we let you go, we have a fun game. I don't know. Do you like games? Sure. Sure. I don't imagine you watch any reality TV. No, I don't watch reality TV. I assumed as much. You're missing out.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
They have their villains, but we thought we'd play a fun game, a little crossover. Mary came up with this game. You want to tell them the name?
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
So the premise being like these iconic quotes, did they come from a reality TV villain or an iconic 80s movie villain? Yes. And then you just have to guess. It's so simple. All right. All right. And so an 80s reality show villain? No, no, no. It'll be a modern day reality TV villain or an 80s movie.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Yeah, 80s just movie.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Now that you say that, I kind of remember that line from the movie.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Then we also, before her, we have Vanita from Southern Charms with us to talk about all those shenanigans going on in the Bahamas. That was a brutal episode for Chet.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I want this to be reality TV.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Poor guy. Do you think he's just taking one for the team?
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
That's a Clint Eastwood line. Oh, no, no. Wait, wait. Back to the future.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
There you go.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
We've had talked to some actresses who are fans of these housewives, and they've been rich in character study. They'll watch some of these shows and try to pull from when they're developing various characters that they're playing. They'll study some of these women, we've been told. Interesting. They're rich with content.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
He wouldn't know, but you should know.
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E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
what's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of the vile files reality recap edition i am your host nick and it's nice it is nice to see you that's how he greeted me when he came home from his three-day trip in new york that's not true he walked in he was like dogs nice to see you
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Yeah, no, being a parent has been the most fulfilling, you know, aspect of my life where it just, yeah, it just makes everything else so consequential.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Well, Martin, it's been an absolute pleasure having you and thank you for the storytelling and congratulations on an incredible career and obviously the success of Cobra Kai, which if you are listening is, is it out now?
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
I kind of feel for Shep. I do. I think he's a grown man with a little boy mentality. Please. This is the type of text you're supposed to send at like 21.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Yeah, no, it's absolutely huge. It's a great watch and abs, you know, like Martin said, a great family show. Well, it's a family show, but also it's for the kids. It's for the adults. Everyone can enjoy it. It's an absolute fantastic one. Be sure to check it out. Thank you again, Martin. My pleasure. Thank you to our guests, Alex, Vanita, and Martin.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
We will see you tomorrow for Electric Going Deeper with the one and only Bella Thorne. You definitely do not want to miss that. It is dramatic, emotional, and you will not want to miss it. And then on Thursday, we will be back covering all your favorite shows. We'll get into a little bit more Summer House because I know we only talked about it briefly this episode. There's just so much.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
Plus, we'll get into some more Love is Blind and so much more. We'll see you then. Bye. Bye.
The Viall Files
E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House
And then you're either your girlfriends or guy friends, you know, after you kind of open up and like spill your guts and emotions in a way that you should just never have. They're like, don't do that anymore. But like the fact that like Shep is what, 44? And this is the time of his life where he's finally like being crushed by someone emotionally and he sends the text like this is...
The Viall Files
E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Speaking of just like everything we've gone through, I will say I started my period after having two miscarriages. That is the most jarring and like triggering thing to experience. No one warned me. No one was like, hey.
The Viall Files
E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
So I'm here to let you know that if you have had a miscarriage and it's hard because you're like waiting for your period because that like, you know, kind of resets your body and they tell you like, I mean, I've been told now I need to wait three months until we try again. So three periods. Yeah. So I finally got my first one since last year.
The Viall Files
E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
And you're like so excited because you're like, oh, this is good. And then you start bleeding and you're like, oh, my God. And it kind of takes you back to like experiencing that miscarriage because that was the last time that you, TMI, but like bled profusely out of your body. So it's quite jarring and triggering. But how are you handling it?
The Viall Files
E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
I think just trying to compartmentalize, which I'm strangely very good at. But I think, yeah, just trying to be like, this is not that. And this is the beginning. Yeah. So this is like the start of hopefully will be the next good chapter. But yeah, it's that is that is a tough that's a tough one. I'm sorry that you're going through that, but I'm excited for what's to come for you in the future.
The Viall Files
E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
I know, us too. I just wanted to give anyone a heads up if you're in that boat. I posted about on Instagram this morning, but if you're listening and you have experienced your miscarriages or you're waiting for your period heads up warning, prepare yourself. It will be a little bit of a trigger. But I do think people have asked kind of how we're handling it.
The Viall Files
E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
And I will say talking about them is healthy. I think friends and family who aren't afraid to ask about it or talk about it, it kind of keeps them alive. In a sense, you know, it's I think that's grief in all in all types of ways. You know, everyone handles it differently.
The Viall Files
E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
I don't know if this will work for you, but it works for me of like Chambliss will constantly like refer to the babies or like talk about them. And then like in a sense, it keeps them around and it keeps their like spirit alive and their memory alive. And like versus people who are like, oh, I don't don't bring it up. It's like triggering. Don't say anything. It's like, no, please.
The Viall Files
E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Like, let's talk about it. Let's make it like part of our life. lives because they are part of our lives you know so I don't know if maybe that will work for you maybe it won't but I've appreciated that I think I love you I love you should we get into something a little bit light hearted
The Viall Files
E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
The world still hates Katy Perry. Yeah.
The Viall Files
E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Listen, can you imagine being like, we're going to go to space and it's going to be so fucking cool. And then it's like the most laughable moment of like our history. Like no one finds it empowering.
The Viall Files
E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
No one. Like that must be the most just like backhanded. You think you're going into this like empowering and soup and everyone's just like, you're a laughingstock.
The Viall Files
E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Yeah. I think the problem with it is the whole reference to it being empowering. Sometimes it's just a fun trip for the five people involved. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes it's not deeper. When we try to make it deeper than it really is and try to put some sort of
The Viall Files
E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
meaning behind it to justify like jeff wants a sense of people up to space like you know and good for him i don't really i'm not one of those people who's always like oh my god imagine what you know like a bunch of privileged people are doing a bunch of privileges constantly i'm not worried you know it's just like you know shut your fucking mouth if you want people to like save the world every time you do something for yourself that being said like trying to make it a sort of more deeper meaning and trying to call this event some sort of empowering moment for anyone mission
The Viall Files
E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
or space is this kind of silly it's just like hey a bunch of celebrities got to go to space cool well they should have just highlighted the other women they should have highlighted the other women who were there who actually do have like backgrounds in this space yeah what were their names but it's like we should have been highlighting them we should have been like
The Viall Files
E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Katy Perry and Lauren Sanchez, in their interviews, in their promoting this, they should have been like, and we have these incredible women with us who have studied this. They should have been hyping these other women up instead of trying to put them in the shadows. I felt like that probably could have changed their course of action a little bit.
The Viall Files
E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Yeah, and it's only getting brought up after.
The Viall Files
E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
It's like, wait, who are we forgetting? But her story is empowering, so it's like... Why wasn't that person ever mentioned?
The Viall Files
E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Well, it's because, like I said, no, like, they... The women with the influence and the power behind them should have been talking about.
The Viall Files
E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
That would legitimize the actual mission.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
We're just excited to go and I'm excited to wear glam. But we do have Amanda who's with us, who is this brilliant and she's done this and she's done that. And let me talk about Amanda instead of being like, I can't wait for my false lashes. Here's a daisy. I feel connected to love.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
I think Wendy's is only known to the people who are online. Sure. You know, the people who don't know who Coachella is don't know that Wendy's is sassy. They just know Wendy's sells a good like chicken nugget. A square burger.
The Viall Files
E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Nevertheless, but whether you've been paying attention to Wendy's Twitter account or not, they have been a little sassy in the tweets for some time now. But someone from Katy Perry's team does not appreciate her sassiness. They say it wasn't a harmless banter. This was a billion dollar brand using its platform to publicly demean a woman.
The Viall Files
E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Welcome back to another episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick. And boy, is it good to be with you all back in the LA studio.
The Viall Files
E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Because Wendy's tweeted that they wanted to send Katy Perry back, which as a billion dollar corporation representing a billion dollar... It's definitely like... It was probably just an intern tweeting that.
The Viall Files
E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
My favorite part of this was when... They have great Frosties, everybody.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Ironic or painfully? What's the difference?
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
It's not just hypocritical, but painfully ironic. She also said telling a woman that she should be sent back is shameful bullying and reflects a troubling willingness to tear down in today's society.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
We, amongst many of the other words, we have watered down, misused, and bullying is up there for me. I'm sorry. Just because you talk a little shit to somebody... Doesn't make it immediately bullying.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Christ.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
God. Have you ever had a banter? Yeah. Have you ever had fun? Have you ever laughed? Yeah.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Goofed even? Truly. Well, Wendy's has responded.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
They responded and they did not apologize. They said, we always bring a little spice to our socials, but Wendy's has a ton of respect for Katy Perry and her out-of-this-world talent. In parentheses, send her back.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
They still want her to leave.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Were we missed?
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Well, if you guys are missing the entire cast of Love Island USA from last summer, fear not. They will be back on Peacock this summer. Serena, Janae, Erin, Miguel, Leah, Taylor, Connor, Kenny, Olivia, and Kendall. Kenny. Do you think Connor's on to replace Rob? Rob is the obviously most notable absentee from this list.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
yeah yeah it is nice talking to you face to face yeah nice touching yeah yeah so nice talking zoom isn't zoom dates aren't the same it's just not the same you know it is it is it's not the same because there's a little bit of a lag you know with zoom so it's like and i oh no go up your turn okay now you guys don't notice that on the rn because we clean it up oh we kind of notice it because all of a sudden it's like start talking and you go sure
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Cordell is also not on the list but Serena is and it seems like there were some apparently Cordell's booked and busy which is why he's not part of this cast. Rob is just like out. He's just like I don't I'm good.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Honestly like Good for Rob.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Or just like he sucked his guns. A lot of people talk about... It sounded like he said he sucked his guns.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
He's stuck to his guns.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Sorry about that.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
It's okay. Yeah. Well, I'm excited to watch this.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
I'm so excited about this. Can you imagine the pressure that this upcoming season Love Island USA is under?
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
But I feel like also seeing that they got a spinoff because they haven't started filming, right? It's pretty like live kind of. She said it was a docu-follow, which I don't really like. No, no, I'm talking about this upcoming season of Love Island USA. Oh, no, yeah, they haven't started yet. Yeah, they haven't started filming. So I feel like the contestants who are going now see-
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
But the previous contestants got a spinoff. So they're like, let's fucking bring it.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
And sometimes, you know, there's a fine line in reality TV between like performing and just being yourself and just like living in the moment. I think this cast that did so well really just lived in the moment. They really just...
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Well, I'm excited to watch it.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Well, Leah actually requested to not have certain producers.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Is this alleged or is this?
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Leah requested that certain producers from Love Island USA not be on the spinoff. She said, I gave them specific names of who I wouldn't work with again. Basically saying that I guess some producers kept her and Miguel away from each other to keep the Leah and Rob of it all going. And she was like, I'm not down with that. I don't want them around. And they were like, you ask and you shall receive.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
There have not been, there hasn't been a single breakup.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
No.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Yet from this cast, which is shocking.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Well, I mean like.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Do you think it's real or do you think it's staged?
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
I'm predicting a bounce back for Aaron.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Honestly, I miss hearing, fuck, Aaron! I do miss it.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
All right, I think it's time to get into a little summer house, but before we do, let's bring up Ray Sonny to help us break it all down.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Well, it is good to be with you all. Coachella is finally in the books, week and two. For those of you who are not familiar. With Coachella? Yeah, I think there's a lot of people not familiar with Coachella.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Hey, renters out there. Are you taking advantage of Built Rewards?
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
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Built's neighborhood benefits are things like extra points on dining out, complimentary roast workout shakes, free mats and towels at your favorite fitness studios, and unique experiences that only Built members can access.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Helix! Well, what more can we say about the greatest mattress ever invented other than the fact that we love sleeping on it. We have been spending a little time outside of LA. You guys know that. But what you didn't know is that we made sure that we were sleeping on a Helix mattress wherever we were.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
And thank God, because if it looks like I'm rusted, that's because I am, because I've been sleeping on a Helix Moonlight mattress for some time now.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Hey, Ray. Hello. How are you? Hi, how are you? We're so good. Thanks for joining us.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
I was scrolling on Twitter X. I don't know what people are calling it these days. And I came across your tweets talking all things Bravo. And then I stalked you on Instagram. And I'm like, we need to get her on the show.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
I just like that you were just like, you know, you really believed in your commentary. You know, I kind of forgot what you know, but you had some great takes. And then obviously, you know, I looked at your background. You're a stand up comedian. You're an Emmy nominated TV writer. I was like, we need to get her on.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
For those of you who are under a rock. I feel like before I ever went to Coachella, I knew what it was because I was on social media.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Do you mind if we start with Summer House or do you want to maybe put a bow on your thoughts on the Beverly Hills housewife season?
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Okay, let's start with Beverly Hills. The big thing I think right now, people are trying to figure out the Garcelle exit of it all. This past week, we noticed that Garcelle unfollowed Sutton, which a lot of people were surprised by. What are your thoughts on the exit overall? Part of me is kind of thinking, you know what, if she wants to go, I'm happy for herself.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
She seems like she's prioritizing her mental health. You know, I don't know. I'm fine with her leaving. But do you have any other commentary on this?
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Because you were in your formative years as a teen.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
On the car ride home from the reunion, she unfollowed Sutton, you know, but it took her this long.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
I don't know how to dig that either.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
I didn't learn about Coachella until I was like in my early 30s.
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That's because it just started. Yeah.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
When did it first start?
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Yeah, I felt like the walkout was kind of performative and staged on Garcelle's end. Because to your point, like, yeah, she did like grab the drink. She cheers with everyone. She like waited for Andy to be like, let's take the photo. And then she gathers up her dress and says, no, I'm out and walks off. It's like if you were done, you just walk off as soon as they're like, all right, we're wrapped.
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Like you don't.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
She was like, no, they girl greeted me when everyone walked in. But since we've been here, no one has made eye contact with me and smiled.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
you make a good point when you said like i'm not sure if she ever like made a good housewife in the way that she fought her battles and like now that you're saying that i'm thinking because like garcelle has such an illustrious background you know like she really compared to a lot of her peers like she i mean maybe even more so like yeah definitely more so than denise richards like i know denise richards was a bond girl but like garcelle had a long ass like
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
really impressive career and it's kind of almost like yeah it's like in a way she feels like she's kind of above the drama in a way that almost like Kyle tries to be but Kyle successfully kind of gets other people to have her back and it just seems like Garcelle really wanted Sutton and maybe some of the other women to like be her friend yeah be her friend and kind of like have her back and like she did they were just never going to in ways that uh she expected them to
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Well, a mom of a five-year-old shuts down. Did she shut down critics?
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Yeah, no, I mean, it happens often, I think, with the Housewives, where sometimes they forget that there's a huge difference between any of them saying something on this show that is platformed to millions of people versus any of them reading, you know, whatever, Reddit or blogs or various rumors that are just, like, being thrown around between fans. Like, and fans are just like... Right.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Well, slam. Well, slam. Well, shut down is basically saying she won.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Having fun being fans, not really knowing who these women are, not having access to their lives off camera. And so when one of these women who do have this incredible access, have these friendships, know these people's spouses, repeat a rumor or platform these theories, it is just night and day. And the fact that Garcelle doesn't see that is why. I mean, Garcelle is not the only one.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Yeah, I was about to say, I feel like you rarely shut down a critic.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Yeah, they can slam you back. We've been accused of slamming people online constantly, but we've never been shutting people down.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
And I honestly, I think that is the expectation because I know that Garcelle's not the only person in this circle of friends who have talked about that rumor. And so she's heard, I don't even know who she's heard, but she's heard other women talk about it. And so, yeah, she kind of expected, I guess, at the reunion to say, well, I know you think this too. I know you've talked about it.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
But there's a huge disconnect between her not understanding why the other women wouldn't want to bring this up. Exactly. You're accusing someone of a crime and it's different when you're just having drinks with a friend. Yeah.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Take that note.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
How do you guys shut... Anyways, what does she say?
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Props to Bose, though. I mean, I actually forgot about that line. But that's such a great response to an accusation to say, unless I know for sure it's about me, I'm just going to assume it's not. Bose never takes the bait in a way that most housewives do. She's been one of my favorite housewives, period, and just...
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
A mom of a five-year-old has been bringing her daughter to Coachella. She said this was her third year she's gone to Coachella. Her third year or her... She says it's her daughter's third year going. Her third Coachella. And and people are calling her like a bad mom for taking her daughter to a festival, which I feel like is a weird thing to shame her about.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
given like the track record or lack thereof of new housewives, she's really had an all-star performance season one. It's really been incredible, especially in Bev Hills where I think it's even harder to be like a newbie. Right. It's really been incredible.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Do you want to get into a little Atlanta? Are you up to speed? Yeah, of course. Okay. Of course. So, I mean, you mentioned that Kenya is one of your favorite housewives. Where do you see this whole situation with the revenge porn or not? I mean, I know we're not I don't know if we're calling it revenge porn because technically it's not. But like, what are your thoughts?
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
She you know, she seems to be really, I don't know, in my opinion, still doubling and tripling down like and having kind of these semantical arguments. But I mean, a lot of people in the Bravo fan base have Kenya's back. So where do you where do you see this whole situation?
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
It's like, who knows if she's probably not staying all night. Like it's a date. It starts at what? Like 10 a.m.? It starts really early.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Well, as new parents who still want to have an active life, still get out, still prioritize each other, have a couple date nights, we know how difficult it can be to find good childcare, find good babysitters, and make sure that we can still have fun with the peace of mind knowing that our little one is home safe and sound.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Well said. What do you make of Drew's divorce and the court documents that she so desperately wants sealed? That was crazy. At first it makes sense. You don't want your kids to eventually have to read this stuff. I'm like, okay, that tracks. But then she has no problem saying, well, no, because it's all this shit he did. And she kind of starts naming things. She starts listing it off.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
I'm like, what's the difference? What are you trying to hide? And meanwhile, he's all like, unseal that shit. It's just like, whoa. Yeah. So where do you track with all that?
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Yeah. And also, like, what man living in a basement, like, immediately you're a loser.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Him walking out of Corbyn like, I don't have to leave. That was crazy.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
The lack of respect that man has for himself is just really impressive.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Why is this judge like, no, stay downstairs? Like, who is this judge? Are they even a real judge? Or is it like...
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Yeah, it's like there's bathrooms, there's a lot of food options, there's a lot of room to lay down if you want to lay a blanket out, take a little snooze in the sun.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
We have a lot to obviously still talk about Atlanta, but I wanted to get into Summer House with you before we let you go. A lot happened this past episode. I have empathy for Jesse. Only because he had cancer. It's the cancer pass. I don't like, you know, but he's not right.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
But this episode, I think, took it too far, the Jesse and Lexi. I do think he is, was love bombing her. I do think him being mad at her for whatever she was doing with Wes at the club. That was wild. That was crazy. And then being like, It wasn't the same. It's different than what I did. And like, but I love you so much. Let's make up. Let's have sex. Let's like spend the night together.
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Everything's fine.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
37 minutes watching an orgy is the same as Lexi.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Well, in his words, like putting her hands on his shoulder or something.
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There are certainly worse environments to bring a child.
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Why is he mad at Lexi then?
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
What do you make of Jesse and Sierra's friendship?
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
No. I love that about her. Did y'all see the creator of the Apple Dance is suing Charlie? She's suing Roblox.
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Do you feel like her ego was a little shot when it felt like he chose Lexi over her? When he was like, you can't touch, don't touch anymore. And she was like, oh, really?
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Honestly, I felt like her response to Jesse was kind of giving girlfriend energy to Jesse. It's just like...
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Yeah.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Who's Roblox?
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
I finally got someone on my team about Sierra, finally. Listen, I think just back to like last season, I think whatever West has plenty to apologize for. But aside from what West did and what he has to apologize for, I think more than anyone, I think Sierra played herself when it comes to her and West. I just for everything that you just said.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
It's that little Minecraft-y game all the little kids are playing on the phones.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
You know, it's just like it's not that like West wasn't wrong. It's just that she cared too much about getting West's approval, who's probably beneath her in terms of like the level that she can get. But because he didn't give her what she wanted, she got so obsessed with getting West's approval that and then and didn't get it.
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And then, you know, even though he's like, I don't want to date, I don't want to date. You know, she she tried to close the deal by hooking up with them. And then when it didn't close the deal, she didn't. It fucked with her ego. And if I'm Sierra, I'm more mad at me, at myself. That's all.
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I think that's fair. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah, honestly, yeah. I feel like Emeril is the most pointless character on this show. I like him. And I don't understand why he is here. I mean, he has given us nothing but having sex. Literally, herpes. He's given us nothing. He's given us, like, no, he hasn't tried. And maybe he has, and they've cut it out, and they're just making this his storyline, and he's just as confused as we all are.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
But, like, I don't understand why he's here.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
and I love I was just like I'm uh you know I had a hard life uh and now I need to fuck everything I need to everybody everybody um that's kind of a story um you know I I wonder about Emeril
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How crazy, though, that she just, like, was on TikTok, made up a dance to this song, and now it's the most, like, known dance. Yeah.
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I feel like him and Kyle obviously are friends before. I feel like Emeril did something for Kyle and Kyle was like, bro, I owe you one. And he was like, get me on summer house. And that is why he is on this show is because he did a favor for Kyle and Kyle was like, yeah, I mean, listen, I started this show. So yeah, sure. I can get you on. And it has got him laid every single weekend.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
No, it was like, yeah, the first episode that Kyle was like, why don't you tell him about your life? And then that was really it.
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And Matt Rogers.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
He's like, all right, I'm out. I have to go. DJ. DJ.
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It definitely could definitely be lazy producing, lazy editing, where it's just like they don't know what to do with this guy. Then they have like the page and Craig break of it all. And when they have to like focus on that storyline and things like that. So maybe they just didn't have time.
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He looks athletic, you know? It's a relatively easy sport to pick up, I suppose.
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He deserves another shot. I mean, he's at least willing to be messy.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Have sex. Yeah.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
He can see your clothes. That's for sure.
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How often do you wash your sheets?
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. Ray, this has been so much fun. Thank you. Come back.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Can you let my audience know where they can find you, follow you, plug anything you want to plug?
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all right ray well when whenever you're in la uh let us know otherwise uh we'll just have you zoom in and again oh for sure for sure thank you so much for having me oh my pleasure thank you for taking the time bye bye all right guys bye great takes great love uh i thought it was before we get to humble brag i thought it was just really interesting to hear page uh just talk about her relationship with greg in a sense that like
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Me?
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
how she has like kind of everything's happening for her right now and she's never felt more anxious.
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I mean, the implication is that she obviously this has to do with her feelings towards Craig or lack thereof. But like it is just really interesting that feeling. I mean, like right now I feel like, you know, just in my life or our life, like, you know, there's professionally like I've never felt like more both like excited and at the same time more anxious, you know.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Before I had a lady in my life?
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
But and I also think it's just a normal feeling.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
It's higher stakes. You feel like you have more to lose. It's like, you know, especially if you're someone who's, like, never been to the place that you've gotten to, you know? And then you're like, holy shit. You're just like, don't fuck it up, you know? I'm just like... And it seems like Paige and Craig, we've talked about it at Nauseam. We've talked about how it's a lack of compatibility.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
But, like, I just... I just hope that this time in Paige's life with all the things that are going on in her life and all the good things that she didn't overthink her relationship with Craig. You know, I don't know. And maybe like her anxiety is coming from who, you know, who knows, right? Like, you know, maybe it is coming from her relationship with Craig.
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Twice a year.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Maybe she is in fact, listening to her body finally. And it's telling her, Hey, Craig is great, but he's not my guy, you know, but it's just from personal experience. I know that like having a lot of great things happen for you in a lot of aspects of your life, like, You think you're supposed to feel one way and only to feel another. And it's it's a it's a very weird, fucked up feeling to have.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
And I just watching Paige talk about that feeling I related to. And I just I very much hope that like it's not one of those things where she looks back a couple of years from now and says, as imperfect as we were, I had a good thing with the guy. So I don't know.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Were you ever itchy? Natalie, did you know this? No, I did not. Before you slept? I did not. Were you ever itchy?
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Having anxiety and going to be alone and then hearing someone fucking. Yeah. Yeah. That would actually send me over the edge. Yeah. I would have been banging on the wall like shut up. And you could tell she was so like you could see the anxiety just on her face like coming through her. Yeah. She's like I have to be alone. I'm clearing off this bed. I'm getting in this bed.
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I need silence like I need. And then like the thumping and the fake moaning. It would. Yeah. Yeah.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Fake moaning is brutal.
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We just started.
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Maybe three times a year.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
All right. Up next, the ladies from Humblebrag join us.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
If you're into health care, you've probably heard of figs. And if you haven't tried them yet, let me just say they are a total game changer. These scrubs are made specifically for awesome humans designed to handle long shifts, constant movement and everything the job throws at you. Also, you can perform at your best.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Itchy? I'm always itchy. Ew. Wow.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
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Well, I'm currently looking at my baby napping right now, thanks to the Nanit. It's really quite nice and I have that peace of mind. Nanit Baby Monitor has been an absolute game changer for me and Natalie, especially for me. Maybe I'm just saying that as the dad.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Yeast infection. You have a yeast infection?
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We are both pretty present parents, but every once in a while I have a thing to do or a place to go and I have to spend some time away from my family. And when I am, thank God that I have the Nanit Baby Monitor.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
The baby monitor allows you to see your baby from anywhere at any time. When you're at work, traveling, or having a date night, you can stay connected all from the Nana app. The high def camera means you can actually see your baby. No grainy images where you can't see what's happening. I love to zoom in and just like make sure she's breathing. The camera quality is immaculate.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
You really can see your baby breathing and it does feel good to just check on them. Sometimes you realize you're a little neurotic, but hey, you know, it's just nice to know. Also, I've listened to River Sleep while I've been on my runs. It's just kind of nice. You know, I just have that sound going on because you can still listen to music and your baby breathing at the same time with a nana.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Can men get yeast infections?
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
You know, it's not an either or. You have the option.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Do I look like a doctor?
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
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Oh, okay.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
So anyways, Crystal and Cynthia, welcome back.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
We have no structure on Humbug. We were talking about, these are Labubus? Labubu. Labubu, yeah.
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Leia, you look like you really want people to know this.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
I will say, I've been playing with one for the past three minutes and I am a little into it.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
So you're a fan of like the purse charms, the bag charms. It's very Asian.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
This is like the new Troll.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
And so collect trolls. Yeah.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
And if you're not sure where to look, look to Sitter City. Sitter City is not some endless scroll of random profiles. It's more like a curated experience, real reviews from parents, background checks, ID verification, and filters that actually work. Whether you need someone for a regular after-school gig or just a night out, you can find someone you trust.
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Can we get one for River?
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
I'll buy one.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
You're going to get obsessed. No, they're super rich. Let her buy one.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Why did you bring that up? Wash your sheets. Because half, according to new polls, 49.9%, not 50%, 49.9% of people wait at least one month before washing their bedsheets.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
I know none of this. Okay. I love toys. I have a 25.
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Can you buy them in America?
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Even Rob?
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No, like if I think about it too much, like my pillowcase... I have to wash at least my pillowcase if I can't get to the full bed once a week. I have to throw the pillowcases in.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
So we hand carried like we I usually divorce Rob if he's like, I forgot to buy some. I got super busy and I just like forgot with an empty suitcase.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
We haven't named him yet. I have a question. I just like that you can, do you take the hat off? Yeah.
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Crystal's like, what do you think I am? Yeah.
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No.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
That sounded weird. I thought you bought them to sell them to kids.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
It's like selling a lottery ticket you haven't scratched off yet. Exactly. Wow. I understand your plight.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Just open them up and staple them back.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Do you ever think you'd leave housewives to kids?
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Now you've discovered what you feel like if if you were still on and you were like talking to the women about this, do you think they would also get involved?
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
It's a mythical creature.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Okay.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
We have a jam-packed episode lined up for you today. The ladies of Humble Brag, Crystal Minkoff and Cynthia Bailey will be joining us later. And before that, Ray Sonny, stand-up comedian, Emmy-nominated TV writer, and Bravo superfan is joining us as well to talk all things Summer House. Little Bev Hills put a bow on that.
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Kind of sort of. You just didn't push that button fast enough. Well, I did not.
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I forget his name. Was he a paparazzi? Who?
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Yeah, he was called a writer.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
It looked like Hulu casted a paparazzi.
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For Star Magazine.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Yeah, you're right.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Would you do Traders?
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
I wanted to make it work this season, but it couldn't happen.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
I don't have that much power, you know.
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Would you do it later? I've been wanting to do it. I've been asked in the past. It's just I haven't been able to make it work with the sketch, you know.
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I think, I think it'd be fun to try either.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Uh, I think I'm better at finding liars and being a liar.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
automatically i think i would go in with a target on my back yeah for sure don't you think but i also think the only thing i have going for me is like i'm kind of an obvious i'm too obvious like the same reason wells got out episode one is because everyone was like oh there's no way he's a traitor so let's call him a traitor yeah he's like the affable guy that everyone doesn't suspect where a lot of people that would be the opposite right i think a lot of people would suspect me i could still get me in trouble yeah did you hear what she said oh i just said you had traitor energy fucking
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Fuck you.
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Kenya kind of said fuck you to you.
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I'm not sure if Ray is watching Atlanta Housewives, but I'm sure she seems to watch it all. So we're excited to have her on, but before we do, I watched a movie not too long ago.
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Usually you have the option. But it's not my show.
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Well, it really is. I mean, you know, Netflix had a million dollar secret and then I just watched that. Yeah, that was just I want to do that. How did you how did you like being mixed up with other reality TV stars and then, you know, half normies?
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What did you like about that?
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A Simple Favor, which I had never seen.
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What? I thought you did that on purpose. I thought you did that because Crystal's not wearing them.
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Oh, Lord. She put the speaker out. I had a late flight. It was in case you wanted to hear it.
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i watched it with my wife yeah we were there okay he's like i watched a movie i'm like but you had seen it had you seen it you had seen it though i felt like i was really unprepared for this yeah obviously the simple favor 2 is it out yet no like may 1st it's coming out starring anna kendricks and blake lively who wrote it paul paul paul feig writer of uh bridesmaids well he didn't write bridesmaids he didn't write he directed he directed did he write either of them
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So Kenya said, fuck you. Yeah, this is my Kenya side. She didn't. She said, let's not talk about Cynthia. Yeah. Thank you.
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Oh, okay.
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I didn't take that as necessarily talking shit. Really?
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Well, she didn't take that as an opportunity. I was very grateful for it.
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What were they saying? Quadrupling down.
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Did you watch this most recent episode of Atlanta? I did. Yes. Did you also find it absolutely laughable that Drew was trying to compare her like people have talked about me. I understand what you're going through to Brit after all of her being like, no, I get it. I get what you're going through. Like people have talked about me online, too. Those definitely aren't the same, though.
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Is Kenya just going to be like, shouldn't have done it?
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It's just like Kenya just keeps talking and going. What do you make of Drew's divorce? Do you feel like she has something to hide or Ralph has something to hide when it comes to... It makes sense why she wanted to seal those documents so bad and then blame it on Ralph's behavior. But then she was also like, no, no, no, it's all because of Ralph. And he's done this and he's done that.
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And it's like, well, what are you trying to keep a secret? And then he was the one who wanted those documents unsealed. Did you think anything...
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Did you feel like it was fucked up on Angela's part to invite Drew to the to Portia's birthday trip in Nashville?
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But also to have everyone in Nashville talking about Drew coming and then pan to Drew back in Atlanta FaceTiming Dennis. I was like, oh, that's okay. That's one way to go. You know? Yeah. There was that. She's not done in the Dennis space.
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Do you have questions about?
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When Portia, I don't know who said it, they're like, that's not what it's about. She's like, it's about me. It's my birthday. Yeah.
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Yeah, it was like, Angela had good intent of being like, a peace trip, and then Portia's like, this isn't a peace trip. We had a peace brunch. That didn't work very well. This is my birthday.
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No, that was crazy. Crystal, now that the whole season of
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That's why you're perfect for these types of appearances because you're right. Your name is everywhere. Do you see a peach in his hand? No, you see a little labubu in his hand. This is not a peach. I'm not like Cynthia. What the fuck did you do? Do not ask me peach questions.
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Okay. Was the brother fucker in the original novel? Because that was jarring for me.
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No, we are forcing. I actually don't.
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We're bullies. Yes.
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Put Crystal's ass in my seat. Do you think there's going to be a blow-up response to Portia's friend alleging Drew sucked Dennis' dick? Oh, I forgot that. That was said on there? Yeah.
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She said it and then it was like next episode. Say that one more time. Say the sentence one more time. Horsha's friend at the table in Nashville.
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Accuses Drew sucked Dennis' dick. And then in Portia's confessional, she's like, yeah, he would be like, they just gave me head. No, they just gave me head. And they just gave me head. Like she admitted that.
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Have you not seen it? Have you seen it?
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Kyle won't even talk about being next to Morgan.
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We will always want you to talk some tea.
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What about Britt alleging that Angela's husband had a baby on her? This is crazy stuff.
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It's a really good movie. And it's got a little bit of a mystery thriller, like a whodunit, what's going on. And the sandwich right in the middle of this movie. Anna Kendrick's character, you find out, fucks her half brother and maybe her kid might be her half brother. Doesn't sound like such a simple favor. And and they just kind of accept it as like not that weird in the movie.
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In a case.
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Does she still follow you?
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She still follows you?
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Okay.
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Could you put some context around her exit?
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But your exit was pretty...
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Do you think it's centered around Sutton?
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Or is it a combination of, like, did she quit the show because of this view of Sutton, I guess? Or is she ready to be done?
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Because that was like her last friend. And if her last friend doesn't have her back, then I stay on the show.
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And... She was, like, having Sutton's back out of principle, like, out of being her friend. Out of being her friend. Not because Sutton was right.
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You won't just find a sitter, you'll find the sitter.
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Do you feel like Garcelle was invalid? And because this is her, she's gone to several reunions. She knows how it works to expect the women to smile at her and connect with her throughout the reunion, knowing that everyone is on edge and nervous.
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And it's like, I think it's supposed to be weird.
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Yeah, I kind of wonder if that was a soundbite without context.
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Anna Kendra's character?
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she felt she felt surprised like she wasn't expecting that so that's my opinion another thing that the audience members are struggling with is Garcelle kind of standing her ground when it came to her opinion about the read and the whole robbery of it all and like honestly like as a fan of the show I've had the opinion that that whole situation is murky is murky shady questionable and as fans I just feel like it's one thing for us to speculate and
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Yeah, at first she's one of the most likable people, and then as the movie goes on and on and on, you're like, oh my god, this person's atrocious.
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talk about things we watch on a show.
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And we know that like in that group, it seems like a lot of people have speculated, but even like there's a, there's just a difference between housewives getting together as friends or fans talking online about rumors versus actual housewives who are part of these groups going on these shows and then saying, I think this and I, you know, and I, this is how I feel.
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You know, and I think a lot of the audience members are struggling with like whether they agree with Garcelle's opinion or not. Just recognizing that, like, you're still kind of accusing her of like a fraud, a fraud on television. I understand access to these people. And it's just it's different than like gossiping in a group or fans platforming these rumors. And what are your thoughts on that?
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It was disturbing. What made the movie so popular? Was it the brother fucker?
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And she was almost seemed to be waiting for whether it was Sutton or anyone else.
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And because she probably knew her son's opinion. Correct.
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Interested and available care providers will apply to the job posting describing their experience and how they'll be able to help the family. Families typically receive applications within two hours. Narrow down your options with detailed profiles, professional references, and parent reviews.
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I honestly did not remember that at all. So it can't be. I thought it was just martinis. I thought it was Blake Lively's ties.
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What has been Sutton's response to those?
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Sutton's never like acknowledged what feels like a double standard to other people.
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Yeah, the ties really did have a moment. And it was Phil from Schitt's Creek.
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I mean, I get what Garcelle's saying. When PK and Dorit talk about their finances, it always sounds shady. When Dorit's saying things like, no, no, no, we are paying our mortgage, but PK just decided that if they don't call me back, that's not how banks work. He also wears track suits, which I find to be
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You're shady with money. If you're an adult white man wearing full tracksuits, I don't know, and you don't pay your bills on time, I don't trust you. Wow. I don't know.
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Yeah.
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Rob doesn't strike me as a guy who's wearing a matching tracksuit.
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Played the brother fuck. The brother. The brother fuck. The sister fucker.
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Do you miss it at all?
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Oh, I'm not familiar. Should we be watching? What's it on?
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Taylor Armstrong. Oh, yes. Yes. So there's a new documentary.
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They romanticized it in a weird way.
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I have to say that's one of like, I think a very underrated feeling of like going through something, leaving it and being really sad about leaving it and being like, I feel left out. I feel this. I feel that. And then.
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time passes and you look back on the scenario and you're like I am so glad that I'm out of that I'm so glad I'm like not associated with those people anymore I'm so glad my life went this way and their life went that way like that is a very yeah so for you to be able to sit where you are today and look back and be like no I'm good like I'm so happy with my labubus and like not on the show I honestly I was just like man I just was sitting in the kitchen watching alone and just the first like 15 minutes yeah in the kitchen and I was just like I literally thought about Cynthia I was like god I'm like
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It's giving Game of Thrones. I was in the middle of being like, oh, this is a pretty good movie. I was like, oh my God.
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So like, I don't miss that part, but I, yes, you know, like, I mean, is it true that like people in some ways have moved on from the Kenya Moore, you know, drama? Sure. But I guarantee you, I've never met Kenya. But I guarantee you from her point of view and her comments and when she wakes up and opens up her phone, it doesn't feel like anyone's moved on. You know what I'm saying? Totally.
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It's your world. It's your life. It's so much easier to remove yourself from a situation. Now see it a little clearer. But when you're in it, yeah, that's the hard part about this world is that... Both things are true. People have moved on.
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And yet, like, you're still getting hit with grenades left or right that like the world doesn't really care when you compare it to all the media and all the things that are going on. And then you have these serious world events. And that's a whole nother thing that people are like, why are you even giving a shit about something like reality TV? But like in your world, like it's everything.
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I was so taken aback.
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Everything. And rightfully so. Sometimes it feels it's like either you're alive, you know, Kenya, like whether you write or regardless of what you think of the situation, she is in some ways like fighting for her life, her career, you know, like and, you know, it, you know.
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But she embraces it.
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And she's good at it.
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It's really good. It's great. Love it.
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I was just alarmed that such a popular movie's main through line was the fact that cheap
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It's like it's like missing your toxic ex, you know, you know, you know, you're better off, you know, it's like. But you still kind of like, hey, I wonder what they're up to.
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Where do you and Nini stand today?
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Why couldn't he just be the stepbrother? It's still weird. It's still wrong.
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We will have her first.
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When's Phaedra coming on in Atlanta?
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Ladies, always great to chat with you. Obviously, we have Humble Brag. What can we look forward to in your next episode?
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We've had Joey on. Oh, you have? I love it.
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The boys are gross. Well, ladies, always great to catch up with you. I look forward to you coming on next time. We will. Wait, wait, wait. I know. I know. I love it.
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Yeah. Anyways, we're about to celebrate our one-year anniversary.
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It's definitely. We watched it. We binged it all yesterday.
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When you get it, what are you going to do?
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I was going to say, you didn't want to wait a little bit longer until it kept going up?
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Well, be sure to check out Cynthia on Got to Get Out and check out both of these ladies on Humble Brag, available wherever you get your podcast. Thursday, we got a great episode for you. Alex Baskin, your good friend, showrunner. Is he the showrunner of Beverly Hills?
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All right. So anyways, the guy who's pretty much in charge of all things Vanderpump, The Valley and Beverly Hills Housewives is with us to talk about basically his world and everything going on in it with these shows. Specifically, we'll really get into The Valley with Alex, talk a little Bev Hills and then, you know, just get his thoughts on all things Bravo in general.
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Yeah, it's this Sunday.
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That is on Thursday and so much more. We will see you then. Bye bye.
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How do you feel like we did? What are you going to do? What are we going to do? We're going to go to Stagecoach for one night. One night. We want to see Lana Del Rey and Zach Bryan. I hate who he is as a person, but do love his music. Unfortunately. He does my good music. I will be closing my eyes. Yeah. Do like a dog.
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So we're going to go to Stagecoach for one night and then we're going to have a little staycation at a little like spa retreat that I booked us for the weekend.
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To recover not only from Stagecoach night one.
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Get that dust cleared out.
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We went to Stagecoach for the first time together as a couple two years ago. Missed it last year because of our wedding.
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Yeah, that whole thing.
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Yeah, that whole thing.
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So now our wedding anniversary will be on Stagecoach every year. Look at that. I didn't think about that. But you always have something to do.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
The NFL draft is also this weekend and it is hosted. It's in Green Bay. Wow. And I'm so in love with my wife that I didn't even ask if we could spend our anniversary in Green Bay at the NFL draft.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
I do feel like the Monday after our wedding, you were like, hey, so this is happening. I did, yeah. And I was like, oh. That's what you want to do for our one year anniversary? Yep. So, but yeah, we're going to, he got me like a really extravagant gift. Didn't you?
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
We got.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
We were doing a joint gift.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Okay. We'll share next week. Okay.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
How do you feel like we did?
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
For a year?
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Yeah, us.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Listen, I think we've been through a lot. And I think.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Listen.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
I mean, like the one year definitely, you know, it came with some challenges. I think we held on to each other and worked through them as best as we could. Obviously still working through some of them. But shit, I mean, it's been the best year of my life, all things considered. I love you. Oh my God, why are you looking at me like that? You don't agree? No. Well, what do you think of our year?
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
I'm really proud of us, yeah. You know, we've definitely been a lot lately. Through a lot lately. But it's gone by fast in the best possible way.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Yeah.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Yeah.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
I'm just thinking, yeah, it went by fast.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
We haven't even posted our full-length wedding video, but we decided to do it on our one-year anniversary.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
On our one-year anniversary.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Six minutes.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
that's a six you want a we want an hour 48 hour version we want dialogue it was a full length video what's our full i was expecting like i was thinking like bts with the caterers like them getting ready drama well we do have all of the footage yeah you have all the raw footage if you want to make if you want to make a movie yeah please feel free but we have uh with all your free time you have we have the videographers before your two-year anniversary
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
We have the videographer's six-minute version of our wedding weekend, which was quite lovely. It's a good video.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
We watched it when we first got it. Several times. We haven't watched it recently, but we should. We should circle back.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
You sound like it's a bad thing.
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E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out
Did you cry? I think I like got a little emotional.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
This is a public establishment that welcomes people when they're open. Lots of people. But they don't want her?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
But why?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
She's on a gurney?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yelling at people?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Where's this video?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Diva down. I have this vision in my head, I hope. This is the first one. Is that Sonia?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
She's, I mean... There's producing and then there's... Craziness. There's producing. Yeah. There's fully committed to the bit.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
That guy in the background looks so over this. ...
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
No, she was just like... I heard giggling in the background.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah, just chilling. And this is after she called the 911 to help someone else.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
What does Brett do for work?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
That's not work.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
And that's awesome, but I am just curious what he's been up to. Should have asked, I guess.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
It sounds like a real job. Yeah.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Well, managing partner means he has some kind of equity in this company. I mean, it could be.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah, I mean, they don't look like they live poor.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
That's a bold thing to ask your alleged co-stars for money, the same people that allegedly... And Jesse does get into... I know it's on episodes somewhere four, five, and six. I don't know. We get into it this episode.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
But the whole conversation about what went down before seasons one and season two in terms of their contract negotiations, Jesse breaks it down in great detail shortly when Michaela and Jesse make their appearance in this episode. But wouldn't it be kind of it's like that that's the same people he went to and asked for money.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
But there unfortunately are layers to the committing to this bit. There are.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Oh, I thought you were going to say mogul.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
she's i do have it we have her response well because when we interviewed jesse mckayla we were there were so much honestly we went in with so many questions uh we didn't even get to most of them because they were just serving up and then and this and oh by the way yeah oh my god that wasn't even on the docket okay um okay
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Should we play it now?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Okay, you guys, I was just as surprised to see that Layla and I had dry hair in the intro because we all got wet. I was actually the very first one to film our intro. And I was like the guinea pig. So I was like getting my hair in there, flipping it around. I actually have so many videos of having wet hair. And if you look at the poster, we all had wet hair. So I don't know.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
It's kind of funny because everyone's like, they're just divas and they didn't want to get their hair wet. Trust me, if that was the case, they would have just been like, sorry, you're getting your hair wet. We don't have that kind of thing. So yeah, I did get my hair wet, but maybe I just looked so stunning gorgeous. Literally. leave it that way. But no, we definitely had to do some work.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Layla, it was actually really funny because her hair's naturally curly and they were nervous that if she got her hair wet, her extensions would be just kind of wavy and wet and her own hair would curl up. And so we had to get like lube and lube her hair down. That's like a little hairstylist trick and put lube in it to make it look wet instead of getting it actually wet.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I don't even know if we're allowed to laugh. What is the internet saying over the weekend? Are they starting to take sides?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
And then they got her extensions wet. So
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Jesse, thank you for coming through this morning and picking up for what we failed to do when you first showed up and asked that question. I'm glad we were able to get it.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
They're like, almost like there's just no real good explanation for why they wouldn't do that.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Well, I told you we have a jammed pack episode for you today because coming up next, Chloe Veach is with us. She's hosting a new Netflix show, Sneaky Links, a show about maybe falling in love with the person you don't want anyone to know you're having sex with. So I'm not sure how that all is going to work out.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Look, I see the vision. You know what I'm saying? But like,
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
They don't want people to know they're having sex with them.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
It's me.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I don't know.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
We'll have to ask Chloe who is up next. And then after Chloe, we'll break down a summer house breakup heard around the world between Lexi and Jesse. Get into Mormon Wives and then the interview. Certainly many of you have been tuning in for it with Jesse and Michaela. But coming up next, Chloe Veach. This show is sponsored by BetterHelp.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I see a lot of love for our girl, Mikayla.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
There obviously is a lot of speculation about his involvement in this franchise. I think what we all agree on, and he seems to be kind of a loser, a little bit of gross.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Chloe, welcome back to the show. Thanks, Nick. So great to have you. Thanks for having me. We're very excited about the new show on Netflix you're hosting. Yeah, can you imagine? Sneaky links. We can. Sneaky links. Help us, for the people who may not know what a sneaky link is. Yeah. First, help us understand what that is.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
And then explain us. The only concern we have is how are people who don't want people to know that they're hooking up with someone? What are the possibilities they're going to want to do it on TV?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
And like, why? Why were they sneaky?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
All the guys were hot.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah, but anyways, what was his video?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah, it's like a power dynamic there.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
You don't think that, but could you just go ahead and actually ask the lawyers and make sure I can't?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Because if I can, I'm going to.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Do we have a preview of this trailer?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Can we play a trailer? When's it come out?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Oh, my God. All right, let's check out the trailer of Sneaky Links.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
A couple questions after seeing that. One, are any of the men the ones who wish they could be in a relationship that are being hidden? Is it?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
They are. There are some sad boys.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Out there in the wild. How many sexual partners did the person who had the most sex have on the show? Like, I don't mean coming into the show. I mean filming the show. Like, how many?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah. What was the most sexual partners one person had?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Wow.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
When their sneaky link showed up.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Oh, that's because they've been, you can know that because they've been terrible to that person. Well, it's not an ex. I did not sign up to get exposed.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
From your perspective, how many of the people who didn't want to date their sneaky link didn't want to date them because they didn't perceive them to be their physical match or equal?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
That was maybe the number one reason, do you think, from your perspective?
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Will we learn anything from watching the show or is it just a fun, hot, messy mess?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Did you watch Temptation Island?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
What did you think? How do you think this compares to that? Because that was a massive smash hit, particularly around the messiness.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
What made you the angriest?
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That'll get you.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
He sucks. He does suck.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Oh, do you think it's a bit of a mirror for people watching? Yeah, there's different pain points in different shows. What did you think about yourself after hosting this show? Have you ever been a Sneaky Link or Sneaky Linked?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
So you've hidden a boy before?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Why?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
And by craft, you mean how they're able to manipulate?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Which one did you want to have sex with?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
In your head, not in reality.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Was he the toxic one or the one who learned?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
So what do you want to go to school for?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I just don't like it when people water down the meaning of meaningful words.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
You know, because... They do exist. Not everyone who made you mad as a narcissist. Yeah.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Possibly. Yeah.
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For you.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Who knows?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
What else have you been up to?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
We only talked about Vanderbilt and Phil as it relates to Mormon Housewives. Did anything else go on? I mean, that season has come out. It's been out. It's come and gone, I believe. No one cares, right? Do they, other than Mormon Wives?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Perfect. What is the biggest difference dating in America versus dating in the UK?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
can you fall in love and fall out of love that quickly well i think there are people who just get excited and are emotionally immature and they actually maybe think they're in love yeah and then like a week later like oh i guess i just want to have sex with you what is the most american thing you've been doing since you've been here
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
You guys in what, Libya? There's like two countries.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
There's an African country, I believe, that drives on the wrong side of the road.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
What's Menorah? But you guys are the odd man out.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
We thought you segued into vaginas.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I think it's just the UK.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
That's right. New Zealand does. What am I talking about?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
But, like, objectively... I mean, it's been two seasons.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
So wait, wait, back to the British boys. Like they just, they're, are they mean at first? Are they hard to read?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
So what I'm hearing is the UK men are just upfront sucky.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
And the American men pretend not to be sucky at first, but then you eventually find out they're also sucky. Yes. Okay.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
No one gives a shit.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I didn't like it.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Sarah can watch and finish just about anything. I don't know what that says about Vanderpump Villa if you can't get through it.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I think timelines are useless. I think a guy will wait. Guys love a goal. Give him six months, he'll wait six months. Give him two days, he'll wait two days. Six dates. I think, like you said it perfectly, if you want to have sex, you should have sex because that's how you're going to get a sex. If you're having sex because you think he'll like you more, he won't.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
He never will.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
He'll like you more by not having sex. Once he has sex with you, he's like, oh, I guess I just wanted to have sex with you.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Men don't know that until after they have sex with you, but they think they're... Interested until they're in to it. Kind of. You know, they just... And then they're like, hmm.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
And that can happen even if you make him wait six weeks or six days. Yeah.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
That seems like a lot.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
She just constantly catches grenades and shrapnel from things that have nothing to do with her.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
What kind of monster am I?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Oh my God.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
You don't want anyone to think you're cheating. It looks like a very fun show and we're excited that you are a part of it. It's sneaky links. It's out tomorrow on Netflix. Check it out. If you are in the mood for some scandalous dating hookups, some secrets, some sneaky links, this is the show for you. And congratulations on hosting the show. Thank you. Very cool experience.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
But a lot of people.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
okay i think i could do this forever you know i'm a netflix employee yeah i'm part of the biz exactly yeah and then it must be cool because obviously netflix has a a plethora of of uh talent that uh i'm sure many of them were you know i mean come on you got like you you're competing a little bit with your peers is what i'm saying and like you you know it's always like a it's almost like a motivation which they would have gotten you know right
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Live there. Yeah. Right. Less than a mile.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
All right. Well, watch it. Check it out. Sounds like you guys are going to love it. We're excited to watch it. It's out tomorrow. Chloe, other than on Netflix, where can people find you?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
All right.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Well, thanks for coming, Chloe.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Okay. Wow. Questions asked and answered. If nothing else, I think it's going to be hot people hooking up. I'll be watching. Which is always beautiful. Always fun to watch. Let's do Summer House. Did Lexi carry this season?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Do we care about anything else this season?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Well, we did have, I feel like the moment where Lindsay brought up her like anniversary of her breakup post.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Either it was the producers going to Lindsay or Lindsay going to the producers and being like, I just give me this. I just I've been I've been living in a room, not being a part of this season, doing absolutely nothing. Or maybe the producers are like, hey, you know, like, can we get a little something from you? I know you're like, you know, all about happy, healthy Lindsay, keeping your peace.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Can you just be petty for no reason for a second? I mean, completely. We agree. This is like an absurd video for her to post.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah. Like a mystery song?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Let me ask you this. What's the line of fucking move on versus, you know, you get to keep talking at some point. And as someone I'm just saying, I know what it's like to be Carl.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
But, like, Lindsay is pregnant with someone else's child, and Carl did do her a favor, and Carl, despite her hating it in the moment and her graciously coming on this show to talk mad shit about Carl post-breakup, which we all appreciated, she should be thanking Carl in a genuine way, not in a petty sort of, like, I move on despite...
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
She doesn't have to really think, but the reality is that she is having someone else's baby that wouldn't have happened if it weren't for Carl, like maybe seeing the light.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
All that being said, like, I'm just saying, I know what it's like to be Carl and having people just like not get over the fact that someday in this lifetime, you two had some kind of connection and that connection is fucking over. And maybe we can just move on and maybe you can find a different way to get engagement or clicks. I'm just saying, I know what it's like and it's pretty fucking annoying.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
She's carrying a child that...
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I don't know.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
If I'm the new boyfriend, hate it.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Maybe, you know, she's just working.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Taylor's constantly catching shrapnel, even from Justin Baldoni's lawyer, who last week tried to make some claim that according to a trusted source, he heard a rumor that that allegedly, Blake, threatened Taylor with releasing all of these public text messages, a judge has stricken that down. Stricken. And basically said, stop your shenanigans and tomfoolery when it comes to this case.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Listen, again, in the terms of this show, it was a funny moment.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Well, she's not.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
The conversation that this episode opened up with, with Sierra and Jesse having like some kind of serious friend heart to heart. Like if you're doing that with someone of the opposite sex, that's not your girlfriend and you are supposedly in a, in a new dating situation and you're pursuing a relationship,
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I'm just saying that conversation that Sierra and Jesse had, like someone wants to have sex with someone in that scenario. There's just no point to have that serious of a conversation about each other's feelings and how one person might feel disrespected or or needs you to prioritize them somehow.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah. I mean, just he doesn't want to be like the type of liar that women call a narcissist or a monster. Exactly. That's what I'm saying.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah. Jesse's never going to change. No. He's never going to have to.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
He'll never change, though.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
And I think even threatened sanctions against the judge. Mm-hmm. And then all the Justin sycophants and super fans are like, oh, well, the lawyer, he signed a sworn affidavit, so he must be telling the truth. Well, the sworn affidavit that he has a source that he thinks he can trust and someone's willing to say this, that's all he's saying. So that could be literally anyone. It could be his dog.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
him talking about his exes he's like yeah and none of them were just like excited about their careers like none of them were what do you do jesse first of all i mean we talked to lexi for like 90 minutes she seems to be very excited about her career we learned a lot about lexi a lot going on sounds like we had a conversation that jesse never had with her right about herself about herself
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I guess he'll never change because Professor Scott Galloway, I'm a fan of his work. He talks a lot about the digitization of internet dating and how it's made dating for women, for all women, just a little bit worse.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
And then it made for a small percentage of men, Jessie,
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Amazing. Amazing. Because like everyone online thinks they have access to the one percent available to them, the six foot four people who make a little bit of money. And then it's just trash for all the like, I guess the average an average looking man. So average is whatever you think it is, has to like has to swipe right a thousand times to get one coffee date.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
And then four out of five of those women will ghost.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
him while Jesse Sullivan is up there just being like and he can just he'll get unlimited chances to I feel like maybe not after this I don't know he still maybe he'll get more no he still will yeah he'll still he's getting eaten alive for this on the internet but uh when he walks out in New York there'll always be plenty of people who think they can change him it's the one who's talked the most shit about him too that's gonna be like hey oh my god you can't believe that I hooked up with that disgusting slimeball yeah you went for him
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Anyways, congratulations, Lexi. You really handed yourself quite well throughout this season. And that's how you break up with someone.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
All right, Secret Lives of Mormon Wives time before we get to the interview of Jesse and Michaela. You know, Miranda, maybe it's just like rookie season. You know, we enjoyed our conversation of going deeper with her. She gave a lot there, but she seemed to be kind of afraid of all the women this season.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
They're like, dance. Let's see what you got.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Like the one person you know is the person you had a falling out with because you and each other's husbands kind of had a thing or not.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Your one ally is Whitney.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah, but I don't think we realize when like this group of women who make up this show are a small percentage of all the moms of Utah in Salt Lake City. And the aspiring mom talkers are we've learned talking to these women like there's a lot of them. There's thousands of them.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
So even though like Taylor knew Miranda, I honestly don't think a lot of these women like they weren't like friends with her, like they didn't fuck with her.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Maybe not the first time meeting. I don't know about that, but I don't think it was like this person they've been hanging out with on the regular on the side. And then they pretended to not know her coming in.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Sure, that's because this all started through the scandal, which I think a lot of these women, like the Demis and the Gens, weren't a part of that scandal and weren't friends. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. This group came together after the fact.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
His dog could be the one being like,
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah. I heard that Taylor Swift and Blake Lively, like she was going to like, that's all it is. It's just like a, it's a source of a rumor.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah, it's tough. I know, you know, we now see Taylor, though, obviously defending her family in the comments. I don't want to, like, I mean, inappropriate for sure. Tough, tough watch. Definitely would have loved Dakota to have stood up for his lady in that moment.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
But especially Dakota. I mean, like, I mean, when, you know.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I know. It is a weird moment, though. I mean, we've talked about this, but when you were pregnant on Thanksgiving and it was the first time I'd experienced men in your family making remarks about your body, which wasn't meant maliciously. And it wasn't like I had to confront them, but I made some remarks about their comments in a passive, aggressive way.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Which was weird to do, but still necessary.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah. I think it's like, what's with all the guys in this family commenting on pregnant women's bodies? And I kind of said that aloud, and they all kind of awkwardly... Her brother was very kind and handled it appropriately after the fact. But yeah, he just doesn't... Yeah, Dakota doesn't...
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Which I listen, I think what we know about Dakota and Taylor is they are antagonistic with each other. And we've all been in those types of relationships where you just, you know, it's the hurt people hurt people and they're constantly hurting each other. And I think they both feel like a victim of the other person. They can't get out of how they feel victimized in this relationship.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
They can't see the forest through the trees. Taylor, that whole scene where she's going through the text message, it's going to be... Taylor's always so in control when she's activated. I think that's why we love Taylor so much. You can tell she's triggered, but she has this level of calmness that makes her seem so very in control.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah. But then, more importantly, because, like, obviously, Blake's team is going to Blake's team. But, like, the judge is like, stop this shit out. He finally seems to be putting a stop to it. But not after all the ridiculous headlines that made it seem like it was a fact.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
When she's going through the text messages or when she's confronting one of the ladies, she's just... She never loses it completely.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
But even then she's articulate, you know, she's, she doesn't lose her composure.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
she's incredible I am reading I am processing and I'm about to eviscerate you the best part is watching these women attempt to go after Taylor and then she does the whole yeah yeah and they're like yeah I love you I wish I could god to be able to eviscerate someone like that is the coolest it's a skill it's a skill I do not have it and I kind of wish I did I would only use it for good is Demi trying too hard so far
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another wild and wacky episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. Boy, do we have a banger of a week lined up for you guys. What? What's going on? Wild and wacky. I just like to make things up. Boy, do we have a jam-packed episode for you. The ladies of MomTalk continue to make their presence felt on The Vow Files.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah, but I don't mind the shit talking because even like Michaela is talking more shit this season. Jesse is louder this season. But they seem to be doing in a way that doesn't come across as trying to reclaim a position. You know what I'm saying?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
But we'll hear Jesse's version of the whole contract negotiations. But when they talk about it in the next batch of episodes, the way to me is just like, no, it's just like there was just like a misunderstanding and like everything's fine now. And then when we hear Jesse's version, she's like, she did what? She said what? Yeah. You know, it's two different versions for sure.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
It's good to watch.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I don't know what they all, like Jesse and Demi's big problem with Jen is. Why are they trying so hard to take out Jen?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
And sweet little Mormon Jen was this like, oh, my God. Yes.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
They didn't anticipate Jen being famous and telling the world. And they're like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Actually, we were just kidding.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
It's kind of more charming than it is evil, though. I feel like from what I can gather, that's kind of her biggest crime. And then maybe, you know, with the whole, like, you know, Halloween party, she didn't relay the message to Zach the best possible way.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I mean, they continue to try to bully and win this case in the court of public opinion. Anything new with Karen Reid going on, speaking of trying to win the case of public opinion?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
You know, we'll see. But we left season one hating Zach. Everyone, you know, if it wasn't Whitney, Zach was maybe the biggest villain of the season. But like, I don't think And maybe some people will never forgive him for his haircut season one or just like some people just like hate his face. You know, some people hate my face. You know, they'll never get over it.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
But I think there's a world where Zach might redeem himself a little bit. He seems like he's just said, I'm going to go ahead and be a husband. Better. Yeah.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
quit medical school I mean if you say oh well not because she's making money either way you're talking about a man who grew up in a very patriarchal society and this is a man who's choosing his who's quitting his dreams to support his wife's I'm just saying like we should acknowledge that a little bit you know we'll see if it's real we'll see how long it lasts but steps in the right direction yeah preach
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Well, anyways, let's hear from Jesse and Michaela first. And listen, people, you know, there's a lot in this season to break down. We're going to be talking about this show for a few weeks now. We're not the ones who chose for them to, like, drop it all at once. So, like, we will be breaking down things.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
If we didn't get to your favorite scene today, chances are it's in this interview with Jesse Michaela. Don't worry. We have Macy and Layla on Thursday. Reality recap going deeper. I will say we were supposed to have Taylor, but some drama happened between Dakota and Taylor that morning, which seems to be an ongoing thing. So they're still making each other's lives miserable. Yeah.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Something happened late at night. You know, they were filming season three. I don't know.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Lots of detail.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
So anyways, Jesse and Macy.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Jesse, Michaela, welcome back.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I'm not back in the corner this time. I know, I can actually see you and hear you. That is crazy. I'm like, oh, I get, you know, first chair. I barely hear you last time.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Was that trauma of being in back?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yes, you know, I brought up all my wounds from therapy about not being good enough.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Well, I got to say, you really showed up this season. Oh, really? Well, you are front and center of the drama. You are, you know.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Someone texted me a podcast and was like, you're messy.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Honestly, both of you.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Oh.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I say this with love and a compliment as someone who, again, more than anything, just a fan.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Okay, good. Thanks.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Simply just a fan of both you, of the show. You both found your voice through both your voice and your actions. Oh, great. Specifically you, Jessie. Oh, yay. Yeah, you definitely were front and center. Yay, Jessie. But anyways, so yeah, was that trauma putting you in back there what really catapulted you?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah, that's why I stepped it up season two.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I find it fascinating that you ladies were recording this before the season has dropped. You ladies haven't seen it yet.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
No.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
We're nervous. You're nervous. Yeah. Have you fought with the producers?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
No, I'm the favorite. I'm the favorite. I'm like, I never fight them. Mm-hmm.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
And we lived it, but we have no idea, obviously, how it's put together, what was cut and stuff. And so it's hard to know you guys have seen it and We have no idea what the edit is.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
no you aren't you just want everyone involved Jessie is a yes girl she's too nice I am so is that really is that what it is you're just I have a hard time yeah saying no to people and so I feel like I'm a people pleaser which can make me messy but it's not it's not necessarily Machiavellian in the sense where you're like who's not here I feel like yeah what can I do to make this dramatic it's not that but hey it made good TV right no no again thank you I'm just like but I'm just curious like the human Jessie like what is what is she thinking it's people pleasing for sure it's people pleasing yes okay
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I'm like, what do you mean? I told you that. I told you not to invite Chase. I didn't know Chase that well at all. I think I had met him one time.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yes. You know what?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Honestly, that's a great place to start because I think a lot of fans, me included, are Obviously, we know that mom talk started with like Miranda and Taylor and the whole swinging scandal. And obviously we we talk about that a lot and that gets brought up a lot. But like I don't feel like everyone fully knows like who was friends with who who really knew each other.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Like how close were all of you women before this all like really got together mom talk wise? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, how did you all like how did you get brought into the group?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
So Macy actually brought me in.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Okay.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
And it's funny because in Utah, like there's a big group of influencers and we all go to events together and like it's like a little community. So we were all intertwined in that community.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Like how many?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
It's like if we haven't met, you know, 50 to 100 people. Yeah. Yeah. So like you would go to an event and see people. So like Macy and I knew each other because of that. I had actually done Whitney's hair for two years before the show. Jessie's mom did my hair once. Yeah, Mikayla's been to my salon. So we all knew of each other.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Like I am responsible for Whitney's ever-changing hair in season one, you know? So like I knew Whitney.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I knew Whitney really well. And then Macy referred me because she just, I guess, thought I would be good because she knew of me. But there was that mom talk group that was really close for a while, but it was like more business.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
two years go by and that's when the show we always say though but back then mom talk was like transactional from what i've heard like yeah business get your video done see ya now it's like a real friendship yeah do you feel like there's a group of women in utah who maybe were involved in the original mom talk who are very bitter yes yeah oh he's gotta be right but i'm like i want i want i want that story i want that to be a show if it's not no i want the story about all the women who are jealous and like it's like i don't know put it on like a less
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Well, at the beginning.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah. I actually think I got closest with Jen and Layla before the show started filming, though, because we all went on like trips together and like. We would hang out before filming started. And me, Jen and Layla were like the newbies to the group. So we kind of like stuck together because of that. But then as filming went on, I obviously got really close with Demi.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
And now I'm closest with Mikaela and Macy. So and Taylor. It changes all the time. It does. You never know.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Do you ever run into the housewives?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yes. Brittany comes to my salon. And then I have met Whitney.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Is she singing when she walks in?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yes. All the time. I love her. She's so funny. And she always grabs me to do like fun TikToks and stuff. Whitney, I've met a bunch of times. There was one time when Jen Shaw was in my break room eating pizza and I was looking at my security cameras and I was like, what the hell? So I like ran over to meet her. But yeah, like through that. Yeah. It's random. Yeah.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Michaela.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Again, you were amazing this season and a little messier, which, cause you're so like, like the first season you were just like demure, quiet. Oh yeah. Unless Whitney walked in the room. One thing I just love to just push back on you just a little bit.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yes, of course.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I'm usually, I'm usually not in the business of agreeing with Whitney.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
okay oh but like let's keep that going today don't stop now yeah i honestly respect how much you hate her um but like the the trolling tiktoks like yeah you really like this season you really did not back down being like i can do whatever the fuck i want um which obviously you can but like you can't appreciate why like that maybe that like maybe looks like you're yeah
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Still known. I think she'll be acquitted. Every time I text Emily Baker, our unofficial legal correspondent, who I really respect, very much tries to be the legal
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
See, that's helpful context because like in the show, it just looks like you're just out there waking up being like, I'm going to troll Whitney today.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Like how you guys stop being friends.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
correspondent that she is and and stick to the facts not not the opinions but i'm always like first i when i was made aware of the case by my dear wife i was like oh my god karen reen is innocent i'm texting this to emily and emily always responds back with like a non-opinion but like also something about the case but then i text emily a couple days later i'm like i think she's guilty now but i think she's gonna get off and her response was simply prosecution is a mess
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Wow. Interesting. Yeah. There was a scene with, with Macy where Macy wanted some accountability from Whitney and asked her to like reflect, like, do you now regret you're not coming? And Whitney did this whole thing. And so we go, how could I be sorry if that's how I felt in that moment?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
And it's like, wait, that doesn't, that's literally the, the definition of like reflecting back on your actions and like knowing that you felt one way in one moment. And like, now that like that moment has passed and,
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I mean, Whitney's literally the only one who's never been on the show. There have been several conversations with her team and us about coming on. As a character, I'm a fan. I'm just obsessed with the hospital TikTok. I can't watch it without it. It brings joy to my life. It truly does.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Because she's so blitzfully unaware of how it comes across. It's really funny. It's funny and it's frustrating.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
But in this season, she wanted to do an interview by herself. Our response was, you're not really in it this season.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Oh, good to know.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah, she definitely is much less of the villain this season from my perspective.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Is there a different villain in your perspective? No.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
No, it's just... Oh, no. I want to hear your thoughts. It's really just more... I mean, it's really going to be, I think, fan perspective. Obviously, and we'll get into it, but the season ends with a lot of accusations heading your way. Yeah. And I'd love to... And then you and me, obviously... Yeah, y'all were very critical of Jen.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Did season two touch on, like, the contract stuff?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Okay, so that was the first thing. Yeah, which round? That was the first thing that happened during the summer. Actually, before season one even aired, we started negotiating some different contracts as a group, and she basically... Threw me under the bus because I didn't care to fight for more money and she wanted an absurd amount of money.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
What did that conversation sound like?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
It had all of us on it. So we were all on a call. And keep in mind, this is a call with our lawyer and managers who represent us. So we should be able to say how we feel.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
And some of you share managers in lawyer respect.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah, totally. So they have our best interests in mind. And we should be able to say like, I want this, I want this. And it can differ. Some husbands were on. I was doing a podcast virtually. So I joined the call late. When I joined the call, the first thing I heard is Brett saying, if we don't get this amount, everyone's walking. And I was like, you can't speak for me.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
So I said that because that's initially what I heard. So I was like, wait, wait, wait. I just want you to know, like, I'm not willing to walk. And he was pissed. And they just were so mad at me. That is the catalyst for everything.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
But again, it didn't warrant the reaction.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
So then she's calling people behind the scenes being like, well, Jesse has no morals and no values. And Brett on the phone after you was like, oh. Oh, and then Brett's response to me was like, Jesse, you're willing to walk for pennies and none of us are. And that was gross. And just kind of like came at me.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
And then she's calling everyone behind my back being like, well, if Jesse doesn't like maybe Jesse doesn't need to be on the show, then let's get her off. then we can all get more money. Demi said that. Yeah. She was saying that she had no morals, no values. I'm not going to be a pawn in her hair scheme.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Also, after we just clearly talked about, there seems to be a line of women in Utah willing to take all of your places. And I think, obviously, the show knows that.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
which I believe is kind of her agreeing with me that she might get acquitted just because the prosecution doesn't seem to be doing their job appropriately.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I think, to be honest, Demi was a fan favorite and it went to her head. And she's like, well, I can make more money then. She did only say it a million times.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I think it's really important, obviously, as reality TV becomes more and more prominent, it gets more and more credibility. I think you, you guys deserve, you are stars. You guys deserve to get yours. But like when I, I would have done the bachelor for free.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Keep in mind, this is before season one aired.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
They were trying to get rich in that moment.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Like she doesn't want to work like a dog. That's her words. She doesn't want to hustle. No, but she wants to be rich. I think that that was where it started. And then I think for me, what was hard was after that happened, I didn't know everything she said about me. But then the text messages she sent me during that were like, you need to earn my friendship back. Like, I'm very disappointed in you.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Like kind of put herself on a pedestal above me where I had to like beg for her love is how I felt. And then the hair drama happened. So it was just like one thing after another. And I just kept forgiving her. Like I was like, I don't want to have another friendship fallout. Like I just it's fine.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
And the friendship fallout inevitably happened because I finally hit a point where after the finale where she like says she's going to walk. It was like that argument in my house. She was mad that I didn't defend her towards Taylor and that I didn't gang up on Taylor. And it was again, I'm disappointed in you. She sent me this big like breakup text and I was just like, I'm not doing this.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I'm not doing this pattern where I have to beg for your love if I'm not doing exactly what you want.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I was like, you know, I'm a fan of all you women, right? And we've gotten to know Demi and I've really quite, we've enjoyed her company.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Or at least she threw it out there.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah, apparently she had a whole plan.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
So it wasn't like, it wasn't something she just like, you know.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
It could be funny. Yeah, she's like, we could meet in a car and then like they could catch us. No, it was like a plan. But also, I think it says a lot that there are seven women who feel the exact same way about her. It's not just me that had issues. Like,
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I want to ask you, and I'm not sure how much you women can share. We've obviously interviewed Miranda.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
We interviewed her the morning that a lot of you were online in the comments between Marciano and Demi. Demi was here with Brett and she made some claims, some very serious claims.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
What I'll say is victims should always be believed. I'll say that.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
The live action of Tangled is disgusting. Imagine that just like...
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
None of us would ever do this if we didn't know for sure. Or we didn't have gut feelings and-
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Specifically Brett. Yeah.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Demi seemed pretty in line with Brett. I'm sure you can't tell us. I don't even know if you know for sure what's going on contractually, but like, I just want to know your opinions. Do you think Demi and Brett are done with the show and mom talk and secret lives?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
No, because the minute she gets a taste of like fame and the fun stuff we're doing now, it's like, Oh wait, I want to come back. So I think it's just like, so whether she does or doesn't come back, you think whether she leaves, whether she comes back, she'll always be back. Yeah. Okay. I mean, we met Lana Del Rey the other day and that was an opportunity we got.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
And as soon as she saw that, she's like tagging Lana on her story, like, let's do a redo. It's like, then why are you leaving these experiences?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
If she does decide to come back and is allowed back, how will you women approach her given her alleged behavior and how you women perceive her? Because it's one thing to be Whitney and not understand how to apologize or think you are as accountable as the rest of the group when maybe you might not be. And then there's everything that's going on with Demi. How will you women approach that?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
opinion with her i think guards are definitely going to be up 100 and i don't think i mean i don't see myself personally getting close again no and i had ended my friendship with her before all of these allegations so i already knew that was done for me and now this has added a bigger heavier layer but for me if she needs to be my co-worker that's fine i'm not going to go out of my way to mend a friendship do anything like that like i'm for sure done
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
But if I have to be around her, I will. Yeah.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Did you guys see the photo from the Get Real event where we're like, me and Demi are crouched down by each other and there's a big gap and everyone's like, that's so telling.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I will say that reality TV is hard on any relationship, whether it's a friendship or a marriage. And we've been through a lot and now it's going to be public and we're working through things and we're trying our best, but things are a little tricky right now. And, you know, I'm excited to hopefully someday share more about that. But right now it's a little bit, it's just real life and it's hard.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
So, yeah, I don't really know.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I have to ask, and I'm assuming because I think you guys are filming season three. And I know, obviously, we want to be conscious of spoilers. But, you know, season two ended with quite the accusation towards you. And Miranda made it seem like you and Jordan have some real tough conversations ahead. Yeah.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Do you want to clear the air about like you and Marciano and him saying you guys had an affair or can you like what what can you, if anything, clear up right now?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I can't say much. Unfortunately, I wish I could. But there is just so much more to the story. And again, relationships are hard and they're nuanced. And there's so much more that I'm I'm excited to share because I think people will be able to relate to my story. And I think it may help people.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Oh my gosh, that is a loaded question. No, I think that there's been a lot that's happened. And I think that he and I are both willing to work on things and change. But maybe he should be asked that question because that might wake him up. But no, I think there's a lot of things that have needed to change.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Well, first, it's a cartoon, so it's fine.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I've heard some things about him, and I was really disappointed to hear. I hope they're not true. Clearly, you can't tell me, but your answer to Nali, I think, is revealing. And I'd love the opportunity to talk with him about some of the things I have heard, if they end up being true, because it's really quite sad and disappointing. But I am looking forward to it.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Looking forward to getting to the bottom of that.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I will say one thing about me is I I feel like unlike Whitney, I'm really good at taking accountability and I own my shit and I am excited to someday tell the full story and, you know, fall on my sword and take accountability for certain things, but also open up a bigger conversation that I think needs to happen.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I wanted to ask you guys about Jen. A lot this season, when you and Demi were still close, a lot of your focus and attention and criticism was towards Jen. Obviously, we know that Jen left the show and took a mental health absence and is pregnant. So I want to be respectful of that. It's my opinion watching the show that while Jen...
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
First of all, why aren't we calling it Rapunzel?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
may embellish maybe it's like and there's like the people who just like want to fit in want to people please get caught up in the moment and I'm not saying it's okay I clearly there needs to be correcting but that's my that's my Jen's harmless that's my that's my opinion of Jen is that she's more or less harmless yeah Do you, looking back, regret any of your behavior towards Jen?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Because it was pretty harsh.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
And I'm not blaming you for anything because there's a lot going on in Jen's life, specifically her relationship with Zach and the pregnancy and just, you know, probably a lot we don't know. Yeah. But how do you feel about your behavior with Jen? And do you think it was ever influenced by Demi?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Great question. So again, I can take accountability and I was harsh for sure. I think I was hearing a lot of things that I was just shocked by. And then Jen was so MIA from the group that it was a lot of jumping to conclusions because she wasn't giving us answers. So I think that's where a lot of it began.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
And then also Demi was on a mission at the time to make Jen seem like a liar because Jen knew more about the situation in Italy. So Jen was starting to expose that and say things. And so I think Demi was 10 steps ahead and was like, oh, I need to discredit her now. And if I can discredit her through this avenue and this avenue, it will make her look like a liar all around.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
So I do think there was a little bit of that. But again, I take accountability that I went hard on Jen on my own accord. And I was very frustrated by all of the lies building up. And then Zach himself telling us like, that's a lie. Like she didn't say that. I was like, what? So I think I was honestly getting caught up in the drama of it all.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
And looking back now, I'm like, okay, I was probably a little hard on her.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
thoughts, agree, disagree?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Say your truth and we'll make sure you're protected in the back end.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
No, like the friend who had a dad who worked in China and had a mansion. I had a sleepover once with a guy who had all the baseball cards. Oh, you're like, that's amazing. That's amazing. And I was like, when can I see him? He's like, no, they're like, they're not this house. They're in our house in Hawaii. I mean, I don't get it.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
That's I think what's frustrating is we can never get a clear answer.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
It's like I want to give her a pass. But even when she owns up to it, she's like talking in circles. She just she kind of leans into how unserious she is.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yes, yes, totally.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
But so it's like, if you know, it's like, how innocent are you?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I haven't figured out Jen.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
And then Zach's the opposite, where he's like- Very serious.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah, very serious, so it's really funny.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Speaking of Zach, he was, if Whitney was villain number one, he was villain number two in season one. And at least from what I saw season two- I'm not saying he completely redeemed himself and I'm not saying he's like a completely changed man, but I saw a lot of growth. And I saw a lot of at least intention to like, we didn't see him try to be a better person, at least, at least for his wife.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
So the weird, I don't know. Okay, so the weird thing is we didn't see Zach a ton. I think I saw him at my talk with him and then the Halloween party. So a lot of their stuff was like probably alone. And so I can't speak to that, but I will say I know he was trying and he was working on things and I'm proud for that.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I would say his one-on-one stuff with Jen, if season one looked like Zach was a deadbeat husband who never really gave a shit about his wife's emotional well-being, health,
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
anything all of the above he really seemed like a present husband who more than anything wanted to be there for his wife that was and i was i was i was really impressed and i was i appreciated that again i'm sure he has a long way to go uh everyone deserves a second chance to like undo their wrongs yeah michaela who is your favorite husband you cannot say jacob
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Do you think he sees what you see in Whitney?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah. That lady is not nice.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
yeah like the pregnancy in some ways i mean my mom had 11 kids and my mom also had some a variety of different health yeah struggles and there seemed to be time maybe it was just you know the belief in something yeah um but it really seemed like sometimes her pregnancies was almost a something that healed her.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
You would think that when it comes to pregnancy and women, there would be a lot of grace and unity. But it really seems that people are... Whatever they, you know, do not give an opinion that doesn't align with someone else online if you will hear about it.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Mormon wives superlatives.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
This isn't about the show. This is about your... Just our life.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
It's now time for Mormon Wives Superlatives.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
One at a time.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Take it away, Jesse.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah. Oh, I do have a question for you about them. Do you hope they get back together?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
No, not as of right now.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I just think, I think ever, never, ever. Yeah.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Who's most likely to sneak in a fart and blame someone else?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Whitney. Yes. Yeah. She would never take accountability for that part.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Try the Hunchback of Notre Dame. That really...
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Most likely to win an Oscar.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Not winning. No, say what you said about her. Remember when... Not winning.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I was like, I love that fur. It's the nicest thing you've ever done.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Person who thinks they're a good cook, but isn't.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Probably Jessie.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I'm me, probably. Yeah.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Ooh. Taylor? Yeah, Taylor just because she's so like, I don't give a fuck. Like she's so controversial at times. But also people love her. Her audience loves her.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Because she doesn't give a fuck.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah, exactly. They can see through it. Or like they see the genuine.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Do you think Taylor is the one who really doesn't give the fuck in the most authentic way of the group.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
But honestly, she owned it. So it's like, how do you stay mad at her? But I was talking to her the other day about hate and how she deals with it. And she's like, I go like this. I'm like, oh, okay. Like she is herself.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Most likely to steal a baby name.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Ooh. Especially with this going on. Imagine you guys like steal a baby name. I don't know why I want to say Jen. I want to say... Oh, no. Yeah, I see that. I don't know why.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I have zero names. She has zero names. And same with Mason. Send me all your ideas.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
No, we were joking with Jen. We're like, you should name your baby Ben. Yeah, I was like, Ben.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Most likely to pick their nose in public.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Well, ladies, thank you for coming by. Good luck. Hopefully season three. Hopefully I'll see you soon. Everyone watching, if you haven't already, Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is now streaming on Hulu, all 10 episodes. I think it's an absolute doozy. Jessie, good luck. I know there's a lot to unpack here.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
And yeah, I want to be respectful to you. I feel like I'm not doing my job pulling it out of you, but I feel like there's more to come. We'll circle back. Mikayla, it's so great to see you. So great to see you doing so well. Congratulations with the baby, everything that's going on in your life. Really so happy for you and Jace. And yeah, thanks for stopping by.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Thanks for listening. Thank you to our guys, Chloe Veach, Michaela, and Jesse from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Don't forget, it is streaming now, all episodes on Hulu. Check it out. We'll see you back tomorrow for a, boy, just a dark, crazy episode of Going Deeper from Michelle, formerly Michelle Lally of the Valley, talking about her ex-husband, Jesse Lally.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
That is tomorrow, and it's a very lifetime movie. See you then.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Today, we have Jesse and Michaela. Boy, do they serve.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I just wish she actually slammed her, like, Body slam. WWE style.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Where did Sammy get her?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Sammy's got that OnlyFans money. Where's Lola?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I mean, I think it's great to have Jesus as your best friend, but he ain't giving you cash.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
It was only my sister when she was trying to scam us, when she was like worked for like some kind of, you know, one of her many pyramid schemes or whatever. And I was like trying to be like, mom needs makeup. And then she would sell us the makeup and take the profits. Yeah.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
No, literally. What I love about that is I fully understood everything about his thought process, which was simply like, I just, I need to text my mom. This is the group chat. She's in this group chat. Good.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Done. Crazy. Yeah.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Anyways, they are here. They have a lot to say. I'm actually shocked about the claim that it was Michaela. Michaela? Jesse confirmed it about how an idea that Demi had for the end of season one. That was...
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Well, Sonya Morgan and restaurants just do not mix.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Is she drinking before she's eating?
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I'm still kind of confused by the story because she allegedly is out to dinner and then an elderly patron at a restaurant was dining who appeared to be in distress.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I don't know. There was distress. So apparently Sonia called the 911, but then ended up being on the ambulance.
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E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
She says, no, no, no. Is this the same restaurant? They're like different restaurants. This is in Florida. Why is she being accused of trespassing at a restaurant that's open?
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
I kind of do like Locke. Poe maybe.
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
Can you imagine dating someone whose name is Poetry and you're mad at them? You're fighting. Poetry! Poetry!
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
Sounds like a herd. Yeah, foster a couple. Yeah. Just throw three or four of those in there.
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
Charlie XCX or Jelly Roll?
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
I didn't even transition.
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
You're tired. Bad knees, bad knees. I think I would have even jumped at a Charlie.
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
I think she's part of it. She's part of the OG song. She's OG song.
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
He called her a cheater.
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
That's River. That's River right there. That's it.
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
He was like, yeah, this chick has been cheating.
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
Do you think she looks anything like you, baby?
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
That's what I'm saying.
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
Why is she hyping it like a Jake Paul fight?
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
Well, if he got it, show it. But if not, just don't weaponize it.
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
Over the weekend, it was like, got a new celebrity, like, a new couple alert.
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
He's a artist.
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
Yeah, sources tell TMZ that Britney has a whole B.F. on the East Coast. A hunk named Rocky Hawkins.
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
what a name can we have a do is there a picture of hockey rocky rocky hawkins sounds like a high school job like a quarterback in the movie with the letterman jacket on wait that's always so interesting to me when couples decide that it's like okay well they're like this kind of tracks though but she seems to have a roster there's rock this she's a fuck boy for sure she's a fuck boy that's rocky
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
He was dating Avril Lavigne before. I don't feel like that works for men like it seems to work for women.
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
Yep. What are those other with the purple shirt? Oh, no. Yeah, the purple. That's scary. Yikes. Yeah. That's him. He's kind of grungy. I just feel like, Scotty, would you agree that if you were married and all in love and shit, but in your single days, if you found out a lady- Yeah, I remember him. If you found out a lady that you were into dated some celebrity, would you go-
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
Who? Eyes changed. The ladies, yeah. Sorry. Wait, I'm sorry, what? Yeah, it's like sometimes you get a little impressed about who their exes might be.
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
Oh, 100%. But if you found out that I dated someone less attractive,
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
All right. You know what? You're like, what do women do? What do we do?
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
All I'm saying is you will investigate who we date and you will have a strong opinion about it. And we, Jen, do not.
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
Yeah, we don't have an opinion whatsoever about your exes, really.
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
Well, unless they show up in our new relationship.
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
Unless it's like, who is John and why does he keep calling you? Exactly. Yeah, no, of course. Yeah.
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
But I do care. Yeah, you care. But I care. Yeah, no, 100%. I care. I worded it wrong. Yeah. I can't speak. Okay.
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
it's not a boyfriend rocky is there yeah yeah they have an understanding i don't know if they're on the same page i don't know if the understanding is consistent she's the fuck boy in the relationship she's a fuck boy right this was the plan she's a fuck boy wait no it wasn't she was the one that they didn't even make it to like the no like they didn't even leave the resort or something right they got engaged and then the creators of the show were like you guys are full of shit
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Not really. No. They won't go away. Honestly. Yeah. Yeah. Leo and her. They seem lovely and nice, but, like, they won't go away. They're still in the news for news that they seem to be creating, like, you know, being seen at a concert with a kind of famous person. Oh, they're loving it. Yeah. And he's, like, making, you know, he's... They're just milking it. They're making their own news.
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So, like, you know, good for them. We're talking about it. Yeah, of course.
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Long gone.
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She is handling it not in a way I would.
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Daughter of John Mellencamp. Yes. Cougar. Cougar. No idea.
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Not to be confused with the actual horse. The horse trainer. The horse trainer.
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No.
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It was after I had Cocoa Pebbles, too.
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Is that is that can we stop saying alleged at this point?
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Well, we know when the kid was born and where he was. Yeah.
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Who knows? I mean, these are messy situations that, you know... But it's more about the stage.
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I got it just because we had company. And then I was like, I also ordered a bunch of Chinese food. It was a lot of Chinese food. And then since I have to have Cocoa Pebbles for dessert, I had to have another Cocoa Pebbles after the Chinese food. Just to balance everything out. I was very full. I'm still full.
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If your spouse is hanging out with a male trainer.
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Those personal trainers.
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Well, I mean, it definitely gives... Teddy doesn't care about this story going away, right? I mean, if you're being alleged to have an affair with your trainer, who allegedly also just had a baby recently, and there's a horse event. I mean, I know she's like, I gotta be at the event, I guess. My horse is showing. Gotta be there.
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Well, she's going to Vegas, maybe. Oh, she's going on a horse show.
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Do you think there's any way they had, like, an open relationship gone bad?
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A while.
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I mean, listen, but that's the thing. It's just, like, pop off if you guys have an understanding that got a little out of control, but, like, other kids are involved.
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Do we know what the event was? I do. You do?
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Did we know if Teddy's horse... Does Teddy have a horse? Why was Teddy there? She has a horse, but I have no clue what... Did she win?
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At least. She's indirectly like referencing. I gotta say, your horse taking third, would it make me feel better? I mean, I need that horse to talk.
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That definitely helps with the home-wrecking accusations. Yeah, she should have got a different horse trainer to be honest.
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Nudes of another person were being distributed. At her. At an event. On posters at her event. Oh, posters.
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And hear her, listen to her excuse.
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Oh, Kenya's a victim.
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I don't think that's a saying. Hindsight 2020. Which is hilarious about 50-50 because in hindsight, honestly, it depends on whose story you want to listen to. Hindsight is 50-50. You want to listen to my bullshit story or the truth? 50-50. It could go either way.
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Let's not talk about it. I definitely won.
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She said that Bravo wasn't looking into her for revenge porn. And then she basically was like, even though I distributed it to people in life, in the world, Bravo decided not to distribute it to their audience. And therefore, I'm good. And I don't think that works that way. I mean, well, the people at the event would have still seen the... She also admitted to doing it in her denial.
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I was really excited. I was one of the silly, naive people who thought Tyson was going to knock. I... Jake Paul really, he has played me for a fool so many times. I have, I think every time, even before it was free on Netflix for us to stream, well, for the people who were able to watch, I've paid every time to watch Jake Paul get his face smashed.
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that's wild oh that's always awful though yeah nah that's fucked up anytime you don't want to be naked on the internet you don't want to be naked on the internet well good to see you guys always thanks for having us up next we got Joan and her sexy new man Choc to talk about their love affair and then when we come back from that we'll be breaking down the Real Housewives of OC reunion part 2 and Salt Lake City
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And he really hasn't ever really got his face back. And I'm like, this is the time. Every time. This is going to happen, you know, when it's like these old MMA fighters, you know, who seem like, you know, only five or ten years past their prime. I knew it was not going to happen that way. He wins every time. And then Mike Tyson looked old. His legs were not looking good.
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Chuck, I just want to say congratulations, man. I've been rooting for you since night one. I saw that. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. You predicted him.
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I did. I was like, there's something about this Chuck guy. I don't know. He seems like a good one. He is. How has it been so far? You guys enjoying the whirlwind? How has it been kind of being able to be in public and kind of celebrate your love?
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Amazing. Chag, I also, can I just say you look excellent in a suit. Oh, thank you. At the proposal and the reunion.
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It was a power suit, man. I liked it better than the shorts. I'm yeah. So I wear more suits. You look great. Thank you. I appreciate it. What has this been like for you, Chuck? As Joan kind of guided you through the kind of the fame that comes with the spotlight, you know, you seemed very sincere through this whole process, very much there for love. They're for the right reasons, as they say.
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But obviously what comes with this whole experience is the attention. What has that experience been like for you?
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Joan, I'd love to hear a little bit more about your and Chalk's first date at Disneyland. It seemed like that really solidified your connection with Chalk.
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Chuck, you know, I feel like most people go on the show, go for the experience and kind of open to finding love because you never really know. And people say, you know, you signed up for. But until you get into this crazy experience, you don't really know what this whole process really is.
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At what point were you kind of realizing that, holy crap, you know, Joan is someone I could fall in love with, you know, and when did it feel real for you? Because again, I got to imagine while you were open to finding love, you didn't really know what to expect until you showed up and got to meet Joan.
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Okay.
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Yeah. Well, given the fact that you didn't prep for the show, I am curious because obviously once you had that connection early on at Disneyland, you know, you seem like a very respectful guy. Obviously, you made a lot of friends, but it must have gotten harder and harder for you to pretend to be okay with all these other men going on dates with someone you were clearly falling in love with.
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And I must imagine, because I've been in your shoes before, you must have not taken those relationships as seriously. But how did you handle that, not being familiar with the process? Because obviously people who've watched the show, they kind of understand, okay, she's going to go on group dates, she's going to go on these other dates.
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But for you, having no idea what the show was, how challenging was it for you to be falling in love with this woman and then watch these other guys go on dates with her?
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And you guys wouldn't have met each other.
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Yeah.
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What is something you two, since you've been together, have had to work through as a couple? Like, have you have you had your first kind of like little bit of a disagreement? You know less about each other when you got engaged than you know about each other because you just saw a little bit of time.
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But like as you've gotten to know each other, what is something that's been kind of like, oh, OK, well, this is this is new. You know, this is something that's kind of a moment that you've had to kind of understand about each other.
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I'm sure you guys get this question a lot. It has to be asked. Probably annoying, but where are we on any type of wedding planning, wedding dates? Are we just kind of pushing that out? I'm sure everyone's asked you that question, but we would be remiss if we didn't ask the question.
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Because that kind of handcuffs. If that's the case, that makes me really hate Jake Paul. Because we all knew that Mike Tyson being 57, 58 years old, if he was going to win. Exactly. Even when Mike Tyson was in his prime, he was the guy who was like, you have to win in the first five seconds because he's a pit bull. And then he kind of gets a little tired after.
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Exciting for them. Thank you so much, you guys. Congratulations to you both. So happy for you guys. I hope we'll get a chance to catch up with you guys in the future. But best of luck to you. We'll see you at the wedding. Thank you.
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All right. Take care.
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Bye, Joe.
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I know. They're going to last longer than a- Like a smash pad in New York City.
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Why didn't you ask him, is this a smash pad?
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I just was like- So is this a smash pad?
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I feel like Chalk would have been a little uncomfy, but Joan would have giggled.
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Well, we wish them all the best. I believe in them. I do. More than I did Gary and Teresa. I don't think anyone's going to be signing any type of NDA, divorce, prenup. Anyways, congrats to them. Now's a good time to let you know that we have an incredible episode of Going Deeper this Wednesday.
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And Browen, your favorite new housewife of Salt Lake City and maybe Bravo Nation overall, is with us on Wednesday. And she really gets into it with us. Everything, well, really about her. Just her background, her childhood. What she thinks of the women. Browen, she's here to stay. She's here to play. And she came out swinging. We love that.
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Go and listen to the episode. All right. Well, we are wrapping up the vacation in Palm Springs.
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They really cooked.
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The Top Gun scene?
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They're doing more than New York. That's for sure.
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We didn't actually. I think Natalie and I were the only people who did not have internet connection. Were you watching on Netflix? Yes.
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Yeah, but he lives in an echo chamber. Yeah. He lives in the Lisa Barlow echo chamber. She comes home and just constantly vents about how she's victimized by literally everyone. Yeah. Everyone. Her peers, the production company, Bravo, Wendy's. Or maybe she doesn't.
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Oh, yeah. I heard there was a lot of streaming issues. A lot of people had a lot of buffering problems. Netflix is... Yeah, we were good. I think the tally is now two for four when it comes to live events. Because they did a live reunion. Well, the first one was the Love is Blind one.
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I'm predicting.
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He wanted to call her crazy in that moment.
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He was way too scared. He's like, so... Okay.
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He tried to.
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i was really upset that uh what's whitney's justin i was really upset he even kind of apologized i know he just did it to end it and just shut it up and just try to be done with it but but also if she felt like he was being aggressive then like she what but we saw the replay but you but you can't say like we weren't in lisa's body in the moment so like if she was like you know that what like you did step that's dangerous i honestly i'm maybe i'm being a little hyperbolic here but we live in complicated sensitive times yeah you
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And when we have video evidence of a guy not being aggressive towards a woman and we have a woman accusing of a man being aggressive when he's not, I don't like the narrative that she gets to bully this guy into admitting to something he didn't do.
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You could say, I'm sorry, that hurt your feelings. Which I would argue is not an apology. That's not an apology. But that's not how he apologized. Is it?
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Do we know what is exact?
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What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick. I got the household here. And we got some special guests sitting in the studio kicking off this show. Our friends, Erica and Scott. What is your guys' last name? I thought you forgot our names or something. No, no, no.
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Yeah, it's overused for sure.
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her i was at her event and i didn't see her anywhere and i said bitch are you hiding upstairs and like that wasn't like a mean bitch it was like a bitch bitch sure sure sure but you actually do that when you're playing and it's pretty clear like in those scenarios that you're being like bitch lisa seems to be like you fucking bitch blah blah blah and then two days later tells a version where it's like i wasn't saying bitch you know like yeah i guess she is one of our incredible television personalities
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Both with the buffering and the connection, and then Nick and Vanessa Lachey. Yeah, the whole... They were buffering, too. They were, yeah.
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He's a CEO. He is a CEO.
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Did you guys catch that? He's the CEO of Lisa's...
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I guess in those, and sometimes from what I know about celebrity endorsements of spirits of some kind, often there's a whole operation I don't know, maybe Lisa started this brand from the ground up, and she is... Pervita. Yeah, does she own her distilleries? No, that's a good question. Or is she white-labeled?
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They were like, we can't figure out how to work out. That was the internet. That was the connection problem. And then Nick and Vanessa just kept buffering throughout the live part once they got going.
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It's obviously very easy to judge and speculate to how we got to this point in terms of Mary and her son's relationship and specifically his lack of, say, let's say structure in his life. But I thought it was very vulnerable of Mary in that moment to just be like, maybe I spoiled him.
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I want to do anything I can to address this problem and just kind of say point blank to her son, like, I don't think you're ready for the world, so to speak. Mm-hmm. And I don't know what to do, but I really want to get you ready for the which is this. Listen, it's a very honest thing to say to your kid and how we got to that point. I don't know.
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But that's probably the most honest thing you could say in that moment to your kid, which is like I'm trying to have some sort of wake up call. You know, I thought it was very loving.
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was live his like stand up comedy was live that seemingly went off okay but then we had Jake Paul and Mike Tyson not work and apparently they have another one when's the next one coming up Beyonce they're gonna do shut up for like a Christmas Christmas halftime of a football game I feel like a lot of people are gonna be watching that
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Oh, she's joking. Yeah. It's like when people make fun of us for our age gaps, like sometimes we lean into it and tell the same jokes that people talk about us, so to speak. And I felt like that's what Broadway was doing at the moment.
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I feel like those are housewives. It's like when someone else tries to make a joke, it's an opportunity for you to be like, well, that's not funny. It's star drama. And I think all these women know how to star drama. This is the Mean Girls playbook. It's like, ew, that's weird. Like, that's how all this shit starts.
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And that's all these, like, Lisa and Meredith and Heather are, like, the queen at, is just being like, ew, weird.
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They better get their stuff together now. They're going up against the Beehive.
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Jen Shaw outed Meredith's son.
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We do know how the songs go.
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I think so. She's messy. I think so. I think it's genius. You know like I'm watching the season and I'm like yeah Meredith's guilty.
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Yeah.
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That was giving he wants to be a housewife.
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Was that his way of being like, as a guy, I can't say bitch, but I can say bitch.
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That's my biggest gripe with Lisa. She says these things as if we're supposed to be impressed.
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Wow. So do we think it was real? It definitely wasn't rigged.
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You know, I feel like I never left the house without getting makeup done. You know, and I'm always like in these moments, it makes me like her the least I've ever liked her. Like the out of touch.
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Yeah, it's not a flex at all.
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Yeah, if you're so rich about flying coach, you don't complain about flying coach. You just don't fly coach, and you figure it out.
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I mean, she has connections to the DJ. She would take it to Wendy's.
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That's what I was saying. In fact, closer than most economy seats.
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It seemed like Mike really didn't go Mike Tyson. Yeah. Even a little bit.
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All Lisa is about her entire existence is to see what she's able to get other people to do for her. She just wants to see what kind of bullshit she can throw and see who she can get to comply. Number one complier, her husband, John, like Mr. Compliance. He's there, he will like, all right, here we go. Heather, she's right in there in the compliance department.
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She's just like, Lisa, were you cool in high school? Great, I need to be your friend. Doesn't matter how you treat people, whatever.
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You are not going to fly to... In her ITM, she would have talked some shit behind Lisa's back, but to Lisa right there, she wouldn't have said anything.
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Lisa just wants to see what she can get people to do.
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Yeah, Heather's with Meredith. I feel like that's the producers separating Heather and Lisa because you'll get a more honest Heather if she's not with Lisa.
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Oh, we get all those answers tomorrow. We address a lot of her and Todd's relationship. In fact, most of the relationship. Most of the conversation is about it. That relationship and some of the fire or controversy or criticism that she has found herself in with her husband.
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Is Todd the Todd father?
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Yeah, on Going Deeper. All right, Real Housewives of the Sea, Alexis makes her entrance. She did.
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No, no, no. Not only is she not religious, she finds that word to be, what's the phrase? She went from being in a marriage where it was God, children.
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God, spouse, children.
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to finding the word religion to be a negative connotation it was like non-sac religious really i think she she said it had a negative connotation i think she said the word religion religion i mean i kind of get it though i mean i kind of get it yeah but i get it when she's saying like i'm spiritual but believe in god i was gonna say this is the same woman that was like so offended by jesus jugs and now she's like wearing it with pride
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Which part are we talking about? I don't know.
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That's crazy. I'm done watching Jake Paul fight not boxers in their prime. Yeah.
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I'm just like, yeah, I'm just imagining Heather who's been like one of the OGs of the show and new girl comes in and plants this bullshit paparazzi story. And yeah, is it petty? Sure. But yeah, I could just imagine Heather being like, who the fuck is this person? What the fuck are they starting this shit?
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And then she kind of, which kind of makes Heather's apology make more sense because I do think Heather even agrees that it probably went a little too far. But she was like, this motherfucker is just like coming for me. I don't know why. And then Emily seems to like find this story and kind of tells Heather about it. Heather seemed to know more about this story. I mean, I'm sorry.
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I watched that and he lost.
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Yeah.
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Emily knew more about the story than Heather.
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She was like, that's not what the police said. Emily was filling in the gaps, though. She was clarifying the legalities of it. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like Emily told Heather about it.
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Katie laughed about it. I'm convinced that when Katie first saw that her daughter's TikTok, she laughed.
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And if you want to continue to have moments on this show, you need to not act this way and behave this way. I need you to delete it. I need you to blah, blah, blah. Whatever she needs her to do. She has some kind of authority over her daughter if she wants it. Now, maybe she's never invoked that authority. Maybe her daughter walks all over her. Maybe she, you know, I don't know.
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But I didn't believe Katie in that moment at all.
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Someone who's actually boxing. Yeah. Not someone who's decided to box for... Just a fighter. Just to fight Jake Paul. Yeah. I agree. The commentators were the worst. So, basically, he's a loser.
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yeah well even there's the clip of her son also going in on how mean heather is so i'm like clearly you're having these conversations do we think katie's daughter is trying to get on that like nepo baby bravo show with brooks well they already filmed it so they did season two just saying or or whether she's trying to get on the show or not maybe she is just very much trying there are plenty i mean let's not forget that uh bella and gg at were originally just kids of a housewife yeah
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I watched her first photo shoot.
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Of, like, Keeping Up with the Kardashians. So, you know, whether it's trying to get on the show or not, she might be trying to use this platform to, you know, bring awareness to herself.
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I will once again say Alexis and John, Natalie might disagree with me, but if you're listening and you're out there, please come and share your truth. If you're so convinced it's true. I do want to talk to them too. I don't think they're going to have anything relevant to say either, but I'd love the opportunity to ask follow-up questions.
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Jake Paul's all-in-one. Yeah. That's all I'm hearing. I agree. He's all-in-one. Yeah. And he takes advantage of... Of people that are not in his... Yeah. My favorite thing over the weekend was, like, the new announcements of Jake Paul's next fight. Oh. And it was...
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Shannon was arguing semantics the whole time. Shannon or Alexis? I'm sorry. Alexis was arguing semantics the whole time. The whole, like, well, you know, when Shannon's smoking gun, which was the text messages of clearly Alexis, like, including herself in the potential lawsuit with her original husband...
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It's all just nutty and she's never...
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yeah shannon should definitely pull whatever card she has i mean she made it pretty clear when she was here she refuses to film with alexis so if she has to film with tamra they can at least and there's being in negotiations and saying i'm not gonna do this and bravo saying you know it's a game of chicken and bravo could be like well then don't come i saw something i'll boycott the network if i don't get shannon back for another season oh
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No, you're right. It's easier to say on a podcast... There's always a price to everything. Yeah, when someone's throwing money at you or suggesting they're going to take it away.
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And then they estimate it based off of season.
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But, I mean, again, you know, you hear that they get incentivized for drama, and they have some sort of bonus structure. You know, say, what about Tamara? She is very... Again, she's there to work. Even when they were calling her out this episode, you go even lower, and Tamara's like, yeah, I kind of do. To me, that kind of felt like Tamara's like, yeah, I'm always willing to do what they ask.
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We watched that. Did you? We did watch that. Well, anytime Mike Tyson was on, it was really good. Then it would cut to like Jake Paul and it was like an SNL skit. It honestly is.
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work for everybody. It depends on kind of how you approach it.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes people get a therapist just to get someone to agree with them. Yeah. You know, there's that, you know, and depending on who their therapist is.
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Oh, she already... Okay.
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Are we just on the let's just kind of wait and see when it comes to Jen at this point? You know, Jen is whatever at this point, tripling, quadrupling down on her, on Ryan. And I think this episode she said, I don't think he did anything wrong a couple of times. And so at this point, we just have to.
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And that might be true since he, again, is getting immunity. And maybe that's true.
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Yeah, yeah. But what Jen has... At this point, you just have to respect that this is the relationship that Jenna wants to be in. Her friends, even, you know, this was like a mini intervention where even Heather was like, listen, we just care about you. We don't want to see you get fucked over.
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You know, that seemed like a very sincere moment when Heather was just like, you know, all of us, whether it feels like we're coming at you or not or whatever, but in all seriousness, we're worried.
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And do we know much about her original marriage? I don't, but do you know? And how he didn't support her?
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He is very upset about how she speaks on... I mean...
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But I respect that.
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Well, it seems I would be willing to guess he knows what he's doing, and he's doing it just to make her life difficult, and he's dragging it along. That's why I said she's probably in survival right now. It is just tough to get on her side, given whose side she's on.
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It was Mike Tyson talking about living in extreme poverty and literally surviving in, I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say, war-like conditions. Incredibly extraordinary extreme poverty where he was living in filth around people taking drugs. Cut to Jake Paul.
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Well, it's time to wrap up. Thank you guys for listening. Don't forget, tomorrow we have an explosive episode of Going Deeper with your favorite new housewife, Rowan Newport. Be sure to check that out. You will not want to miss this episode.
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Also on Thursday's episode of Reality Recap, we have the hilarious comedian Adam Ray is with us, plus Candy Muse, one of your favorite drag queens from RuPaul's Drag Race. She is also on House of villains this season. We'll be having her on as well. All that and so much more. We'll see you then. Bye-bye.
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Trying to exercise the demons of the Disney trolls as he is trying to go from Disney creator to boxer in the mental struggle that is that.
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This Vibes or Stats segment of the Vibes is brought to you by Wonderful Pistachios. Well, we went one-on-one again this week. The good old Vibes team won with the Saints. The Saints were triumphant over the Cleveland Browns.
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Getting your groove back. Coming for the title. Unfortunately, the Seahawks did beat the Niners. Ricky Pearsall could not overcome the Seahawks.
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Well, she... Why are you mad at Gypsy for taking away the thunder from us? Say it with your chest, Natalie. No, I'm not mad.
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Yes, exactly. We're thinking. She was thinking of Aurora. And now she's like, we're going to name our baby Aurora. Aurora.
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Roar. He was like, Roar. R-O-A-R. Like a tiger. Aurora? Aurora? Aurora? Aurora? Nick Struggles.
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I'm sorry.
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Yeah, they look super soft.
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I have a gig. Nick has a gig. He's booked and busy.
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I am, yeah. I get to, I hope I get to meet Stephen Baldwin. I think he's going to be there. Oh, okay.
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
Have they released the cast? Have they released the cast of Special Forces?
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
Stephen Baldwin is on the new season of Special Forces. It's pretty sick. You guys, if you're sleeping on Special Forces, you guys need to watch it. It's a great show. Special Forces is a great show.
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
Yeah. Oh, okay. No, season three, episode one I've seen.
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
All I want to say is you need to watch it. It's really good. Stephen Baldwin's very entertaining. Denise Richards. She's on it. Yes. When I'm watching.
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
It's a good cast. You have Brody Jenner.
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
Brody Jenner and Stephen Baldwin are both kind of like, are we Kardashians?
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
Are we related? Trying to figure it out. They're like, they're so, they're cart-dassing adjacent. Yeah, that is funny. They're like connected but also exiled.
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
Honestly, when it comes to like what matters most.
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
She's the original Bachelorette. Allie Fedotowski is also on it for all the Bachelor fans. Who else is on the cast since we're just naming the cast? Jordan Weber. Golden Tate. Golden Tate, football player. Golden Tate, okay.
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
Marion Jones.
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
Motorbike guy. Oh, sick.
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E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC
alana blanchard and stephen baldwin star nathan adrian they got some athletes movie actor as he describes himself what did you watch all that i just watched the first one okay and the first episode is giving like better than real housewives of new york whoa well that's not much to compare it to well it's just like the whole i was i watched it twice no three times three times i've watched it three times and thoroughly entertained by steven oh okay oh i'm hyped
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Okay, you guys, for everyone who wants to know, are you DTF? Down to farm, that is? That's right. Farmer Wants a Wife is back on Fox with four hot new farmers looking for the love of their lives. But are these ladies ready to take on the farm life? And you know dating one woman has its challenges, but juggling five, these farmers are going to have their hands full.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
It didn't feel like he ever really meant it. Do you think he did? I think he did.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
He said it with eye contact.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
After that silent yoga. I think next week someone's going to be real pissed.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
It's definitely Juliana. Well, I mean, we don't know if it's definitely Juliana. I definitely think it's Juliana. And I definitely think Latia is going to be pissed. The question is, will Latia be messy? Will she come out at AFR and be like, what's all that love talk? I mean, she's not going to be messy.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I think they got fired.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Yeah. She knows she's going to win. Yeah. Yeah. Zoe. Wow. What a run.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Yeah. I don't think they were like, oh, there's some rumors going on about us. You know what? Let's, for the good of this show, let's- Let's step away. Let's step away. I think, you know, it's been fascinating as someone, I, like, Bennett was kind of like the last, I know, I think, to my knowledge, I know two people who still are working.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
She was set up, you're right.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Well, coming up shortly, we have Crystal Minkoff and Cynthia Bailey of the hit show Humble Brag joining us momentarily to talk a little Housewives of Atlanta, just a little Bravo gossip, what's going on in their lives. And then after that, we also have Dasha joining us.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
From that hit song and many more, she's also a big fan of White Lotus, we've heard. Does a little pop culture. So we'll see what Dasha has to say coming up shortly as well. Any final thoughts on Bachelor before we move on to Crystal and Cynthia?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I'm Team Latia, but I'm... Team TT. TT. But no disrespect to Jules, but I think he's going to pick Jules.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I don't think we're not Team Jules.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I'm a fan of Latia's.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Yeah, and I think she's a runner-up.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
And I think she got played. Oh, I think the producers played her. I think Grant was very much a listen. Like, it's not Grant's fault. He's he doesn't know about this world. And he's going into this world with a level of like, hey, you know, I'm going to trust you guys.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I'm curious.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
That's not, but if he's faking that, if that's all bullshit, that's not his fault. That's the producer's fault. That's Claire Bennett's fault. I mean, it's, I mean, Listen, I just don't expect... Yeah, again, there's no gun to anyone's head and no one's making you say anything, but in that world, he just doesn't know better. Of all the leads before him, people who... Grant wasn't in the top four.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Either it was Hannah Brown, so it's not like it hasn't happened before, but people who don't make it to the top four have a very...
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
limited experience and very different experience about like the final stages of the season and so if you make it the top four and then you become the lead you are far more prepared than people who don't you know you just like there's just it's like a whole different version of filming with the stakes being elevated and that much higher and for grant having not had experience that he's really going in this whole phase of the show incredibly blind and very much trusting these people
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Yeah, I know. I'm including Bennett in that, but I don't know.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
so like and i've heard from previous producers that they always thought bear that claire and bennett there uh were very scripted very staged very much they kind of decided like the beats of the show and kind of just kind of told leads exactly what to do and say and didn't really give them much wiggle room i heard that don't know if there'd be pushback from claire and bennett on that opinion but that is what i heard but if that's true i give grant a lot of grace
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
But if he's saying I love you to Letia... And what if, what if Latia, like what the runner up, what if the runner up they've positioned this whole season is like, he doesn't know morning of, he doesn't know. They make it seem like not even make it seem they have Jesse Palmer come out in this preview and act as if like they are about to bring the two. It's proposal. It's ready to go.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
It's proposal time, whatever time of the day they have the proposal set. It is time. And he still doesn't know. Yeah. And he needs to let Jesse know of all people. And there's no way that's true. There is no way that's true. Just knowing how the show is done, there is no way they woke up that morning and they were like, who are you going to pick? And Grant was like, I have no idea.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
And if they really didn't know, if Grant really didn't know the last person they would bring in is Jesse Palmer, because like, what is, and again, love Jesse greatest job for what they asked the bachelor host to do, but it's very different than what they asked the temptation Island host to do in terms of like actually giving advice.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I've never seen Jesse do anything other than pat them on the back and go, all right, well, good luck. Um, So for Grant to say that he knew on this show, that means that Claire and Bennett basically forced Grant into pretending that morning he didn't know, which means that they might have forced Grant into saying a lot of shit to their runner up that he didn't believe or was true.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
It seems like, so when Mike Fleiss left the show, there was a big, I think we talked about this, this big kind of shakeup. And Mike Fleiss is, you know, for those who don't know the creator of the show, he's been like living on an island in literally Hawaii. When he felt like kind of sticking his nose in it, he would like tell people what to do. And then sometimes he would take a hiatus.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
And it will be very curious how Grant handles that. And it'll be I'll be curious to see if the you know, if I'm if I'm the runner up, I don't give a fuck. I wouldn't offer a grant any grace. I mean, despite me offering him grace because I'm not personally involved on the runner up, I'd be like, fuck that guy.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Can't wait. Well, up next, Crystal and Cynthia.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
We love the convenience of three day blinds. Looks great in our house. And it was even better not having to go anywhere to get them.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
We can shop for almost anything at home. Why not shop for blinds at home, too? 3 Day Blinds has local professional trained design consultants who have an average of 10 plus years of experience that provide expert guidance on the right blinds for you in the comfort of your home. Just set up an appointment and you'll get a free no-obligation quote the same day.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
It was kind of very, no one really knew what was going on. Anyways, and so when he stepped out or got pushed out or whatever, they're still like, people think he's still very much involved, but there was a big shakeup and they brought in this Claire person from Bachelor Canada, brought her down. And then a lot of people who were kind of running things were let go.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
All right. Ready?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Crystal, Cynthia, hi, welcome back. Hi. How are you?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Well, you should.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
How does one get invited to a personal yacht?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
You're a good guest.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
You're easy to be around.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
This is your, you know, it's your boat.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Were you by yourself?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Bennett was like the lone survivor of like the OG group. And a lot of people had hurt feelings about, you know, how that all went down. And I think a lot of people felt like
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
When rich girls get together, do they bring man candy?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I don't know.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
bennett left them kind of hanging so to speak mixed feelings you know i mean it can go both ways uh business is business but like a lot i think a lot of people uh were upset with i got i think bennett you know because he was kind of the last man standing and this claire person came in from bachelor canada and those two kind of seemingly took over they kind of got in locks up with each other and it and again these are all just rumors or just you know opinions from people who have worked on the show and things that i've heard but it seems like a lot of people they all kind of blame claire
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
This episode came out yesterday.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Did you know that she was coming in here with some stuff to unpack? Well, it didn't surprise me.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
What did she say you did wrong?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Give me the short version. Oh, my God.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Who needs a new stylist?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
That's what offended Chanel.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Her being the most obnoxious?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
So what does Chanel have thought about?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I've been called annoying before.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
She has a big personality. People who have big personalities sometimes can be annoying.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
She doesn't bat a thousand, you know? She says some shit. Lots of times it lands. It's pretty funny.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
You know? It's not that bad. Might not be for everybody. No, she doesn't bat a thousand.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
That's what she's all upset about? Why are you catching heat in the comments?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I don't forget when she started. She worked on Joey's season for sure. There was another person. His name was Jason. And it was Jason, Bennett and Claire kind of running things. And then Jason got pushed out by Claire and Bennett. Allegedly. And somehow, some way, Jason got let go.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Oh, my God. This is what it's like filming this show. Go check it out now.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
How?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
you know whatever i people services like you pay them sometimes the good people in the service industry your stylist your makeup artist your hairdressers every once in a while they are a little dramatic sometimes so i will say i watched a little gossipy yeah i watched his whole nine minute thing and he did admit though that it was actually paid there was a misunderstanding
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Don't miss the all-new season of Farmer Wants a Wife Thursday on Fox. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick, and everyone is fired at The Bachelor. I don't even know who's running that show anymore.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
He gave the people a good context.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I heard that, you know, they kind of pushed him out. But again, this is all speculation. This is all rumors.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Well, I know what I'm sharing are opinions from people. But like, yeah, this is what I've heard from people like in it. So, yeah, it's kind of it's kind of fascinating.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
She's moving things around. My biggest shocker was when her stylist showed the receipts and he kind of went through all the various jobs. But she gets glam for everything.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
It's like we can't put it up in a bun and wear a chunky sweater.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
If your photo's taken all the time. Stop it.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I wouldn't do it. Straight dumb male here. Is there a difference between doing your makeup and doing your glam?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
And you look. Thank you.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Can she afford it?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I'm not going to do it. Like, I'll do my own when I can.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I don't know if she's being mean, but I think a lot of people don't appreciate, I guess. I don't know.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
If you are taking days.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
But his last time you spoke, I went to read it through.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Do you hate her?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
That would be weird if someone was two days late. Yeah. It sounded like this went on for a while.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I keep DMing Doreen to come on the show and she keeps reading it and she keeps not responding.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Jeff's blocked? I'm not blocked. Jeff's blocked. I'm not blocked.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I'm like, okay. I promise you a good time. It is a good time. I mean, the podcast.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Like a safe, good time. It's a safe space. I love that. It's a safe space. I promise her a safe space.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
She keeps reading it. But I don't think it's her. You don't think she's checking your DMs?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Good for her.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Where do you, who are you talking to these days of the cast?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Sutton?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
How's she doing?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
No.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
i'm fairly new to it i've seen episodes here and there but i'm i'm just starting to get into it okay so are you caught up with where with season i'm caught up but i'm not like i'm caught up but i'm not like quite following yet but you don't know a lot of history you know learning the ex-husbands he needs he needs like the the family tree absolutely obsessed that that charles oakley
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Did not know that. Huge basketball fan of the 90s. Oh, yes. He dominated, so thought that was pretty cool. I was like, who is this silver fox coming into the scene?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
That was pretty cool. I was very excited about that. What can we expect this season?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Well, I mean, there's a difference between like raising, you know, I don't know. I think, um, I honestly don't know what to think. I think there are a lot of hurt feelings by what happened a couple of years ago. You know, I think a lot, you know, the, the, the gen finale, I think they caught a lot of heat for that. That was Claire and Bennett, you know, whose idea was a clear, was it Bennett?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
So why even bother reaching out?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I don't know what she's going to say, but I think the best response would be, I honestly don't care. That is not the best response. Oh, my God. It absolutely is the best response.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
And then what's the part that made the cut?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Is that true?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I said fib because I thought it was softer. The part that made the cut, still true, correct?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Okay, so then what's the problem?
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And what's the big, because I know this was happening in the off season, but the revenge porn situation. Oh, God.
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Are you not even allowed?
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It's still part of the season. Will that be part of the season?
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Okay. Yes. Okay.
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I don't know. They caught a lot of heat for that. They made a lot of decisions. And what I've heard is they kind of just left a lot of people out and they kind of siloed themselves. Anyways, it just seems like there was a lot of toxicity, a lot of bad feelings, a lot of people, you know, feeling like they were getting pushed out. Just what was described to me as very Game of Thrones over there.
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That was a gentle way of saying it.
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That was a gentle way of saying it. I'm sorry, is this not a Bravo like podcast where we talk about tea and rumors? Oh my God.
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Revenge porn all over a party.
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Are we supposed to be gentle with that? I mean, it's your friend. I'm just saying it.
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No Kenya smoke.
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Do you ever bring the smoke or are you smoke free?
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Well, you're the most probably thoughtful and delicate. And so when you do say something, it like it feels like less reactive and more like thought through.
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You worried about Drew today?
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What if I come to your defense in the comments?
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What if I go to war with you?
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I was like, oh, shit.
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I was just drinking my coffee this morning, and I saw this weirdest thing.
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Well, that will be interesting because, again, it's very much like, you know, the Bachelor franchise is run by Warner Brothers. Right. And there's been a lot of mix up there. But it's also like ABC is the distributor, ABC slash Hulu slash Disney, ultimately Disney. And I don't really know how they decide all those things.
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What do you guys think, last time before we let you ladies go, but what do you guys think about housewives fake quitting or walking off or suggesting they're quitting? Are either of you familiar with the internal drama? Are you talking about Tamara? No, well, no, that's a little different because obviously Teddy, with what Teddy's going through, our hearts go out to her.
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Talking about Salt Lake City.
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Lisa Barlow is...
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We don't know. Couldn't know. But I guess my question to you is like, how performative do you feel like these walkouts or these cryptic posts of like, oh, I'm finally done here. Like, do you think it's real? I mean, or do you think it's performative?
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I feel like with Tamara, I mean, obviously, given what's going on with Teddy, Teddy's fighting for her life. Our hearts go out to her. I couldn't imagine being in Tamara's shoes. I know Tamara's obviously been very, you know, various seasons been messy.
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But like when your co-host is literally fighting for her life and you're filming Housewives, it just kind of it feels also unnecessary and unserious.
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Have you ever had to search for a quote to post it?
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What was the quote that Meredith put up, Justin?
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But like there's a lot of say that ABC has, even though they're not the ones that produce it. Right. So I think that's always kind of been their challenge about like. There's always been a lot of fighting for, like, who has the right to do what between ABC and Warner Brothers. So it'll be interesting to see, will ABC maybe get more pull with the shakeup or not? I don't know, but...
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That's in response to Lisa fake quitting.
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Whitney. So Whitney was basically like, don't second guess yourself. Like, keep on walking. Keep on leaving.
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Now, I feel like that's actually shade towards Lisa. We don't know. If I'm reading between the lines with Meredith, I feel like you do.
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Do they have to quote Robert Frost?
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That quote almost from Meredith is, I feel like it seems to be directed at Lisa because it's kind of like, don't walk in front of me. I'm not a follower. I'm not going to go behind you or in front of you. Let's do this together. And Lisa's been her friend. And now it's like, is Lisa not negotiating a good fate?
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But that's giving jump the shark. I don't need you to fake
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You don't even have to come back. But there's no producers being like, you should start. If you feel so compelled to walk off.
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That's never, it's never.
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So it's like you walk off. I swear to God, if next season we're still talking about her and Mo's separation, I'm going to lose it.
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Because they'll never. Are they not getting divorced because of money?
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But just say that then. Be like, hey, we're together for the money.
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Now it's not traumatic. Now it's just like, oh, we're pretending to do this again.
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No, because they don't have chemistry on screen. And it's like, oh, you know. Yeah.
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I hope so, too. I hope this is an opportunity, but I don't know if they will.
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Well, it's always great catching up with you two. Excited to hear what's going on. And I'm going to check out that Humble Brag episode.
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Well, check out Humblebrag, everyone, if you haven't already. It's a doozy of an episode. They're all incredible episodes and it's available wherever you get your podcasts. So check it out.
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Well, excited to watch more Atlanta Housewives. According to Cynthia, they're less passive-aggressive.
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I feel like Phaedra's not really been like... She comes in later.
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Well, what did he do?
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Does she want to come on here and elaborate?
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Oh, my God.
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T. T. All right. Up next, Dasha talking about her hit music, her lipstick controversy, and a little White Lotus love.
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I always thought it was interesting that Claire, this Claire person, got hired because she got hired right after she basically destroyed Bachelor in Paradise Canada. Like it no longer exists.
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Dasha, welcome to the show.
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How are you?
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Are we pretty good?
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Well, does it exist anymore? How did that happen? I don't think so. I don't know. Well, I don't know. I've never really seen it or watched it or followed it, but I don't know if there's a story. I just know that it no longer exists.
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It is St. Patrick's Day. She's wearing green. I'm wearing green. Natalie.
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I got this shirt yesterday. I wasn't planning on wearing it. Then I put on a darker shirt. It was like a mossy green.
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And then we got some butter on it this morning.
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I was having eggs and then I was giving my daughter some of my eggs. Then there was a piece of butter on the plate that kind of looked like eggs. Picked that up, gave it to my daughter. I was like, oop, can't do that. My bad.
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Then she spit it out and then spit it on my shirt. Got some butter on the shirt. And then I'm like, well, it is St. Patrick's Day.
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It says here where Dylan Efron lived.
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Did you know Dylan Efron growing up? He went to school.
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Hi, Dylan.
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So it's like she has a trail of coming in and being like, oh, let's just get rid of Bachelorette. Let's just get rid of Bachelorette.
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when you had a roommate, did you label your food or did you?
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If you're going to have a roommate, you have to, yeah, I think you need some flex. And if you're, you're not meant to ever have a roommate if you label your food.
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Also, why? Now you want to label your food?
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Why would you want to label your food?
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Certified.
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My bad. Certified fresh?
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It's called Bachelor Pad, you mean?
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Not unless it's pasta.
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Oh my god, absolutely. I'm an absolute food snob.
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Speaking of roommates, I once had a roommate eat six week old spaghetti.
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A meat sauce.
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He was a heavy drinker and didn't notice.
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So what's new with you? What's going on with your life?
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Are you performing?
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We are planning on, are we still planning on going?
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Of Stagecoach.
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No, she's talking about Bachelor Pet, which came out before Bachelor in Paradise. It was their original spinoff. Some say before their time, before like competition reality shows from like bringing back old cast members and doing silly games and things like that. Like a lot of people thought it was great for whatever reason. This was years ago.
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How crazy are you willing to be?
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Do you ever get nervous performing live?
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Sure, sure. Do you feel more at home, in studio, just hitting those notes?
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a lot of this is years ago i never watched it either but i was familiar with it and then they canceled it and then that's when they took like a couple year break and that's how bachelor in paradise started because they were like looking for a different spinoff and again like maybe it was this before time this was before like you know obviously traders came out and the success of that and all these like competition shows where they brought like you know like they have love island all-stars you know and things like that you know and never it didn't work back then and seems to work now so i don't know it says 2010 three seasons yeah
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Oh, my God. That'll fuck you up.
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You were the hopeful person. So ready.
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You said it, not me.
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Yeah, that's exactly what happened.
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So you'll make toxic decisions because it might inspire you to write great songs.
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Is that where we interviewed?
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I even knew that.
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After you're done with your performance as stagecoach, are you going to enjoy the festival at all?
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Yeah, I don't know.
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So you will immerse yourself with the festival.
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There was a big scene where this guy, his name was Nick. And like he, it was like, if you both agree to keep it, uh, you split it. And if one person agrees to keep it and the other person, if some person says like, keep it. And the other person says, share it. The person who keeps it gets it.
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Yeah.
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Oh, absolutely.
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And this guy named Nick's took it, uh, and, and was very much hated, but he took like $250,000 and left the girl hanging. Left the girl hanging.
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But did you see anyone dressed up as you?
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Yeah. That's actually a good Halloween costume. Wait.
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Would you be flattered or offended?
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I don't think it's that bad.
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Honestly, kind of cool.
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Absolutely. Okay.
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It was a big deal. Yeah. It was the opposite of the four Traitors coming together.
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I mean, you're a rock star. Yeah.
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Who was breaking up last night?
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It is what Brittany would have done.
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Oh my God.
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Well, he's clearly picking... Juliana.
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And he slid in like Tom Cruise in Risky Business, you know, like with just socks on like that.
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That would, yeah.
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Risky Business? Yeah. Sorry, before your y'all's time. Yeah, for sure. She's an artist, so she might have seen it.
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She watches films.
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Speaking of watching, what are you watching these days?
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Boy cried. She gave a very vocal Fry version of trauma.
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You did? You're caught up?
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And? Have you watched the first two seasons? Yes.
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Yeah, and I'm... More uncomfortable than Sam Rockwell's long monologue about how he's fucking himself.
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Nobody. We got after the final rose next week, and I don't know who's in charge.
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I mean, yeah, sure. She seems lovely. She seems nice.
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I don't think he's going to Do you know who Sam Rockwell's wife is in real life?
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It is the woman who's the actress in White Lotus who's playing the short blonde who is from Austin, Texas.
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Wait, that's so fun. They're married in real life. They met filming, I believe, Iron Man 2.
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It's just a very long-winded way of being like, yeah, I mean, my ex cheated on me.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
That was so fucked. Something I would have done in my earlier days. Really?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
And that's so fucked. But yeah, when you're single, girl or guy, when you're single and you're all, well, her character's not single, though that makes it a little shady.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
But if you are all single, then yeah, it's kind of all fair and love and war. You're all kind of like, part of it is like,
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
You're making eye contact with random women at a bar who you think want your guy or the guy that you're getting with. You'll lock eyes and give them the old like you wish you had this.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Sarah, have you ever done that?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
And again, it's a tough situation for sure. But then Grant just crying. I was like, is it hot there? Is it sweating? How moist? But then fast forward to the dates with the Tia. He was dry as fuck.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
The missing gun.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
He's going to find out his dad has no money.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
And he's on drugs. And I messed it up.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
No.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Well, maybe. He needs to die at this point. There might be more than one dead person.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
He's misunderstood.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Jennifer Coolidge, what do you mean? Maybe she just got on his nerves. I don't know.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Do you watch reality TV at all?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
The last season.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Really? Mm-hmm. How'd you meet Rob before he was Rob?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Really?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
You're still best friends? Yes. Okay. She's my best friend in the entire world. And what was that experience like watching her little brother become... Big brother? America's heartthrob.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Do they do that?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
They call. Yeah. Yeah.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Literally. And then one gentleman had a threesome with two randos and was like, I don't regret this shit.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Almost verbatim, he said. He basically wanted to check that box off his list. It was Breon. Breon, yes. The man on the left.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
but i was watching that i never watched it too hot to handle but it was good you should watch temptation island it's on netflix now is it netflix yeah it's on netflix now awesome yeah that one part was it was when ashley went into the uh the hut with uh was it dan oh yeah they put uh i would i would actually i wouldn't be able to further on anymore but they put like a um like a tent
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Yeah, not your husband. Huh? Oh, my God.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
They're already broken up. We're not even done with the show.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
No, and then, but Taylor goes, I want this to not feel like cheating. Like, after he took a shower and...
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
had sex with some chick oh grant grant yeah yeah yeah when you hooked up with uh what her name was natalie natalie yeah when he's sitting playing the guitar oh that motherfucker singing about cheating i know i made a mistake i know what i've done first of all first of all out of the barbie movie thank you for reminding me that though this motherfucker brought a guitar ew
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
You might have to have experienced IBS.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
to temptation island that's like bringing a puppy that's like yeah being like you know what i'm saying like even if you're a an actual musician if you if you went on temptation island dasha and you brought a guitar i've been like she wants to fuck like she is there okay i would do because i'd sauce that shit up but if somebody was bad did it i'd be like get that away for better good but if you bring a guitar as like a prop to like some sort of dating situation you're you're
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Like you're not.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
For sure. He's just like, this was like, he brought the guitar. He knows what he's doing. Yeah. Like he brought, he brought a basically a sex toy.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
That's like bringing a vibrator to a date.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
In what situation?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Have you ever had someone who is an artist try to sing to you and be like, not like, let me demo this shit for you, but you're hanging out. It's a date. We're not working. Like offline.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Does it show up your lady penis?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
You actually listen. You don't just say stop.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Or I'm in the fantasy suite and I got bubble butt.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Say what you want. I mean, now you're a star. They felt right. Using that name. They kind of killed it. Got it right.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Yeah, Grant's in charge. Amongst the most recent, what, Deadline did an article a couple weeks ago talking about the toxic workplace environment over at the, I don't even know what you call it, because Warner Brothers produces the show, but Warner Brothers, it's produced by Next Media, which was the company I think originally owned or started by Mike Fleiss, I think.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
all right dasha yeah well this has been so much fun thanks for having me uh can you please plug away obviously so many people know and where to get your music and all that fun stuff but anything you want you where can people like find you on tour tour well guys i'm on tour right now with kane brown going out with thomas rett next that's kind of a big deal great i love thomas you're really you're really there i'm doing it it's so weird because last year i was not doing it like it's crazy
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Or the song.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Well, she's fun.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
What's the actual lyrics?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
First of all, if she listed her house for sale, people should stop putting that online.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
It is interesting.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Like 2 a.m.?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Don't come?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Well, Shep's not moving. You see how he decorates his house?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
In defense of Shep, though, you really need a lady in your life.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Molly.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Yeah.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Yeah. He needs Molly.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
But before I met Natalie, I can't say that I was much better.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
It was you and friends. It was definitely the peel and stick.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Put it this way. This is the first time you're going to be alone with anyone in this environment. So, like, you know, whatever your body is feeling, you're probably fairly in tuned, you know. But there might be like just like, you know, like now's the time.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
That was a hand-me-down from my broken relationship with Vanessa.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I got in the divorce.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
It was my art room.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I respect that. I made art. I respect that.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I mean, oil paints. Oh, of course.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Well, I haven't done a lot of, well, I mean, maybe acrylics. Ceramics? Yeah, maybe acrylics. Watercolors, I might dabble.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
You're also downplaying oil paints.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
You're downplaying. Well, first of all, I have painted.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Just quit.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
It wasn't much different than what he was accused of saying.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Whatever comment he did or didn't make that may or may not have been ignorant and inappropriate and insensitive. But just the fact that he has this girlfriend and we watched him lean into this storyline with Vanita all season long and then play her the way he's played her and then have his actual girlfriend, whoever this person is, like talk shit about Vanita.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
When clearly she's hearing from JT about what that relationship status is. And obviously he's downplaying it to her while upplaying it to us, which is interesting that we haven't heard from her at all, because like you would think he's clearly obvious. Obviously, he must be blaming producers in the show.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
And, you know, when it comes to her and I'm assuming they're still together, are they or, you know, she must be believing it.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
It's tough to watch Paige and Craig now. And she's rolling her eyes at them. I think they say like the, I mean, they're broken up now. So, you know, we have the answer, but like, there's no, no better sign of a broken relationship when people are rolling their eyes at each other.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I don't know. I do not want to watch Paige come to town and sit them, watch and not talk.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
He's trying to move this relationship forward. He's trying to like, hey, I got this house. I got this backyard. He's got a great backyard, by the way. Yeah, he does. Well done, Craig. Very nicely done. But yeah, like he wants to, I mean, literally settle down and she doesn't, you know, and it's...
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I mean, listen, everyone's different, you know, like Nellie and I really didn't talk about it, you know, when we when Nellie got pregnant with River, you know, but boy, we haven't slowed down, you know, like. And we're very lucky and very privileged to be able to get help. We have a lot of family members who can help with childcare and things like that.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
But, like, we have definitely not slowed down. Yeah. And so it's just interesting hearing this conversation and hearing Paige's perspective as if, like, she definitely has it in her mind. And it is obviously for a lot of people that if like a life with Craig and if they decided to have kids together, you know, like there's a lot of sacrifices to be made.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
No question when it comes to being a parent, but like it doesn't necessarily mean that your life has to end or your life has to slow down or you can't have a career. I mean, Natalie and I have never been more busy with our careers and we're very much like growing a family.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Listen, every situation is different. You know, we're not here to tell people like, you know, having kids are super easy. And our situation obviously is different than anyone else listening. But yeah, to Natalie's point, like we love being parents and we bring liver along as much as we can. We she comes into our liver.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
we bring River I can't we include River into our life as much as we can we bring her around and yeah she like assimilates into our life and the difference between our life before and our life now is when we're not working and we're not having a crazy life or doing some cool thing or we're not like you know like all the other shit is just like replaced by more meaningful shit like the shit we were just like I don't know what do you want to do you know
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
when we were just like chilling, like we replace it with just like meaningful moment after meaningful moment.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
And it's kind of, yeah, just to that point, it's just weird because like you just, especially for them. I mean, I don't know their situation, but like there's a lot of busy, successful parents out there.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Well, that's an interesting question. Like, if, you know, again, they're broken up now, so it almost seems weird talking about it. But, like, would Craig... be a stay-at-home dad? Would he marry a woman who was maybe more advanced in her career than his and more the breadwinner?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
They have used overnights. I don't know if there's a rebrand there.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
And if, let's say, Paige and Craig worked out and her career keeps being elevated, she keeps getting busier and busier, she's booked and busy, Craig is fine. But compared to Paige, she seems to be on a higher trajectory. Would he be, you know, daddy daycare and what do you stay home? What do you, what do you, you know, what do you do that?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I don't, I don't know, but like it would require maybe something like that, you know, as you know, you got to figure it out as a family, as, as parents and you adapt to whatever situation comes up. So maybe if you have two people who are like, no, I need to be, you know,
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Also, like, yeah, listen, I know maybe it's part of Paige's like bit or whatever, but But like dating someone who like constantly like talks down to men would probably bother me after a while. Like, cause Paige talks down about men to men and even a little bit to Craig where it's just like, I don't know, like maybe that's like her bit. I don't know. Maybe that's her vibe.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
That's kind of her persona, but like, I don't know. It would kind of.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Would this be a dating red flag for you? Because I thought it was a huge red flag from Paige. Like, honestly, maybe Paige is right. Like, maybe Paige's mom, as far as Paige is concerned, has never been wrong.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
But if I'm dating someone and Paige delivered that line to me the way Paige delivered it to Craig, implying that, like, if and when we get married and have kids, that, like, her mom will be a more trusted, like, source than her own partner, I would be like, absolutely not.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Like for for Paige to imply that her mom would never be wrong going forward and that she would go to her mom first before she went to her partner. I don't want to marry that person. Well, I want nothing to do with her.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
you know, to page about it. Like, that's not what happened. This was like a general conversation, just talking about like on a high level and pages talking about her mom's never been wrong. So she, this will always be the person she kind of goes to first.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
And there is a lot of people who have that type of relationship with their parent, where it's very much mom and dad are very still playing the role of mom and dad, even though, you know, that person isn't an adult, you know?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I don't think he's looking for that. I think he accepted that because he realized after they were dating, like that's who she was. And I think next relationship Craig enters in, he'll make sure that that's not, I think that's something he put up with rather than enjoyed. And I do, I definitely in general think it's a huge red flag.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
How involved is your grandma in your relationship, in your relationship with Connor?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Of course. Sure. And like Natalie has her support system, obviously people she goes to, but the way Paige delivered it and maybe I'm paraphrasing, obviously there's editing. So who knows? But she painted a picture that her mom's very involved in decisions that Paige makes, like very involved.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
And there's a lot of people out there are in relationships that feel like they have a husband and or wife and they're also kind of dating that person's parents. And they almost have to make sure before they make major decisions that that person has to clear it with mom or dad. And that is like
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Did we know that he did? Or was she being vague? It was like, yeah, Zach told me. I wish he would have waited because he told me they cuddled. So did Katie admit to having... Did she call out Zach or something?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
your number one dating ick yeah I do feel like that is like an absolute fucking no and like it's also just not healthy like it might work for you and you might think it's okay but that's not healthy that's not a healthy relationship that is codependent and that is like a weird you're way too close to your
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Like if every major decision you and Connor made and he started feeling like you had to make sure you check with grandma and then if gram and, and every decision you made seemed to always align with grandma, no matter what. And that like, is that how it is?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
see her side though you see Danielle's side kind of I see Lindsay's side too no come on come on I just kind of get that I get I get Danielle's line being like now we're making like pragmatic decisions you know it's like why not now you already made one that was like a little bit jump the gun so like why not now take things a little slow
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Again, I get, I'm just saying sometimes we make decisions because of the optics rather than what it actually does. And I'm just, I don't know.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I think there's a difference between marriage and living together, especially when you have a kid. Marriage is a legal contract.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
It's what we did in the beginning of our relationship. I'm just saying.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
for me a kid completely changes the equation you know and there's something very permanent and very real about having a child together and like that just that changes the equation you know and and now you both like have a kid to raise and like regardless of What I do know about Lindsay and this man who I know nothing about is that for the next 18 years, those two are in each other's lives.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
They're connected no matter what. Doesn't matter whether they get married or don't get married or move in or don't get married. Those two are in each other's lives. Carl, Lindsay, as soon as this show ends, they may never speak to each other again, you know? But like, and when you have a kid, like there's, you don't, you take kind of practical decisions a little bit out the window.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I totally get where Lindsay's coming from. I'm not saying, I don't think she's making a bad decision or wrong decision, but I kind of get the criticism. I do a little bit.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I did. I think it's all fair. I think they're just leaning in. I'm just happy that Sierra finally admitted that part of her and Wes was a little bit her fault.
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I don't know if she thinks she admitted that, but when she finally acknowledged that maybe her picker's a little off and that she goes after a certain kind of guy, I was like, oh, finally she's taking a little bit of ownership in her feelings.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I mean, you can't look at Wes Wilson and say husband material right now. Or boyfriend material.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Is it going to change your decision tree? Is it going to change your mind? Yeah. Like how you make a decision. Is that anyone?
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It is interesting to think, though, the whole jealousy comment. when you're a single per, I mean, I guess I know I can speak for guys. I don't know how it is for the ladies, but when you're a single guy and you have women friends, you know, attractive women friends, but you're just, you're just friends. Like you're, you're cool. Like there's no like weird, strictly platonic, just friends. Like,
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
commenting on your girlfriends who are just friends instagram is this something that you think nothing of and like especially you've been single for a while you just don't think it's a big deal yeah and then when you're in a relationship completely opposite you're just like why would you comment on my girlfriend or boyfriends or husband or wives like you know like like stop being fucking weird yeah
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
um and it's just kind of funny because i remember being this single for years uh and having friends who were women and just like yeah just kind of fucking around and just like doing it for the plot or like having people online like react to do it and we're as two friends we didn't give a fuck and we just whatever yeah
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
You know, it's like if they do this, I'm going to do that, you know. cause and effect sure you know you're on the bachelor you know this person has a fantasy suite with multiple people you know they're given a green light if they want to potentially do that are you gonna get engaged and then say and break up with them
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And so hearing Lexi like have like she's so entitled to have a problem with this. Like you don't want to be dating a guy and having him like commenting on someone else's cans and, you know, other and his other friends, other body parts and calling saying they're so beautiful and how sexy they are. Like, you don't want to see that.
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And like the fact that it's not clicking for him and he's just like, what's the big deal? I'm just like being my like just be my authentic and his mind. He's just like nothing. You know, like you're asking me to change. I'm just being a friend of my friends.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Well, that's not gonna go well.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Why would Sierra do that, though?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Well, yeah, but that's the thing.
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I'm not saying it's more her fault than his fault.
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Sure. But when you start dating someone.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Fine. But like, yeah, they're in this weird period where like she can't get mad, but she's a human being. Oh, she's totally. She's liking this person and she has the right to feel a certain way. She totally deserves to be that. And while Jesse is far more responsible for that relation. Well, Sierra's not responsible for it at all. No.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
But the fact that a year ago, Sierra was in a very similar relationship to where he was kind of dating someone in the house, you would think she would be able to empathize with Lexi more than anyone else. And the fact that she's the very person being the subject of Jesse's flirtiness, it's just like she doesn't give a fuck.
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All right. Well, don't forget to tune in tomorrow. We have a very great episode of Going Deeper with Barbie Ferreira from Euphoria. She's got a great new movie coming out as well. That is a fantastic episode with Barbie. That is all tomorrow as well. And on Thursday, very excited, we have Jason Ritter returning with his wife for the first time, Melanie Linsky. They're coming together.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Very excited about them talking about their new projects. They're big fans of reality TV. I think they watch some Housewives as well. Maybe some other stuff. Even Jason's always come on talking about The Bachelor. So either way, they will definitely be a good time. That is on Thursday as well. Great week lined up for y'all. We love you. Thanks for listening. We'll see you tomorrow.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Are you going to be the first person in the history of the show to find out that the lead had sex with someone and then before AFR break up with them because they had sex with one other person and then come out of AFR and be like, yeah, they fuck someone. So fuck them. You're going to do that.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I mean, like certainly sex has been talked about and it's been, you know, and for various reasons, people had problems that are not have problems with, but no one's actually been like, yeah, we broke up. And then it's like, why? Because they had sex with someone else. Like that's never happened.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Clayton was different because Clayton was just like, I love everybody.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Yeah, and he came out at the rose ceremony. He's like, yeah, I had sex with you. I had sex with you. And I had sex with you. And he was like, I love you all.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
if you're gonna be the bachelor be the bachelor I swear to god like they must they must have given Clayton advice while he was eating two burritos at the same time and like he just like I do understand I think you should tell all these women you had sex with them he's like sure you know I'm like not thinking anyways I think that that's nuts that Katie came out and was like yeah Zach told me he had sex with someone else before my fantasy suite I'm choosing you but like I slept with her I thought it was like during a musical act where you like whispered in her ear and be like yeah
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And that's where all the production team like works out of. But it's also like kind of run by Warner Brothers. I don't know. I don't totally, totally get it. Anyways. Yeah. So the showrunners Claire and Bennett are no longer with the show.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Anyway, did Grant make it seem like he didn't have sex?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
He kind of made it seem like he wasn't having sex.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I'm not going to out you.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
i definitely when i was a bachelor i'm not gonna out you i'm not i was not gonna like hook up with multiple people i i knew that going in if i was gonna hook up with anyone it wasn't it was only gonna be one that was my my promise to myself that was your right reason yeah that was my right reason that was your boy scout you're like i will fuck one person okay well so maybe i wonder if grant did too be intimate
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
But he does love Latia.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
It was a throwaway. But he did say, he said it multiple times.
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operating as if like she doesn't need to be careful she has a right to go out whenever she wants she's a free and independent single woman now and that those are all true but when you're in when you're in the public eye and you have an audience you have to sometimes be careful of of the optics regardless of the optics are true or not because people have their opinions and she doesn't give a fuck and that's fine but she wants craig to have her back in the meantime
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So she wants to go out and operate and she wants to go out in public and go to games and hold people's hands. And then when rumors start circulating, she wants Craig to what? Stand up and say, don't worry, she didn't cheat. That's fucking insane.
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So that's all we know. What could have been anyone?
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What do we know about those women? Let's say let's say it was inappropriate.
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OK, sure. Now it's getting fine. It's getting messy and spiteful. But like we're still under the impression that Paige outgrew Craig, didn't want to be in that relationship and broke his heart. And we're all acting like Craig, like Sierra having opinion or any of Paige's friends having an opinion about Craig's feelings and whether it's time for him to just move on is insanity.
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When I disagreed with how Sierra handled the West thing, fine, because I just felt like she was upset that he didn't like her, but she has the right to feel however she wants. And if she wants to still be upset, that's fine. To sit there and tell someone you're milking it because your feelings shouldn't be hurt anymore. That's crazy.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
yeah when we got back from new york yeah i got flowers honestly it was it was better than we had a wonderful valentine's day no what's funny though is that i was so busy i i haven't even had time to post a valentine's day i love you message to my wife oh my god you haven't let the internet fucking know we love each other i haven't no i haven't let them know wait the question is being in love they're gonna forget the question is did you ask natalie to be your valentine
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Exactly.
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I've heard Wes's version. And Wes's version is like he just realized he didn't like her after hanging out with her.
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But we do know that they were never dating. And we do know early on that Wes made it very clear that he has like, you know, commitment issues. There's that.
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I'm not even here to have Wes's back. I'm just here. If Sierra, fine. And if Sierra has a right to be upset about Wes, I am just saying it's a little bit much for her to be calling out Craig.
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I'm just like, who's accusing Wes of milking it? He did an interview and someone asked him a question about the break.
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That's the subheadline.
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Okay, and then what was the problem?
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I didn't think he did that. Ours first.
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I'm with you. I just think, you know, I just don't think... More than anything, we should be like the idea that Craig doesn't have the right to be upset and that he is supposed to have pages back after they're broken up. Regardless of how how page choose to move and operate to me is nuts. But that's nuts.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Vow Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick. I hope you all had a very wonderful Valentine's Day weekend. Always had to emphasize the N's.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Was that in episode one? Teaser.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Oh, because Jesse's just like... Because Jesse's being messy.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Well, Jesse is like, you know, he's friends with Sierra and he's just like... He has that friend where you just like... I used to be... When I was single and I had like girlfriends who were just friends, but like, you know, they were attractive and you'd be like, oh, you're so hot or whatever. Yeah.
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I think at some point I kind of like joked about it. Yeah.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
But he starts looking at, you know, he starts liking another girl and he's still doing the whole you're so hot to his quote unquote friends.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Sierra's a little messy. All right. Well, I think Kazzy David is almost here. So, Kazzy, welcome back.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Where do you want to start? Your amazing new movie? No, I don't want to start with that. You don't want to start with that? Yeah. We already talked about it a little bit.
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Well, how you been?
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I don't know how movies are even made.
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What inspired you to write this genre of movie?
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Yeah. Well, it's funny because like sometimes you watch these rom-coms where like or like Sex and the City is like a show we love watching. And then like it's always portrayed in this like very like romantic way that you're supposed to be like, oh, I want that. But when you like kind of take away some of the shine, you're like, wait, is this?
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Oh, what a romance. Romantic. Well, isn't that the point of being married?
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big kind of like toxic and emotionally abusive potentially like you know when they don't romanticize it and like this movie really kind of leaned into that and I just really love the just the self-deprecating humor about like more than anything like how we lie to ourselves in relationships yeah for sure that's great
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I have to go in there on like on a Tuesday before Valentine's day. I'd be like, I hope she says yes.
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It does not work. My favorite was, if you're not going to go to therapy, at least watch some of the TikToks I sent you. Yeah.
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I meant to leave that. I don't want it back. You can have it.
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I guess it does. But yeah.
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That's great. Well, the movie is I know you don't want to keep talking about. It's really good, though. You should be really proud. I love a good rom-com. There's not enough of them out there today. I was texting you about this yesterday, but I think every generation has their breakup movie.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Well, first we stopped at a friend's and then after we stopped at their friends, we were walking on the street and we saw Meg Ryan just walking.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
When you're breaking up with someone and you just don't really know how to feel about how you're feeling and you want to connect with something, sometimes there's a movie out there that really...
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
kind of like not only speaks to like the pain you're feeling but it calls you out on some of your bullshit for me it was like forgetting sarah marshall you know and i feel like this movie for this generation because it like it does like topically like talk about some of the things that people out there are dating experience and just some of the language people are using whether it's correct or incorrect and things like that because you like you said there's a lot of people out there who have dated people like this or have had relationships like this
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or have acted that way in these types of relationships. And I think it can be very eye-opening and help people get over that stuff. Because forgetting Sarah Marshall, as great as it was, I was going through a breakup just like that. And just to be able to watch that, I watched it over and over.
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And every time I did it, it helped me feel good because he kind of woke up and really saw her for who she was throughout that movie. Anyway, so.
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It was very cool. It was a very cool celebrity sighting.
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No, it's definitely, it's dark.
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The ending is, I loved the end. It's very uplifting and it really, it's a kind of a, like Swingers has that ending where it's kind of that like aha moment at the end.
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Anyways, congratulations. Thank you.
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It was really good. You can find it on Amazon. It's available, it's out now. It's called I Love You Forever.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Okay. SNL 50 was last night. Yeah. Did you see your dad's? Glam bot. Glam bot.
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Did they ask your dad at all to join in anything? You know, I don't know.
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Ryan and Blake made a little appearance in the audience. I thought that was great. I thought it was pretty funny. Really good.
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Back's doing better.
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That's a good point.
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I have surfed in Hawaii, and it's not nice to your back at all.
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Anything else in the SNL that we're trying to think? It was long. It was good, though. It was really long.
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Did you see the outtakes of, you know, that bit where it was Will Forte and Jason Sudeikis and Will Forte was in the like the Elmo costume.
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And they stood up in the crowd. There's like outtakes now. And they're like, who played Wednesday Adams?
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And I guess she was like right next to Jason Sudeikis. And she keeps like dodging his hand movements because like, you know, it's so small in there. And she's just going like this.
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It's pretty hilarious. You got to watch it.
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It seemed a lot of random that he was there, though.
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It was kind of weird, like, looking into the crowd as they would pan in the commercials, and everyone was, like... I almost wish Lorne, like, had died, so, like, it would, like, justify it a little bit more, you know?
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Like, what are we going to do now when he does die?
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He's just, he's great. Traitors. Traitors. This is what you've been dying to talk about.
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Short of we interviewed Rob last week and he was talking about like when he showed up, you know, they had that plan of how they presented them and, you know, that or the bringing them back short of like how they introduce them and things like that. Yeah, the producers are not pulling strings as much as other shows.
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You know where Sierra fucked up? I was thinking about this this morning because I was like, it just dawned on me. So let me know if I'm wrong. Okay. But she got the shield, right?
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And she hid it. Now, some people on her team knew that she had the shield, but if at some point in the round table, she would have been like, guys, I haven't said anything because I'm trying to like suss out a traitor, but I have the shield. I felt like that would have helped her cause. It doesn't make sense that if you're a traitor, that you would...
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No, not that she had the shield, but I'm saying that she hid it from the traitors.
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At some point, I feel like she should have owned up to that.
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Maybe, like, right before they vote. Like, I actually have the shield, right?
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But like, we got new fans, you know.
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For sure.
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Would you do it?
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You would be so mad at me if I voted you out.
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It is crazy. It's a viable thing. Cassie David said she would do your show if you're listening.
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No, Traders is elevating, Cassie.
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Your career in Traders is going to be... That's what I'm saying, yeah. You're big enough. I'm sorry, you're being self-deprecating again. I'm going to keep up.
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And we were finishing dinner and I was like, so no, I really think we should date. And I was like, absolutely not.
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I feel like the traders have the best chance to go. Like, I think if you're a trader, you're almost guaranteed to go a little far. You have better odds to go further, but it's almost impossible to win. I feel like.
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Also MJ.
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They turned on her?
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She was starting the process. She was on her first one-on-one.
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Well, right, so it ended with him fighting about that.
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I think the smart move is to try to recruit someone.
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Because like Danielle said, I mean... You want to be able to throw someone under the bus. They're pretty confident. One of the traitors is at least one woman. They're right about that. Their only traitors are two.
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I think. Well, see, I think Caroline's making an emotional decision as well, because it's just more like she's just kind of like, you lied to me. Fuck you. Like, she's just like, I can't trust you. They both need to compromise. I think Caroline should compromise and invite someone in, like try to seduce a faithful. But that person should be Gabby.
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If Gabby wanted to put the gamer hat on, she could totally do it. Totally. She could have fun with it, too. And now, because Chrishell's gone, all the Bambi girls are gone, so if you're Gabby, you're like, fuck it, I have no loyalty to anyone here. Why not?
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Yeah, it wasn't like that, but I definitely zigged and zagged. I pulled a West.
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yeah that's true um wasn't it that if you get recruited though and you say no you do you get murdered i don't think so no no but like there's always a choice of like do you say something do you not say something yeah because they're gonna tell that you know they will say well because no one will get murdered right if you get seduced someone no one's murdered so they'll find out no one's murdered and then like they'll be like oh well someone got seduced or like um whatever i don't know
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We don't know who it was.
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No, everything he does is 100% serious. When he was running, holding that tune. Yeah.
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As if that does anything, yeah. Does that even do anything?
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Yeah.
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I have a soft spot for Tom.
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After doing special forces.
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Perfect person who is he's only capable of so much.
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So that's not true.
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I can't be that mad at him because like he can't be that evil. He's not capable of it.
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He's like, no, for sure.
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It's triggering now because she doesn't like the way the steak's prepared.
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I have to think of the letter N. I mean, I would say for 30-some years, I had no idea.
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You make a good point. I think that shows a weakness of the show. The gamers were there to, like, focus on TV. And that's why Rob was speaking up. And that's why, like, Bob the Drag Queen was speaking up. Because, like, they wanted to make TV. But no one else would say anything. So they had, like, too much attention on there. Too much heat.
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Would you want to be a trader or a faithful?
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You have a very constant energy.
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Your vibes are off.
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She's always, like, crying.
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So who do we have left?
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If they don't recruit Gabby or Brittany, they're going to kill a guy for sure. Because there's no point in killing a girl.
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He's not a gamer. He didn't like come in. I think he's pretty smart. He's just showing up to like update his brand. You know, like he's not coming to win traders. I don't think he gives a fuck about the show.
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That is a little frustrating with this. And I think Rob was mentioning this, that there's almost too many variables they can't control. Rob was talking about game theory.
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Well, instead, we got a rezzo at an Italian restaurant near our hotel. We went to- Serafina?
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He was just talking about just... well, if I would have went after Wes, then I had to think about, you know, it's always like, he's always thinking three or four steps ahead. And he's just talking about just like, if you do this, there's a theory behind this. And there's like, there's immense amount of strategy behind the moves that they're making.
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They're not, they're not voting for like their friends because they want to save someone or they're just not, they're not voting for someone who, Sometimes they would go with the majority because that's a strategy, but there's always a strategy. And most of these people, to your point, they're not strategizing. They're all surviving.
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Most people are there to survive, not strategize how to make moves.
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Lovely.
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I really want to see it go on.
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But Natalie and I like to walk the streets of New York and shop, and we decided to go to one of our favorite pizza places that's near a hotel that we often stay at that we didn't stay at this time. And so I'm curious, how trashy is this? Maybe this could be our dealing dilemma. Are you f***ing kidding me? I'm losing my mind. It was New York. It was cold. It was Valentine's Day. Like, it's cold.
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Wes, when he threatened to murder all the girls who get his revenge.
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Was Wes on Housewives? I used to skip through the challenges.
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Some of them watch it.
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Do you want to stick around and interview some Love is Blind and Bachelor people or do you want to get out of here?
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Stick around. Do you care about Paige and Craig's breakup at all? Are you following that?
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I'm curious. I really would love your opinion.
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Because I was coming on and I thought, do you think, do you think Rose, yeah, I don't care, are you team Rose or team Carolina?
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There was a group date. Yeah. In between the group date, there was an arbitrary winner, which they often do. And so that girl was Carolina, and she got to dance with Grant in front of the other women on the group date.
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And at the end of the dance, she decided to sit him on a couch, straddle him, and suck his face real hard.
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She cries a lot. She's become the villain of the season. And there's this other girl named Rose.
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Then apparently Carolina and Rose had a conversation. And then at some point, according to Carolina, who went back to Grant and tattled on Rose, Rose said that... Grant told her that he was thinking about Rose when he was dancing with Carolina.
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Rose didn't really remember. She was like, I might have said that.
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And we got a couple slices at this little, like, corner pizza place. So there's not a lot of space. There's no chairs. They have a little bar area against the windows. So we got the pizzas to go. And we took them across the street to the hotel that we were not staying at.
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I just thought it was that. I just said Valentine's.
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The stakes are so much different.
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Well, the stakes are still pretty high and love is blind. Just stick around.
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Great. All right, Cassie's going to stay with us. We have Dave from Love is Blind coming up next, and we'll discuss with him the first three episodes of Love is Blind. I know there's six out right now, but we got Reality Recap on Thursday, so we'll cover the episodes four, five, and six on Thursday's episode of Reality Recap, and the new batch comes out after that, and we'll keep on covering.
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All right, so let's get to Dave. During these cold winter months, there's no better combination for a cozy night in than good company. And it's even better with a delicious bottle of wine. And that's why we are members of First Leaf.
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With First Leaf, not only do we get to enjoy personalized wine just for us, but we get to have fantastic bottles on hand to share with our friends and family or just with ourselves when we like spending so much time together.
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There's so many great selections that First Leaf introduces you to. If you're like me, before I got First Leaf, I was always just buying because of the labels. I really just kind of, I had no idea what I was getting, honestly. But with First Leaf, they're introducing you to some great tasting wines. Like their aromatherapy, they're something unblocked. It has notes of pineapple, honey, grapefruit.
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Either way, it's delicious. I love it. It's my new fave. So many great features about First Leaf, but one of my favorites is they deliver it right to your door and no longer you have to lug heavy wine bottles from the grocery store to your home. They deliver it right there when you need it so you can be ready to enjoy First Leaf when you want it.
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Even for somebody who's not good at math, she knows that's a lot.
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That's tryfirstleaf.com. Spell T-R-Y-F-I-R-S-T-L-E-A-F dot com slash V-I-A-L-L. Tryfirstleaf.com slash V-I-A-L-L.
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We have before several times, so much so that I'm pretty sure the maitre d' or whatever. Concierge. Concierge recognized us. And we pretended to be patrons at the hotel. We ate the pizza inside the lobby while we were warm.
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All the new parents out there, do yourself a favor. Get yourself a Dreamland Baby's weighted sleep sack. It's like a third parent. It's really great.
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Very easy to wash because obviously with new babies, sometimes accidents happen, but you just throw it in the washing machine. No problem. It's ready to go for another amazing night of sleep for your new lovely baby. We couldn't live without it. And you can't either get that Dreamland weighted baby sleep sack.
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Go to dreamlandbabyco.com and enter promo code V-I-A-L-L at checkout to receive 20% off sitewide plus free shipping. This offer is for new and existing customers. Again, that's dreamlandbabyco.com. and enter our code V-I-A-L-L to receive 20% off site-wide plus free shipping. Dave!
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How's it going? Welcome to the show. Are you enjoying the first couple episodes of this season? Are you staying offline? I hope so.
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Okay. Well, I'm assuming you're referring to the stuff they decided to show of yours, specifically probably around some of your jokes that, depending on who you are, landed or didn't land. Do you want to address them? Or probably the 30-year-old women joke probably pissed people off.
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Gotcha. Do you think you can take it as well as you can give it?
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Were there some other jokes on there that you shared that didn't get aired? Maybe some better ones? You're like, ah, they showed that one, but what about this one? This one we were really laughing.
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Who, uh, who else were there anyone that you had dates with that we didn't get to see?
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Thank you.
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It felt adventurous. Yeah. And a little trashy.
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Did you get to know Madison much at all?
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Were you, were you surprised that you started developing feelings?
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I would say for 30-plus years, I just really didn't know it was Valentine's.
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You're only 33. That's what the 30-year-old jokes.
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Well, we have a great show lined up for you momentarily. Our friend, friend of show, Cassie David is joining us. She has a new movie out called I'll Love You Forever that she wrote and directed. It's a great movie. We watched it over the weekend. If you love a good breakup film or just like a very self-aware like relationship movie that kind of like pokes holes, make kind of fun of yourself.
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You just have to wait.
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Do we have any more questions for Dave?
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Uh, Dave, really appreciate your time. I know that, uh, you're, you're at work or you're, you took some time off to talk with us. So I appreciate you taking the time and best of luck the rest of the way. Stay off the internet. Don't read your comments. Uh, and you'll, you'll be just fine, buddy.
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Take care, bud.
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How do you think Dave did?
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Oh, he landed.
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Do you want to talk about Madison? Madison is triggering me. It reminds me of every relationship I had in my 20s, early 30s.
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Well, because, so, Kazzy.
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Madison is dating Alex. Alex, upper left. Yeah, I see him. And Mason. And Mason.
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She's also very open about. Doesn't feel like something you. She's also very open about her trauma. She's like, I've had a lot of shit happen to me. And, like, I can't tell you specifically what, because, you know, we're on camera. But, like, I hope you're okay with knowing I'm fucked up, but I can't tell you exactly how. And Alex's storyline is...
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Handsome guy, but he talks about how growing up he was the ugliest of the uglings, according to himself.
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And he said that he got really bullied. And you really love this guy, right? And so now he's this very sweet, handsome guy, but has this gentle, sweet face.
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But yeah, he could definitely like he could definitely use a girlfriend makeover for sure.
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He's falling in love with Madison. And it like I'm triggered by it because like Alex kind of reminds me of me when I was that age. And Madison reminds me of like every girl I pursued when I was that age. And it's like the person who is just like, I've done some work. So like I'm aware I'm self-aware.
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It's a dark comedy. If you've been in a kind of a love bombing type of relationship, it might be a little triggering for you. It's also has a lot of humor about like this, some of the mistakes that we make in relationships. Anyways, it's really good. Kazzy will be with us. She's also a huge Traders fan. So she'll be talking to some Traders with us as well. Plus we have, who do we got?
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Cause the bachelors, you know, and they can't really question anyone or they can't every season of the bachelorette. There's always like, it's like week three, week four,
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where some guy says something wrong and then she storms in where they're all staying there and she's like listen up motherfuckers if you're not here for the right reason there's the fucking door and everyone's like oh what a queen she's great oh she's serious and like yeah the bachelor's is always like hey guys we just want to be nice to each other and please like well it's like one girl telling on everyone and that in with like a lie and him being like if you guys don't start being nice to her you know i don't know it's just it's hard to watch
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Yeah.
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You found it.
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You know what the best part about that is? That I really laughed. Well, she's behind a screen. She can't see him. But he still wrote down, like, still not attractive. As if, like, she could see him.
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He's like, I'm so still not attractive.
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Get married. I don't care.
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What are their accents? They're from Minneapolis. Minnesota, yeah. It's a lot of don't you know.
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Not the first season, I think.
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So, so stupid. When they propose to each other behind the screen, it's the worst and best moment of TV every season.
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We got Dave from Love is Blind. We got Parisa with us, recently exiled from Bachelor Mansion. She's with us as well.
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it's just like are you standing are you kneeling yes and the guy gets down on the knee and he looks at a wall and he proposes and it's always and then the girl will like go up to the wall and like touch the wall like it's and then after they propose then they have the big reveal where they have to like walk down the hallway and look at the person that they've formed this relationship they're now their fiance and be like did i make a mistake
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It means you're a fuckboy. Like, you're fucking.
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Like, you're not in a relationship. You don't want to be in, like, a movie scene, though. I've never done that with a girlfriend.
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No, Cautious Clay is like, that makes music for sex.
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He brought her some rocks and said, get the fuck out.
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What do I give a fuck? First of all, we all know I can't spell. Yeah, I'm triggered. What did you get for Valentine's Day? Oh, my God. I had this lovely Valentine's Day package, little basket that my wife got me.
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What about those rocks you gave me?
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Imagine mid makeout stops. Hold on. Skip this song. Skip to another one.
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But when you were single and out there slinging it, you had a playlist. And then now that you're in love, you're just like, you don't.
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What'd you do?
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How did Pitbull end up on your playlist?
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It was just music.
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Yeah.
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I think Rose leaving means I was right.
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But that still means that she said and did something she knew she shouldn't have done. And Carolina definitely threw her under the bus and definitely screwed her over and is definitely the messiest of the group for sure.
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And that to me is like, OK, we're clearly saying that they were crying like in solidarity at the end of this episode.
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100%.
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We need a name for Leah's family.
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Chaos Leos.
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Do we know exactly what she said?
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Can we argue about Paige and Craig before Kazia gets here?
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I don't remember it specifically, so I do think context matters. I do think sometimes in that world, the house, the bully, will go after anyone who's not saying, I'm deeply in love with the lead, like week two.
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Anyone who's demonstrating any like, hey, we'll see, and I still want to get to know someone, and I want to take my time, and yada, yada, yada, is sometimes portrayed by the house as not being grateful for being there,
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Well, Leah. Leah has.
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You don't, Leah? You think all of Carolina's tears are 100% genuine and authentic?
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You're going to agree with whatever Paige does regarding it. Okay, that's fair. As long as you point that out.
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Yes and no. Again, I think it's splitting hairs. I always get annoyed. And I was kind of that person on Andy's season. I was like, I don't know. I'll get to know her. I had early attention, so I liked her earlier. But like... As soon as I was like, my villain edit started when people were like, he's ungrateful. You know, he's on a date and like, he's not sure about her yet.
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I'm like, that's because I just went on this. Like, I don't know. Yeah. Like, literally, I've never spent more than 12 minutes with her. Right. And that and this has happened multiple seasons like that. That narrative gets used against people sometimes.
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But Carolina is going on a date, complaining about the date, saying things like, I didn't even want, like kind of throwing a fit, like saying things that she's not grateful to have that date. That's different than someone saying, I had an amazing time with this person. I love what I've gotten to know. I have more questions.
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Okay.
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I'm not in love yet. And sometimes the I'm not in love yet has been weaponized against people in that house. But that doesn't seem like what Carolina is doing.
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Anyways, for those of you people who don't know, at the end of last week, Sierra from Summer House, also Traders, went on Watch What Happens Lives with Lindsay Hubbard to promote Summer House. And on that appearance, Sierra, I don't know if she dealt like she had pages back, which Sierra having pages back. I love that. I love that she's loyal to her friend. She's a ride or die. She's a girl's girl.
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Wasn't it a little dramatic, though, for Rose to have her panic attack?
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I need to go at this point. I still agree with Cassie. Rose, if nothing else, she was foolish.
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Yeah, she shouldn't have trusted her. The more I'm watching Carolina, the more I'm wondering if Rose has got...
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She got duped by someone playing a more sophisticated game.
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We're only working with the information we have in front of us. Yeah.
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I'm team Latia. Whoever, like the fact that she was voicing concern over Carolina.
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That's kind of all I needed to hear.
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Latia seems like she doesn't, she really, who knows? But she gives like above the drama. Yeah. But if, you know, if you ask her her opinion, she'll give an honest answer. Yeah.
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I agree. It's I don't have a good read on his like favorites.
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She just she's there to have her friends back. So that much I do get. But she doubled down on the Craig is supposed to have Paige's back. He's supposed to deny these rumors about Paige. And she claimed that he's milking her. And then we watched the Summer House premiere. And at the end of that, which giving like a season preview, they pick up cameras. We don't know when they pick up cameras.
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How are you feeling after your... Well, you haven't watched it yet. We know. We've seen it. Yeah. You're kicked out. You're exiled from Madrid.
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understand and um but no i'm doing i'm doing very well thank you for asking you're selling you like you're saying you understand and uh and i'm and i'm i mean this with all the love in the world like like you don't really mean it like you really want to say this is bullshit i shouldn't have gone home no no i um i had this mindset all the
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Like you wish you would have got more involved or you regret getting involved?
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Where did you land? Were you team Rose or team Carolina?
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But clearly after they broke up and these rumors started circulating. And you have Paige making an accusation on camera. I'm not sure to exactly who.
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Do you think Carolina is like sabotaged your time?
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that she caught Craig texting two bitches, as she said, at some point during their relationship. And then we watched Summer House, and then Sierra's still mad at West for their situation. Which, I think that just makes Sierra a really good friend. Because she's going out of her way to have Paige's back, at the risk of kind of, like, being a hypocrite.
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So definitely Team Rose. It sounds like your team rose.
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You strike me as someone who before you came on, you seemed like a little like you were kind of the sassy one. You had the PowerPoint, you know, and now you're like afraid to ruffle. You're like you're afraid to ruffle feathers.
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Oh, my God. So many things. I had this really nice sweater shirt that Natalie asked. You know, when Natalie says, do you want to open a gift early? That means I should ask to open a gift early because she wanted me to wear it for our interview. We went to New York over the weekend to do an interview, our Going Deeper guest this week. Alessia Cara. Very excited about that.
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Are we going to see you on the beaches of paradise? If you get asked, will you say yes?
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Bachelor in Paradise is fun, but I don't know if I would go there, like, for a husband.
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Ashley and Jared.
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Aware of their success stories.
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How much success they've had. Well, thank you so much for your time. Sorry it ended so shortly. And maybe we'll see you on the beaches of paradise.
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All right. Take care.
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She's like she had a an on camera romance, a situationship, if you will. Definitely some hurt feelings. She seems to be really upset that West ultimately decided he didn't like her. Not that West didn't do things he that maybe he could have been more sensitive and more caring. We understand that. But like, you know,
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It sounds like she really hated Carolina and didn't want to say it.
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Summer House. Summer House looks like it's going to be entertaining.
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I don't know, but Natalie makes a great point, and it's a great question, and it's one that has no good answer. It's one thing to show up pregnant, and our last memory is you ending a relationship with your fiancé who's also on the show, and obviously very compelling TV if I'm the Bravo producers. I'm doing everything I can to make sure Lindsay shows up with baby in the oven to confront Carl.
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Next summer... She has a child.
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And every Sunday, Thursday through Sunday, she's just going to peace out. Guest house.
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We're not asking. This is not like a round table of like, how do we figure this out? How can Lindsay execute?
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Yes, of course she can do it.
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She can bring her kid to the Kyle DJ house or, like, every weekend. Also, again, like, I don't know what Lindsay, how Lindsay enjoys or, like, I don't know what Lindsay's relationship with her child or what motherhood's been like for Lindsay. I have no idea.
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You're right. Paige did it all the time. In the context of a working woman, but the problem with this show is Bravo just obsessively likes to pretend this isn't their job. You know, that this is a choice of people just like for whatever reason getting together and they're friends and they just, every Thursday night, drive out to the house and party like fucking rock stars and drive back.
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Same as Paige and Craig. But what we do know is that Craig and Paige dated for three years and Wes and Sierra never were even boyfriend and girlfriend. And if you're going to accuse Craig of milking a breakup, then, you know, it comes across a bit hypocritical that you're still like upset about a situationship that didn't didn't go the way you want it.
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And Bravo wants to, like, critique Carl about, like, Lindsay. Lindsay literally lecturing Carl about not having a job and he needs a job, all pretending that he's not a TV star and that this isn't his job. Mm-hmm. And to Natalie's point, Bravo Nation kind of buys into this narrative for the most part. They're just like, what is your job? Because it's not a TV star.
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And so the optics are just fucking brutal. And even for the working ladies out there, yeah, it's a tough choice that every woman and every parent has to face of a very difficult challenge if they have a job that takes them away from their kid potentially three to four days out of the week. That's hard on any parent and any child.
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She's in a tough pickle to like, it's not an easy choice for Lindsay. It's just not an easy choice.
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She was dating Brooklyn Beckham.
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Regardless of like that. But like Brooklyn Beckham is like a Beckham. it's like Hollywood royalty in a way. She's dating UK royalty. Listen, no disrespect to Jessie, love Jessie, but us reality TV stars don't get the same clout.
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And the hottest man alive. One of the most sought after celebrities in the past
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How is Sierra and Lexi going to get along?
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Because you have two just like very traditionally like beautiful women by like anyone's standards, both like seemingly successful models. And so far, Sierra has like.
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This is giving all the makings of Wes and Sierra from last season. Like Jesse's in love. He's obsessed with her. He's like out there. I'm going to marry this girl. Episode one. He's like, I'm going to date this girl.
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First day or not, but at some point, Jesse's going to continue to get to know Lexi, and I'm sure, like everyone, he's going to learn some things he likes and some things he doesn't like. Right now, he's just obsessed with how hot she is.
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But doesn't care.
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Still wants to sleep with her.
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Yeah, but what was she really mad at? She was mad at that West saying, and he said this on our show as well, that he didn't really see a future with her.
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But like, but why is Sierra going to fight with her? Is that the big question?
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Guys fight over women too. Like,
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Yeah, he's just getting his confidence back. Forget about his swagger. He's just getting his mental health back.
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I mean, fine. Again, she has hurt feelings. She has the right to have hurt feelings. But Craig has hurt feelings.
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Do you think Jesse and Lexi will be together at the end of the season?
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Do you think either of them will feel a certain way about it?
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Do you think Lexi will be very upset with Jesse?
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It's going to be just like last season.
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Can you imagine being 4 years old and needing a pet on the back for being in bed by 2 a.m.?
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It is progress. I'm not criticizing any relationship aspect of it. I'm just like blown away that a 40-year-old has the desire...
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To party is that hard.
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I'm just saying Paige and Sierra operate like when they're upset and when they're hurt, everyone's supposed to, you know, they're justified to have their feelings. And according to them, when it's the other way around, they're milking it. How is that a bit hypocritical?
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That's not on him, though. In his defense, sometimes when one person leaves the party, the other guys are like, well, maybe we should just go.
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Gotcha.
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A pair of pants she has.
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Okay.
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There's plenty of clothes.
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Let's just be clear.
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Southern Charm.
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I'm just reminded of just how unserious most of these guys are, but in particular Shep.
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Do you think he's playing into it? No.
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Yeah, he really fucked up with Taylor.
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I need space.
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We've changed so much. When you have to remind your girlfriend that you've changed together and she's like, ew.
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But that's almost, like, the problem with this for Shep is it's, like, you know, he's been used to being, like, his kind of, like, I don't get it, like, his aloofness. At times, it can be, like, almost charming, and it really has charmed the pants out of a lot of people.
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But, like, the problem is he's now, how old, 40?
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he's he is like the trust fund baby version he's 44 right and so like and it's just like yeah in a relationship that uh like unserious person is like what you saw with with taylor where it's just like nothing was that serious anytime she wanted to have a serious conversation it was like what's the big deal like nothing was serious like and that's gotta feel so fucking frustrating
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in a relationship with someone at this point of his in his life like i love the way shep craig and austin take care of each other like it really is charming like that friendship those three guys like that is something special that they have it does evolve though and they do need to grow up and like you really see shep in this like stage of his life where you have craig trying his ass to grow up like trying his best to grow up like we'll see if he continues to do so after like post page life
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Austin, not so much. Shep, I don't know, somewhere in between. But yeah, he's just kind of an unserious person that I think is really starting to catch up with him at this stage of his life. Because it's kind of getting to the point where it's just like, bro, you kind of have to be... You're 44. Be serious about something, about anything. Pick something. Be a little serious about something.
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And he's just so unserious about everything.
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Taylor fucking died. when she realized that she wasn't into Shep, his girlfriend. Sienna. Sienna?
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Because, like, first she was, like, she thought she was, like, having his new girlfriend's back.
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You're like, oh.
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And then Austin and Craig were like, no, honestly, she's playing him for a fool. And then when she realized that, like, Shep's chasing this girl, she died inside. You could tell. It, like, broke her.
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When is Shep getting healed, though?
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Shep needs to, like, yeah. Honestly, Shep needs to get broken. He needs to be broke by somebody, like a girl, a woman.
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He needs to be willing to be serious about something and vulnerable about something.
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He's rich.
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Yeah, so that's where it checks out. She lives in the Bahamas and is matching with people in South Carolina. Or goes to parties with all the rich men.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Well, that's why she didn't change in front of Shep. She didn't want Gam Gam to see her watching Naked Man on camera.
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Yeah, but like, get off my TV screen. I don't need your self-awareness or I don't care about mom or grandma. Like if you're not here to play fucking, this is the pros. This is reality TV. This is ABC The Bachelor. This is Bravo.
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Yeah. Not a fan of Shep.
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All right, well, thank you guys for listening, and thank you to our guests, Kazzy David, David from Love is Blind, and Parisa from The Bachelor. We are back tomorrow for an amazing episode of Going Deeper with Alessia Cara. She has her new album out, Love and Hyperbole.
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It's a great album, but we have an even better conversation with her about just what she's been up to, kind of her break from music that she's taken, why she's back. her music in general. Just a lovely human being and an even better conversation. That is tomorrow on Going Deeper. And then on Thursday of Reality Recap, we have Denise Richards and Chrishell Staus joining us.
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Denise talking about her new hit show on Bravo. Chrishell talking about her exit from Traders. That and so much more. We'll see you all then. Bye.
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Just out of curiosity, why does Paige get Craig's benefit of the doubt? And I only ask this because, like, my perception of this breakup is that Paige, at some point, thought she outgrew Craig. And this is evidenced by, like, comments that she's made or just, like, comments she's liked online, you know? Like...
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Alessia had a new album drop on Valentine's Day. Her album Love and Hyperbole is out. It's an amazing album. Anyways, we got to sit down with her. Alessia, obviously she won a Grammy back in like 2017-ish, something around that. She's had a very great career. She's been kind of quiet lately and kind of like under the radar lately.
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this insinuation that Paige is kind of like wants more someone who's more like in line with her or certainly more compatible with her. And that's fine. We outgrow people. We move on. We fall out of love. That's totally fine. But usually when that happens and I'm not accusing Paige of anything, but sometimes you have a bit of a wondering eye.
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When you feel like you've outgrown a relationship, you kind of start looking around. And again, like that's just human nature. Again, that's not mean she did anything wrong. That's just like a human thing. And then they break up at some point. And then some point recently after, she seems to be start dating some guy.
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Now there's rumors going around about that relationship, how that ended and blah, blah, blah. We're not going to, they're all unverified. But if you're Craig and you start hearing these rumors about, you know, and all of a sudden you get broken up with and it feels like out of the blue and then you start hearing rumors about maybe people have been talking ahead of time.
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Like, why should why should Craig go out of his way to, like, say with 100 percent certainty that he knows Paige didn't do anything? How does he know that? You know what I'm saying? Like, sure, like her, you know, oh, of course she would never do that. Listen, when like most people who get cheated on, when it happens, they think this could never happen to them.
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And they think the person who did it would never do it to them. So now that their relationship's over and she's moved on and she's holding hands with some other guy and seeming really close with another guy, which I'm sure to Craig, even if it's been a few months, feels really early. Why should Craig go out of his way to like have her back?
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And how does he know with absolute certainty that she didn't do anything?
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Paige knows exactly what she's doing too. She's a very smart, very sophisticated person. So you can't accuse Craig of being calculated and Paige not. When Paige picks up cameras and on camera, after like saying she would never talk bad about Craig, talks bad about Craig and accuses him of cheating.
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You know, I just again, if two people have the right to break up, but like Paige is operating as if she assumes her audience and her fans are going to have her back. And she's kind of acting like she should not in any like when you break up with someone, you break someone's heart. You're kind of the bad guy. You're their bad guy.
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it's not she's not a bad guy but like he has the right to be upset with her and if anyone's a fan of Craig's because this is a public relationship and they both have fans like they're allowed to have Craig's back and Paige is kind of operating like you know she didn't do anything wrong and again I don't think she did anything wrong per se but she is kind of
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Yeah, took a little break from music. Anyway, she's back, better than ever, and we got to sit down with her. So that is our Going Deep around Wednesday. But anyways, we were in New York, and I got to wear my Valentine's Day gift. Now I got flowers when we got back from New York.
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I feel like she couldn't stop talking about Scandival.
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Has anyone else from Vanderpump spoken out besides?
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And if she wasn't, like, police would have shown up and she would have said, like, it was a misunderstanding, we were arguing about whatever, like...
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It took like arguing outside for neighbors to hear. Call the police. Police. We know it takes forever for police to show up in L.A.
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And then for that to have been escalated inside. It is. Yeah, it's scary. It's fucked up. He is a piece of shit.
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And also support just all the other women that he has done this to, because I'm sure this is like re-triggering for them to now like.
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Clearly, it will be hard to transition from that into our headlines.
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Yes, we can. What is Tom Sandoval up to these days? Well... 6 a.m. lives?
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She said, wow, you guys were right. Tiger never changes its stripes. He loves the best friend, apparently. I feel like a fool, completely heartbroken.
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Very cryptic.
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I think it's interchangeable. A lion never changes its mane. You know, lots of animals have notable markings in the same way that Tom Sandoval has a notable marking as a cheater.
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Yeah.
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Something like that. So do we know what happened or where is this coming from?
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Yes, we know he loves to stay up all night.
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I mean, she says he loves the best friends apparently, which is an awkward sentence to begin with. Do we know who the best friends?
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Probably right after. I feel like wedding and birth of River are tied. And then this week, this week, that week.
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It's plural. Best friends.
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Kyle Chan is, I think.
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I do I definitely did at some point I was like okay time to hang up the hat I'll keep my drama to myself kind of thing I'll kick the bucket and I'll you know grow the fuck up he is incapable of shame it's crazy I mean, I honestly don't expect either of them to ever like really tell us what the fuck these are about.
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I feel like they're just going to act like nothing happened and then they're going to be back together. They're going to be back together. The photos will be on archive. And then I'll be like, guys, you guys are so dramatic.
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It was definitely right up close to giving birth.
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Oh my gosh. There are lots of drones. Who is working these drones?
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That's a great mystery. So they're just like drones flying around cities and people are like asking questions. It's giving independence. People don't think that it's like some 14-year-old boy in his backyard like playing with a new Christmas toy.
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And she remembered that last year I was pregnant.
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We really chatted with Mary this time.
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and listen to i did genuinely think the world was ending last night because my dog was acting super suspicious and i was hearing noises and i really thought it was it i mean who knows well i thought someone broke in to our house in the backyard because i heard a bang and then like the dogs kind of like chirped up and then i was like nick did someone break in and i turned around and he had headphones in and i was like perfect i'm gonna die it was our neighbor on a ladder it was our neighbor on the ladder
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Selena Gomez is engaged.
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She's what?
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Selena Gomez is engaged to Benny Blanco. And it, you know, people are having some questions, mainly because it looked like he proposed on a set. There also was Taco Bell laying around perfectly, like, staged with the branding facing the camera. So they're like, is it an ad for Taco Bell? Were you on set for a Taco Bell commercial? Did Taco Bell, like,
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She really got engaged with the mark of the ring.
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No, no, no, no, no. It's just like, why is there Taco Bell?
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Also, I think a lot of people are pissed off because she got a marquee.
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She got a marquee diamond as her engagement ring.
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It's like a diamond type of shape. She's a billionaire. No, but it's like that was a very, I think the women who wanted the marquee diamond are now like you made it mainstream. Like she made it the new oval, which Hailey Bieber made oval oval.
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Well, she hasn't made it popular yet because it just happened. But, you know, as soon as Hailey Bieber posted her massive, gigantic oval ring, then that was like, oval is still to this day like the most common shape.
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But I also was like, from the South, there's a lot of boys named River or Rivers.
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Very common.
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But there's also so many of these women upset that it's like.
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Yeah.
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E856 - James Kennedy ARRESTED, Tom Sandoval Goes Live, Ultimatum’s Zaina, SNL’s Heidi Gardner, and RHOSLC
No. Like you thought you were the only one that was going to be upset. Nope. Turns out.
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If you want to be different today, bitch, get around.
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Maybe go gender neutral. Get a band. Get a color diamond.
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She read your mind and like went into your phone notes app where you have like dream wedding engagement ring like listed. She found that.
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They heard I'm a marking diamond and they were like, oh my God.
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He pronounces like every letter.
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I feel like he went to Dick's Boarding Goods and like he bought this jacket along with some like other random man shit.
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Period. Yeah. Did you see what Paris Hilton has done?
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She has done great things. Justin, break it down for us.
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Just makes you want to, like, hug your babies and, like, you know, protect them at all costs. Same thing with the whole, like, we don't need to get into it because it's, you know, been talked about everywhere, but the Hannah, Nurse Hannah, Hannah Bill, I don't know her last name, but the girl who, like,
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started the 17 diapers trend and like hers was about leaving 17 diapers around because I think she was probably lazy and us mothers being like, you're not alone. Here's my take on 17 diapers. I did this like, and she, you know, has been, there's people that are looking into all her videos where she's just like denied her kid food. She said like, it's 30 degrees.
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Yes, we did. But it was our first time we have ever left River. It was a very like.
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He needs a jacket, but I can't afford this $35 jacket. Then her next video is like, trying the $50 sandwich from Subway and then saying that she doesn't change his diapers when he pees because, you know, diapers are expensive and then posting, here's a... There's some stuff about the father. The video of him flinching.
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It's just like seeing stuff like that is just so heartbreaking and it's like, I just can't.
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Someone's definitely not helping out.
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Yeah. We've traveled with her everywhere. We've gone everywhere. We've been like, let's fly my mom in to help us. Like we've, you know, we figured out a way to have River with us everywhere. Now we had just gotten back from Thanksgiving. She had been struggling with like getting over a double ear infection over Thanksgiving. So we were like, you know, let's make this trip in and out.
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Really quick, I just opened Instagram and I see that Luigi, assassin who killed the CEO of UnitedHealthcare, his grandmother left family members millions with the stipulation so long that they didn't commit crimes.
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Looks like he won't be getting his millions. But he probably couldn't use them anyways while being in prison.
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We talked about it a lot with Michael Rappaport in last week's episode.
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Vibes vs. Stats.
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Did we win? Did we lose?
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Didn't we pick that for you?
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Let's fly my mom out to L.A. We left River at home with my mom for 36 hours, maybe.
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We brought Derek with us. So instead of River, we had Derek. So Derek was sitting on your lap. Equally as good.
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Scotty and JR. Yeah. For sure. JR needs to be humbled. He thinks he is the hottest shit to ever walk planet Earth. And he's definitely handsome. He's attractive. As soon as he opens his mouth, he's the ugliest human being I've ever seen. He's the worst personality I think I've ever seen on a television show.
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I mean, so does Scotty. Yeah. Scotty's terrifying.
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He'll be editing this, I'm sure.
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all he apologizes you know he literally does not apologize ever he explains why he's he apologized on when we interviewed him because he had watched it back and he had probably had conversations with aria in real life i don't think he gives a fuck about her or anyone i think he is to watch i don't know him in real life he could be great in real life to watch he is scary
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Yeah, the way Scotty explains his behavior, though, is very, like, no, no, no, like, the way that you see it is wrong. Let me give you the actual... And it's just, like, a completely different off-topic reason as to why he's doing something. And so it's, like, no one's right about him.
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That's also, and I think everyone, I hate when people do this, but I'm going to do it right now. I think everyone watching can agree that like, we don't give a fuck if you're like taking the experiment seriously. It's like that, you know, like, we're suspending our disbelief for television. Yeah. Like they keep saying this as if it's like some sort of excuse to get out of bad behavior.
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It's like, well, I am taking this experiment seriously. And like, I'm trying to like get the most out of this experiment. And it's like, this is your girlfriend of three fucking years. Yeah.
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I don't know. Sandy at that table. Sandy at the changeover.
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Hold on. These were two completely different people. When we had Sandy at the changeover being like, Nick, he tormented me. He neglected me. He disrespected me. He attacked me. He loved bombed me. Like the longest list of terrible things someone can do to you. Yeah. And then like they're right back at home and she's hugging him. She's kissing. That's not someone who's tormenting. Tormented?
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Sorry, I'm not hugging the man who's tormented for me for three weeks.
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It's like, that was insane to me. I did think it was funny how she's sobbing, crying. I don't know if anyone else caught this, but J.R. goes to reach for his handkerchief to give to her, and Nick clocks that he's doing that, and he gets it out faster and hands it to her. And the look on J.R. 's face that he couldn't give her that tissue before Nick could, it was like... Someone kicked his dog.
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Like, I need him to stick to whatever it is that he believes. It's like he is passionate about something. And then five seconds later, he's like, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I shouldn't have said that. I shouldn't have done this. And it's like, well, OK, but let's stop. But I feel like you don't owe an apology right now. Like, I don't know.
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That feels valid, right? Like you're in this relationship. I guess I don't really understand the part of like he's neglecting her, but he also wants to marry her. It's like how I guess two things can be true at once. But I get that. Like he's not present. He doesn't see her. And then they go in this experiment and she's like with this other guy.
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And he's all of a sudden like, holy fuck, you know, he wants what he can't have. Totally understand that.
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They have not been clear on the what is the attacking? What is the tormenting? What has he been doing? Because if it's just texting you and calling you while he's having a mental breakdown because he misses you.
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I am excited to ask Zaina if she has any insight on that.
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How did you feel leaving River? Like, did you feel like we... I was really proud of us.
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They're still lying.
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But they're also saying Nick and Zaina are referring to like a hot tub kiss. Right. A jacuzzi kiss. I think, Sandy, we didn't see that one. We saw the one at the table before the when the dating was happening, when they were just picking who they wanted. They did kiss in the pool. That's four kisses. Yeah. They had sex. I think they had sex, too. But.
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Even if they didn't.
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This ass smacking. Ass smacking. You can't wear that.
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Yeah. It's kind of hard to believe. If you're going to tell me what I cannot wear, you better be fucking me. Literally. Why would you tell me you can't wear that without me? You can't wear that. We're just pecking? You think you've that control over me if we're just pecking?
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It's like at least just say you don't know. It's like how many times? Honestly, can't remember.
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Because giving a number and then being wrong about that number.
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That's the truth behind it, but he's saying a lot of people use that excuse as to why...
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I also don't think we can say that Sandy loves him when... She's sitting at a table in front of all these people, in front of all these cameras, and accusing this person she loves of attacking her. Those are strong words. Attack, torment. She is using inflammatory words. Those are huge words.
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Yeah.
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What am I doing? It was definitely like, it felt odd for us to be free. Oh my God. He's in shackles. It felt odd for us to be like out and not be like, oh, we have to change a diaper or, oh, we need to like figure out her lunch. Like just to, yeah, not have to work, like to know that she was being taken care of so well.
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Yeah.
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Let's ask Zaina about it.
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Zaina is here and ready.
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Literally. I was like, I haven't watched a movie on an airplane.
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On screen. And he, you just watched that back. He never admitted to how many or what they did.
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And then I think to have Sandy at Girls Night reassure you in a way of like, we're just friends. It's never been anything. What was that like to clearly watch back that she was lying?
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Yeah. I'm sure people don't.
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At the changeover, we heard Sandy accuse Nick of some pretty intense things. She used very strong words against him, such as you attacked me, you love bomb us.
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tormented tormented me do you know of anything that had happened that like maybe we obviously as viewers aren't you were there during the experiment because all that we are aware of is that he was texting and calling her a lot which as someone who was dating someone for three years that feels normal but i don't know if you know more yeah it looked like sandy was tormenting nick and then he was reacting to the torment but
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Of course I did.
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They were like.
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But no, I'm definitely proud of us for, I think that's a huge moment.
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Did he ever show any signs of any shadiness or anything before like this show? Just like in the three years of your relationship?
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I was talking about Leaving River. But yeah, for sure.
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But he has a girlfriend. So I'm not going to book this trainer.
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We want to go and work out. We don't want to be fucking hit on. So you know what? The fact that you have a girlfriend, I feel safer. Right.
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Maybe it was a little harsh. But I said that Jr needs to be humbled. I think he is attractive. But as soon as he opens his mouth, he is ugly. And I don't think he has. And this is just from watching this show. He has not shown a great personality. He's not shown that he's a good partner. He's not shown really any good qualities about himself. I think him, you know, smacking Sandy on the ass.
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I think him saying like, oh, you're going to wear that without me. Then claim that like, oh, all you've ever done is peck. I just, you know, I just don't believe you, unfortunately.
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We would have to have JR to do that, and I don't know if we will since he's asking for $10,000 to do press.
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I do want to switch really quickly to Scotty. You obviously spent some time with him. We interviewed him a week ago. Last week.
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It was right after the whole like cryotherapy and hot air balloon eating breakfast without him.
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James Kennedy, the piece of shit that he is.
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In the moment when that whole you're cleaning up the apartment and he's like, you go to the bathroom at 132 in the morning and you take your phone and you're texting JR. Like, what were you thinking in that moment?
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So law enforcement sources tell TMZ, which love that for law enforcement. They're like, you know what? We don't give a fuck. We're going to tell TMZ what this shitbag did. Burbank, California police were dispatched to a home in the area Tuesday night after receiving a call about an argument between him and a woman.
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At the changeover, he talked about how Sandy's family invited him to Christmas, and he was like, I'm probably gonna go. And, like, knowing he's about to go and live with his girlfriend for three weeks, I, like... I don't understand this guy at all. Like, did that conversation ever come up of like, are you good? Like, are you okay? Are you okay?
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You look great. I mean, we are excited to see what happens at proposal. I can only hope with my fingers and my toes crossed that you are not.
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A witness saw Kennedy and the woman arguing with the reality TV star allegedly grabbing her at one point, though were told officers did not see any visible injuries on her. After investigating the situation, police say they determined it was a domestic incident, leading to James being arrested for misdemeanor domestic violence. Sources say Kennedy was released after posting a $20,000 bail.
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I want to buy everything you're selling.
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Give everyone brand deals. I don't want to buy anything from JR or Scotty. Or honestly, Vanessa and Dave. Or Chanel and Micah. We didn't get to know them. We didn't. And that's why I don't need...
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Appreciate y'all for having me. All right. Take care. Bye Zaina.
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She's great.
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Exactly. Your butthole.
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Even worse. If Nick ever said my behind, jail. Jail immediately.
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Ew. It's awful. It's really bad. Just take a shower.
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And then the arrest log came out. And in that arrest log, it says that James was arrested December 10th in a home in Burbank on a misdemeanor charge of domestic battery upon a spouse or cohabitant after a unidentified woman inside stated her boyfriend lifted her up and threw her to the ground.
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That is a great question. I feel like a lot of it, unfortunately, probably has to do to injuries and what the- Physical injuries.
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I recently saw you talk about your Beavis and Butthead break in character during that skit. And I went and watched it. And I don't think I have laughed harder. I think it is so funny when y'all break character. I know it's probably looked down upon, I'm sure. You try your hardest not to do that. You take pride in not doing that. But it was so funny.
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It's like after I feel like we record here, obviously it's a lot of talking and then I get home and our babysitter has like the Alexa playing some like Disney song really loud. And I'm like, please turn it off. I need silence.
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Yeah. The whole rooms situation. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, Lisa had drink.
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Where did you stand on high body count hair and Cornish vibes?
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I think it's sad because I think Kristen tried to talk about this, but I think everyone called her crazy. So no one believed her.
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We could have had Brittany without knowing that she.
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It's the making an announcement. Not even her first.
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There's a lot of decisions you have to make when you have a baby, and the one that I feel the most comfortable and safe making is using Huggies for our daughter, River. The new Huggies Skin Essentials are here. A brand new dermatologist-approved line of diapers, wipes, and pull-ups training pants are all designed with baby's sensitive skin in mind.
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Yeah. Has there been anyone that you've kind of, like, channeled throughout your skits from any of the housewives? Like, have you taken any inspiration from anyone? You know what's interesting is recently, two weeks ago, I did a character...
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Him telling Molly that she shouldn't eat the cupcake. Oh, my God. Oh, no. Was like the most insane thing. Yeah, that was right at the end. And the way he said it was just so, yeah, you probably have 10 minutes left. But he was like, you probably shouldn't eat that. Yeah. And it was jarring. Miss Pat was mad. Yeah. Nick and I don't really understand the Miss Pat of it all.
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It's kind of giving the Lisa Vanderpump of Vanderpump, you know, just kind of someone who pops in and out and you don't really understand their character.
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She was typing it as if he was holding a gun to her head.
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I know. I want to see him just like on like an island selling timeshares, you know? Yeah.
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And seeing it on like a beach bar, you know?
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it's i don't know just like the summer at least i don't know uh we had ego on a while back and we very much picked her brain on on all things snl i do want to know if there's a favorite sketch of yours that did not make it into final cuts i did one last season we did it a couple times to come trying to get it on me and a couple of the writers jimmy and kira where i
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Didn't he? I saw something about Rachel where she was saying that like she had just gotten her nose done and he had like hit her nose or bumped quotes, bumped her nose. And she was like, I'm going to have to tell my doctor.
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What are you going to bring?
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E856 - James Kennedy ARRESTED, Tom Sandoval Goes Live, Ultimatum’s Zaina, SNL’s Heidi Gardner, and RHOSLC
we love that that is good i do feel like i'm always like oh well if i mix the hydrangeas with the roses it'll give and then i'm like well that looks like shit looks like shit and we don't have all the things to put in the bottom of the vase where you can like
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E856 - James Kennedy ARRESTED, Tom Sandoval Goes Live, Ultimatum’s Zaina, SNL’s Heidi Gardner, and RHOSLC
The Skin Essentials diapers features the Skin Protect Liner, which is what helps take care of the ick and stick that can cause rash.
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E856 - James Kennedy ARRESTED, Tom Sandoval Goes Live, Ultimatum’s Zaina, SNL’s Heidi Gardner, and RHOSLC
Amen.
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E856 - James Kennedy ARRESTED, Tom Sandoval Goes Live, Ultimatum’s Zaina, SNL’s Heidi Gardner, and RHOSLC
I hope his DJ career is... I believe he lost his residency in Vegas. Fuck him. Let's go. Allie did post a Instagram story. She posted and said, Thank you to everyone who has reached out with love and support and for checking in on me. I'm okay and taking the time I need right now. I deeply appreciate all the kindness and respect for my privacy during this time.
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E856 - James Kennedy ARRESTED, Tom Sandoval Goes Live, Ultimatum’s Zaina, SNL’s Heidi Gardner, and RHOSLC
Kristen posted the headline saying, finally, Rachel Raquel Levis posted, or I guess her attorneys stated that we're aware of James Kennedy's recent arrest for domestic violence. This news is unfortunately not surprising. Rachel's revenge porn lawsuit describes in significant detail Mr. Kennedy's long history of erratic, violent behavior and substance abuse.
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E856 - James Kennedy ARRESTED, Tom Sandoval Goes Live, Ultimatum’s Zaina, SNL’s Heidi Gardner, and RHOSLC
In protecting James, yeah.
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E856 - James Kennedy ARRESTED, Tom Sandoval Goes Live, Ultimatum’s Zaina, SNL’s Heidi Gardner, and RHOSLC
I have not.
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E856 - James Kennedy ARRESTED, Tom Sandoval Goes Live, Ultimatum’s Zaina, SNL’s Heidi Gardner, and RHOSLC
As someone who's been in a domestic abuse relationship, like, there is so much manipulation involved where, like, you feel like you have to protect that person. So, like, I totally understand where, you know, in the moments Kristen or Rachel or Allie have felt like they needed to say, like, no, that's not happening. No, like, you're wrong because... They want to protect the person they love.
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E856 - James Kennedy ARRESTED, Tom Sandoval Goes Live, Ultimatum’s Zaina, SNL’s Heidi Gardner, and RHOSLC
They don't want to seem like, you know, that's their life or that's the reality. Because, you know, for me, at least it was like embarrassing that I allowed a man to hit me. You know, it was like, you know, I was raised my whole life of like you stand up to men and you my mom's, you know, was like, you're an independent woman. You like would never allow that.
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E856 - James Kennedy ARRESTED, Tom Sandoval Goes Live, Ultimatum’s Zaina, SNL’s Heidi Gardner, and RHOSLC
And so for me to allow that to happen, it was embarrassing. Right. So it's like I would never admit that to anyone. And so I just like feel so much for these women who you know, went through this and felt like they couldn't tell anyone and felt like they were alone. And like, I mean, I just, I really hope that Allie takes this. If it is Allie, you know, clearly they don't name her in this arrest.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Like it was really sweet. Like I have a video of them where he's just sitting and he's like looking at me and she just is going up to him and like hugging him and like leaning in and giving him kisses. It was so sweet. And she actually can say we call him Lily and she was saying Lily. It was really cool.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Why are we nesting?
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
You nest when you're like pregnant and you're like about to have a baby.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
I mean.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
I do feel like I birthed Leo I feel like he's like my child who I like had to you know I was too young I had to put him up for adoption you know and like I finally find him again and like we reunite and it like he doesn't forget me which is so anyone who thinks like dogs forget them they don't he like it's so excited when we see each other and he could definitely confirm that he definitely remembers Natalie for sure
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
It's so sweet. So a sweet reunion.
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Yeah, I feel like I would be super excited up until they're like, alright, get on the rocket. And I'm like, I think I'm good.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Do you think she knew that the flight takeoff was the same weekend as Coachella one?
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
He seemed to be all right. I did see Stormi Webster was there watching her dad, Travis Scott, set, which was really cool. She was on the shoulders of someone watching her dad, which I think is so cool.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
She was driving a golf cart.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
It's like, you know, as soon as I see a golf cart, I'm like, I'm driving.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Or Justin's with his friends. So she's like, you sit in the back with your friends and I'll drive.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Like that happens a lot. SNL did a skit trying to like called the White POTUS. I think they're, you know, hop on the train of the White Lotus hype and stuff and made it about Donald Trump and his family. Yeah.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Anyways, but Amy Lou Wood responded to Sarah Sherman's portrayal of her and described it as mean and unfunny. And so I was like, oh, I wonder. I usually find SNL funny. Let me go watch it. And it literally was so unfunny that I was like, no, she's right.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
We did not. I didn't have any ounce of FOMO, I'll be honest. Me neither. Nope.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
allegedly that's not true but that's usually the sign of blocking but allegedly did you see jason isaac's interview on uh nbc some some news channel where he's getting interviewed about she's like trying to talk to him about the robe scene he was like would you ask margaret qualley or mikey madison if like those are her actual parts like no you wouldn't so stop asking men if like those are prosthetics or their actual part the interviewer was like yeah i
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
would I would ask them what those women it's like no you wouldn't you would not ask and be like are those your boobs or prosthetics was that your actual vagina that I saw on like no you would never ask a question so like I was like oh good for him for standing up for like that of himself he's like I'm not talking about my penis on television it's like
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Do you think they're going to make a notes app or a black screen apology?
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Not them saying, we deeply regret that a roach was found.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
You say thank you, and you say yes sir and yes ma'am to those roaches at 7-Eleven. Yes, you do.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Vacation season is upon us, and this year we're treating ourselves to luxe upgrades we deserve with Quince's high-quality travel essentials at fair prices.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
They also have a luggage line, which is so good. They have a carry-on and medium check-in suitcase bundle, which for me, I'm very much an overpacker. And the amount of space in this carry-on suitcase is insane. It has a TSA-approved lock. It's an organizer's dream. It features interior compression panels to help you pack more, plus removable laundry bags to contain your dirty clothes.
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It comes in navy blue, dark green, black, and tan. And you save 10% when you buy the bundle.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
I talked about Branch Basics recently on my Instagram, and I'm here to talk about it again because they are so good. Listen, it's hard when you have pets, you have children, and you want to find the cleanest, most non-toxic products to spray around your house. And before I had kids and before I had pets, I was buying anything. And let me tell you, there is a lot of bad things in anything.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
And Branch Basics has no synthetic fragrances, no harsh chemicals, just real effective cleaning that is safe for babies, pets, and the planet. Branch Basics is a human safe and biodegradable, making it perfect for families, especially those with babies, kids, or pets. Switching to Branch Basics isn't just better for your health, it's better for your wallet.
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On average, each bottle costs just $2.13, less than most conventional cleaners, but with safer, high-quality ingredients. That means you're getting a premium, truly human-safe cleaning system at a fraction of the cost of traditional products. I love spraying the all-purpose cleaner
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Really? I feel like that hasn't come and gone off your For You page?
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Did you see Ramona's picture on Instagram? Yeah.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
She loved it. I do have a gripe with everyone at Coachella this year, though. Everyone? I will say. Everyone. Well, everyone that I follow. Because, you know, they don't stop with the Instagram story posts. They don't stop. Which is fine. Post your content. I get it. I want to see it. I'm sitting in bed. I'm scrolling. But...
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It just like wasn't edited. So actually, the network doesn't want this photo out there. You need to remove it.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
How are you? Where are you sitting with like the Lexi Jesse relationship?
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
And there's just no answer that I'm not pissed about. At the end of the day, it was a threesome and there was naked body parts and you were watching the naked body parts. And I'm not interested in that, you know?
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
No, Lisa, what's crazy is the like switch up from his confessionals to like what he's saying in front of her. Like he knows they're going to put that seconds after. He knows how the show works. And he just has no shame in his confessionals.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
You're going to record Lady Gaga's hit song Alejandro and only post the intro. Like these people are only posting like the most random clips of these songs. And it's like if you're going to post someone set on Instagram, you better put the chorus. You better put the most banging part of the song. Yeah.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
full-blown lying you know lexi confronting sierra about the like flirting she's like i just like know y'all are brother and sister i mean they're definitely not brother and sister you know no even sierra's face when she when she was saying it was just kind of like um okay that's an interesting take on that
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Because if I'm trying to sing it, I'm in bed, I'm trying to sing along, and it cuts off right before the beat drops, I'm pissed.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Have y'all ever had that? A coughing like where you are so embarrassed. You're like, it's a little tickle in your throat and you're like, this is going to be and everyone's going to ask you if you're OK because you're going to look like you're dying.
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And especially around barbecue sauce, you know? Yeah.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
They were cracking seafood, like butter.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Well.
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What did you make of Lindsay being like, well, your little girlfriend, the home wrecking whore, like that whole scene at the Shabbat dinner?
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I will say it was so funny to watch, like, Paige have that moment in the beginning where she's like, listen, Lindsay Hubbard does not admit when she's wrong. And then to have her be like, you were seeing this bitch while we were talking. Prove it. Prove it. And then he proves it. She's like, but still, you need to tell her.
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Yes, over Shabbat. What is your reaction to your ex-boyfriend saying he prays for you?
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Oh, that's kind. He's like respecting me. He's just being like, I'm gonna be like, how old do you think I am? You think sir is also means like someone's old.
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That's fine. But you have to then post again them singing like an iconic song. you know if you're gonna post I want to see Gaga with the skeleton singing zombie boy yes of course this started when I saw friend of show Kelsey Anderson post Lady Gaga intro to Alejandro and it's like you coming for Kelsey Well, that's what made me think of it.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Wait, I have so many questions about your taco with the German shepherd.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Yeah, I bet they were like, oh my, get this girl on the phone right now.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
If you keep running away from this person but not leaving the vicinity, there's an issue here. She just keeps running in circles.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
I do need Kyle or Teddy or someone to come out on their Instagram stories and give us some context.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
What's crazy is that morning I watched Teddy post a story being like, I'm getting out. I'm on a walk with my girls. And it's like the beginning of that walk. And she's with Kyle and she's with the other woman. And she's like, happy to be outside, happy to be on a walk. And it's like, well, this is how it ended. I need some context.
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And then the more I kept scrolling, she was my first person on my Instagram stories. The more I kept going, everyone was doing it. And I was like, no, what is happening? All Kelsey posted was the, I never want to feel like this anymore, Alejandro. And then that was it. And her story was over. And it went to like... A picture of this cloud. And I was like, no, Kelsey, keep going.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Oh, I've been fighting with people on the phone for far too long about deliveries. We were supposed to get a rug delivered, which first of all, why they set this up this way. They set it up for like a white glove delivery. Like I don't need... someone to bring this in. It's a rug. Leave it on my doorstep. Like I'll roll it out whenever I feel like rolling out.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
But they're they delivered it to like a third party delivery center. And they are they've like pushed my delivery date four times now. And now they're like, oh, like, oh, it's too busy. Like they can't put it on the truck. And I was like, well, can I come pick it up? And they're like, well, you have to get like
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
confirmation from the sender and I'm like well put him on the phone call him right now well three way he's like no they gotta send an email I'm like I I don't even want you to do this like I just wanted it UPS dropped off at my door I didn't sign up for this and I've been yelling at people for so long I was pretty impressed though I'm enraged for you did they get it No.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
No, literally. I said, he said, ma'am, it's not going to be that hard to get you your rug. And I said, well, if it's not going to be that hard, I need you to drive. Get in your car. I need you to drive to the warehouse. I need you to put my rug in your personal car and then drive it to my house.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
And I'm like, well, how can I make sure that I never, ever let a package that I'm having delivered be delivered to your warehouse? He's like, I don't understand the question. I don't know how I can make it any clearer. I never want to work with you people again.
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And then she says, or a record of her shots. I was like, huh? I'm sorry. You think I got her from the pound? Like a record of her shots.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
The baby monitor allows you to see your baby from anywhere, anytime, when you're at work, traveling, or having a date night. So you can stay connected all from the Nanit app. The high def camera means you can actually see your baby. No grainy images where you can't see what's happening. I always like to zoom in and like watch her breathing. Like just checking, you know.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Then she says, well, do you have a photo of her in the hospital? I'm like, ma'am, are you just trying to see pictures of my baby as a newborn?
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Like he's about to show her the video of me giving birth.
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It didn't give me FOMO. That's the thing. I had 0% FOMO. I just wanted to like be in bed, be cozy, have my skincare done, be breathing like fresh air, right? And be able to just like sing along and like do a little shoulder shrug in bed. And I couldn't do that.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
That's exactly what I said. And she was like, well, there's no photos on a birth certificate. And I'm like, no, I get that. But you just switched what your ask was. It started with birth certificate. And then do you have any photos of her in the hospital?
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Yeah, they meet in the break room and they're like, oh my God, I got the best people.
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No.
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It wasn't that bad. Have you ever been convinced to order a particular piece of whatever it is like in store? Like you go to a store and like, oh, we don't have that. We can order it for you. You're like, no, it's okay. They're like, but it'll be free shipping. And you're like, OK, like, sure, I guess.
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Like, I just spent 10 minutes like searching our back shipment for like this size of shirt and we don't have it. So you might as well just order it because I spent so much time. You're like, OK, sure, let's order it. We did that in a store where we ordered it in person because the girl and I was going to order it online. The girl really was pushing. I'm like, she really wants that commission.
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She wants that commission really bad. And then it has I haven't gotten any notification about like, oh, it's shipped. It's on the way. Nothing. So we go into the store yesterday. Nick's like, it's almost like we gave you our money for nothing. She was like, oh, well, let me just get right on that right now.
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We hope so. We haven't gotten any update, so we'll see.
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What? You're against me?
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They're edging. They are content creators.
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Yeah, because I think that like contradicts her claim of being like it's not revenge porn. It's all over the Internet. Like all I had to do was just search her name. And if someone gave it to her, then that means like it was a little bit more under the table. Mm-mm. Got you.
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YouTube. YouTube.
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At Macy and Madeline's event in New York, The Sink Show, we met someone who works for Frank Ocean. And I was like, oh, that's so cool. And he was like, yeah, he hasn't done anything in a while. I'm like, he really hasn't. Like, what actually do you do for him if you work for him? What are you doing?
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First of all, I forget that people camp at Coachella because it is like the most thing I would never want to do. I mean, camping in general. I would never want to do it ever in my life. But to do it at Coachella with all that dust in that heat with all those people. What?
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Also, Father's Day is coming up.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
With the camera quality, the Nanit monitor captures every moment. Not only do we know that our baby is safe and sound, we also never miss milestones. So we've got those first words on video forever. I always like to go back and like if I'm laying in the crib with her, if we're doing something and like watch the video back of us snuggling or something cute and save it for later.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Thank you so much.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
It's so awesome being here. Have you gotten your money yet? I know Gabby, Wendy, winner of Traders, was bitching about not getting her money immediately.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
How much is your standard GA Coachella ticket?
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Well, I doubt that they're going to get it for $700. I'm sure that as people do for this stuff, the resale...
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Did you clock anybody's secret agenda before you knew that it was like a secret? Did you, you know, like Lauren being like, oh, cry me a river. Were you like, that's definitely something, but didn't say anything?
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Yeah, definitely wasn't good acting, like the way that she was falling.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
I guess, because you don't really want to hurt yourself. But yeah, the way that she was falling, it was fair. I mean, I think Sam called it, but her being like, she cleared both of those steps and then fell.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
What did you think of Se-young's emotional response to the where were you sitting at breakfast question?
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
What did your co-workers, did they know that you were on the show when you came back that you'd won a million dollars?
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Wow.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
I know that, like, I feel like In-N-Out's trends on TikTok go very viral. You know, whatever the Kylie Jenner is eating. How, like, frustrating or was it frustrating at all for people to come in and order these, like, crazy off-menu, secret menu things?
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Listen, there's like an art to it. They're hard to figure out how to work. And my hair does not look good with a lot of volume. I know someone, a troll once told me my hair was super flat. Well, guess what? I like it that way.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
What game do you play? Do you know if Sydney and Chris are like hanging out?
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
I don't know if that's my right hair. I'll teach you how to use it.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
That's so fun. You seem like you have such a good group of people around you, like really supportive, very much there for you, a good family, good friends. And that's really beautiful to see.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Who's in your Mount Rushmore of game players?
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
It was on sale.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Leah. You know what? Like to make sure no one. It was pretty monogrammed. Like this is my air wrap. No one's gonna, it's no one's gonna get confused.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Yeah. I mean, it doesn't excuse it, but it definitely is like not shocking to me.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
It was great. Thank you. Did you do it this morning? Yesterday.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
It is extra flippy. I carried.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
You also got a haircut. I did. That's crazy that you went from like, yeah, let me chop my hair off. And like, oh, I also need a Dyson air wrap to curl this short hair. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I told Sierra. I don't know how many people look good with a Dyson Airwrap short bob. I don't know. Maybe it's just because I don't know how to do it. No, no, that's exactly where I went wrong.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Wait, Natalie, what's something that you thought? The first time I ever went to L.A., I went with my sister and my niece and like a family friend. Our family friend works with like animals on sets, like movie sets, like make sure the animals are being properly cared for and whatever. Yeah. So she was working in L.A. on some set of something. And me, my sister, my niece all came to visit her.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
I was fresh out of a relationship of two years and was broke, had zero money to my name. And we went to L.A. And my sister usually like would take care of me, pay for everything, whatever. But we go to Rodeo Drive and I was like, well, I have to buy something like I'm on Rodeo Drive. So I buy a Gucci purse. Well, I try to buy a Gucci purse. I still have it.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
I don't think I'll ever get rid of it just because it's like this is my first. And I went to swipe my card and she was like, oh, it's declining. And so I like looked at my bank account and I was $200 short. So I like text my ex-boyfriend at the time and I'm like, hey. I need $200 trying to buy this purse. And he's like at work.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
I'm like calling him like, you have to take a break because I'm at the checkout. Like they're waiting on me. I have a line behind me. I need $200. I have to get this purse. He's like, Natalie, we broke up. I'm like, I don't care. I need it. And he sends me $200. And I like had four different forms of payment and bought this Gucci purse.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
And the rest of the time, my sister was like, she got a purse with no money in it.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Yeah, I do. I'll never get rid of it.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
And sister-in-law with their two dogs came to visit us too. My brother is like a woodworker and does like construction type stuff. So he helped with some house projects and they brought their two dogs. One of which was the dog that I got with an ex-boyfriend.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
The same ex-boyfriend who gave me the $200. Yes, yes, yes, yes. We also got a dog together. We got a mini Australian Shepherd. His name is Leo. Beautiful. Beautiful, right? And he held him hostage when we broke up. It was this whole thing. We all had a nasty relationship I've talked about before. Anyways, well, when I finally got out of the relationship, I lived in my car for a while.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
So I didn't take Leo because I was like, I'm living in my car. I can't take this dog. He also wouldn't allow me to take the dog. So then I was so sick. I went to go see my brother-in-law, who's a doctor. And he was like, whoa, you're like, you're skinny as hell, baby. Why you look like this? That's how he talks. And I was like, I was like, I'm going through a breakup.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
And he was like, you're coming to live with us. So I moved in with my sister, Amanda, on her farm. And she was like, bring Leo here. Like, he'll be fine. So I bring him here. Long, long, longest story ever. He ends up in the care of My brother and my sister-in-law. Longest story ever. We don't need to shade anybody, but that is where he is now.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Currently in the hands of my brother and sister-in-law. Well, River is now... She met him at Thanksgiving, but now she loves dogs. She knows how to pet dogs the right way. She knows how to play with dogs. And to see the two of them together was so sweet. It was like my first baby and my first baby, you know?
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E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
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E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
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E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
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E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Yeah.
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E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
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E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
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E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
100%.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
And I believe that she tried to cover it up.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I actually believe if she did it, she should be charged with a murder too because that means all those alleged phone calls and it was all her like knowing what she did but trying to cover her tracks.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
No, I asked Sierra.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
You can't say that she's so drunk that she hit him and didn't know but then also was so drunk that she like moved to mastermind and cover it all up.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
You asked Sierra? Yeah.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I think she's convinced herself she didn't do it. I think she did it and I think she's convinced herself she didn't do it.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Oh, my God. At this stage of her season life that Cindy's in, I don't know if sending her to Beverly Hills is the move.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
And when they looked into all those people, the only thing they found was that Karen Reed was having like the beginnings of an affair with one of those cops that she initiated. And again, it makes way more sense when they drove over to that house that she didn't want to go in that house. And that's probably what started the fight.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
That's that's weird. And I don't know. And again, that doesn't mean they kill.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Why is she giving her sister a heads up that now police and ambulance are coming?
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I clearly don't know what happened. And it's like the state has not proved how it's gone by. I mean, the state can't even say for sure that this was a murder like the autopsy. Again, I don't think they've done their job.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
How can you say that if a medical examiner can't?
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
If you're asking my gut opinion.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Sorry, he has a doctorate in homicide. Literally, what do you make of the medical examiner who's like, this was not a homicide?
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
All I'm saying, it's way more believable that she had something to do with it than these other people. That's what I'm saying.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
But a medical examiner doesn't agree with you.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
No, a medical examiner is saying that she can't say that this was definitely a homicide versus an accident, or she can't even say exactly how he died.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
She said that he was not hit by that car.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
What do you make of his DNA being on her car?
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Honey, they were together for two years. What do you mean? Like, let's search your car for my DNA.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Period. Period. No, I woke up and Nick let me sleep in. To what time? And we love. He let me do that last year.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Through a snow melting off of a car.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I understand there are crooked cops out there. And I imagine the people of this town, Boston, is it? You know, I imagine the free Karen Reid movement has a lot to do with the pent up rage that they have that were a lot of like civilians have been victimized by crooked cops. I understand all that.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
But I'm just saying when you look at the versions of events and you look at the stories, the story that she had something to do with it is just so much more believable than the other one.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I understand that the fact that he was a cop and the other cops were investigating him, they probably didn't.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I have a question. I agree with you. There was not proper police work, and as a result, she should be acquitted. I don't think they've done their job to prove that she did it. I have a question. But I still think she probably did. His best friend is convinced it's her.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Just to be clear, you guys have a bunch of theories that don't prove her innocence. You just have gut feelings.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I'm not saying she definitely did it. I'm saying her version is less believable than theirs.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Oh, wow.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
That's not what I'm saying. You're saying you know she's innocent.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Okay. I'm sorry, my love.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
What if in that house there was a baseball bat and there was blood on the ground?
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
That's possible. And it would make sense for the- What if there's a vampire in there that-
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
No, seriously. And it would make sense that that's where the skull fracture, that he was hit by something. And then there's blood on the ground from, and they, since they didn't search that house, they got rid of that baseball bat and they cleaned up that blood.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Really? Eight.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Yeah, definitely possible. Possible that any one of those people did it. It's possible that he hit himself with a baseball bat.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
So it's also possible that Karen Reed didn't do it.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Yeah, of course.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Absolutely possible. Tom Schwartz is here, everybody.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
what's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of the vile files reality recap edition i am your host nick and i have survived mother's day give it up for me he did he did a great job it's a pass or fail uh situation you know what i'm saying like right or or do you or is it like or or is it like a letter grading your mind well
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
No, you did bring River in. That's true. I brought River in with a gift. So you did wake me up. You literally woke me up. You brought River in and she went, Mama! And you said, Happy Mother's Day. We have a gift. And you gave me a card and a present. And Rivvy gave me... Correction.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
It was 8.45. I know this because I looked at the clock and I said, well, River's going to have to go down for her nap soon. And I imagine Mom's going to want to see daughter before she goes down for her first nap.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
You're a Seminole.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Do you know these people, Sierra?
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Did it make you really sad to be at Summer House and to see everyone so family oriented?
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
What time does River wake up?
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
It was kind of a sad moment in your appearance at Summer House when you brought that up and you were like, now we all hate each other. How true is that statement?
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
6.15-ish.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Yeah. Yeah, it just feels disjointed. Are we finding out who our real friends are?
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
She has a 6 a.m. She'd wake up and then she goes down for a nap at like 9.30, like an hour and a half. Regimented. It is. So I had this very beautiful card that was written. Who picked out the card? I did. You got that card?
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
She sees no wrong. They're implants.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
To which I replied, Mondrian? And Tom was like, how did you know? Uncanny. And it was a bit of a callback. I don't know if you realize this, but that pool, you could argue. I'm at the stage of my life where I'm being a little reflective of things. And I definitely believe in the butterfly effect. And there's just moments in your life that you look back and go, wow, that was kind of pivotal.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I didn't realize it then. But that pool, that hotel, pivotal in my life. I don't think we're all sitting here today if I don't go to that hotel.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Miami Girl. Maybe. Maybe.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I think, you know.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
But yeah, that pool, I was a model for a hot second following my second stint in vaccination.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Can you find some photos, Justin?
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Well, it was after following my second stint on reality TV. I was roaming the streets of Chicago. The first time I went back to work right away. The second time I was like, I got to at least let this play out. And I went to go visit some of my friends at Salesforce. And I was walking outside of Salesforce.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
And this lovely woman named Gwen Pepper stopped me on the street and she's like, have you ever modeled before? And she worked for Wilhelmina Miami and she had just gone to Chicago because she was like scouting for like Chicago talent. Knowing, having no idea that I was ever on the bachelorette.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Okay. It was just an interesting looking card.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
And anyways, Gwen Pepper signed me to Wilhelmina Miami and they sent me down where that's like Wilhelmina Miami. I don't know if their offers are still at the Mondrian, but that's where they were. And they like, I pretended to be a model for a week and did some photo shoots and things like that. And then after a while I was like, I'm not good at this.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
But Gwen then introduced me to my first LA agent. His name was Jack. And if I don't meet Gwen, I probably just go back to work after the summer. I'm sure the summer would have died down. I would have been like, I got nothing going on and I would have just gone back to work. So shout out to Gwen Pepper out there.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
There was like an owl on the front. There was a wall of Mother's Day cards, and I was like, there was a wall of Mother's Day cards, and I went eeny, meeny, miny, and I'll take this one.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Well, then it made me think, knowing that you were going to come here, I was just like, we are relatively in the same season of life. I don't like to put a number on it because that's...
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
calling us out but we're in the same similar seasons of life and we also started reality tv at a relatively similar time and it made me wonder i i wonder if you and i sat down and had a heart-to-heart like what things we would relate to when it comes to our experience on reality tv and what things would be very different because we do come from two very different worlds like abc bachelor vanderpump bravo do we feel like this is the place to do that
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I don't know. I mean, I promised Tom a relatively fun experience. Softballs only.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Well, he does have gray in his hair. Do you want to talk about the gray in your hair?
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
There was a bedazzled owl on the front, and at first I was like, is this even a Mother's Day card? It might have said, like, Happy Groundhog's Day or something. I'm not sure. Well, our daughter was born on Groundhog's Day, so that would have... No, she was. Happy Mother's Day. Yeah, and it was a very beautiful written card. Nick wrote a very sweet message, and River also wrote me a sweet message.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Do you feel like the new Vanderpump just honestly doesn't really have a shot?
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Villa?
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
No, no, no.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
See, I'm very confused by Villa versus the new Vanderpump.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Are they calling it Vanderpump? Yep, they are. It's Vanderpump Rules. They're calling it Vanderpump Rules.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
No, of course. Well, I'll watch it.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
But I'm just curious. You can't be rooting for them. You can't be rooting for them. You can't be rooting for them. I know the Tom Sports answer is like, of course, I want everyone to be happy. I love everybody. But like deep down, we don't.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I don't think lightning can strike twice in the same spot.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Especially in 2025, because you guys were authentic. You really were like truly dysfunctional.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
That's why Vanderpump Villa, I don't think is quite landing because you have a bunch of like wannabe yous. And I think... Are you crying?
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
You're hot? Do you have something under it?
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Do you want to sit here shirtless?
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Are we asking you hard questions?
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Y'all probably were going out for the same job.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I was a model for, I barely, I don't even think I booked a gig.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
It's possible. Imagine how crazy that would be.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
No, I don't think so. Because I would have been like, guys, I love you, but we're very different.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Listen, you need drama for a reality TV show. And Nick and I are in a place in our relationship where we just...
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
We do want to protect our peace and our daughter. And I say this about, like, for example, The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is about to debut. They give. You guys gave.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
You really, I mean, like, I don't think, you know, for all the commentary and snark and criticisms and critiques that we have, you know, I guess even for Jax Taylor, you know, it's like, for us to enjoy it, it requires people like you and even people like Jax to just believe be whoever they wanna be.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
And whether that's a dysfunctional, mentally unwell person, who is maybe an emotional terrorist to his family, or someone as lovable as you. What do you know that I don't? But you guys truly are willing to be your truest self. And we like to share bits and pieces of our life. But no, I do not feel compelled to be like, you know what?
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I owe my audience a front row seat at everything that goes on in my life.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
But this is where I wonder if like the world that we were, worlds that we were part of, how different they were. When it came to people like, well, I was often, I was the villain a couple of times. And so people would come up to me and ask if I like basically leaned into my quote unquote bad behavior of like interrupting dates or whatever and things like that.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
And I was like, no, I definitely didn't ever, I never wanted to be the villain. Like I never chose to be the villain, never wanted to be the villain. I actively tried not to be the villain. And so when I found out I was the villain, it was even harder to accept because like I tried to be likable.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
But with Bravo, my question to you is, it sometimes feels like, is bad behavior sometimes performative, or are people rewarded for bad behavior, a la Jax Taylor, or like, you were on the Summer House, we're currently covering Summer House, and like, certainly different than maybe some of the stuff going on in Jax's world, and it's a little heavier and things like that, but right now we have Jesse Solomon and Lexi's relationship, and
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
It's very hard to get her to write these days, isn't it?
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
He's kind of like leaning into like, I'm the fuck boy. I'm undateable. And like, you know, Lexi even said when we interviewed her that he stated out loud that he was almost envious of the criticisms that Wes got in his breakup with Sierra last season. That he almost like was like, oh, well, I guess if that's how you get famous, I'll just lean into being the fuck boy.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Yeah, it is. I don't know if she's left or right-handed. We switched hands.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
And just from your perspective, have you...
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
We don't know it feels more natural yet. I just did it for our moms.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
She's like, no.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Do you feel a weight lifted off of your shoulders?
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Now you're doing like the rounds. You're like, you're the designated hitter.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
You get like a train ran on you. It's like kind of gross. I kind of like it. I love it.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Hell yeah.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Bravo's special forces.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Nick is... No, he totally would.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I don't think you know what it takes. I just don't think you have any desire, and this is a compliment, like maybe this comes from... I need sometimes to prove things to myself. I don't feel like you have that. I don't think you have that need.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
There's a level of security that maybe you have that I don't.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I think you could.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
But when you say quantum healer, I feel healed.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I definitely believe, I'm not like a Western medicine till I die. I think Western medicine is all about just taking another pill. I definitely don't subscribe to that. I think there's a balance there.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I don't know if I'm all the way far with like spiritual, quantum spiritual healers, like a cult.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I felt very- Did you see her boobs? Like, I feel like this is where it's going. I was having a moment, Natalie. She gave me the craziest blowjob. Great tits. Great tits.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
They don't mean that. Sorry, Jacqueline.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
The 50-50 raffle.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
It went to the Dodger game and just randomly won $15,000.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
That is kind of bullshit for like, you know, the famous guy goes to a Dodger game and he wins the 50-50. You're not the person who's supposed to win that. I know.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
How was your appearance on Summer House?
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
You started Summer House in a way.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
And she's here. And she's present. How did you feel when you opened it? Oh, my God. Well, OK, so this is the thing. I have already about two months ago, I secured Nick's Father's Day gift. So Nick knows when Mother's Day is any day of the year. Right. It's same same day each year. And so it's like he could pick out.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Actually, you were there. You weren't even there.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I mean, you know, like, you know, obviously on the show we watch and we critique and pick apart like we like, like sports fans do their favorite teams. You know, like I met Sierra when she came on the show a while back, really enjoyed her company. I'm pretty sure Sierra fucking hates me right now. Why?
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Because when it comes to the character I've watched on TV, I just definitely does not team Sierra.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Yeah.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I feel like this season, she's done nothing but prove me right. Sierra, I love you.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
You've been a stan of Sierra.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
After watching this past season, Sierra is honestly in the game of life or the game of reality TV, whatever you want, like the NFL draft was recently, so put it in those contexts. She's a number one pick. She has everything going for her. Looks, brains. She's a supermodel. She also has this honorable other job as a nurse. She has everything.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
She can get in any room in any world, have any guy that she wants. What's her dating history? Austin? Austin?
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Who else? Who's next, Tom Schwartz? Just kidding.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I mean, so you're just telling, like if Sierra's out there and if, I don't know for sure, maybe she's not, maybe this is all for TV, but she projects on TV that she is frustrated with her dating life. And you're telling me that her problems in her dating life, if from her frustrations, do you think it's more based off of dumb luck and bad men or maybe her choices?
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I mean, her sitting there and telling Lexi he's punching way above his weight is like, I wanted her to shake herself and be like, so have you.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
What was the quote that she just recently gave when asked if she wants Lexi to return? Who we met and I just found to be delightful. Yeah, Lexi's lovely.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
She said, if Lexi's here next year, great. But if she's not, see ya. I'll never have to see her again. I'm used to people coming in and out and not staying. I just don't care, honestly.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I'm just curious as to why. What did Lexi do to these women? It's not giving girls girl.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I understand. But they preach pro-girl. Who does? Sierra and... Not really.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Yeah.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
you're right sierra doesn't really preach i think page amanda and sierra are like three peas in a pod they've been very outspoken about like not always uh being close with lindsey not always being close with danielle not you know like i feel like sierra makes choices based off of her ego and she makes choices based off of short-term validation and like again she's just fucking with guys who are in seasons of life that are just kind of beneath her and at some point it's like on her
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
It's not actually, but sure. Yeah.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Honestly, if Sierra was like, hey, listen, that was all for TV, and I would normally not fuck with any of these guys, but whatever, a job's a job, I would be like, totally believable. But if I'm just taking her actions at face value from what I'm seeing on TV, like she just makes choices that like make no sense for someone who could literally have it all.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Well, around the same time. Yeah. So he has forever to like find a gift and pick out a gift. It could be something sweet. It could be something nothing. And so.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
And like she could date anyone she wanted to. She can get in any room. And like she's always fucking with men who just like, The only thing they have in common is the fact that they're willing to say no to her, mostly based off the fact that they just want to say yes to every hookup opportunity that comes their way.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
And she wants to be the person that these guys who want to just play fuckboy, she wants to be the person who they're willing to give that all up for her.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I think if Sierra was like, Jesse, I want to date you, he would drop everything in a second. When he was like, do you think that that's what she wants?
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I'm not so sure. I think he likes the idea. Why is she even like her actions online right now are giving that she is leaning into the Jesse of it all. Like, why? Why is she even bothering with that narrative? Why is she fucking with that? You know what I'm saying?
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I'm sure he is.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
And if she's doing it for the job, I respect it. I get it. But if this is who she is, question her dating decisions.
The Viall Files
E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
This is what it costs you when you don't give something from the heart.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
So I have an ongoing wish list that I add things to that's like, oh, one day I would love to own this, whether like I work hard enough to like be able to afford it myself or if like maybe there's a day where Nick needs like wants to spool me or something. I don't know. And he had to take it to the notes app, the wish list, because he waited very, very last minute.
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Remember when we came to your last night closing?
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We did. We surprised Shortsy. How are you feeling about your salt and pepper hair?
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It's a little, but it's kind of giving.
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Kind of. You look hot. How do you feel?
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We talked a lot about it on Summer House.
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I just think... I have a woman who wants to have a child. If you want to have a child as well.
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Can I ask you a somewhat heavy question? Sure. What are you willing to give up to be a dad? About your current lifestyle.
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What do you mean by that?
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You're willing to be an act of service kind of man. Yeah. I have found in adult life, I think there's exceptions every rule, but I think for most people, if you're a high-functioning person, you really only have the bandwidth to prioritize two things in your life and be great at them, like a job, a career, and your family. Or it could be a job and your friends.
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Or it could be your family and your friends, and then you could be okay at your job. I just feel like as people, we can't really be exceptional. You have to figure out, all right, which one do I want? Do I want to be a great dad, or do I want to be the best best friend of all time? Or do I wanna be great at my job? Or do I wanna be a great, you know, sometimes we have to make choices.
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I have found that, like, two's the tops for me. I can either, I can focus on my career, I can focus on my family, but I don't have time for anything else.
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So can I unfollow her on Instagram? No, I love her.
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No hate, no hate, no hate, no hate.
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No, I liked her too.
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What happened?
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You don't have to.
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Is that how you felt for a while?
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Oh, for sure.
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really yeah that's interesting yeah i think it's definitely just i mean like when you don't have like a name for yourself and you are in a relationship with someone who does that is what i mean i'm still referred to as like nick vile's wife not for long which but which is which is fine i love being nick vile's wife but like i do remember a certain point at which i was like i am more than that someday i'll be someday i'll be natalie joy's husband
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Obviously, Sierra had to go and pick up.
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Period. That's beautiful. It'll be sooner than later, I think. Yeah. But no, she's just... I'll be taking the pictures and holding the... I am already holding the bags.
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Yes.
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Well, I got to say, I would have. I did not. I. Yeah. Big mistake on wedding planning for one.
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Let's talk about your podcast. Sweet.
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Is the Vow Pals one of them?
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Yeah.
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Listen, I mean, we'll take what we can get. Yes, we'll take what we can get.
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Not the same.
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Shavings make a pile.
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Shavings do make a pile.
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Pennies make a dollar. Yeah.
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You guys, I'm not... And you do it on your podcast. Yeah, I'm not a new guru. So people can watch or listen to you have a... Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Well, loved our wedding.
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Do you still have plants all in your house?
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Wait, you had to travel with all like your mics and your wires and all that stuff. Yeah.
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Wedding falls on the weekend of the NFL draft first.
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One-man show. Is Sandoval still doing his podcast, Everyone Hates Tom Sandoval?
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Or Everyone Loves Tom Sandoval.
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Oh, Loves. Loves. It was Loves.
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How are you two doing?
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His girlfriend. Yeah, yeah. He's in love.
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It also happens to be two weeks before Mother's Day.
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That's what happens to everybody.
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I wish that I could be attached to Nick's hip, but he won't let me.
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Do you think you'll be the best man?
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I mean, sure, but a strain. But that strain came from you having his back with unquestioning loyalty and support at your demise.
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So, like, I'm back to back from, like, anniversary. Jesus Christ. I don't even get a fucking break. And stagecoach.
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I have a hard time with that word, too.
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There you go.
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What other reality TV shows are you watching?
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Battle Camp.
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We had the host Taylor LeJuan on last week.
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But yeah, no, I know.
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That's because you're rich. That's because you won the 50-50. Yeah. You don't need to eat tarantulas.
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Let's be honest. It's not like the anniversary is really about me. No.
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And I say this with love, but has anyone ever described you as like a real life creamer?
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And again, you are obviously a hard worker and all those things, but on TV, your character was one of like, who just like shows up and just falls into money and opportunities. And he's just like on TV for a decade. He never really ever had a job.
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I did though.
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And like-
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He was a model.
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Because, like, a pat on the back, you know, would probably do it for me. You know?
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You had a word of the day calendar, didn't you?
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Bachelor Nation is going to start releasing everyone's audition tapes. That's so good. First of all, I know Nix is going to be no beard. He's going to be wearing a scarf.
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I will have what most people perceive as bad fashion. Are you okay? You're fogging up. I'm sweaty.
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Didn't y'all used to do a lot of tanning beds and stuff? Why'd you stop?
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Or a Bottega bag. Hang in there.
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Can we get Tom Schwartz a t-shirt or a tank top, please? I think all we have is smalls.
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Do you run hot?
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You do?
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You're doing okay.
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What time did you wake up?
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This is a man who's like really making moves. Like this is adult Tom.
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I feel like honestly you could have a baby.
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You got a gold ring.
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Yeah, no, for sure. Yeah.
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And then we went to the Brentwood Country Mart and had a wonderful afternoon at Brentwood Country Mart and had brunch and shopped and River got a croissant and she saw all these dogs and she was like running up and hugging strangers and making their lives. And it was just a wonderful afternoon. And then we had a smother session at night. So it was perfect. Perfect.
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Yeah. When we did that interview, what was going on in your head when Tom first appeared? Well, in hindsight, I think it's borderline iconic. Not borderline. I don't think I'll ever top it in terms of like, just like real time craziness.
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Like the call, the like, where are you? The like, the tiger photo. The tiger photo.
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I feel like I've become a Sandoval apologist almost because I see the good in him. He's a flawed human with obviously a lot of qualities that are easy to criticize. And I think he has a different moral compass than, say, the average person. But he is not without redeeming characteristics.
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don't y'all think it's crazy that nick is like team sandoval but not team sierra right i'm not team sandoval i just like no like you're able to make excuses for sandoval but not it's not that it's not that i you know you guys know me i'm a bit of a devil's advocate but i just like you go online it's like sierra can do no wrong and there's like this is blind loyalty towards sierra because she again of all her amazing qualities of which she you're mad at the fans
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I'm not mad at the fans. I'm just willing to point out flaws in her decisions the same way the entire internet is obsessed with pointing out Tom's. But I'm also willing to point out that Tom Sandoval has some good qualities that everyone likes to pretend don't exist. It's all binary to like reality TV fans. You're either totally good or totally evil. I'm more nuanced.
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And I think Sierra is a wonderful person, but I think she makes choices that are like to her detriment. And then she goes around blaming others for some of her choices. And then the internet rallies behind her because she's a queen and she can do no wrong. And I think she can do wrong. And often does. You're going to get canceled. It's a hot take. I'll live. Yeah.
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It won't be the first time the internet's mad at me. Yeah. Sierra, I love you. If you're out there, I'd love for you to come on the show. I know you never will again.
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She never will again. Amanda will never. Paige will never. What did I say about Paige?
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Oh, I am so sorry that I had a little bit of empathy towards Craig. I don't think Paige is that petty. I think Paige gets it. I think Paige is a pro. I could be wrong.
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I mean, if I were Paige, I wouldn't. To your wife's point. I just wouldn't go and hang out with the people who supported my ex.
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By support, what do you mean?
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Support. She did it. Did I stutter?
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I will say, though, I did walk past Craig's store. What's it called? Really impressed. He's crushing. Really impressed. I don't know where I'm getting. I don't know where she gets breadwinner. I mean, maybe it's an unsuccessful business.
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It was great. It was great. Great, great, great. We have a great, great week lined up. It's really starting to get crazy, guys. I don't think you're ready for such drama, excitement, and just groundbreaking programming. But in a moment, Tom Swartz will grace us with his presence. We'll catch up with Tommy, Tommy boy. And then tomorrow, we have a huge going deeper.
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She has a commercial for Trader Joe's. And he had an empty store in the South.
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She clearly makes more than him.
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His employees were watching Netflix.
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Why do we have to knock him down as if he's like... begging for money. No, he's crushing.
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Craig is crushing right now. That's not how it was.
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It was kind of like he's a loser.
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Yeah, she'll never come on, I guess.
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No, never.
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And Amanda's a loyal friend to the two of them, so she will also never come on.
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But we do.
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I rebuke someone. Is it possible?
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Okay. How do you feel about Katie's new boyfriend?
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Katie? Katie? Yeah. You guys are on top. But it didn't stick. It did.
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We're recapping, as we always do on Vile Files Plus, Vanderpump. And I've yet to disagree with your ex-wife.
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Maybe, I guess, but for the most part, not really.
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I'll tell you that much.
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So boring. Can I ask you a question? I don't know if you'll answer, but I'm going to ask. We're watching The Valley. Love the show. I think you make a cameo. I pop in here and there. Yeah. What is your opinion of Jesse Lally? Jesse. Love the guy.
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Well, Jesse. So lovely.
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As a father and as an ex-husband, because you're an ex-husband too.
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Do you think his daughter will appreciate how he treats her mother? Uh, especially when she's old enough to maybe say, watch some of this stuff back and maybe read some of the press clippings. Do you think, um,
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Why am I not seeing a difference between season two and season one?
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Can you tell me the last text that was sent in the group chat?
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Miranda Hope McWhorter, the new member of MomTalk, the new member of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, does grace us with her presence today. to talk about her version of the swinging scandal, why she decided to join this cast, and all the drama that is already unfolding for season two, which premieres Thursday. Season two of The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives premieres on...
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No, sometimes it's like, oh, like, the morning was really great, and then, like, it kind of just became a normal day after that, you know, which is, like, on my birthday, on Mother's Day. I guess those are really, like, my holidays, you know? Like, I want from sunup to sundown to be, like, no one stops talking about how great I am, you know? Fair. And Nick did a great job of that.
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No, being a part of that group chat? No, I know. I mean, it's a dating red flag. When we were dating. And you would have saw that.
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I probably would have let it slide, let it slide, let it slide. And then once we were actually very serious and I started obviously reading everything that was in it, I would definitely be like, it's time to go.
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Did Sophia ever try to read it?
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She's not nosy. Just out of curiosity.
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You were never like, look at this crazy-ass shit this guy just sent.
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Guys, I added Nick Vile to the boys' chat. They would kick me out. Honestly, add me. Add me. I'd be like, you're all fucking losers.
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I would harass Jax. He does be blocked.
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I would love that. I've invited him on multiple times.
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I think it's just really weird to block someone who's never interacted with your page. Yeah. And this is long before I ever started covering Bravo.
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Were you following him?
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No. No. I found out I was blocked when like Scandival happened and he was out there like acting like he was finally like the good guy because Tom Sandoval was a bad guy. He was one of the many people that Tom has rightfully called out for like monopolizing his trauma.
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Yeah.
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And so I was like, hey, let's get Jax on. And I was like, why can't I find his page? It turns out I was blocked. I found out I was blocked by another person in the public eye that I was this week and I was a bit surprised about it. I'm not going to say, but.
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I can't.
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Maybe you need the heart-to-heart.
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Not in front of the cameras.
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Thursday, and then Demi and her husband Brett will join us for an appearance on Reality Recap. The ladies then follow us next week. We got a whole bunch of the ladies on next week for Reality Recap. It's going to be jam-packed. A lot to dive into. I'm not ready for everything that's going on. I saw them last weekend. They had a big event. I hosted a panel that they were on.
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Would he rip off his shirt and fake fight me in the parking lot?
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Sure.
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Why do you think not as many people are watching it this season?
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Enjoy it. I think more people should be watching it. Last time I checked, the ratings were down a bit. Really? Now maybe more people are watching it on Peacock than Bravo. Yeah.
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Yeah, that's true.
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Is there any Bravo shows that you do just enjoy as a fan?
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Team Dorit, Team Sutton, Team Garcelle.
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Shorts.
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Who do you want?
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Yeah.
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Yeah. I'll just say I forced you to do it. Thank you.
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Summer House.
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We're Housewives of Atlanta.
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Up next, we'll talk a little Housewives of Atlanta and Tom Swartz will stick around and... Not give any hot takes, but he will be here to look pretty. Dead weight.
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Say goodbye to sticky notes and calendar confusion with Skylight. The Skylight calendar is here to keep your family organized. This beautifully designed digital display syncs with your existing calendars, making it effortless to track events, appointments, and reminders in one easy-to-see place.
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Nick has zero excuse now when I tell him we have this appointment or that appointment or this dinner or that meeting because it is all right there looking aesthetically pleasing in our kitchen on our countertop.
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It was great. It was great to see them all. Yeah. It's when a lot of the girls say, you know, I'm friends with everyone. Well, most of them.
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Our love has never been more crazy. We're constantly on the go, making moves and doing things. And because of Skylight Calendar, we have been able to do that with some harmony and peace of mind.
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Also, if you have older kids, you can make it fun by putting their chores on there. They can pick their own color. Maybe like Sally Lou wants to have yellow as her toy color.
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And then you have... It's like, hey, you got to vacuum your room, but at least you got to read that in pink.
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at least you got to read that in pink and you can get that done with Skylight. Your happiness is Skylight's happiness. So if in 120 days, you are not 100% thrilled with your purchase, you can return it for a full refund. No questions asked. Honestly, this is a great gift for anyone in your life who loves their family and who cares about organization. And if they're a Virgo, they will love it.
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Right now, Skylight is offering our listeners $30 off their 15-inch calendars by going to skylightcal.com slash V-I-A-L-L. Go to skylightcal.com slash V-I-A-L-L for $30 off your 15-inch calendar. That's S-K-Y-L-I-G-H-T-C-A-L, if you don't know how to spell, dot com slash V-I-A-L-L.
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Parents, you know the hustle is real with work, kids, errands, and everything in between. There's rarely time to slow down, let alone having multiple steps in whatever routine your has as someone who still cares about his looks and wants to age gracefully. One skin has been an absolute game changer for me.
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Their products are true multitaskers. They hydrate, protect, and support your skin's long-term health. And it's all thanks to their OS01 peptide.
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Well, if you want to look like your partner who might be a little bit younger than you, One Skin is where it's at. They will help you look young, stay young, feel young. I love it. It's really been the key to making sure people think we look good together.
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There's a lot of family.
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OS01 works at the cellular level to improve key aging biomarkers while reducing the visible signs of aging, including lines, wrinkles, and sagging skin. OneSkin believes the purpose of skincare is not just to improve how you look, but to optimize your skin's biology at the cellular level so it's more resilient to the aging process. OneSkin is the world's first skin longevity company.
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By focusing on the cellular aspects of aging, OneSkin keeps your skin looking and acting younger for longer. For a limited time, you can try OneSkin with 15% off using code VIALL at OneSkin.co. That's 15% off OneSkin.co with code VIALL. After you purchase, they'll ask you where you heard about them. Please support our show and tell them we sent you.
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They're fighting.
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Give your skin the scientifically proven gentle care it deserves with OneSkin.
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It was a premiere of the first episode.
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It was a showcase of, they screened the first episode for a large audience.
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Is it normal for a baby to kind of say the alphabet at 15 months? Or is she a genius? Can't really tell because that's my first kid. So like every time she does something, we're like prodigy. I would be doing this. But then like for all I know, maybe maybe she's behind. I don't know.
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She's going. That's what she does.
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She's faster.
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Literally. Three. Three.
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Parents will come up to us and kind of act shocked that our kid is doing what she's doing.
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And then it was also for Emmy consideration.
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Listen, every kid moves at a different rate.
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Get her on the podcast.
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Honestly, she could probably carry a conversation a little bit better than you.
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She could at least have some bigger tits. No, I'm self-aware. I'm dead weight.
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Should we get into some Atlanta and we can hear what Schwartz has to say about it? Take it away, babe.
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Emmy consideration. Oh, they need it. A four-year consideration party, I believe.
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It's your favorite show. Bravo.
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It is my favorite show. Bravo. I thought it was absolutely insane that Ralph that these two ladies thought it was OK to sit down with Ralph. First of all, Ralph needs to get out of that basement. And like he has no excuses.
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but even Shamia to like want to sit down with him and her reason to be like I was on his podcast or like we did a podcast together and it's like now he's pitching podcast now he's pitching podcast and his podcast pitches like family feud mix he's like battle of the sexes because I don't know if you know this but like men and women are not getting along and all I thought to myself was like this sounds like it's gonna be difficult to listen to
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And Nick hosted the panel, and I don't think I've ever screamed louder to carry an audience any time Nick said anything. I was like, wah!
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Shamia's response is, OK, and how are you going to sell that? Because ads is how you make money on your show.
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I mean, we all wondered why Drew did not want the records out there of like why they're getting a divorce while she's sitting there airing out all of Ralph's dirty laundry, but was like, no, no, I don't want these out there for like our children to see. And then proceeds to list them. Yeah, and so Ralph being like, yeah, I guess she did. Was he saying she had an affair with Dennis or no?
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I also don't believe Ralph when they're like, did you cheat on Drew? And he's like, no.
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Yeah.
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That felt like a false denial.
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Britt and Mike talking about how they walk around the house naked. Britt, I think, is probably one of my favorite housewives, I have to say. Oh, y'all hate that.
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I think Angela's my favorite housewife. I love Angela. She seems the most, I believe, I believe her. I think she's honest.
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That was the most confusing fight I've ever watched happen. It was like, so did Shamia say that to Drew? Or did Drew, like, how was Angela there? Because the conversation that I saw was Kelly, Angela, and Drew.
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I do have a hard time keeping up with the drama in Atlanta.
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I'm always like, who are they mad at?
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That was Shamia and Angela. And Shamia repeated that exactly how it was said.
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No, it was all of us, but I started it because once I did it, then everyone was like, oh, yeah, ah! You know?
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I did. Listen, Shamia repeated exactly what Drew said. And I would also be very pissed off if another woman is saying she's going to send my daughter to college with the money she's making with my husband. Especially because you have your own kids. Yeah. You have your own kids. And clearly a husband who's not helping.
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Okay, well, thank you for the support.
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What was it that you wanted to talk about, River, watching TV?
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Maybe.
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maybe Portia having all of these women at her event to just like shoot content for the event was fucked up I thought it was hilarious for Drew specifically because she was part of the campaigns and then removed from the campaigns and I was like oh just take a photo yeah but also come to my party everyone and then like we have the best photographer in Atlanta everyone pose with product and like this will be on our site where you would normally be paid separately for that and she was like it's fine put on my outfits and do a photo shoot for my brand for free thank you
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Disney movies. Oh, well, now that I'm watching some Disney movies, first time I've seen Frozen. I also watched Aladdin for the first time in a long time. Gotta say, doesn't hold up.
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No, what would be crazy and they would be within every right to do is to say, you didn't get my permission to post this and have her take it down. I'm sure that's coming.
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Yeah, but Cynthia is like the most unproblematic housewife lover. But she does not want to start any drama.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Thank you for making it relatable for me.
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In real time, I think, well, at least this is how it was portrayed or aired. It seemed like in real time as they were taking photos in a lingerie, they realized, oh, we're being used.
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Because it was like, we're taking photos and then it was like, get the sheets. Portia's posing with her hand on the sheets with all of the women around her.
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So like, oh, we're in an Instagram ad. Oh, I did not know that.
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Yeah.
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What did you think of Jack stealing James May's designs?
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Can you tell when Jack Stahler's lying? No, he's a good liar. Genuine question.
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No, he's a good liar. I believe that.
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Okay.
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That was a show that really didn't take off that I was disappointed in.
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Yeah, sorry. R.I.P. Robin Williams. His parts slam. Awesome. Robin is great. Made me laugh anytime the genie popped up. But honestly, the storyline, if you're going to make Jafar a genie, you get three more wishes. Why did they kick him to the Cave of Wonders? Like... They should have just... It just... I don't know.
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Lance Armstrong, you had Marshawn Lynch. I'm saying. You had Portia, you had Tom Schwartz.
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Yeah, she's awesome. Wait, so what did you think of Portia?
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Is there a dream like wife in Bravo for you?
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Katie Flood?
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Sorry.
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Lisa Vanderpump. I love Lisa. I honestly like her less and less. Yeah. Really? Yeah. I have such a great relationship with her. You know her better than I do. I just feel like she seems problematic, to be honest. Lisa? I mean, her covering for James Kennedy for so long. She seems to really throw the women under the bus unnecessarily. She doesn't give necessarily role model.
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Maybe to some of the men. I mean, she does seem to cover for you guys quite a bit in the past. What?
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There's a lot of it is based around the James and Allie of it all where she called Allie two months after James and her altercation went public and the police report came out and called her two months later to quote unquote check on her, but then also try to convince her to get back with James.
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And then reminded her that she was also drinking too.
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Yeah. So kind of implied like maybe it was also your fault, which is giving a little like, don't love that.
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It doesn't sound good, though.
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Doesn't sound good.
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Yeah. But I mean, I've only met Lisa once. She was very nice, very nice to me. Incredibly nice. But like some of her online persona kind of gives like, I'm too good for you.
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But you would marry her.
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Sorry, no more softballs. We've turned into deep, hard-hitting questions.
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What do you think that is? You just like the Gen Z's are just like on their phones and don't need to go out and they're drinking water and like alcohol is a new egg.
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The storyline... And also, it's just like, Jasmine's a little too, like, sexy for, like, a kid's movie. It's just a little weird.
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Is that completely, I mean, I know it's been a financial bummer, but are you at least done? Everything's done and taken care of.
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Do you feel like you have to be at TomTom for it to?
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But did you feel like that about Schwartz and Sandys? Yes. Like if you weren't there.
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Yeah, I feel like it's kind of a tourist attraction.
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Fine. I don't know. It's not her fault. It's too much adult humor. I don't know. Like, something about the old school Cinderella's, the Snow Whites, did it seem more simple, you know, for the kiddos? Aladdin was old school.
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Sure.
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Do you watch Love Island?
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It'll be interesting. I mean, they shine bright and hot. They did, but the big question is, can they do it on their own? Because they were the first cast for Love Island USA to make it pop, so there is that. And then the question for Love Island USA, with season seven about to premiere, will they be able to keep that momentum going? Or is it really just about that cast?
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I think season seven is going to pop.
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Who do you miss the most from Vanderpump Rules cast?
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Do you agree that Luke is the best looking guy on the Valley in person?
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But that counts.
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I know it's not like pretty boy model.
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That's what I think. I haven't met Jesse in person, but he looks short.
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And then there was, you know, there's... But Frozen is awesome. I love Frozen. Really, really great. I have never seen it. Certainly, I've heard the hype over the years of all the kiddos and the past generations really loving that. Made me cry a little bit. For the first time, I really wanted River to have a sister. Aww. And I got, I got a little choked up. That's how I let off my emotions.
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You mean like a 2025 Jax? I mean, he's a handsome guy, but the years have not been kind. And he has not been kind to himself. Let's see.
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Do you at home dye it?
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Yeah.
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Speaking of pharmacy, Justin actually has some, a story. It's near and dear to his heart. He wants to talk about.
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Well, I am because I've been living in LA for 10 years. But if you're not from the West Coast, you don't even know what Rite Aid is.
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And you think it's like the best ice cream ever?
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Is ice cream ever really fresh?
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Are you team Justin or team Blake?
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yeah moving on we go back to summer house for a second wasn't it crazy for jesse to even pull sierra aside and have a talk with her like if you're alexi at that point like you're just done with her like you know keep in mind the relationship's already on the fence he's like sierra can we talk alone could you imagine if you were dating a guy and you were not sure about where things stood he said he's loved you a few times you've had some sex you've had some fights
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There's this friend of his that's another beautiful woman that he seems to be awkwardly like a little close with. And then he all of a sudden shows up that weekend and he's like, you know, Sierra, let's talk.
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The kissing in the room, even Wes, like looking at camera being like, what the fuck?
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Well, just like commercials, like happy moments on movies or TV shows. That's how I released my, you know, pent up rage and emotions, you know, that's your inner child. Yeah.
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At least he seems to accept the stage of life that he's in, which is like to just fuck around and have some fun, which I appreciate. Not try to be someone's girlfriend.
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Sierra giving West the rest of her martini mix. He was like.
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She seems so over it. She seems like she, like, agreed to, like, keep it going for TV because everything he says, she goes, mm hmm.
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Except for he was like, I love you.
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Texting her multiple times. Seeing the parents. Yeah.
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What do you think happened in there? Was Emeril just fucking constantly when you were up there?
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You slept on the floor, though.
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I think you slept in your suitcase.
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But I just, you know, you know, people always talk about how men just like push down their emotions, which I think is honestly, hot take, like somewhat appropriate. I don't think we need to be crying all the time about everything. I think, you know, sometimes our feelings are our business and not everyone else's. I'm just saying. But every once in a while, we do have to release.
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Get on the floor. Yeah. Do you do that at home too?
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You want to sit down?
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When was the last time you felt like someone was truly mad at you for something you did? Because I feel like a lot of people have been mad at you for things that you haven't done.
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Is it crazy to say ex-wife?
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Isn't that crazy?
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Yeah. What else do I not know about him? There is some mystery.
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Yeah, it does give the vibe that you've survived trauma.
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Do you miss wearing a wedding ring?
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And now you say, this is my ex-wife.
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Tom, how do you feel about Roni potentially being put on pause or canceled or, you know, there's a lot of misinformation information. Andy's pushing back. Any thoughts, feelings, concerns?
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If you can't make New York work, what are you doing?
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Right?
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Very quickly at night, I did ask for three minutes of being inside of each other's skin, and he...
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I would say though, I want, I want my housewives to be wives. Hmm.
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And for me, it's a good, happy moment on TV. And I will shed a tear. I'll wipe it and I'll move on with my day. And that allows me to stay sane in life.
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Yeah. No, I want wives. I want people in domesticated relationships. I want that dynamics. Why I like the Valley so much. I want those interpersonal relationships. I want that family drama. And if you're going to get me single people, I want them willing to date.
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I will say I do like on OC, Tamara and Eddie, when like Tamara starts popping off and Eddie is like, stop it. Stop it. You know, I do like that dynamic.
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I just don't want a group of girlfriends only talking about girlfriend drama, either date or incorporate like your dating life into the show or give me domesticated relationships like one of the two. I don't.
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I think we need the OGs. Bose brought her partner on and we got to know her partner and we got to learn about her still wanting to have children and that relationship. Interesting dynamic. I want more of that.
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If Lindsay can get her new man, baby daddy, to come on Roni, sign me up. If not, not interested.
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You know, I'm not interested in Paige and Hannah, you know, just coming on. And, you know, we have the Giggly Squad for that. We don't need it for, you know. If Paige wants to date and bring Mr. Philadelphia Eagle.
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They're not together anymore.
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Okay. Well, whoever man that she is dating, I would watch that, you know.
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I think she said she's single.
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I was really down. If there was any spinoff that I would have voted for from Vanderpump, it would have been a TomTom spinoff.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Should've used it. Should've used it.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Whatever, just emotion, trauma, you know, just everything that's going on in my life. I just push it down when I see a happy moment, you know, but like the two sisters don't get that out for you.
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It's so good.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Yeah, you should've used it. That should've been your bar name. But if you were willing to expose your dating life on a TV show, and if Tom was willing to talk about his relationship with Victoria, I would be down for that. I would watch the hell out of that. I would watch the hell out of that. Would you do it if they were willing, if they came to you with a proposal?
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I don't think anybody wants that, but I would do it. Yeah. People would watch it. They might criticize and roll their eyes and be like, no one asked for this. They would all watch. Really?
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Yeah, I would do it.
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Should you be the next Bachelor?
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You did.
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Whoa, whoa.
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Who is your celebrity crush? Can't be Lisa Vanderpump.
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If she'll have me.
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If she'll have me.
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Have you like slid in the DMs for anyone?
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That's true.
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Really? You know, we have a baby. Wow. Okay. Maybe you should.
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You've ever sent a nude?
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What would be your, like, angle of nude? Would you do, like, mirror pic? Or would you do, like... I'd probably do, like... Under?
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That is art.
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Of course not. Full heart.
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I'd probably let it go. I don't know.
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Did he not see the paparazzi there?
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It does carry.
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Kristen Bell is fantastic in it. Which one did River Lake?
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Did you see his dick? It's so, so blurred. What?
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It just looked like he was adjusting his... Oh my God, it was the most blurred image I've ever seen.
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Yeah, he pulled his pants down.
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She doesn't really watch. Honestly. I'm like, Nick, she doesn't give a fuck about this and you're glued to the TV. So who is this on for? Let it go. She could not care less. I know. I kind of wish she was maybe a little bit more of an iPad baby. Does she just walk around during the movie or? Oh, yeah. She's just like playing with her toys. She's like really not.
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that's a lot but it's actually who would you have to go through i don't know look are you kidding that's the craziest thing no like it's not like a normal adjustment that's not an adjustment that's a flash he's flashing the paparazzi his day he's pulling down his pants one hand is pulling and then the other hand is pulling up his if his hands were on his junk and then he it's just a weird angle i think honestly jack's is not someone who's gonna
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That is literally a photo of him whipping out his private parts in public.
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He's pulling down his pants.
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And pulling up his sweatshirt.
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If he was this, scratching, that's literally not what is happening there.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
What would your spiritual healer say?
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I feel like that doesn't, does that make sense?
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
You got to get into Karen Reed. Do you not true crime it much?
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Yeah. Karen Reed is currently on her second trial for being charged with murdering her Boston cop boyfriend, hitting him with her car and leaving him in the snow to die.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Natalie's dive is so deep. I've recently got into it. Natalie had me convinced of her innocence. I was like, I've seen it departed. I know cops can be crooked.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
And now he's turning on myths.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
It's not, I just, you know, there's the difference between like a bunch of, I just like, we do live in a time where internet theories, I mean, let's be honest, like Karen Reed's, like the Save Karen Reed movement was started by a guy online named Turtle Boy. And I just think it's when it comes to like her innocence is more salacious than her guilt.
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Like the idea that a bunch of cops would get together and cover up a murder is just like a more salacious story. And that's why I think a lot of fans are leaning into that more salacious story. But when you break it all down, like it's way more believable that she did it.
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I'm sure there's billions of podcasts talking about it.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
There's a docuseries on Max, Body in the Snow. There's also one on Hulu, I believe.
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We watched one on Max, and I'm basing a lot of my opinions off of that documentary and then my wife.
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I don't think she should be convicted because I don't think the state has done enough to prove her guilt. There's a lot of like reasonable doubt and just bad police work, but.
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She seems to have a history of being a little toxic and a little reactive. Oh.
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No, I don't know.
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I'm asking you guys.
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The date for BravoCon was just announced. Are you going to go? I hope so. Crash the party?
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I hope so. Is that something you get invited to? Yeah.
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Or you do? Like you've been invited post end of Vanderpump.
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Has that existed?
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How so?
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She'll like look up every now and then if it's like very colorful or like, but she doesn't like sit and watch.
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That you don't know.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
That's crazy behavior, Tom. I know. I know. When was the last time you changed your number?
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Nick just recently made me change mine.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Yeah.
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Please plug your podcast.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Don't expect any shit talking.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Not this episode.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Team Sierra. Eventually. Did we get one hot day? Thanks for listening, guys. Do not forget to tune in tomorrow for an explosive Going Deeper with your newest member of MomTalk and the Secret Lives of Mormon Whites, which does premiere on
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Thursday season 2 on Hulu check it out but you will not want to miss us going deeper episodes it's explosive it's wild and then to me and Brett return well Brett's Brett's first time but the drama unfolds a lot of a lot of I mean honestly it's it's it'd be fascinating for you guys to unpack a lot of serious fights relationships a lot of accusations being thrown on this world and it's it's a lot to unpack but we try our best to do it and that's all starts tomorrow we'll see you then buh-bye
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allowed three minutes did we set a timer oh and the second it hit 10 12 he was like all right it was 10 09 she's like until 10 12 yeah yeah and it wasn't like a normal snug i like a snug this was it was a smug inside your skin this was a suffocation i had to hold my breath for three were you on a couch we were in bed so it's cozy yeah sierra thank you for picking up the gift oh you did yeah
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Well, hold on. Don't. All right.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
nick and i got into it over on plus well first of all let's decide taylor swift has finally been subpoenaed by justin baldoni's lawyer uh we haven't really talked about this case our opinions are steadfast well my opinion is steadfast i believe natalie's is as well to me this this shows that justin's legal team is doing more of the same which is just trying to bully the you know the other side you know like because obviously they want the attention they want to bring in taylor swift they want to like
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
peel back the curtain they want to you know they want her to tell her friends ryan and blake to like have this go away um and i think it's just more of the same of them trying to make it very difficult to fight this fight but we will see what happens it did come out that blake will testify i mean i imagine yeah i imagine a lot of people testify including the alleged witnesses uh i really hope we'll be able to watch like we are at the carnage trial because i am loving to like sit at home and watch the case watch the
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
So about can read. And I just, you know, I know there's a lot of people out there very passionate about, and let me just say, I am not as convinced of her innocence as I was last week. That's what I'm saying. If I listen, what I think after, you know, and listen, what do I, you know, I haven't been following it like many of you out there who have been fat, you know, so like, fuck my opinion.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I'm a stupid motherfucker. I want to clear that up for anyone who just wants to just be triggered by what I'm about to say. But it's just like, here's the thing. I think she has a great legal team. I think there's probably some dirty cops over on the other side. Nothing people have come up with have proven her innocence or have proven that anyone else is responsible for this death.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
And I just find that overall, it's just way more believable that she was responsible for his death than the defense team's story, which is like a whole group of people conspired together. There's just a bunch of theories. And I just, I don't find their version believable, which is why this is when you watch that HBO documentary, which is, you know, like why it was like a hung jury.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Cause I think they don't believe their version. It's just more like, but I don't, I do think she should be acquitted. I think there's plenty of reasonable doubt. I don't think the state has done their job to prove that she did it. And I think the burden falls on the state.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
And I think the reason why we have the laws that we have, I think it's upon the government who has essentially unlimited funding. I mean, you know, unless you're a bazillionaire, you're always like the small person. You're the David in the David versus Goliath when you're going against the state, when they have like unlimited resources of taxpayer dollars. So I think the burden's on them.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
That being said, I just don't believe... It's just...
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Again, you, I understand.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
So again, you have a bunch of theories. Everyone has theories. I understand there's a bunch of theories and they're salacious. And listen, it's just, it's what? What are facts?
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
That wasn't a fact. That's a dog injury. That's a theory. There was no dog DNA. There was pork. I don't know. Dog treats. I get it. But also bacon. Listen, I'm just saying her version, the defense team's version is less believable. It's just less believable. It's more believable that an act of God happened where two drunk people and there was an accident and she knew nothing about it.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Then it's more believable that a group of people have conspired to kill a guy. And in real time, they decided to like, you know what? How should we kill him? We should just let him freeze to death. And let's just make sure we Google it.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Nick is really hung up on the... Because that was my smoking gun. There's so much more.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
But the snowplow guy was like, never saw a body.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
His story has changed.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
From what to what? Oh, you don't know?
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I know his story has changed.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
But you don't know what it's changed from? Oh, it doesn't matter. All of a sudden, it doesn't matter.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Him not seeing something doesn't mean something wasn't there. It means he wasn't looking forward to it. It means there was a blizzard. Again, I don't know what happened. I'm just saying her innocence is less believable than I thought before.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I have a question.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
And I think people just have a bunch of theories.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I have a question. Yeah, go ahead. Whenever you're ready to answer my question. Brian Albert is the owner of the house. The owner of the house. He's a cop. Owns a German Shepherd. Owns a German Shepherd, he does. He obviously was in and out of his house constantly after John O'Keefe died, you know, and was taken from his front lawn. And it took three weeks to find any sort of taillight.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Brian Albert never saw one piece of taillight in his front lawn that entire time.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Maybe he wasn't going and looking for taillights.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
If someone died on your front lawn, you wouldn't be like, let me go out here and like, look at this.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I understand all that. And again, we can pick it apart and we can come up with all these theories. And I recognize there was bad police work and there was crooked cops that need to be fired and things like that. None of that. proves why these group of people, like, why did they kill him? What's the motive?
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
It's just, like, it's hard to believe that, like, randomly, a group of friends decided to kill their friend and they decided to do it by leaving him on the cold.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Oh, you didn't know?
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
No.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
What is sad is that John and Keith will never get, like, any sort of...
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
No.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
It's far more believable that a woman who has a history of being a little toxic and a little like reactive when she's drinking, who was fighting with said boyfriend earlier that day and wanted to break up with she he wanted to break up with her.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I thought that was Cindy who was doing all of that.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
That like two drunk people like got in a fight and some, you know, and like she had a reactive moment and accidentally hit him unintentionally that ultimately caused his death. And then she tried to cover it up from there.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Sure. Yeah.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Oh my God, yes.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Could I win with that reaction?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Yeah. Oh my God, that's all I've ever wanted. You're gross.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
I'm just saying.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Would we light your vagina candle after date night?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
What's the occasion?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
What if there's a candle that, like, changes scents throughout the month? I have no response.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
How do you fuck that up? I don't know. I feel like that's not. I feel like that's not. How many fucking decision makers? You know what one thing I know about corporate America? They have a lot of meetings. And often they have more meetings than they even need. And there's usually several approval steps. So how does something like this get by without it being intentional?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Maybe so. Is it the website there to calm Karen down?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Like, oh!
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Yeah, but who is to decide what is art or work? Because he's not even talking about art. He's talking about work.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Also, the meaning of content has drastically changed over the past year or two. I mean, just like the way we are creating content and making content. And we, as a people, like people can now have more ownership in their content. You can make whatever they want, you know, before you didn't, you weren't able to do that. You know, you would never be able to make your own content.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
what's going on everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of the vile files reality recap edition i'm your host nick and boy we got a lot to get into sierra said i looked tired this morning really yeah i did ask her i was like was that an intrusive thought like did you mean to say that she's like and then she goes you look tired i was like well fuck me
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
You'd have to be approved by a corporation or like a studio or now, now you don't need a studio's permission to create content like this show, you know, for example.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
I just want you guys to know that when I was taking my shirt off and making Bob Ross photos and paintings and roller skating, that was fucking work. It was work.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
And art. It was both art and work.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Give them the details of the story.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
$12 million.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
It was just like one of those, like the more she talked, the more you like, she painted a very clear picture of like a very kind of, I think sadly a classic story.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
That's like, the very toxic, jealous kind of a partner who is kind of very emotionally abusive and just kind of like, you know,
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Well, when you like, when, when she, you know, if anyone's seen a picture of the dress she wore to the golden globes, I mean, she looked lovely. It was a very, I mean, everyone has an opinion on what is conservative or scandalous or provocative, but like, I think for the average person, it was just a lovely gown that she was wearing.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
And then you hear him, you hear her talk about how he essentially slut shaming her, telling her what type of energy he thinks she's putting off by wearing said dress. And then again, the kind of the psychological, you know, the, He's like an emotional terrorist when you tell her she's doing one thing and then he does another thing public facing.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
It's just like you don't know how to be around these types of people because they're just constantly fucking with your mind and your emotions.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Yeah, I know. Sierra did a whole makeup routine after. Some eyeliner.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
to bash these women for taking money because they're not, like, not gonna... Yeah, what's their choice between a million dollars or seven figures or being hated on by his entire audience? It's like, I could tell the truth and then no one could believe me and his entire fan base can crucify me
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Or I can just take an amount of money I may never see my entire life and have peace of mind and then go get therapy. And then people want to judge people for that? Fuck you. No, it's wild.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
because last week we were like let's do this and then natalie and i are not good planners we neither of us you know usually you want to like marry someone who's like the things you're not good at they are and vice versa and we've gotten pretty lucky with some of that stuff but when it comes to planning natalie and i neither of us big planners anyways so last week we're like it was like saturday at five we're like we should do this and then we're like oh where do we go and then we you know didn't really have reservations and we still had a great night but
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
But even if that were true, good for Dave. Yeah. He's worth a godly amount of money.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Also, like, Zach Bryan, how stupid.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
are you he's so bad and so like I mean this man didn't even think knowing he has a history of this type of behavior he's already allegedly had exes sign an NDA so he has a history of knowing that he's dating you know he does he's like his thing apparently is to date women be fucking shitty and then get them to sign this NDA and then he decided to date Brianna Chicken Fry who's like best friend and co-host is Dave Portnoy you say a lot of things about Dave Portnoy but he likes to protect his friends and then Zach Bryan just like
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
The way he it's just like how sloppy and stupid. I don't know.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Yeah. I mean, it's how arrogant do you think you are?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
So when he sings songs like, I'm going to let you down and I'm going to act a certain way, when you listen to the song, it's more like, oh, you know. he's trying his best to be a good guy, but he's just going to let you down. And boy, ain't that the truth, you know, what a guy. Oh, shucks.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
You know, he's just going to drink a little too much and have, and we listened to it being like, ah, we saw relatable, you know, like, but the truth is he's a monster.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
you know yeah well i mean and to give like the listeners more context like there was something that brianna said where like she was singing a morgan wallen song and then he like wouldn't talk to her i think that just shows he and i think another piece of shit by the way a lot of these guys are horrible fucking people and there's a yeah chances are your favorite celebrity 50 they're monsters some of them are great people and a lot of them aren't
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
It's just... No, that's giving very small dick energy. This is about as small as it gets.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Yeah.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
He's got balls when you consider these five-foot-nothing balding 27-year-old. Talent is very sexy.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
He's a shit human.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Really? Yes. His bandmate released a song and he basically overshadowed him?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
I don't know. He's got a plan on the victim.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Wait, where did you go?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Oh, maybe you said that. Anyways, so this week, I was like, we have to start taking turns. Planning. Planning. Yeah. And I said, okay. We did not designate which person's turn it was. And so I got done with work. I said, we have an 8.30 reservation. And she goes, I got us a 9.30.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Send your love to Brianna.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Welcome to the show. We're so excited to have you.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Well, we couldn't be more happy. How has life been for you these days?
The Viall Files
E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
You know, we're surviving over here, you know, just trying to give the people an escape from whatever it is that might be bugging them out, you know?
The Viall Files
E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Yeah, it is funny when you guys can nail the we don't talk any politics on this show, but when you guys get into it and kind of get both sides, so to speak, to begrudgingly laugh. I think we can all agree that if nothing else, it's all kind of nuts and crazy. And when you guys bring some humor into it, it makes everyone feel at least a little better, I guess. Yeah.
The Viall Files
E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
We heard you're a big fan of the Grammys.
The Viall Files
E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
So what are your big takeaways? Are we going to go Chapel or is it Serena? Are they going head to head? Serena, Serena, Serena.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Would you?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Do you skip lines ever?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
but we all knew the melody.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Do you skip lines?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Define skip lines.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Or to board a plane?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Oh, okay. Like as a mother, you're saying? No, just as a human being.
The Viall Files
E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Well, I saw this not even, we didn't even have this in household headlines, but apparently the airlines are testing a new system to sound an alarm if you board before your designated group. I thought they do that already. No. I love that. They scare you into it.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
You get to meet obviously a lot of different high profile celebrities. Have there been any ones that you kind of got more excited than others or that felt like a surreal moment? Or are you just kind of desensitized now that you get to meet so many different people?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Do we have, can you want to put out a vibe about just to put it out there who, who maybe you're hoping for it out a lot.
The Viall Files
E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Why? I mean, that's fine. But like, listen. It's the Karen in you. We are a guy priority. I'm just saying, like, this is an elitist rule.
The Viall Files
E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
How long did they make you wait before you get feedback? Did you feel good about your audition? Did you kind of have to sit for a few days and wait? What was that like?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
It's a lawless land. Do you stand up? Who here stands up?
The Viall Files
E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
And I was like, he's not performing as your neighbor. He's taking out the trash. I believe her.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
No, no, the plane lands. Yes, the plane lands. No, and then we get to the gate.
The Viall Files
E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
It seems like a lot of people in power get away with it a lot.
The Viall Files
E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
When you're not watching a Martha Stewart documentary, what are some other guilty pleasures you enjoy binging?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
You guys are unhanged. You stand up for no reason. I stand up.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
There's a few now.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Okay.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Treat yourself.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
How late is it? How late? How late?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Like, I'll smoke that weed around 8, and then, you know.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Okay.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Is it kind of like Games of Thrones in terms of whose sketches get picked up? Is there politicking or is it just funniest laugh wins?
The Viall Files
E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Or they could like, you guys should start like a late, late Saturday night, like make sketches that you guys put out like online. That's like stuff that didn't make the cut. Yeah. That'd be great.
The Viall Files
E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Yeah. Anything you want to tell us first?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Well, kind of. But the flow always goes forward, and if you got stuck, if the flight attendant just took your bag and threw it 20 rows back, you're kind of panicked. But isn't that your fault for coming late?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
That's what I'm saying. I think it's great. You know, I'm just saying like... Unless you're in first class.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Jeff does. Steve's in the kennel.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
He's still one years old, but lately we've left the door open and he stays in the kennel. We're opening it up for him to be freed. Okay. We spoiled him at first because Jeff, our first dog, was so good. He never did anything bad. And then baby Steve, we kind of let baby Steve do whatever he want. And he quickly turned into a monster. So we had to backtrack Kettle Train. And now he's kind of...
The Viall Files
E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
But the rules of an airline or just air travel in general is definitely like an elitist thing to do.
The Viall Files
E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Does Chief watch TV?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
I don't think you're as alone as your friends want to make you feel.
The Viall Files
E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
It's like the Titanic. All the rich people, early exit, early entrance, they get catered. Do you ever fly to Delta One in L.A.? You're treated like the king and queen, and then all the normies are just hurting.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Yeah.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Well, we just finished recently Love is Blind. We really got into Love Island over the summer. We're big Housewives fans. Yeah. Salt Lake City.
The Viall Files
E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
I've heard Potomac is very good.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
I think for me, I like to start my Bravo, like when I introduce myself to a new Bravo show, I like to start wherever it's at. Because Bravo's also famous for their flashbacks. So you can start wherever, and then if you want to add context, whatever drama they're having, they either have a flashback, or you can go back and binge on Peacock or whatever it is.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
I like doing that rather than starting from the beginning.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Well, someday you will marry. Someday you will.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
And it's like, I pay my taxes.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Is it all worth it?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
It's just normal Delta. And I'm just saying, I think it's hilarious for all the, and when they start like the alarms going off for the people who just want to get on a little bit early so their bags aren't thrown in the back and everyone wants to shame them. I think it's kind of hilarious.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Yeah.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Do you say hi first?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
i need your reaction to just save it but i i do save them too i never play them back i don't know i i save all of them i keep all of them yeah that is interesting people i think it's because like they they don't they delete themselves and i think you never know if you get to it right away whether it's going to go away or not and i feel like that created the habit of people saving it because they were like you you weren't sure how much time you had to listen to said note so i just like it yeah it like it created a lot of uncertainty
The Viall Files
E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
And now everyone has blackmail on each other.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
We had so much fun chatting with you, and we hope that you'll want to come back after you do your homework, obviously, and give us some more hot takes.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Thank you. I had something to talk to you guys. I'm sure most people already know where to follow you and consume all your content. But if they do not, where can people follow you and enjoy all the great things that you're doing?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Free is expensive. Free is expensive.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
All right. Well, thank you so much. We really appreciate it.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Yeah. Why don't you post it? Yeah.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
So just for the audience, explain what you made.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
When you were trying to get me to get into it. I was trying to get you to get into it.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
You did. I just had to pick up season four.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Like she is evil. If you could ask Jen Shaw one question, what would you ask her?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Yeah. For sure. And Jen is a criminal. In terms of like the audience's appetite for forgiveness.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
John's just drinking his fresco. Do you think the husbands enjoy doing these scenes or do you think they're begrudgingly doing it?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Okay. Really? Yeah.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
He loves. Oh, he's hyping it. The bathtub, the whole bathtub. I absolutely love that Broadway and Todd thought, you know what? We're going to do some jewelry shopping in front of our friends while we're on vacation. And we're going to buy like a $5 million. It was a flex. And they're so, they're like real rich. This is the type of housewife I want.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
I don't want Lisa Barlow, like 18 different jobs and just hustling people. And like, is she in debt or is she rich? I don't know. Like I do want to know. Rowan's rich, rich. That's a real PJ. They're flying.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Bronwyn.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
He's a tech daddy. So true. Old tech money too. Yes. The guy invented Palm Pilots. That's like kind of the person who invented the iPhone back in the day.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Also, Bronwyn can still have fun and take herself not too seriously. Somewhere along the line, Lisa Barlow forgot what a joke was.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
You know?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Outkick your coverage is like a very like common thing. What does that mean? It's like we married someone who's hotter than us.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Yeah. Essentially. That's not the same.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Yeah, but Todd was quick to be like, you know, guys, I actually am really super rich and you guys... Was it Lisa who wanted us to know that her husband's a CEO? Yeah, it was her.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
I'm a CEO. I watch Housewives. Yeah.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
FaceTime. I missed Mary.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Thanks for saying that. Yeah. Why couldn't Mary come?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Her son lives in the bedroom. Oh, my God.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Don't they usually like flashback to like Salt Lake and like, you know, follow like whatever, like Heather, for example, like being bored.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
I missed Brittany this episode.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
I really did. I just felt like I wasn't getting enough of Brittany's terrible life choices. Give us the drama. Yes. I think there's more to her life.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
I need more of her conducting her friends in a living room. Stop talking. Yeah.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Oh, I admit. I did. I felt halfway through the episode. I was like, what is missing? And I was like, it's Britney. I like Britney. Yeah. There is nothing more mean girl than talking about a trip you should go on while also on a trip that you're on. When you had Bronwyn setting up this trip, she flies him out on a PJ. And then Lisa's sitting with Meredith and the husbands.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
And they're all like, we should go on. Where should we go on our trip? That is the most mean girl bully shit to be on the trip and then talking about a trip where you're clearly not going to invite the other people on the trip to this trip.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
If you're talking about people who go to Olive Garden for their Italian food, they will probably tell you that Italian food in Italy is not good.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
I've never been.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
I know how the sausage is made at the Olive Garden.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
I haven't been back since. I've never been.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
My mom worked at McDonald's. See, that's character developing.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
No. That's not true. I did steal the chicken nuggets, but I quit. Yeah. You did it after you quit or quit? No. Every time I would walk back to go to the bathroom, I'd just open up that chicken nugget drawer and pop in a couple.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Meredith's husband. Is that where he's always on the go?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Is this them introducing, like, storyline for Meredith?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
You know, speaking of vibes, though, we can give a shout out for this weekend's super vibe hero, Ricky Persol. I believe I'm saying his name correctly. I apologize, Ricky, if I'm not. Do you know who Ricky Persol is? Ricky is a rookie for the San Francisco 49ers.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Well, I mean, overall, sure. But they have some slower episodes.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Yeah, that's what they did.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
I was curious. Like, what are we going to talk about for the rest of the episode?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Yeah. And like three weeks before the season started, I don't know, maybe like a week, somewhere before the season started, Ricky was walking the streets of San Francisco and encountered a crime. He intervened in said crime and was shot twice. What? Whoa. Through the chest.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
yeah but it did it felt like katie really had no idea this was coming no you could tell how uncomfortable she was in the moment we're like bringing up something from a decade ago because we went from the paparazzi to that that's what we're saying like they thought it was gonna eat as like the same thing andy giving heather and emily the floor to tell their side of the story uh which was kind of fucking there's like i read all of the like the the police's i read they spoke in the blogs i read that
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Because you don't accuse Heather of calling the paparazzi.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
What is more publicly embarrassing, being caught stalking your rival online or being caught promoting yourself with a Finsta?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
A fan.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Maybe Katie called her and that she has, you know, Katie's picture.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
That's a good question. I bet she does now.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
uh no he survived and he scored his first touchdown over the weekend came back he's a hero wait we should get ricky on the show yeah he got shot and then still twice i believe twice definitely once yes yeah look it up it's crazy if i got shot i'd take the year off right he literally was he was he's a literal hero got shot recovered and is now back scoring touchdowns for the
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
From her... Actual account. From her actual verified Instagram account. Is that the word? Maddie Pruitt? She famously did that.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
You're so real.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
What it doesn't explain is why does she have access to this fan account?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
that she's logged into no no no it was her it was her own account she was commenting on a fan posted photo of the cast you have a point though so she said she was saying that her dad is deleting comments what was the last no the last part though he forgot to switch back to his account there you go so she was saying that he was logged into her account so he's logged in to his account on her phone no
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
This is confusing me.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Gina's dad.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Logs in to his famous real housewife daughter's Instagram? Yes.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
I would have loved for Gina in that moment to be like, guys, we all do this shit.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
I know.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Like when they said, do you want the scoop? And they make up a more unbelievable lie.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Through the chest.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Yeah, not a chance.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
There is zero chance her dad has access to Instagram. Wait, wait, wait.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
She does not have her dad logged into her Instagram just so he can delete comments.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
In the arm. Twice.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Zero chance. He's got her username and password to delete comments.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Oh my God, can you imagine? I wouldn't even go in there. I just mean...
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
You would because you have an amazing relationship with your mom and you're very close and yet you haven't. So she wouldn't.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Sure, if I needed to. But the point is, I've never had to. I just feel like my best friend is a better resource.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
You guys don't know. Guys, of course, anything's possible.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
It's not sad anymore. No, it's on Jen. I'm sorry. At some point, you have to look in the mirror. I mean, it is also... It's terrifying. Honestly, Jen's a perfect example just how easy it is for us to lie to ourselves and how scary it is. Like, after we lie to ourselves for so long, how committed to the lie we are that we'd rather just live the lie rather than face the fact that maybe we were wrong.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Like...
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
And it was like... But what's scary after talking to Emily Baker last week, it's just like she's not married to this guy right now. And at this point, all she is is just, you know, a naive girlfriend who has got a bad boyfriend. The moment she says, I do... Then she's at risk of like becoming a criminal.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Yeah. She's not even willing to consider he did anything.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
And he's given her the everyone's out to get us, no one understands. Us against the world. Us against the world. Bravo doesn't have your best interest in mind. Why would you believe any of them?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
well I mean to a degree it is settling but like she's she's got to see it work she's blowing the world up for a man that might not be the right avenue well that's what's scary though is she made such a big bet and like she to face the reality that she did what she did for this man is not something she's seemingly willing to face yeah
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Did she try to offer like some bullshit explanation for like her?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Every time that there's an active lawsuit, I'm like... Well, I mean, like Emily said to us last week, like... It used in court, everything. Well, that, but you can have immunity from, say, the federal government, but that doesn't include the state government. Well, that's a...
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
I don't know where the IRS is involved in this, but they tend to want their money if you haven't properly paid them as well. So you can have immunity with one court, but still be at risk of all the other legal entities who might come after you for your alleged crimes.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Who never was breakdancing. Well, she was. But now she's not not breakdancing.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Yeah. She's still out there basically preaching the same.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Yeah. What is she backtracking on?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
But she's backtracking on like saying something she shouldn't have said, but she's not backtracking on. She's like, I shouldn't release the videos, but we're still right.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Yeah. Yeah.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
shannon is kind of this adorable person who you know can be a little messy sometimes and they all make fun of her for it like especially after meeting shannon she's like very endearing oh i love her yeah you know she's a little kind of like i don't know loose and with uh i don't know how to say it but like you can see how like snobby sophisticated housewives would like look down on shannon for kind of being a little like
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Whatever, you know, just kind of, you know.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
She's chill, yeah. Not on top of her game, you know, in a way.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Yeah, I mean, she's just kind of very herself and just maybe a little like, oh, I forgot to do that or whatever and just like, oh, no biggie, you know. And you get to see...
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
it's just obvious you can see how she will make it easier for people to make fun of her if they want to make fun of her and it feels real mean because it's never like it just seems very the thing she does is like harmless or whatever but it's like something a mean girl would make fun of like the enema yeah well they talked about it too yeah
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Well, clean your bowels, people. It's healthy to have an enema. Eat good. On that note, anyways, it's time to wrap up. Thank you guys for listening. We want to thank our guest, Ego, for joining our show. Be sure to check her out on SNL in the future. Also, we got Garrett and Taylor on for Going Deeper tomorrow. Be sure to check that out. Your healthy couple from Love is Blind.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
I think the first interesting healthy couple we've had on Love is Blind. You will want to get all the tea from them. Sit down with us as Natalie and I chat with them. And then on Thursday, we are back talking about a whole host of things. And we got Megan McCann, formerly from The View, who's going to pitch us her new reality TV show idea that she has.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
We don't talk politics, but we do the great, the great, the great uniter, reality TV. And Megan McKay is with us to talk about all things Bravo. So excited for that. All right. Well, until then, don't forget to send those questions at asknickofthevalphiles.com for all things Ask Nick. Be sure to check out our Ask Nick episode that dropped on Monday. We'll see you tomorrow. Bye.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
That's not a bit. It's true.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
And there's all these videos of Australian kids being awesome at breakdancing who will never be able to pursue their dream because Ray Gunn thought of Ray Gunn.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Yeah.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
I want a team of just nuns. The WNBA could do it. They're that powerful. They would raise a lot of money. Sister Act 1 or 2, which one's better?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
I grew up around a lot of nuns. I know. Who's your favorite? Sister Teresa. Really? Or Monica. I don't know. There was a Sister Monica. I grew up on.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Yeah. Okay. But I don't remember their names.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Well, but... But it wasn't, it was like, you know, it was a diet. Diets are meant to be broken, you know?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
I don't know what Cantor's is.
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Is it the one across the street from John and Vinny's?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Is it good or is it just famous? Is it more good than famous?
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E839 - SNL w/ Ego Nwodim, Brianna LaPaglia and Zach Bryan, RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC, & the Grammy Nominations
Do they have breakfast? Yes.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
Murder and sexual violence. And for true crimers out there to be like coming up with their fun theories and speculation about like family members and friends who, assuming they aren't guilty of whatever crimes being discussed, are dealing with this very terrible tragedy. And then you have all these like wannabe detectives and true crime experts going out and coming up with theory after theory.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
It's like it's kind of like disgusting and horrifying. Mm hmm. I think some of the true crime people out there do a great job and have like some, you know, standards and they do try to police themselves to like have tact. But I think there's a lot who don't. And I remember like having that quick discussion with Gypsy at the time. And it,
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
It made a lot of sense because I think she's been so turned off by just people like that, having all these theories and speculations and coming up with the stuff that's completely out of pocket. And for the people involved, probably incredibly hurtful to hear about.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
It's like, girl, when that woman talks, it's something something dark.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
She's suing or she's threatening.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
She works for a law firm. She seems to be hired.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
We did fully tear it down.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
Yeah, Nancy Grace.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
Yeah.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
It resonated with people. It did. Yeah. It was a shockwave.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
So did the internet. And then the people listening, now if you're listening, you're like, did Nick tear down his grandfather's lake house? To which I answer, yeah. I tore down my house. It was my house. I can do whatever I want with it. Sierra, you have this look at a disgust on your face.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
Listen, people like a spectacle. And the internet is full of spectacles.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
They're really pro-Britney over in that town, in that jurisdiction.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
It had to be.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
Well, we have a big week lined up for you all on The Vile Files. Before we talk about this coming week, don't forget that Dylan Efron's Going Deeper episode dropped last Friday, and it is a must-listen, must-watch episode. You will all want to make sure you check out. Today's episode is going to continue to be wacky and fun. We have Harvey Guillen with us, star of What We Do in the Shadows.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
He's also in the new movie Compassionate.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
companion he's also a big housewives fan and we are excited to talk with him all things housewives coming up as well as we have britney from traders joining us later this episode to talk about her scandalous exit and her voting for danielle i'm honestly a lot of people are thanking her for really the only drama that we were given in the finale even though it was sweet and everyone got along and on the fifth one together with a little more
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
Brittany is with us to talk about her shakeup in the castle. And then we have this week on Going Deeper on Wednesday, Will and Emmy from Southern Hospitality. Will did not show up for the reunion. Well, he did show up for the reunion, but did not go on stage. He does show up here.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
here we think i don't know he's supposed to show up later today we will sit down with will and emmy to talk about their whole season their relationship the rumors the nastiness all the things going on about them and their season of southern hospitality that is this wednesday and then thursday's jam-packed as well uh we have heather mcdonald is joining us uh i was on heather mcdonald's uh show last week we debated justin and blake not sure if uh
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
We'll talk a lot of Housewives with Heather, maybe a little Justin and Blake. South by Southwest is going on. A lot of movie premieres. Blake and the rest of her cast was there premiering their new movie, Another Simple Favor. So Blake's out and about. And then the fans were trolling, as the fans do.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
I just find it fascinating that for all the hardcore Justin stands out there, one of the rumors they like to throw out or the theories is the attraction that they allege Blake having for Justin. And it's just like, wait a second, if she was going to have a thing for any of her.
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That's what I'm saying. Like that guy, he is sex.
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I've heard you talk about it. Oh, my God.
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We definitely picked out some tile.
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Yeah, we.
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She didn't, you know.
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Which is what Blake's response was.
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Also, like, I don't know, maybe two coworkers not being best friends isn't, like, whatever. Like, I fucking hate Mary. Wow.
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The Love is Blind finale and reunion have come and gone and we only have one married couple. But good for them.
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He kicked them out. He kicked them out. I took it out. To my house. No, we had been, you know, so like we got the lake house a couple years ago and it was this beautiful, you know, it was great to be back. After being there, you know, it was very much like a trying to figure out what exactly about this place like means so much to me, right?
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I think it's our fat asses.
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Y'all are hilarious.
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We weren't, thankfully, at the same parties 15 years ago. Oh my god, who that?
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Maybe it was a desire for our fat asses and our souls.
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I want to be clear. I also have a fat ass.
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I just don't want anyone to think I'm objectifying my wife.
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I'm objectifying myself too. Anyways. Anyways. String, string. Congratulations to Taylor and Daniel for giving Minneapolis the only reason to move here.
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Can I say something? Mostly to you. A little bit to you.
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I'm sorry.
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My point still stands about sex.
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Not necessarily the truth, but my point still stands. I do think Lauren was misguided. I didn't think Lauren put herself in the best possible position to be successful on the show. That's all I'm saying. I think she should have considered the environment she was going into and then thought how things might have played out. That being said, Dave's is so full of shit. Yeah.
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You know, it's just like when he came out there at the reunion, it was like, Lauren's the one who got away. Motherfucker. And it dawned on me, it dawned on me, like, I don't fault Dave for having been thrown off by the revelation of Lauren's relationship coming into this relationship.
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Yeah. And then for him to show up at the reunion and pretend that she's the one who got away and Lauren being like, you motherfucker had my number the whole fucking time.
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And like when we were going back and forth between trying to get the house back, we were also looking at other lake property on the lake because it was like we didn't know if the My grandfather's house was available at the time. And then I was like, I really want to be back on the lake. But then we thankfully got it.
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You could have bought me a goddamn drink.
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Well, he also didn't listen to my advice at the reunion. He decided to pull his whole fucking stunt.
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Madison has a whole new look. She went from...
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The blonde looks nice though.
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all of it i thought her hair looked nice it is like just hard to keep up with because we saw three different versions of madison in a short period of time i know that like the power of cameras and timing like she probably felt like this was like just normal you know it has been a year no that's what i'm saying it has been a year but for us it was like jesus christ i can't keep up with this girl fuck she is so fucking messy does anyone believe anything that comes out of that woman's mouth
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Yeah, and Madison kind of told on herself because she's like, well, it's how I feel. When anyone is going back and forth in an argument and then they have nothing left but just being like, but guys, it is how I felt. And that's really the only argument they have left, which is like, yeah, we are all entitled to our feelings. Mm-hmm. That is a fact.
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But like if all you have are your feelings and then like no facts or really like, you know, statements of truth or anything like that, but just the fact that you felt a certain way and was hurt by someone else for some reason. Mm-hmm. And then that's your justification for doing whatever it is you said or did. That seems to be Madison. It's just like, yeah, but I was hurt.
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And then we were back on the lake and quickly realized that like it was the land itself, like where the where the property is located on the lake is quite exquisite and stunning and beautiful and a perfect view of like the sunset and things like that. And the house was like nicely preserved. It was like very much. There's a lot about that house that like I remembered is like a like a nine year old.
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It's like, no, I'm sure you were, but like, that doesn't justify any of these things that you're like allegedly did. And then like her, her receipts are, I was just confused. So according to her, Alex basically, he didn't talk shit.
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Small face. Like I'm dead. Like, ha ha ha. My friends are so goofy. Uh ha ha. Like they're so silly and fun. Dead.
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How is that her? How is that him talking shit?
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And why? Also, like it does. It felt like this particular reunion. It felt like all the ladies taking their turn.
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on everyone but um our our happily engaged taylor taylor and then lauren was also i don't think it was all the ladies honestly i think it was just madison and sarah that i had madison and sarah virginia didn't have a problem well particularly monica madison and sarah all like took their respective turns on trying to tell their story and why they think they deserve the ariana maddox treatment
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That seems to be the new thing on reality TV sometimes where it's just like they want to give their pitch on why they feel the most scorned or why they were the most unfairly treated by their breaker up counterpart. And they want the sympathy of the audience to get all the ad campaigns.
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Why does that make him a bad guy?
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Because it sure felt like their versions were just more like he had a version of a breakup where there were some maybe hurt feelings and she had a version. But it felt like both their versions included them being like normal people where no one really did anything.
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But it's an old fucking house. And so we were just like, you know, it was like totally fine. Totally fine. Totally fine. And then but we were like quickly wanted to like remodel it. You know, now that we're back on the lake, I want to invest in the future. Like now that we have river and hopefully we grow are lucky enough to grow our family. But like, I really want to invest in this place.
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Well, the ghosting seemed to be unclear.
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I appreciate all these people trying to give us good dramatic TV, but it really feels like that. Like they're just trying. Like there's nothing really here. Like there's nothing really happened. There's maybe some hurt feelings. Maybe someone could have communicated a little better or a little bit more effectively or could have been a little bit more upfront.
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But there's always like when you're really upfront, then you get accused of being a dick. You know, all I'm saying is when it comes to breakups, did someone did really something wrong here? Is he allowed to decide not to move to Nashville after maybe agreeing to moving to Nashville? Or is that like a life contract of some kind?
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I don't doubt it. But people feel disrespected all the time. And that's kind of my point. Feeling disrespected isn't a crime.
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And when we go back to the lake, it's like nice to be there. But like, you know, there's like yellow water in the showers and it's like kind of plumbing issues. It's like an old house and it's like, you know, it's clean water. Don't, it's like high in iron or whatever. Like, I don't know what it is.
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She's not obligated, but like it is a little.
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Not necessarily. But I look at it the other way. I look at it as she found it to be potentially financially beneficial for her not to be on good terms with Ben. We don't know that. We don't. You're right. But we also don't know his motives either.
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A little douchey, whatever. I'm just saying, we can sit here and poke fun. I just think there's a big difference between some of these accusations being thrown around this reunion versus Raven back in the day when she was being two-timed
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but that's kind of my point it's just like there's no real meat on these bones right there's no no there's like the worst thing the worst accusation here is you were gonna move and then you know is that everything was scripted and nothing was genuine but i i agree i like i agree i agree with your interpretation i think he looked like a guy who was i'm not gonna argue with her because i'm not gonna win here like no one's gonna have my side i'm not gonna raise my voice and get into it with sarah on the couch i'll just like
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you know I'll give you that one I'll say I was wrong and like you can think what you want because I'm not gonna win and honestly that was probably the smart move because he's I do wish they would have given Joey's sister a mic because she seemed like she wanted to get real vocal yeah when Monica was coming at him but
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Smells like pennies. Nice. You know, you're just, it's like fine. So we first, like, we're looking to remodel the house. Like, that was the ultimate goal to remodel the house. We brought a builder out. We threw a bunch of different plans. We were like having all these crazy ideas. We were like, you know, lift the ceiling up.
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No. He could have definitely forgotten.
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I mean, it's not that hard to believe that he had a million things running through his mind and the check that his mom's boss wrote for $1,000.
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Well, when did he cash the check?
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But it was alleged that he hadn't cashed it yet. It seemed to my understanding he had not cashed it. I think Virginia... And I'm just saying, but if you have the prenup theory, that theory doesn't work. Because if he cashes it after they're married, then they're sharing it.
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But when did he cash the check?
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I don't know.
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I don't, I guess. Congratulations, but thanks?
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Does perfect match, like, have they ever had an engaged couple? I don't know if, like, that's the show.
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It's Alex Warren, though. Do you remember our guest, Alex Warren? Alex Warren, he was on our podcast. Was that Alex Warren?
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Wow. Kind of, yeah. That makes sense now. Nice performance. Good for him.
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And it was like, then the builder the whole time was like, you know, honestly, it's like a really old house. And I just think maybe, just might make the most sense to just like start over. And I was like, ah, I don't really want to do that. Like there's obviously some like, sentiment here. And so finally we went back and forth and I like had this vision of what exactly I wanted the house with.
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Well, I, for whatever you think about season eight's Love is Blind in Minneapolis, I heard season nine in Denver is a smash hit.
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Full of toxicity and drama. They need it. That's what I heard.
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We'll see if they come through.
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We've done worse.
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Harvey, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. How are you doing? I'm good. Love what we do in the shadows. Thank you. Always been a fan. We're also very excited that you're a big Housewives fan.
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And it was like, we're going to keep this part of the house and we're going to add on to it. So it was really just kind of take the inspiration of like the original house to layout and really make it bigger and grander because I want space. I want my parents to like feel, my parents live there and they take care of the place. But like when we are there,
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If Todd flew you private to Japan and then was like, you got to find your own way home, buddy. Would you be fine with that? That's fine. Or would you go the distance with Lisa? I don't wear coach and I don't buy coaching.
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I was in first class. I'm freaking out. It's really fucked up, honestly. That is what you call a farce. Okay. Well, half truth. Half truth, half lie? Yeah.
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I want it to feel like our house as well, right? And so, you know, I want my parents to have their own master bedroom and master bathroom and walk-in closet. And then on the other side of the house, Natalie and I have our own master bedroom, walk-in closet, master bathroom. And I want it to be like a sanctuary and I want it to be like a spa and I want it to be wonderful and nice and fucking good.
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50-50. I did buy her something really big recently. Lacently. Let me guess.
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We just can't afford it. We're on a bunch. You can afford it.
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No, I didn't pay for it. I didn't pay for it. I got it. See, the YouTube got me first class.
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Well, that was because when I checked in, they're like, do you want to upgrade for a couple bucks? And I was like, sure.
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I'm
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And anyway, so...
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And Bronwyn was there. We went to that party a couple years ago. We haven't been invited since.
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yeah the first it was meant to be a remodel uh and so the the design of the house is basically inspired by the original layout of the house okay that makes sense like the stairs where the stairs were located in the original house or is the exact same place where the stairs are located in the new house and then we actually have a kitchen downstairs which is going to be like a lakeside kitchen for when we entertain but it's going to be a really nice one upstairs
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Yeah. I mean, her best friend and co-star, Teddy, like, is literally fighting for her life. I mean... I mean, I gotta assume, like... The petty drama just isn't worth it. Just like, you know, you're just like, I don't... Who gives a shit? Yeah.
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How many OGs?
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That's crazy.
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And that downstairs kitchen is going to be in the same spot. So very long story shorter, even longer story made to be shorter. It's not being made shorter. Very long story remaining to be long story. My long story is still a long story. So anyways, we were going to save this and save that.
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Why couldn't Sutton fly her mom out? She did.
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She's getting like 300K a month. Yeah, no. You're not wrong. She couldn't allocate like 50 of that?
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But he doesn't.
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Is Hilaria better than Hillary? Why would she opt for Hilaria? Because she's hilarious. Duh, as would I. But she is hilarious, but I don't know if it's a with.
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And like, as we, they were tearing things down and they were just like, it's just, just, you know, this doesn't make sense. Just tear it down. And like, again, to me, it's like the property is what has the meaning behind it. I was very grateful that when we bought the house back, it was preserved.
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Super sexy. I love that. Did you keep up and watch any Vanderpump before it exited?
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I assume that invite's coming from Miss Lady.
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How does one get invited to said party?
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Like it was, it was very cool to have lost the house when I was like nine years old and got it back and have much of the house being like what I remembered. They had remodeled it. They had done some additions. They had done some little projects, but it very much like looked like the house. And that was cool. But now that I am the owner, it was just like people upgrade their house.
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I thought they met on Broadway.
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People remodel their house. People change their house. It's just like I'm not going to live in an outdated old house if I can make it better. Just because like my grandfather like started it. You know, people upgrade their houses all the time.
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There's some past drama that's going to definitely come out.
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Yeah, I want to. Are you team Will and Emmy or team rest of the group? Rest of the group, I think.
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The group.
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No, I'm not. You know, it's like 50-50 if you hear a rumor. If you're like, you know, are you supposed to tell the person? Are you not supposed to tell the person? But, like, this whole cast is like, no, we need to tell them.
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And we need to make it our mission to make sure that they, like, hear this rumor and know this rumor. Regardless if the rumors are true.
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I mean, again, my goal for the house is it's going to be quite much, much bigger. And I want it to be our family house. I want it to be a place that we can comfortably entertain my brothers and sisters, family and friends. When we go up there, my parents don't feel lived out, pushed out. There's space. I'm investing in the future. Honestly, now that I'm a new dad, I'm like...
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Yeah.
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See, the plan is to be like, fuck that person. I'm glad they're dead. Yeah. Just have no emotion at all. Yeah.
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Did you jump into Summer House this season?
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You'll catch up. They'll flash back.
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This was 100% like producers. Yes. You know what I'm saying? Like I doubt that Lindsay was like, you know what I want to do? I'm going to do my gender reveal here with this group.
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They're professional TV makers and I think the producers have ideas and they go along with it. That's true. I don't think at this day and age, I don't know how many seasons. Nine. Nine? I don't know.
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the next 20 years of my life, I'm really leaning in. I'm really like, it's, it's all about making the next 20 years like as magical and as fun as possible.
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I just think when a producer's producing and they throw an ultrasound picture on top of a mantle, I don't think any of the cast members nine seasons in are that prickly or that sensitive where they're going to be like, oh my God, don't do that. You know what I'm saying? They're squeezing all the juice they can out of these lemons, so to speak.
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How would you, if I was not there for our gender reveal party and I guess your ex-lover was and then you text me like, hey, went good. And if my response was, oh, that's nice. How would you feel?
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If I was in first class at the time when I text you back.
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Well then you could start the next chapter of your life over. Cause I'll, yeah, we'll pretty much be dead.
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Um, I know a lot of people have thoughts and feelings. They were, they were now posted some pictures of the, um, of the project. And we got a couple, how dare yous.
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Lisa Barlow.
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He's really gotten outspoken.
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Can I say something nice about Erica? Yes. I know we're pivoting because I'm still a little... I don't know how I feel about those earrings. They're still sparkling and dangling.
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I know. And I have.
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For the most part. Let it go.
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Let it go. They're just earrings.
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But she really, honestly, it's not easy to have a fall from grace like she had and have your whole world change and to go from mansion and opulence, all this, to little bungalow in Beverly Hills. And while it's still nice and I'm sure very expensive relative to your...
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Well, the concrete steps that have the engraving of my mom's names and my uncle's names is still being preserved. We're saving that. There's so many places in the yard that are very much preserved. But like, yeah, we didn't keep the old shitty pipes intact.
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She does look good. And I'm happy for her.
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How many times is storming off at the reunion too many? It's been rumored that Kyle storms off twice at the reunion. She stormed off during the show. So that's added on. And over allegedly the same topic, which is her and Moe.
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Kyle?
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I don't know.
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and like the the moldy whatever the fuck or whatever and we decided instead of like having you know to work around this like low eight foot ceiling or seven foot ceiling that was like what they did in 1965 we just said we're gonna make our own goddamn house and it's gonna be inspired by the original house and it's gonna be a beautiful piece of property on my family's piece of land
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Yeah. This has been so much fun, Harvey. Thank you. Can you tell us where we can follow you, where we can... Plug away. Just plug away.
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You can check Harvey out on the new movie Companion. Wait, is it? What?
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Anyways, yeah.
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What accent was that?
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Did you guys watch last night? No. Yes, I did.
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Definitely not an expert. Don't know anything about medicine or addiction or anything like that. But doesn't it feel like Shep's behavior regarding his now ex-girlfriend, it's like giving like, you know, he got kind of clean or whatever. It's giving just like impulsive.
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It's giving like he's replacing like the excitement and rush of the adrenaline of partying with the excitement and rush of like heartbreak and pain.
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almost I mean as far as I know he's never had his heart broken so he said on the show he's had his heart broken three times I don't know how believable that is I mean whatever though whether he has or hasn't I'm just saying right now he is like almost leaning in to just like being embarrassed and being crushed because it's like
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He's giving gambler at a casino with a gambling problem who just wants to feel the fucking comeback, right? It's like he's down bad, he's lost a ton of money, and he's still gonna double down and still give this woman flowers and write her poetry. And she clearly doesn't want it. Everyone's telling him to stop.
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All his friends are being like, don't spend any more money at the fucking blackjack table. And Shep's just like, you mean, what did he say? He says like,
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unreasonable or ridiculous for Craig to ask him to be like level-headed I don't know what his exact wording was but basically Shep was just like it was insane for his friend to expect him to do something sane in a way and I'm like wow this is really giving like you know he's having a midlife crisis is what I see
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But he's a 40 year old man. But it's replacing, you know, like I'm saying I feel like this.
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I decided not to be burdened by what has been.
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Well, listen, when you're in your 20s and 30s, you're not that far removed from college. Even your immediate family, your mom, dad, brothers and sisters. I don't know, like Shep's situation. But I think it's easier if you don't have like a drive to like be a mom or a dad or have a family.
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But when you get into your 30s and 40s and people grow, you know, your family gets older, you know, maybe brothers and sisters also get in relationships, have kids. I don't know. Your parents get older. You know, you start taking care of them more than they're taking care of you.
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all your friends your bros you know your craigs of the world and and your austins who you thought would be your ride and die forever and they're the ones who like had your back in your 20s and 30s and you talk to them every day they're the ones you like you know opened up to about whatever it is you wanted to open up to you'd go out you know thursday friday saturday sunday tuesday together and things like that and then
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uh maybe maybe yeah i don't know i just um and then there's me is there a four seasons nearby there is not there's a couple there are a couple of you know my mom every once in a while will give us a oh but she's she's happy with her giant new bedroom and closet and bathroom and
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People start slowly growing up and getting older. And Craig is trying to do that as well. And it's just like when all of a sudden you're 40, then you start realizing, you know what? Who's going to be with me the rest of my life? You know, who's going to be by my side, you know, through thick and thin? Like, who am I going to do life together with?
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Because I don't know if I could do it with Austin and Craig. You know, maybe maybe that idea when I was 25 seemed good enough. But like now I'm not so sure, you know, and I feel like that you're seeing a little bit of that where it's just like, what does life look like for the next 10 or 15 years for some of these guys? Or it's just like, I don't know.
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You can change fast, though. I mean, like, you know, maybe this is the wake-up call Shep needs, you know? Like, I am...
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Girl.
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She just is not in you. If he's the one taking the paper and cutting himself, then yeah, I guess.
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Look, no one's making you do this.
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yeah yeah he did okay he did raise it he did raise a good question of like when you're about to break up with someone do you still give them the gift no no no right no anything i want my gift back a lot of people do but it's always a mistake and i've made that mistake before but it's like they don't want it um you really want to see it through i don't know it's just like this will change everything the megalon dawn to like your love is extinct just like that shark
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It's a Megalodon tooth with a gold chain holding it. You keep saying the name, but it doesn't... You've never watched Shark Week?
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A big shark.
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Like, are they real, is my question. But why is that a necklace you would, like, always give to a girl? That's what he gave her?
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Have you received a lot of those from Southern men?
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Is he either?
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Yeah, that's what I thought it was.
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Why doesn't he lead with that?
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True.
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Oh, and then he has got the restaurant, so he's... I mean, like, everyone knows Rachel Lindsay's a lawyer, and when was the last time she practiced law?
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We kept some stuff. Honestly, I'm not a hoarder. You can't be attached to stuff like that. The land is truly what makes that place special and beautiful.
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He's an ambulance chaser. A billboarder. Does he have a billboard? No.
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Why don't we know this about Craig?
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Good for him then. How's that going?
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Is there any people out there with a neck brace being like, that Craig Carnover made me $1,000 or something?
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Does he have a commercial?
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Have you been rear-ended by a bad day?
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No, it's great. Why don't we have any scenes of... Of Lawyer Craig?
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Why couldn't Craig help JT with his cane situation? Didn't he have an injury or something?
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Does his hours of operation, is he technically open right now? Yeah. Pull up the Yelp. Am I fender-bendered right now?
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Call the number and be like, someone just ran over my ego. No? We shouldn't prank call Conovers?
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What just happened?
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Sue Dillon. Oh, on TikTok?
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Yes.
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Are those cigarette earrings?
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Well, you'll know where you are in the house. It's like the stairs are in the exact same spot. It'll look like... Am I crazy? You look like you're judging me.
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All right. Well, up next, she recently left the Castle of Traitors because she backstabbed her friend Danielle again. And now we get to find out why. Brittany. Brittany!
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How are you?
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Yeah, earth tones, but like- It's getting like, pour out your heart and tell us all your deepest, darkest secrets, and- Is that what, is that your gig?
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We just want you to say whatever it is you want to say, you know? Like, I don't know. We're here to invite people to be their truest selves.
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Yeah.
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Quick, give us your biggest conspiracy theory.
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uh have you survived the wrath of traitor nation does traitor nation have like a nickname is it like or do we need i think once a fan base becomes toxic enough they get like a name you know i think that's really the barometer are you pulling from bachelor nation i am yes yes they are in fact toxic enough to have a name like bachelor nation uh brought what is bravo bravo sphere bravo sphere they're definitely toxic enough i love you guys but we let's be honest here
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A little toxic.
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you sound like Marie Kondo she would say the same the organizer yeah she's like throw away anything that doesn't bring you joy like thank you for what it's given you and send it away you'll never forget the memories yeah I just don't like why would we it would like it would be ridiculous to like try to build around and work around this old construction it just didn't make any sense just for for like sentimental purposes
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At you stabbing Daniela in the back again? Is that what they're referring to?
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I'm on your side, but I would love to hear your defense. Not that I need to hear it, but Maybe some people do.
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Does Danielle see your POV at this point or no? Do you think?
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she kind of sold you out after you voted for her because it, it, she totally did. She basically was like, yeah, well, uh, you're cool. You're cool. Brittany's a fucking traitor. I'm out. Bye.
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Your logic was basically because like had you voted for Danielle, then it would have been a tie again. Right. And then what they would have coin flipped it or like they would have.
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Well, forget about what I did wrong, listeners. Your real vitriol should be directed towards James Kennedy. Because if you have not heard, he's best friends with the Tate brothers.
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What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of The Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick, and there are some people who are following us that are a little perturbed, I think, with me. I'm not sure. You're probably asking, oh, of course. And then you're like, well, which thing did I do that they're mad about? There's probably so many.
The Viall Files
E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
Yeah. So basically you're just like, I'm not leaving my existence here down to a coin flip.
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Makes sense to me, yeah.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
What did you think of the remaining faithful all leaving together and having four winners? Cause you definitely were like the only drum drama of the entire finale. And then it was just like, Oh,
The Viall Files
E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
You make a great point. And honestly, I think that was a huge mistake in Danielle's game. Like I would have recruited Gabby or Dylan because she was so locked in.
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One of the brothers responded.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
It was, she was so locked in on you, you know, it's just like everyone just assume and rightfully so. And like, had she picked the other two, it would have changed everything.
The Viall Files
E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
Calling bullshit. So for those of you guys who don't know, the Tate brothers are...
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
They were just looking into his eyes.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
Yeah, I didn't know there were brothers. I just thought there was the one.
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Without trying to waste too much energy talking about them, a lot of toxicity. They might be the poster children for toxic masculinity or anything toxic. I mean, they've been arrested for, I think, trafficking and some other horrific things. I don't know. They seem like bad news.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
So Danielle swore on her grandkids and then like Rochelle and other people were also swearing on things that were important to them, basically?
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
peer pressure right like if somebody brings it up then everybody else has to like oh yeah i swear on mine too i swear on mine too what if you didn't because like i don't know like i for for a game my daughter i'm sorry i ain't swearing on fucking anything i don't care if i'm a faithful or a traitor i ain't doing that shit like if you
The Viall Files
E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
How we're working with other Bachelor people, obviously Gabby did very well. Wells went home right away. But I also feel like Bachelor people historically do very well on these shows, even though people often don't expect them to.
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I mean, I turned down a selfie with Jax Taylor way back when because I was worried about the optics. Taking a picture with the Tate brothers is a whole new level. And given James's Kennedy, I like to call him Ike Kennedy's recent past with his alleged violence towards his ex-girlfriend.
The Viall Files
E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
Yeah, season one.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
No, like, Bachelor people are so afraid of being, like, the villain or looking like the bad guy. So, like, the idea of a traitor and having to kill someone is just, like, it gives them the heebie-jeebies. It's just, like, it's...
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
So you're not a threat. I'm not a threat. There you go. I hope I get a chance.
The Viall Files
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That's what I've heard. I think I'm rumored to be on every season until I get on one season, I guess. I don't know. Maybe because we cover it or something. I don't know. I hope someday I get the chance. I hope someday my schedule allows it. It looks like a lot of fun.
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You didn't have fun? You didn't have fun?
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
OK, well, Brittany, thank you very much for taking the time and giving us that insight. Are you do you think maybe any more like Big Brother, like all stars? Are you are you looking for more?
The Viall Files
E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
Okay.
The Viall Files
E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
Maybe someday, like, you know, like, Traitors is three seasons now. You think they'll have a Traitors All-Stars?
The Viall Files
E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
I think the selfie that he took with the Tate brothers was some might say the company he was keeping at least seemed to align with his past alleged behavior in the worst possible way. But then James quickly denied. What did he write?
The Viall Files
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Well, it's a very popular show right now, so... When they make money, they look to make more. So who knows? Brittany, thanks so much for taking the time. We appreciate you. Where can people follow you?
The Viall Files
E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
Plug away. Tell them all the good stuff.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
All right, well, check it out. Brittany, appreciate your time. Thank you so much.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
Bye-bye. She made a good point about like, it's almost as if Danielle had no way to win at that point. Unless, I mean, Brittany was her, I guess, only option. It makes sense.
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Well, that's maybe the thing. It's just like the alliances weren't as strong as CT.
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Yeah. They obviously had been friends from their time on the challenge together, and it seemed like Gabby and Dylan were maybe the closest line to that point, but that was after a whole season of Dylan going after Gabby, as he mentioned to us in his Going Deeper episode. You really have to have someone that you're going to be like, I'm going to fuck these other people over.
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You kind of have to know. CT and Trishel kind of knew, hey, we're going to screw over MJ. Yeah.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
But in the moment, without being able to talk to any of your peers, are you really going to actually do that and assume that everyone else is aligned with you? Because no one really was. I mean, it takes one red flame. It only takes one red flame. And then you can be like, this guy doesn't need the fucking money.
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He's rich.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
Well, like we said, we have Emmy and Will with us tomorrow for a very juicy episode of Going Deeper to talk all about the summer hospitality reunion, why Will wasn't there, what's going on with their relationship, all that drama, and so much more will be tomorrow. Do we feel comfortable we left off summer house?
The Viall Files
E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
It was just self-deprecating enough of West for her to be comfortable enough to laugh about it.
The Viall Files
E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
He's so poor. Ha, I feel better about myself.
The Viall Files
E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
I don't know. I don't agree with how Kyle handled it, per se. Clearly, Kyle feels on an island. He feels alone. And not saying who's right or wrong, but I don't know. If you're married, and Kyle has had his transgressions against Amanda, well-documented the things he said and shouldn't say towards his wife.
The Viall Files
E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
But you shouldn't have to fight with your partner, your spouse, about having each other's back and feeling like your partner has your back. And I don't know how Kyle and Amanda got to the point in which they got into. But clearly, Kyle feels like he is on an island as it relates to his business. And while I don't agree with how things might be handled, if there are rumors...
The Viall Files
E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
being spread about him and his business that are coming from craig and these rumors are negatively affecting his business i would i would feel a certain way about it there aren't rumors that are it's craig just worked with a different company yeah no but like i don't know what wasn't kyle saying about like you know hannah for oh the hannah he got sure but everything that's going on between like hannah and craig and all these rumors you know all the things that kyle's mad about
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Then the less famous brother responded to James's denial of knowing the brothers, and he wrote, begged and kissed my ass for 30 minutes straight and called me a hero. Oh! He knew exactly who I was and what content I made. He's just a well, he just then he offends him and then says, fuck this guy. Who knows who to believe, so to speak. Not that neither of them are either parties.
The Viall Files
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I mean, if you're Kyle, I mean, you fight for that right, you know. Yeah, that's true.
The Viall Files
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But like, yeah, I don't get what page is supposed to do. Exactly. It's not, not page responsibility. That's why it's just more like, and the fight was between like Kyle and page. I get that. But I'm just saying like, Kyle shouldn't feel like he's on an Island. He should, his,
The Viall Files
E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
Like rage texting someone is crazy. Wow.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
One other thing, though, I will say, though. It's tough in adult relationships, especially when money or business or adult topics sometimes get intertwined with friendships. Sometimes you have to pick sides. And it's really tough to play both sides or maintain friendships with two opposing sides who are in conflict with each other. Eventually, you just are forced to pick a side, you know?
The Viall Files
E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
And while I don't agree with Kyle and how he went after Paige, I guess I can see a situation where Kyle's married to Amanda. Amanda and Paige are best friends. There's, you know, Paige is hosting her podcast with Hannah, who like very much Kyle and Hannah don't get along. And every once in a while, Hannah's on their very popular show talking her shit.
The Viall Files
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And then Paige's ex-boyfriend or then boyfriend is like... I can see why things get a little convoluted and every once in a while, here is Kyle hanging around Paige, who recently was just hanging around Hannah, who recently said some shit about his business. I'm just saying eventually, it's just really hard to constantly be Switzerland.
The Viall Files
E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
and sometimes like you know you need to take a stand and sometimes friends involved are just like you know get pissed being like why are you why do you hang out with that piece of shit or why do you fuck with that person and blah blah blah not not agreeing with anything but i just like it's really hard to be switzerland over and over and then like maintain this level of like you know page is acting like a martyr for like trying to play both sides but it's it's also like and i get it for her standpoint she wants to be friends with everyone but
The Viall Files
E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
I'm just saying eventually that clock ticks and eventually someone comes and says, hey, you can't be Switzerland anymore. I need you to pick a side. And all I'm saying is I kind of get that.
The Viall Files
E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
She may pick Hannah 10 times out of 10. I'm just saying if, well, I don't agree with how Kyle's handled it. I'm just, I can get, I can get why eventually he's just like, I don't give a, like, fine. You're, you're not on my fucking side.
The Viall Files
E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
You know, there's a lot of times where Natalie and I will have conversations with people we hang out with or acquaintances of ours or people at times where we've like referred to as friends. And every once in a while, I'll say to Natalie or she'll say to me, these people aren't our friends, you know?
The Viall Files
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And you really, as you get in adulthood, like you need to know who your friends are and you need to know who has your back and you need to know who's talking shit when you're not around and who is defending you if shit gets talked behind your back when you're not there. And that's good to know who those people are.
The Viall Files
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And, you know, I just eventually, it gets to a point where you're just like, I don't want to fuck with people who I know don't have our back. And I kind of get it. Period. Anyways, that will do it for us this episode. Tomorrow, don't forget Will and Emmy of Southern Hospitality. If you haven't been watching this show, you're missing out. Many have called it what is replacing
The Viall Files
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your Vanderpump rules itch. So if you're looking for messy people working at a bar and like fucking and dating and accusing each other of sleeping around, this is the show for you. And we have Will and Emmy addressing all of the rumors and drama tomorrow on Going Deeper. And then we're back on Thursday for another hit reality recap episode. We'll see you then. Bye-bye.
The Viall Files
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I will say none of it really makes sense, right? Because if you're James, it's like, how do you not know who these guys are? Especially like whether you went into this event, there seemed to be some event or like he was in a Vegas event.
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Maybe it was a UFC thing. But like, even if you don't know who these guys are, when they walk into a room, Like they're making enough of a scene that someone's being like, yeah, it's them. Yeah. And who's them? It's like, well, they've done. It's like, so that doesn't make sense. Then he posts the selfie.
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Didn't he write Bitcoin? Yes.
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You know that they like, I guess that's a Bitcoin. It's like, you know, they're into Bitcoin, but you don't know that they were arrested for like trafficking, human trafficking.
The Viall Files
E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
Anyways, then he posts a denial and it's just like, but like, I don't know. It doesn't make.
The Viall Files
E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
I'm really, really looking forward to Lisa Vanderpump's excuse for James. That should be fun. Yeah, that'll be really, really interesting.
The Viall Files
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I'm a little offended that she was in Los Angeles and didn't reach out to us. Her and Ken will randomly like send us a picture of their growing family.
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It could be.
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Like, who knows, right?
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
To Gypsy's credit, I remember when I first met her, I was like I was kind of like, hey, Gypsy, would you ever be interested in doing a true crime podcast? And she quickly was like, you know, like she has no interest in true crime, which I mean, at the time, I didn't know anything about her other than we just interviewed her. Yeah. I shamelessly was like, hey, you want to do a true crime podcast?
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I live to piss people off. Some of you know, maybe some of you don't. We are remodeling the lake house. It is under construction. The concrete has been poured.
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And I didn't really know, but I didn't really know what her response would be and I didn't really have an opinion on what her response should be. But after she gave that response of kind of being like, no, I want nothing to do with it, it made me appreciate her more because I didn't put much thought into it.
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But once she gave that response, it was a normal response to be like, I don't want anything to do with this true crime community. I think the true crime community I mean, has made her life quite honestly a living hell. I was talking with our friend of show, Emily Baker, our official unofficial legal correspondent of The Vile Files.
The Viall Files
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And I was talking to her about like true crime podcasts in general is that space. And she was, you know, again, like with podcasting in general, it's kind of like the Wild West. There's no like rules. People kind of come up with their own standards and things get a little hairy and dicey, especially in the true crime podcast space when when.
The Viall Files
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true crimers are discussing unsolved cases and there's like always like this insane amount of speculation look at you know not to get into it but the justin and blake of it all is this like it's not a you know murder case or anything like that but it's unsolved we don't know that you know and now there's just like theory after theory after theory after theory and like you know fine say what you want about the blake and just of it all but some of these true crime cases like involve like murder
The Viall Files
E882 - Traitors w/ Derrick, Bach w/ Alli Jo, Paige & Craig, LVP Talks James Kennedy, and Super Bowl Recap
I just wanted to give the Philadelphia Eagles a congratulatory shout out. You know, good for them. They won the Super Bowl. And I say this as someone who really hates them.
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I don't think Paige anything wrong either. I mean, I guess.
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Imagine if Matt James went to Rachel Curtano after the breakup and said, can you go... Again, Craig's heart is broken.
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I don't know if you've ever heard your heart broken or everyone listening who's had their heart broken, but when your heart is broken, when someone that you were in your mind and with them not too long ago talking about a future with them, even if they were mentally checked out and you didn't even realize, And then you find that that person just doesn't want to be with you.
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Like, and I, listen, no one's about like, Hey, you got to move on more than me because I'm someone who like struggled moving on from relationships. But I know the pain it feels when like someone breaks your heart and Craig has to do this on a national fucking platform.
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And for all the people out there who are critiquing his watch, what happens live performance and like appearance or in like December when he like, when he was allegedly broken up with page and like,
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kind of talked as if they were still together like if I'm in Craig's shoes when I was having my heart broken I truly don't know how I would have handled it or what that would be like or like I'm not saying he handled it perfectly but like the man had a broken heart and then Paige breaks up with him And again, fine. It doesn't sound like she was totally honest about like the fact.
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But credit to them and their fans. You know, shout out to their fans. If you're a Philadelphia Eagles fan, it really was like a dream season. You guys were the best team pretty much the whole year. So congrats to you guys. And Nick Sirianni, though. Honestly, if you don't know anything about the Philadelphia, he's their coach. Hot.
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OK, listen, I'm of the opinion like two people break up. Fine. And like but if you're going to be the if you're going to break someone's heart, then like you don't get to be the sympathetic partner or the party. You know, you don't you don't you kind of are the bad guy. You are like, I don't think Paige should be criticized, but she broke someone's heart and she had the right to break their heart.
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But she like if she's going to go on a podcast and like not tell the truth, that is her spinning the narrative on some level. She is trying to control the narrative because she is trying to get sympathy in some way from her audience by not saying, hey, listen, I just didn't want to be with him. Like she wasn't cold. Like she didn't give the Matt James.
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Hey, listen, I just don't think your wife material. She didn't go. You know, she was just like, hey, I don't want to be with you. She broke his heart and she has a right to do that. But like Paige decided to go out to a Philadelphia Eagles game very publicly when I was in a public breakup. Regardless, we were both happy to be out of that relationship.
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And nevertheless, we still decided to like hide for a couple months and be mindful of our behavior and be mindful of how we presented in public and who we were with because we just wanted to make it easy on ourselves and the other person. Paige
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decided not to do that and she had every right not to do that but she doesn't get to then demand craig to have her back online when people start critiquing and like questioning who she's hanging out with okay fair that that craig doesn't need to go scour reddit but when presented with the opportunity by andy cohen to squash the cheating rumors how does he know what she's doing i'm sorry no like again she has a broken heart
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How does he know?
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I'm not saying she did anything, but he doesn't know what the fuck she's been up to. And he feels like he was blindsided. Anytime someone blindsides with a breakup, your first question is, is there someone else? Is there another guy? Like...
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She wanted someone else. Like, you know, I'm sure he's had thoughts of like maybe men she's been kind of talking to. She literally had the guy from SNL like in the fucking comments joking with her about like actually cheating. And again, We all thought it was funny because it was a guy from SNL. But if you're Craig in that moment, your heart is torn out.
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It's like, I'm just saying, like, I know what it's like to be in Craig's shoes. I don't think Paige did anything wrong. She has the right to do whatever the fuck she wants. But to sit there and expect Craig to defend her honor, I think is insanity.
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He's been known to argue with his players, argue with fans, argue with some of the coaches. He's definitely, in some circles, an easy guy to critique.
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It's clearly Paige's, as she should. As she should. But to sit there and have Kyle and Amanda, which love, they're great, and have your girls back. But Craig has every right to feel the way he does. And he has every right to just be like, that's her business. I'm no longer her life anymore. Do you think Paige checking in with Craig when she's out with another guy in public at a Phillies game?
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How's your heart, Craig? Just checking in? Yeah.
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What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick. The Super Bowl happened last night. Congratulations.
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I don't.
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She doesn't get to ask him anything. Nothing.
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Of course it would be the nice thing to do.
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That's the thing. He doesn't have to be nice. But he did.
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Some people thought he was going to get fired. But I got to say, at the end of the game, really presented family man. Listen, I always respect someone who has a lot of critics who says, fuck you, Illinois, and comes out on top. And he very much did.
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yeah and i don't think he's not nice for not saying more you know like would he be extra nice if he went on and said like page would never and she's got you know she's the greatest person in the world and like her character is like second to none that would be the nicest thing of course but he's heartbroken and she's at an eagles game with another guy so like yeah but to suggest that he's
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He's not being nice because he's just minding his own fucking business and trying to move on because clearly this is a man who has his heart broken.
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I mean, like, watching last week's episode of Southern Charm when he had, like, the sit-down with Shep in Austin and, like, Shep's mediating.
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like i really feel like i know where craig's at in his life and i really feel for him he's in this like transitional period right he is clearly outgrowing his friends like so shep and austin are two guys who still like really want to hang on to like all the boys get together three four times a week play play golf drink beers you know swap stories and craig's like i want more i want a family i want to settle down i want to i want to create a family like this is
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And nothing's been more enjoyable in my life than creating a family, right? So I get where Craig's coming from. He's outgrowing his best friends in the world. He's outgrowing them. And then the person he wanted to outgrow them for decided to leave him. And again, she had every right to do that. People break up. But like, he's 40 years old. He very much feels like probably alone and on an island.
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Like, you know, it's like, I'm sure he has his friends, but that's not where he wants to be. You know, he really wants to be with this person who like, you know, didn't want to be with him. And like, he's right. She didn't want to be with him.
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I mean, I will say the only thing I disagree with is love is enough because it's not like, there's nothing I learned more about relationships is that you do have to have a lot in common with your partner. You have to enjoy doing things together on a regular basis. Everything can't be a compromise. Certainly not where you live. Certainly not like how you raise your kids.
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Certainly not like when you want to start a family. Those are like what people call non-negotiables and like those breakup relationships all the time. And so like I have learned the hard way because I used to be Craig. I used to be like, you can just muscle through love and like you have to like get along. Because like relationships in general are that hard.
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And even when you have so much in common, tons of compromises have to be made. And if you have to compromise all the time, every day about every little thing, like, I'm sorry, love just is not enough.
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To the person in his heart you're breaking, you are the bad guy.
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In every breakup. Everyone wants to like, that's why they're like, it's not you, it's me. And that's why people say shit like that because they don't want to feel like a dick. But you are breaking someone's heart. You are. And then that's just like a tough fact of life. And Paige is breaking Craig's heart. And maybe Matt broke Rachel's heart. And like, they're kind of the bad guy.
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Like, I don't think us publicly need to vilify those people. But I do think Paige is trying to spin it just a little bit where she doesn't, so she's not the bad guy at all. And I don't think we should vilify her, but her saying it was a mutual breakup was kind of shady. If you're Craig with a broken heart, that feels a certain type of way.
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Would that feel worse for him?
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I do not think for a second when she made that lie she was sparing anyone's feelings but her own. Because that's people, human nature.
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When you get your heart broken, yeah, you want that person to own what they did to you. And if what they did to you is breaking your heart, you want them to own that.
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I would chalk that in the category of people say shit in relationships. That's Craig being a little petty and a little heartbroken. If I'm in Craig's shoes, I completely get why you said that. If you're in Craig's shoes, you're relitigating everything that was said to you and everything that now feels like a lie.
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Yeah, not a, you know, he lost again.
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You think Paige just misremembered and thought her breakup with Craig was mutual?
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I mean, like, well, I thought I had a hall pass.
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They both have...
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You're comparing someone who didn't want to be in a relationship, who decided to leave the relationship, who decided to go on her podcast and announce the breakup, and then compared to someone who was going through a broken fucking heart, decided to fulfill his Watch What Happens live appearance shortly after his girlfriend broke up with him out of nowhere, and then because he didn't have a plan to talk about it publicly, you want to call him a liar and compare that to Paige?
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But I'm just saying for the Internet to be so one sided about Rachel Kirkconnell and Matt James and then to be like on the fence about Paige and Craig and like some people taking Paige's side.
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People. It's like it's people break up. It's a relationship where they moved on and no one really did anything that wrong and like maybe didn't have the best approach to ending the relationship because there's no good approach.
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If Paige, in fact, said, because I didn't listen to the episode, it was a mutual breakup. I mean, listen, you're right. I wasn't there. I guess Craig could be lying through his teeth, but I'm going to go ahead and believe Craig on this one.
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They're just like, after this week's scene with Paige and Craig, he just wants a family. Paige gives the word family gives her the egg. She wants nothing to do with it.
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And that's totally fine. But like these two, you know, that's where I am very much team page for like seeing what I think a lot of us have seen and what Craig is struggling to see. And he's just like, I love this person. There should be enough. And I hope for Craig that he like sees, you know, why Craig made the decision. Cause I,
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Listen, I'm not here to tell Craig who he should be in a relationship with. And if I'm Craig, I don't want to hear me say things like... When you have a broken heart, you don't want to hear reasonable people being like, I just don't know if you two were a fit. You don't want to hear that. But I do hope for Craig that he sees what we see after he heals.
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Paige was going to fight the life he wanted to live for maybe forever. I just don't think she wants what he wants. I don't think she wants it in South Carolina.
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Let's do it. Are you kidding me? I'm losing my mind.
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Hey, absolutely love.
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And if you quoted mental health.
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I think she handled it as well as she got booed. Booed.
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Yeah.
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Yep. You're team this guy?
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But I will, in Taylor's defense, I would think it was heavily Eagles fans. That's what it seemed like to me. I think Eagles fans were booing the Chiefs fans. I don't think this was like people booing Taylor Swift.
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That's a morning routine problem.
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That's not a going to bed and snuggling with your partner all night long problem.
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I don't think so.
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Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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So how do you think Taylor consoles Trav?
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Thank you.
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I think you give them time. Yeah. I think you, the worst thing, I'll never forget this, but I got in with like a first girlfriend who thought like, and she wasn't trying to console me. She was trying to irritate me. It was after the Packers lost to the Philadelphia Eagles, fourth and 22.
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Thank you.
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Oh.
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Thank you.
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Packers, it was fourth and 22. All they had to do was stop fourth and 22 and they didn't. And the Eagles won that game. And right afterwards, she was like, just hanging on me and just thought she could make it all better.
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Thank you.
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Like, am I, why am I not enough? You know? Knock time? Cause you're not, you know, cause you don't play defense.
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I hope she doesn't go home, turn on Shake It Off, and start dancing in the middle of the living room.
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See, I think Wes beat himself, and I think, listen, you got killed by Rob. Rob had the advantages of a traitor. You could argue that Rob beat himself, and Wes beat himself as well. I mean, I get it. Wes has accomplished a lot. I never watched the challenge, but like...
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isn't part of game playing, knowing your audience, like you came in starting this interview, like doing some research on me thinking I was going to go on the show. Like, I don't think people from housewives or, you know, bachelor nation or, you know, whatever franchise give a fuck about how many shows Wes won on the challenge, you know? And it seemed like Wes kind of like,
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felt like that was something everyone needed to respect. Even Wes was like to the other people, like, I don't know who you are. They don't know who you are either, Wes. Like there's a lot of people who, everyone's narcissistic on this show in their own world. Everyone kind of comes in thinking they're the man.
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I feel like Wes coming in with this like I've won more than everyone else was to his detriment. You know, like he should have gone a lot farther than he did. And I felt like you kind of got you were the sacrificial lamb trying to play it smart. Having Wes supposed to be an ally. He can't like keep his cool. He's like mouthing off to a bunch of ladies. Don't give a fuck who is making threats.
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And then like you kind of got screwed trying to like hold your own and like playing it right. I don't know. How did you see it?
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Do you think Jason is sad for retiring a year too early? I mean, his brother beat him two years ago in the Super Bowl. Then last year, his team barely even made the playoffs. And then he lost in a very kind of tragic end of the year for the Eagles.
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It looks like a lot of fun. And our boy Wells, obviously, was the first out. And he's bummed about that. And that is the challenge about that show, though. It's just like...
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It made no sense. Whether you're a former cop or you're Rob or you're Wes, the thing about what's fascinating about this show, what makes it so fun is
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You can be a great game player, but there's still a lot, there's a lot of elements that like you can't control and the unpredictability, you know, like the fact that people do go for their friends, you know, the people, you know, they go off of vibes and things like that.
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To kind of your point, like it only does you so good to be a former cop and to disagree with me if you want, Derek, like almost like Wes is a better, you know, Wes was playing like he was in a room full of people on the challenge. And instead of adapting to being a room full of some people in the challenge, some people who are gamers, some people who are housewives.
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And you have to adapt to a game player like Chrishell who's gonna go off vibes. And you have to anticipate shit like that. And Wes was just like, it wasn't registering with Wes. And to me, that makes him less legendary than he says he is because he wasn't adapting to his environment.
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Oh, my gosh. I sure did.
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No, he hasn't. He was too busy for another show, but I'll bring him back.
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That's my honest opinion, but I'll bring him on to defend himself. But I don't know.
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Do you see it differently?
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Speaking of Dylan, how do you think he navigates out of this kind of loyalty to Rob now that he, you know, Rob is out, he's been revealed as a traitor. He's kind of positioned himself as like an ally of Rob. He's not the only one, but how do you think he navigates out of that?
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Did they ask Jason who he would be rooting for? Did he say? I'm assuming somewhere in the 5,000 questions he's been asked, he didn't say.
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It makes, like you said, it makes no difference to me, like as a viewer, like what,
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how obvious we think it is because well and maybe i know this because i know things are edited but to your point like no one in the house is suspecting her so if anyone should be criticizing anyone it should be the other people in the house not the traitor who clearly in the moment is like giving faithful to everyone like she is she's playing the best game you know because like no one no one's bringing her up no one you still have tom sandoval and dolores going at each other
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You would think his brother, but he played his whole career with the Eagles. It's not his brother's team.
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I think you're selling yourself a lot short, Derek. I think one, I think, yes, it's gotten more successful. I think, you know, from season one to season three. Yeah, it's I think it's a little easier for casting than it was maybe the first two seasons where they, you know, they probably they probably got a lot of nose and, you know, people weren't sure what it was.
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But like every season, the gamers of the gamers have very much carried the show. I think like the Housewives or, you know, Bachelor people like, you know, Dylan, they pick up on it as they get along. But like, I think the strategy is what a lot of people are enjoying about this show.
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And I think to make it work, you almost need the gamers, the big brother people, the survivors, the challenge people, because I think they almost in a way train the Dylans of the world about how to play the game. And I think that's always important. I think there's an element there. And I think the reality TV space is always going to dominate traders.
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I think even Dylan is kind of technically reality TV because he did the show with his brother. But I don't think they're going to start pulling in like like working actors and musicians and things like that. I think I think this works for traders. It's obviously Bravo's. It has a strong, you know, it's cross promotional. So I think they're going to stay in this lane.
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And I still think they're going to be pulling from gamers, even if it's like, you know, for the people who don't watch Big Brother or don't watch Survivor, you know, you're learning a lot about these people. But I think they're too important to this. This shows like the wheel, the gears turning. I don't know.
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I think if you just had a bunch of housewives and a bunch of like Vanderpump people and a couple of basher people and they're like play traders, you know, it'd be harder to get going.
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It wouldn't be as like the, the, I'll tell you why Derek, because like, like for example, the basher people, a lot of them are coming off going on the bachelor show. And like, there's a lot of brainwashing that goes on where it's just like, are you fucking here for the right reasons? Like you better be here for the right reasons. You better not like,
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in bachelor world to like quote unquote like steal someone is like like the worst thing you can do so i think there's a lot of like trauma honestly from like people who like have only done the bachelor franchise so the idea of being a traitor or a villain or killing someone or lying to your friend
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They're like so uncomfortable with that, like being recorded and being used for TV because they're so used to being like that weapon, honestly, like weaponized against them that you truly would need gamers like yourself being like, guys, it's a fucking game. You can chill out.
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We're here to play and have them relax because honestly, you would get you would get a lot of reality TV stars who are too afraid to do shit.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. And people just like, they only, they want to stay there. They also want to be likable. They want to be, you know, they want to be the popular one. They're like, yeah, there's a lot of motivated motives in that, in that round table, so to speak, that aren't like making the show as good as it possibly can. And I think the gamers will always be welcomed at the table for that reason.
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Oh, that's awesome. Derek, man. Uh, sounds like you had a great time. Really fun to hear your POV about the experience. Uh, anything else you want to share before we let you go?
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If I ever go on, uh, I'll be reaching out to you for some advice. I appreciate it, buddy.
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Well, it's officially too cold to do anything, but the upside is it's officially cozy season, and the best way to keep cozy is in Bombas socks, slippers, and underwear all winter long. The secret of Bombas is their fabric. Their merino wool has the cozy feel of a ski lodge, and it's perfect for lounging around the house.
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There'll be hugs and flowers.
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But if you do want to brave the cold on the slopes, they have athletic socks that perfectly blend comfort and function.
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So try Bombas now. Head over to bombas.com slash V-I-A-L-L and use code V-I-A-L-L for 20% off your first purchase. That's bombas, B-O-M-B-A-S dot com slash V-I-A-L-L. Once again, that code is V-I-A-L-L. At checkout, bombas.com slash V-I-A-L-L. Derek's a nice guy.
The Viall Files
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What is the premise of House of Villains?
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I mean, I know Jax is a horrible human being, but are they all horrible people?
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Some of the villains are iconic.
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And they what? And then they do what?
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Well, speaking of AI commercials, really hated the Martha Stewart.
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It would have been tough.
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Let me just say that I thought Dylan looked really hot being as calm as he was. I was really jealous of like, I wish I could say that I would have been Dylan in this moment. Just kind of being like, this is fun. Sam was too. Sam was pretty manly.
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Rob was pretty manly.
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rob talking sierra through it yeah that was pretty great i would have been yeah i would have been somewhere between tom sandoval and dylan tom sandoval was cracking me up every time he's like yeah okay yeah oh sure you why not you guys i have to be honest sandoval kind of won me over i'm telling you guys he's a flawed man but he is not horrible he is he is he is there he is there to be a court jester he is not without a charming character he's not a he's
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And Dylan was like, I trust Tom Sandoval. And Dylan, when he paired up with him, he kind of shrugged. He was like, hate me, America. I don't know what to tell you.
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Skechers hated that. How did Martha approve that? That was not giving grace and sophistication.
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But you know why? Because I guarantee you, Dylan looks at Tom Sandoval and goes, I know exactly who you are. I know exactly what I'm working with. I know what not to ask you. I know what to ask you. And now I know. Now I trust you. Yeah.
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it's a vip expense experience but if you close your eyes you can win it he's like it's a business expense that's the thing if i had to do if i had to mentally be like all right i gotta i gotta fucking do this like i hate snakes i'm a big believer that like sometimes we hang on to our phobias because it's something we identify with it's like if you need to get over a phobia you can you you truly can i cannot get over tripper phobia yeah sure whatever um you don't need to
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Listen, you can get over anything you really need to, and most of the stuff you don't need to. Anyways, I would have been able to muscle it up, but I wouldn't have been calm. I would have maybe had to close my eyes, and I might have squirmed.
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Well, speaking of traitors and speaking of Sam, he's starting to talk a little bit more.
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He's got a funny personality. He's giving very manly. He's also our guest this week on Going Deeper. This was an amazing interview. If you guys are fascinated with anything Britney Spears and their relationship, this is a must-listen episode you do not want to miss. I didn't even know what to expect with Sam.
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you know we got in contact he hit me up i was like i absolutely would love to have you on the show i said to him everyone knows who you are and no one knows who you are it's like we all know him as the ex-husband of britney spears one of the biggest and greatest pop stars of ever or of our generation but we know like nothing of the man he's relatively quiet on traitors
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Well, we got to sit down with Sam and spend a lot of time with him. And he gets into, I mean, his whole backstory and coming to America and meeting Brittany and a lot about their relationship. So you got to listen to it. It was wild. I see him in a totally different light after talking with him than Sam. certainly before Traders and even on Traders where we haven't really gotten to know him.
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So it's an absolute must listen going deeper tomorrow on The Vile Files. Be sure to check that out. All right. Bachelor time. Recently departed Allie Jo will be joining us momentarily. This episode's really, this season's really good. It's good.
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Are you guys, oh, by the way, for anyone who I'm sure there were plenty of people who disagree with me, still absolutely 100% team Zoe.
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I stand by that. She doesn't have to be your cup of tea. What is Zoe's job? What is her job?
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Mechanical engineer. And model. But I want to focus on the mechanical engineer. Listen, anyone can do anything. But it's a unique profession for a lady to be a mechanical engineer. Maybe she might be different than, say, a house full of other women. Tech engineer. Her personality might read a little differently.
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Tech and engineer. I don't know. Engineer. You know, when like go to any engineering program and it's like 10 percent women. I'm just saying it's she might have a slightly different personality than a group full of girly girls. And whatever you agree with Zoe or not, like I'm not saying you agree with how she's handling it.
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You know what I mean? They never meant anything, but they were better.
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I'm not saying you would show up and be like, that's who I want to be friends with. Clearly, she is slightly different. But to sit there and tell me that she deserved, if you go back and watch it, after Zoe said whatever she said to Grant and then Grant kind of give that cryptic, be nice to each other, the rumors.
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There's a scene where seven or eight women walk up to Zoe and form a line with their arms crossed. Go back and watch. These women are all walking up with their arms crossed. They don't know. They've all been there for like four days. And Zoe shows up. She pulls Grant. She spends some time with him. These women are ganging up on her.
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Whether you agree with her or not, they just don't think she's going about it the right way. Because they took notes as 15-year-old girls watching The Bachelor. And now they're deciding how the house is supposed to operate. And because Zoe does what Zoe wants to do, they all walk up in a gang of eight. And make her cry. And you're going to side with the gang?
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And I got you flowers, but like we'll be traveling and I have to reschedule those flowers. I already ordered the flowers.
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Because of Zoe. And you know why they didn't get to talk to Grant? Because Zoe was there every four times. No, no, no. Because they are sitting. I know this because I've been in that world. They are sitting, waiting their turn. They are more concerned talking to Derek on Traders. Derek pointed out, he showed up. I'm going back to Traders. Keep up.
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Sorry, let's go inside my screen for 10 seconds. As Derek was saying, he observed some people were there to play the game and make moves and some people were there to go far and some people were there to make sure they had a good edit and make sure they were there to be popular and that's how all these women are in the house.
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They're sitting on a chair and a sofa waiting their turn, hoping Grant comes to see them or someone gets picked so they don't ruffle anyone's feathers because they're more concerned with their edit and popularity and followers than they are getting a connection with Grant. And Zoe is only focused on her connection with Grant. And these girls are mocking her dress.
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And when she does something they don't like, they gang up on her. in an environment where they have no support system whatsoever. There's no one to call. There's no friend. There's no lifeline. There's just, are you in the group or are you out of the group? And if you're out of the group, fuck you, you're fucked.
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I get where she's coming from. I mean, they're all on a show. But I'm saying for anyone watching and it's every season, all the batternation is like they pick the one person who doesn't play by everyone's rules. And they want to pick on that one person when the bully is always the house.
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I put River to bed.
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Yeah. I know there's editing. I don't like her tattling. I'll give you that. I do not like her tattling.
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There's a difference between not rallying around them and confronting her with... There's a complete difference than...
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And we pressed pause on the game when I put River to bed. And then River's asleep. We're about 12 minutes behind the game. We're talking to no one. No one's on their phone. And Natalie felt the need to catch up, fast forward to real time. I was like, who are we catching up with? It's just us. It's just you and I. Do you have a burning desire to get on Twitter?
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Rallying behind her is expecting the ladies to cheer her on as she goes and steals Grant from someone else. That's rallying behind. She's not asking that. What is happening is like the other women are waiting their turn. Some of them are not getting the turns.
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Zoe's getting a turn and they're collecting all the women to like confront Zoe, literally pin her in a corner while their arms are all crossed until she cries while mocking her dress. And that's your team, your team bully.
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It's a lot easier to say what you're thinking and what you want when you have an army of friends on your back as opposed to when you're by yourself on an island.
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She had Chloe. So true. So true.
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I need you all to be in that world.
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Allie Jo.
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Your heart is healed from your bachelor exile?
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Well, before we get started, the household wants me to let you know I am staunchly Team Zoe. I don't know if you're going to be okay.
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Are you going to get the rest of your gang?
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Tell us about your experience, Allie.
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Were you surprised to kind of get an early exit or, you know, just kind of not make, I mean, I'm guessing maybe you just didn't get a chance to make much of a connection with Grant.
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And was it always Zoe who was cutting you off? Or were there other people who kind of cut you off?
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Are you still having beef with Zoe or have you guys reconciled?
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Oh, you did?
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What did you apologize for?
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So maybe you can help clear up a debate we were having before you showed up. You've been obviously in this world. It's been a while, so I know what it's like to be in your shoes, but I'm usually of the opinion. And while everyone there is well-intentioned and it's all very confusing for everyone who's there. I mean, in the first couple of weeks, you guys are like, what the fuck's going on?
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But I'm of the opinion that even though the edit usually doesn't show this, that the in real time, that the house is usually the bully. I'm not calling any of you ladies bullies. I'm just saying when you're in this house and you're part of the majority opinion and you're the one person like doing your own thing, even if your own thing is as harmless as trying to get some time.
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She wanted to skip all the commercials, skip all the plays.
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It can be very intimidating when a group of men or a group of women walk up to you with your arms crossed and kind of like, what the fuck are you doing? And that's why I'm always I'm team Zoe in that. Do you see what I'm saying or do you feel like there's a different side?
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And who were you texting with about the game?
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Well, I don't know if it was you and maybe you'll see it when you watch the episode.
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Y'all kind of ganged up on her a little bit. It was kind of hot.
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It was triggering. Wow. Almost as triggering as Craig's appearance on Watch What Happens Live.
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Allie Jo's hands, to be clear for everyone, were not crossed.
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Thank you very much. Thank you.
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Ah, yes. Let's go back.
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Am I supposed to be wearing these in a year?
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Thank you.
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Okay, so this is not like a cultural, like, hey, change up. Baggy pants or, you know, we had skinny jeans. Now I have to go boot cut?
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Again, that's my concern. I've just recently transitioned into a baggy jean.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Okay, but like artists or musical artists tend to... Start trends.
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Yeah. I mean, there's no basket for you. There's still time.
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It's really hard for you to come back from that. And why do we care about Drake and Lamar fighting? I mean, I know they've been fighting.
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So now she's accusing Allie of playing a prank on James is kind of like a... No, I don't think that's what... She literally is saying that she says... I don't think prank is the right word.
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So they got, according to Lisa Vanderpump, they got in a little silly argument and they were messing around. And then Allie, because whatever the reason, felt like she needed to teach James a lesson, even though he did nothing wrong other than disagree with Allie. And Allie then sent him to prison?
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But I'm just saying according to Lisa Vanderpump.
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I want to break down Lisa's statement. And Lisa's statement is accusing Allie of essentially playing a prank on James to teach him a lesson. Using law enforcement and calling the cops to... Like a Beyond Scared Straight kind of situation. Yeah.
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That's what she's accusing Allie of, making no mention that this silly argument resulted into Allie breaking up with James, moving out, and deciding not to get back into that relationship.
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I think Kristen said it all.
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And now, because I don't know what happened behind closed doors or why James wasn't charged with anything. I can make guesses and assumptions, but because they didn't move forward with this now, LVP and anyone else is in a position to kind of like low key blame Allie or like,
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I was going to say against animals, not women. Well, she pointed out in this episode that she likes animals more than people. Yeah. So maybe.
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Not that you should be physically abusing animals or people, but clearly we know where Lisa stands. Hopefully she's not going to hook any of these ladies up with James. Yeah. I mean, knowing Lisa.
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It looks like Latia is going to win. Oh, for sure.
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Why wasn't she on the first two episodes?
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I should be back there. I should be back there. This is ridiculous. I thought she was going to storm in. They do her so dirty.
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This was so much more enjoyable than her not being out there. I don't understand.
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So true. And not Heather coming to his defense because of his last name.
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I never hated Heather more than in that moment. And this was after last week when I was just like, Heather, you're like the future of the show and you should be the leader and like rise up.
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Oh my God.
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And I am definitely comfortable with this double standard. I don't care what Browen might have text Jared Osmond. But for Jared... Or is it Aslan? She didn't text him anything. Other way around. Whatever. But even if she did, for Jared to write Browen that message and in that tone and be comfortable speaking to him in that way.
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Like, if you think there's a love, like, yeah, it's like, it's not your, it's barely this person you know. It's an acquaintance. Like, it's not even a friend. She's a married woman.
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Exactly.
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And honestly, I think that's disrespectful to Chet Hanks because like every once in a while.
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Yeah.
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Every once in a while. He has a white boy summer. Yeah.
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That's a lot of energy focused on Drake, to be honest.
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And flowers. It's like, and I love you with flowers.
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We got something. She was like, that was kind of endearing. She's like, I do have maturing issues.
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She might be.
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Anyways, if she's in her 50s acknowledging she has... She's 53. If she has an immaturity issue, that's kind of bad at 53.
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And if you are immature, what does that also lead to and cause? Again, it's all-encompassing.
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Because Brittany doesn't, says it in such a like a, it's like you simultaneously know she may have no idea what she's talking about, but at the same time she says in a way where she's like so convinced and you know she can't be reasoned with.
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And that's all Meredith has is reason. Is reason. At least in her mind.
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Brittany, which one is the truth? She's like, well, all of them. They were all kind of... I still believe her, by the way.
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I believe her version. At this point, they emotionally beat her up so much in that moment that if she had any intentions... It was though. Yes, it was. That was brutal.
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I guarantee you, Brittany has convinced herself that she never meant to record these women.
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Do you forgive me? Do you forgive me? She's like, of course. She did.
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I do not know prison protocol.
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You have to get approved to be on the call list?
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It's one more step. It definitely... Meredith had... That's basically saying Meredith had two chances to reconsider her choice.
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It makes it more premeditated.
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And again, Lisa talks shit about other people's families all the time. And she's on this episode, like going at Whitney being like, you came for John and you came in. And if you do that, man, it's like, OK.
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I think the producer should say if you want one back, you have to get the other back.
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I can't take much more of Lisa, period.
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I'm not going to say what it is. And I guess I just need someone to... Like, Lisa has had... You know, again, I'm not the historian on Salt Lake that you guys are. But it sure seems like since Jen Shah has been in prison, Lisa has risen to her throne. It's Lisa's world. She's Queen Bee. It's her show. It's her universe. She's the shot caller. She has her minions.
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Well, doesn't his record, I mean, you would sue.
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Yeah, you got, like, some of the other women, like, combating. You got Bronwyn. But, like... And before it was Jen Shah.
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And now it's like I'm just kind of tired of Lisa being in charge, in control, the show centered through and around Lisa. I think we need something else.
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Sure. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We need something else, but something stronger, something.
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Or just so much of a distraction that they like, yeah, they lay off of Lisa. That's a thing. Lisa's antics seem less and less threatening because you have to deal with Jen, Shaw, and Monica.
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Is Kendrick Lamar. I mean, I'm not a lawyer. I don't know how it works.
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Well, they first did. And then that will give the opportunity for people to come together.
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Give me Mary. Give me Monica. Give me Whitney. Give me Angie on Team Alpha. And then give me Jen. Give me Heather. Give me Lisa. Give me Meredith. Brawin on Team Alpha will put Brittany on Team Bravo.
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I don't think Jen, well, people have used the word deserve. This is TV. No one deserves a second chance on TV. No one deserves a first chance on TV. So I don't think anyone deserves it. But if they're going to bring them back,
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Isn't he suing his label?
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All right. Well, I think that will wrap up today's episode. Thank you to our guests, Derek and Allie Jo. Tomorrow, we have a very special Amazing Going Deeper with none other than Britney Spears' ex-husband, Sam Ascari. You know him from Traitors. If you have been wondering about who this man is, what is he all about? What did Britney see in him? You will not want to miss this episode.
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I was kind of blown away. That man has a lot to say.
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Man has a lot to say, and he says it tomorrow on Going Deeper. We'll see you then. Bye.
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It's a lot of fun. You won't regret it. We'll see you all there.
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I was very triggered by this. I was. I really feel for Craig. For those of you who don't know, Craig went on Watch What Happens Live last Thursday and was asked by Andy Cohen about his breakup with Paige.
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specifically asked about the accusations that Kyle and Amanda threw Craig's way about like not quote unquote sticking up for Paige amidst the accusations that Paige has moved on too quickly from Craig, a la like allegations about cheating and things like that. And this was Craig's response.
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There's no stocking stuffer ideas in there.
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I know. I agreed with everything he said except for the love is enough part. But, like, when Craig was in that moment, like, it really brought me back to, like, having my heart broken. And I just think there's just not, like, I also, like, compare this to the Rachel Cooke and Matt James breakup of it all. And I find it to be, like, not surprising, but, like, the audience's reaction to be
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again not surprising but like polar opposites from like ultimately like we just have two two couples where two people broke up like one person decided they didn't want to be in a relationship with the other person as far as we know there's no infidelity no like scandalous behavior like I get like I totally get why Craig wasn't want to like jump up and like
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you know have his ex-girlfriends back but like i i believe page at the same time and then like the matt james breaks up with rachel and we're acting as if like he's matt james is on his way to africa on a one-way ticket he's been exiled from the united states because like pop culture nation and bachelor nation is are eviscerating this guy because he didn't kind of go about it the right way but
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And I get it. We're like, we listened to Rachel and she's like, you know, he broke up with me in Japan and I got on a plane. And then the next thing you know, like he's posting a prayer and everyone knows about it. And again, that was weird on Matt's part. But like, imagine if Rachel was like, yeah, and like we broke up.
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And then the next thing you know, like I get a random text message from Matt being like, I'm announcing it on like one of the biggest podcasts in the nation. And not asking, not checking in, just saying, I'm going to do this.
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And then you find out Matt James decided to mention that it was a mutual breakup instead of the fact that he decided... Instead, the truth was he was like, yeah, I just don't think your wife material. Imagine the reaction we would all have. We would lose our fucking minds if that's what Matt James did to Rachel. I'm just saying, like...
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a bunch of internet bros are fans of me. Let's do the internet bro playbook and then destroy her credibility.
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Yeah, it's like, can she go to jail for this? Martha Stewart, to be clear, did not scam anyone. No, she just technically lied. She definitely just did a no-no. She did the thing that, again, everyone in Congress does every day, where Haley ripped off people.
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Like, people lost millions of dollars.
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Now, who those people were?
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Yeah. I don't know, but.
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Well, I mean, I don't know. Like, what if you were just a young, young buck who didn't know any better? You know?
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Okay. Economics jokes from Mary.
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No, but the question is, do you know how to be here?
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she's gonna lean in as she should yeah she's gonna hold space for that but i think the whole bank account yeah cynthia and ariana did like a follow-up interview to the interview and they tried to play it off as if they were like it was all a bit but like my biggest takeaway is i don't know if i trust you then or trust you now but i think you're just full of shit i
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Okay.
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There's a difference between being polite. Cynthia has actor brain.
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There's a difference between being polite and being like, oh, thank you. Thank you. You just say thank you. Versus like crying and putting out a whole act.
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No, she was like, really? I didn't realize what was going on.
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What did she think she was saying?
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Well, it seems like Ariana really didn't know what was going on. It was just trying to be there for Cynthia. But Cynthia's like action seem unclear.
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And then she was like, I didn't know how to be there. And I'm just like, how does it mean to be there?
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I think they were embarrassed.
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Sure. A lot of people are laughing at them.
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What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick. What is going on, everybody? We have a very exciting week.
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Should I text Ryan?
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So I don't mean like literally, but like, is there, do you think Carl's sitting there being like, that could have been, that could have been my baby. It's gotta be a kind of an odd, you know, an interesting feeling, you know, it's like it really closes the door on a chapter of your life for sure. You know?
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Wow.
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It came out at a time where I don't think we even had MTV.
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I don't know. When did it come out?
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Okay, so I wasn't living at home. I definitely had MTV.
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No, I mean, they are iconic. I do remember it. I just never sat down and watched it.
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One of my favorite movies.
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Best in Show.
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Yeah. Same director, same writer.
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Yes, instead of dog show. Yes, regional theater production.
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Have you seen... For your consideration? That too.
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Lisa Vanderpump spoke out about the... He's a six-finger man in Princess Bride.
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Of course she did.
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Everybody really thought about it. I don't think it was her decision, period.
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She is executive producing it. She is.
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I don't think she has much of a say.
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She's like, I'm tired of these people stealing my thunder and fighting for airtime with the original cast.
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They were open. They were great.
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Well, yeah. I just really hope they go back to... I don't know if they will. But I want to see the whole, like, you know, they came to Hollywood to try to become famous. You know, not came to Hollywood... And by famous, I mean like an actor or a singer.
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Not to be on Vanderpump Rules.
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They need this contract to, like, not allow these people to make social media brand deals for at least... They need to need this job. Like, when Vanderpump first came out, the entire cast needed this show to work.
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If dad's hurt, Bronnie doesn't get in? Is that how it is? Does that work?
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And they have to be, like, put in a position where it's just, like... protect my character in soul or, like, make this work.
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You know? And they have to constantly be faced with, like, that moral decision of, like, maybe commit a crime-ish or season two. Yeah. You know?
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There's no like take your kid to work day?
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Receipts are in.
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She could have been tinkling.
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Let me see the photo.
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Maybe after Lisa got up, they like quick slide in. We need a photo.
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So she was at a different front row?
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I was in L.A. with Taylor Swift.
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Yeah.
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I was at the airport with Joshua Jackson.
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I went to the Packer game with Jordan Love. Yeah, that's crazy.
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Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.
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Awesome. You went to the Laker game with LeBron James.
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Okay. There you go.
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Should we finish talking about our big week? We haven't heard about Seth and Karlyn's Christmas party. They'd be iconic. I've been to it two other times, a long time ago. I was the bachelor when I got invited before, so I kind of had a connection, and I was on Family Guy, so then I got an in.
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Kind of cool. And that's where Sacha Baron Cohen and his now ex-wife, Isla Fisher, tapped me on the shoulder and said they liked my work, to which I was very flattered. But now Nellie and I got invited as a couple.
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Yeah, let's get our money's worth on that, please.
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Oh, well, this week we have Riley Green on a special episode of Going Deeper. You will not want to miss that. He's like a country music new heartthrob. Everyone's talking about him on TikTok.
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Then we went to Joey's little Dance with the Stars celebration.
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He has dreamy eyes. We taught him about love languages. That was fun.
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We really ripped it out of him.
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Wow.
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To see that undressing, listen on Wednesday or watch. Undressing. Yeah.
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Yeah, it was really, really good. You know who's a football fan? Who? Timmy. Little Tim. Timothee Chalamet. Timothee Chalamet. You got it.
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EPLP. Okay. For those of you who don't know.
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Yeah, I'm really sorry about that.
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Listen, listen, listen. We'll get them in the playoffs.
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Who picked the Rams?
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I picked the Rams. You picked the Rams.
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Outdoor little venue. Rooftop.
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But how did the wives do? Any fun reports from the wives?
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But Josh did score 51 fantasy football points for whoever was on his team.
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I think every time they go to bed, I think he's in her fantasy team. Ew.
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You get to talk about Scotty about planning dates.
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So what should we ask Scotty? First question, who did you eat with today?
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Did you eat breakfast alone?
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It was like, let's do something fun. I don't want to do either.
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What? No, it went like this. Let's do something fun today. Okay. Well, how about hot air balloon or cryotherapy? I don't know if I'd want to do that. Well, why don't you want to do anything fun? Yeah. Oh, Jesus Christ.
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Famously thinks we hate him.
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She's the one with Caleb. She seems lovely.
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He still hasn't let her go.
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Except that she's convinced that Caleb's in love with her. And Caleb's like, hey, we're just like friends. And I'm just like, who, which one do I, I'm pretty sure I believe Caleb.
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He's threatened by the fact that like,
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Yes.
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He's really making the reality. He's really.
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Good, how are you? We're fine, but we did not have to watch ourselves on TV all weekend long. And you, did you watch? Did you watch?
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Okay, well, before we have a bit of fun with you, what was your biggest takeaway regarding your experience? Is there anything right off the bat you want to like jump right into? Or yeah, what was your watching it back? What was your takeaway? How do you feel waking up this morning? What is what is your mindset?
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Do you, I feel like, I feel like you were very, there were moments of like, I think the last episode was more, more, more, most jarring for people. But I think to your point, Scotty, there were moments of you being, I think maybe a bit reactive out of pocket at times where it kind of, I think threw people off. I get, I get what you're saying, Scotty. I think,
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You know, listen, as someone who knows what it's like to be in your shoes, who's been on reality TV before, you kind of, you do have to take the good with the bad. You know, it's like you did what you did, but they get to pick and choose your good and bad moments.
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I'm sure you showed a lot of good moments and you showed some bad moments and you just don't get to decide whether they show 60% of your good moments and 40% of your bad or 90, 10 or yada, yada, yada. And I think it's just more like sometimes it's really jarring to see some of those bad moments a little bit than the good.
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How does Helen Hunt fit into the equation with Jodie Foster?
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What seemed less like a joke, though, was you thinking cryotherapy should be a fun date. Where do you where do you land?
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Because I can't can't can't we just go for a walk, Scotty, is what I'm thinking.
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Holly Hunter. Holly Hunter.
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Yeah. Yeah. So like I'm all for like planning a really, you know, out of the box kind of experience. But yeah, where do you land on the whole like we're either hot air ballooning or cryotherapy or you're no fun?
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Oh, Holly Hunter.
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It starts off, well, tonight, for those listening, Kathy Hilton's Christmas party.
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No.
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Yeah.
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Is there anything despite obviously fully know that things can be taken out of context, but is there any like any reflection you thought, you know, this is exactly how I remember myself, but I still want to reflect and look and maybe there's a change that you could implement in your life or are we just kind of like taking it with a grain of salt?
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And that's not what I meant at all. How did you end up on the show? Cause I, I'm, I'm really fascinated by not only just you, but like just the entire cast, like how they ended up on there, how did it end up on the show? And then my second question, I'm really fascinated by each individual's approach to this whole, like, you know, couple swap, you know, Jr. He's calling. Yeah.
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He's calling her wifey. You know, it's like, well, maybe we should calm down, bro. You know, like maybe we could just ease into this. I'm curious, like one. Yeah. How did you get on the show? How did you approach the whole like couple swap in terms of like how serious you guys were taking this versus and like what boundaries or respect did you guys consider in terms of your actual relationship?
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partners even though you are calling them your ex i'm like you live with this person you say you love with this person yeah i get we're on a show and i get we're playing along but like you're the disrespect of some of these couples it's like i don't know did anything shock you you know where where were you at like watching it back not not so much you but just your peers and just how people chose to approach this whole uh experiment
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Yeah. And just like just saying, I mean, just I mean, again, if you're talking about technically who's right, you know, I guess Sandy and J.R. are right because this is the experiment. But to me, I'm watching it. And just like here is a vulnerable guy, Nick, who's quote unquote new partner bails on him. He's alone to show up at the door and have Sandy, his his actual girlfriend.
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disrespect him in the way that she disrespected him in front of JR but then they're like you're disrespecting us this is my wife you're coming in here with my wife that was crazy I don't know how you come back from that like to me you might as well just like walk away and call it a day but like do you see it differently or did you see it like us
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I kind of lost a little respect for Nick in that moment, but I also really empathize and felt for him. And I kind of also left, lost respect for JR in that moment. Cause it's like, bro, you shouldn't be doing this to this guy. Like, I don't know, man. Like,
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We wouldn't have said that word. I don't like that word. He hasn't let it go. Mm-hmm.
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Can we call him a dummy?
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You told Joey he had Oompa Loompa hair. And I was like, I don't remember either. He's like, yeah, it was something about maybe you called me boring. I'm like, well, that makes sense. And I'm like, so you do remember.
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Yeah, it kind of gave... You were a little offended that he was only willing to be friends with your girl. But again...
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I don't think any normal person got that vibe. No. I think it came more across as, if we're going to use the toxic masculinity language, you were offended that he would be friends with her because you didn't buy it. It's just like, hey, is my girl not hot enough to not just be friends with her or something? It kind of gave that energy, not anything else.
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Oh, let's get into some headlines. Oh, we unfortunately.
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maybe that was just like his final answer. Like I've had a lot of beautiful women be my platonic friends and we've had connections and we've been very close, but ultimately we were just that. We were just friends. You know what I'm saying?
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So it was like, you know, maybe he did think she was beautiful and maybe he did have a connection with her, but maybe he was just trying to say at the end of the day, I'm not pursuing her romantically. I just respect her as a human being and we are friends. And maybe it was more like that.
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Jay-Z.
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Well, I mean, you know, we want to keep this show light and aspirational and positive vibes, but this is a big story.
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It was just,
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I always go back to remember, maybe you guys don't remember because some of you are pretty young, but there was a period of time, I don't know, 10, 15 years ago when everybody knew that R. Kelly was a pedophile. Everyone knew it. And Hollywood was doing bits about it. It was like a running joke. Like Dave Chappelle, it was part of his, like the Chappelle show.
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You know, like that's what I would have said. Yeah.
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necessarily the versions of themselves that they would be if a similar conversation was happening outside of this experience yeah yeah yeah i don't know i sometimes uh i think almost the opposite sometimes i think we really find out who we really are when we're put in uh really in extraordinary situations and how we handle ourselves in these extraordinary situations really kind of shows who we are at our deeper roots you know that being said we understand that the edits and the context things
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I'm more speaking about JR. To me, it's just like, JR made the excuse of leaning into this experiment as reason to basically disrespect anyone in his way. You know, so to speak, it was more like, this is my experience. Everyone's got to do the experience. So it's just like, I don't care who I disrespect as long as I'm embracing this experience.
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You know, there was just no consideration for other people's relationships as long as JR was making the most of his experience. And... You know, to each their own. But that's that's just kind of how I saw it.
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Like, it's pretty clear that if they did, they wouldn't be telling anybody. Yeah.
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And they were just like, it was a bit. Like everyone knew about it. Everyone talked about it. And R. Kelly was just like still making music, walking the streets as a free man. And like we all knew and did nothing about it. It was so kind of bizarre and weird. We were just like,
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Do you agree or disagree?
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Listen, like you said, this is all about keeping it real, being honest. This is embracing the experience. We're just asking your opinion.
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You could be wrong.
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Okay. Scotty, thank you so much for your time. We really appreciate it. We wish you the best along the way. Appreciate your answers, offering some context and excited to see the rest of your journey unfold.
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ha ha ha ha ha creepy creepy creepy disgusting disgusting disgusting R. Kelly like has this thing but like downloading his new song but like yeah and we all just kind of went along with it and like I don't know like it's time to pay the reaper it sounds like maybe I don't know Jay-Z obviously issued a denial statement also Jay-Z R. Kelly and like Diddy like they all ran in the same crowd like way back when lots of videos together lots of they went to lots of parties together I mean I don't know you know it's like how
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Well, we appreciate you sharing and all you can do is take accountability. Yeah. Like that, that's what matters more than not responding to all the people who are online, who don't really know anything other than they're just watching it and projecting their own life experiences on to, to you and the people on your show.
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So, but that doesn't mean you can't learn from your experience where it looks like, which it sounds like you have. So we, we appreciate you saying. Absolutely. Absolutely. All right. Take care, buddy. Thanks for your time. Thanks so much. All right. Bye-bye.
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Do we really believe that all these celebrities at these parties didn't know what was going on? Yeah.
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Yeah. I've had a lot of friends who are women who objectively are beautiful.
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I get what he's saying about that. Like if they're showing up to this like man chat and every like it was. Yeah. Now he was like, we're watching it now. He's like there were moments throughout these episodes, the willingness to talk shit on their partners, like their their original partners, not like their temporary partners.
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partners but like they're just like unloading just like well so and so is i don't know what what they said about each other but it was like some hardcore you know and it's like clearly they're being asked these questions you know there's obviously probably producers in the background these guys get together they're sitting there and go so like how about you know like tell us about your you know so they're being prompted to ask these questions i i get that
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That's where I met Paige Peck. Of course.
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So in that context, if they're all being prompted to ask these questions and they're kind of like reluctantly, begrudgingly, or maybe not so reluctantly, like just talking shit on their partners and just being unbelievably honest about what the shit's going on. Meanwhile, Caleb's like, we're just friends.
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Like I could, I can see how in that moment to Scotty, that might be a little frustrating or, and feel disingenuous. I could see that.
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And don't you think Sandy will feel like an ass when she comes to find out he also boxed?
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That was emotional torture. That was mean. If Sandy doesn't watch that back and think I'm
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
The lawyer who is filing these claims, he's also, I believe, I saw, I went on his Twitter, he's also a Marine recon, officer?
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
room she called him selfish well she said she sends her fake boyfriend to answer the door so he could be like in this big fucking guy who like is like what are you doing here and then she comes out and like calls him disrespectful i just feel violated right now huh that was wild because it's like now it seems like you're like sicking this guy on your boyfriend yeah yeah
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And we don't know the timeline.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
And then she sits down for girls chat and is just throwing Nick under the bus. Yeah. More like the embarrassment she wants him to feel. Yeah. It's awful. It's awful.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
It is cruel.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
She's giving us the play by play on how many texts he's sending. It's awful.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
He refers to his service of the country? He does.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I want to know how they got on the show.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
We certainly know that it has cologne all over it.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I don't know.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
They're at least cuddling, you know?
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
They did kiss. We know that.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
So for those who don't know, a demand letter is something that if you are going to sue someone, it is something you send to this person as like a kind of like a heads up. Like we demand that you wronged us. And it's like an opportunity to settle. Basically, it's saying you did this shit. We want this in return before we make it public and sue you. A demand letter is not public.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
jr's the definition of hurt people hurt people like the fact that he's the guy who's quote unquote been cheated on and he's the one who's like been broken by his ex-wife or whatever for him to go about it this way on television it's like he could have had just such a different approach and if like he would have been so much more respected if like in these moments he would have been like sandy like you should go talk to him he clearly like me you know like yeah like
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Crystal.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
what we're doing is crazy. You least need to like show up for this guy.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
He's like, is it because it's me? Like it's, it's, it's not bad enough that you're like some guy is like in bed, literally in bed, whether they're actually fucking or not like in bed. But like you want to ask him directly of the question if it's because you're so awesome. Like clearly, yes, he is threatened by you, But you don't need to lean it the fuck in.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
And we all can be threatened by somebody, JR. And I don't think JR, Mr. Counting Calories, weighing his food so insecure with his body that he has to do crazy shit like that. He's fucking measuring lunch?
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Yeah. That is a person who definitely has their own insecurities. And if JR was put in a room with his girl hanging with someone that he thought was a personal threat to him, I would love to see how JR would handle something like that. Because I don't think Mr. Weighing Lunch would handle it all that well.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
You're scientifically made. Sorry.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
We're interrupting Mary.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
A law, a lawsuit is public.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Yes, we met Crystal and Rob. We met Crystal there. I had met Crystal before that.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
When you get disrespected like that and you apologize after the fact, you need to take a step back and reflect and maybe do more boxing. Like, you...
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
At some point, Nick needs to wake the fuck up and take accountability for like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know if Sandy is like the world's greatest like mentalist, you know, where she no matter what she says, she's going to convince Nick that she's right. And I mean, at some point, You know what I'm saying? At some point, Nick can be like, this is crazy.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
That came across to me as like, I'm sure Sandy did at some point say, I miss you. I hope you're doing OK. But like that to me sounded Nick trying to justify like that actually felt very like like Nick was really reaching for any valid validation in his like dying relationship.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Well, I mean, that's what I'm saying. That doesn't add up, though. If she is saying, well, like, let's say she's texting Nick. Right. And it's like, babe, it's not that serious type of thing. Then why is he apologizing very seriously? That doesn't match. I think it's more she was like, hey, you're fucking this up for everybody else.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
And literally at the girl chat, I mean, I'm actually surprised how many people left. Granted, like two couples pieced out, but the people left other than Nick are like, quote unquote, buying in. And like, it's a lot easier to buy in when you're kind of feeling new feelings for someone new. So it's, you know, like you're kind of, but Nick's person's gone, right?
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
And Sandy shows up and is just throwing Nick under the bus, you know? And I think, yeah, I think she told him that he's ruining it for the rest of them. He's embarrassing himself. He's embarrassing her, blah, blah, blah. And Nick was so scared of losing her that he showed up and apologized to A.R.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I don't think it was because he realized he was like, this was all a joke and he wasn't like taking the joke well enough. I don't think that's what he was apologizing for.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Miss Annie made him feel like he did something wrong. Yeah.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
what the fuck like you know that was a you know he like but a handful of I miss you sounds like a guy trying to validate you know what I'm saying like I wouldn't say like about his girlfriend about his girlfriend he says there's been a handful that's vague of I miss you's yeah that's all he's got She's like, yeah, well, I'm fucking her.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
They were all fucking.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Any U-Hauls show up?
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Please.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
What is roster building hair? What did they call it? High body count hair. I mean, I get what they were saying.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I mean, Brittany... Brittany, if you're listening, I love you. I love you on my television. You're great. Thank you so much for showing up and knowing how to be there. And I'm holding space for you.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I felt power. Absolutely. But Brittany does look like she has not done any type of wardrobe reset since her club days, since she was going out when she was 22.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
She does her hair.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
But isn't that what you ask for? If I show up and I say, my wife wants me to have a mullet, they're going to give me a mullet. Maybe Brittany's like, give me 1988.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Shots fired. Brittany said how many men she's dating to a bunch of Mormon, Greek, Jewish married women. Most importantly, they're all going to be judgmental and catty. Yeah, what did she expect? And then to make up a rumor about Angie?
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
It's what the people in Manhattan say about the people like the bridge and tunnel people like on the weekends. Like it's like, oh, I don't want to go out tonight on a Saturday. It's going to be all the bridge and tunnel people from Jersey going out to the bar. So like the real New Yorkers, like we only go out on Wednesday because there's going to be no bridge and tunnel.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
But I bet if we had Broadway in here, she'd have been like, yeah, I was being a hypocrite in that moment. I know she would. I'm sure.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
At least she would. That's what I want Lisa to do. I want Lisa to be like, I say shit. I do shit. I say shit. Whatever. It's when Lisa just pretends.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Kyle was there. I think they're all kind of there. Last year it was a star-studded reality TV cast for sure. And Kathy Hilton had brought in real snow.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Why is Meredith doing this at this stage of life?
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I'm just curious, why didn't she get it done when she was 12? Sure, is that the normal age?
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I feel like Todd's being misrepresented. I think he's a little curmudgeon-y.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I like Todd. I think they're catching him in moments where he's just kind of like,
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Love him too.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Now we're starting to realize how Angie's getting that center snowflake.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I've been saying it.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Monica's point was just like, regardless of why I said what I said whenever she said it, Monica, they always had a reason of coming for her.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
and they're like anytime monica did something everyone just conveniently ignored the context that caused monica to say whatever the fuck she said and then just judged her on the things she said in that moment meanwhile we're all doing the whole thing so like well but then she said that monica was the one who actually said that angie's husband was gay too yeah so that's why she's speaking out because she's the one who originated yeah and we know monica is guilty as all of them but like monica oh my gosh
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Sandy. Sandy.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
We look forward to having you on.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Sure. Oh, don't listen to this episode.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Listen, I hope I mean, at least at least to Scotty's defense.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Whether we believe his answers or don't believe his answers, he showed up at least recognizing that. how objectionable some of his behavior was. And Sandy, if nothing else, I hope she- Sandy's making great TV, I'll say that much. Can recognize how it is viewed.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Well, I don't know if she painted herself in the best light. I mean, like, you know.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Oh, well, you know.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I mean, I really am curious how, in fact. So, like, you know how this show, I think the show is basically going back to Ultimatum. It was, like, so-and-so gave me the Ultimatum. And the implication is, like, whoever, like, gave the Ultimatum is the one who, like, drew. dragged their ass on the show. They both wanted to go on the show. That's what I'm saying.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I really want to know the truth is because these individuals as couples showed up together. Someone had to give the ultimatum. We've learned this from previous seasons that the ultimatum is kind of like, so who's giving the ultimatum? And it's kind of like, well, I guess I am because I'm the one who wants to get married. I think it's more like that.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
And I think it's convenient that the people who has levied the ultimatum gets to use that and weaponize that against the person who gave the ultimatum. I don't know if that is the case in this situation, but I'd be really curious as to how Sandy and Nick together as a couple decided to do the show.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
She's like, honestly, that's all I needed to hear. Southern charm.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
What's your favorite show?
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
So Olivia's been given the boot.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
It's like, all right, you won't talk to Taylor anymore.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
It's like a new timeline. Olivia. She like never existed. Yeah. There wasn't even a goodbye. There was like, oh, we used to. No.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
But you just have a girl that Craig used to sex with.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
He lives at home with mom? Yep. How old is he?
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
What he fails to say... That's now been confirmed that it was in fact Jay-Z who did file an anonymous claim. against this Tony guy.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
He also leans into loser. He leans into like victim. Yeah. I'm not good enough. And it's like, no, you're not. But you're not good enough.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Is it getting weird that some of these, I mean, and I say this as someone who's getting older, but he looks old.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
JT?
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Yeah. He's giving 50-year-old man on Southern Charm. He looks like Tom Cruise to me. Well, Tom Cruise is 70. I don't know.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
It's just more like he looked. It's just like.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
They're all like, he's holding a cane.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Like a month ago, he filed a claim under like a John Doe trying to protect his identity saying, you know, you're going after me and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Potentially very vulnerable. Like, what did you guys say to each other?
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
They said photos. Yeah.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Yeah. Was there movement? Was there looks? Was there like one liners?
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
And then send Taylor something really nice, a text.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Yeah, I don't drink as much is definitely, like, the Bravo way of getting sober.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Not drinking as much.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
He's handsome.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
And congrats, Craig. Actually, yeah. I feel like maybe more like thank you, Paige.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
He's very successful. And a conspiracy theorist.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Sometimes one thing starts as conspiracy theories and they end up being facts. You know, that happens a lot, too. Listen, as long as you own it.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Things you shouldn't give an older person.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Where did that come from?
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Like pookie, like this pet name that everyone gives like this anonymous partner.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Now it's like, wait, you have a pookie too? I don't know.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Pookie potty miss.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Yeah, we'll see if she has real snow again.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Sorry, let's, like... Sit him down before he kept showing up and like saying, hey, you can't show up like this. Did you set any like healthy boundaries like prior to like alienating him?
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Out of curiosity, with Jay-Z, with all his vigor of, like, protecting kids and, like, having to sit down with his kids, did he make a statement when his homie, when his pal Diddy got arrested or, like, beat his ex-girlfriend or anything like that? Did he, like, say anything and condemn Diddy for anything like that or, like, you know?
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I get that. But like, you know, it's like, do you accept it? Do you accept it? Except you go along with it for nine years and all of a sudden you drop this bomb being like, you know, like, I don't know. It's just like an interesting approach to like addressing like a decade problem.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Well, maybe. I mean, I just hope that it's like if he has a real problem, like they're having like serious, real conversations with him outside of making a television show.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
But you know what's not toxic? Our conversation with Riley Green, and that is tomorrow. So be sure to check out that Going Deeper episode. And then on Thursday... We have the very wild and talented Michael Rapaport and Fortune Feimster joining us for a wild episode of Reality Recap. You will not be able to stop laughing. I can guarantee you that.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
That and so much more heading your way on the Vile Files. We love you. What topics did we not get to today that we'll be talking about on Vile Files Plus on Friday?
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Unclear. There's been a lot of articles or interviews that it's, you know, sometimes she's floating around that 18, 19-year-old age range.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I mean, obviously, this is all speculation at this point. This is all like alleged accusations. But it's not alleged that Jay-Z and P. Diddy were very close and went to a lot of parties together.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
i just don't know how you like don't see some shit and especially if you're jay-z one of the most powerful people in entertainment you're like you're in the know you know what i'm saying like you're not hard to think that one of the most powerful people in entertainment in the music industry is like ignorant doesn't know doesn't know and like oh i didn't realize and oh that was going on it was silly me you know oh she looked so young but i could have sworn she was 27 like it's
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I think she's getting some bad advice from some people.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
It's getting a lot of attention from a lot of people and people in power.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I don't even know what that means.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
She was.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
yeah they made her work it i don't think they made her work it i think it was like i would love to like you know i think she wants to continue her like hosting yes yes yeah teddy's always teddy's always on yeah she's always on yeah she's living with kyle now in the glam room so i've heard what do you mean the grand the glam she's got kyle's got like a huge upstairs glam room and apparently it's to die for who announces where how did this teddy did teddy announces she's like i moved in with kyle has kyle said anything no
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
She doesn't really seem to be playing the long game here. She's definitely playing the whole make it while you can kind of attitude. I mean, when we had her on the show, she seemed very quite sweet and lovely.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
she is lean I mean crashing bitcoin or something well she I mean she sure like when we had her on obviously it was like right after she became like a girl I wasn't really sure but she was like giving all of her money away she did she did Brianna chicken fries podcast and she did ours like she hadn't really talking to anyone about anything and then she was talking about doing charity and stuff and it seemed clear that like her management team was from like the comedy space you know which is male dominated and we quickly after having on realized that like
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Her main core audience is like middle-aged men. That's like a heart, like the bro, the bro audience. Internet bros. Internet bros is, is, is her audience. And she's leaning in.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I think I don't, well, I've never listened to her podcast, but I think her audience in general is very internet bro. I think it is.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Interesting.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
thing yeah 100 she went viral because a bunch of dudes followed her sure but i guess it's just more like her decision or her team's decision or whatever whoever's decision is to like lean into that rather than to like yeah take this platform and then try to like play the long game and slowly kind of like decide what you want your platform to be about rather than saying
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
You guys, you guys, you guys, you guys.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Und diese Art von Fähigkeit, das zu tun, erlaubt bestimmten Typen von Menschen, es scheint, dass dieser Typ jemanden wie Chris Hemsworth zu haben, um ihn zu vertrauen oder mit ihm zu filmen, weil Chris sagt, oh, dieser Typ ist ein erfolgreicher Typ, er hat andere erfolgreiche Freunde, aber es gibt einen bestimmten Typ von Person, der einfach durch ihre Zähne lügt und sie sind total wie Soziopathen.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
And they get access to various celebrities. I feel like every normal celebrity has had an interaction with a total sociopath because they thought they could be trusted or they acted the part. And I think this is a type of person that every once in a while reveals themselves to be like, oh, we should not have been fucking with that guy.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Because it turns out they're a total sociopath and they're not who they said they were. There's nothing authentic about them. They're just crazy as fuck and they've been lying the whole time.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Yeah, yous, yous, that's very Midwest, yous.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Yeah, it's real. Upper Wisconsin, use guys going to game.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Er sagt, ich weiß nicht, der Typ hat mich mal am Flughafen gekauft oder so.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Wie gesagt, wir haben eine tolle Episode für euch. Erin Lychee und ihr Mann Abe werden bald mit uns sein. Und danach haben wir die ikonische Christina Hendricks mit uns, die ihre neue Show Good American Family promotiert. Es ist auf Hulu. Es ist ein tolles, tolles Show. Viele von euch sehen es. Es ist eine verrückte Geschichte.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Well, people do though. Erin Leachy and her husband Abe are joining us shortly to talk a little Bravo. Not only are they Bravo stars themselves, but they are also Bravo fans. And they're here to talk a little Summer House, a little, do they also watch Southern Charm too? They do. Fun. And a little white lotus. They are also into prestige television. The finale was last night.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Natalia Grace. War sie ein Kind? War sie nicht ein Kind? Like, what a crazy story. And it still seems like more things about the story are coming out. Like, do we even really know what the actually truth truth of the story is? It doesn't seem like we do.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Okay.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Anyway, Christina Hendricks is with us to talk about our project and a little reality TV. She happens to be a huge Bravo fan. Excited to have Christina as well later in the show. Also tomorrow we have a Going Deeper that it's something.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Allie Luber ist mit uns auf Wednesdays Going Deeper, um über ihre Leben, ihre Erfahrungen, ihr neues Show und ihre Beziehung zu James Kennedy, die Nacht, als er verhaftet wurde. Her thoughts on James, her relationship, Lisa Vanderpump. There is a lot there to unpack. You will not want to miss that episode.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
We really appreciate Allie taking her time to be as vulnerable as she was and finally open up about that experience in great detail. That is tomorrow for Going Deeper. Be sure to mark your calendars. You will not want to miss that episode. I promise you that. It was some jaw-dropping, like, oh my God. Ich dachte nicht, dass du das sagen würdest. Und dann hat sie es getan. Und hier sind wir.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Ist River noch schlau? Nein. Sie ist nicht schlau.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Sie wird älter, sie hat ein bisschen mehr Persönlichkeit, ein bisschen schwieriger zu vermitteln. Aber ich muss sagen, ich genieße meine Momente als Vater, weil River mit Leuten außerhalb ihres Moms verbunden ist. Es ist lustig, ich hatte einen Asnik-Aufruf am letzten Tag. Es war ein junger Mann, er war fast ein Vater, er ist nicht so jung, er ist 37.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Und normalerweise, wenn Leute einen Asnik-Aufruf machen, ist es so, dass sie sich über einen Scheiß-Jungen befinden, oder sie argumentieren mit ihrer Mutter oder ihrem Freund oder was auch immer, und es gibt eine Toxik, die wir versuchen, zu entpacken und herauszufinden. Und dieser Mann hat gefragt, hey, ich bin fast ein Vater, hast du für mich generelle Hinweise?
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Ich war ein bisschen auf dem Weg, weil ich dachte, oh Mann, ich weiß nicht, was er... Und so habe ich ihm ein paar Tipps gegeben. Aber dann habe ich mich darüber nachgedacht, nachdem ich mit dem Anruf fertig war, und es hat mich an etwas gedacht, das ich mit ihm nicht geteilt habe. Und das ist wie als Vater. Du musst dein Ding zuerst finden, um mit deinem Kind zu verbinden. Wie mit River.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Sie ist so nah mit Natalie. Natalie hat sie in ihrem Körper gewachsen. Sie hat mit Natalie von Anfang an verbunden. Es ist wundervoll. Ich liebe es. Und als Vater habe ich das Moment gewartet. Und für mich, was ich wollte, ist, dass ich meine Sache mit River finde, dass sie mit mir verbunden ist. Das ist der Grund, warum ich in der Mitte der Nacht tendiere, um sie zu holen.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
I put her to bed most nights because I just I wanted to be that calming presence. And like that's something we started doing, especially like early on, like Nelly and I just kind of alternated. But as like Nelly got a little as River got older and was in her crib, like I tended to be the one to put her down. And my parents were visiting.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
And so it was like, oh, Mom, do you want to maybe put River down? Just spend some time with her before you leave. And Mom was like, sure. And then River started crying and crying and crying. And she just was throwing a fit with my mom. And I finally was like, all right, I'll go in there. I'll help her out.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
We'll get into our thoughts when Aaron and Abe join us. Satisfied? Dissatisfied?
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
And like River just like, just like threw herself at me and just like immediately went to sleep. And it was like this, like, and she kind of, and she goes, hi dada. And it was like the best moment ever. And it was just like, it really finally, now that I'm like connecting with my daughter. And then it made me sad. I'm lying there with her. She's going to sleep.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
And it kind of made me sad because when you have a child for the first time, every parent will, Oh mein Gott, das ist so großartig, es geht so schnell, es geht so schnell. Und du weißt, es geht so schnell, aber jeder sagt dir das. Und wenn du das gleiche über und über hörst, bist du so, ja, ich verstehe es, es geht so schnell.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Aber es hat mich wirklich schrecklich gemacht, als River so, du weißt, es war so, hi, Dada, weil es mich so gemacht hat, dass das Hi, Dada, dass die Art, wie sie es in diesem Moment gesagt hat, sie wird es nie wieder so sagen. Sie verändert sich so schnell. Die Art und Weise, wie sie spricht, verändert sich. Die Art und Weise, wie sie sich bezeichnet, verändert sich.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Die Art und Weise, wie sie ihre Worte versteht, verändert sich. Und es war so, ich werde niemanden mehr lassen, wenn ich meine Tochter in den Bett schicke, außer mir, wenn ich helfen kann. Wenn ich hier bin, schicke ich sie in den Bett, weil es mein Ding mit meiner Tochter ist.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
And I would say to all the dads out there and the man who called in for that advice is like find your thing, like find the thing that you can do on a regular basis that like your child connect with you. Like even like changing Rivers diaper.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
It's just like I want to find like the thing that she counts on me to take care of her day in and day out because like it's great for, you know, River has her connection with her mom. It's like undeniable. And now that River is getting older, I'm finally having a connection with her in ways that like
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
und es ist eine wirklich coole Sache, aber wenn es nicht für mich gewesen wäre, sie fast jede Nacht zu schlafen, dann weiß ich nicht, ob wir diese Verbindung haben würden. Also einfach nur Hinweise an alle Dads da draußen.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
You know what I'm saying? My big takeaway is the big fans of prestige television, whoever they are, obviously we cover a lot of reality TV, we have our hardcore fans, but sometimes the hardcore fans of prestige television are really fucking obnoxious. Sie nehmen sich sehr ernst, weißt du?
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
I know it's so sweet and it does make me sad. It really like it makes me want to stop time because like she's just at an age that like all these moments will just Wenn sie drei ist, bin ich sicher, dass es großartig wird. Ich bin sicher, dass sie Dinge macht, bei denen ich wirklich aufgeregt werde. Aber sie wird es niemals... Die Art, wie sie heute arbeitet, wird sie niemals wieder so arbeiten.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Die Person, die sie heute ist, ist eine völlig andere Person als vor einem Monat. Ich weiß nicht.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Alright, up next, Aaron and Abe are going to get into White Lotus Summer House and all things Bravo. Spring is here and you are probably looking to update a few rooms in your house. And if you are, look no further than Wayfair. Wayfair has you covered for virtually everything in your home.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Whether it's bathrooms, vanities, vanity lights, mirrors, toilets and tubs, bathrooms, storage, sinks and faucets, backsplashes and so much more. Wayfair has it all to get some really nice pieces to help you upgrade your home today.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
With Hero Bread, you can focus on your health goals and still indulge in the soft, fluffy experience you love guilt-free. Like enjoying a nutritious breakfast sandwich on a bagel, meal-prepped enchiladas or buttery rolls with family dinner. Their baked goods are delicious and flavorful, but have ultra-low net carbs, zero grams of sugar and are high in fiber.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
My favorite are their croissants, absolutely delicious and flaky and wonderful.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
No compromises, just flavor. Low net carbs, zero grams of sugar and high fiber. All your favorite recipes are covered with Hero Bread sliced bread, loaves, tortillas, bagels and dinner rolls. Hello. Man and the Baby at home. Wait, are you in a different room? In the same house or a different house? No, Abe's at work. Ah, nice. He's calling us from work. Love that. How are you guys doing?
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
You guys want to fight about it on the show? I'm really excited about this.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Let's do a scene.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Oh my gosh. Well, congratulations.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
How are you feeling?
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Wie jede, jede Szene, wie jede gute Szene, wenn Carrie Coon das Monolog am Ende des Finale geliefert hat und jeder sagt, oh, gib ihr die Emmy. Wie jede Szene. Es gibt einen Tweet, der sagt, gib jemandem eine Emmy. Es ist nur so, dass vielleicht, weißt du, ehrlich gesagt, es war in Ordnung. Es war völlig in Ordnung. Sie hatte eine Lüge.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Abe, did you gain any weight during any of Aaron's pregnancies? Because I got real chubby. You did? Maybe the fattest I ever was. I don't think I was ever over 200 pounds. Except for the months that I really was born.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Natalie hat mir gesagt, dass Mannschaften manchmal Sympathie gewinnen. Das ist eine Art moralischer Unterstützung. Ich habe das als grünes Licht genommen, um nur ein Blut zu sein und mein Gesicht am Abend zu stiften. Ich habe einen hohen Metabolismus. Das wird mich nicht beeinflussen.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Turns out. Get older.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Erin, can we address the elephant in the room? You got some online, you know, the haters want to hate how you're parenting your child. You've been kind of popping off in the comments. I'm not even that familiar with it. I saw the video. You seem fine. But the mom shamers are out and about.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
There are a couple ones where I was like, you know what? I can see where this is going to go.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Es war eine, es war eine wirklich gute Szene von Carrie Coon und vielleicht wird sie eine Emmy gewinnen. Aber wie jede Episode. Ein Fan von diesem Show sagt, gib ihm einen Eddie. Oder ein Kritiker spricht darüber, wie dieser Monolog nicht in dieser Episode passt. Ich weiß nicht, ihr Leute, es ist ein fucking Show, Mann. Schaut euch das mal an.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Nicht so viele Mädchen. Ich weiß nicht, ob das für River gut ist oder nicht. Sie wird in der Schule mit vielen Jungen namens River gehen. Ich mag es, wenn es für einen Jungen geht. Es ist wunderschön.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Du kannst Kylie Jenner sein und es in drei Monaten wechseln. Ich weiß.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Untertitelung des ZDF, 2020 Untertitelung des ZDF, 2020 Untertitelung des ZDF, 2020 Untertitelung. BR 2018
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Untertitelung. BR 2018 Untertitelung des ZDF, 2020
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
He couldn't get past himself. I'm not saying it was healthy love.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Untertitelung. BR 2018
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
We want everyone to feel about us.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Not us, just people. Overall. We don't want someone to love us the way they loved each other. All I'm going to say is it was the therapist's fault. It was the therapist's fault.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Er hat gesagt, ich muss mit dir sprechen, jetzt. Es war sehr klar. Das ist wahr. Du konntest ihn sehen in seinen Augen. Sie war so, ich werde in einer Stunde zurück.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Why aren't you worried about me? That can be kind of an ick too. But I think a lot comes down to what is the relationship dynamic period? Paige presents as this very boss, confident. She always tells you exactly what she's thinking and feeling. She takes no prisoners. She's got a sharp tongue. If that's your partner in a relationship, it's really hard. You know what I'm saying?
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Würdest du jemandem auf der Ecke eines Bricks sagen, dass er in einer Stunde zurück ist? Weil dieser Mann war auf der Ecke. Letztendlich.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
There's usually only one very dominant person in a relationship. you know or there's two people or it's even playing field very rarely is it like two dominant personalities so i think craig just kind of took a back seat to pages more dominant personality and i think even craig saying like hey i've never i didn't expect to be like
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
die verabschiedete Person in der Beziehung ist, dass er quasi bemerkt hat, dass er das auch nicht erwartet hat. Ich mag nicht mal diese Partie über mich, aber es ist so, dass sie diese Rolle so gut spielt. Sie ist in dieser Rolle überzeugt. Und er ist irgendwie verabschiedet von diesem, hey, wirst du mich anrufen? Weißt du, weil er weiß, dass Page das nie wird. Page tut das nie.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Page gibt Craig keine Möglichkeit, zu sein, der Mann in der Beziehung. Und nicht, dass sie etwas anders tun sollte, es ist einfach so, dass ich manchmal denke, ich denke, dass Männer manchmal fühlen, als ob sie einen oder zwei Rollen spielen. Entweder sie sind der Arschloch, oder sie sind diese Art der Bitch.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Es ist wie, entweder ich brauche dich, um in Stand-Up zu sein, und ich brauche dich, um dich zu beurteilen, aber wenn er das tut, dann ist es so, warum bist du manchmal so ein arschlocher Arschloch? Und dann, wenn du ihn nehmen willst, ist es so, Mann, setz dich auf und sei ein fucking Mann oder so.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Und es ist so, Jesus fucking Christus, welchen willst du, um mich zu, weißt du, Abe weiß, worüber ich rede. Ja, Abe weiß, worüber ich rede.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
So I ultimately with with Paige and Craig, I mean, they just I think they just weren't compatible. Like, I think I honestly thought Craig at the Southern Charm reunion finally said something that, you know, really showed real growth, which is him just acknowledging that, like, I think he loved the idea of their relationship, especially towards the end.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
He has the benefit of watching some of these clips back and some of these things that we all get to see. And he's forced to acknowledge that, you know what, maybe we weren't as in love as I thought we were. Maybe I wasn't even as in love as I thought I was. And maybe, yeah, maybe we're just not supposed to be together. And you see him kind of slowly accepting that.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Again, mental health problems.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
What was jarring for me watching... die Southerner Charme Reunion, ist der Flashback von Craig, als er zuerst auf diesem Show kam.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Und Craig, als er zuerst auf Southerner Charme wurde gedreht, sieht aus, als ob jeder, der die... Wenn du die Läufe und Ordnung gesehen hast, und es war immer eine reiche Familie, und dann war es ein reiches, schlechtes Kind, das sich um eine Verteidigung handelte, jemanden getötet hat und Geld besiegt hat, aber er hat die Goody Two-Shoe gespielt,
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Craig, das ist, wie Craig in der Saison 1 von Southern Charm aussieht. Er sieht so aus, als ob du das nicht vertraust.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Chelsea deserves an Emmy.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Nein, er sieht aus wie ein weißer Lotus-Charakter.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Chef, der junge Chef sieht aus wie ein sehr toller, hansom Michael Cera. Interessant.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Shep ist süß. Er ist gut. Ich glaube, sie sind alle großartig.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Ich glaube, Craig ist jünger und Shep ist jünger.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Can we talk about a couple White Lotus beeline stories? One, the one that Woody Harrelson was supposed to play Walton's role. Sam Rockwell. Sam Rockwell. He was apparently up for potentially one of the two. Now, allegedly, or not allegedly, apparently, not even apparently,
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Ich verstehe Craigs Ansicht ein bisschen. Er ist sicherlich rund um die Ecke. Wenn alle deine Freunde schön sagen, du bist ein Überzeuger oder ein Überzeuger. Vielleicht bist du ein Lüfter.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Yeah, but like when you get called out for that, you're like, you know, really, hours? Like, well, no, I mean, it just felt like a couple hours. Where Craig seems the type of guy who's like, no, yeah, it was like five and a half. I have it marked down. It was like five hours and 27 minutes, you know? And he's just like, that's not embellishing, that's lying. That's adding context.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Wo ich Craigs Ansicht verstehe, ist es so, dass wenn du in dieser Phase deines Lebens bist, du bist in der Mitte der Zeit, in den late 20s, early 30s, 40s für einige Menschen.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
We're going to be immortal because we're going to be morphed into robots anyway.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
What about Americans? Probably less. Yeah. Well, then we're past middle age if it's 72, Erin.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Ich denke, es ist wahrscheinlich.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
So technically 40 is past middle age. That's insane.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
There should be... Anyway, what I was saying is it's like, you know, when you're the person who like is getting their shit together, you know, and you get your shit together faster than some of your other friends, no one likes that. You know what I'm saying? They're very resistant to you making yourself Und dann sagen deine Freunde immer Sachen wie, du denkst, du bist besser als wir.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Verurteilt. Verurteilt, dass alle Schauspieler, alle Leading Actors auf White Lotus das Gleiche machen. Das ist wie ein Mike White Rule oder so etwas. Es ist alles fair und lieb im Filmen. Und die Spekulation war, dass Woody war wie Woody Harrelson. Du weißt, ich mache 20 Millionen pro Film oder so. Ich weiß nicht, ob er das tatsächlich gesagt hat. Aber er kam raus und sagte, das ist nicht wahr.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Und ehrlich gesagt, die Wahrheit ist, wenn du derjenige bist, der weniger trinkt oder nur richtig isst oder nur deine Sachen zusammenbekommst, fühlst du dich ein bisschen besser als die Leute, die nicht sind. Weißt du, was ich meine? Weil du tatsächlich bedeutende Änderungen machst. Du setzt in die Arbeit. Vielleicht gehst du in die Therapie. Vielleicht wachst du früh auf. Vielleicht sagst du Nein.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
to whatever it is that you usually say yes to that makes you feel worse, not better, right? And so you're proud of yourself. It takes a lot of work to do this shit. So by nature, you kind of tend to feel a little bit more superior to your peers. And your friends actually feel that because they actually are envious of the improvements you're making in their life that they're not ready to make.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
And so there's always this weird thing where people are just like, well, you think you're better than us. And you want to be like, well, yeah. Yes, I am actually right now being better than you are. And I feel like Craig's in this period right now where he sees Austin and Shep and Craig, despite his embellishing or whatever, is cleaning his shit up.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
And he's focusing on his career and Shep still has his baseball caps from college decorating his living room. Und Austin ist immer noch auf Partys. Ich bin einfach nicht mehr auf diesem Niveau. Und wenn es darum geht, bin ich sehr Team Craig. Und ich glaube nicht, dass Craig es braucht, sich zu verabschieden oder sich zu seinem Freundesniveau zu bringen, weil sie nicht bereit sind, zu wachsen.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Ja, und manchmal musst du eigentlich ein bisschen Freundschaften haben. Ich habe das mit Freunden gemacht, wo du einfach apart wächst und manchmal wächst du wieder zusammen, wenn sie ihre Scheiße herausfinden. Aber du bist einfach so, bis dann, du bist einfach so, ich weiß nicht, ich bin nicht mehr dieser Person.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
That was weird.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
I've had people say they're scared of me, so I think that's just stupid.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
I didn't get the impression that that's what they were referring to when they said they were scared of him. I didn't get the impression, and you've watched the show longer than I have, Sierra, but I didn't get the impression it was like some sort of like, they're afraid of his physical outburst.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Er hat für eine Familienvacation geoptet.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
I took it more of like his ability to manipulate or deceit or lie or to get revenge on people, his enemies or whatever, where it was more like he's more calculated. I took it that way.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Do you know a lot about horoscopes? What did you say, Sierra, about cutting people off?
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Aber wenn das der Fall ist, bin ich mehr Team Craig, weil das im Grunde sagt, dass ich nicht mag, dass du wirklich gut bist, deine Grenzen zu ermöglichen. Ob wir mit Craigs Grenzen stimmen oder nicht stimmen, er ist sehr gut, dass er sagt, das ist so, wie ich denke und fühle, und ich werde es standhalten und ich werde es verwenden. Und du musst es nicht mögen. Ich frage nicht für deine Erlaubnis.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Das ist so, wie ich operieren werde. A lot of people don't have that follow through. They don't have that like resolve to like have people be upset with them. Right. Because like the opposite of like enforcing a boundary is being the people pleaser. Right. Like and I think Austin and Shep are like notorious people pleasers. They're like the guys who like everyone wants to have fun around.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Let's have a good time. And I think they're very uncomfortable with people like Yeah, I think they were saying that they were terrified of his temper. Yeah. Yeah.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
I'm glad it worked out the way it did. First of all, Walton and Sam were incredible in both these roles. I don't think anyone could do better. And I'm a huge fan of Woody, but I don't think, I think this show is beneath Woody. No offense to White Lotus. I want to see good character actors that you've seen in a handful of shows like this.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Du weißt, Sommerhaus, da ist viel Partying los. Und Jesse Salomon, der Haus-, naja, es gibt zwei Hausfrauens-Fuckboys, Jesse und Wes. Letztes Jahr hat einer der Fuckboys versucht, eine Freundin zu haben. Es lief so gut, als du es gedacht hättest. Diese Saison, der andere Fuckboy versucht, eine Freundin zu sein.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Und er ist in eine Wohnung gegangen, wo sein anderer Hausmann ein Dreisamm mit zwei Mädchen hatte. Er scheint unter der Influence zu sein, als er in diese Wohnung gegangen ist. Und was wir von diesem Moment gelernt haben, ist, dass wahrscheinlich jemand, ich glaube, es war eine Frau, Jussies Knie verletzt hat und nur seine Knie verletzt hat. Er war da für 37 Minuten.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Also vielleicht war er nur am Zuschauen. Ich weiß nicht, vielleicht haben sie einen Timeline aus dem Dreisammenspiel genommen und einfach angefangen zu chatten über die Nacht. Das ist ein langer, sehr wahrscheinlich.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
I know what he did was wrong. I think if you beat cancer, for the next year, short of you killing someone or doing something illegal.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
You kind of get to do whatever you want, man. I don't know, man. I thought I was dying a year and a half ago. Fuck it. Yeah, I guess. Honestly.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Oh, is she? So they're not together.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
One of my favorite things online right now, especially in the reality TV space, is the attempt at the Arianamatics treatment.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Like Jason Isaac or up-and-comers like Patrick Schwarzenegger. I think this show is about showcasing talent that we've either not noticed or underappreciated. We don't need Woody Harrelson for this show. I just feel like it... Sam Rockwell is in Woody's conversation. Caliber? Er ist sicher ein Kaliber. Ich glaube, Sam fliegt manchmal unter den Radar, anders als Woody. Ich weiß nicht.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
There is a lot to be gained career-wise if you are seen as the scorned woman in the reality TV space. Rachel Kirkconnell ist aktuell von demselben Bewegung profitierend. Wer ist das? Sie kommt aus der Bachelor Nation. Sie ist letztendlich mit dem ehemaligen Bachelor Matt James verabredet. Er hat mit ihr verabredet, in einer Art, die vielleicht ein bisschen nicht so gut ist.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Sie hat sicherlich ein bisschen Kritik. Letztendlich haben sie sich verabredet. Whatever.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Er hat es ohne sie zu wissen erklärt, während sie auf dem Flugzeug war. Das war der große Kram. Und er verdient definitiv eine Entschuldigung.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Nein. Aber wenn die Internet-Internet etwas schlägt, dann wird man manchmal von etwas getriggert. Und es ist immer, gerade jetzt siehst du, besonders in der Realität TV, wo es so eine kommende Verabschiedung gibt und jemand, du weißt, du denkst, dass jemand einen bestimmten Weg sehen wird. Und Lexi ist gerade am versuchen, Oh, interessant.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Ja, Sierra hatte ein bisschen von West in der letzten Saison, oder? Bravo World hat selten hinter Sierra gefeiert, mit ihr und West zu verbreiten. Ich denke, sie hofft für das gleiche Behandeln. Ich denke, leider für Lexi, sie hat nicht für Kanzer gewonnen. Es war wie, du wirst nicht die Ariana Met, wenn Tom Sandoval nur Kanzer gewonnen hätte,
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Honestly, I think she just has her feelings.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Let me ask you this, Aaron, as someone who is a Bravo-Celebrity herself. There was a line where... Jesse's talking to the producers, right? And the Bravo gives a little BTS. Sometimes they show that conversation. And Jesse's basically saying... Es ist schmerzhaft. Es ist nicht sexuell. Es war kein Problem. Ich habe mich verarscht, was auch immer.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Ich denke, als Mann weißt du, dass du manchmal denkst, ich bin ein Verrückter. Das ist nicht sexuell. Ob die Optiken gut aussehen oder nicht. Ich verstehe, was Jesse in dem Moment gesagt hat. Aber er hat gesagt, ich will das nicht als etwas sein. Und als Mensch dachte ich, ich lache, weil ich so war, was für eine lustige Liste für irgendeinen Mann zu sagen,
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
You know, like I cheated on my wife, but I don't want this to be a thing, you know, like the way he said it. But I want to know from your point of view, Aaron, to me, that actually sounded like a Bravo, like a show line where you're like Jesse, the talent was talking to the producer saying, guys, I'm not into this storyline. You're forcing this storyline. It's not a thing.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
I don't want this to be a thing. And I felt like they used that against him in that moment.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
You don't say those words. No, I know.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Ich glaube, Sam Rockwell ist einer meiner Lieblingsgäste in Bezug auf... Oder Lieblingshangs. Ehrlich gesagt, nur Lieblingshangs. Ich habe gehört, dass Sam Rockwell, als er damals ein aufwändiger Schauspieler war, er würde... Er kommt in eine Audition und tut so, als ob er die Seiten nicht hatte. Wie er nicht das... Skript? Ja, das Skript. Die Seiten.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
No, I know.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Weil die Art und Weise, wie sie es verabschieden, und ich war so, sorry, Jesse, du kannst nicht entscheiden, was es ist oder ist es eine Sache, wenn es sich um deine Aktionen handelt, aber ich kann es völlig verstehen, wie in diesem Moment, wo er einfach so ist, Leute, ich bin da, um zu spielen, ich bin da, um euch Storyline zu geben, aber ich bin nicht da, um euch zu machen, dass das eine Sache ist, das ist dumm.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Und ich war interessiert, was du dachtest. Ja.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Well, one of the... Garcelle just left Beverly Hills.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
There was a producer who was talking about Garcelle's exit and he mentioned how proud he was of her. And you see comments like this online all the time for various actors or reality TV stars. But he... Dieser Produzent hat gesagt, dass er die Charaktere, die sie als Person betrachten und wie die Crew mit verschiedenen Talenten gearbeitet hat.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Er hat gesagt, dass die Crew, die mit Garcelle zusammengearbeitet hat, immer ehrgeizig war. Sie war immer wundervoll und freundlich. Das war anders als bei den anderen Castmates auf Beverly Hills. Are there some people from the Roni franchise who are more pleasant to production than others? Yeah, of course. You can't name any?
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vow Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick, and boy, do we have a jam-packed week lined up for you guys and a great episode. Excited to be getting into it with you guys.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Okay, so slightly inconsiderate with her timing.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
So it's a bummer. It did feel like, I don't know why I felt this, because she's been my girl this season, but it felt like this producer wanted to say that Dorit was mean. I don't know, I'm basing this off nothing, but I don't know. When he was saying how Griselle was so kind to the crew, it just felt like he wanted to throw Dorit under the bus. But I could be wrong.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
I could be totally wrong. Maybe me projecting. I don't know.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Er bekommt das Skript und tut so, als ob er es auf dem Flugzeug lernen muss, auch wenn er es schon praktiziert hat. Und er kommt in eine Audition, als ob er das Skript gesehen hätte und ihm diese Vorstellung gegeben hätte, dass er es einfach auf dem Flugzeug herausgefunden hat. Was ich ziemlich schrecklich fand. Und dann meine Woody Harrelson-Story.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Have you had any conversations with Lindsay about it? You say you don't know. Is that an I don't know? Because you do know. You have to shrug your shoulders. I'm sworn to secrecy. I don't know.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Have you talked to her about it?
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
It's not like it's your decision. What do you think?
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
I think you guys kind of need it. You guys need a little...
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Ich weiß nicht, ob ich das je erzählt habe, aber es ist einer meiner Hollywood-Regretten. Right after I was The Bachelor, I was on Jones on 3rd having a turkey sandwich, a turkey club sandwich in the corner by myself. It was like right after The Bachelor season aired. And a man came up to me, tapped me on the shoulder, and it looked exactly like Woody Harrelson. But it wasn't.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Yeah, that's why I feel like you guys could use a little Lindsay Hubbard, because in this past episode of Summer House, it was like, Wir sind wirklich glücklich für Karl. Er hat seine Launch Party für seine non-alkoholische Bar, die alle sehr unterstützend sind. Und dann hat Lindsay gesagt, ehrlich gesagt, wo ist die fucking Bar? Das ist nur eine Party, um eine Bar zu erneuern.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Und ich will, ich will diese Art von Energie, Roni, wenn eine von euch Mädchen einen solchen Event hat und es ist alles flaschig und es ist für die Show und Lindsay, um einfach zu sagen, was What is even going on? And like to start, like just question, you know, give us some like hardcore, like Lindsay Hubbard, like this is bullshit. Because I was kind of with Lindsay on that one.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
I mean, listen, you know, when it comes to like Hollywood or tech startups or whatever, you know, it's a lot of like show and then tell type of thing. You have the launch party, you get the interest, whatever, you create the buzz and then you actually create or make the product. I've done both. I prefer to show them you can actually do the thing rather than talking about the thing.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
With Carl, I'm really happy for him. I'm glad he's picking himself back up. I'm glad he's dating. I'm glad he's sober. He's making a lot of self-improvements. But where's the bar? If I'm his ex, like Lindsay was, I would have the same type of reaction. I'm happy for him, but he hasn't done anything yet.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
What about you, Abe? Are you pro or not pro Lindsay Hubbard coming to the season of Roni?
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Das ist so lustig. Okay, Leute. Danke fürs Zuhören. Glückwunsch auf euer viertes Kind. Wir freuen uns auf euch beiden. Wir wünschen euch alles Gute. Danke, Leute. Danke. Tschüss.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
It was his brother, according to this man. And he was very nice and very lovely. And he's like, hi, I'm Woody Harrelson's brother. And he's like, I watched you on The Bachelor, big fan of the show. And he's like, hey. And he offered me like good weed. He offered me like Woody Harrelson weed. And I declined. I was like kind of caught off guard. This man looked exactly like Woody Harrelson.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Tschüss. Ich hoffe, dass das Lindsay-to-Roney-Ding passiert. Es muss passieren. Sie kann nicht mehr in der Sommerhaus-Ruhe schlafen.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
She had posters. They weren't sheets of paper.
The Viall Files
E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Yeah, add the show element to it, right? Like, just the whole story, like, outside of, like, what we're watching, right? Like, there are definitely some gaps, for sure. Like, Gap 1. These were on poster boards and, like, neatly, like, tucked away for the right time for Kenya to bring them out, you know? So, like, clearly she planned on this.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Und sie machten es so, als wäre Kenyans Antwort eine Reaktion auf Brit, die zu ihrer Party unerwartet und die Party verabschiedet hat. Und das ist, weshalb sie sich fast als getriggert fühlte. So kam es mir heraus. Aber wo waren any of these producers? when she brought in poster-sized pictures of these sexual acts that were going to be so egregious that they were going to fire Kenya from it.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Did no one catch wind of it? Did no one see this? You know what I'm saying? For everyone to act like this was like just kind of happened so fast that they didn't realize it and it was like kind of almost too late after the fact. Because that's kind of how it shot, right? Like it was just like, oh, she did this. We can't believe she did this shit. We can't stand by this. We have to fire her.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
But it's like she brought posters. Du sagst, dass Kenia ein Geheimdienst war. Er sagt, dass es nicht unvergesslich ist. Keiner hat das gesehen? Keiner war so, oh, du hast Poster gebracht. Kann ich diese von dir holen? Was sind diese? Keiner hat einen Blick genommen?
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Die Argumentation, dass diese Fotos für jemanden vorhanden sind, der sie online finden kann, ist eine verdammte Argumentation. Was Kenya tat, war schrecklich. Verrückt. Und sie muss absolut für das gefeuert werden. Gut, nimm die Bedrohung als echte Bedrohung. Sie hat sie bedroht. Ich verstehe das. Aber das ist keine Bedrohung. Kenya hat es getan. Sie hat nicht gesagt...
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Das Äquivalent wäre es, wenn du nur über die Videos oder Fotos sprichst, die für die Leute vorhanden sind, und sagst, du hast das gemacht und du hast gewohnt. Waren wir alle ein bisschen Hose, weißt du, an einem Punkt in unserer Leben? Die meisten von uns? Ich weiß es nicht.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
fair enough kelly said the same thing who is this hell yeah like you know if the worst thing that you can find is someone being a hoe back in the day if this situation didn't happen i feel like the whole bravosphere would be like strongly against brit which is the interesting situation of course because like you you should not be carrying a gun and threaten said person with the gun but like when you bring a poster size pictures of
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Anyways, it's definitely a life regret. I wish I would have not turned it down. I wish I would have just said yes to this opportunity, whether it's actually his brother or not, and just went with it. Because maybe no, I could be smoking buddies with Woody Harrelson right now.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Und lasst uns klar sein, dass Kenyas Antwort auf das Gefühl, dass sie sich nicht respektiert, basiert. Weißt du, was ich meine? Es ging nicht darum, dass sie sich für ihr Leben erschreckt. Es ging nicht darum, dass sie sich, weißt du, berührt. Es war der Respekt. von einer Waffe verletzt zu werden. Und so war ihre Antwort auf das Entschuldigen von Briten. Weißt du, was ich meine?
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Und das ist das, was es so horrifisch und so schlecht macht. Weil ihre Argumentation ist wie, oh, du hast mich mit einer Waffe verletzt. Und wiederum, schrecklich, du solltest das nicht tun. Und wenn all das passiert wäre, bist du recht, wir wären alle auf Team Kenia. But it wasn't like she was worried or scared. She just felt disrespected.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
And her response to that disrespect was to go as low as possible. And not just even talk about them, but bringing them up so that everyone could see. At a party, in front of her peers, in front of her community, in front of her friend. It was just... It was nasty. It was like... Basically, Kenya, just show. There's no... I will go as low as I have to. It won't matter.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Justin, wenn du Angst vor jemandem hast, And that person you thought had a weapon of any kind. And you were legitimately afraid of them. Your response would be to embarrass them publicly?
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
So her response was then to trigger this person? You know what I'm saying?
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Untertitelung des ZDF, 2020
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
He wears it well. He wears it well. Is it receding hairlines? If they're sexy, what about bald spots? Is he also making bald spots sexy? Because he has a bit of both.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Also ist Turkey okay? Wir müssen uns nicht überlegen.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Untertitelung. BR 2018 Untertitelung des ZDF, 2020
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Ist das nur ein paar Leute, die sich anstrengen?
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Und wir sind in diesen coolen Rucksack-Platz eingepumpt. Und da war ein schöner Mann, der in der Strasse war. Er hatte all diese wunderschönen Geschichten. Wie viel von ihnen wahr war, oder ich weiß nicht, er wollte nur Rucksäcke verkaufen. Ich weiß es nicht. Aber was er uns beigebracht hat, ist, dass wenn du einen Rucksack wie diesen kaufst und ihn rüttelst, wie all diese Mikrofiber.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Aber diese alten Rucks, die sind so alt und aufgeworfen, das kommt nie auf. Und es scheint, dass es besser für dich ist.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Ich würde sagen, wenn es um diese alten persischen Rucksäcke geht, ist es wirklich einfach, sie draußen zu nehmen und sie runterzuholen.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
...drehen schneller, weil du nicht... Ja.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Yeah, they glue on.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Your new project, Good American Family, we watched it. It's, well, it's awesome, one. It's a fascinating story. You're amazing in it. Like really the whole cast. I mean, it's a great cast. Wonderful writing, great acting. First of all, like how much of the story did you know before you were presented this opportunity of this project? I mean, because obviously it was like a national story.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
I'm kind of into those videos.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
People got into it.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
You know, as an artist playing a role, like, do you feel, like, less able or willing to, like, form your own opinion as, like, a fan of the story? Or not necessarily a fan, because obviously it's a bit of a tragic story, but just someone who's been fascinated by the story and kind of, like, almost in a true crime way, just, like, have opinions, talk with family or friends about it?
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Or do you try to distance yourself from that, you know, when playing a character and doing...
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Meine Schwestern Ex-Fiancée machte das Glut-Toupee für einen Moment. Dann hatte er ein Gambling-Problem und konnte es nicht mehr verdienen, also musste er es verlassen.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
I'm even more impressed with your performance. Oh, danke.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Du bist ein bisschen ein Doppeltakt.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Also es ist großartig. Ja, das ist großartig.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Und die Charaktere, die du spielst, ist in einem ziemlich positiven Licht in diesem Projekt gedreht. Aber dann ist so etwas auch über diese Familie herausgekommen. Und es scheint, dass es mehr und mehr Läufer gibt.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Find this reddit thread and get some moral support.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Is this your first time like playing, like doing like a bio, like you're playing an actual person and you feel like you have to, like there is research out there you can do about an actual person? Have you done that?
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Sie wird es sehen.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
This story about the composer for White Lotus quitting, I'm triggered by it. It's quite stupid. It's just utter stupidity by this composer. Set your ego aside, bro. Wenn ich diese Geschichte verstehe, ist es so, dass Mike White und dieser Komponist zusammengekommen sind. Sie haben die Themesong für Episode 3 verändert, richtig? Und dann wollte er die volle Version veröffentlichen.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Er ist sehr hübsch. Mein Mann hat mit ihm gearbeitet.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Well, obviously it's not in my blood. It's not who I am. It's more who I want to be.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Du möchtest vielleicht ein bisschen mehr verehrte Verbindung sehen. Ein bisschen Freundschaft. Das macht Sinn.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Wie fühlst du dich über Monika? Solic City. In that whole exit. Where you like, it's time to leave.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Ich bin immer noch vermischt. Wir waren wirklich hart auf sie. Weil ich auf der Realität war, lange früher. Und die Idee, als Realität von Tease herausgekommen ist, war für mich ein bisschen triggert. Die Idee, dass... Jemand dich so verurteilen würde?
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Mike White hat ihn runtergeschossen. Und jetzt ist er so verrückt darüber, dass er es verabschiedet hat. Also ist es so, Alter, du hast dich verabschiedet. Buy a show for a show to write for the show. Do your job and set your ego aside.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
You sometimes interact with fan accounts or fans of the, you know, that interact with the show and, you know, the gossip of the rumors and they like to do that. And then, you know, they'll talk about you and that can, you know, be weird at first.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
But to find out how I saw it first was, oh my God, if I found out that someone secretly became my friend and I found out that was a person who was like covering me behind my back.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Oh, es war schmutzig und schmutzig. Aber dann hatten wir die Möglichkeit, Monika zu interviewen. Und sie war hier. Und ehrlich gesagt, ich war so... Ich wünschte, ich hätte das gehört.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Was war ihre Defense, aber? They all knew that she was a part of it. They even DM'd and interacted with the Riali von Teese. They kind of do the same.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Yeah, and kind of like guilty of very similar things, but maybe in a different way. The more I've gotten to watch or learn about Lisa just from the eyes of a fan, I kind of buy her reasoning.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
No.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
I really don't. I think in my experience with producers, and I haven't met all of them, but when it comes to reality TV, they kind of believe in their stick in a way.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Her story's a little fishy about that.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Meine Erfahrung mit den ITV-Produzenten ist, dass das eine weniger organische Art ist. Und wenn sie so etwas machen, ist es schwieriger, Longevity zu haben.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
And because he got triggered, it sounded like, because when the episode one came out and the song came out, everyone was like, oh, this isn't the infamous or famous White Lotus song that we all loved and we all got excited about. I'll tell you what, though. I fucking love the new song. It grew on me. I think it grew on a lot of people.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Du brennst zu viele Brücken nur für einen Moment. Und es ist wie eine günstige und leise Art, gute Television zu bekommen. Und ich finde es tatsächlich wahrer als nicht, wenn es um die Produzenten geht. Alle Produzenten sind nicht gleich. Ja. Knowing the production company that produces Salt Lake City and Shed Media and things like that, I just don't see it.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
And her story sounds a little bullshit about that one. She's like, well, I kind of told somebody. I don't remember who and blah, blah, blah.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Has there been one in particular that you got a little starstruck from?
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Yeah, she was... Ich habe auch die Countess vor Jahren in Chicago getroffen. Ich meine, sie ist fantastisch.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
But it's always jarring at first when you're expecting one thing and you get another. And this guy got all salty about it. And then now he's decided to announce publicly that he's quitting the show. Why would you want to work with that guy? Wenn du ein Showrunner oder ein Direktor bist, warum würdest du es dir nicht interessieren, jemanden zu hirten, der dein Leben schwieriger machen wird?
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Ja, genau. Es ist fast wie Klassen in Session.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Do you think, and I have this kind of theory, I feel like what's so popular about White Lotus, I feel like it's a scripted show written as a reality TV show. In that you're sort of... You're following these humans and it seems like almost like a character study on family dynamics and interpersonal relationships. Mike White, the creator and director, kind of famously was on Survivor.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
And then you hear about his inspirations for some of these families. And the more I thought about that, it's like, wow, I honestly feel like I'm watching a reality TV show.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Ich meine, es ist ein schöner Song, aber ich glaube, es gibt andere Komponisten, die Musik schreiben können.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
And is that, do you set like that boundary out of like respect for them or you're just like, I don't got the time to follow the drama?
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Did you get into a scandal at all?
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Ja, ich habe nicht angefangen zu lesen, bis dann.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Now it's like we're out of the bars. We're kind of into real life.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Ich glaube nicht, dass der Komponist dieses Show bekannt gemacht hat. I think Mike White did.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Or, you know, sometimes like when you're kind of in and out, like when you got hired, I'm guessing they had already been working on this project. Did you get to interact with like Ellen and the rest of the cast all that much?
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
I'm just saying, every season we get excited about various cast members, we're talking about actors, you know, Walton. Walton. Wir sprechen über ihn. Wir haben Walton in vielen Filmen gesehen, in vielen Filmen. Er ist in fast jedem HBO-Show. Er ist in vielen tollen Sachen. Ich bin ein Fan von ihm. Ich bin ein Fan von ihm länger, als ich seinen ganzen Namen wusste.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Did someone fall out?
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
They just couldn't find the right person?
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Wie viel erinnerst du dich an deine Mad-Men-Tage? Das ist natürlich ein ikonisches Show. Einige nennen es das beste TV-Showjahr jemals.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Ich bin da, ja. Und viele andere Leute auch. Aber ja, wenn du ein Teil von etwas so Besonderes und so erfolgreich bist, wie ist deine Beziehung mit dem Show? Und, weißt du, ob es streamt auf AMC oder du siehst es oder wie? Ja, wie?
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Es gibt so eine Vibe zum Show. Ich weiß nicht, besonders wenn du dir das Zeitpunkt magst und es dich wirklich in einen bestimmten Mood setzt. Es ist nicht nur sehr nostalgisch. Es ist sehr adult. Manchmal findet man verschiedene Shows, in denen man einfach einen bestimmten Art von Gefühl spürt. Und das ist sehr gut.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Well, I always really liked the fashion and things like that. And obviously there's a lot of, like, toxicity with some of the characters and how things were back then.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
It's a little dangerous. You know, there's a coolness vibe to it. And there's, like, a style vibe. Like, from a guy's standpoint, I've always really enjoyed. So, like... Ja, das ist immer die Vibe.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
And it's shows like these that are popular in the zeitgeist of pop culture that really make working actors stars. And it's the whole show. It's not just one person. But if there is any one person, it's Mike Weick. It's not some composer for coming up with a catchy tune. I bet they can find other composers that are coming up with catchy tunes. I don't know.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Gibt es irgendwelche Projekte da draußen oder Typen von Projekten, die du machen möchtest oder was wie ein Traum-Type Projekt wäre? Ich meine...
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Yeah, you know, it's a work in progress. But I'm excited for y'all to listen to this week. Y'all, y'all, you guys.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Ich brauche mehr Rom-Coms.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Ja, wie ein Meg Ryan, wie ein guter Mann.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Und White Lotus, übrigens, White Lotus.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Put it out there, hey Mike, if you're listening.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
You know, we were hanging out before COVID started. We were in New York when things were getting crazy. And then, like, she had spent a week with me, like, Covid war das erste Mal, dass wir so lange Zeit verbracht haben, weil sie in Georgia lebte.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
It's just a perfect example of one person allowing a moment to get to their head and act like a diva. Ich weiß nicht. Für mich ist das die Verhältnisse des Komposers.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Hoffentlich funktioniert das wirklich für euch.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Das war's für heute.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Dieser Komponist versucht, es über sie zu machen. Er ist da draußen, wie du weißt, dass er sich darüber beschäftigt. Er spricht darüber, wie er Mike White gar nicht in Person kennengelernt hat, dass wir alle gleichzeitig herausfinden. Just because Mike didn't want to drop the whole track on YouTube. It's like, come on. That's so silly.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Yeah. Girl. I actually don't believe that. I think she just said that and we just believe it because it's Parker Posey.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Warum bist du überrascht mit dieser Geschichte? Ich bin einfach überrascht. Ich denke, wenn es sich um die Celebrity-Public-Figur-Szene handelt, ist es eine Mischung von unglaublich normalen Leuten, die entweder unglaubliche Talent haben oder Glück hatten und etwas gemacht haben, oder
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Oder Leute, die nur Psychopathen sind, die wissen, wie man andere Celebriten lügen und manipulieren, um ihnen Zugang zu bekommen. Wie dieser Typ, der filmt. Er filmt mit Chris Hemsworth und anderen öffentlichen Figuren. Er hat seine ganze YouTube-Plattform. Und je mehr wir über diesen Typ erfahren, desto mehr klingt dieser Typ wie ein absoluter Soziopath, wie ein absoluter Psycho.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Definitely not Midwest.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Er versucht, einen Polizisten zu übernehmen. I don't know, there's this video of him talking about how he's going to eviscerate everyone with his intelligence. It just reminds me just how in Hollywood, like if you make it or if you make it a celebrity, it's like you feel very alone, right? You don't really know who to trust.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
And whether you're like this, an A-list celebrity or a D-list celebrity, so much about like making friends and like who your circle of influence is, is about like who you can trust or who can help you out. And then when, if you become like A famous person overnight or even if a reality TV star, you get a little celebrity.
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Even your friends or family members, like cousins, start treating you weirder differently, right? Because they don't really know how to be around celebrities, right? And so sometimes celebrities are looking for people who know how to act normal around them, right? They don't want to become friends with fans. They want to become friends with people who treat them as equals, right?
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E914 - Christina Hendricks, Erin & Abe Lichy, White Lotus Finale, RHOA, Summer House & Southern Charm
Das erlaubt einem bestimmten Art von Person, diese Celebrity-Zirkel manchmal zu infiltrieren, weil sie sehr gut sind, eine Rolle zu spielen. Wie die Anna Delvey-Story. Diese ganze Geschichte war basiert darauf, dass dieser Charakter, der die Parti umsetzen konnte, in diesen Räumen von supermütigen, supermütigen Menschen sein könnte und so agiert, als ob sie dort gehörte.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
I don't need to see anyone doing anything in a movie theater. That is why.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
A little black and white moment.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Speak for yourself.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
No, I was trying to do.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Oh, my God. Yeah. No, I was just trying to be like aesthetically pleasing. Like black and white.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
I think we had like gone to lunch that day. We had like gone out. We left the house. Yesterday was like rough for both of us.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
I want to talk timeline a little bit because I feel like in Justin's complaint, it was a lot of screenshots and text messages with no date, no when this happened. I guess they just don't include that to what favor. his complaint or favor her complaint?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
She killed. Last night. Hysterical. It was like a mix of just the perfect amount of roast with classy jokes and... She kept it punchy and fun and good energy. It wasn't like...
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
What did you make of Justin's lawyer going on the Today Show and having that little interview where he says Justin 100 percent never wanted to hurt Blake? But we do have the screenshot of Justin sending the Haley Bieber text tweet thread saying this is what we would need to do to her.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
I watched her do some interview and it was like, how do you find the balance? And she basically was like, I study these people and I become fans of them so that the quote unquote roast comes from a place of love and not from a place of like, I can't stand this person, but of like, at the end of the day, I still respect you and love you and appreciate what you create. But we're excited for her.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
I also think it's like as women, I think it's very rare for us to feel 100% safe. One thing I said in our vows, I say it to Nick all the time. It's one of the biggest reasons why I love him so much and why I wanted to marry him and have children with him is because he makes me feel safe. I feel safe. I feel protected. And I think as women, that's something that, you know, we look for.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
We, you know, feel comfortable in. And I think a lot of times it's not natural to us to be to feel safe. Right. Walking to our car at night. having a job, going to check the mail. Like, there's just a lot of easy places where you don't feel safe. And I think Justin, for me, sold the idea to Blake that he was safe and that he would create a safe environment.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
And he sold that idea to her and then switched it and completely made it unsafe. And her uncomfortable win against her trust and just... like, did all of these things to completely flip the script. And it's like, that's why it's very jarring for a lot of these Justin fans to believe any of this is because he's, like, sold this as his brand of, like, I create safe spaces for women.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
And clearly, you know, he didn't. And I don't know, that's the hardest part for me.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
But how does he explain all the other cast and crew who who complained against him?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
And I've got dates and times in one, and then everything's washed out from the other. So, yeah, we're missing so much, it feels like.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yeah.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
We tried to get her to watch, and she was like, hmm. She wasn't holding space.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
I also think going to Emily talking about that woman and man boss thing. Oh, yeah. Going into that. I think that ties into also Blake and Ryan have very similar senses of humor. And people find Ryan hilarious and they find Blake annoying. And it's like, it's just, it's just interesting.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Like the headline I read was like, Ryan Reynolds berated Justin Baldoni for fat shaming his wife. Like, well, I would fucking hope so. If someone fat shames me and Nick's like, I'd be like, the fuck? Like, you better throw hands. Like, huh?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Are they not good at singing? We did both. As soon as the movie ended, we looked to each other and we were like, where is the Glinda? Elphaba? Glinda? Elphaba? Come to find out. That's just the fucking TikTok they did.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
I think he is only committing to her now because she got so popular on the show.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Because remember in the beginning, he was very much like, fuck this bitch. I'm the reason she's on this show. We just go to Costco together. We're not like that.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
No, I don't think there's any love.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
And it's also like what you're choosing to post on your own social media shows me that that's who you are in real life. More so than like what we see on an edited reality TV show. So it's like the fact that he... What is he posting? Well, this whole thing that we're talking about. Shows that like we see that he's texting her like, I love you, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then he goes...
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
on social media and tries to air out and be like, she's nothing. I'm the reason she's on the show. She's using me for a storyline. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Are some kind of mean things to say about someone you quote unquote love.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yeah, I see a little JJ in him for sure.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yeah. What is going on with Jennifer Aiden and Jersey Mike's?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Gotta be LAX. That Jersey Mike's right there in the Delta.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
They're not being like, hey, no olive oil. They're being like, hey, actually, no provolone. Add this, add that, add this, put this on it, and add that. Whole new sandwich. You're also at the airport. So I'm like chaos.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
She probably thinks she's an older woman who doesn't have a TikTok. Yeah, exactly. I don't think she thinks.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Literally, I'm like, it sounds like that's because she was giving the backstory to the rest of Whoville, right? No, where is it? Munchkinland. Munchkinland.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
But it's also, like, the woman behind you got her sandwich first, probably because it was one sandwich and you ordered four. Like, that's going to take a little longer. Also, wheat is more expensive than white. So, like, if you change it to wheat, bitch, you got to pay the extra 80 cents. Yes. Like...
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Okay. It's also just like you... They're doing God's work.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yeah. Yeah. Like, I'm going to sue. You know, I'm going to sue. I'm going to sue is the craziest thing I've ever heard in that situation.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
I'm a celebrity. I'll sue.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
No, it would make me want to so hard to be like move at the pace of a fucking snail. Oh no, you missed your flight waiting on your sandwich. I'm sorry. I think our toaster's down. Yeah, like I would take so long to make those four sandwiches and then I would make them so wrong and then I wouldn't spit in them because that's just like a little too far but they would be all wrong.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
So, okay, well, she's giving the backstory and I was like, this is a perfect time for them to go into We Were Roommates back in school. Glenda's awkward, or Glenda's, whatever. You got it, you're on it. She's like wrapping the narration. Yeah.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
They would have everything you asked me to not put on it on it plus some extra and you would get them cold. Like it would be so fucked.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
She hasn't been like, here's my lawsuit.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yeah, to record is one thing. And then to go onto the app, click the post button, click the add the video. That's a lot of steps.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
I feel like I honestly am glad that this season has already wrapped because I feel like all we would hear is four under four. Yeah. Like all we heard before was three under three. So congratulations. That is exciting.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
She killed it.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Someone stole my Karastos partnership, not naming names. Not naming names.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Wait, so Brittany did not get the sponsorship?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
But wasn't she on Watch What Happens Live saying, like, I got a sponsorship?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
But then Lisa got it. On Lisa Barlow's page.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Did Lisa respond to this?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Let's see.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
It's crazy that Brittany felt confident enough to say that on Watch What Happens Live and then for Karastas, the brand, to then be like, JK, girl, we're going to give it to Lisa instead.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Oh, yeah.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Well, I think it got maybe a little.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Well, I think it got maybe a little buried by.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Well, I mean, I think Bronwyn has, all we've seen this season is Bronwyn being like, Lisa, you're not as good of a friend to me as I am to you. And I think this just further proves that.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
But a hero.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
I mean, I think people trying to make Birkins cute are wrong.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
All of them.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
They are computer bags. They are briefcases. They and they're so expensive. I think it's literally just to show off how much money you have. I don't think it's to be like I have a sense of style. They are investments. But they're only investments if you plan to resell them.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
And most people like myself, I love a designer bag. I love it to pass down to my daughter. not to sell one day.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
I don't have plans to sell any of them, no. If we fall on hard times. Well, yes, of course. If we fall on hard times, I will be selling my soul as well. And a Birkin is a down payment. I don't own a Birkin and I don't want a Birkin. I just think it's funny that the people who are upset that Walmart has this dupe Like come the fuck on. It's ugly anyways, you know?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
But the people who own Birkins, like just people, like regular influencer, rich people are like, yeah, how fucking dare you try to copy us?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
You can put your laptop in it for sure.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Devastated. I think it's sad just because this most recent episode of Southern Charm, he talks about freezing his sperm because if he were to get into a car accident or something, God forbid.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
And also not feel like they need to post a joint Instagram post with a caption. Please respect our privacy. We love each other.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
No, but also I think in these type of scenarios, it's like the story, the made up story that people come up with is always way more fun than the truth.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Because the truth of them just being like, hey, we're just going to break up right now because we're not on the same whatever, whatever, whatever. We're in two different places of our life. It's boring. So everyone on the internet is like, oh, let's mix it up and throw some spice and make an interesting story that people want to watch on TikTok.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
I loved them as a couple.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Well, I wonder if they would edit him out as much as they could.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
It could have been someone else on his team. They could have sold out. They could have not restocked. Absolutely not. I was saying that it has a meaning. Nick's being a fan and he's speculating and now he's trying to make the story more exciting.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
absolutely speculating 100 true but i do think because the truth of what it could be is they sold out and he's like we're not restocking let's just cancel it yeah so now there's no page to exist but it's like that's not fun let's make it that he hates her so he deleted it i didn't say anything about anyone hating anyone i personally went in there hurt feelings
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Well, Jon Hamm is sad. for Paige and Craig, which I think is pretty iconic to have Jon Hamm be like, that's sad, never saw that coming.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Was it hard for you?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Do you need hearing aids?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yikes.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
I don't wish drama upon them.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yeah, that's an icky...
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Thank God you're here. Yeah.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
So welcome, Heather McMahon.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
If you need a dab.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Well, do you have any advice for people who, you know, are going through something similar? Like how is that, you know, have a mental breakdown, feel the emotions type of thing.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
So it's a real surreal red carpet interview.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Did you show her your ankles or no?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Did you have to watch everything to prepare?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Before anyone was really watching. Okay.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Also before anyone was really watching.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
What did you wear yesterday?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
So they put it on their runway to be like, this is what's coming.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Thank you. Octavia Spencer, she went to Auburn. She did go to Auburn. She is a huge Auburn fan. Like has said War Eagle in her Oscar winning speeches. Yeah.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yeah, we'll circle back. Yeah, we'll circle back. We'll circle back.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Well, your Netflix special...
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
What are we doing? Like, nobody knows what's happening. I didn't mean it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I got a few, yeah. Well, the one that we watched was on Netflix.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yeah. If we had watched Netflix. So thank God.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, honestly, whenever you started talking about how when giving blowjobs, we do not, we're not, the last thing we're thinking about is what we are doing currently in that moment.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
I was like, yeah. Yeah, I had a little bit more of a visceral reaction than he was expecting.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Hell yeah.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
I'm writing my grocery list.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
In my head is the grocery list.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
And whenever you were told that in your consult was your husband like, oh, maybe we should rethink.
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Get excited.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Holy shit.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Well, I'll be adding that to my list. Yeah.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
I feel like in Hollywood, if you don't do it, you're...
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Right. Sometimes it is helpful. You had eyelash blindness.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Are you using eyelash serums? Your eyelashes are very long.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
So I feel like eventually I'm going to need a boob job because I did my daughter third. They she sucked him to my ankles, unfortunately. So I was like, oh, this, you know, maybe after a second, maybe I should get and I would want them to probably be your size. So if you could send me a nude. Oh, great.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yeah. You'll put it in like a Tupperware.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Do you have donor on your license?
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No.
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No.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Right, right. They're going to be in the grave with you. Yes, yes.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
So do you want to be cremated or buried?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Were you able to tell him?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Look at his neck. Look at his neck. Look at my neck. Is it similar?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Absolutely not. Just put it in the ground.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
I think cremate. I have just an issue with like worms, like, you know, eating me while I'm down there or something. Like, I don't feel like that's the way I should.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
That is crazy that she gave birth on the day she got out of prison last year. Like, that's crazy.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Is it now in your bloodstream?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
She'll always be in a barstool.
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So you'll only have like five accessible to other people.
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is that the universe or is that induce me right now do you think universe you think she was like well what are the odds that it's on your one year you know what i mean exactly that's crazy listen it's hard to be induced for your first pregnancy it's hard usually they want you to like go until you go into labor either way congratulations to gypsy and ken uh and to their beautiful family you know
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
We did have Waffle House at our wedding. They catered. It's the only way to do it. I know. Where'd you get married again? Was it Savannah? My family's farm in Savannah, yeah.
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Rankin.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Love that story. Nick was actually cosplaying, I think, a little too hard. At our welcome party, we had a little country chic. You know, I'm like, let's bring in some of my roots, have these people from the Midwest and LA and New York, like kind of have a taste of what like my childhood was like in my family. And Nick started introducing people to his diddy.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
It was daddy. Daddy.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
He's y'all in it. Yeah. I was riding a horse on Thanksgiving.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Well, it was grandmother and papa.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
She was like, if you called her grandma, she was pissed. She was like, it's grandmother. She was very classy. Betty Sue.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Oh, yeah. It was a Mimi. Yeah, they love a Mimi.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yeah. Yeah. Thank God. My papa at, you know, he's in his 90s now. Oh, he's still with us. He's still with us. Oh, that's a beautiful thing. He's the only one still with us. And at, I was pregnant last Thanksgiving. And, you know, I was, what, seven months pregnant? I was six months pregnant. I don't know. I was pretty big. I was what?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Well, I gave birth in February. In February.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Anyways. Anyways. So he was like, you're a lot bigger than normal. Well, yeah. I don't think he understood that you do gain the weight when you're carrying a child. And it was a lot of like... What's going on here, you know?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Right, and then it would just, like, you'd go to the bathroom one day.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yeah.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
We can bleep neck.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
So it's like, I got my beep done.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Wow.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yeah, you know, I feel like they look maybe worse after.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Maybe, some would say.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
With the wrong doctor, maybe.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Like, maybe I wouldn't go to, like. No discounts.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
No, no, no. Oh, yeah. I wouldn't go to, like, a dermatologist, you know? Like, I'd probably go to a. Don't go to a podiatrist.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
You don't want that at all. You want to go to a specialist. Yeah. Yeah. And I feel like if you're not going to a specialist these days, maybe you just deserve what came out.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
You know?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
If you're getting your nose job done by someone who's not specializing in nose jobs, like, that's why it looks like that.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Oh.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Like on purpose because he didn't know what he was doing.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
I gave up. I said it was boring and gave up.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Exactly. Not like a fake prank.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Oh, fake prank. That's going on for too long. Yeah. That's when I gave up. I was like, you know, this isn't for me.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
We just started. We were like, let's see. Let's see what it tries. Yeah. We met Joe Bradley at an event and he was like, hey. Hey.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
He was on his period. Yeah. He was bleeding. So he was like, and he didn't shave his pussy that day. So he was like, I haven't shaved.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
She is a doll, and I, you know, she shared some light into their relationship on the most recent episode.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yeah, the one on the boat where she's like, yeah, so he cheated on me. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Why have we not had two episodes? They don't post during Christmas. It was like he was texting or something and Gwen, her daughter, saw and then we had Heather and Whitney be like, let's fucking kill that bitch.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Oh, yes. The ring with five diamonds after.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
The way she just threw that in was like, she's fucking rich. Sorry, they're rich. She's so fucking rich. They're so rich. She's like, yeah. And, like, he did that. And then he just gave me, like, this ring with five diamonds in it.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
And then let me talk about national television. And then I, to my knowledge, she does kind of do a backtrack.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Where she's like, no, no, no. It wasn't, like, cheating. Where are y'all getting that from?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Wasn't he asked something on Watch What Happens Live? Didn't Andy be like, what's... I'm usually pretty hammered when I do this, so I don't remember much.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
So no selfie.
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Perfect.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
They are carrying, I believe, the entire franchise.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Beverly Hills is good. How are you feeling about Dorit's single era?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Same.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yes.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Woman of the world. Right, right. Yeah. Denise is coming out, not Dorit. Exactly.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
She to me is like the Mary of. Yes. You know?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Was it in Beverly Hilton? Isn't that where the Gold Globes were?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
I mean, you just don't speak like this and now all of a sudden you like woke up and decided to start calling it the shitter and saying shitting.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
But it was great. Did you feel any... No, I did not.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Is your husband back at home in Atlanta?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
What are your Frenchies names?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Love. My sister has two as well, and they're Beatrice and Tinkerbell.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Butthole to butthole.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
They have our head in like a blender and they're just like, blending it up.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Oh, yeah. She said there was a lot of like ad-libbing and sexual scenes where he's like, and now I'm going to like make out with your neck, even though that wasn't approved in a script. And I want to bite your lip and I want to suck on your tongue. Yeah, fuck this guy.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
So little.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
It can't it can't be that hard.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
So that's kind of what's taking over pop culture currently in this moment. All right. So we'll see. It's it continuously unfolds more and more and more and more. So, you know, hang on.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
I love The Rock.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Is there something about Dwayne The Rock Johnson? Yeah. The Rock. Dwayne Johnson. Yeah.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yeah.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
A lot of them, I'm sure, also think they're being funny.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
You know? Yeah. And it's like, well...
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Right. A little bit. So you're, um, I learned in your special that you are a golf widow. I'm a golf widow. Yeah. So my daddy, um, uh, well at once upon a time, he was the 11th longest drive hitter in the world.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
I just don't love calling a toilet a shitter. That just feels very aggressive.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yeah.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Diddy got a long drive and a big dong. Wow. I've always got seven kids. Oh, honey. My mommy used to say, honey, your daddy could hang his coat up beside mine and I'd get pregnant.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Woo! Yeah. Um...
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
You don't love it? I don't love it. Okay.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
So he's a dreamer. He's, you know, created his own businesses. And since he used to, then he started taking over golf courses and being like, I was the 11th longest drive hitter in the world. I should like make this golf course better. And he was really good at it.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Exactly. Then got super sick. Oh, God bless. Oh, God bless. Almost lost his life a few times. Currently laid up in a hospital bed in his living room.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Well, it's like other things happen in there. You throw up in there. You pee in there. You flush tampons in there. Some do, some don't. We can start that up again if we feel like it.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yeah.
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Not well.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Physically unwell. Self-induced? Definitely like the diet he had, you know, for a long period.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
It's close. We're close to losing toes and legs. Oh, God. I know. But they're all wrapped up. At my wedding, he had to wear Crocs because he couldn't get nothing over his feet.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
So he was wearing black tie tuxedo and black crocs.
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You're not. And so he was putting sweet tea in my bottle as a baby.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Exactly. Exactly. And so he has now, you know, needed something to live for. So he has started a new business.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
From the bed.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
He's remote. So COVID made him remote. Okay.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
We'll talk about that later. So he basically is doing a Salt Life brand called Salt World.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Well, he had to sell his boat because they had to pay for some medical expenses. So he gave me this shirt from his brand. It's like all these names of these boats. And you know people name their boats weird shit.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Oh, that's good. Yeah, thank you.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
That's really good.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Okay, you know, my brother Tony probably knows.
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They are. It's given a dry fit material. I love that.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
And he was making everybody hats.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yeah, I agree. I think you're talking back about the based on a true story show that we started watching where Kaley Cuoco walked into the bathroom.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Baseball caps.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yeah. No, no. He wouldn't do trucker because he thought that truckers were like not.
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I don't believe he has a website, which I feel like is his first mistake in business.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
I do, yeah.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
And unfortunately, I believe... I said, does he have a website? My brother put laughing emoji, not yet.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
So we're working on it.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yes, he did. So my dear grandmother passed away two years ago. Okay. Thank you very much. His mama? His mama. Betty Sue. Grandmother.
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And so for Christmas, he gave me an ornament of her where she's not smiling. And it says, I'm always with you.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
And she's not smiling. And she's always with you.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Well, first, my brother, Jackson, was the only one who got one. And he sent it in the family group message.
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Oh my God, I haven't thought about it long enough.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
But it doesn't have a name.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Where's your boat?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
You like Wisconsin? I love Wisconsin.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Right? So I don't know if you're a Packers fan.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yeah.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yeah, it is.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yeah, they're bred differently for sure. Yeah.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
It's our only options.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Freshman 15 wasn't a thing.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
I love how when people try to be like, no, well, we're just like that close. That's how close we are. And it's like, good for you. Talk to me in two years.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
You have to be hot. The guys have to be hot.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yeah, that is so true. Where'd you grow up?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
In Atlanta. Yeah, I grew up in Atlanta. And were you going to bars at?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Oh my God.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Exactly. That's why I feel like I was able to get married and have a baby at 25. Yeah. Well, technically 20. How old was I when I got pregnant? 24. I don't know, 25, because I was in the bars and partying at 11 years old. So I was like, you know, I've done that.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
I've lived the lives. I'm tired now.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Teen mom. I am. And I am. And, you know, I feel like we have a mutual hatred for Alabama.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
They killed our tree. They poisoned our tree.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
One Alabama fan at a time.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
And honestly, I think it's karma and they deserved it.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yeah. Well, we're never good.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Really?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Malzahn? No.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
War Eagle. War Eagle. We're not good, so I haven't been watching. Houston Nut. I think you have our old coach. Can't be Houston Nut. Gotta be. Hugh Freeze.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
How does he feel with that name?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Are you waiting for it to get on the streaming?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Oh, and so do I. And I also love an erotic thriller.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Oh my God, yeah.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yeah, well I have to go in and out because sometimes I do in fact need a break. My clit needs a break.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Exactly.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Exactly. The second a hand is on my head.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
I'm out.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yeah. So girl on girl because I don't need the aggressiveness of the man involved. If everyone's just seeing like their pets and kitty cats and having a good time.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
And I was like, oh, that's nice. It wasn't like stepdaughters, fucking nannies.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
It's the titles that freak me the fuck out.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Sick fucks. Sick fucks. Sometimes when I will like see Nick or catch Nick or maybe he's like, I'm like, oh, let me look something up on Google quick on your phone. Oh my God, and it pops up. I'm like, read that out loud to me.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
And then I turn to Megan. On cat sitter. And it's like, really? I want you to say it.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
What is his reaction? Is it like a little boy?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Are you being serious?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Oh my God.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
What does he think about while he's eating you out? It's gotta be, I mean, so much.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
You should ask him to read them all up.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Could you? I would.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Exactly. It's like a look into therapy session.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
God, yeah.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Why can't there be? It's always women with the biggest set of titties. Yeah. And then a guy who just looks like he got crawled out from under a subway station.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
But he has a giant cock.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
With 14 cock rings around it.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Like, let's just wait till we get home.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yeah. Like, we don't need to do it in this, like, public restroom. Like, that feels dirty.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Oh, my God.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
You don't feel, like, rushed.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
I believe she was sleeping. Or maybe she wasn't sleeping. Maybe she was just in the bedroom next door. Cheering you guys on. Maybe she was watching Girl on Girl. Who knows, honestly, what she was doing. But yeah, she was conceived that night. That's a beautiful thing. Thank you. That's really great. I'm glad that we have the memory of when she was conceived.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
I feel like maybe it'd be a little bit more confusing if it was maybe every day.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
You know, it's like I'm in the kitchen.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yeah.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
I would love to give you an egg.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Have you ever, has swinging ever entered your relationship? Like a thought? Say that again? Swinging.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
It's too much.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yeah.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
I don't want to.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Wow.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
No. Yeah. I think for that exact reason. Yeah. You know, I just feel like close confidant is probably not the route to take.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
You know what I mean? 2025 right next to the green juice, right next to the Pilates board. All that.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
What's the name of the podcast?
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Thank God.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
So yeah.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
She is baby girl.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
I need to see that movie, but I will not go to the movie theater to watch that movie. That feels wrong. And that feels like not a movie where people need to be like sitting beside strangers. And I've never seen it, so I don't know what goes on. But I did hear our good friends Erica and Scott say that they went to the movie theater to watch it, and there were people around them making noises.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yeah. So we kissed at nine. Yeah. What? It was romantic. It was romantic. I posted a TikTok of it.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Absolutely. Like moaning. And they were like, I feel like you do that in the comfort of your own home, not at the AMC. They were just like... You don't need to reenact, but yeah, they were.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
Yes.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
I wish you would have told that to teenage me.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
I sit my ass down and listen. Exactly. Mine was that we should go and get snacks. And then it was like, let's make out by the door.
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E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins
I felt like the people watching the movie didn't need to see a couple of teenagers like making out. So we took it to the hallway.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
We are...
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
No dad jokes. No dad jokes. Just straight facts and fun here at The Vile Files. We also have Emily Baker returning the show. She is going to help us break down Real Housewives of OC. Obviously, we had the arrest of Ryan's friend.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I aspire to be friends with Ryan Reynolds, for sure.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I felt triggered.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
The idea that you're supposed to perform for your neighbors and be like, I would say what 80, 90% of the people in the like comedy business or entertainment industry, like don't, don't walk around life being funny. I met Kevin Hart once. Didn't make me laugh.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Also like Ryan Reynolds is like never like claiming to be a comedian. Like he can write a good joke, right? He's obviously creative and funny.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I mean, he can write a good joke.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
It wasn't his best work, I don't think, you know?
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Isn't it, right?
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Yeah. That's true. And then his best friend slash, you know, internet enemy said someone had to say it or something. Hugh Jackman. Hugh Jackman.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
No, but like, I...
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
obviously martha stewart's an icon for all the obvious reasons whether it's her being an ex-con or friends with snoop dogg or the fact that she is like you know the macgyver of the kitchen but also if i met martha stewart be like well she didn't teach me how to book cookies you know like what like i don't know i don't ryan reynolds didn't like get shot in the chest and come back as deadpool is that the whole thing that he does well he's dead yeah yeah deadpool can't die
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I'm pretty sure he admitted to a crime there. They were joking.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
She's waiting outside.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
The problem with my neighbors is my two neighbors on each side are incredibly kind.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
are so kind and outgoing and want to get to know us and they like force us to be engaging but it is I don't want to do it you know sometimes you want to take out the trash in your underwear and not be confronted yeah same sure yeah we don't need to talk about everything I tell you what if I do want to take the trash out of my underwear I definitely do not want to be talking to my neighbors that's what I'm saying I don't want to have to tell a joke I don't want to have to share an anecdotal story I'm just trying to take my trash out they want me to do a tight five in my tighty whiteys
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Well, if you say it, well.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Good morning, Washington, D.C. For the people who don't know, the local news show, they're all from D.C. They had a panel of a handful of the people from the show. Marissa was being one of them. And completely walked back her comments. It was like, well, we're not best friends. We're friends on the show.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Stand by? You were literally...
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Yeah.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
She was like, no, no, girl, you're doing enough. Let me help.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Meanwhile, we got nothing from her out of the whole Ramses of it all.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
He said it. I don't know if he was joking. I think he was trying to be funny.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
First of all, I think Ramses' comments about birth control and condoms have nothing to do with whether Marissa continues to fuck him or not. It's a separate criticism. It doesn't let Ramses off the hook for his comments. And like, we've all like, listen, we've all had sex with people or gone back with people we know aren't right for us. Like, I don't fault Marissa for having a weak moment.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Like, that has nothing to do with how she's handling. No, no, no.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Valid question, yeah. Like, don't just move on. Marissa's mom was like, y'all aren't friends at all.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
They aren't they're not even not best friends they're barely even friends for Marissa to like backtrack her comments like she did so quickly and what's that and I'm curious like she really gave Ramses a window in redemption and I'm curious to hear random random slots when we talk about them because like listening Marissa did. Marissa, sorry.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Marissa gave during the reunion and in the interview with that DC show, she gave like, I am willing to lean into the popular narrative. She is willing to throw someone under the bus, you know, for her own benefit or her friend's benefit. Right. So it suggests that, you know, she wouldn't go against the grain if she thought it would benefit her publicly.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
But I'm pretty sure just having a money launderer is illegal, right? There's no legal reason to have a money launderer, right?
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I should work on that. Meanwhile, like, yeah, she wanted to like get even. Nick did the right thing where she's like, hey, I just want to point out that Hannah is a really good, nice person. She doesn't deserve the hate. And then she took that opportunity to then try to throw him under the bus. Be like, well, why are you liking their comments?
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I would be willing to bet that some of the comments he allegedly liked were he was maybe liking people defending him and not criticizing her would be my guess. That being said, like, yeah, it's just like, also, yeah, the whole, like, admit you thought I was ugly. Admit you thought I looked like an internet. Like, what? Yeah.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
The whole thing we liked about Nick is that he didn't take the bait from producers about maybe how he might really feel. And he chose to not be problematic. He chose to maybe keep some of his opinions to himself because he thought some of those opinions might be hurtful. And so what? Then he had an off-camera conversation with his boys. His boys like everyone just being honest with how they feel.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
And those boys, some of which include Steven, someone we clearly can't trust, who has no integrity whatsoever.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
throw his nick d under the bus and we're what we're supposed and you want us to now hate nick d because he still refuses publicly to like disparage hannah i don't like hannah wants me to call me ugly call me ugly call me just so that she can like have the internet shit on him and it's also like we watched this entire season and maybe he said that but he showed zero actions of thinking that i mean he stood by her side the entire time he was like wanting to work through it he was like
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Illegal. That's why we have Emily here.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I'm sorry, when you girls get together and you talk your shit or whatever it is, fine, talk your shit, do your thing. Girls get together, you guys talk about shit, boys get together. These are meant to be private conversations, certainly within reason. Mm-hmm.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
But like you don't get to go and then have like someone spy on this conversation who wants to like, you know, either be like a pick me or a guy. Well, I guess a pick me can go both ways. But then to like be like, you know what Nick D said in the middle of this conversation where no one was supposed to hear about that. And we also also probably said a bunch of shit, too.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
But yeah, he called her a fuck.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
The legal expert that she is, Emily, will answer some of our legal questions later this episode. Maybe she'll have some tea about the Menendez brothers in Peabody. Really, she is an encyclopedia of legal knowledge, and we are excited to have Emily back with us. Once again, knowledge, unfortunately. Well, I mean, I am happy for me, but I'm running away with this, guys.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
And it is... After the union dropped?
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Also, yes... I don't care. They're all trying to be famous. They went on TV. They all have their Instagrams active and on.
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And we will be talking with Garrett and Taylor next Wednesday for a groundbreaking episode of Going Deeper. We'll get all of their answers about the reunion, their relationship. They've been married over a year. We'll actually get to talk to the couples that you didn't get to hear from at the reunion. They have a little insight about the reunion. It's really quite fascinating as well.
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But also, yes, Stephen. Yuck.
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Just say something. And you're still lying. He was like, oh, I don't remember. And then he started describing the conversation. And then he made it seem like it was just like two sentences. And then Monica was like, no, there were fucking paragraphs.
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I absolutely believe he's never met her in person. Yeah, but they definitely messaged before.
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Give us something to root for. True. That's not self-awareness. That's playing the victim when you're not the actual victim.
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Might as well ask about it.
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And his excuse was like something along the lines of like, well, old me would have done this and I wanted to see what new me would do. And it's just like to Monica's point, bro, don't be showing up to love is fucking blind. Pretending that you're ready to get in marriage when you're this is not the show to find yourself.
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No, challenge yourself to see if you have any type of character whatsoever.
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Oh, my God.
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Lisa wants to go the distance.
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That was really great.
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We love that. What else was at the reunion?
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I think I'm definitely in the odd man out here, but I'm team Tim.
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Me too. Well, yeah.
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I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. And again, I think we all agree that there's clearly not a match. Oh, not at all. He is a very earnest guy who takes himself very seriously. But he is the type of guy who, he means what he says, he follows through, and if he promises something, he's going to do it. And she's more kind of like, Everything's kind of a suggestion for Alex, you know?
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And I just think their personalities are just the polar opposites. It's weird, especially with Love is Blind. These are a group of people who go through this very intense experience, right? They film it at least, I don't know, nine months to a year and a half in advance from when it airs, right? And then they, for the most part, live in a similar city.
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So while they get done filming, between the time it's done filming and the time it airs, these group of people kind of only have each other. And they're clearly bonding for a lot of the times. Minus maybe the couples who get married to kind of do their own thing and kind of like focus on their relationship.
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And to see so many of these people show up to the reunion and just go fucking rogue and absolutely throw some of their peers and slash friends under the bus for what they perceive as their own benefit is fucking crazy to me.
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the whole Marissa and Hannah dynamic it's just like there's just a bunch of fake friend bullshit that at the end of the day when it comes down to like what matters like at the end of the day like I love Marissa but the only person that matters to Marissa is Marissa Marissa just wants to look good and Marissa just wants people to side with her
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And it's hard to argue against that because of all the backtracking and flip flopping and they're not standing on anything, you know, just to close off the Tim and Alex part of it.
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You know what I don't need at the Love Is Mine reunions? I don't need to catch up with everyone.
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Also, AD, if you don't want to talk about your current relationship, just say... No, I love her. I love seeing her on my screen. That was like, it was a 30 second.
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She gave all like a whole like 30 second performance.
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I know, but like, I'm just saying we need segments.
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no they ate and like I need I love the reactions I don't need to like tell me about your life since the show but they should be making that it's own special where are they now what are we up to oh sure there you go it's so easy and I won't watch it yeah exactly or you could do a spin off of these characters that you love so much that you need to bring back to reunions or just do it at the end or something I guess it's the most frustrating we get like no it's like hey Ramses any thoughts he's like clearly I don't think that anyways we're moving on let's spend 20 minutes on AD and Nick and Zach and Bliss or I don't know
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Vanessa clearly doesn't watch the show. You think so?
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I think she's doing something else. She might prep for the big day of the interview and watch some clips and skims and she gets the cliff notes from her team, but she is not a fan and she doesn't watch.
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no you're right because they're like let's show them footage picture yeah there's no follow-up questions from them there's no like well what do you mean by that like andy cohen's great at that he's great at being like wait hold on like you just said something that doesn't make sense let's go back yes yeah it almost felt like everybody came prepared to say what they wanted to say they said their thing and then there were no follow-up questions that actually got them to like pause and
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Ew. I love impossible meat. Chemical meat?
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I don't doubt. First of all, I will always notice the difference, but there's no way that shit's healthier for you. Oh, for sure it is. It's not chemically made. It may not be like, hey, I'm not eating red meat, you know, for whatever the negative.
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Because he's kind of...
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he presents a bit of a dark kind of guy and he he doesn't have a filter he says kind of these outlandish things which you know for real from reality tv you can easily edit something when people don't have a filter it's easy to make them look foolish or stupid or kind of out of touch but you know you the more you get to see of leo it's just like a guy who's actually more self-aware than you realize uh doesn't take himself that seriously and more than anything can like admit when he's wrong
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And that's all we really want to hear from these people when they fuck up is just like, you know what? That was fucked up of me and I'm really ashamed. And we don't want to hear excuses even if excuses are valid. We know, Ramses, that this show is edited. We get it. Like, how did you get to a point where the show could actually even take you out of context is my question. We'll ask them shortly.
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Or like, it wasn't my intention, but I realized how I sound when I talk. Which is what he said.
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We share a cup. I do the same thing.
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Natalie never forgets her toothbrush. I forget half the time.
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All right, well, let's see if Ramses is willing to share toothbrushes with his next girlfriend.
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People would think you're a little bit of a dum-dum. And that might not be accurate or fair, but sometimes that's just how life works.
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She's going to crush. This was reminding me just how insane the internet is. The amount of tweets I saw about Barbie fans being mad that Margot Robbie had a... Really?
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we definitely don't say things to get people to come on to defend themselves but uh because we obviously were just watching a show that we recognize can be edited and we don't meet these people but you're right like honestly you show it up man we if nothing else we give you a lot of credit because we were definitely i don't think we've been harder on anyone else on the show no i i get it i understand that you can only really comment on you know what you're seeing and
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I guess it's just hard for me to understand how we can just blame editing across the board with like just how much was said about the two, like whether it's the contraception or the period sex and things like that. So with that being said, can you just like fill in the gaps? Because even the reunion, you were like, hey, it's out of context.
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A boy and not a girl is, well, I shouldn't say shocking because it's the internet, but disturbing. Yeah. That's for sure.
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And then Nick and Vanessa told a couple of puns and some Taylor Swift jokes. And they were like, wait, we want more Ramses. Anyways, can you just like put it to bed, so to speak? You know, what do you mean by out of context and what was the actual conversation like?
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Do you guys ever discuss the old-fashioned pull-out? I mean, I know I'm not necessarily recommending it as one that always works, and there's clearly risks involved, but I think if we're being honest, many of us in committed relationships, especially ones where the woman in the relationship doesn't want to take birth control, there's a little bit of like, eh.
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I saw a tweet that suggests wasted opportunity for, because, you know, this boy won't appreciate as Barbie as their mom.
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you know, we'll do our best, you know, and then we'll accept the consequences, whatever those consequences may be. Like, did you guys just practically just say, hey, well, let's, if this works out and we get married, like, you know, or were you just that anti-kid at that time?
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I don't think anyone's a fan of it.
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Also, can her son grow up to be a Barbie fan?
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Can you add the context that was missing during the period sex conversation?
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Anyways, yeah.
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So it's interesting hearing that, Ramses, and I appreciate that context, but it almost sounds like Marissa got triggered by this conversation maybe from her past and then threw out, you know, hey, but I'm on my period. Why can't you be empathetic to what I'm feeling?
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Like, do you feel like... Like, in that moment when she said that, did you kind of give like a, oh, fuck, how is this going to be looked at in a way? Am I making sense? It's like the... it's like a trump card conversation where it's like, you're trying to connect with her and she's like, well, I'm on my period.
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Uh, which obviously as we're all watching, we're like, fuck this guy, you know, like, yeah, I get it.
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The timeline makes a lot of sense in terms of when anything happens in these moments, like you're describing. I think in real life, we have the benefit of saying to ourselves, maybe now is not the time. I'll table that for a second. And then maybe a couple of weeks later, you bring something up, hey, you know, this happened in the past and I want to talk about it when you're not feeling triggered.
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But yeah, you don't have that benefit of being like, well, I guess I just need to address it now. Here we go.
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Marissa, throughout the reunion that you guys started hooking up again, in what context did that start up again? Were you guys, now that you're out of the love is blind bubble thinking, all right, maybe we're not going to get married, but is there something there? Do we give it a shot? Or did you guys just agree to be like, hey, we might not be a match, but we love fucking.
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And then you just became hookup buddies. What was the context? And yeah, can you offer a little glimpse into that relationship?
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And I feel like I've done I've I've I've had those thoughts.
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Yeah, it's definitely toxic, and you're two adults who made an adult decision, so you both play a role. But I'm sure you also recognize, looking back, that maybe in that moment, especially as you kind of described, you were kind of the person who was a little bit more emotionally regulated and had moved on, where you, like you said, were trying to offer Marissa closure, and that even if Marissa...
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wanted to have sex in that moment, maybe the nicest thing for you to do in that moment would have been to reject the sex because that obviously can be very confusing and emotionally, you know, kind of gets people in a rabbit hole. And maybe that wasn't the nicest thing for you to do in that moment.
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Yeah, you go down a thought and we're just like, that would be terrible if that happened.
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I've made your mistake multiple times. I recognize...
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have you spoken to Marissa since the reunion regarding her behavior? Because she definitely gave you a little window of redemption because the reunion in her interview, that like morning DC show, when she completely walked back her friendship with Hannah was, was not the Marissa I fell in love with on love is blind. And I was like,
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what the fuck what are you doing um because like yeah when we had her on the show she had the opportunity to let you off the hook and she did not i didn't feel like i felt like she kind of put your feet to the fire um and her behavior at the reunion and in this interview that we
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saw kind of suggests to me that you know Marissa would be willing to do what she needed to do to look better post show can you either defend or I'm just curious your take on her behavior post I was a little shocked I was a little disappointed to be honest
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Do you have any relationship with Marissa whatsoever right now? Or are you guys just kind of like, have you moved on? Or would you describe yourself as friends? Where are we at?
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He just didn't know better. I think that's just. I liked it.
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Reputation. It looked like you were leaning into your character, so to speak.
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Yeah, like stepping back. How do you feel about it all now?
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I get what you're saying in the accountability part. It's just more felt like this was a clearly a conversation that Nick had what we thought was with friends off camera.
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I would be terrified, like, you know, all the Black Mirror episodes, they talk about these crazy concepts. Like, I hope there's not the technology one day to read our minds. And then, because, like, we are, as human beings, I think we're supposed to have crazy thoughts sometimes that pop in, we process, and pop out. I think the difference between crazy isn't whether we have these thoughts or not.
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or an off mic and i get that maybe he technically said something but like we all know in the context of which it was being delivered that if nick were to admit uh to calling hannah a grenade or something like that he potentially could have been eviscerated and it just really felt like that's what hannah and marissa were trying to do which felt really dirty given like their motives
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To me, and I think for the audience, it was less about whether Nick actually said that and then the manner of what was the intent behind here. Because it's like we all have the right to feel how we feel about our physical attraction to someone. We have a right not to be physically attracted. The whole point of the show is to look past your physical attraction.
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And Nick decided to do the thing that what we all thought was the noble thing is to just be nice regardless of how he actually felt, certainly publicly. And if you wanted to have a conversation with friends offline, like we all are entitled to do that. And then for, you know, for that to be, it seemed like Steven was the snitch, which was not shocking. It's like, well, I'm getting catching heat.
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Let's just like, let's just throw someone under the bus. It just, I don't know. It just, it all came together in a very, what felt dirty way. And I get what you were saying. I get where you're coming from in that moment. It's just like, it would have, you know, I didn't agree with your take, but I kind of understand why you did what you did in the moment.
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I absolutely liked you the most when you were around Marissa's mom. Because even whether it's like you being here, like, you know, I think, like I said, like, you're a person who you think and feel how you want, you know, we all make mistakes, but you are at least able to face your criticism head on. And that does, to me, show something about your character.
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The last question I have, I think, is regarding like some of the criticism you've received around your comments around Marissa's service, which, you know, for me, like I think I think our government has a lot to be criticized for, which I think Marissa pointed out.
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What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Valve Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick, joined by the household. We have a lot to get into. It is election day. Get out and vote. Whoever you want to vote for, do your patriotic duty and use your right to vote. And then listen to while you're waiting. I don't know. Who knows what's going to happen?
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I just came from a place where it didn't feel like you had the right to judge Marissa in that moment, given what she did for this country. Do you want to shed any light or context around those comments?
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It's what we do with these thoughts when they enter in our head. Like,
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You act on it, yeah. Like sometimes having a crazy thought is to remind us how sane we are when we go, oh my God, that was just, get out of my head, you know, that type of thing. So I think it's very normal to have those thoughts. Yeah, and like they come in and they kind of make us either, it's like a fight or flight thing almost.
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We really appreciate it, Ramses. I think, yeah, if you're willing to face your critics right or wrong and answer some questions and especially, you know. It's one of these things that, you know, I don't know why people go on these shows, you know, all different reasons. But, you know, I think we also have to accept the benefits and the consequences.
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And part of it is we will have people talk about us. You know, sometimes it feels unfairly. But I really, really appreciate you coming on and answering all our questions in the manner in which you did. And it's been great getting to know you, the actual Ramses in person. So I really thank you for the opportunity.
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Thank you.
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All right. Take care, buddy. Take care.
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I mean, yeah. Which actually, I think we should just be, unless they're going to hire us, babe, we actually should be rooting for Nick and Vanessa to keep their jobs.
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Like, we don't need a season one, season two. No, I mean, I don't need someone who's better at their job, so then, you know, again, unless they're going to hire us. I would just be, like, the whole time.
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Did we like his answers, not like his answers?
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The period sex offers a lot of context. Especially the part where he recognized that this is clearly something that she was sensitive about in past relationships. It is a sensitive topic. So I could see a world where he brought this up And then she went to a place of accusing him of doing something that maybe he didn't feel like he was doing, like being insensitive about her being on her period.
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And then obviously knowing how reality TV works, once the accusation is thrown out there, it's very much easy to cut around that other stuff.
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Like the editors chose an angle.
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Yeah, because they have to deliver these types of conversations online.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I am not doubting Ramses and his answers, but I think we also have to recognize that we all give ourselves the benefit of the doubt in terms of how we come across in an argument or a disagreement.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
And so I don't doubt for a second that after listening to Ramses speak that like he is aware of how a period affects a woman's body and how she might not want to have sex or just like contraception and things like that. That being said, I could see a world in which like while he maybe didn't mean it, that he was maybe projecting a type of energy that Marissa received as judgmental or insensitive.
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And no one's necessarily wrong or right, but I just think it's not as black and white in terms of like, oh, well, the editors are evil or things like that. I think they're just kind of And it's like their opinion. We got Ramses' POV, we got Marissa's POV, and then we have the editor's POV type of thing. And I think the truth's always somewhere in the middle. You know what I'm saying?
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Like, I just think we, again, when we're in the heat of the moment, we are very unaware of how we come across. Honestly, when Natalie and I go to couples therapy, part of couples therapy is having a therapist looking at our body language when one of us is talking and the other person's listening. And our therapist is making sure that we're receiving it the way they understand that we're giving it.
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But knowing that it might be a triggering conversation, we shut down, we disconnect and things like that. So I can see it on all sides.
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And I was like, I believe that he said that. I believe he said the grenade comment. I believe he admitted to his boys that he wasn't physically attracted to her when asked.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I think they were all having a conversation about,
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I think they were having a conversation. I think they were like bro-ing it up and they were asking each other's questions. I think they were being more honest than they otherwise would on camera, which we all do with our friends. And then that was weaponized against him. Again, Stephen brought it up because Stephen's catching heat.
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All these people who were throwing Nick under the bus were catching their own heat. And they all wanted Nick to catch the heat because everyone felt like Nick, because you can clear, like even Rams has kind of alluded to it. Like, I think everyone's kind of pissed off that Nick was looking like this golden child when clearly Nick has his own flaws, like as they all do.
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Maybe he's a little douchebaggy. Maybe he's like incompetent as a 28 year old. But that really isn't our point as fans. Our point as fans is like, I don't know. We see his flaws. You don't need to point it out. But he's not an evil, vindictive guy, and he doesn't deserve to be treated the way Hannah's treating him.
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And then the fact that after Hannah apologized, and then Nick was like, tried to defend her, she did... all the things that she was accused of doing that she apologized for, and then all these other people are throwing him under the bus because they don't like catching the heat. They think it's unfair. They're just like, well, I might have a kink, but Nick is blah, blah, blah.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
You know what I'm saying? They want to play the...
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
fairness cops like Cass is this like deciding who's got it worse than than others and we're gonna even the playing field and that that's the part that feels dirty it's not I don't think any of the fans are watching it thinking like are putting Nick D up on this mantle of like here's this perfect man no one's thinking Nick is perfect no one no we just don't think Nick deserves to be the scapegoat for all these other people's mistakes and that's why people love him now it says he's like the martyr yeah yeah because everyone tried to scapegoat this guy who
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
You know, he may have his flaws, but he's not he's not problematic.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
And say what you want about Nick. As flawed as he may be, every step of the way, he always took the high road. And I think what everyone is criticizing everyone else for is when they felt like it could benefit them, they didn't. Everyone else took the low road. Everyone else did a dig. And Nick always took the high road. And that says something about Nick and his character. All right.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
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The point is they're incredibly confident in what they're giving you. Listen, if someone isn't obsessed with their Helix mattress, I would love to hear from them because I don't think that person exists. It is the most incredible mattress ever made. I think it will improve just mankind and how we treat each other.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
They are electric.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
What did I say? You've been one for words.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I got so much in my head.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
And we've hung out with both of them. What's her husband's name? Eddie. Her and Eddie. We haven't hung out with them in a minute, but it's sad, especially when you know the couple in person.
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We didn't leave them and be like, oh, they fucking hate each other.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
that was evil that was evil and twisted guess who's in the car and then John gets out yeah this might be a little misogynist of me and sexist for me to say but like I think less of him as a man yeah
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And he was rocking back and forth like a nervous... Yeah. Nelly.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Not in anyone's direction.
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That's the most aggressive he was.
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she can defend herself but it just speaks to how much lisa is a bully and even with her husband is a bully and like lies or like i mean her yeah he's just like repeating lisa's narrative of events and like and now he looks like an idiot for like you know trying to defend his wife's honor because his wife is accusing whitney's husband justin of like listen it's 2024 you you shouldn't be accusing men of of being physically inappropriate to women if they're not like that's a that's a that's a
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
an egregious accusation to make against someone in today's climate. He wasn't accusing though.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
He was just prepared. Lisa was?
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
And then the after show, Lisa was like, my husband would never talk to a woman like that. Again, she is disparaging Justin's character as a man and then suggesting that he doesn't know how to handle himself or he's aggressive around women when he was anything but in this situation.
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and exaggerating a narrative to her benefit because she anytime lisa feels like cornered in a box she like i mean she's vicious yeah she's like she attacks yeah she's on you know she accuses she makes up stories it is well mary mary said on the after show why does she even need six seven lawyers
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Whitney said, hey, I need you to make a call. Justin said, I got you. He did his job.
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Mary for sure, but like
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She did. When she met Natalie, when Natalie was eight months pregnant. She read River. She's like, you're having a boy.
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So now you love her.
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I'm watching this show.
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No, no, no.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
thank you for i think that every night when i'm like he's been fed and then he's sleeping and i'm just like what he's gonna be just choking at night yeah or it's like is she breathing is she breathing she's probably not breathing is she and they're just like not breathing i've put like my hand on river's back or or laid my uh like ear against her chest just to make sure she's breathing you know like i've definitely done that just i know all the time the breathing check all the time it's such a crazy so margo hope you uh
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Okay.
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What's with all the shit? Well, Broadway's obviously, she's new to the show, just like Brittany. And so we were kind of what, with six, seven episodes in, we're just kind of like, you know, how do we feel? We're going back and forth. Anytime someone's new, we want to judge. We want to pick them apart. And literally early on this episode, I was thinking to myself, man,
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Broin, you know, she seems like a good character person. Yeah, she's got her wardrobe.
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But even like, you know, I wouldn't dress like that. But it's just like, man, she seems like a... I can't really find a real bad character flaw in Broin. And then literally 30 seconds later... It's like shit all over her house.
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You're trying to defend this? I am. I will. I'll defend this.
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No.
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You're probably right.
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One of the cameramen shooting it and not telling her is also insane. There are one or two possibilities. Either Browen's just filthy, and I don't believe that. Or she's just like, I don't pick up dog shit.
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Which is fine. And I'm very much team Browen over Heather, which Natalie is not. But if you don't want to be accused of being a gold digger, be willing to pick up your dog.
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If I came home now, it doesn't pick up dog poop. I pick up the dog poop outside. It's it's it's my job.
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But what we're talking about, if the dog shit in the house now and I walked home and I was like dog shit four hours ago, we would have I would have a good time with that.
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But she doesn't come from that. She's not old money.
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Sonia wasn't either.
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I love Bronwyn.
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Do you think the dog did shit?
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Heather is a producer fucking pet for sure.
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Yeah. Is there a chance that Browen's watching this episode being like...
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, there's definitely a shot. There's definitely a chance.
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No, no, I think the producers did it. No, but they could be, baby, think about it. These scenes take a moment, right? It's not like Heather just shows up. Heather's probably waiting outside talking to producers for a while. They were there for hours.
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There's dog shit in there. Heather and Rowan could have been talking dog shits like while they're talking and they're like, yeah, they could be like, get a camera on this right now. Then they go interview Heather, producer pet and be like, just it's possible. I don't know. I'm not saying it happened, but it's definitely possible. Logistically, I'm just saying it's possible.
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I'm just telling you what is. I just know how this shit works. And I don't know if it happened, but it is possible.
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I do love how Browen read Heather in terms of, I'm watching this. And it's just like, you know, I said, obviously I've said over the, you know, this season, why does Heather always seem to be willing to be someone's number two so hard? It's like, it just doesn't, it doesn't make sense.
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I'm trying to figure out what, like, what is Heather's backstory in terms of like the psychological reason that Heather is the way she is. Because like, as a person, I want to like Heather so much. She's so like articulate. She makes good points. She's clearly very smart, observational. I want to ride for Heather, but I hate how she is always like putting herself in a position to be a follower.
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It's like she doesn't have the confidence to be a leader. Like in a world of main character syndrome, it's like Heather doesn't know how to be the main character. And then you hear Browman talking about her high school photo where like Heather always wanted to be Angie.
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Yeah. And she always wanted to be in the in-group. And it's just like, yeah, Heather clearly, like Heather grew up idolizing the Regina Georges in high school. She wanted to be in the in-group so fucking bad. She was a piano kid. And that has stuck with her in her adult life. And it's so fascinating to, This psychology of Heather.
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And then not Heather being called out by Angie for defending Lisa and then being offended for her friendship with Jen Shah. And it's like, she goes, yeah, I mean, I have a cloudy past of over defending my friends, the church, blah, blah, blah, but this time, This time I'm right.
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You're right because you're defending the bully of the group, Lisa Barlow, who like makes up stories and lies about people when she gets put in a corner. But like this time you're right, Heather, and you have no reason for us to give you the benefit of the doubt. But you're so sure this time.
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Huh?
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
what did she call herself she said she's I'm what binds this group together and it was just like Heather yeah it just felt like you're tearing everybody apart and why are you on Heather's side for that fight is because she gave a bad apology which she did well that but also I just like
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Well, speaking of caring too much, James Van Der Beek had to apologize to his loved ones. Well, first of all, sad news. James Van Der Beek has been diagnosed with some kind of cancer. Hopefully they caught it in time. But he is now apologizing to his loved ones who had to find out of his cancer diagnosis through the media.
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I have to disagree with that. I think it's a projection of Heather. I think Heather. I agree. I think Heather is very much like, Browen's the new kid, and, like, she is initiating Browen into her show, and she's just kind of mean-girling.
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Of course, like, yes, it wasn't the best apology from Browen, but, like, Heather's out there perpetuating this, like, stereotype about the prenub and her being a gold digger. Mm-hmm. And so, yeah.
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Either way, they're both, it's some, they're arguing over semantics and Broadway is kind of like, hey, I'll apologize for being, doing my part, but like, apologize for doing yours. And Heather's just like, no.
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Heather went to like... Does Bronwyn deserve to be in our group or not? That's what she gave.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
No, it was a bad apology.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
But none of them are paying for it because it's a show. It's getting harder and harder to watch Brittany on this show.
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I kind of like her.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I mean, after Angie said that about Heather, I understand and see Heather for who she is so clearly. She can't get out of high school. She's still in high school and she operates just like a clique in high school operates and she initiates new people into this group.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
and admit that you have sacrificed your relationship with your three kids for a person who over and over and over again is so clearly clear about how they think about you and treat you, and you continue to give that person more of a priority and attention than your own children, it's like that is a choice. And it's hard to defend that choice.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
And also, it's just like what's interesting about Britney's narrative is like she talks as if she's never found love. And I don't doubt that, like, clearly she's single now and whatever age that she's at. So clearly she hasn't found the love that's like never failed. That's, you know, which we all of us only get one of those. But like she has three kids.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
And it's just like, I guess my point is, like, sometimes we always talk about on the show, like your life is just a matter of your own perspective and how you look at it. And Brittany has this kind of like, I've never found, like she centers her love above everything in her life, even her own children. Right. And which is kind of crazy. Like Natalie's mom is very open.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
She wants to go on the bachelorette. Natalie's mom also like has had,
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
some tough luck when it comes relationships and love throughout her life like she is currently single she hasn't found that relationship that has never failed but like nally's mom makes it very clear who comes first in her life and that is her kids and hers you know and it's like her her grandkid and things like that and yeah she still wants to find love and she still goes out and she still pries it prioritizes herself at times but the way britney does it is is you know
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
It's, it's hard to defend. It's, it's, it's, it gives, I'm sorry. Like you can judge someone for their parenting choices. Like you're, you're not a good parent. Just be, you know, like, and I think sometimes, especially the people who have a lot of money, you know, who are very good at like being sometimes self-centered and centering their needs above anyone else's.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I don't think James Van Der Peek has to apologize for that. think he has to either i think he probably felt like you know no i hear you there but i i hope that no one in his family made him feel like they were frustrated with him because like i mean this is obviously a very sensitive issue but like this happens all the time where it's just like
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
And sometimes we just like, what do we do to win back affection of our kids or loved ones? We give them what they want or we buy them trips and we throw money or gifts at them and things like that. And that's not always good parenting, you know? And again, I'm just using Brittany's words of admitting that she has sacrificed her relationship with her kids for a man, a man who continues to do that.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
And at some point, it is on you, the parent, to have to look in the mirror and question your choices. and your relationship with your kids. I don't know how else to look at it. Like, I know it might sound harsh, but fuck.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Well, Brittany cares way too much about the appearance of things and the story.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
But just know that we have Ashley from Love is Blind tomorrow for a minute. Just an electric episode of Going Deeper. We obviously will get into the reunion later this episode. We have Ramses joining us today as well, which hopefully we get some answers there, too, because, again, we... Boy, Nick and Vanessa really just... Doing their thing at the reunions.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I wish we knew more about Brittany's background.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
She's also a great non-Mormon, so give her the pass.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Well, Brittany and Jen, very similar. Jen from OC.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
And which I also forgot. And we'll get into it with Emily. She's coming up next. I forgot. I would just like Salt Lake City where I'm watching this episode in the middle of this episode of Salt Lake City. I'm like, I can't find a flannel bra when and then shit over the floor. Like, Jen, I'm watching it. We've been highly critical of Ryan. And, you know, it's just like he seems very shady.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
And I'm halfway through. I'm thinking to myself, you know what? Fuck it. Man, if Jen's happy, let her be happy kind of thing. But I kind of forgot the backstory of Jen and Ryan, how she, like, blew up her entire family.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
and and left her marriage and her kids for this guy who had a reputation of sleeping with married women and then the finale of oc ends with the arrest um i met someone this weekend and he looked like ryan and i was like like what are you hiding i just like yeah it's just like it's it's you you're making choices in adult life they want to welcome love but they're like choosing the wrong love
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
We didn't go down the list of every person we knew when we got engaged to make sure that we let them know before we posted about it. But sometimes people feel a certain way about that. It always reminds me how self-centered people are when they make your day about themselves.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Well, you know, we all like, yeah, we all want love. But again, like sometimes when you get so obsessed with how things aren't working out for you, you alienate some of the people that you should be protecting and closest to you. And it's just like.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Everybody's in real estate.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
i think with like jen and britney again we've all been them but we were 21 you know and then we or 25 or 20 you know or at some point we learned at some point in life even if we made the same mistake over and over a few times we learned and here you have britney and jen in their 50s making these mistakes that are like again don't just affect them i
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I just think if you were raised to always prioritize others before you, specifically when it comes to Britney, you don't openly admit how you lost your relationship with your own kids for a fuckboy.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I'm not checking with my entire circle of influence or my friends to make sure you're good on my day, whatever my day is or my moment.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
That's been implied on Salt Lake City.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Yeah. But again, like Brittany, how Mormon are you? Are you drink? You're not. You don't drink. I mean, again, I get it. But at some point you can't blame your religion or your parents or your upbringing. At some point you have to just like look in the mirror and say, what kind of person do I want to be? And you can use excuses of how you were raised or religion you were brought up in.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Or you can just like, you know, again, because Brittany Clinton knows better. You know what I'm saying? If you can admit to have lost touch with your kids over a man, then you know better.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I mean, she would be easier root for if she like starts making healthier choices, you know, because you want to see like, again, Jen, you want to root for, you know, but yeah, When you are reminded of their choices, it is, I don't know, for me, it's tough to get behind. Let's bring in Emily, who's going to walk us through some of these legal things going on with Ryan.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
How's it going? It's good. It's busy, but it's good. Well, we were watching the finale of OC last night, and obviously they picked up the cameras back up because Ryan's friend got arrested, and it was this whole thing, and I'm like, I need to call Emily. We need to get her on the show because obviously... There's just a lot of speculation going on with Ryan, his friend here.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
And there was this hot Mike moment of him joking, not so joking about having a money launderer, which I thought to myself, is that like, did he just admit to a crime right there? Because isn't just isn't that illegal? Like laundering in general? I don't know. I had a lot of questions. So I was like, we got to get our legal expert, Emily Baker, on the show to get her insight on.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
How are you doing, Emily?
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Well, we love that you did that and we appreciate it. So what did you find?
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
All your friends thought in that moment, like their feelings were more important than your engagement.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I was like, no, I'm sure you did.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Is it possible that Ryan could be guilty of being linked to his friend and being involved in his friend's nefarious activities? And then the feds is deciding he's not big enough of a fish to involve? Or if he's guilty, they would definitely follow through with charges? What assumptions can we make?
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
But like him having, like you said, but him having an immunity deal means that like he's guilty of something, right?
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
What does she know or not know? I don't think anyone thinks that she's involved, but it's more like how in denial has Jen been about her partner? And I'm curious, in your extensive experience, I'm assuming you've dealt with a lot of spouses, some of which may have been connected with their criminal partner and some who are just kind of Like, just completely in the blind and had no idea.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
But just as a fan and as someone who has an expert opinion on this type of topic, like, how do you read this situation with Jen? And does it remind you of situations you've seen in the past in your career?
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
That was a giant fucking engagement ring.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I'm always so shocked by people's, I don't know, their brazenness. But I'm curious.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Yeah, the hubris, right? Because here is this guy, Ryan, who really looks like what we're seeing is surrounding himself with
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
shady people maybe does some shady things on his own but like doesn't make much sense to go on to to marry a housewife and be so public about your life in a way and show your wealth and show your opulence if it is earned in a shady way that might put a spotlight from the government what is your read is this because like criminals just kind of are cocky in that way.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
How?
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
can't why isn't that that illegal which like why is it to some degree it has become yeah it's like why doesn't tabloids have to follow the same like hippo laws that like i mean i know they're not doctors they're not taking the oath but like people's medical information shouldn't be like so freely passed around well i think with the tabloid it's already passed hippo i think hippo really only like no yeah i don't think it's going to be a hippo thing but it just seems wrong that you people should are allowed to just talk about people's health so free like media outlets yeah
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I'm just kind of shocked that the people trying to hide something would do a better job of hiding things.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
For him to joke about having a money launderer is like on camera, like the hubris that requires. And you make a good point, Emily.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
It's just like the internet is so noisy that as a public figure, they will look into things and make things up that are completely false, let alone like if you're actually doing something and then you're flaunting your life for people to like ask questions is crazy behavior. It is wild. It's wild to me.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Well, Ryan has either threatened or is actually suing Tamara. And I know anyone can sue anyone for anything, so to speak. But I guess, can I throw that back to you, Emily? It's just like, if Ryan clearly is involved, has an immunity deal, I know he can sue, I guess, Tamara for saying anything. But what is Tamara saying that is...
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
wrong I'm curious is like how do you see it in terms of you know Tamara's wrong about a lot of things this season but when it comes to to Ryan she actually seems to be right and I can't I'm curious like what is her liability in this lawsuit if if if Ryan follows through with it
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Well, I promise you, he had no idea about that hot mic money launderer comment. Like, I guarantee you, Jen and Ryan. learned about that comment when we all did because they certainly didn't remind him of it. You know, they were saving that. They didn't give him the heads up for sure. And I'm really curious about the conversations him and Jen are having behind closed doors today or this week.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I will say it does make me think a little bit less of Jen, who, again, Tamara's annoyed us all this season. We've spoken about it, her behavior as a housewife, but she is operating in the context of her job. She may be messy, we can debate that, but she is doing her job. For Ryan to threaten a suit and for Jen to back her man the way she did publicly, knowing that Ryan might be
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
very guilty for all these things it feels wrong and dirty you know it's one thing to be messy on a reality tv show where you're hired to be messy but for jen to again just blindly support this guy because she's so afraid to admit that she made a terrible decision to blow her life up for her own like love story she said that this episode she was like i fucked everything up
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Yeah, but then now she seems to be backtracking because they announced that she's following through with the wedding. Again, a few weeks ago, she's been very much having her man's back, having Ryan's back, basically saying, Tamara, you're going to pay for this kind of thing.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
So wait, I was just thinking about that. So the fact that Jen is not married to Ryan makes it even more crazy that she's thinking about marrying this man because once she marries him, the IRS does not care about you not knowing or playing ignorant, right? You're still guilty. If the documents are signed...
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Couldn't the government or IRS, whoever, might be going after Ryan and then potentially Jen? Let's say Jen moves forward with this marriage, right? And she's just love blinders on. She just wants to ride for her man. The fact that we're discussing Ryan's involvement so much, doesn't that make Jen... look like she must have known something. Couldn't they use that against her?
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Because it's one thing to go about your life and no one's asking you questions and you never thought to ask the questions. And you're just like, I don't know, we just had money and I just trusted that my partner was being honest. But this is coming up so much. And then for Jen to then marry the guy, she looks a lot more complicit than, say, someone who just, no one's ever asked them a question.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
They never thought about it. It is hard to look at this situation especially if Jen moves forward with this wedding, to think that she knew nothing was going on, right?
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Well, that's a good point because when I said they probably learned about the hot mic moment with Ryan this week, and that's probably not true. She learned about it probably before she filmed the reunion because obviously I'm sure they were all... They picked up cameras too. They picked up cameras. But they were probably shown, I'm assuming most of the finale before they filmed the reunion. Yeah.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
So I'm guessing they would address that. But yeah, it would be really interesting what is discussed at the wedding. It's also interesting whether the show would give Jen good advice or not, depending on what they wanted their character to get involved. Well, to Emily's point, people want her back.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
The show wants the show. No, I know. But it's like, you would think someone would be like, hey, talk to a lawyer on your own, you know?
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Their job is to just be there and film and be the lubricant between scenes.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
So like a cease and desist is just like a legal warning.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
But if you were left wanting more, that's why we are here. So while who knows what's going on with the election, who knows? I mean, when we're going to find out, God knows what. But just know we are here for you to keep your mind off the chaos.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I'm just shocked that other celebrity names haven't... There's always speculation, but that just seems like wild internet speculation. But it's clear that Diddy has been involved with other celebrities. We've seen a ton of photos being leaked about some of these parties.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I want to see these other names.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Yeah, there's these J-Lo's photos. One more question, different case, the Menendez brothers. Do you think they will get out of prison? I know the L.A. district attorney mentioned that he favored a resentencing. What does that all mean? Is it going to come down to the court of public opinion when it's all said and done in terms of the motivation of the judge or the D.A.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
of granting a resentencing or things like that? Are they just going to basically go on what they think public sentiment is leaning more in favor of?
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
This is all very interesting stuff, Emily, and we really appreciate you taking the time. Can you please let my audience know where they can follow you, watch your show, all that fun stuff that you're putting out there?
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Amazing. Well, we appreciate you. Can't wait to talk to you again, Emily. Bye. Talk to you soon.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Bye-bye. Bye, everybody. Great stuff. Final thoughts on OC? I guess we'll have a reunion. Is the reunion next week? It's next week, yeah. Or this week. Three parts, I'm guessing.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
We don't know. Is Jen going to be... This will be the last topic discussed on the season, right?
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I mean, for all the criticism we've leveled against Tamara, I still want her on my TV screen.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I do not want her off.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
If she's going to learn how to be a better person, I at least want to watch it.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Well, we respect you listening and we will be back tomorrow. So no matter what is happening with the election, whether we have news or not, just know that if you need to break away from reality, we are here to give you the tea. And there is a lot to be discussed with Ashley and Tyler's relationship. Ashley brings all the receipts. She goes in great detail.
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The conversation she's had with her now husband, Tyler and the baby mama.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
it's an episode you will not want to miss i promise you that we are also back on thursday jackie tone from your favorite hit netflix show nobody wants us is with us on thursday's reality recap plus uh will we get into roni with some bachelorette and uh whatever else is going on in your headlines we will be sure to cover it on thursday we'll see you then bye
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Are you feeling unsatisfied at home?
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Yeah. No puns.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
She could have come. She could have came. But we've been obviously traveling so much. We've been going and going and going. And I am representing the family.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yeah. We have an amazing episode lined up for you. The one and only, truly one and only, Carolyn from Traders is with us, as well as Taylor Green from Southern Charm. They are both with us this episode. It's wild, wacky, and fun. Carolyn, wild stuff. So we recorded the Carolyn bit last week.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
We did go out of town and basically last week at some time, the day we were leaving town, a member of the household here, Zach, has some connections with the Survivor franchise. Carolyn famously has been part of that franchise. And so we were there some back and forth. We're trying to get Carolyn on. She wasn't like in the right space at that point to do the interview.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And then like the day of when we were flying out, Carolyn was flying to LA. And then we found out that Carolyn decided that she wanted to come on the show. And there was like a 10 minute window between like when I had to go to the airport and when Carolyn was like a, you know, We had Zach go pick her up at the airport and try to get her in. So that's later this episode.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I had like 10 minutes to talk with Carolyn and then Justin and Sierra graciously finished that interview. So that is later this episode. She is, she's something.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I can see why she did very well, because you really don't know if she's doing a bit or... What's going to come out of her mouth next. Or what's going to come out of her mouth next. She really keeps you on your toes. It's a wild and wacky, fun interview. And again, we have Taylor on. Speaking of thinking it was a bit...
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
it's come to our attention a couple weeks ago we pointed out that we were surprised you know obviously you guys know where we land in the Justin and Blake situation yada yada and a lot of like big names people have like haven't really most people just haven't spoken up about it but like a lot of like the bigger names in Hollywood haven't but like Whitney Cummings was someone who
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
It's like, it didn't even award show anymore. I mean, Nikki brought it back in the best possible way, so.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I thought was Team Justin because I saw something on X of her saying that Blake and Ryan were the most obnoxious people in Hollywood. It's come to my attention by people close to the situation.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Sources say that apparently she is Team Blake and not Team Justin. And that the video that I saw, I guess, was a bit. I don't know. Didn't seem like a bit to me, but art is subjective.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
But good to know that Whitney Cummings is on Team Blake. So we were wrong.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
We have one other person on our side. So that's good to know. I harshly said that Whitney would be embarrassed when she realizes, you know, what the truth, well, what I think is the truth. But it turns out she already is. So our bad. Our bad. My bad.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Do you want to say why? Um, Do you have a reason?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Moving on. Anyways, Whitney, I personally am sorry for not realizing it was a bit and glad to have at least one other person on our side.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick. And I'm really pissed that Demi Moore didn't win an Oscar. I felt like, you know, here's the thing about Oscars. Like, I get it. Like, they're like a one-off situation.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I mean, listen, before YouTube, though, like child actors, we've all heard all the horrific stories about Hollywood and child actors. And obviously there's a lot of bad actors in Hollywood in terms of people who parents, good parents, thought their kids were safe and they weren't.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
But there's also like a lot of parents out there who like thrust their kids into this space, pushed them into it and kind of were like, you know, dance moms.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yeah.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Is this the people at the economy trying to be different?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Also, to be clear, like this this story, I mean, her abuse was far beyond making her kids like record something they weren't in the mood to record. It was like real terror, terrible, horrific abuse.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Literally have never heard of the movie.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I hear you, and I'm sure he has regrets, and I hope at a minimum he has regrets, but how do you... He's weak.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
That's a weak person. And like, yeah, we all have regrets. And there's a lot of moments in our lives where we like reflect back and go, I could have said something. I should have stood up. I could have, I don't know, your own kids.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Your kids. Are you fucking, I mean.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
What is with hot, you know, I've seen this before with super hot people. Friend, Dean Uglert. Also, you may know him, another very beautiful man. Sometimes you just look at Dean and go, wow, God really took more time on you. And I think Dean was, is, was, I don't know. I haven't seen Dean in person in a while. So hot that like, he would be like, I don't shower much.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And I don't know if it was like, are you like, are you trying to like be a little more grimy because you're so pretty or...
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
There wasn't.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Who doesn't want to shower?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
First of all, there's a couple of flaws in that statement. He's opting for chlorine on his body. Then soap is if soap is some sort of like unnecessary product to put on his skin.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Like that's the go to. Is he also is he using soap in the pool or is it again just he's relying on the chemicals? And like, what is so inconvenient about a hot, steamy, warm shower? No one's expecting you to go in there for 20 or 30 minutes. It's like rinse the fuck off and rub like, you know, pit pit groin.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I guess if you both sign off of it, you're both like, hey, listen.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Have Dylan and Rob from Love Island gotten together?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
have Dylan and Rob from oh no I feel like I thought you were talking about Boston Rob for a second very beautiful people catching snakes you know really outdoorsy boys like love to get in the mud you know like 100% that's what I said Dylan needs like a girl that wants to like hike 10 miles to get proposed to that could never so pretty but ironically don't like showers I just got the pool
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Because people are stupid. Because there's more than just one actor who made that movie. That's just one person who...
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Why do they rearrange?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
So like the, you know, cause the part where she goes up to his door and he's like, no camera. And he was like, wait, I have a girlfriend. She feels like the editing made it seem like she knew that. And she's like showing up to his hotel room in the middle of the night for like a. And that's the story that she told us where she was like straddling him being like,
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
JJ's the worst.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
He's so shmarmy.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I don't even know what the definition is, but he is it.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
No, no, no. Editors, especially since they rearranged scenes, obviously, what's the reason why? They have to tell a story.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
That's what she's saying. That happens all the time in reality TV. And sometimes they're not even that serious. Like, on Special Forces, when I was there, like, they rearranged, like, when I got hypothermia and when I didn't. And me personally, I was like, oh, that doesn't make sense. The viewer doesn't give a shit. But, like, that was more like Bodhi's episode.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
i thought it was the director now no it was just it was best song there's a lot of criticisms about amelia perez outside of the carla sofia gascon oh of it all there's my only criticism is really like i just want to start hearing of more movies that are actually talked about at the oscars as opposed to like we know about wicked it does feel like it's the same like three movies that just like keep winning and keep talking about it and keep
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And I think just storytelling around Bodhi and him going home.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
yeah but for someone working in editing they don't go fuck like it's it's all they're just editing what I'm saying they're telling a story it wasn't JT's fault this specific instance she's like they painted it in a way that storyline then said I was a homer I think JT seems to be have a little bit more pull and like the fact that he said no cameras I'm just saying it's not impossible that like he got his way and Benita didn't like why did they do that what was his way just not having cameras in the room
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
making it seem like, you know, Vanita is like telling this version of the story that he kind of hid the fact that he had a girlfriend from her and like leaned into this friendship slash like situationship. Are they, aren't they going to, is something going to happen? Like she had no idea. And then all of a sudden, like she shows up on camera and,
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
if you know he has a girlfriend he's like immediately like oh shit clearly it gave to me he's been like doing shit with venita like in a certain way telling one version to his girlfriend telling another version of producers in venita and like when she showed up like that like yeah they if this is how it was edited it paints her in a shitty light where then he can go back to his girlfriend and been like all right fuck she just showed up my fucking door you know
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I mean, I don't know about the analogy, but it's just more like you're kryptonite. You can't beat this person in this particular match. I understand. Dorit's going through a divorce. She kind of is like, you know, what's a common phrase? Like, don't pick a fight with someone who has nothing to lose.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And Dorit is giving like, I don't give a fuck anymore. My life's crumbling around me. My relationships are all in flux. Fuck it. Playing nice and trying to be everyone's friend only got her bullied from her cast. So if you're Dorit, who gives a fuck? And when Dorit says things like, if I go down a higher level, I'll eviscerate her.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
you know, but Dorit like believes in that because Dorit absolutely thinks Sutton has a drinking problem. And like, listen, I'm not an expert, but when Sutton goes on podcasts and start talking about like her, like waking up at 10 and then like drinking throughout the day, every day, like, I don't know, that's giving, you know,
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
high consumption and like yeah like she probably could go pretty fucking low and i'm guessing if she does often show up and inebriated there maybe have been moments that like quite honestly didn't make the cutting room floor and things like that and i bet like dorit is is fully like stocked up on like insults she has chosen not to share you know and i think it's one of those things where like sutton doesn't recognize her problem doesn't see her problem and clearly it's a very triggering topic for her and
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And it seems like Sutton, Garcelle, and some of these other women on her cast just have been so used to getting away with like punching down Dorit.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yeah. That's very Hannibal Lecter. I think there's a difference between housewives bickering in a way, which we love. We're really getting into the season. I think this season really is delivered. We're getting into some real personal shit that is triggering for these ladies. And it just seems like, again, Dorit's life is being exposed. We're talking about a divorce.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
We're speculating on what PK is doing. It's a major storyline of the season. And Sutton refuses anything.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
to even suggest anything about her you know what I'm saying like the rules for Sutton don't fucking go there don't do that meanwhile Dorit's life is on full display Dorit has nothing to lose so I get it makes a lot of sense it's kind of like keep picking a fight with this person who really doesn't give a fuck and yeah she's poking the bear she's poking the bear but like I don't know
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
It's even the more obscure, you know, it's just like, I don't know, Adrian Brody won another Oscar for essentially playing the same role that he won an Oscar for 20 years ago. And in between the 20 years, we've only seen him in some random cameos. He's had a very interesting career. He was in Succession. Yeah, he had a bit in Succession.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Dorit's in her house with the gals over talking about her son, like, you know, asking if her and dad are going to get a divorce. And whether it was a producer or Sutton came up with it on her own, Sutton like dismissed her and like didn't give a fuck. And like when Sutton is dismissive, she can be incredibly dismissive. And then she puts her down about her like finances and things like that.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
But of course they would ask Sutton instead of asking Bose, you know, to like... But yeah, but if that's the case, Sutton could easily just be like, hey, listen, I'm really sorry about that. She did that. No.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
That's not a... No, that's a dismissive, I'm sorry, fuck you, you don't matter. It wasn't like that. Hey, listen, I know what divorce is like. I mean, I don't know. Sutton seems like she's loved divorce. She...
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
She does. Yeah. There's a lot of people who think they're better than other people, and sometimes they are. But Sutton's I'm better than you. A lot of it seems to come from her wealth. And her wealth doesn't come from her. And I think it's just a bit eye-rolly when your biggest flex is something that you married into.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And then when you put people down for not being in that position, it's just kind of... Okay. Okay.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
It's interesting because like Garcelle, like, you know, really close with Sutton Garcelle. I mean, you know, it's just a level of privilege with all these women. But like, you know, Garcelle has busted her ass, really worked up, built her aura.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
own empire really worked for this beach house which is beautiful and obviously I'm sure very expensive but like it sure seems like Garcelle has to hustle in a way that Sutton doesn't and I would be it would be interesting to see I'm curious how Garcelle felt about that comment knowing that like she has to like hustle in ways that like Sutton the way Sutton spoke you it would almost it was a shot at anyone I feel like I guess what I'm saying is Garcelle's financial situation might be more in line with Dorit's rather than Sutton's
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
which is which is like probably like super privileged but maybe not like making a half a million dollars a month carcel hates to read too so i'm sure she was like touche yeah i think she hates to read but she could hate to read and still feel like a certain way about like son's comments sometimes your friends say something and like it's not meant towards you but you're like what do they think about me then
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
He had a role as a bad guy in one of the seasons of Peaky Blinders. You know? It's like,
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Love is Blind. I stand by it.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I know. What do you... No.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I think... Don't switch up now. I'm not switching up. Two things can be true at the same time. I don't think Lauren did anything wrong, to be clear. I don't. I don't think she did anything wrong in the court of like, I don't know. She had a right to do whatever she wants. I do think also Dave scapegoated this situation in some ways. I think Dave scapegoated his family.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I think he constantly blamed it on his sister. My sister this, my friends this, my sister this. When like a lot of times he was, there were times where he was like kind of trying to tell Lauren the truth. You know, there was a time where he went to Lauren and said, well, if my family really wanted to come, they would show up for me.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And then all of a sudden it was like, but like, they don't want to come. So like, okay, Dave, like clearly you told them not to come. Mm-hmm. I just think, like, again, like, when you find out, like, Lauren finally admitted that she, like, had sex with this guy, like, a week before. Two weeks. Two weeks, a week, whatever. It doesn't matter.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I don't care if you're a man or a woman, gay, straight, non-binary, trans. It doesn't matter. Like, I just think there's a difference between sex positivity and, like, fact that, like, sex has consequences. And you can pretend they don't have consequences all you want. But, like, all people... feel a certain way about sex and it fucks with your feelings.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And I think this is a classic case of just because your feelings got hurt doesn't mean the other person did anything wrong. I think Lauren feels judged. I think she feels hurt by the situation. But listen, I think if anyone showed up for this this crazy experience. And keep in mind, these people are getting engaged and then they get married. And yes, they know what they signed up for.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
But for any two people to join this experiment and end up in marriage, everything has to line up. Everything has to work out. You really are taking a huge leap of faith. And even when you say, I do, you know very little about someone. So like, Whether she did anything wrong or not, him finding this out is something that is going to really potentially rattle his cages.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I wish he would just own it, say it with his chest and just be like, listen, I don't know. Like, I just wasn't expecting this. And like, I can't get, I can't say I do. with this information.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
It sounds very Adrian Brody.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
He's very serious about himself.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
No, but, like, the reason, like, I think if you, like, using our, like, our ethnic language, but, like, it takes time to build an emotional connection. Like, couples who, like, get through shit or, like, adversity of any kind, it's because there's a foundation. There's, like, a rapport there. These people don't have any of that, right? They don't have a foundation of trust.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
They haven't been through anything together. So, like, she, Lauren did what she did. She had the right to do whatever she wanted, but, like, you know, but that's the point is this other guy, maybe he's a, you know, a clout chaser, say whatever you want about him. But like, clearly he felt a certain way about Lauren.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And when she got out of the bubble, like reached out to her being like, Hey, are you with someone? Are you not someone? He wanted to keep it going. He liked her. He, He felt a certain way about her. So for her to be like, it's meaningless, it's nothing, maybe to her, but she got herself. She made choices. She got herself in a situation.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Sex has consequences, whether you like it or not, whether you're positive about sex or not. It affects people's feelings. And he handled it poorly. And I think he's kind of a weak sauce for blaming his sister and blaming his family. But I still... don't fault him for like not being able to just dismiss all his friends or like, and yeah, I think he was weak about it,
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
She caught it.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
He threw it.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
But like marriage, I think it would be foolish for anyone in his shoes to say I do to someone who is like, oh, yeah, by the way, I did have a hookup after they got engaged to like details of the story came out after his friends brought this up.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Like, again, this is not like he didn't want to marry her. Like, that's not a crime.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Fine. But like, I think for anyone to act like and again, I don't care if it's a man woman. I don't care about your sexuality. Like people hooking up like people have a certain feeling about it. It's a it's a it's one of the most intimate connections two people can have.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
How would you feel about it?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Listen, I'm not saying, like, Dave is right. I'm just saying my feelings about Lauren's choices, like...
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And that's just because it's Dave or because you don't think there's any way that if you guys, well, if he really loved her, he would marry her. It's just like he barely knows her.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
You're right. You have that. That is if he really liked her and like this was fucking him up and he was like, listen, I just can't marry you in two weeks with this going in my head. But I do really like you. And like, I don't really care about the sex. It's just like this really, I don't know, threw me off because it wasn't what I. Yes, he didn't do that. He did not handle it well at all.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I don't remember that moment. Can we bring it up? But regardless, I'm assuming Adrienne wasn't dating the same person. What? So like if, let's say 10 years ago, I'm in a different relationship. And then, I don't know, was Holly Berry married then?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I think I'm making this point just because it's like clearly we're looking at these genders. And I think if it was flipped around, it would be like you remember you. You don't. But I don't know. Did you watch Hannah Brown season?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
You remember Jed?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
At the end of the season. And he had like the girlfriend and the girl waiting by the decks. And I don't know if they were hooking up or not. But like his version is it wasn't that serious. And her version was. It was, it was exactly the same flipped around and Bachelor Nation crucified him, lost their shit. How dare him? How dare he have some blah, blah, blah, this thing.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And he was just like, he had this girl, he was hooked. I don't know what was going on. Now she's married to Hannah Brown's brother. So I forget about that as the best part, but like there was some sort of history going on there. And like he went on a show, forgot she existed. You know, when you're in the outside world, she's like, I guess in six weeks.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And then like he found himself engaged in a relationship kind of unexpected, didn't handle it that well. And then like was crucified for it. And now like now it's the exact same situation, but reversed, different show. And like all I'm saying, it's like you either have a problem with it or you don't.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
So you didn't have a problem with Jed?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Oh, that was part... The blonde guy.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
He was the ultimate villain.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
But at the time, you thought Jed was being treated unfairly?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yes, that was a much bigger storyline.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
That's a completely different situation. Okay. That was like you have to wait before marriage.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
This is not like debating the semantics of a hookup partner and then going on a love competition show. And that's all... That's what this conversation is about and that's what the whole Jed and Hannah...
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
situation was the idea it's just like I don't know he probably didn't expect to fall in love with Hannah maybe didn't even expect to get cast on the show and was foolish and like sloppy with the fact that he was hanging out with this girl and trying to have his cake and eat it too and like enjoying who this girl's company and then went on a show and
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
and didn't know what the show, like when I went on the show the first time when I was at work and everyone's like, are you gonna fall in love? And I rolled my eyes like, of course not. I'm just doing a show. And then like, obviously I got caught up in the whole moment. Like it's a bizarre, crazy fucking world. And I don't expect, I didn't think Lauren expected to fall in love.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And I don't know what Dave expected either. And I don't fault Lauren. I'm just saying like, listen, she could have been a little more careful and she could have been a little bit more prepared to like go on a show that she watched as a fan and saw all the other storylines and things like that. And she didn't and whatever, that's fine. No big deal. But like, Again, it has consequences.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
So like, let's say if I were single, if I were single 10 years ago, and then my co-star, I don't know what this, let's say I kissed someone.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And like the fact that we know what Dave thinks and know, you know, it's just because he handled it poorly. I just think, yeah.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Oh, he definitely was. It was very much like that.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
She is the most toxic person in the world.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
With the pink hair? Forget about the pink hair, whatever.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I thought the hair looked good. Yeah. Let's not shame people who want to get a little fun with their hair.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
She's dangerous. She's out there like not in throwing just below like serious accusations of like he's a piece of shit and blah, blah, blah. And like making a like throwing out accusations about like what he said about Mason, all because like she didn't get picked.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I guess apparently he kissed her at the Oscars.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
There's a lot of like nice fuck-bys you present as the good guys who aren't. I mean, no one's more like triggered by those types of people. But like, Alex is not that guy. Alex is literally just the... No, it's Dave.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Dave is the guy who thinks he's funny. He's not funny.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Mary, I know your dad's a pastor. Does he ever video it in?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Listen, your religion is your religion. I grew up Catholic. And listen, my religion has its flaws. We are aware of my religion's flaws. But like, you know, Justin grew up Catholic.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I went home to Savannah a couple years ago with Natalie, and it was like, I don't know, some baptism, I don't know, something. She took me to a service. It was a Christian, lovely people there. Very commercialized, yes. There was a band on stage, very much like this. Then there was a big screen, and then they pressed play.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And there was a sermon and I'm sorry, like, listen, maybe this is a Catholic in me, but like if, if my pastor is showing up in a hoodie and true religion jeans, and he's on a video screen, what can this man tell me about God that I don't already know? I'm not at church.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Like, no, my dad just go to a Starbucks and be like, what do you think about Jesus?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
But, like, sometimes it really feels like there should be some sort of, like, consideration for, like, the actor and their career.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
He couldn't even be there?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
that's hard yeah it's hard the young pastor couldn't even show up he's bringing his girlfriend to like his big thing you know like I'm a father of Christ that's true and it's like the big reveal was like the big reveal a guy in a hoodie on a TV screen when I saw that it truly sent a chill up my spine I will say I respect her though she's like you know what I'll be there like for the holidays for the special events but like you know I don't know if this is for me
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I'm not mocking your religion. I am mocking the people who are too fucking lazy to show up and look nice and talk about their Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. If you look like you just got a coupon from the Gap, I don't need you talking to me about... I like Gap.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
It was a sleepover.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I hated the prenup conversation between Devin and Virginia.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
No, he did, but it made it seem so dark and kind of icky about it. I don't have a problem with Virginia asking her at all. I wish... Listen, if you want to make a relationship of any kind work, especially a marriage, it's about... Now and I don't know what each other is going to do two years from now. Like one day I could wake up and just stop giving a shit.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
How pissed would you be if like 10 years ago, someone who I worked with in the past decided like they get dibs because like at one point 10 years ago, we did a bit.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I could stop like waking up every day and making like my wife and my kid and my family a top priority. People do that all the fucking time. And like to make a relationship work, it goes way further than just saying I do. And like we're saying a bunch of promises the day you get married.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
You like every day kind of have to almost internally renew your vows to yourself and your partner and show up for them. And a lot of people stop showing up. And like, if you have something to lose, especially marrying someone you don't really know, you have like Devin and like, I don't fault him because I get where he's coming from.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
But I wish it was articulated in a way that it's like, well, what am I supposed to say to my family when they ask? Like, no one plans to get divorced.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
you know, but like no one plans for their partner to like become a different person or lose interest or like have like a weird, like middle-aged kind of like a crisis or whatever, or like, you know, some past trauma from their life, like sneaks up on them that they haven't resolved. I don't fucking know. Yeah. But like,
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And 50 years ago, people literally didn't get divorced. You were like ostracized from your community if you got divorced. So you just like muscled through life, miserable and just had a secret life. Now you don't have to do that. So if you believe in divorce and I'm assuming Devin in Virginia, I don't mean believe because everyone's like, I'm never going to get divorced, but like,
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
But like, don't say it's not a possibility if like you're not like somehow legally not allowed to do it. You know, like clearly it's an option. It's not an option you want to consider. You want to do everything in your power to avoid that for sure. Of course.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
It only is invoked if if the unforeseeable happens. That is literally what it's all about. And the way that's framed is if like she's going into this planning on getting a divorce. No, she is doing this because she's like, if you fucking change, motherfucker, if you do some shit that I don't know about. What's last season, Ashley?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And it's also maybe arguably the most beautiful woman ever in the world.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
came in here and rode for her guy, her husband, and rode for him and all these other rumors out there about kids and we still don't even know the truth and she told everyone to shut the fuck up and I know my man and now all of a sudden they're getting fucking divorced. Mm-hmm.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And I don't know if there's a prenup, but, like, she trusts in someone that clearly she realized that maybe she shouldn't have trusted him as much as she should have. We want to believe in people, but, like, this whole idea that, like, it is, like, a negative for Virginia to ask for this when, like, she's a little bit more established than Devin. I don't know.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
She's the only one with a brain in this cast. That's what I'm saying.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Monica's sister like for like 30 seconds I was like oh she came around I was a little too harsh on her and I was like no she she still is so fucking bitter she absolutely hates this
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
She liked him.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
But then she's still passive digs.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
You think it'd be like a like a quiet ride home?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
It was better than the photo shoot that Daniel and Taylor had. That was brutal.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Who do we think is going to work out? Who says I do?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I don't think they do.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I do not think... I think if she does, she's leaving him in five years for someone taller.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yeah.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
This is all speculation. I have no clue.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I haven't heard anything in the pipeline about...
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I do too.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
So what are our final predictions? Who says yes then?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Sarah definitely. Sarah and Ben? Ben, they definitely don't.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
The sisters were preying on her downfall.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I have a hard time seeing Taylor and Daniel. I feel like she's going to say no.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Well, Taylor, welcome back.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Thanks for coming back.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I don't know. It does feel a little like, oh, okay, I guess.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
When we first started watching your show, I hope the rest of the cast is okay with me saying, I don't mean your show, but the show that you're on.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Later in the night, he throws her his gum.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
It wasn't like, hey, babe, like, you know, when your loving partner like sticks out their hand like this and says, babe, you need just a bit of your gum. It wasn't like that. He like fucking woman.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yeah.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
That is a weird thing to platform a rumor about yourself.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
How many?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Some version of like, you know, you know, when people like tell other, you know, people about you, you know, when, when Sally said to you about like, you're a bad friend, trust you. It's like, who are they? You know, when people bring up, they, there's like some like group of people who, you know, like everyone says that about you. You know what I'm saying?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Like, huh? Like, I fucking hate that.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Do you ever see SNL appearance? Where are you?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Where do you stand with JT? He's smarmy.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yeah, like, really doing Vanita dirty. Yeah.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Well, then why not now? I mean, in no disrespect to our winner.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Did you know he had a girlfriend?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I do have a little Oscar tea. Our babysitter, also an elite socialite, got to go to all the Oscar parties last night.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Like, if you were his girlfriend, how would you feel about his behavior?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Is this mysterious woman spoken out?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Well, JT seems like he's good at playing both sides. Yeah, he's good at that. So I'm sure he's giving...
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Or some versions.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
We're going to cross the line between just lying. I mean, what's the difference between embellishing the truth and making up a story? Like the gangbang accusation sounds like... Yeah, where did that start?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Is he doing stuff like that or is he embellishing the breakup?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
What's your take?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
She is our babysitter and also, like, besties with, like, you know, A-listers. Turns out, I guess there's also, like, an elite Hollywood party that people go to. I forgot his last name. She said his name's Guy or something. I don't know.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
What did you make of... Sorry for talking about her accent in front of everybody. But what did you make of Shep's behavior in the sense that it seemed a little out of pocket for him to kind of melt the way he did and act that way? Do you think a product of just a guy for the first time not getting what he wanted and the way that he wanted it and that he was...
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
No, it's not an actor.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
It's not an actor's name.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
more uncomfortable with that versus like, this is not the Shep that we seem to have gotten to know, this kind of like, kind of nothing serious, you know, whatever, everything's a joke, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. All of a sudden he's talking about freckles and like their love. And it's just like to the point where it's just like, whoa, you're getting a little creepy, Shep.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I've never heard this person's name. There may be, like, some, like, hot shot producer.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Do you think this experience, I mean, do you think it was real or do you think any part of it was him just like leaning in for the sake of the show?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And do you think this experience will teach him anything?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yes.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Oh, okay.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Listen, we all need vulnerable moments. We all need to feel embarrassed or be embarrassed, humbled at times. Sheps is on television. I'm not trying to like shit on him, but like that was a bad beat for him. Like he really was just like, oh, gosh, you know, like, yeah. But I'm just wondering if he will feel learned, you know.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
That's Guy Ritchie.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
No, I would have known Guy Ritchie. Maybe it's Guy Ritchie. She did not. She could have got his last name wrong. I don't know. There's a guy named Guy.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
What's the future of you being on the show look like? Because, you know, you mentioned you just kind of came back for the women. It feels like whatever you accomplished, maybe that job is done. Obviously with Shep being your ex, like clearly there is a challenge and rightfully so of like navigating being part of this group.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And then like, obviously, you know, like the ex storyline, but I'm guessing it's more of a thing than you wish it would be. Like, how do you see your future with the show?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
He throws cool Oscar parties and word on the street is Miles Teller. Excellent dancer.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I would say he has no redeeming qualities.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Miles Teller?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I was just a little uncomfy with the whole Joe conversation.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Was he? Oh my gosh.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Was he blacked out or is he not blacked out? And if he's blacked out, I'm like, what are we talking about here?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Well, there you go. Miles Teller strikes me as a guy who I feel like a lot of actors in Hollywood, generally theater kids, maybe it's a stereotype, but they grew into themselves in adult life and they really got cool after they became celebrities. And I feel like Miles Teller has a little bit of like, he was always a little cool.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Well, bullies might be a strong word, but I just feel like people in law school would like might tease. I can see it's competitive. Or also like, you know, being on a reality TV show, depending on who you ask, like is a door for people to criticize you. Absolutely. Depending on your community. Yeah, I think that's reality TV stars have, we have.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
We have leveled up in terms of our credibility, but I still think we're, you know, we're punching bags for people sometimes to like, oh my God.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Maybe the bully lawyers got him.
The Viall Files
E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I haven't seen it. Is it good?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
What else have you been doing in your life? Are you watching anything fun?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Okay, it's fun.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Then love right now. We've only watched two episodes.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Came out last night.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
You've got my sweatshirt on. I really like your sweatshirt. I love it. In terms of swag gifts that we get, it's a nice little oversized. I love that.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
He was in Divergent.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
It's not too thick. It's a nice medium sweat shirt.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Does he have a kielbasa?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Is he behind there slinging the dogs? Yeah.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
All right, calm down, internet. I wasn't like trying. I was just being weird. You were acting, in my opinion. Speaking of, it's a wild and dramatic episode, the one with Bella Thorne and Going Deeper last week. Also, this Friday, not Wednesday, we have a very special Going Deeper. A finalist of Traders will be with us. You will be very excited about who they are.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Wouldn't you prefer that it would be peanut butter?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
The substance.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
You'd rather have no peanut butter.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I'm not thinking you're like pausing me. Can I get some peanut butter? But like, I'm just saying if peanut butter was there.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Why did, why was there peanut butter? Is this a dare? Was it a dare?
The Viall Files
E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
That must get so annoying, though, even bringing up Shep. Just because in TV time, it feels like you guys just broke up. You've been dating someone else for a year and a half.
The Viall Files
E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
You haven't been dating Shep for two and a half years?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Are they really fighting?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I understand their name. What was it about, though?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
No.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And that will be this Friday following, directly following the finale and reunion of Traders this week. So change your schedule. We'll be with you on Friday. Reality Recap is Thursday, as always.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
So it's giving JT.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Wow.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
He just strikes me as the guy who you meet and he's like, I'll pick you up at the airport. And he kind of weasels himself into the friend group because he's kind of like, I'll do that. He does a bunch of favors. And you're like, yeah, he seems harmless enough. And then all of a sudden, you know, this guy who really doesn't belong starts fucking running his mouth and, you know.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Always be wary of the new friend you meet who starts offering you a bunch of favors.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
You're kind of hot.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Retweet. Are you watching Traitors at all?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
She ate last episode.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
We hope to have them back on. Anything else we want to plug or promote?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Taylor, it's great to see you. Thanks for coming back.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Always fun chatting with you. Wishing you the best of luck and maybe Southern Hospitality.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
What role do you play on that show? Because I don't feel like you're going to be working. No, not at all.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Taylor's so sweet. I don't know. I don't know. Why does she not? She always seems as a hard time fitting with her cast of Southern Charm.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
She really hates Sally.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
All right. It's Hometowns. It's Bachelor. You know what I realized? What did you realize? Because last week I thought I said they were like an episode. They cut one episode out. Was this the sixth episode of the season?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yeah, episode six. When I was on the show back in the day, like, Hometowns was week nine. They're cutting, they're three episodes shorter, which makes, I mean, it's like, how are we at Hometowns? How is Zoe at a hometown when she doesn't even have a date? But that's not Zoe's fault. Like, it's just like, that's the format of the show.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Like, it was like, all of a sudden, we started getting some drama with Carolina. And then, like, you know, that should have been a two-on-one. But, like, man, they really, like,
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I mean, they didn't spend any time together, you know? And she's introducing...
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
That is me most nights, by the way.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yeah, literally. Well, again, I mean, if they're going to cut out three episodes, don't take four people to hometowns. If you don't have enough episodes to tell at least four different stories of a relationship we should give a fuck about, maybe change the format. But week six...
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Guys, it's not about me.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And yet she didn't get eliminated. She's top three. And I called it right before it happened. I'm like, Dina's going home. He had to send her home. As soon as her family doesn't show up, she's gone. Yeah, you know, it's just like I really feel for Dina. And I say this as someone who also has 10 brothers and sisters like she does. She didn't specify religion, but I'm assuming she's Catholic.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
She referred to her dad being an ordained deacon, which if you're Catholic, that's like basically a deacon is like someone who's like super religious, devout, thought about being a priest. but still wanted a family and deacons can get married and have kids and they have certain like abilities at a, like a church service to, you know, give us a homily. That's like the sermon or whatever.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
They're not quite, they're not a priest. They can't like turn the bread and the wine into the body and the blood of Christ or whatever, the Eucharist. If you know, if you're Catholic, you know what I'm talking about. But like it's giving Catholic, you know, listen, I'm really disappointed in her parents. How old is she? She's like late 20s. She's a lawyer, right? She's a lawyer from Chicago.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Like, listen, like now and either way we look at it, we have 18 years. We have 18 years to raise our kids and teach them character and. and morals, and values, and lessons, and life. And then, you know, when they're adults, it's up to them to, like, live their lives.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And, like, obviously River isn't gonna, like, we don't expect or want River to, like, be a 20-year-old and, like, need our permission to do life. Like, I hope she asks for advice. I hope she, like, checks in with us. She'll do things that might disappoint us. We might not have chose for her, but that's part of life. And, like, you gotta show up for your kids, you know?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And, like, I get that her parents don't love this,
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
that she's doing this i i you know they don't have to love it to show up for your kid but the moment like you like you decided for your daughter to like ruin her experience because you know you didn't approve like i don't know it's just show up show up for your kid you don't have to like it show up for your kids you can even even when they even when you show up you can be you can be honest you can be you don't know what i'm saying show up and pretend to like it be be the
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
We love we love the parents on this show who don't act like fans and show up and like give a little like caution to their kids and the people and like are just real people. Be that version. Like, don't just like not like you.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
They left their kid on an island and like painted themselves and their family in a light of like, we don't if you if you don't do what we agree with, we're not going to support you. And like, just like, and like, I don't know, being super religious isn't like a, an excuse. Like, I don't know what it is. This is not, you're getting some religion to go on TV.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
No, but she like referenced, you know, my family's very conservative.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
But she showed up for a show. She went on the show. She's already on the show. So clearly they didn't love that. But again, she's not going to, as a almost 30-year-old. She's 31, yeah. As a 31-year-old woman, your kids aren't going to do exactly what you want them to do. You're going to abandon them? You're just going to not show up? You're just going to be like, nah, we're good?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
No one from her family? Like not even one of her siblings was like, I'll be there for her?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And he had to send her home, you know, because like, clearly like if your family is not going to like, they're, they're so against this. I mean, I, I wouldn't feel comfortable like proposing or moving forward with a relationship. Like she, she absolutely had to go.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I met Rachel Lindsay's dad off camera. He's a federal judge. Her whole family was there. I met her mom on camera. That's hugely different than her whole family just being like, no, we want nothing to do with her. And I did meet her dad and I had a real good conversation with him. As a federal judge, he wasn't comfortable being on camera, but that has to do with his job situation.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
and you know whatever that's all about but like he very much was there we were never filmed speaking he was not part of the show he wasn't on camera but you had a good conversation i had a great real conversation with him afterwards because like obviously he didn't know i wasn't gonna you know like he showed up for his daughter you know yeah so that could have happened in dina's situation
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yeah, I really fell for her.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
You know, I don't have to like the arts, not for me. I'm not a fan of body horror, but like I'm a huge fan of Demi and her career. And I think it's incredible story. And she is someone who like has taken a couple years off. She's been some things here and there. And for her to come out and be in the substance and like crush it.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
The fact that Zoe is in top three and like she has never really even had, I mean, this was her first one-on-one and it's like they have no chemistry.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yes, we know who his top two is, and I don't think Latia is his... Juliana's my number one. Yeah, she's the number one, right?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Juliana's a burner up.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I think the religion part is...
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Latia looks like, I said this to Natalie. First of all, what a great round of hometown dates. And just in terms of New York City, Chicago.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Wyoming, this beautiful landscape horseback ride. Massachusetts. Juliana's. Juliana's like, whatever. Massachusetts. Lovely family. Lovely family. Letia looks like a creature who just came out of the woods on a horse.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yeah. Not the creature. And I say that, no, I meant that in the best possible way. Like a mythical creature. A mystical, beautiful creature where you're just like, who did this thing come out of the...
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
She does.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
The fact that Hometowns is in week six and not week nine, budget cuts. Yeah. I think we've heard all this drama and turmoil going on internally at the Bachelor franchise. I don't know how Grant's season has been doing ratings-wise. I don't even know how to measure ratings these days with network television when it comes to who's watching it live versus streaming and yada yada.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
yada yada but clearly like it's not it's not performing what it used to how it used to perform they have more and more competition like every time a love competition show like Love is Blind or Love Island pops off like doesn't even matter if it's not being aired at the same time. It's just like you're losing out to some competition. Yeah.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
You know, it's just like with the... It's hard to watch Love Island and then come back to like the very vanilla format that is The Bachelor and like The Bachelor is... one of the most, I mean, between them and survivor, like no one will ever replicate what the bachelor franchise has done in terms of longevity and legacy.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Well, maybe.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And just, you know, there's, there's something about being a bachelorette or a bachelor that like supersedes, like just being one of many, you know, on love is blind or, or love Island or whatever. But like, they're just, they're not keeping up.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
They're just, they're not. And maybe the network part element of it all matters. It will be really interesting to see what paradise looks like this summer. do they make meaningful changes? Are those changes seen as cool, unique, different, something that's game-changing? Or does it look like a copycat version of other shows like Love Island that have worked?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yeah, but they're still limited to... The problem with this franchise... is um just like we've experienced with some of the ladies that we've interviewed there's like there clearly was this like wanting to become an influencer famous and like there's been a lot of very successful people from who've come out of bachelor nation and and have done very well for themselves and and
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
It made a meaningful, at least temporary career from what they've been able to do. And it's network television. It's very safe. It's very kind of vanilla. Everyone's very not wanting to ruffle feathers.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Villains are villainized for doing literally nothing on the show, you know, like interrupting whatever, you know, versus like the shit and drama we get from Love Island or, you know, even like the stakes of Love is Blind or whatever.
The Viall Files
E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
you know all the you know bravo just the way they get into it and you know compared to that like the bachelor franchise in general has like really like has had a hard time keeping up and so like will cast members go on to paradise and be good television or are they still going to be like very careful what they say and very careful what they do and not want to ruffle anyone's feathers because that's what it is now it's just everyone's just afraid to make tv and
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
in hopes that they're the, you know, cause that's how it used to be. Like if you were like the least problematic person who got the, like the, and who went the furthest, you would pop and you would become like this person with a big following and blah, blah, blah. But like the world's different now, you know?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I mean, I need something.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I need something different. I need some real fights. I need some real drama. Speaking of, so wait, I'm going to say Juliana is going to be my winner.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I think at the last minute, he really likes Letia.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Do you think he sleeps with anyone?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Speaking of double standards though, back to Hannah Brown's, like here you have Latia, also religious, less granted her delivery, much different than Luke Parker's back in the day. But nevertheless, the premise still is the same, which is if you sleep with someone else, I'm not going to pick you. I won't be here. Like you can have sex with someone else, but I will be leaving if you do.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Then she punched me.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And like that was different wording, but exactly what Luke Parker did. And he was the biggest villain in the world.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Maddie Pruitt. And, you know, where do you stand? Do you have a problem with Latia setting this boundary for Grant?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
We saw a very famous person. I'm not going to say who because I want to. It was very cool. It was cooler than Meg Ryan. It doesn't matter.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Luke Parker. Luke Pell is the guy who's going to be Bachelor overnight. Luke Partner is maybe the best villain of all time. It's what made...
The Viall Files
E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yeah.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
No, Luke Pell is the guy who should have been The Bachelor when I was The Bachelor, and then he was on JoJo's season. Okay. Luke Parker is the guy who was this amazing villain in Hannah Brown's season.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
He was a huge douchebag, and there's a lot of reasons to hate the guy.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And his whole, you know, his opening scene was like,
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
he was basically like i fucked a lot in college and then i like met jesus christ and all of a sudden like i'm not a douchebag anymore and then they don't listen they don't make television like that and it was like wait you don't cast them like that it's like you got all your fucking out of the way and now you're gonna tell hannah brown she can't have sex with people you know his delivery was terrible and he was he seemed like a worse type of guy but
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Either way, like his delivery was basically like he thought he was the winner. He thought he was like he was the front runner. She really liked him. And all of a sudden he was like, I'm not going to be comfortable with you having sex. And that is exactly what Latia is saying to Grant.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And this very famous person looked at our beautiful daughter and kind of went, hmm. And then we were at a restaurant that served both. It was a Sunday morning lunch. I don't know. Sunday lunch? We went and got lunch. And this particular place serves lunch. They also have a breakfast buffet of some sorts.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
You're making my love is blind point.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I'm just saying. But, like, I agree with you. But, like, welcome to 2025, where, like, sex is, like... I mean, we're just talking about sex, and people, like, are, like, no biggie when they're, like, do you want to fuck tonight?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I'm talking about just the conversation and how we as society approach sex. And Jesse is approaching sex just like, I guess, and in some ways similar to Lauren, which is like, hey, we're just fucking, we're just having some sex. And all of a sudden, and then Lexi's like, well, hey, hold on. Like, sure, maybe. I don't know. I fuck. It's only 25. Like, I'm cool.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
But, like, if we do, I want to set some, like, upfront expectations. And Jesse's like, whoa, hold on. Because Jesse's, like, assuming that we can all take our clothes off, exchange fluids, and, like, that's not a big fucking deal. But, like, if you want to start talking about feelings, holy shit.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And that's my whole point on love is one. But, um...
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I mean, that's the difference between if you're 6'5 and she thinks you're hot versus not.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Why does she need to support Kyle, period?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yes, it was a brunch buffet. It's a me thing. I don't know. This is like, maybe I'm alone here. And as someone who grew up in a large family, yes, we went to, are you guys familiar with Old Country Buffet?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
How do you get invited to a sex party? Who do you have to know?
The Viall Files
E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
But is it like a secret invite? Do you know anyone who's been to one?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yeah, but how do you, where does that conversation even start?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
You're not remotely curious? Not to go, but like, I just want to know how someone like got recruited.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Do you just like hang a pineapple outside of your door and hope for the best?
The Viall Files
E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Is anyone sad to see Tom Sandoval go other than me on Traders? It was a pretty good exit.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And his self-aware kind of sign off goodbye.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Well, you know what to expect from Tom. He's fine.
The Viall Files
E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Finally, Danielle had some competition.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
So a lot's going to happen. Yeah. Because like next episode, the last episode.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Well, you have Danielle out there on social media teasing that she's safe, like telling her fans not to worry. Now, I don't know if that's her just being a really shitty contestant who's spoiling it for the fans. It would have been amazing television for Britney to vote for Danielle. I hope Britney is amazing television.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I'm not familiar with, but I imagine it's very, it's the same thing. There was also like the Ponderosa buffet, just like buffets in general. Like we frequented them as children growing up. But like as an adult, I will say like one of the very few things I really appreciate and the privileges that I enjoy the most is the ability to like level up when it comes to like quality of food.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
We'll see. Well, we do have Carolyn up next to give us a little bit more insider tea and all the things that went down in the castle. It was a chaotic interview, obviously, with Carolyn coming in and then me having to leave 10 minutes later. But we were able to cross paths. I got to meet her in person. She, like we said at the top of the episode, is just a fascinating human being.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And you don't really know what to expect. But we got a chance to talk with her. Sierra and Justin finished the interview. And that is what you're about to hear next.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I don't care. It's fine.
The Viall Files
E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
The one guy everyone hates is me.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
We're so excited to talk with you, Carolyn. How are you? Carolyn just got in from LAX. I have to leave promptly for LAX. We're crossing paths in LA, but I had to stay behind at the risk of pissing off my entire family.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I've gotten that a lot too.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I got James Franco years ago. Lately, I've gotten Theo Vaughn. I used to get Ryan Reynolds, but I'll take any of them, you know? Yeah.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Great.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Well, I can talk to you for hours, but we only have like 10 minutes.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Talk your shit.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Mentors.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And I just like, I'm of the opinion, and maybe I'm alone, that if you like go to a restaurant that serves like individual meals and you can like order off the menu and just get like your own dinner, I don't know who in their right mind would opt for the community food that's been sitting out for hours and several, I don't know how many people have been scooping out of the same fucking food.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
It's the internet, Carolyn.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I stopped listening to the internet long time ago.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Here's all that matters. You were excellent television.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
We enjoyed watching you.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
by many people one of the most hated of all time why it doesn't matter because it's reality tv who cares if it's the bachelor you can you get you get shit on for like breathing the wrong way and then i just didn't give a fuck i've never really give the fuck in most of my life and i sense that's similar to you but like i just don't care you know absolutely but i i am like that's the thing i'm a very emotional person and i have so much empathy and so even if somebody like screws me over let me like have my minute to be like oh
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I'm just texting my wife. I'm not ignoring you.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Who is the most disingenuine person of the cast? Who is the most on camera on TV?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
She's polished, period.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
You don't have to whisper. Say it with your chest.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
But this A-list celebrity with, I can only imagine what their wealth may be, like opted. for the buffet. And I was really like, wow, they're really just like us. Not me, for sure. I was like, ew, disgusting. Oh my God, how could they?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
that's the game that's big brother that's other shit not the traitors is yeah I would definitely not even if like I was a faithful and someone asked me to swear on anyone anything of value if I was a faithful I just I'd be like no it's stupid it's like no like I wouldn't like I would be offended by that position
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I mean, that's a little nuts. I don't care that much. Like, I think I've been, obviously, I've become a fan of the show. I've watched it. Like, they've asked me to the show in the past. I haven't been able to make it work. I hope someday I'll have a chance to do it in the future. But, like, I wouldn't care that much. To swear on my...
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Like, I would care. I would try. I would have fun. I'd get into it. But like the moment someone's like, swear on your kids. I'm like, fuck off.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
You hated it.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I'm great. You had fun.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
It did happen out there.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I was like, oh my God, what are they doing?
The Viall Files
E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Did you shit your pants out there?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Traitor.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Maybe so, yes. I mean, again, this is my snobby side coming out, but who...
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
If you guys have more questions, ask Caroline. Thank you for making the time.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Caroline, it's been so much fun. Girl, my name's Caroline. Caroline, that's what I said.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I get bad with names.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
What am I saying, Caroline?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I'm saying Caroline.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
No one gets my last name right.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Great question.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
It's vial. People say vial. Vail.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I'm an idiot. What do you want me to say?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Maybe that's our problem.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Maybe we have a marketing problem with our show.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I started a podcast six years ago. Topher Grace gave me the idea of the name. I was like, cool, that rhymes. And then if I knew this show would be as big and successful as it was, I would have thought of something different.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Carolyn, did I get it right? Thanks for having me, Nick. I love you. I'm so sorry I have to go.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And I've heard nothing but amazing things from everyone who's seen the movie. And I just would have loved her to win.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
There's nothing gross to you about like just, you know, I don't know, mashed potatoes, half gone. Who knows how long it's been out there sitting under a lamp.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I guess, right? I mean, I really am alone. There's a whole, like, half the city is hot girls go to Air One and pay $30 for orange chicken.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
That's been sitting out there. I just find it to be fucking appalling and disgusting.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
It needs to be fresh and warm and hot. It needs to be like, I want it right out of whatever.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Whatever it's meant to be, that's what I want it to be. If it's meant to be ice cold, I want it fucking ice cold. Like, oh God, nothing worse than a shrimp cocktail. Thank you. That's a little like melted. Oh my God, I'll lose my fucking mind.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
That's what I saw a tweet saying to me, more losing to Mikey is basically the plot of substance.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
this is slimy I won't eat it this is not cold enough and they'll be like four uneaten shrimp with like one bite and they're like oh you don't like it no it's totally great like it's fine I won't send it back I won't like that's a me problem I recognize my my my Psychosis?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I was going to say peccadillos, but, like, whatever.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
It's a me problem. Yeah. I mean, like, I can't, I'm not so arrogant that I would expect an entire restaurant to, like, change how they do things. Okay. And I'm not a chef. I mean, I like to cook, but, like, who am I to be like, can I talk to the chef, please, and, like, critique their shrimp cocktail?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
yeah i will very gently and politely say like you know again i'm crazy and like i must not have asked for it um five times uh no but then i was like plain just lettuce please i'll always ask him not to spend on my food okay but i'm very gentle but like if it's just a how they did it i mean i guess it's like oh i guess i'll never come back You know?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I'll let you know on Wednesday.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Thank you guys for listening. Hope you enjoyed this episode. Thank you to our guests, Carolyn and Taylor, for joining us today. Don't forget, no going deeper tomorrow, but there is one this Friday. We'll have one of the finalists from the Traders on this Friday for an awesome going deeper. It'll be exactly the person you hope it will be. That's what I think. That's what I think.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Well, I'm flying. I have to fly to... First class? Oh, yes, babe. You had the ops. You had the ops.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Tell me I'm wrong on Friday. That's this Friday. And again, we're back on Thursday's Reality Recap. See you then. Bye.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
are you staying behind so this is exactly if i don't know he upgrades to first and i'm not i did not get upgraded that's i'm i'm you requested youtube's paying for me to fly to dc and teach people how to do the internet i guess hell yeah yeah congrats to teach people how to secure their own first class seats yeah get a deal with youtube or kids yeah sorry natalie no she could i she would she
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
That's the best money I've ever spent. It's like $19.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I hope... Freshly squeezed orange juice is... It should be the only orange juice available.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Thank you.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I don't think... No, it's... Oh, my God, no. It's not. Like... I go on missions around L.A. to find fressy squeezed orange juice.
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And tell me why that's bad.
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And where can I procure? I want to get into the juicing business.
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At the Lake House, which they broke ground finally today. Remodeling the Lake House. We have a live feed of it. Can't wait. I'm going to be squeezing so much freshly squeezed orange juice at that Lake House. Every day is going to just be- There will be a shortage of oranges around the nation.
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Oh, and they get chopped.
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I don't know. I haven't really done my full research.
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Yeah. There is the best. In zero turn long hours. In zero turn long hours.
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I just want the slush. You can just get the slushie.
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Okay. I always, for some reason, thought Miami was on the west side, but it's not.
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Anything cool happen?
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You've got Blue Ivy knowing every word. Where was Drake?
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So Kanye showed up with his naked wife and he, he wasn't invited. He just said, he showed up and said, let's, he wasn't kicked out. You're naked.
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Oh, so fake news.
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Oh, so he shut up for the red carpet and did not stay for the party.
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Have we heard her speak?
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I just, I mean, does she run hot?
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You know who's speaking in that family? Tristan Thompson.
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He is claiming apparently, which I found to be odd and maybe I'm getting the story wrong, but he is claiming that he is the father of Dr. Angela White's child.
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I just refer to not his daughter as his daughter. I mean, I get it. I grew up with people who were like my aunt and uncle and I called them auntie whatever, but this is clearly a sensitive subject and a guy who has his own problematic headlines and stories and his own behavior of family values and yada, yada, yada is out there just being like my two daughters. I don't know.
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It's like, but you don't.
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And it doesn't make her her mother.
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I know. Sure. But like, I'm imagining she's a lot more involved than him.
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Where is Rob?
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I'm not really interested in like Rob like the public figure and like I don't really care about his Instagram but like where is Rob in relations to like why is Tristan Thompson of all people like assuming any type of parental responsibility in this family dynamic?
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No, it's just more like, where's Rob in all this?
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There was a big trade, babe. Everyone's talking about it, I guess. Luca, formerly of the Dallas Mavericks.
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He's very good. He's one of the best players in the NBA. Usually trades like this don't happen.
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Yeah, they heard you loud and clear, Natalie. And then we need a star. Because when LeBron doesn't play, who the fuck do we root for?
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Now Luca.
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Leia's reading tweets from her husband, Danny.
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Even for somebody who's not good at math, she knows that's a lot.
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He's one of the best players in the league, and he's young.
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No, in fact, when it comes to, not to bog the audience down with like contract stuff, but in the NBA, they have guaranteed contracts, which is cool. But if you sign with the team that you play for, you are eligible for what they call a super max deal. And it's like $340 million or whatever. Yeah.
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But because Luca was traded and he's not with the original team that drafted him, I believe that has something to do with it. He is no longer even eligible to sign that deal. So like by him getting traded.
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Like a hundred million dollars.
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yeah yeah so stephen a smith is because other teams would like sometimes like sometimes players get traded but they would sign the deal with the original team to like work around this like rule and then get traded but they just said fuck that we're just trading you we don't care that's going to cost you 100 million do you feel like they're just going to like put start putting the lakers games on netflix with temptation island oh
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This is big news for us, really. For those of you who don't know, Temptation Island is a TV show that's been on TV for some time now.
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It debuted when I was in college on Fox. Whoa. Yeah, I watched season one. Yeah, it was good.
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Around that time.
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It might even have been before Bachelor.
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It was my sophomore year of college. This was like 2000. I think it was before The Bachelor.
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Uncomfortable.
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Oh, happy birthday. Oh my God. That also came out before. Anyways, Temptation Island's been on longer than The Bachelor. I don't think it... I think it wasn't on very long. It left the air, came back in the USA network or whatever. Same host known as Mark Wahlberg, not the A-list actor, but a different Mark Wahlberg.
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Was the host in 2001 and continues to be to this day. And for those, you know, Temptation Island, like you get couples that come on a la like the ultimatum and then they couple swap and it's like nasty and crazy.
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Yeah. And people who I know watch it like really think it's excellent television. Well, because it's on USA, which I think a lot of people are like, did that even still exist? Now it's going to be on Netflix. Much easier for us to binge. So I'm excited. When's this debut? March?
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I predict it's going to be a hit. I think we're all going to be talking about it come March.
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Why are people so upset about this?
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Yeah, Will Ferrell famously a couple weeks ago dressed up as Buddy the Elf and went to an LA Kings game and he was smoking a cigarette and he looked like he just had a... Can you smoke a cigarette at a... It was not a real cigarette.
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Yeah, he was. And that's the type of method acting that I think is okay. Yeah, why is this a problem? You know, people change. Even your beloved characters. Yeah. Maybe like Buddy the Elf, just like finally, you know, the grind of being in L.A., hit him.
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It's not winning an Oscar.
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And he... But based off of a very real thing.
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It's real, though.
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I think it's crazy. I mean, listen, it's a crazy story anecdotally, but it's even crazier that they're arresting people for...
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Deborah something. When all the rapists and murderers and pedophiles are all in jail, then you can start worrying about people like this.
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The booty belches?
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Booty belts. The big takeaway is that going forward, I will never fart. I will only booty belt.
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I think England's going up in flames. But anyways. I also just like block her.
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What happened to free speech?
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Freedom of wind. It's a booty belch.
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Oh, my God. She should do cameos.
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This is a gateway into her OnlyFans career.
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That's a little weird. Guys, we have an amazing episode lined up for you. We have an even crazier week coming up shortly. We got Bob Harper from Traders just exiled from the castle. He is with us momentarily to talk about all things Traders. Then we have a full week for you guys. Obviously, we dropped Ask Nick, a really great episode yesterday. We have a Rally Recap today.
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Tomorrow, we have an explosive interview. Tomorrow, we got Carl Radke on an amazing episode of Going Deeper. We finally got Carl into the studio. Obviously, we had the pleasure of interviewing his ex, Lindsay Hubbard, a while back. And I think at one point, I said that Carl was too chicken to come on the show. Well,
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he is not and he is here with us to answer all of our burning questions and many of yours as well that is on Wednesday and Carl's kind of been like other than obviously being on Summer House kind of low key you know he hasn't really talked to anyone until now okay what do we gotta get to well Gretchen Rossi is back Orange County Housewives
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And like. he's got that backyard of like unnecessary fire pits which i love by the way but that's like giving like you know googling lawnmowers you know pages like i don't think she's there right now she's looking for flights yeah vacation he's like freeze this shit i don't know when i'm gonna have time for it he's like babe we got fire in the backyard you know
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Is New Jersey Housewives even returning? Probably not for a while.
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I'll care when we know exactly what's happening with New Jersey Housewives. Until then, I feel like this is a bunch of not news.
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So do we really know if Jennifer Aiden won't? I mean, a lot can happen between now and when they actually get back on TV. That's true.
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I saw that when we had Spencer and Heidi here, Andy did apologize to Heidi and Spencer, so...
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Okay. I guess. Why is he saying, I guess?
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Our daughter is one years old.
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biofiles plus that it's like things that flew by in reality tv 10 years ago would never stand today let alone the commentary you know can't wait 12 years from now someone else whose house is burned down that we talked some shit about 12 years before that we'll be like yeah sorry i apologize everything's cooled down between rachel and matt i saw that matt lost over 10 000 followers and rachel gained over like 80 000 followers so i know there's that whole social media support
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Is it one years old? They've officially become toddlers? They're no longer baby. What about the kiddos who are just like not there yet, you know, moving at their own pace? I don't think it matters what pace they're at. It's just a one-year-old thing.
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So it's Claire Crowley saying that Matt and Rachel breaking up is proof that she was right, that he... I don't know if it's proof.
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Yes. Matt James was originally casted for Claire Crowley's season. And then Claire, who knows of what that part is right, but they decided to make Matt James The Bachelor. Claire is now claiming that she had something to do with him not ending up on her season. I don't know what this has anything to do with, like, I mean, he did date Rachel for four years.
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I don't know if this speaks to, like, Matt's sincerity about being in a relationship. Like, he became The Bachelor and has been dating the same person for the past four years. So in 2025 terms, that's like an eternity, you know? You can't criticize his commitment issues. Who else is criticizing Matt?
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What is Ari saying?
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You're no longer a baby.
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Yeah.
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What does toddler mean?
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This is coming from a guy who, like, had a pretty infamous after the final rose himself.
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And again, like, in defense to Ari, a lot of that was not Ari's fault. It was very much the producers producing the fuck out of the AFR, a la, like, you would think that Ari might have a little bit more empathy for Matt James and his AFR experience. Certainly... Rachel, as we've stated before, I think was absolutely thrown under the bus and scapegoated for a lot of people.
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But Matt James is on the bottom of the people I assign blame to. And I think him and Rachel were both thrown under the bus. It's just weird that Ari, of all people, is commenting on that particular moment when he has his own story. But hey, pop off, Ari. All right.
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Up next, we got the one and only Bob Harper himself to talk about his most recent exit from the Trader's Castle and all the shenanigans going on inside of that wacky and wild place. Let's get to Bob.
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Bob. Hey, y'all. Hey, man. You look stunning. Thanks for joining us. Where are you calling from? That looks great.
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Yeah.
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I try to hide that. Wow, spacious room, man. Anyways, I didn't know we would get such a... Now I want to turn this conversation to how to design your entire apartment in the best possible way.
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Bob, it's been so fun to watch you on Traders. Obviously, I think I speak for all of us that we were sad to see you go. I don't know how you feel, but when people get killed by Traders overnight, it just feels like... You just feel like, oh. You're like, wait.
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yeah let's go i need to defend myself yes yes you're like you're just dead you know at least at a round table you're just like you know you get to you get to like give a fuck you and flip people off like like wes was doing but were you shocked bob that you were murdered with that had come with great surprise or were you kind of like what the fuck like what what what were those thoughts going in your head when you woke up and you realized that the traitors killed you
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I'm curious, you know, when we're watching it back, obviously we're watching back, you know, an edited version. We don't get to see anything. And, you know, I'm watching it now and like wondering how, you know, as great of a player as Boston Rob is, like, how is he not being noticed?
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Because he's just if for no other reason that he's just like so noticeable, like he is definitely walking around with the bright light on him. But was it as, you know, is that more editing, you know, now that we, you know, they have it or were people just not seeing it in real time as well?
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I feel like Dylan knows Rob as a trader and just decided not to vote for Rob just to like avoid any conflict with Rob. And he's, you know, going to figure out the Robin of it all later. Yeah. It just seemed like Dylan's heart wasn't in that West vote, but it seemed more strategic. Um, and he was like almost feeling, thinking two steps ahead.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
It was a lovely party. Natalie did an amazing job. And River is so lucky to have Natalie as a mother. Truly. And she's great. And I think I'm a great dad. I do. I'm a hands-on father. I'm involved as much as...
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
What was the craziest Tom theory that you remember?
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
My favorite part of the episode was when the round table starts with Tom giving a theory, and then Derek is like, all right, well, that was... I'm sorry we all had to listen to that bullshit, but can I actually get to my theories?
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
That's, that's great. Thanks for sharing that story. Also nothing like the couple episodes. I just want to acknowledge that, like, you know, that scene you had when they were carrying the fucking mantles up and like, you know, that was a very vulnerable moment for you. And like, you talked about having a heart attack and,
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
any dad out there well not any i'm i'm up there i'm a one percent dad in terms of the involvement but like when it comes to this stuff like really nally really brings like i lack any type of party planning i feel that like you power wash the backyard hey on now and that's what you're there for on nally's instructions though you know it wasn't like i wasn't like i should yeah
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Obviously, you look great, but as we get older and we have health problems, it's obviously very humanizing, I'm sure, to at one point in your life be able to do one thing as you described. You would have been the person helping people carry up, and then when your body kind of gives out on you, that can be a very humbling experience.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I think a lot of people connected with that story that you shared earlier. And I'm just wondering, you know, like what was, you know, did you receive any like well wishes from that? Or I know, what was that like? Or did you, did you hate having to be vulnerable in that moment?
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Well, you look great. I think my favorite photos going around online are the old Boston Rob photos from Survivor. Because everyone's like, do you remember Boston Rob? And I'm like, no.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
you well what i want to ask you is like like i just don't see how rob gets out of this because every time he gets into a fight with someone right and then he convinces the table like oh you're all wrong this other person's a traitor and then they get up and go not a traitor like every time that happens you're like oh wait it's got to be fucking rob but like is yeah i i will say never underestimate boston rob uh
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
tall and you know got that great body and i'm like well of course you eat cereal um with a fork because it lowers the calories and what you're eating yeah that's dairy for sure yeah love chrishell uh friend of show uh her vibes seem to be way off every time she talks about having a feeling or an inkling or energy about someone it's always someone who's definitely not
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Which ruffled her feathers, for sure. But I will say, like, you know, I really appreciate Natalie's party planning skills. It brings joy to my life in ways I never thought I would appreciate. Which would, it would start with our wedding, you know? That's where we'd start?
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Yes, thank you.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
It's been great. And I'm just like, Danielle, I just don't really get her master plan. It's like it's too many steps, you know? It's just like she's trying to get rid of Carolyn so that she can get rid of Rob. It's all about getting rid of Rob, according to her.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
But it's just like, why are you backstabbing your only potential ally so that you can get a different traitor in and then trying to convince them to go after Rob? That's like, that's a lot of moving pieces. And she's not really doing anything other than pissing off Carolyn.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Wes comes from the challenge. Yeah. And like I'm not a big challenge fan, but it's like it's just a lot of physical competitions and stuff like that.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Sure, that too. Yeah, no, yeah, you're right, sorry.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Yeah, it sounds like he did a lot of winning on the challenge and it's been around for a while.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Yeah, but what does that have to do with traitors and how it's a completely different game and their strategy and just like pissing off half the room?
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
For you. Exactly.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
That's crazy that they pumped that music in to add to the intensity. Because usually it's, that's fascinating.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
That is T-Bob. Wow. Thank you for that.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I am, yes.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
They're square toed. You look like a badass in those. Oh. What part of Tennessee, Bob?
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Okay.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I love that.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Yeah, literally.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Living our dream, Bob. Thank you so much for your time. Really enjoyed watching you this season. Wishing you nothing but success in the future. And thank you so much for taking the time.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Bye-bye, Bob.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
And for the men out there, their underwear is fantastic. And like Natalie said, don't let your longest relationship be with your underwear.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
No, I've been like, let me run to Gelson's. I'll cook.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Like that's the intent of it. And Nalia is really good at creating moments for our family, like in memories. And that's something I never really thought I'd appreciate until Nalia started doing the stuff for our family. It's really great. So like she created some amazing memories for River.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Look how wafty and flowy my hair is thanks to our Jolie showerhead. All right, well, thank you, Bob, for that insight into the Trader's Castle. My biggest takeaway is, damn, Bob's living large.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
That's a Manhattan apartment. A Manhattan penthouse.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
That was not my biggest takeaway from that movie. My takeaway was when he bought that apartment in the city and he could ride through his New York apartment. Bob's got some space.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Yeah.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Anyway, it's crushing life.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
What is Craig doing?
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I feel like she's not allowed to be like, yeah, I was a bit caught off guard. I was in love one day and the next day I have a broken heart.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
It's just like, wait, like Guy breaks up with girl on an airplane and the whole world needs every fucking detail. And so we can crucify the man. But girl breaks up with Guy and he needs to shut the fuck up is not to like have any theories and rumors spread about like why.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Like.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Huge hit podcast platform of platform weekly podcast where I'm sure every week she is making some kind of comment in reference to her relationship status.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Nothing about Craig's comments suggested in like anything other than like she broke my heart.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I'm defensive page about that, though, like nothing irritates me more than people telling me about me and what I'm doing in my life.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Well, sure. I mean, I'm not agreeing with everything Amanda said. I'm just pointing out that Amanda is just like critiquing Craig's actions versus Austin is spreading rumors. Austin's going out there. I watch what happens live and been like, those rumors aren't rumors. She's like moved on. Yeah, 100%.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
And like the accusation, uh, Craig is like milking the sympathy sympathy. It's like, give me a fucking break. Again, the person on the receiving end of the breakup, a is entitled to have a broken heart and be like, Craig ain't the first person to be like milking sympathy in the reality TV space.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
So like what Craig has done in this department is a fraction of what other people have done to milk their sympathy when it comes to their broken heart. So like,
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Father God.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Yes. All right. Well, Bachelor episode two is out.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I just want to say you cannot make me hate Zoe.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Not my cup of tea.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I say this much about Zoe is someone who last week I thought might be someone who wins. She ain't winning.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I respect the hustle one caveat to this is that like it's only week two and week two they'll take it from wherever they get it and that is the drama so like early on like I don't know Zoe is this like maybe she's like I'm just like I don't know to be clear you guys can have your opinions but like she is 100% right like all she is doing nothing wrong
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
stealing him again from ali joe to like finish your thoughts it was like okay girl like we're doing too much what if i told you that everyone that early on is interrupting everyone like everyone gets interrupted so like when someone's talking to someone nothing happens without a little bit of coordination from the friends who want you to buy a boat a la the producers
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
So at no time is the bachelor or bachelorette just sitting there waiting for people to come. That's never happening. They are never alone. So they are given access to the people. So they are always interrupting someone every time. You are sometimes shown those interruptions.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
And why some people get mad and some people don't is because they carefully make sure that certain people interrupt certain people because they know it will trigger certain people. And then with Zoe hanging around, wanting to finish that conversation, it is more likely that before she went back
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
you know, to sit with the rest of the gals, they were like, well, it seemed like you, like, didn't get to finish your conversation. Would you like more time with him? Like, we'll just wait here for a few minutes.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Which, for anyone out there, Nellie had a wonderful idea, and it really turned out.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
But she wasn't good. She wanted, she got three minutes with the guy and she wanted three minutes and 30 seconds.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Fuck respect.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I don't know. It depends.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
It might be three minutes. It might be 20 minutes.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Yeah, fuck respect. I am not here to get you time with someone that, like, especially early on, if you're making a human connection, and keep in mind, the premise of the show is they're all like, yeah, after, like, eight weeks, you can get engaged. It's like, yeah, sure. No problem. And I'm supposed to what? Like do this for a fucking with a fucking stranger?
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Like the idea, like anyone there who is there to be polite for the rest of the girlies is not there for granted. Zoe is the only one so far making it very clear why she's there and she's there for granted. Everyone else there is there to make friends. They're there for the followers. They're there to like be there for the clout. I don't.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Can't get to know someone by sharing them.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
But like no one, that's what I'm saying. If you show up to a group date and your plan is to sit there and wait for your chance, you won't get a chance. They will end the night. You have to try to go talk to your person. You have to go out of your way to make time. However you do that, you can figure it out.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Let me explain why.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
You can be like Zoe and like a little more aggressive or you can be a little bit more like, hey, I'd love to, can I go talk to Grant? Can I, I'd love some time. Or maybe I wrote something nice for him. I want to do something. But if you're just going to sit there and wait for the grant to pull you. I don't know who was sitting there.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Allie Jo was just like, I've been sitting here all night and I haven't had a chance to talk to him. I'm like, well, that's your problem.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I loved her. Or you need that much attention. I love her no response. And all Zoe was here to say is, like, listen, you can't offend me by interrupting me. I'm going to do me. You do you. I'm not going to critique how you do it. Don't critique mine. And then Allie Jo started throwing like insults and started talking about how insecure she was and all this bullshit.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
And Zoe's response was like, you know, sticks and stones. Like, I'm just going to sit here quietly and be the like demure queen that I am.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I'm not going to fight back.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
demure nothing about that girl's demure yeah whatever she's confident i give her that but i could never fine but like i love i thought it was great what did you think of christina straddling him in front of all the other girls that was a little tongue in him down i'm pretty sure they'd loop that a little bit i would love to know from from grant well like was she was she making out with you that long i kind of feel like they looped it a little bit but
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Nellie... Natalie had a vision. Yeah. All right. Let's be clear. And it's a great vision. It was like we are going to like go to this place and make River her birthday plate. And then until she breaks it, eventually, of course, it will be her birthday plate. At some point, we're going to have to glue that plate together without question. I hope you're prepared for that. It's a lovely plate.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
The women seem more triggered by Zoe than...
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Whatever.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Because you were having sex in front of us.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Well, she was grinding on him. To be fair. Okay.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
But Carolina seemed, her actions seemed way more antagonistic than Zoe's. Again, Zoe's just more like, hey. you asked how long are they there? These women are there for hours. And Zoe was the only one who said, I'm going to pull you.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Lower the hoop, but yeah. I'm just saying, she took the initiative. She didn't commit any crime. She didn't make out with someone in front of her. She didn't rub it in.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
That was low budget. Are you kidding me? That's the worst mall in LA.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I mean, the type of I mean, we all you've heard me talk just a few weeks ago. Locked in a grocery store all night long. So it was giving like locked in a place where you have free reign. Yeah. You're not supposed to have free reign. That's giving fun.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I was more impressed with her this date than I was with her night one.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
But she was really, I mean, she is goofy. Love that for her. But she was all goofy night one. And I felt like she was a little more normal and down to earth and chill. Love the tats. I loved her outfit.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
grant serenading her coming up with a song on the spot right now i'm uh you hated it president of the grant alice music club for sure yeah mary was in the club when that was shut up it's a good song they're bullying we've listened to it i like it he can beatbox he is very musically talented We're getting close to like, I don't care if you're John Mayer or Grant Ellis.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
You can't just like sing in public whenever the fuck and not make it weird.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
But like now he's like, let's go paint this together. And I said, great, let's do this together. And we showed up, you know, I came from work. She came from somewhere else. We showed up as two busy parents often do at the place to unite and create their daughter, her first birthday plate. And some of you may not know this, but I have a small, well, I can't party plan.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I'm going to need a week off. But again, this is no denying his musical talent. And I truly hope that his song goes number one.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Yes. Number two. And we're getting close to anyone need to be boxed. And I don't think that's Grant's fault. I think those producers love a party trick.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Well, you were half right about Allie Jo. She's not really the villain, but she's certainly part of the drama.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
She won already.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Yeah, I think we already know his final two. That's the one-on-one, right? No.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
He was rubbing them hands.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
She was giggling, too. She's fantasy sweet. She's going home week three.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
everyone has your own have your own opinions I mean that little basketball so you take your two since we teased Grant a little bit for his music singing I do want to acknowledge that I thought he handled that conversation with Latia with like no notes like A plus yeah because it's a tough conversation like
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
know credit to latia for like expressing herself and like you know i mean grant the night one for those who don't remember like he was like you're so beautiful like you must never hear no he's just giving a line he's trying to sweet talk her he's not trying to understand her like childhood trauma that triggered her she mentioned like she's heard no she's had tough breakups she's had heartbreak she's she used that as a conversation as a launching pad to start opening up to grant about her personal story
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
And he did not get defensive. He listened. He responded. He didn't make it about him. There has been several other bachelors in recent years that have epically failed those types of conversations. And I think we need to give Grant some credit because he was as perfect as a response to a situation.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Yeah, but it's not what I meant and I'm sorry for saying it that way. Let's move on. Who was the bachelor who got COVID?
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Zach. Was he lecturing? I forgot. He started yelling.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
You know, Zach talking about how serious this is for him. That's what I'm saying. I think a lot of bachelors in this situation would take Latia saying something like, Grant, is this like, well, if you think I'm not here for the right reasons, because it's just very easy to get defensive when someone comes to you and says, hey, you said something that kind of bothered me and hurt my feelings.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
And he didn't express any discomfort whatsoever. or any defensiveness. I don't think we highlight that shit like that enough. I thought he handled it fucking perfect. It was truly top-notch.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Exactly. So like there's this girl that's trying to connect with this stranger. He's like, it's not like fucking work. Jesus Christ.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I can draw and I can paint and I have a bit of an artistic thumb, as some might say. It didn't matter because I wasn't part of the vision. No, I needed you to draw the cake. Now he's like, can you draw a cake? And it was just like, what is that? I don't know. And then I started painting and then she's like, I don't like that pink. And I was like, you know what?
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
That's what you call good editing.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
It was like,
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Yeah, it's a tough situation to be put in. Yeah, she's like, how do I answer this without slut-shaming Carolina and, like, making you feel like you're an idiot? And she's like, um,
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Well, credit to Letia, too, who was just like, I can't sing, I can't dance, and I don't know how to public speak. And I honestly thought she had the best performance because she wasn't trying to perform. Yeah. Where then, what was her name?
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Rebecca. She's like, I can sing. And you could tell when she was singing, she was very nervous. Yeah.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
because like you could tell like she was like this is my moment to be good this is my moment to shine i really need to deliver and she like psyched herself out or like latia was just like the fuck she was just gonna talk through this yeah it was like she was just there having fun versus my piercing eyes and then uh that'll be good is this correct did i see lisa vanderpump in the preview for yes they go to vanderpump dogs it looks like
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
A little cross-promotion with Hulu and Vanderpump Villa. It's Rob Mills working overtime.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Sucks for us, though.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Good for Hannah.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
And no disrespect to, is it Allie Brewer?
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Ashley Brewer. Seems like she's really great at her job, but I feel like those are moments to bring in an alumni, which they've done before. But hey.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Why?
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
wasn't a good note i don't know like how to sing on an island alone i'll tell you what uh week two i had a lot of girls give me some weird shit and just like i had one girl like do a sketch comedy thing in front of me i just like sat there and watch and like someone like reenacted a cheer it's a lot of weird shit that they're like just grasping at straws you don't know any of these people you're just like great and
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
this is i'm gonna shut the fuck up and i'm just gonna sit here and watch you paint this plate and it turned out and it is amazing but like you can't paint a plate together yeah you pick your own like i just get two plates and may the best man win um because you're this is not a this is not something to do together like well i think if i not if one person has a vision no it wasn't like let's just see what happens it was like what the fuck are you doing
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
One time one of the producers was like, hey, I got a favor. I'm like, what? And they're like, they were trying to create something. I'll just leave it at that.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
No, they're just like, can you just for this one person? I wasn't really interested in this person. I didn't care. They're like, can you be a bad kisser? I said, sure, no problem.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
And I just remembered what bad kissing meant to me, which is like a dead fish. So I just opened up my mouth and just, uh. And then she like, we got done kissing and she looked at me and she gave me that, And I was like, all right, well, I'll see you later.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Although, when we played basketball on Andy Dorfman's season, they did that to us and we fucking crushed them.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I'm not short, but they, like, Bachelor Nation is very tall. 6'2", my height, is average for that world. And they had, like, all the 6'2 and 6'5 guys. And I had, like, I was the tallest person on my team, and we had a bunch of, like, shorter guys, but we had the one actual basketball player. So he won.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
And I kind of played unofficial coach. And I said, guys, they're not going to be calling fouls. Foul early, foul hard and foul often.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
And so we just we just beat the shit out of the other team and let Brian make a bunch of buckets. And we and we crushed him.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I just want to say I love you, Mary. Me too. Yeah. All the discourse, people questioning her intentions and yada, yada, yada. It's just like, one, it's really not your place. But you cannot deny Mary's love for her child. And I think...
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
you know being a new parent like we do our best to give river the best life and i think it's incredibly vulnerable and brave of mary to acknowledge that like there was a lot going on that she didn't know and she felt responsible for that and she's not some absentee parent you know she's not some like disconnected parent who's just like decides to like all of a sudden give a shit you know about her son because she's a has a bunch of other
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
things going on she clearly is involved in her child's life and despite that still still does happen and the scariness around that happening is a very difficult situation and i think she is you know i think more than anything what she brought awareness to is the willingness to like
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
sit down with your child, even if you feel that embarrassment, even if you feel like it's difficult and like, you know, connect in ways that you realize maybe you weren't connecting with your kid to save your kid's life. Because I think a lot of times if parents fuck up with their kids, they don't know how to handle it.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
So they don't do anything other than like clam up and like hope that things work themselves out. And Mary didn't do that. And I think it's a very brave thing for her to do. And I think we should send her all our love because yeah, that was just a... Touching moment in that episode.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I really don't want to be over Meredith and Angie fighting over this topic.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
When Meredith feels wronged, there is no limit to what she is willing to do to like make sure that people agree with her.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
But her ability to navigate people coming for her.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
And her willingness to discount everyone else's feelings because it's not valid to her. It's real something. It's really something.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I loved how Meredith handled that. Because that's the only way to protect yourself in that environment is to know your worth. Meredith's like, fire me or don't fire me. I'm not fucking saying one more thing unless I get this, this, and that. And she clearly, she got some version of her way. Mm-hmm.
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It ruined your vision. Yeah, no, I understand.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
And those are the ones I can remember.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Anytime we make lists of anything, I want it to end with, and those are what we can remember.
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Who's your favorite husband?
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Todd's no bullshit.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I love Justin. Justin is Whitney's? Yeah. I like Justin.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Who's Sean?
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Oh, Sean's good too.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I don't know enough about him.
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or electra exactly and he you could tell he really really loves her and he really loves his family also it is weird when like kids like you know all these women talk about these rumors and they spread the rumors but like yeah it's like it's pretty fucked up when you're spreading rumors that eventually make their way back to like your kid's school yeah and shit like that and um it's some of them only seem to care about it when it's a rumor coming at them
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I don't like John Barlow.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
And I was like... He's just as petty as his wife.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
He's a really supportive husband, though. I'll give you that. He definitely is supporting his wife.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
And you're right, that deserves credit.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
No, that's because after the commercial break, Lisa turned around and said, good boy.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I was fine. Let's pull up.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
And it really made me realize both what I love about Heather and why I'm always frustrated with Heather. My favorite Salt Lake City season will be the season, if it ever happens, where Heather is top fucking dog. Where she sits on her throne of like, you know, she stabs Lisa Barlow in the back. She stabs Meredith in the back. She's just like, I'm the, you know, Jen Shaw, fuck you.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
She takes no prisoners and she figures out a way to like be the queen of Salt Lake City. And she starts like being, I think she was born to be like a leader. I think she was born to be a star, but she doesn't, she doesn't believe it in herself. She doesn't think she can be the leader of a group. And that's why she's always following the likes of a Jen Shaw and Elisa Barlow.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
And I think if Heather just believed in herself, she would be a million times less insufferable when she's ever insufferable. And she's only insufferable when she's just like taking fucking orders from people who are less than her.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
It was just kind of giving like Rowan trying to have a storyline and then thought she could like use this storyline. And then the other women were like, Oh shit, emotionally cheating. And then they fucking ran with this like rumor. And then Brown was like, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa. You know,
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
That's 12 minutes gone. Drawing a cupcake. It had shadows and everything.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I feel like Bronwyn, yeah, I think she was trying to open up. That's the problem. These women are asked and expected to confess, to share secrets, because it's like if they don't share it, someone else is going to dig tea up on them. I think Bronwyn was kind of trying to control the narrative of this tea and give her a little bit of character arc, and I think these women weren't here to play.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
event happened that he didn't say at their wedding when you say fidelity it's like i know what you mean but like infidelity is the word we always use and it's like not that different than fidelity i feel like we need a different word for like like faithful loyalty yeah yeah it's like wait did you say fidelity like i promise to be unfaithful uh
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
This part infuriated me.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
No, that's not true.
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And unafraid. Doesn't need her money or praise or adoration or approval.
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Heather, if you're listening, you're capable of so much more.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Natalie wanted, like, she wanted it to look like a cake, right? She wanted to draw a cake. And, like, not to mansplain painting, because I just have painted. Natalie wanted to, like, to draw the details of a candle with, like, a feathered brush. I was like, go nuts. Draw this candle and see if it looks like a candle when you're done.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I don't know. I feel like Angie giving us a little tea on what it was like to go to high school with Heather was the most informative thing.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Just talking about, again, according to Angie, Heather's desire to always be around the cool kids, the popular kids, and she always was someone who kind of acted not like also a popular kid, but someone who very much wanted to be one. And that made a lot of sense given how Heather moves around the Jen Shaws and the Lisa Barlows of the world, where she's always second in command.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
She's always kind of doing their bidding. She's never... And again, Heather is, I think Heather's one of the smartest people in the group. Like, she's funny. I love Heather. I just get so frustrated with her when she just does the shit she does. We finally watched Roni Reunion. Like, I don't even feel comfortable commenting on It's So Toxic.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Like...
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Not a candle.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Lovely.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
But what? Like, what makes her so, like... She's fab. Like, why do people fawn over her? I don't get it. Like, even Rihanna said she was her favorite housewife. I mean, I get it. She's highly successful, but, like... I don't know.
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Maybe in person, but not through the TV. I don't know.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Fine. She's for the girls and the gays. I will absolutely go fuck myself.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Yeah, definitely not for me. But what is she doing for you?
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
And to be clear, I'm not critiquing her professional accomplishments. You don't get her as a housewife. Yes, just like as a housewife, I don't get it.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
and i think if we did get to see a little behind the curtain it would be a lot more and then when she does something that's like kind of like giving slightly problematic it's kind of giving she's like oops i was a little embarrassed but like what else it's like i love i love that you know i kind of love like an ice cold queen it's more i'd rather be like yeah i don't give a fuck yeah rather than pretend the i don't know
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I'm clearly in the minority. I'm constantly being told that she is next to God.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I mean, good for her. I just, was it watched?
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Okay. All right. Well, I think that does it for this episode. We will be bringing back Bev Hills on Thursday. I mean, like, I don't know. We didn't cover it last week because of Heidi and Spencer, but like, you know, Dorit and Kyle still figuring it out. Once again, tomorrow, Carl Radke for an amazing Going Deeper episode. We'll see you tomorrow. Bye.
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And for someone on a sugar, like not a no sugar diet right now, this was difficult.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Oh, she's never had sugar. So apparently, I don't know, I guess when you turn one, you can have anything you want. You can have a cake.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Yeah, I get it.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
That's old Nick.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
And everyone at the party was like, this is the best chocolate fucking cake I've ever had in my life. And I love chocolate cake. It looks so good.
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Yeah, I didn't have any.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I'm looking right at the cake. I'm like, this cake looks so good. It took every strength I had not to...
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
It's cold. It's cold outside.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
january 26th river's a performer she has i think a little bit of her mother in her in the best possible way because i think river honestly i think she has been she she started standing around like five six months and i was like this chick's gonna be like fucking walking in a week and like no turns out she was just kind of like i think she could have been walking for like a month but she's like you know my birthday's like in a month and i really i think there's no way to like no reason to like get ahead now
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
She wanted a hard launch. Well, she soft launched it with us a few days ago. It took a few steps. And after her nap and the party started, she came out in her little fairy dress that Natalie picked out. She walked around the corner being a little fairy angel princess baby that she is and smiled at everyone. A little laugh. She took it all in. She laughed. She performed. She spun.
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She made friends. She laughed. Told jokes. She did.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
It was a great party. Yeah, Natalie deserves all the credit. I was there to help.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
What's a tablescape person?
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
No, that's all Natalie. And her mom. And my mom. And your mom. And my mom.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
But Natalie was the visionary, for sure.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
We executed her plan.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
And again, that was meant as a compliment. Like, it really was. It was a perfect little party.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Natalie brought her child.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
My brother brought his child. So there are only... There are only three kids. There's only three kids. And then we had a couple friends, whatever. It was lovely. But it wasn't like, you know, some of those first grade birthday parties. First grade. First... Where are you?
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Some of those first year birthday parties, they're crazy.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
They're crazy.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I don't have enough sugar.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
No, I have... Don't worry. I have all my fruits and orange juices.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I hope all of you get to, do you guys drink orange juice?
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
You like orange juice? I love orange juice. You love orange juice.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
That's where you're at in your orange juice. He's going to shame you. He's going to shame you. That's okay. I don't mean to be.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
So you grew up on freshly squeezed. Sometimes. And now you're drinking Natalie's?
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Well, not if you're drinking Natalie's as your go-to orange juice.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Great wine. That's right.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Well, being a kid who grew up on the frozen cans, the frozen blocks of like, I don't know, they were soda cans. It was like a frozen block of orange juice.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Cafeteria. I used to think those were good. And then I remember when Simply Orange Juice was like invented and I was like, oh my God, it's simply just orange juice. This must be freshly squeezed. I thought that was good. Yeah, orange juice is like flying. It's like flying. Once you go to first class, you never really can go back. I don't know. I can't speak for Mary.
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E944 - Brianne Howey Talks Ginny & Georgia, Love Island USA w/ Disrespectfully, Summer House & Karen Read
What did y'all think? I enjoyed it. I love seeing people like, they are mean girls. They're reality TV stars. They're mean girls. And I love to see, and I personally enjoy it. That's the thing. That's why I'm like, I'm not mad at Paige or Ciara or Amanda or for being mean about it. I'm like, yeah, give me more of it. It's creating good storylines and things. Lean in, be worse.
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E944 - Brianne Howey Talks Ginny & Georgia, Love Island USA w/ Disrespectfully, Summer House & Karen Read
I love it when people are unselfaware on TV. It makes for great television. And so I'm just seated watching them all be dumb. It's great. That's my take on the reunion. And I think Jesse's a loser. But he's a very charming, affable loser that I would want to hang out with. I mean, he's, he's very charming and fun.
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E944 - Brianne Howey Talks Ginny & Georgia, Love Island USA w/ Disrespectfully, Summer House & Karen Read
I think the thing with what really entertains me about the dynamic is that Jesse like Jesse's friendship with these women is so to me it reads and maybe this is like this is just my take on it of like they do not respect Jesse. They just find him entertaining and funny and he's like their little play thing. Like that's how like for Sierra. He's her little play thing.
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E944 - Brianne Howey Talks Ginny & Georgia, Love Island USA w/ Disrespectfully, Summer House & Karen Read
And she's not like respecting him in that way of like, no, I'm not going to fuck you like I you are just for my entertainment and enjoyment because I know you will flirt with me and give me attention. I'm going to give it back to you because it's fun. And so then and I think to her, she's probably like, that's obvious. And then for Lexi, Lexi's like, well, wait, what the fuck is going on here?
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E944 - Brianne Howey Talks Ginny & Georgia, Love Island USA w/ Disrespectfully, Summer House & Karen Read
Because she doesn't have that like set dynamic with him. So obviously she's really upset about it. But then to Sierra, she's like, why are you mad? Like, I'm not. That's not what this is. But then I don't I don't think that Lexi is wrong to feel that way.
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E944 - Brianne Howey Talks Ginny & Georgia, Love Island USA w/ Disrespectfully, Summer House & Karen Read
I felt for her in that moment.
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E944 - Brianne Howey Talks Ginny & Georgia, Love Island USA w/ Disrespectfully, Summer House & Karen Read
What is that nursery rhyme that's like there are four in the bed and the little one said roll over? Somebody did that.
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E944 - Brianne Howey Talks Ginny & Georgia, Love Island USA w/ Disrespectfully, Summer House & Karen Read
You know who we need? We need Emma. We need Lisa Barlow and Bronwyn's jeweler from Salt Lake City to get to the bottom of this. That messy bitch.
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E944 - Brianne Howey Talks Ginny & Georgia, Love Island USA w/ Disrespectfully, Summer House & Karen Read
Tell me you're uncomfortable. I'm lying. Where does Craig go from here on Southern Charm? I feel like everyone already knew he was a liar, but now everyone really just knows. You cannot trust a single word that comes out of that man's mouth.
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E944 - Brianne Howey Talks Ginny & Georgia, Love Island USA w/ Disrespectfully, Summer House & Karen Read
Justice for Emeril. That's all I have to say. He does seem like a sweet man.
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E944 - Brianne Howey Talks Ginny & Georgia, Love Island USA w/ Disrespectfully, Summer House & Karen Read
Yeah, I agree. I do agree with you guys on that. I think they they definitely like set the two of them up to kind of just be the fall guy for the season when they are all kind of like past.
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E944 - Brianne Howey Talks Ginny & Georgia, Love Island USA w/ Disrespectfully, Summer House & Karen Read
It's like, I think by next season, that's fair. I think this season, I think this season it was like, well, yeah, there's going to be a blowout from it. Their dynamic has changed. She's going to have feelings about it. The reunion, I think is just like a, we're going to talk about it at the reunion, get that closure. And then I don't want to hear about it anymore.
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E944 - Brianne Howey Talks Ginny & Georgia, Love Island USA w/ Disrespectfully, Summer House & Karen Read
I'm not convinced it's not going to happen. I'm just saying I hope it doesn't. I was agreeing with you, actually.
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E944 - Brianne Howey Talks Ginny & Georgia, Love Island USA w/ Disrespectfully, Summer House & Karen Read
I just want to say I thought we were all going to dress in summer florals today. And we're green. Okay, that's true. I wear a light color. Okay. Do you see black?
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E944 - Brianne Howey Talks Ginny & Georgia, Love Island USA w/ Disrespectfully, Summer House & Karen Read
Yeah. I just kind of feel like a clown. But he kind of is giving, he's kind of giving like forest.
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E944 - Brianne Howey Talks Ginny & Georgia, Love Island USA w/ Disrespectfully, Summer House & Karen Read
Yeah. No, you guys are all giving like classy, classy summertime entrance and I'm, you can't wear white after Labor Day.
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E944 - Brianne Howey Talks Ginny & Georgia, Love Island USA w/ Disrespectfully, Summer House & Karen Read
Gilmore Girls with murder.
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E944 - Brianne Howey Talks Ginny & Georgia, Love Island USA w/ Disrespectfully, Summer House & Karen Read
No more secrets.
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E944 - Brianne Howey Talks Ginny & Georgia, Love Island USA w/ Disrespectfully, Summer House & Karen Read
Do you think she did this?
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Helix Sleep is the perfect place to get the perfect mattress. You've heard us talk about Helix Sleep for some time now because we are obsessed with them. I've been talking about Helix Sleep since I started this show because I'm obsessed with it because I've been sleeping on their Moonlight mattress for, I don't know, four or five years now. Wow, that's a long time.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
That's helixsleep.com slash V-I-A-L-L. With Helix, better sleep starts now. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vow Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick, joined by the household boy that we have a lot to get into. I hope that you all had a very happy holiday, Thanksgiving weekend, long weekend, whatever. And we're back. We're finally back.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I really think, though, I do think a lot of fans of celebrities in general, it's about relatability. It's about connecting. It's not about like the old Hollywood playbook would be do a film, do a press tour, disappear. I don't think that's the way it is these days. And I guess we're having a lot of fun talking about this. But I do think they come across as out of touch and disconnected people.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
who are so self-absorbed with their own talents.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I love them so much they can do no wrong for me. I've been entertained. I've been entertained.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Billy Porter came out and he was dancing and looking wonderful and performing and zero chance he was singing. It was like not... His mic was away from his... Yeah, and he's like doing flips and running around and no sign of like breathing heavy or like being tired. It's raining out. It's a parade. Leave these performers alone.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Good for them. And they had years of practice and pre-production.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Ariana Maddox performed on her own float for the Thanksgiving Day Parade. That is an amazing moment for her. That was incredible. For a reality TV star, someone who's been mostly known for being an ensemble cast, and quite frankly, one of the least compelling characters for much of her time on Vanderpump until Scandival happened, it is incredible what she's been able to do with this.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
And now she is performing at the Macy Thanksgiving Parade. I don't give a fuck if she lip synced or not. Most... Three-fourths, probably 90%. Most of these people, people who have performed their whole lives are lip syncing. It's a parade. Shut up and just eat your fucking pumpkin pie and drink your coffee and clap your hands. What are you doing?
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Yes. She crushed it. It was clearly her singing. Just, you know, she just sang it maybe a couple hours earlier and maybe she had a couple takes in the studio.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Congratulations, Joey. I don't think people appreciate how big of an accomplishment this was for Joey.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
The Bachelor winning Dancing with the Stars. First of all, it's never happened.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Not even close. I think every other Bachelor before him has always gone home right around the same time, give or take a week or two.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
And Joey won amongst a very competitive group of other stars and finalists. He dominated. That was great.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I think it's more funny that the audience acts like Carrie Ann's doing something terrible. She's making headlines, for sure. Kelsey responds to Carrie Ann. It's just like, it's dancing with the stars, people.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
It's not that serious. Let's dance. Stop talking.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Either way. I mean, he crushed it.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
The mirror ball stays in their family. The Chmowski. In the Chmowski household.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Then after we watched Joey win, Natalie and her niece.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Our niece, Scarlett, decided to put on my Dancing with the Stars experience. Oh.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
But the big takeaway was, I don't look like that anymore.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I was like, in a good or bad way?
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
If you're asking Natalie, someone needs to get in the gym. And I got to say, I appreciate the shame.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Not really.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
We had some time off as well. We went to the place of our wedding, the farm, as we like to call it. And it was glorious.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Well, listen, the reality is I am older. That's true. I have a little less energy. That's also true. But I have some bad habits that I have to eliminate from my life.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
There's way too much. I was not eating the same amount of cereal.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
It's the lime popsicles from home. If I could get rid of those lime popsicles and the cereal, watch out.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Cookies.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Well, that's now he's buying them. I had some cookies over the holidays because there were a package in the pantry at the farm, for sure.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
They were out. Oh, those are good. I know.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
You gotta. If you put them out.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
But it is time for dad to get in shape for sure. After watching those videos, I was like, God damn, I was really good shape.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
No flips. Such a scary.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
And?
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
How's my face?
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Well, first of all, he's literally maybe the only man alive who looks marketably better without a beard.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Well, I wouldn't know, Justin.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
But he was hot and he's attractive now. Well, he's gone for let's just grow it out and see what happens beard. Bushy.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
He's got a little redness in his beard. So it's like, is this, are you now, are you?
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I will say Thanksgiving is definitely different after you're married and have a kid with someone.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
No, I think he is.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Why?
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I mean, I don't, who else?
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Wait, aren't they just making a Beatles one?
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I'll definitely not be watching those, though.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Well, you know, I'm the guy who you may or may not know. According famously does like I don't save numbers on my phone. Like I have to know you for a year, maybe.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
And it's still the best sleep I've ever had. I was reminded how comfortable our mattress is because we were out of town on the farm, as you guys know, not sleeping on a Helix mattress. And I complained all week to my sister-in-law and she should know better. I And then we came home and I slept and laid my pretty little head down on a Helix mattress and was like, God, this is so comfortable.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Obviously, we... Well, I texted Tyler on Thanksgiving wishing him a happy Thanksgiving. He didn't text me back, so... He was busy leaking screenshots.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I was unaware of this.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Must not have been that serious.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I'm going to go ahead and guess Tyler Cameron didn't post an actual sincere, huge fight between him and his girlfriend.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Better than us.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
That is more of a headline.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Tyler Cameron hurts Nick's feelings.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Josh Allen, who scored a 14-point play last night and kicked my ass in fantasy football, was pretty pissed about that.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
It was bullshit. They gave him a passing and... I don't even want to get into it. In fantasy football. But he is happily... Which is fake. ...engaged to Haley Seinfeld, famously known for the Bumblebee movies, Transformers.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
She won an Oscar when she was little.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Uh, I don't save numbers. I don't save numbers. And I think there's a part of me, it's just kind of like, I don't know, maybe it's just the part of me that's older. I've had people come and go in my life. So like, are you really going to be around for a while? Kind of thing.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
What are you talking about? It was probably one of her highest grossing films. I don't think so.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Pitch Perfect. How much money did Bumblebee make versus Pitch Perfect?
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Pull it up.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
She came in two.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
But in two... Let's combine them and see if it's still Bumblebee.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
She's literally multi-talented.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I love running to her song. I love me.
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I am picking up my stride when Hailey comes on. That's how I finish my run. I love me for me or whatever it's fucking called. And I don't need anybody else. I don't need anybody else, Hayley. No. I forgot about that song. It's a great, great song.
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Dorit, maybe?
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No, abandonment issues for sure. Um, and then, and then, you know, and so, yeah, I've, I've had some girlfriends in the past. Sorry. Um, I met their family. Sorry. Um, you know, so, you know, me, you know, uh, I met Nalia a few years back and she's like, come to Savannah for Thanksgiving. I'm like, I love my girlfriend. I want to be a good boyfriend. So I went.
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She's been around. I think what's important to remember, especially knowing that she was the high school college girlfriend, She's the one that thought she was going to get the ring.
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Maybe.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Yeah, she definitely thought she paid her dues.
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She didn't. She didn't gross $400 million.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
She wasn't in an acapella group. She was not.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
It is deaf. I see both sides.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I think she did it. There's no way.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Conveniently, it was hacked right then. That is a crazy thing. NFL fans are crazy. It's a crazy thing for her to have messaged that, knowing...
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
like what she was saying there's petty and then there's talking about brain damage yeah yes i agree with that but who's hacking someone's account to then just respond to something about the NFL followers okay NFL fans are insane NFL fans are insane we're talking about gambling we're talking about we're talking about people who have literally like bet their kids college savings they've bet their mortgage and lost husband and and now they've
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
It is highly coincidental that the timing is like, why Josh Allen's?
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I honestly wanted to hack Josh Allen's account last night after they gave him a 14-point play in fantasy football and I wanted to say something terrible and mean, but I didn't.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
But I'm just polite and quiet and I mind my business and I do my thing. I don't know if I'm going to know these people in a few years. I don't want your whole life story. I don't know. Okay.
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That's true.
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Didn't she quote unquote double down on in the comments allegedly coming from the same person who hacked her account?
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No, but there's only one comment. Then the CTE comment.
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They would be like, I don't want to do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The cast. He asked actual questions. Well, Andy's good. It'd be the podcast.
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Was it on purpose? Was it for a moment? Was it to create some noise?
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How did she defend them?
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Can't they get over it? Well, Lisa Vanderpump can't, according to... Lisa wants all of us to forgive Tom Sandoval, which, to be clear, I think people should get over that, too. Yeah, that is interesting. If she expects the cast of Vanderpump to show Tom Grace, then she should lead by example. Should she not?
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I'm only eating meatballs. I'm not fucking with Grandma's turkey. You ate the turkey this year. I had some turkey.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I do think she's a little problematic. She's more than a little problematic.
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Bring the mess on.
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Exactly. The whole audience had a strong opinion about Teddy.
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And that's what we care about.
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But it's different when you're married. You have a kid with someone. And I showed up to Thanksgiving thinking to myself... This is my brother-in-law. Like, these are my family. Like, I have family here now. So you act a little different.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I don't eat caviar. Honestly, it doesn't taste like anything. You can put the smallest bit on a cracker and just swallow it whole. You won't even know. Maybe you got to fit in. You got to fit in.
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There's going to be some big names there. She knows people.
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Because I think Crystal has moved on to doing better things.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
No.
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When she said gamers, she's talking about like big brother people, survivor people. Because they mix. They identify themselves as gamers because they go on this show and they're playing quote unquote games.
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I think it's not. I think it's what it is. It's a different show. Oh, for sure. I think you have people like Sierra who come from Bravo, Housewives, you know, Summer House, Assemble Cast, Drama, Drama, Drama. And then you have Big Brother people where it's like, guys, this is not that serious. We're playing a game here. But Bravo people, they don't play games.
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They go on there and they're attacking each other's character and then shows like us go on there and judge and have opinions and then we have Sierra and West and they break up and it's all messy and all these people are getting just hardcore criticisms from fans and then they go on to these shows where people are deliberately lying and manipulating and quote unquote stabbing people in the back and I think people like Sierra have been affected or just like Bachelor people.
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I did text her yesterday. She didn't text me back.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Yeah.
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Like when Basher people or Bravo people, you're like, you can't say shit like that because people are going to fucking hate you for this. And they're like, I think the gamers are like, we're playing a game. Calm down. You know? And I think you have two different perceptions of like what this show should be. I mean, traders is a game.
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i think the sears of the world or the people who are from bachelor world are so like traumatized by the shows that they come from they don't know how to just loosen up and just play the game so to speak for fear of you know a bad edit or fan criticisms or things like that i think the gamers are just they want to come on and play a game i don't think it's that serious
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
she's like sorry i didn't save numbers no it's different when you have like you know i was i was a loser yeah it's your family that's why he was definitely starting drama we had a family kickball game and nick was like making up rules left and right my sisters were like cussing him out it was definitely he was in the family i had to tell her sister to calm down and that was after i slipped her an edible
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
The word strategy in like Bachelor Nation.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Oh my, you might as well. You're evil.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I mean, you're a bad person.
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So, you know, so like the idea is that someone's like thinking out of the box and being strategic is like, I don't think you can do that. You're supposed to be authentic.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I think she's just very worried. I think she's going to be fine. It's triggers. It's not that big of a deal.
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I never went. I am. I don't give a shit. I don't wish them ill. Yeah, I was a little sad.
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We went once.
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And then they had cherry ketchup and I was like,
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They have nice snapbacks. Nice hats. They do have nice hats.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I don't wish them well.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Oh my gosh. She's a loyal girlfriend.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I thought you were going to ask if someone hacked Kristen Cavallari's podcast. She hacked her own podcast.
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Scott's a weapon. Yeah.
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I've heard she's got quite the roster of famous exes.
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I'm just saying. I just, I don't, just.
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I don't remember. Wow.
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I shot some guns.
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Countryman. Yeah.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
No, not yet. Okay. Yeah.
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We're going to watch the first episode. We'll give it a shot. We will judge it. We will probably not like it at first. I swear to God, if Lisa comes in and pretends this isn't a TV show and fake fires her cast, I'm going to be so fucking pissed. Well, she's the only one that's staying. Everybody's gone except her.
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We shot some guns. My brother-in-law.
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I just do not need Lisa Vanderpump's mentorship.
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How is this different than Vanderpump Villa?
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John. Uh-huh. The doctor. I was like, John, can I shoot some guns? And he's like, he talks like this. He's from the mountains.
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You say that every time. He's from the mountains.
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I know him as the mountain man at this point.
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And I love that she announced it the same, like, right around the time they announced Vanderpump being canceled.
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He talks like this.
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I don't believe in coincidences. Really? I believe that Kristen rose from the ashes and is now... She did. A phoenix.
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And he showed me his gun with a night scope on it. He's like, let's go. And they have all this property. And we went and went at night to shoot some guns. And he's like, well, if we shoot a possum. And I'm like, John, I just want to shoot a gun. I am not prepared to take life tonight.
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I was very optimistic about the valley.
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Adults in their 30s with kids still trying to make it in LA. That's good.
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I already forgot that. Yeah, come on. Janet. She's no longer pregnant.
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This is the big leagues, Janet.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
So Jessie posted their DMs. I would have been like, thumbs up, white heart. Yas, queen say. Two hands up. Congrats.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
No, that's all we did. Yeah.
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Maybe... Did Taylor just reveal herself to have all these ladies muted on Instagram? So maybe she didn't see their comments.
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Maybe.
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He's a hunter. So good times. Good times over the holidays.
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Just mom talk adjacent?
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I think we could. Maybe.
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Beverly Hills.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
So far, so good with this season. I'm drawn in. I'm entertained.
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It's strong. It's strong. It looks good though. It's strong or it's true.
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I don't know. I definitely would not without your permission. Just kidding, absolutely not.
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And I was definitely team Dorit versus in the flashback where Kyle tried to bring up a fight where Dorit- So stupid. And that was clearly made up.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I'm already obsessed. She's a baddie.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
And her story, oh my God. Again, everything parent-related, it touches me differently. Was it her husband? Yeah. Do we know how he passed? He had terminal cancer.
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Yeah, but like, yeah, just as a young father, her child, you know. Anyways, that's real loss right there.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
But, like, that's a real housewife right there.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
She put gold on her food. Yeah, where are my lovely indoor slippers?
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Oh, you're one of those. But I don't have lovely indoor slippers.
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I need new slippers.
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I need new indoor slippers.
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Are you going to make me take out the trash?
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
You have to put on your outside slippers. Can you give me? Yes. So then I need. Keyword, make me take out the trash.
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Shoes off. We try to be a shoes off household.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
She's very positive. I hate false humility.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I find it disgusting. If you've earned it, if you made it to the top, if you are a baddie, then be a baddie. Like, you don't have to brag about it. You don't walk into every room and be cocky, but like, you don't have to apologize for your success. Yes. And she is certainly successful.
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Fine, but either way, she doesn't. I don't need her to have some moral virtue or whatever in order to be proud of her accomplishments.
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Is it Bose?
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I'm going to tell you right now. It's not going to be it.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Not because I'm saying no, but I know we're going to come up with a better name.
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The same way, the same way, you know, we liked, you know, Elliot Rose. And it was like, you know, it's good, it's good, it's good, let's let it marinate. But this is just step one.
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I could be wrong, but.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I, yes.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
No. It's a direction.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Oh.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
loser yeah like that's kind of what you need maybe laughs i mean mo taking down a picture of him and kyle and putting up a picture of him and his dancing with the stars partner emma is a choice and do you remember all of the like scuffle with that where they were seen outside holding hands together and all that where i'm like so that was like a direct punch to the gut and it was around the separation i'm sorry mo i i don't like oh it was such a memorable experience come on bro
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You're a multi-million dollar power entrepreneur of one of the largest real estate agencies in the world. You've been on TV for the better part of a decade. Act as if, Mo. You know what I'm saying?
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And this wasn't a picture of Moe in one of the many photographs that ABC will take while Moe would be performing. Not a PR shot. It wasn't a PR. It wasn't like, this is me literally dancing on a dance floor. What a cool moment of my life. No, this was like a... Look at us. We're cute together. Photo that he decided to frame.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Is this for TV? Is this all? It's TV.
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He was just keeping it real.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I made a beef brisket, turned out.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Yeah. I'm on a team Kyle on this one. I think it's it comes from a bit of privilege, if you want to call it that, because they give we're so rich. We're both going to be rich after we get divorced. Right. Yeah. And we have kids and they seem to have raised a really grounded, healthy family, despite all of the mess they have immersed their family in.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
It seems like they've raised a really great family and they seem to be still be able to prioritize their family and even each other in this very public divorce situation. And, yeah, I'm with Kyle, who's just like, don't bring my family down into every other divorce and messiness. That's not us.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I don't think Kyle's stupid. I think she's very calculated, and she knows what she's doing. I think they're all going to be well taken care of. I think everything's going to be fine. I'm sure there's already an understanding. Kyle and Mo very much give, especially if we even suspect for a second that this Dancing with the Stars photo is a bit like of a prop for 4TV.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I think they know how to make good TV. And I think they're professionals. And I think they're able to set very certain boundaries when it comes to reality versus reality TV. And yeah, I'm with Kyle. I don't think she needs to be taking divorce advice from Sutton.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Yeah. And I think Kyle understands her position more than Sutton understands her position. That's true. I don't think Kyle's coming from a place of delusion and denial like a lot of people who are getting divorced come from, understandably so. I think Kyle's very in the know and very part of her storyline. Like I don't think anything, nothing is an accident with Kyle.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
You took a break.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Kyle?
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Everyone's sitting around. I will say, I was talking to another brother-in-law, and I was like, this family? So you start talking about the family. You know, you start talking a little shit.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
like no and it's just like i do that is sad like her life has changed so much and porsche is like older now too porsche is that's so grown it is crazy every time i'm like sophia no porsche she looks like she was such a little baby i don't think people like kyle for example i mean that would be like us you know nanny and i again we're in our first we're literally our honeymoon phase of our relationship our marriage our first year we
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had a baby we got wedding it's all wonderful and I'm sure we'll have peaks and valleys in our relationship but like yeah it'd be like fast forward 25 30 years I'm dead no yeah because she killed you for finishing this sentence I see and you know what if you know yeah and like we're right now we are imagining having more kids and like grandchildren and blah, blah, blah.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
And it's fun to fantasize about our future. I very much doubt Kyle and Mo fantasized about like, yeah, in 25 years, I'm going to be dating these younger women. And Kyle's going to be like, I'm going to be dating someone else. And like, you don't imagine what Kyle's going through. She has never imagined for herself. You don't imagine that for yourself to be like for your kids to move out.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
The debrief. Like this family loves to sit around and let hot food get cold.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
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Vicki, you're calling from the beach. Recording in progress.
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We owe you?
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How do we owe you, Vicki?
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Oh, well, didn't we have this booked in the calendar for like weeks?
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And who's they?
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I don't have makeup on either, Vicky.
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We're happy you're here. Yeah.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Oh, okay. Did you have a good Thanksgiving?
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Is he okay?
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
All right. Get off motorcycles for sure.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Well, how much time you got, Vicki?
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Yeah. I need to talk to her. Yeah. Okay. Well, we appreciate you. Yeah.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Should we talk some OC housewives? Sure. Okay. How did you feel about the season ending?
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Yeah, but they just sit around and let this food go cold. And it was like, what is going on with this family? You're a family man.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
So Tamara was remarkably quiet at the reunion, given how loud she was throughout the season. Do you think maybe she got that memo or maybe even from you? Do you think she is deciding to change course or what? What do you make of her her quietness or silence at the reunion?
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
You're a family. My family. Yeah, well, I'm starting to make some changes. I'm starting to throw my weight around.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Yeah, could you? Or a rug. Yeah, they look really quite nice.
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Listen, either way, I'm family now. Mm-hmm.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Was it maybe just to make TV?
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Vicky Gunvalson, everybody. For a little context, we had Vicky book, like what? Win layout? Walk us through...
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
We do appreciate her calling in from Mexico.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Okay.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Do you think Alexis and John Jay are really those people who they present to be?
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Yeah, I don't care. I don't care what happens that night.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Thanksgiving was over. This was a baby shower.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
He's a weak man. That's why. I mean, that's it.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
That's incredible. I mean, him going on and what was it? Extra or some bullshit he did over the weekend.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Two years ago. This was the first thing. Last year? That wasn't last year. It was a baby shower. Not your baby shower. It was Cole and Katie's baby shower. No, it was Cole and Katie's wedding thing. Wedding shower. Whatever. Their wedding. And this was my first Thanksgiving with the family. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they had a Sunday dessert stand.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
literally and then by the way johnny j don't forget to put it on your excel spreadsheet that you helped a lot so vicky i can't help but wonder why aren't you on tv more after you know because you are entertaining
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Well, as a humble Bravo fan, I just want to say, Vicki, you haven't lost your fastball. And I think I like to speak for my audience. We're all very entertained in this moment. So we would love you back.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Can I talk to your boyfriend for a second, quick? Are you from OC? Are you like from the area?
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Oh, okay. All right, go Texas. What's your opinion about some of these men from OC being very litigious or riding the coattails of more powerful women?
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
And this was after Thanksgiving where I was told the children go first.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Likewise. Likewise.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Diet Coke. Okay.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I was made aware of a rule. And they brought out the ice cream. I waited at least three minutes.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
No one went up. And I'm like, I can be done in 30 seconds. Why am I waiting for the little ones to go up? They're not going up.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Well, you said people.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Yeah, I can imagine they would not be down for that.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
What did we miss? Like, give us give us the Vicki storyline. Produce OC for us.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Either or, what would you have done differently if you were running OC this season?
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Time to go. No one died.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
They do.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Okay. Well, I'll make sure I'm in Mexico. All right. Okay.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Ice cream melts, people. Valuable lesson for the kiddos.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Thank you. I grew up with many siblings. If we didn't rush to the line, it might not be there when you get there.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
She never did.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
There's no breath. I love her. Incredible. Vicky, thank you. Thank you.
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Hey, Salt Lake City.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I would initially think that means a lot, but Brittany reads all her comments.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I respect she's out there dating. The only thing that's really hard to swallow when it comes to Brittany is the admission of her prioritizing her dating life over her children.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
which it's kind of like it gives kind of yucky when you think about it in those contexts it's kind of like girl really it's just your kids she acknowledges her guilt though that doesn't make it that actually makes it worse yeah true yeah she's like oh my god I'm like so like don't care about my kids like fuck boy too
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I want to make it clear, I love her. I missed her on my television. She is an exceptional addition to this franchise. The fact that her and Bronwyn, who I also obviously love for different reasons, to replace Monica, we didn't think Monica was replaceable. We were sad to see Monica go.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
And quite honestly, no disrespect to Monica, like Brittany and Browen have absolutely carried and done their part to make this season enjoyable because of their quality performances. But like Browen is like no bullshit. She's real. She keeps it real. She admits fault. She's always like calling herself out for her messiness. That's everything that Lisa is not.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
But she does. That's actually a pretty good impression. You got her head bob down.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
And between bites, I'm like, getting for a breath.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
It was a great Thanksgiving.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Now, before we get into the headlines, I hope Mr. Joshua is okay with us telling the story. Now that we're coming back from the farm, what a beautiful weekend once again. We arrive in L.A. We had to check a bag because we have a baby now. I only say that because, like, you should never check a bag unless you don't have to check a bag.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
it's like saying dislike or hate i guess my point is all these housewives do that and then they decide which ones they're not down for and can and can't and it's very much gives again the whole like mean girl we're the ogs we decide what like we're gonna argue about and what's righteous and what's not and i feel like they've decided to like not give bra they're this is them trying to put bra when in their place they're hazing her yeah but whitney and braun when we're we're close i
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Yeah, I get that. But in general, I think they think Bronwyn's getting too much hype or too much.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I think Browen's standing, showing up, so to speak, to this season and not acting like the new person. She's not acting like she can't stand on her own. And she's not like trying to make alliances to protect herself.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
And I think the Lisa and the Heathers of the world are like, this is not how we roll.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
And this is them trying to put her in her place. Yeah. Because that's the thing. Of course, the mess is irrelevant. They're all messy. And in these scenes and these events they do, once they sit down after they're doing, whether it's paintballing, whether it's Girl Scouts, whether it's hang gliding, it's all just an appetizer for let's sit down and talk shit. Icebreaker.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
And now that Browen's talking her shit, and again, yeah, she's messy, but they are hazing her. They are definitely like this, get in line. They're mean-girling her, for sure.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Yeah, exactly.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
And I only say that because our friend recently... Anyways, I'm getting off topic. I'm getting off topic.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
They are so confident that you're going to love your mattress. They give you 100 night sleep trial and all their mattresses come with a 10 to 15 year warranty depending on the mattress. But none of that matters. You're going to get it. You're going to be obsessed with it. You're going to be so thankful. You're going to be like, thank you, Nick, for finally convincing me to get a Helix mattress.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Anyways, we checked a couple bags. We walked down to Baggage Claim, and we walk out of the tunnel, and there he is, very, very cruel intentions, top of an escalator. You know what I'm talking about, Sierra. Mm-hmm.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Yeah. These are insane.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
that legalized fucking drugs that are being given to our kids because in its how accessible adderall these are just prescribed drugs that are now just easy to get for all these kids in middle school high school that's so fucked up no my heart like broke for her when he said that he was taking 10 30 milligram oxys and i was like that's and not feeling anything legalized prescription drugs
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I don't think there's a time when he's not.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
It was clear that all she wanted to do was help her son. And she was doing whatever she thought was best in that moment. And like, no parent is perfect. And like, you know, you saw Mary recognize whatever fault she played into this. Yeah. But obviously this is a much deeper issue. Like I think it's terrifying as a young parent how like you can have the best intentions in the world.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
But like whether it's every kid having a phone, all these accessible drugs out there, legal drugs. These aren't like you don't have to find a drug dealer anymore for your kids to get fucking what is the equivalent of heroin, Oxycontin. Like all you have to do is find a friend whose parent recently had surgery.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Like, it's that fucking easy. And that's fucking terrifying. And that's fucked up. And so, yeah, Mary is like all the criticisms about exploitation and things like that. You know, I think there's times in which parents are clearly exploiting their kids on these shows. Mary is literally fearing for her son's life. That is obvious and evident. And she's doing whatever she thinks is best.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Looking just dapper and dressed up and handsome.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
And then she is bringing awareness to a very serious problem that like we're not paying enough attention to as a society and as a country. And it should not be OK that these drugs are so readily available for kids to abuse and use. Not even kids for like they're just prescribing fucking heroin to adults who have like fallen off a ladder and ruining people's lives. It's so fucked.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
And I'm like, is that Joshua Jackson? And he's like, yes.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
yeah all right well what an episode what an episode we want to give a big thank you to vicky regardless of whatever she thinks of us or our show um it was beautiful we appreciate you don't ever change vicky you're a gem uh all right we'll see you back on thursday bye
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
But then it simultaneously broke my heart.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I'm in my new dad era, obviously. I just had Thanksgiving with the family. Holidays, being a new father, it hits different. All the little traditions and little moments that as an adult, you're like, I don't know. I'm not a kid anymore. I don't appreciate this. When you have a kid, you're back in it. It's awesome. It's lovely. You're just a family. Being a family over the holidays is just...
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
It's a great feeling. And it broke my heart that like, obviously relationships end, people get divorced, it happens. But like for any parent out there that didn't get to spend the holidays with their child because they share custody, I just, my heart goes out to them.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I mean, it was, I mean, beautiful to see him just being this father and it was such an endearing moment, but it also simultaneously kind of broke my heart. I just, I really felt for him. But anyways, so. For all the parents out there who didn't get to spend the holidays with their kids and wish they could, you know, my heart goes out to you. But anyways, Joshua Jackson, great father.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
He looks hot. He looked hot. He looked very good. Very hot. Very, very hot. Yeah. We do have the very iconic Vicki Gunvalson, supposedly joining us later this episode. It's been unclear. We did have her booked for a couple weeks, and then when there was some message exchanged over the holiday weekend that she may or may not be available, I'm not sure.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
But we have been told that she is now going to Zoom in. So we'll see. We'll see if Vicki shows up. Unclear. Hopefully she does. We are excited to talk to her, though.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
No.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
What I did watch maybe a hundred times, thousands, I don't know how many times, the clips from the press tour of Wicked, which I am obsessed with.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
The crying. All of it. All of it. The holding space. And then like, really? That's what I really wanted. And then the interviewer was like, well, I mean, I saw a couple clips. I talked to my friends.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
It seems like the self-importance of them. I mean, listen, they are so talented.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
incredibly talented so unbelievably talented and when it comes to people who can sing like that every time they open their mouths and sing it does take my breath away without question I think if you watch the movie though you would understand the importance of it I think you would feel moved and you would want to move with them and the acting in it is unparalleled like honestly I don't doubt it but like they are crying over their own performances which is a bit out of touch I mean you can tell that they I understand it I get it you're a huge fan
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
You can tell they bonded.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
No, no, I get it. You guys are... I now understand it. I walked into the office and you guys were singing middle... Like, I get it. You're huge fans.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I'm not trying to take away your love for the show. It's just... You're not holding space for it. I'm not holding space for it.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I'm sure it's going to be quite good.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
As someone who doesn't like musicals, I'm sure I will enjoy this film because it's so good.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
One.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I went to Rent.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
It wasn't for me.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I think we're in a new era of celebrity. And I think the old-fashioned press tours, they'll still do them, but they're going to continue to get mocked the way that they are. I think nowadays, I think media is changing.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
And I think what we do here, podcasts, for all the jokes that people talk about podcasts in general and things like that, I think the new celebrity is to go on these long, the new playbook is going to continue to be pushed towards shows like ours, quite frankly. And if you can't sit down and have a real conversation with normies like us, so to speak,
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
There's going to be a level of disconnect and mistrust and like, you know what? You're a celebrity, but we have nothing in common. You can sing. You're amazing. You're super talented, but we're not the same people unless people can go on and show that you're a real human being. And I do think that's the shit. You have to come on our show.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Anyways, let's get Joel's thoughts and that's up next. This episode of The Thought Files is sponsored by BetterHelp. Listen, people, we get it. Listen, therapy can be inconvenient. It can be pricey.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
That's join, J-O-I-N-B-I-L-T dot com slash V-I-A-L. Make sure to use our URL so they know we sent you. Joinbuilt.com slash V-I-A-L to sign up for Built today. Joel, welcome to the Vile Files. Oh my God. Thank you so much for having me. We're so excited. We're all very big fans of you here.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Give it to me. Let me have it. No, no.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
You know, I would have loved to see you there because I would have really loved your opinion whether you've seen any any growth from Tom, any maturity, what you thought about their relationship. I thought it was really interesting.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick, and boy, every week just gets better and better because, boy, we have a jam-packed week lined up for you this week.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
No, listen, we had just met Shannon, and we were coming off of that season with Shannon. She had an amazing season. I was triggered by John Jansen every episode. I think I was just having my girls back. Listen, like I said, I...
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
How about that?
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Plus, we got a jam-packed episode on Thursday of Reality Recap, so be sure to tune in to that. Next week gets even better, guys. I'm telling you. So... Temptation Island Reunion. Thank you guys. Obviously, I hope you guys all enjoyed it. It was a fun ride. For all the people who were hoping that Breon and Shantae were there, so do we. Honestly, I think it kind of worked out. It was a full room.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Well, I'm sorry that that happened. But at the same time, if it was going to happen on any show, to any group of people, I feel like you will survive this.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
joel and i made up we're best friends you have to you have to watch it now yeah adding you back to the wedding invite list well kind of to your point i mean it's just like i obviously had a reactive reaction and and said some harsh things in the heat of the moment of having our girls back you said some harsh things in the heat of a moment we've all said you know it's like sometimes you need to apologize for shit and move on you know um it's where do you and shannon stand today
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
oh, that was a good apology. Thank you. I'm over it. No one. Everyone's like, oh, an apology. Let's pick it apart.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Shannon's had to ask for grace before too. She has said and done things that, well, we've also been hard on her too.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
You know, we only had about three hours of recording time with them. I tell you what, though, you understand why when you hear about how those like Bravo reunions go and they take like hours and hours of film. I mean, we were pretty efficient. Like we were really going. The conversation was, I mean, it was fast paced. There was really no like.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
I will say, like, as someone who, like, if Natalie would have been like, hey, let's go to her card house, I would have been like, great, awesome. I'm so glad, like, once the wedding got done, it was like, it was so worth it. Like, you really, I was like, because I was the person who was like, fine, more, fine, fine, fine. And then it was like, it was magical.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Yes.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Listen, I'm very appreciative of all the cast who showed up. I mean, none of them had to go. They all put themselves out there and put themselves in clearly a very uncomfortable situation. So we very much appreciate all them. And yeah, I mean, listen, it was interesting to hear all their perspectives. You know, when you meet them in person, it's hard not to, you know, to humanize them.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
I did not expect how much I'd enjoy saying my wife.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Fiance sucks. Fiance sucks. I hate it.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Ugh.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Did you see the Watch What Happens live appearance of Craig, Shep, and Austin? I missed that one, unfortunately. Have you seen some clips? Do we have some clips for Joel? He once again really gets into the relationship.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
The only reason I would disagree with that, because, yes, I mean, from all our perspectives, watching these shows and this relationship with the benefit of the Bravo callback. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, it's so easy to nitpick and pull calls with the hindsight of 2020. But when Craig says, I didn't see any signs, I believe him. You know what I'm saying?
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Thank you.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Like you meet them and like they're charming sides to all of them. You know, they may all have things to work on.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Thank you. Thank you.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Thank you. Thank you.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Thank you. Thank you.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Yeah, he's an emotional guy. I hope that Grant, and he does think he has more to work on. There's just a little bit of like for Grant, because it's like these past six months, he's like worked really hard, you know? And I think for anyone who's maybe, it was some bare minimum stuff.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
I think, I understand it was maybe hard for him, but like the way he was describing how meaningful that period of time was where he just wasn't cheating on Ashley. Yeah. My wish for Grant is that he keeps working on himself and he expects a little bit more of himself going forward.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
As far as Breon and Shantae have it all, yeah, I mean, my same questioning that I would have asked him was similar to Grant's. It's just like I empathize with his upbringing, his childhood, but it's just like that seemed to be shown to us as a way to feel sorry for him about his decisions in the house. It's like...
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
I'm reminded how disgusting my body is anytime I sit on the bed. I'm like, oh my God, what are you doing?
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Outside clothes. It makes sense. I mean, it does. It does. She's not your airplane outfit.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Have you ever had your toes sucked for 37 minutes?
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
we can still empathize with Breon's childhood and still hold him accountable for how he was or wasn't as a boyfriend. And I still don't really understand why checking a threesome off your list is such a thing for him and his ability to victimize himself. I would have loved some clarity, but
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
This week we have Joel Kim Booster joining us momentarily this episode along with your happy couple Grant and Juliana to talk about their new relationship, their fallout from the AFR. Thoughts on Letia's comments? The diss video that Carolina Grant had a video popped up, came down. What's going on? There are so many burning questions. And then tomorrow, get ready.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
a lot of attention. It's like, would you rather have the person you've been hanging out with for three weeks watch a threesome for 37 minutes? Let's assume that's all he did. Yeah. He just stood there and watched with popcorn. Right. Would that be cheating? Like, if you watched, if you just sat there in the front row seat?
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Is there a conversation there?
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Yeah. Like we have that on record.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Okay, well, so let's assume he only did watch, and I doubt he did, but would that be harder to Joel's point than watching him talk to this beautiful person and to say like, I've kind of always had a thing for you and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Did Lexi put out a statement or a story? I kind of felt like.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Haven't they just blurred faces in the past?
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
You know what I want to know watching Summer House? Who ends up at these parties? Do you get an invite? Is it like Summer House weekend soiree?
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Yeah. Usually they're stage parties. Oh, for sure. And if you, like, zoom out, you realize it's just those people.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Crickets. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Awful.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Yes. Are you team Sutton or is it justice for Sutton or are you more like finally we're calling out Sutton?
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
You should check it out. Shantae was going to come. For a moment, we thought it was going to be nine of them. And then we had heard that she had opted out because of optics, like she didn't want to come without Breon, who apparently couldn't get off because of work purposes. But we heard they tried. So that's just what we heard. how accurate that is or isn't, we don't know.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Well, you're right. I mean, the writing is on the wall for everyone to kind of turn on. Like, you know, this is Kyle's season. She's taking a little bit of a beating, but not even that much. But it's Kyle. She never gets a beating. And Garcelle kind of has gone for Kyle. So I could see next season all of a sudden.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
At least someone said it. We know that Garcelle isn't the only one in that group who suspects foul play when it comes to Dorit's breaking.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
But anyways, be sure to check it out wherever you listen to podcasts. You can certainly watch it on YouTube as well. It is a spectacle. And I'm glad you all, for those of you who did watch, I'm glad you guys all very much enjoyed it. What is going on with Justin Bieber?
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
It has a really good comparison. Yeah.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
I mean, there's a level of when you're to do what those ladies do. It's like, do I need this in my life? The drama, the messiness, like just the toxicity. Yeah. It's not for everyone.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
We really missed out on a Dorit date of some kind.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
but I want to see, I want to see Kyle go on a date with some guy or, or, or I want to see the single life. I want to see, or to read.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
I've never seen a housewife I agree with unanimously.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Mary?
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Like the housewife.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Yeah.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
It's like, yeah, we had her back.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
When's the release date? April 27. Okay.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
And we will get to see these women, like, kind of open up about their love lives and dating lives.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
True, but in fairness to you, you are a budding young... Full of potential, young person.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
When you're working with these women, is it almost a little... Because they say some real direct... And they're professionals. They're out there and they're slinging grenades. Is it almost kind of confusing to... how you're supposed to engage with them in a way? Does that make sense?
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
She is a position of immense power and influence with a very dedicated and influential audience. And she's out there just winging it.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
That's awesome. Joel, this has been so much fun. Yeah. Thank you for coming. Thank you for having me. Can we come back? Yeah, absolutely. I love that.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
We love y'all. Up next, we got Grant and Juliana.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
There is that.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Joel, what a lovely human. I'm glad we were able to work out your differences. I didn't feel like, you know, as he pointed out, I was very hard on him. Harsh, even. He had some harsh things to say about Shannon and I didn't feel like we needed to beat a dead horse. He seems like he regrets saying it, clearly.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Well, I'm excited to watch Love Hotel.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
And it's like, you know, I think they've squashed the beef, but it doesn't seem like Shannon and it's clear that Shannon and Joe will not.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Well, if Shannon, sure, I wouldn't. But it does seem like Joe, I don't know what happened, but I think he very much regrets saying what he said, but it sounds like he does have his reasons, you know? Maybe. I'm curious what those reasons are.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Well, up next, we have Grant and Juliana to talk about where they are at in their love journeys as their fires still burn as strong as ever. Have the comments of Latia from AFR brought trouble to paradise? We will find out next. All right. Well, welcome, Juliana and Grant. Is there trouble in paradise already? You guys aren't calling from the same spot. Do we need to talk about it? No.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Well, first, we just want to start by saying congrats to you both on a happy ending. And by happy ending, I mean an engagement. Yeah. Very happy for you both. What has it been like? I mean, obviously, you know, so wait, AFR was a week ago. It's like your first week in civilization. It's a weird feeling. I know. What has it been like this past week?
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
It worked for you guys. Juliana, obviously, as the winner of the season, you're in a very difficult position. I think a lot of people often maybe take for granted or don't even just fully appreciate because, you know, they think winner, you know, so you won the show, you're in love, but like...
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
The winner's often kind of alienated from the rest of the group sometimes because, you know, they don't know how to engage with the winner and every other woman or man from their respective season can relate to being broken up with by the lead except for the winner. There's a competition element to it. So what has this been experienced like for you watching it back?
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Obviously, it's never easy in your position, but it seemed like you understand what some of the things I'm saying. What are some of the challenges? What's it been like in your shoes?
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Allie Jo. Why, why did we bring that? Did Allie Jo say something?
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
What are the chances? Because like when Nellie and I first we first we got a dog and then it was like, oh, you know, these dogs really come in handy. We want to leave a party early. You know, it's like, oh, we got dogs. boy, those dogs, ugh, they get you every time. And then when we had a daughter, it was like, ugh, we got a daughter. We have to go home. And it's like, ugh, the kids are so hard.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Or are there any other comments out there in particular that hurt your feelings?
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Yeah. So when they said that to you, it almost felt like it was implied not only they were there to support Latia, but they weren't necessarily there to support you and Grant.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Yeah. You know, Grant, you're obviously, we've met you a few times. You've had you on before. You know how I thought of you as the bachelor. I thought you were an excellent bachelor, incredibly empathetic. I think you should be very proud of yourself for how you handled it. AFR, you know, obviously we anticipated the finale.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
We knew, you know, even from episode one that quote unquote, you had such a hard time picking the finale, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. As someone, I mean, no one knows what it's like to be in Latia's shoes more than me. I was in it literally twice. So like I, I empathize where she's at.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
I know what it's like at the same time, you know, like, you know, again, trust me, like being in her position, I remember being like, but you said this and what the fuck was that? And I can't believe this happened. And And you really feel like you are justified to be not only angry, but like have basically bachelor nation, have your back.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Cause you really feel kind of screwed over at this, at the same time, this is the show, you know? And I remember once I became the bachelor, uh, having a lot more empathy for the ladies whose season I was on, you know, and realizing the position they were in.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
And, you know, when it's just your journey and everyone has their journey on this show, Latia, Juliana, you had a journey, you know, obviously, you know, your feelings feel that much more validated and important than anyone else's. That all being said, Grant,
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
As you reflected back on AFR and what Latia said or implied, more importantly, was there anything in particular or specifically that you might have said to her on or off camera, and I think maybe more off camera, that you maybe wish you would have taken back or thought, you know, yeah, maybe I was the bad shirt and yeah, I was doing my job, but I...
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Yeah, I guess I see I could have done without that or this or yada, yada, yada. Or do you feel like it was like you really did your best? Obviously, there's other people in your head telling you what to say or suggesting you should do this or do that. And no real regrets.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
So it's a really great get out of jail free card. Any chance that her friends have been kind of Like, oh, that damn kid of ours. Oh, it's so tough. And they're like, yeah, sorry, Chapel, we can't come to your party or we have to leave early. And they keep blaming it on their kids. And maybe Chapel's perception of her friends with kids or it's just like they never can hang out with me.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Thank you.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Yeah, because they keep blaming it on their kids.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
You think that's maybe it?
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Thank you.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Thank you.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Thank you. Thank you.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
I will say Chapel has a really... great ability to make being famous sound like really hard work you know like her plight of a celebrity she's like comparing it to like some real blue collar work there I think people also are it's not blue collar work
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Yeah. I'm getting the sense from you that you're, what you're surprised by is it almost feels like, and correct me if I'm wrong, that whatever Latia has been saying or doing with some of the other girls from the cast, it, it feels like maybe she is, um,
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
kind of i don't know like does it feel a little mean girlish almost in a way where like some of the other girls are i don't know feel like they have to have her back and can't be friends with you and there seems to be like talk going on behind the scenes so to speak is that that that's the sense i'm getting from you is that does that feel accurate
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
It's a very special Going Deeper, one that's been in the works, I think, for the better part of a year. Tom Sandoval. Returned to the vile files following his what many call the most talked about maybe episode of the vile files of all time when Tom first graced us with his photograph of a tiger. Was he on time? You'll have to find out. Anyways, that is tomorrow.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
It makes a lot of sense. It's a weird time you're going through right now, both of you. I say this to every Bachelor contestant, because right now I don't think people know, like, it's such a high school environment, the show in general. Obviously, you guys know that being in the house and even post-show.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
You know, listen, the reality is, I'm sure you felt it, like whether they went home night one,
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
or they were the runner up everyone's trying to make the most of this experience you know they just they just are whether they're putting out a diss track or not they're all trying to make the most of it right um and then so now that they're trying to make the most of it you know they're trying to fit whose coattails can they ride right they can't ride you guys are in love you know and like latia needs like a group so to speak and i always say like you don't really know who your friends are from this show until a
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Friendships are based off of mutually beneficial moments. Who's interests best align with mine? And that's how people are making and deciding to be friends. The dust will settle. People will go out. They'll go to their influencer trips. They'll be invited to all these things. You'll figure out who you're friends with and who you're not friends with. There'll be fallouts and things like that.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
And if you're still friends with someone a year after filming, then you know it's real. Before that, it's all for show. It's all it's all bullshit. It's all fake. And they don't even realize it. You know, they don't even realize who their real friends are because they're so all consumed by making the most of this experience that they they think it's all sincere and genuine.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
I only know that because I was a part of it. I know I realize that I made the same mistakes and same choices. My judgment was also clouded in various similar ways. So try not to take it personally. They literally I don't think realize what they're doing.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
They just want to use your name, man. Right. Like everyone, Grant, everyone's going to be like, yeah.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
you know, this was a huge experience for them. It went, however it went, you know, and they're going to try to squeeze every juice out of that lemon, you know, and, and you're the, and you're the person they're going to try to squeeze the most.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Well, also, you guys have the benefit of coming together through this, right? Nothing makes a relationship stronger than feeling like you guys have to have each other's backs. You do in general, but this is a...
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
It's always worse online, especially when it's about you, because even if you're not looking for it, you have family members and friends sending you shit you don't want to see. But I can tell you, as someone who has a more obviously distant perspective of this story, who's not personally involved, Grant, I don't think anyone really cares about
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
the breakup you know and i don't i think everyone's just kind of happy for you guys no one's really talking about afr you know what i'm saying like i really think more people are i think more people are talking about come on now than anything other listen i catch myself saying it sometimes too i get it yeah man just enjoy the experience anything you guys want to leave us with before we let you go i don't think so no i think i'm good i think it's good
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
You're one of the great ones, Grant. I really respect the hell out of you. You're a really great guy, man. And that's more important than being a great bachelor, which I also thought that you were. But I hope that you had a good experience. I think you should be really proud of how you handled yourself. That's just my opinion for whatever it's worth. And I'm really excited for the both of you.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
You seem really happy and wishing you both nothing but the best going forward.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Take care.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Ooh.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
And this seems more than usual. It usually doesn't happen this way. It doesn't always happen where there's a bit of a rift between the final two.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
It really is tough. And it's just my critics, my, my critique of Latia's performance was that she kind of suggested she was going to bring some receipts and then she really didn't. And receipts aren't your feelings. Well, your receipts aren't your story. Receipts are receipts. Like your story is usually backed up by receipts.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
And she just brought her version of events, which more than entitled to do. And,
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Listen, my critique is she seemed to come for him and his character, the person, rather than saying, that really hurt me. I know you're a good person. Especially after time had passed, she came into AFR kind of wanting to put a dent in his brand or his likability or...
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
I mean, sure. But again, I just this is she's a part of a show that is it's a choice. All I'm saying, it's a choice for her to have all this time passed. Right. To maybe get a little insight in the show aspect of what happened. Let the dust settle. and then still kind of come for his throat.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
And not only that, according to Juliana, seem to have some of their peers have to take a side rather than being like, hey, listen, I get you're upset.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
But Latia, all I'm saying is Latia did, she was coming for Grant at AFR.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
We've seen different versions. We have seen more gracious, more like, and listen, I love the drama. I love that like, hey, it was good TV. I was hoping for it. But like she wanted the sympathy and she wanted to leave a mark. She did. She wanted to leave a mark. And it's more like other than feeling let on,
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
What did he do that justifies the last impression you want us to have of Grant being a bad one?
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Sure, but there's her feelings, and then, again, there's a TV aspect of the show where, like, she is entitled to whatever she wants, but if she kind of... It was a choice she made. And Julianna feels a certain way.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Not entirely, but I do think that as time passed... she could have been a little more gracious. Maybe. You don't think so?
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
I think I'm more... It's some of the other... I think she went a step further than just say, hey, that really hurt my feelings. I felt led on. I wish that didn't happen. And what do you have to say? And then Grant came out and was like, hey, I have to own that. I'm really sorry, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then she still came for him again.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
And like, I think she wanted to leave a mark, literally. I think she wanted Bachelor Nation to take her side and think less of Grant. And that is a choice she made.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Well, I can completely empathize with how she felt, why she felt the way that she felt, and her justification for it.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
As time passes, she will realize that her intentions were more malicious than she realizes.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
That's what I think. I could be wrong. But I think it was less about him and more about her. That's what I think.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Is there going to be more fallout from this? Because it really seems like there are some bad feelings.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Well, thanks for listening. We are back tomorrow with an explosive Going Deeper with none other than Tom Sandoval and his lady, Victoria Lee Robinson. All that tomorrow and so much more going forward. We'll see you then. Bye-bye.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
She did. She mentioned remembering to eat being like a real chore.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
I actually don't have a problem with her saying shit to say shit. It is long. It is chapel. Doesn't come for anyone else for saying shit.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
You know?
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
If you want to be goofy and messy, I'm like, ah, you know, go be goofy and messy and ah, but you don't, you do not get to criticize others.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
She's super fun.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Of course not.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Yeah.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Also, his lady, his girlfriend, his woman.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
The amount of songs that I haven't fully listened to the lyrics that I love.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
That's kind of Heidi's Some Love.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
It's not that deep is really the answer to that.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Oh, it's definitely not that deep. But Justin, I am a little concerned about his internet engagement. He's trolling. Deactivate the account. And that's fine if he's trolling, but what if he's not?
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
His girlfriend. His lover.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
He was very kind to us at a Christmas party.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
He seems super sweet, yeah. Very sweet.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
Like a real pleasure. He's a good person.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
His partner. His girlfriend. His lover. Victoria is also with us, and it's a nice little glimpse into their relationship. I think many of you will be very interested in what Tom has to say. I think you should be very excited to hear this episode. I was very excited to sit with him. It is just me. Natalie was not feeling well when that was going on.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
People were worried about me?
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
I'm not playing dumb. I do not remember that. But, you know, when River was born.
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
all right up next joel kim booster joins us to talk about his new project love hotel also get into a little bravo with us as well i'm curious if he has been watching summer house the craig the craig uh appearance with his his bros on watch what happens live was um interesting i will say craig right now thinks he's winning this breakup yeah which is interesting
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E910 - Joel Kim Booster, Grant & Juliana, Temptation Island, Summer House, Southern Charm, RHOBH & RHOA
I think Paige thought she was winning it before. I think the real winner of this breakup will eventually be the person who stops talking about it. First. First, yeah.
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E876 - Heidi Montag & Spencer Pratt, Olivia Holt, Rachael Speaks, Bachelor Grant’s Music & 6min Voice Memos
Heidi, you know what they say. Mr. Worldwide. God closes the door to open the window. LA, one love. And love is forever. So let's use this song. Oh, this part's great.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
But like, I appreciated getting to see a guy who like, I don't know, this whole season and the conversation we had with him chose to like take ownership, acknowledge his mistakes and like step up for his family.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
We did not get the call.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
What is he getting other than shit on?
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
And I saw a clip from Jesse on Not Skinny, Not Fat.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
And Amanda, Amanda asks him, like, what's different? Like, why wouldn't you call Michelle a whore today?
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Today. And his answer was consideration.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
What the fuck does that even mean?
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
It was very fun to see the feedback.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Jesse's kind of like if like a alien came to Earth and was just trying to figure out human behavior and just watched Entourage and then is now learning that that's not what everyone does.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
You can tell how proud he was for his answer.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
And we would be fine.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
that we got from our airplane story it's really it really speaks to like if you know if you have kids you know and if you don't you don't but the way people like some of the comments like were hilarious just like business class is for doing business i'm like okay people are actually trying to work in business class have you ever raised a child it's work literally full-time fucking job the hardest job i've ever had i'm working more than you are writing that uh pdf okay
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
I worry for Angela.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Yeah, saying nothing. The look on his face was, I would rather die.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
And he was like, I don't fuck with whores. Like it's been 20 years since I went to one of those places. Yeah.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
It was really funny. Cause right before I was watching Atlanta, I was watching the last dance and it was Charles Oakley. Like he was featured in the last dance. And then to see him again in Atlanta house was, I was like, this is incredible. Yeah. To just get two sides of that coin of that man is so awesome.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Honestly, that's real love. To be an NBA superstar and to be a B-cast member on the Real Housewives franchise is really not the direction you hoped for yourself, I imagine.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Did Scottie Pippen ever make an appearance in Miami? That's a good question.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
The way the 90s NBA has found itself on that.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
The way the 90s Bulls have an impact in every single aspect of the country.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
So nasty and so rude. What is a pre-launch? Is that like a soft launch?
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
If you want the free publicity, you need to come up with something.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
All right. Well, let's bring him up. Get ready to laugh.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Open up new home possibilities. And if you're anything like my wife, every week is a new reason to change it up in the room for whatever reason that you want. And with Cozy, you certainly can, regardless if your husband is down to help.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
I will say, you know, having a kid, it makes you so much more like empathetic in every aspect of life. You know, the way you see other parents on a flight and you just want to help them. When I see a mom with a child coming on the plane, I'm just waiting for an opportunity to help her with her bags.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Well, something I've really enjoyed being with my wife, especially after her using Nutrafol, is less of the hair art in the shower, you know, because I am the one responsible for cleaning out the drains. And so to shout out Nutrafol, I just want to say thank you.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
That's Nutrafol.com, promo code V-I-A-L-L. Agreed. Why is my... What is going on here?
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Yeah.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
That's me as fuck. Shut up. Touch later.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Don't use. Now it's asking for a password.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Honestly, I regret the placement of the stream. It's a river. Why the river?
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
The dog's near the river because the idea with my tattoos is like, these are all my siblings. I have 10 of them. And these are like, this is like moments in my adult life and this is moments in my child life. But I do wish, I do think the river would have been, would have fit better here. And I think we also kind of hid Jeff a little bit.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
You know, I don't want to be like intrusive, like, you know, but if there's, you know what I'm saying? Let me take that for you. Yeah, I'm like, oh my God. And then she like hits me with her suitcase because it's like, why are you stealing my shit? But yeah, it's just, it's difficult.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Well, that's why I wasn't sure, because I wasn't sure if I was going to ask you about a tough memory. No. Jeff is still with us as well. Yeah.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Well, to be honest, can you really tell the difference?
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
I wanted to get something of Steve, but I just feel like two dog tattoos that's black and white that essentially is going to look the same.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
I feel like we already started, but Chris, welcome. Oh, thank you. This is too much good. We're going to use all this.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
But I will say we have a 15, 16 month old baby or dog. Oh my god, congratulations. River. River.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
We've been out of town and so she's been sleeping with us and we had to get up at 5.30 in the morning yesterday to catch a flight and it was the first time for me experiencing my daughter wake up to an alarm and it was the cutest fucking thing and she just popped up and she had this like holy shit look in her face and kind of smile but groggy. It was pretty good. It was pretty cute.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
But also it kind of felt like, to your point, it's not normal. It's not okay.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Aren't there any streetlights of some kind?
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
We got hooked up. Yeah.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Yes. Why do you talk shit about our audience?
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
That's like being in high school. I mean, maybe I'm aging myself. I'm assuming everything's digital in high school these days. But it's like having your desk partner and then on the piece of paper or a test writing a big like my seat partner is a big piece of shit. And then I'm reading it and then me saying, well, that's a private message.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Oh my God. Because I figured we'd be talking about it. Before we get into that, did you hear about Brittany Bateman being sued by her former mother-in-law?
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
She deserves her snowflake. And the fact that she hasn't gotten it yet is honestly, what are you doing, Bravo?
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
This is giving 18 year old gets a credit card and thinks it's like free money, not money.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Speaking of questionable finances, shout out to the Christie family for at least being back together. Savannah. Who I was on special forces with. I mean, listen, politics aside and all that stuff. And, you know, I honestly don't even know the details of why her parents were incarcerated and certainly was giving white collar crime. I think they I don't I don't really know.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
I don't think she stole from the elderly. So there is that that's better than Jen Shaw. But her parents were pardoned. And, you know, I got to hear Savannah's story while on special on special forces. And Savannah really stepped up and took care of her young siblings, and she has been through hell.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
And again, I don't know what her parents did or didn't do, but for Savannah, I am incredibly happy for her that she gets to be with her family. And so good news for that family. I'm sure people have a lot of opinions, but, you know, I'm happy for her.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Oh my, sure.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
I think immediately.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
I think she's going to be in the parking lot of prison just rolling with that iPhone. Right? You have to.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Taylor is obvious, but why Mikayla and Macy? Give us your reasoning.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Anyways, we have a real, real great episode for you today. I'm really excited about it. I don't even know. It doesn't even matter what we said was going to be, what it is, is, is even better. First, we have the hilarious comedian Chris Clemons is with us to talk a little bit more secret lives of Mormon wives. He's a huge fan of all reality TV.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
And is your ranking more based off of your enjoyment of watching them or your judgment of them as a human being?
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Because as enjoyment of watching pure entertainment, Whitney is kind of 1B for me.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
But what I love about Whitney is like she sees her actions so differently than everyone else.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Yeah. Like she puts on that tiara and is just like, this looks good. This looks great. I'm I am. I'm slaying today.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
I need a pick-me-up. Can we play her hospital video? Nah!
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Anyways, it's so good. So Whitney's last. And that's after season... That's after episode one.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
It was the most... It's been tough to watch. And we've gotten to know Demi in person. Oh, really? And enjoyed her company.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
We, I mean, we've, I mean, we've probably spent...
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
That was crazy. Oh, we interviewed Zach and Jen. Oh, my God.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
I haven't... There's not... In reality TV, there's not a lot of men who... who see their mistakes and say, maybe I can be a little bit better. And I felt like this season, I saw a little bit of that. No? No? Did that feel genuine to you?
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
What is he getting out of this?
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
But that's what I'm, yeah, like, changing for your family, I find to be, like, a more of a... I guess I'm just a cynical bitch.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Who knows? Maybe he'll be a shitbag in season three. I don't know.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
You always want to go with a riff.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
I mean, in that way, I think what's been similar from Whitney on season one and to me on season two is their insane confidence that they're right. Yeah. When no one understands the point of view.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Not one person is comfortable right now. There's a double, triple, quadruple down. And they're just steadfast.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
No, I'm not afraid of a lot of people. I certainly to confront them or be in some type of, you know, disconnect with them. Taylor, Frankie, Paul.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
She is so unafraid. She doesn't give a fuck.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
From the Valley joins the Vilefiles.
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I'm kind of a Janet stan.
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But she's so self-aware, you know? And she is the first to apologize and take responsibility. Agreed. She is. I mean, she might do it again tomorrow, you know?
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I respect the hell for her coming. I mean, I think how many times have we said Janet's the worst?
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Taylor's the only one, if they took off the show, people actually might be like, you know what, we're... I don't need to watch this.
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Oh, it's already filmed? I think they're almost done. I've spoken with several people in the know, and they think season two is really just an appetizer, which is crazy.
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Little hungry, hungry hippo. Do you, what do you make of how it all ended with the accusation that Jesse stepped out?
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
So like. Well, Jesse was by her own admission, a swinger in her first marriage. That's what I thought. Yeah.
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I'm sure there's people out there who think that sometimes we are critical on purpose to try to almost bait and dare people to come on our show. That is not our intention.
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He has like a Thanos level face. I think he just comes from a very attractive family.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Like Gaston had to be like inspired by somebody.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Beauty and the Beast oh I thought you were talking about Taylor Greene's boyfriend for a second I literally didn't know what we were talking about we don't love Beauty and the Beast no sorry just me I guess I don't have an opinion we're re-watching a lot of Disney movies with my daughter so maybe that's you're like I guess I'm just a really good dad I guess yeah I guess I'm just present well actually turning on TV is maybe not that present
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Like we say this often, we love reality TV. And in a lot of ways we cover it like sports, you know, we're fans, we're fanatics. We like to break it down. This show started being a show based using reality TV and pop culture is a through line to discuss, like just to discuss relationships, you know, discuss people, human interactions, you know? So sometimes that causes us to be critical of people.
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So you've been a photographer at Fashion Week.
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I feel like you have some good stories.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
I think that can just be sad. The dropping all at once or just that there's 10?
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Yeah, I mean, if I'm running Hulu, I get why they limit it to 10, because there's so much in these 10 episodes that you can call it a whole season. I agree with you on the, why are we dropping it all at once? There's too much.
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There's so many little meaty things in each of these episodes that we're kind of just forgetting to talk about or bringing up that we could dissect if we could watch an episode or two at a time and really enjoy it. But we're watching four, and then we're like, what?
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I honestly think it's funny because with Mormon Wives, you know, for all the conversations that since reality TV has existed about like, well, like the unreal that was like loosely based off the Bachelor franchise and all the horrible evil things like producers allegedly did and things like that. I think honestly that show has always been widely exaggerated.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
I think it was far more true about reality TV in the past. I can say with like Mormon Wives, these women are so giving. Yeah. that there are a lot of things that just don't make the edit because it's just like, there's a level of consideration about these people's real lives. And I think there's a lot of things that just don't make it because it's too heavy and too much and too dark.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
And I think they are playing the long game, you know? I think it's, you know, when you're the Bachelor franchise, and you cast 25 new people every season, and it's just like you just squeeze whatever juice you can out of these people because fuck it, we're done with them. There was no Bachelor in Paradise. There was no Bachelor Pad. There was no trying to build these characters.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
You could kind of screw them over and just be done. With these women, you've got to be careful about... You want to nurture these relationships. You don't want to screw really any of them over. I think there's a lot more consideration than people want to give credit to the producers and production of these shows.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
They're not the evil reality TV producers that I think so many of us grew up thinking they existed. I think there is a lot of consideration for these people's lives. And that's just how crazy it all is.
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We've never met in person causes us to be critical of people who don't you know, aren't in control of their edit. And we understand that it can piss people off. And we understand that it might cause them to hate us or never want to come on our show. Like, I doubt Sierra is ever going to come on the show.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
I don't know how genuine that all is, though, because they're still talking shit in the comments. Oh, 100%. Yeah.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Can you imagine being producers of these women waking up every day with being like, fuck, geez, could you guys just stop? Take a vacation, please. Just do a little dance. Please.
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I'll commit to the role. Chris, where can people enjoy your hilarious comedy?
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
I hope, I wish Sierra would want to come on the show and explain to me why all my opinions are wrong. And I'd be certainly open to listening. I doubt she's going to come. But the fact that Janet is wants to and is willing. I'm excited to meet the person, Janet. I've never met her. I don't know anything about her other than what I've seen on TV. And I very much look forward to getting to know her.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
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And I'm excited she's coming. So I really appreciate her being willing to do that. And this is what this is all about. I love it. I'm so excited. I am so excited to meet Janet, get to know her and talk about the Valley with Janet. What was your favorite part of last night's Valley episode? Now we're not recapping. I can't help but talk about my favorite part.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
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Janet, welcome.
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How are you?
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We've been critical, as I like to say, of your character on television. Never met you in person. And I just want to say thank you for coming because lots of times the people we tend to be critical of don't show up or don't want to come. So props to you for being willing to come because, you know, we've obviously have been critical on the show. So I do want to thank you for coming.
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I really, I really appreciate it. I always look forward to these conversations because I know what it's like to be on the wrong side of reality TV and have people like say things that I don't agree with. But do you even list? Do you know what we said about you? Do we know?
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Well, thank you for coming. Since you brought it up, what did you like most about that episode? For us, I mean... Yeah, I mean, it was tough, you know, just seeing their dynamic with a child involved is always kind of a little uncomfortable. And Jesse is welcome. He has an invite to come. I love the opportunity to hear his side as he likes to point out there are two sides to every story.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
After hearing Michelle's side, I have a harder time believing that his side has any weight to it just because her side I thought was so compelling.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Do you see it that way?
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Just give us yours. Okay. Well, first of all, it was honestly good to see Lala.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Jesse brings up Michelle cheating every single episode. And Michelle has acknowledged that she kissed some guy. And I'm not saying that's nothing. And I'm not saying it's okay. But the level of...
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Okay. To watch her body, Jessie, like that.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
disrespect or even emotional torture that it seemed like jesse caused michelle like it just and i and i guess from jesse's point of view and by point of view i mean like the way he sees himself as such a victim in this relationship i guess i get why he has this attitude but the yeah it's just like what do you believe because what i would love to know and i'm curious about your opinion is that
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
To me, the Michelle kissed a guy at the tail end of their shitty relationship to me is like an eye roll.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Lala, another person at times we've been critical of, certainly you have, when we're recapping Vanderpump on Vile Files Plus. Shout out Vile Files Plus if you're interested. But like Lala really knows how to like, Lay it on.
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Does Jesse believe that she did more or does he acknowledge that's all she's done?
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Jesse enjoys like feeding into that there's probably more that happened narrative to make her look worse definitely and still like sticking by also like oh I heard this rumor like come on Michelle's not doing that it's just not like here's a moral question I'm sure there will be a lot of opinions on both sides because like in a marriage obviously it takes lawyers to end that relationship but if you ask for a separation I guess your partner can say I don't you know
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Is it cheating after that?
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Maybe for Jesse, like if you want to save your marriage, maybe don't go to a life coach who you're friends with.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Focusing on you for a second. You obviously, you know, we've talked, we've been critical. I think I called you the worst the other day. You did?
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She didn't waste any time. She didn't show up to take a casual walk to show an outfit. She came on to deliver great television.
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It's a figure of speech. But, you know, you've gotten a lot of criticism online. What, from your point of view, before I kind of ask you specific questions, like, how do you feel the most misrepresented? And I guess because you mentioned, oh, I understand why some people feel the way they do. So is this like blaming the edit or is it like things are out of context?
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Like, can you explain what you mean by all that?
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
She didn't do what Sheena did, which was just stay silent?
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
No, that was my favorite part. The scene begins and it's Lala- and Jesse. And first Lala says, hi, almost nice. And then lays into Jesse. And in the background, you see Sheena getting a drink and you see her kind of peek over and be like, oh, Lala's having a scene with Jesse. And then like there's it's Lala and Jesse and it's Lala by herself.
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what's going on everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of the vile files reality recap and boy are we glad to be back in our studio in la from you know all the pop-ups that we do it's um we're busy busy people like welcome home we're always working always doing things you know we're too busy to do fun celebrity things you know only the miserable celebrity things
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Yeah, I mean, I think it's a fun narrative we've joked about. I honestly don't even I see your point. And I actually everything you said makes a lot of sense. And I also think it's to your point, it's a popular show at this stage of Bravo in its existence. There's not a single person who gets cast on the show who isn't a fan of the show.
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Being a fan of reality TV and certainly understanding how it works, how did you approach going in? Like, did you have... I guess, and the reason I ask this is because I guess more my actual criticism of your character that I watch is if I was being generous, I would say, this is somebody who knows reality TV.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
You get like a one shot of Lala and then and then you see Jesse and then as if like a magician said, no, no, no.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Maybe you were a fan, whatever, all that aside, but that you wanna play the villain, that you wanna stick your nose in where sometimes it doesn't belong, that you wanna call out people for things because as a character, whether I'm critical or not, like you are giving and you, I pay attention to scenes that you're in and villains are stars of shows.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
And so, yeah, like sometimes you say shit that I'm like, why would you fucking say shit like that? Like you- As a human being, if you were in my friend group, I would take exception to how you call out some of your friends. That would be my actual criticism. But how would you respond to that?
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Well, you see her in the background walk on screen.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
The good news is, in my experience, often the stronger, bigger personalities at first are criticized because it's sometimes a lot for the audience to take in. But if you have the opportunity to come back, which you guys do in an ensemble cast, the more consistent characters are, you find your fan base. You may not be liked by everyone, but you will find your people who say, I'm a Janet.
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Kind of like on Sex and the City.
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Um, so that there, there is that, do you have, um, what is your most regrettable moment so far while filming the Valley? That's tough. You can list more than one.
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Just had to be in the scene.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
I have more questions, but I just do want to open it up.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
It was my favorite part. It was just, it was just so Sheena. It was great. Anyways, we'll get into the Valley when Janet joins us for the show. Apparently the new location for Bachelor in Paradise has been released and it is a bit different. And by a bit, I mean night and day different from the original location that was essentially glamping. So like Bachelor in Paradise was filmed in Cellulita.
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So for the fans who see it as Danny and Nia are the healthiest couple in this group of people who seem fairly toxic, and that... well, no couple's perfect and every couple, you know, every couple has shit they deal with. I think it's just more when I say healthy couple, it's more how you deal with it.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
So I really, as a viewer, well, maybe it's a little boring, respect how Nia and Danny go about their relationship and seem to, well, you know, I don't, whatever happened with Danny and, you know, the touching, obviously inappropriate. I appreciate his willingness to hold himself accountable and apologize as many times as, as people seem to want to demand apologies.
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Like I would love an apology from Jasmine.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
It was like that this very in the middle of a jungle and it was like an outdoor place that had no air conditioning or anything like that.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
So in Santa Barbara, he was blackout drunk.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
No, it was glamping. Yeah, it was glamping.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
How do you guys distinguish between Danny's drinking and the rest of the group that also seems to be extraordinarily heavy drinkers? And in some cases, drinking or alcohol seems just to be the tip of the icebergs of the substances they seem to partake in.
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But it was like shelters. I enjoyed it. I mean, certainly it was muggy and buggy and whatever, but once you got used to it, I thought it was great. And I thought it was great because the food was awesome.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Is this a hands-on situation? Has this been a recurring problem? Again, it doesn't make that incident okay at all. But has that happened multiple times? Or was this one night where it got really out of control and he really needed to check himself in a way that he never had to check himself before?
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
The chefs, we had our own chefs where they would make you whatever you wanted. It was really enjoyable. And for me, that's what traveling's all about. If I don't enjoy the food, I feel very out of place. I can kind of sleep any, not anywhere, but not having food I enjoy or food that just tastes like you're just eating out constantly. It just wears on you.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
The way Danny drank a glass of water when Jasmine...
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Yeah, I think that's what especially this show I think that's what I like a lot of fans struggle with is that there's this one incident and everything you're saying is valid and I think everyone agrees but it's it seems like it's getting a whole lot of attention and versus some of this, the atrocities of some of these other castmates.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
And the way you guys are hyper focused on this and just like spend like three or four episodes and like all the jokes aside of the Jasmine strangling me and things like that, there just seems to be like, I mean, yeah, that didn't make me uncomfortable. There was a blackout moment. And that's, I think that where the audience is struggling
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
which is like, it's not okay, but given just the characters of this group and how they act and how they treat each other.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
And it's just like, the way you guys gloss over that is,
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Are we certain that Jax being a part of Brittany's life and her son's life in any way is the best solution? And I know that's an extreme thing to say, but this is an extreme man who, since episode two of season one of Vanderpump, has been a horrible person to his friends and his partners.
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So much so that I honestly, and I'd love your opinion on this, at this stage of watching this relationship, Brittany and Jax, I have a hard time empathizing for Brittany. Just the amount of excuses she has made for him. He's so obvious in his treatment that it almost kind of comes across as her finding a way to
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So, you know, this will be interesting to see what it's like. I mean, it looks like a very bougie place. So have you heard from Wells since he's been down there?
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to monetize his shitty behavior for her, for the sympathy of the audience, because it's, it's, you know, that's just how it comes across because he's so terrible. And at some point, while I would agree that in most cases, you know, hey, listen, divorce is a real thing. And sometimes it's the best situation for everyone involved, especially the children.
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But there are some people who don't deserve to be parents and don't deserve to be involved. And being a parent is a blessing. And it's something that, you know, should be protected. And some people are dangerous and some people are horrible role models. And some people are Jax Taylor. And are we sure that the best thing for everyone is him to be a part of this family?
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What kind of.
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He hasn't said how it's going.
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yeah one thing that back to the accountability part and i think jason has even said this much and i find it infuriating with this group they'll say something like some version of this to jack about jacks or two jacks we know you're a good guy but it's like do what why do we how in what world do we know he's a good guy what about anything he's done over the past decade suggests that he's
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any kind of a good guy? And why does Jason, and I would say this to Thomas Schwartz, and I have said this to Thomas Schwartz, or any of the Danny, like why do they give him the benefit of the doubt?
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I hope I've heard from production but like it's hard to know what kind of TV it will translate into because obviously as we know there's been a lot of drama when it comes to the production of The Bachelor there's new showrunners there's a lot of moving pieces I think there's a lot of hurt feelings in production so I'm hearing a lot of complaints from that side that might just be internal complaints or will that actually turn into like bad television I don't know I'm curious too like how they're gonna do everything is it gonna be cameras in the corners of the rooms kind of thing like are we filming 24-7 like
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It was an accusation that seemed to go nowhere. And I actually quite appreciated Jason's response to it. But the ring. Yeah. Commentary. I will say as a newly married man, I love wearing a wedding ring. I never take it off.
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So it is a bit like confusing when like Jesse or anyone else was like, well, when I forget to put it, I mean, you know, I mean, I know Natalie, like when she does her makeup and, you know, she does nails and stuff that, you know, women take it off. But as a guy, I just like, what? You like it so much you have two. I love it.
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I don't know if there's really anything to say. Did you say to Jason, why are you taking it off?
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We are big Kristen Doty. Well, we're friends. We know her. And we're fans as well. And while she's certainly not perfect and not always right, what I do love about Kristen is she is consistent with her loyalty. And I love the way she stands up for her friends. Where do you stand with Kristen today?
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Which I totally get. But my question is just to follow up on that. Since you guys were so close, why do you feel like it's impossible to ever get to that place? Because hearing your version of it from an outsider's point of view,
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It makes sense why you were so close, but it also makes sense why, because it seems like the thing you're most critical of, Kristen, is something that you're also guilty of, which is sometimes saying things out of pocket and to hurt people when you're hurt.
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And knowing that you guys both do that to each other, Why can't you just from your point of view? I mean, I could ask Kristen the same thing when, you know, if I get a chance to do that. But why can't you? Well, I understand why it's all upsetting and understand why you feel the way you do offer the grace of like, well, you know, I've done that.
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And if we just stop doing that, maybe we can have that friendship once again.
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Like a massive resort where other people will be?
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Did not go well. Do you think it's possible that it's more to do with the fact that she is just trying to protect her husband from the cameras and the microphones that are there filming you guys as opposed to be more similar to your abusive ex?
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I think it's fair to suggest that maybe Danny and Nia are not built for this environment. I just more, I just kind of could see it as just that rather than there's a deeper, darker reason.
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Yeah. Like if Chuck gets stung by the wrong bug, you know, you can't be in a hammock. Is there a Chuck?
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Well, Jen, I want to thank you for coming and facing all these questions. I really sincerely appreciate it. I do have one last question back to the why I have a hard time empathizing with Brittany. It's just like, in what world can Brittany act surprised? Like this past episode is like, I can't believe he wasn't paying the mortgage.
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And it's just like, I can't believe that you were thinking that he that you were trusting Jax.
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To be responsible in any way. And I think it's that kind of just constant behavior from Brittany that it's just like, I mean, what are you doing here? Why aren't we learning from your mistakes? And even if her one mistake is to constantly think that Jack is going to show up in any sort of way. Like, why do you think she does that?
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Well, Janet, thank you again.
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Where can people follow you on social?
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I did get Janet.
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All right. Well, thank you, Janet. And thank you guys for listening. Thank you to our guests. Also, Chris Clemons as well. We will see you back on Monday. Don't forget to listen to the Going Deeper episode of Zach and Jen if you haven't already. Next week's another banger. We'll see you then. Bye-bye.
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I just feel like a lot of our peers were at the AMAs. We don't have time for that.
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She's also been giving advice from people who know that maybe this isn't the time.
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Maybe there'll be a bigger budget.
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Because I don't think there is one right now.
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yeah um well we'll see if the bachelor doesn't get renewed yeah it's fascinating they haven't renewed the bachelor yet i think this is this more uh listen hulu is doing a lot of great things you have the mormon wives being a mainstay uh they're they're producing a lot of great content and like again the the bachelor franchise is owned by warner brothers and forever
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Since this show has existed, there's always been this conflict between the production company Warner Brothers and the distributor ABC, which is now tied to Hulu. And Warner Brothers seems to be notoriously mismanaged right now. They don't know what's going on. And up until now, Warner Brothers has been able to say, whatever, we're the biggest show in town. So we kind of get to call the shots.
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We don't have time for the red carpets, the parties.
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And now that they've Now that there is a sea of competition and now that streamers have the bandwidth to make more interesting content, they don't have to follow the kind of FCC guidelines of, you know, the network television and kind of behold to sponsors and things like that. That just gives them way more leash to make great television.
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And it seems like Warner Brothers hasn't like figured that out yet. And I feel like this Hulu or ABC or whatever, Rob Mills essentially, not picking it up is basically a, we don't, you know, we don't need you.
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At this point, people who are still watching network television, it's just like a commercial for streamers in a way. So they're kind of one in the same. I mean, Disney Plus and Hulu are owned by Disney, so I don't even know how that all... Hulu's kind of turned into the dumping ground for Disney Plus. What do you mean?
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Not, like, reality TV-wise. Not, like, in the unscripted, but for scripted. I feel like there's a lot of things that ABC used to do and isn't necessarily matching the brand for Disney+. So then they, like, shove it to Hulu and then it kind of dies on Hulu because Hulu doesn't... Outside of, like, The reality TV, Hulu's like scripted stuff doesn't get like promotion.
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Like people like my mom is the biggest Handmaid's Tale fan and had no idea it was back on.
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Yeah. So it's like they don't promote anything, which is like a big problem, like across multiple different streamers. But Hulu just like like their money is not going into like promoting Hulu. They're promoting Disney Plus.
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They're scripted. Yeah. But the Mormon wives are promoting.
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Yeah.
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But yeah, I don't know that it's a good it's a good observation. You know, Netflix is, for example, notorious for, you know, they're known in the marketplace for not promoting things.
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Maybe our PR knows. I mean, I know our PR knew we weren't available, but... To be honest, I was not given the opportunity. We didn't give the call.
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yeah they're terrible but it's a deliberate act you know what i'm saying so usually what happens is like they'll they'll drop i don't know why i'd be curious as to the why i'm sure there's a reason but for the most part they'll drop a show a sneaky link sneaky links you watched a couple right i did we haven't had i'm actually really enjoying it i i realized that i didn't fully grasp the concept and now that i'm like watching it play out i'm like
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wild in dating yeah so i think it's interesting but um i'm on episode three well if you guys have not listened to the going deeper episode of jen and zach that is out it's been out uh it's got everyone talking very fascinated like i'm not why am i fascinated why am i even acting surprised it's the amount of like projection you know people put on these reality tv stars like for some people zach will always be a piece of shit right he could spend the rest of his life saving children
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And it will be like, nope, it's fake. He can't change. You know, all this is is just like now he's seen his mistakes and all the growth is simply it's fake. And, you know, he just knows what to say. Maybe that's true. I don't know.
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Ich möchte nur sagen, ich freue mich, dass alle uns die Chance geben, zu sprechen.
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How did you hear about this alleged story?
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Willkommen. Ein Applaus für das Aufstehen. Wer ist mehr nervös als der letzte Bombensturm? Wahrscheinlich ich. Du bist es?
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And you're saying at some point other... Oh, that's a flat out lie.
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Well, I don't, but I mean, we're just gonna have to let the people decide. I appreciate you guys both sharing your version. I'm pretty sure I'll have receipts on that one.
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Wenn ich darf. Du schlägst mich nicht als jemanden, der für den Rennen unterwegs ist. Du siehst mich eher als einen Leiter aus. Vertraut. Also, was war dein Rolle, wenn du das gesagt hast? Es ist schwer als Zuschauer zu glauben, dass du nur mehr der demure, ich glaube, wir gehen, weil Tyler wollte, dass wir gehen.
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Okay. Lass mich dich fragen. Als das passiert ist, als ich Natalie kennengelernt habe, wenn du ein Paar hast, bist du in verschiedenen Phasen der Beziehung. Manchmal hast du ein anderes Erneuerungspotenzial und solche Dinge. Wir haben ein bisschen eine Zeitunterschiede in unserer Beziehung. Als ich Natalie getroffen habe, war ich in einer anderen Position in meinem Leben.
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Okay. Grant, are you nervous? I'm ready. You're ready. Okay. You're looking nice. Thank you, brother. Tyler?
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Und es gab Dinge, für die ich bezahlt habe, meistens, weil ich in dieser Position war. Aber an der Zeit, an der ich es gemacht habe, war ich sehr froh, es zu machen. Es war mehr so, das ist die Beziehung, in der ich sein will. This is who I'm dating. I'm accepting my partner where they're at. Was that your mindset at the time?
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Or did you always kind of resent Tyler for his financial situation, whatever it was from your perception?
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Und war das etwas, als er durch seinen Verabschiedungstermin ging und ihr dateiert habt, was war eure Erwartung oder Verständnis von Tylers Situation? Ich glaube, meine Frage ist, als ihr diese Beziehung begonnen habt, was genau habt ihr zu Ja gesagt, richtig? Weil in Beziehungen, wenn wir 18, 19 Jahre alt sind, ist es so, du bist heiß, ich fühle etwas, lass uns dateieren.
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You know, that's as far as it goes. As we get older, we have past relationships, we have experiences. So what were you, did you accept Tyler at the time or was it immediately like, I love you because you're like hot and tall, but like. Get a job. Get a job.
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Und du hattest Zufall zu ein paar seiner Antworten?
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Thanks, twin. Congratulations to our happy couple. Thank you.
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I want to move on for a bit and pause on this for a second. But for the four individuals who are single, or at least not with each other, clearly there's some hard feelings, clearly there seems to be some resentment. Specifically for Tyler and Taylor, and we'll move on to you two, where do you feel like that anger still comes from?
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We made them sit across from each other. They took one for the team. They did a kindness to the rest of the group. Thanks, guys. They could stare at each other. I know, I miss them already. Can we see the ring?
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Because it has been, what, how long since you guys have been broken up? Nine months since the show, I guess. So where's most of the frustration come from at this point?
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Und es war einfach seltsam. Was war deiner größte Grund, dass du nicht weitergehen wolltest?
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Das ist ein Wunderschönes Ding. Okay, klar, lass uns das probieren. Und nur nicht mit einer Mädchen schlafen?
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Ich dachte mir, okay, ich verliere dich jetzt nicht.
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So you went into this experience. I guess here's my question. How hopeful were you versus how realistic about what this experience actually would bring? So what did your gut tell you? Because you're talking about, hey, I was hoping this and I was hoping this, but this is a man who you had dated for a year and a half. You guys had some problems.
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How much did you believe that this experience could really bring you guys together versus will this experience just kind of give me the clarity I need firsthand? Because, you know, sometimes when we're in relationships and it's not going well, you know, oftentimes we stay in relationships because of how we met or how long we dated or how much work we've put into this.
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And it's just like, man, fuck, man, it's just like... Ich will nicht anfangen, aber manchmal finde ich, dass wir in Verhältnissen für die falschen Gründe sind und wir kämpfen für Verhältnisse für die falschen Gründe. Und ich bin gespannt, was du von deinem Standpunkt aus denkst. Was denkst du, ist wahrer?
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Tyler, I was really excited looking forward to what hairstyle you would do. I feel like you have a very versatile, some options to go with.
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Das war's für heute. Untertitelung des ZDF, 2020 Untertitelung des ZDF, 2020 Untertitelung des ZDF, 2020
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Every single one. I was like, oh, we're slick back today.
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Leider konnten Briand und Shantae nicht mit uns einsteigen. Sie haben es bestimmt versucht. Sie hatten einige Arbeitsbedürfnisse. Ich denke, Briand hat das speziell gemacht. Aber sie wollten Teil davon sein. Leider konnten sie es nicht erreichen. Es war sicher nicht so, dass sie diese Atmosphäre vermeiden. Und wenn wir die Möglichkeit bekommen, sie anzubringen, werden wir versuchen, das zu tun.
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Aber das ist der Grund, warum sie heute nicht mit uns sind. Everyone, including Nalia and ourselves, are very fascinated with you guys and why you decided even to embark on this journey and on this show in the first place. Obviously, Ashley and Grant and Tyler and Taylor are no longer together, but we have Alexa and Lina, who are still together, not only together, but engaged.
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So I think it's very fascinating to kind of see einfach das Spektrum, was dieses Show und diese Erfahrung für Paare tun können. Und ich bin immer sehr fasziniert davon, weil, weißt du, für mich sprechen wir viel über die Beziehungen auf dem Show. Meine Frau Nelly und ich. Es kommt wirklich darauf an, was für Paare zusammenbleiben wollen.
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Weißt du, was für Paare in die Arbeit investieren wollen, was für Paare tatsächlich kompatibel sind. Ich denke, das Faszinierende an dieser Gruppe von Leuten ist, dass ich denke, es war ein wirklich interesting insight to a lot of very common themes when it comes to various relationships uh why they work why they don't work and i'm excited to explore that today with all of you guys so it's
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But I suppose that's just a matter of opinion and perspective. I mean, both two things can be true at the same time. I can imagine from your perspective, you seem earnest about like really wanting to like have some growth and fight for this relationship. And then you got Ashley here kind of, you know, still struggling with the past. These experiences are traumatic.
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These experiences can really change you as a person. But usually that growth happens over time. And do you feel like maybe some of your truth is more coming from that place of finally waking up und etwas zu kämpfen und es nur ein wenig zu spät für Ashly zu sein und sie zu verletzen, dass sie deinen Wachstum nicht akzeptiert hat.
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I am curious for our happy couple, what made you want to do this in the first place? Because I was a little bit surprised as the season went on that you even started thinking of an engagement, knowing your girlfriend at the time was at a different house with a bunch of men. Certainly you got to check in at the bonfires, but was that something you were even thinking of going into Temptation Island?
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It doesn't matter now. That's my point. But it didn't matter when I posted it either. Listen, we are entitled to our feelings. It bothered you. Why was it so triggering for you? And why did you feel like Ashley owed you anything in that moment?
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Hast du Regret für etwas, was du in den letzten zwei Wochen getan hast? Das ist offensichtlich eine sehr emotionale Erfahrung für alle von euch. Ich erinnere mich daran, als es ausgeliefert wurde, war es so, dass wir das tun mussten?
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Du warst also emotional. Das war eine triggerende Erfahrung. Du wurdest getriggert und hast dich gegen Ashley ausgedrückt.
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Hey, if we pass this test, I want to do this, or did that happen organically?
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I want to know. Das ist das, was ich sage. Ich möchte wissen, nur als Person. Ich verliere das Weinen.
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Ich denke, es ist Zeit für einen kleinen Break. Ja. Well, you guys all have heard me talk about wanting to improve kind of my wellness in 2025. And it has been a lot easier thanks to Symbiotica being there for me by my side. One of my goals for 2025 was getting my energy levels back without just running on caffeine.
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Or clarify? This is open to everyone. We have a lot more questions, so don't you worry.
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Yeah, picnic table bikini is insane. So you, he told you which one he was interested in.
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So one thing I'd love some clarification from you two is, you know, you've talked about Lino's loyalty, your confidence in him, your confidence that he wouldn't cheat. But you've also almost proudly say that you win in this experience without boundaries. Which part is more true? Because it's a bit of a contradiction.
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And what I mean by that is like, it's one thing to say, oh, we didn't have boundaries because we didn't communicate them and talk about them. But like, If that motherfucker cheats, I'm done. Where you have a personal boundary that maybe you didn't communicate. And so I'm wondering, what if Lino kissed a woman or went even further?
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Because I almost got the impression when we started this conversation, there was a part of you that was maybe even open to the possibility, given his lack of experience in relationships prior to meeting you, die du in dieser Erfahrung erwähnt hast. Wenn er es machen will, dann mach es hier, wo es ein bisschen Verständnis gibt. Verstehst du, was ich meine?
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How surprised were you? Were you anticipating a proposal? Did you even think it was on the radar?
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Natürlich haben Sie sich mit einem Beziehungsverlust befasst, bevor Sie in die Show gingen, mit, glaube ich, Ihrer Unfidelity. Es ist okay. Aber natürlich waren Sie offen, darüber zu sprechen. Ich bin interessiert... Aus beiden deiner Ansichten.
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Wie war das, dass die Nerven noch mehr, weil ich hatte, ich habe es einfach entdeckt.
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Das ist großartig. Eine Sache, über die ich sprechen wollte und die ich euch Mädchen fragen wollte. Als Zuschauer, als Mann, bin ich etwas kritischer zu den Männern. I definitely want to address some things with them. I do think sometimes the guys talk a lot about accountability, but maybe don't practice it as much as they speak it. We'll get back to that in a second.
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But one theme that I think was evident throughout, even early on, was Ashley and Taylor's willingness to talk some shit about your partners. Justified or not.
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You know, it's like, I think as women and men, we need different things, right? As a guy, I just think, you know, it's like one of those, I think us men are, we are as fragile and as weak and as vulnerable as anyone, right? Whether we want to admit it or not. Und wir wollen einen Partner, der uns unterstützt, der an uns glaubt, besonders wenn wir schlecht sind.
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Für dich, Lino, war das in irgendeiner Weise ein Test für Alexa, um zu sehen, könnte sie in ein Haus gehen mit ein paar eligible Töpfern und so weiter und ihre Glaubwürdigkeit beurteilen? Und dann eine folgende Frage für dich, Alexa. War da ein Teil von dir, der für Lino vorbereitet war, um seine Erfahrung als fast eine...
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Es ist einfach, einen Partner zu haben, der an uns glaubt, wenn wir das Leben zerstören. Aber ich denke, wenn wir schlecht sind, wollen wir wirklich jemanden, der, wenn jemand unsere Rücken hat, unsere Rücken hat. Es ist wie, du weißt, Leute können immer über mich reden, aber ich muss nur wissen, dass mein Partner Taylor, ich bin gespannt.
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Was waren einige der Bitch-Tendenzen, die du fühlst, die Tyler bezeichnet hat, dass du den Bedarf hattest, darüber über ihn zu sprechen?
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And where do you draw the line between finding that balance between, and that's, you know, listen, I love to have my wife think of me in the way that you want to find a partner, right? I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
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But how do you find that balance of when he's not able to provide that, where he is down bad, he is lacking confidence, he is feeling weak, he is feeling, you know, whatever those feelings that It might give you the ick or whatever it is. How do you as a partner deal with that as opposed to being the one person who he feels alienated by rather than supported by?
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A hall pass for, you know, almost to even the playing field or in a way, was that in the back of your mind wondering, okay, well, if he, you know, he does anything, even Steven. Was there any kind of thought process around that?
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Was ist mehr wahr? Weil bei dem letzten Abbruch, über den du gesprochen hast, war das für dich der schlimmste Schmerz. Und du hast dich authentisch überrascht, dass es so endete, wie es war. Warst du also mehr überrascht, oder fühlst du dich, als er vor dem Start des Films reingekommen ist, dass er schon bemerkt wurde?
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Und wie habt ihr euch durch die initiale Unverdächtigkeit getroffen? Denn es gibt natürlich immer viele Opinionen darüber. Es kann eine sehr schmerzhafte Sache sein, die zu einer Beziehung passiert. Es gibt Paare, die es durchführen.
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Das heißt, es gibt eine große Unterschiede zwischen etwas, das passiert, das man durchführt, und dann potenziell mit, weißt du, mehrfachen Erfolgen und ein paar, weißt du, falschen Entschuldigungen und solche Dinge, wo du ständig für das Gleiche verabschiedest. Du bist einfach so, oh mein Gott, du bist immer noch dran. Kann ich diesen nehmen?
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Do you have any thoughts or feelings about what I asked Brandt? My perception of how he handles people not believing in him?
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Watch your step ladies. Ich nehme das Papier. Okay, lasst uns anfangen. Willkommen zu den Vile Files, oder sollten wir es die unofficial Reunion von Temptation Island nennen?
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Ich kann beide Seiten einfach sehen. Aber meine Frage für dich ist, wenn du all diese Hörer hörst, ob es Produzenten sind, ob es die Temptressen sind. Keiner dieser Leute kennt dich und Ashley wie ihr euch kennt. Und also meine Frage zu dir war, hat es dir jemals passiert, dass du vielleicht erkannt hast, warum sie so viel Resentiment hatte? Natürlich, ich wusste, warum.
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Klar, und ich glaube, meine Frage, in Bezug auf, in Bezug auf das Glauben in deine dunklen Gefühle oder das Glauben, und wiederum, als Mann verstehe ich, was es fühlt sich an, dass dein Partner dich belittelt, besonders im Publikum, es tut weh. Aber gleichzeitig, wiederum, für dich zumindest, es ist sehr einfach zu verstehen,
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warum Ashley so viel Angst und Resentiment vor dir haben könnte, aber es hat nie wirklich geklickt. Ich denke, ich habe es nicht gemacht.
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Ich weiß es nicht. Ich habe gejagt, als wir über die Show gesprochen haben, dass du und Breon es quasi so gemacht hast, als ob ihr ein Opfer eurer Dicks wart. Das ist verrückt. Es war einfach so. Ihr habt nicht viel gesehen, aber okay, das ist der Grund, warum ich die Gäste fülle. Es war einfach so, du weißt, Mann, ich bin einfach so, oh, was ist das? Mein Dick will Sex haben, weißt du?
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ashley uh i will get to you um you know listen the man has his flaws he's acknowledged some of them but you kept going back you know and you seem as an intelligent smart self-aware woman but like you know we all have to like take some personal accountability for at some point and i say this a lot to the people who ask my advice or call in like there's always a point
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Beziehungen, Situationen, was auch immer, wo es nur so ist, jetzt ist es einfach auf dich, weißt du? Jetzt ist es einfach so, dass auch wenn die andere Person, was auch immer sie tun, du weißt, wer du verheiratet hast, richtig? Und du wusstest, wer du verheiratet hast. Hast du deine Lektion gelernt über diese zweiten, dritten und vierten Chancen? Weil Kind of the same thing I would say to Grant.
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At some point, I understand the anger, I understand the frustration, but what's the point of getting back together only to just make this man feel smaller or less than and kind of kick him, even if he does deserve it.
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I think maybe she's talking about what seems to be a more reactive...
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Wenn ich dich am Bar gesehen habe, bis Februar. Warum ist das so wichtig für dich? Ich frage nur, weil... Weil ich sie glaubte. Du glaubst ihr über was?
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Ich glaube nicht, dass jeder es beurteilen kann, dass ihr eine Verbindung habt. Ich meine, das Gegenteil von Liebe ist nicht Hass. Und ihr seid... Es gibt hier viel Gefühl. Niemand kann die Intensität, die Angst, die Schmerzen, die Leidenschaft negieren. Das ist der Grund, warum es mich verletzt hat.
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And that was the end of the story. She was just flaunting this Danny guy in front of me, too. Who cares? I was hanging out with Danny. I mean, it does seem like, listen, I get why you're mad.
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Es ist egal. Wir sind nicht zusammen. Wir sind nicht zusammen. Wir sind nicht zusammen. Wir sind nicht zusammen. Wir sind nicht zusammen. Wir sind nicht zusammen. Und dann konnte sie es nicht übernehmen, wie sie es gestattet hat, richtig? Also, welche Version davon ist für dich falsch? Weil ich höre, hör mal, du hattest eine toxische Beziehung. Ihr beide akzeptiert eure Probleme.
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Es ist viel Schmerz aus unserer Position. Es klingt einfach so, man, ihr seid zu weit weg. Und egal, wie viel Liebe da war, es gab zu viel Schmerz an beiden Seiten, um es zu lösen. Ashley kam zu diesem Verständnis. Sie beendete es. Und während ich verstehe, dass du viel Arbeit gemacht hast, war es sehr... Und ich verstehe es, richtig?
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Wie ich es vorhin gesagt habe, du hast all diese Arbeit gemacht. Und es ist so, dass du bereit warst. Aber sie war nicht bereit, dich zu vergeben. Und dann hat sie schließlich entschieden, zu verlassen. Warum macht das, was du in diesen sechs Monaten gemacht hast, weniger, egal ob sie nachher fucking Danny startet oder was auch immer sie tut? Was hat das mit...
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whatever growth that you committed to, regardless if Ashley wants you back or not.
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Ich denke, zu diesem Punkt gibt es eine Balance zwischen der Erkennung deiner Ungeheuerheit mit bestimmten Dingen und der Entscheidung, wie viel Detail du einsteigen willst. Aber an irgendeinem Punkt, ob du verletzt bist oder ob du auf TV bist oder ob du mit Freunden sprichst, gibt es einen Punkt, an dem dein Partner entscheidet, ob du die Linie überschritten hast oder nicht.
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Wir haben gestern mit Natalie gesprochen, und sie hat erwähnt, dass, als der Show beendet wurde, du, du, Natalie und Kay ein bisschen zusammengehalten wurdest.
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Ja, für etwa zwei Tage. Und was war der Kontext, ich glaube, speziell für dich und Kay? Weil du sagst, dass, sobald du ihre Wahrheit herausgefunden hast, du mehr gesagt hast, okay, ich will diese Person nicht überraschen.
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Und wir beide... Also hattet ihr euch als Freunde aus?
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Lass mich dich vielleicht helfen, diese Frage zu beantworten. Denn ich denke, wir alle, wie Menschen, brauchen eine Verbindung. Ob es unsere Partner sind, unsere Familie, unsere Gemeinschaft, unsere Freunde sind. Wir sind keine Spezies, die alleine sein soll. Ich denke auch in der Kindheit. Und zurück zu dem, was ich Grant gefragt habe. Und ich denke, speziell mit Männern.
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Es ist eine Sache, wo ich denke, Männer lieben, dass sie Freundschaften haben. Und viele Männer mögen es nicht, dass sie Freundschaften haben. Weißt du, was ich damit meine?
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Weil als Mann, hör mal, eine Freundin zu haben, das ist wie, du hast den emotionalen Unterstützung, du hast jemanden, mit dem du an eine Date-Nacht gehst, du hast das regelmäßige Sex, hoffentlich, du weißt, es ist wie, es ist einfach, du weißt, eine Film-Nacht, du weißt, es ist jemand, der Ideen ausbaut, das ist alles großartig.
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Und der zukünftige Vorteil, dass du diesen Partner hast, ist großartig. Dann gibt es das Sehen eines Freundes, was es so ist. Und ein Teil von dem Sehen eines Freundes oder einer Freundin ist das, was du weißt, für mich, wie mein Lieblingsding über das Sehen eines Mannes und das Sehen eines Vaters sind, wie die Zufriedenheiten, die ich für meine Familie machen muss.
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That's a lot. What about that? Taylor und Tyler, wie habt ihr die Gelegenheit gefunden und wo war eure Beziehung an der Zeit, an der ihr begonnen habt und was hat euch dazu gebracht, auf Temptation Island zu kommen und die Beziehung zu testen, wie ihr es gemacht habt?
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Weißt du, es ist so, dass ich nicht schaue, nicht zu sein. Ich schaue nicht, dass ich nicht rausgehe. Ob es die Bar ist oder wo auch immer. Nicht, dass ich es nicht kann. Ich wähle, mit meiner Familie zu sein. Es gibt vielleicht einzelne Momente, wo ich denke, das hätte Spaß gemacht, das wäre schön gewesen. Aber ich mag die Möglichkeit, für meine Familie Zauber zu machen.
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Als Individuum, aber ich meine, Like yourself or like a lot of people, I had three serious relationships in my 20s, right? And then in most of my 30s, I was single because like part of it is just like, you know, again, when you're younger, I think we don't know. It's like, again, you're 19, you're just like, your baseline for why you get in a relationship is, I feel something.
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Und dann haben wir ein Date, wir haben Beziehungen und wir haben einander verletzt. Und für mich war es eher die Unterschiede zwischen... Ich habe nicht geweint, weil ich alleine war, aber ich hatte das Gefühl, dass ich nicht jemanden hatte, Aber die Unterschiede zwischen 23-jährigem mir und 33-jährigem mir waren, 23-jährigem mir war es so, ich habe keine Angst.
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Ich habe einfach gesagt, lass uns dateieren. Du weißt, es ist fast so gut genug. Und nicht, um jemanden zu enttäuschen, aber es war so, es gab Dinge, die ich akzeptieren wollte, die ich letztendlich nicht mag. 33-jährigem mir war es mehr so, du siehst großartig aus und wir können viel Spaß zusammen haben, aber das ist nicht für mich.
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Und ich habe einiges Gutes gesagt, um großartige Dinge zu erreichen. Und in diesem Zeitpunkt musste ich mich alleine beschäftigen. Anstatt meine Freundin mit Ideen aufzubauen, brauchte ich einen Therapeuten. Oder ich sprach mit einigen meiner Männerfreundinnen und erlaubte mir, mit Männern verantwortlich zu sein, in einer Art und Weise, mit der ich mich nicht normalerweise verantwortlich fühle.
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Es geht darum, sich alleine zu gewöhnen. No one likes alone. So like in my 30s it was more like, yeah, I fucking hate this. But like it's still a better place for me to be than saying yes to something I know won't work. Does that make sense?
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Wie neu ist das? Ich habe in September offiziell getötet. Wann endet das Show? Ende Mai.
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I would love to talk about this. When you say people, who are people?
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Oh, ich wusste nicht, dass diese hier unten waren. Entschuldigung, bitte fortsetzen.
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He deliberately tried to do it to make you feel bad. At a minimum, you thought you deserved a little bit more consideration and empathy for the fact that clearly he was moved on and maybe you weren't.
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Do you wish you would have maybe handled it differently?
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Das bedeutet nichts. Nein. Glaubst du, das ist möglich? Ich sehe Ashleys Ansicht hier ein bisschen besser als deine. Das bedeutet nicht, dass ich dich nicht verurteilen will. Und diese ganze Erfahrung für euch, die schwierig ist, weil hier sind wir, du versuchst, mit echten Emotionen zu handeln, richtig? Ja. nach dem Bachelor zu gehen, richtig? Ich wurde von dieser Erfahrung emotional verdammt.
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Und dann war es so, hey, du wirst auf TV sein, was ziemlich aufregend ist. Und übrigens, wie nur mein POV, wie ihr alle auf einem TV-Show ging. Ihr wollt alle ein bisschen berühmt werden. Das ist cool. Es ist in Ordnung. Weißt du, es gibt viele Leute, die nicht tun würden, was ihr gemacht habt. Das ist auch in Ordnung.
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Du hast erwähnt, dass du in dieser Beziehung vielleicht unterappreizt und unerwartet warst. Kannst du uns ein bisschen darüber erzählen, was die größte Herausforderung in dieser Beziehung war und warum das letztendlich zu einer Verschiebung führte?
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Aber wie für andere Leute oder jemanden, der mehr berühmt werden möchte als die andere Person. Es ist so, komm schon. Das being said, I get that you had an experience. Like I said, what I've really picked up on in this conversation is that six months of fighting for Ashley was very meaningful to you. And on a personal level, it meant a lot to you. Aber es bedeutet vielleicht weniger für Ashley.
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Vielleicht war es so. Aber hat sie dir was gewonnen?
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Lass mich eine Frage stellen. Als du Taylor zu Taylor über den Gym hörst, siehst du seine Sicht? Ja. Okay. Ich fühle, dass es genau das gleiche ist. Hier sagt Tyler Taylor zu Taylor, klar, es gibt Gefühle, oder? Ob er es gemeint hat oder nicht, Taylor hat es als eine Sache bezeichnet. Er sagt uns, ob du es so bezeichnest, ich meine es nicht so.
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Und ich höre von Ashley, dass sie versucht hat, diese unglaublich, vielleicht schmerzvolle, aber lustige Erfahrung von euch auf die TV zu bringen. Und versuchen zu posten, sozial zu sein, Spaß zu haben. Aber für dich, es fühlte sich wie ein fucking Dig. Es fühlte sich wie ein...
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When I was the villain, my parents would be like, hey, this is a new thing. You're a piece of shit.
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Do you think you still have some work to do?
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Taylor, hast du irgendwelche Regretten für das Kommentieren auf Tyler's Mannhood?
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Es klingt so, als ob du ihr einen physischen Halt übergeben hast, aber nicht einen emotionalen.
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We haven't started an invite list at all. You guys, obviously, you're in love. There's not a lot of drama to unpack with you two. But we've obviously listened to a lot of hurt feelings on both sides. And you guys did get a front row seat with these people. Is there anything, Alexa and Lino, you'd like to share or add to the conversation?
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Und wenn das zu viel Arbeit ist, dann gehen wir weiter. Taylor, was ist etwas, du hast schon gesagt, du bist Single. Ja. Was möchtest du daran arbeiten, oder vielleicht hast du daran gearbeitet, dass du etwas ändern möchtest, wie du in Beziehungen bist? Speziell, weil ich nicht weiß, was zwischen den beiden passiert ist, aber wie ist deine Beziehung mit Tyler?
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Ja, also, ich meine, unser Kontext, wie du in einer Beziehung bist, ist meistens mit deiner Zeit mit Tyler verbunden und möglicherweise vorher mit, du weißt, du hast ein paar Hintergründe erzählt, aber vielleicht hast du einige Änderungen gemacht, vielleicht hast du einige Änderungen, die du noch arbeitest, aber was sind diese Änderungen, die du möchtest, um in deine nächste Beziehung zu einkorporieren, speziell, wie du dich verhalten.
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Denkst du, dass du ein schlechtes Habit hast, ein Veränderer in einer Beziehung zu sein?
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Was meinst du damit? Verdammt. Das bedeutet, dass du von ihm gehofft hast, du hattest Gefühle, Kaleri wurde verletzt, aber du hattest viele Noten dafür, was er tun sollte oder was du denken würdest, oder es gab einfach viele Dinge, die du nicht magst über ihn. Und ich habe gelernt in Beziehungen, dass Männer fühlen müssen, als ob du sie magst, als ob du sie stolz auf sie hast.
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Und du fühlst dich so, dass das wahr ist.
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Well, I want to thank you all. Obviously, this wasn't easy. It's clearly emotional. But thank you for being honest, you know, and hopefully I think eventually feel like it's healing. Maybe not right now.
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I know the Internet and all your fans and the fans of the show appreciate you guys coming together because clearly these were a lot of questions and a lot of what you shared are things that people are very interested in. So we very much appreciate it. Thank you.
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Thank you for coming. And thank you guys for listening. We will see you back next week. If you're new to the show, subscribe, all that fun stuff. We're here four times a week, so join the household. We welcome you. Thanks for listening.
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Danke, dass du ein bisschen Hintergrund darüber erzählst. Ich weiß, wir waren, ich war ein bisschen interessiert, was das war, was die Erfahrung war.
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Sorry. Let's go a little Beverly Hills before Chanel gets in.
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Speak your truth, Justin.
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Here's a question I have for all of you. Who is the most never wrong person in the cast of Beverly Hills Housewives? Every single one of them.
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Yeah. Like the most.
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No, no, no.
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What I mean by who's the most like in their, in this person's opinion, the most like never wrong person I don't know. She has stiff competition.
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Erika Jayne defended her earrings still to this day. And she could not have been more wrong about that. Kyle, you know, every other episode, she's kind of like talking out of one side and doing another.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah, but this particular cast, I feel like more than any other cast, really stick their heels in the ground.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
She did listen to our debate.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
You're right. They sit in silence and they wait for their ITMs a little bit.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah, no.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Anyway, so that is coming up shortly. Lots of good information from Lauren. And yeah, I'm excited for you guys to hear that. Then we have the very iconic Chanel Ion.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
There's a difference between order and like Sutton. Routine. And Sutton, and I quote, she did an interview and she, and this is a response. I have a drinking regimen that I do. Sutton revealed. At around 10 a.m., I think that's okay for your first cocktail of the day. And then I try to, it's just consistency through the day that I'm nicer. So she starts every day at 10 a.m.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
and then consistently drinks all day. How is that not a drinking problem?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah, I mean... They're just saying she's overreacting. She does seem to have kind of a problem. And it's obviously triggering for her because, I don't know, I don't know many people who are heavy drinkers who appreciate anyone else saying anything.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
So, I don't know, I thought Dorit was the savage, and I really love, and if you go as low as she did, like, that whole line about throwing out, like, basically, you know, Dorit's going through a divorce right now, clearly she is not of the, has the same financial means as some of her peers, and throwing that in her face, especially that whole episode opened up with, again, Sutton, you know, we now know that Sutton gets any, what, around, what, three, I don't know, how many? 300,000?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
after taxes a month and she's like i mean obviously maybe joking with jennifer tilly talking about like she's looking for a billionaire like as if like it's never enough but like that line basically just that like she marries for money and then like that and you know knowing that's how she accumulated her wealth and then she's throwing that in dorit's face as if like that was some sort of accomplishment or that she's better than dorit or that dorit doesn't have a place to like
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Is it Ion? Is it Chanel? I don't know. She obviously, shortly, recently, on her way here, literally on her way here, she was on a flight with the one and only Will Smith, posted a picture with him. As she often does, she gave her input and opinion on Mr. Smith himself. So very excited to talk to her about all things Will Smith.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
No, of course. Like, listen, they clearly are not, you know, I'm not saying that Dorit was like pleasant and nice and like the bigger person here. She wasn't at all. I just kind of loved the way she fought a little bit better than Sutton. And I will say that like going back to last season, other than Kyle and now Boze, Like this rest of this group, they're fucking mean to Dorit.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
They fucking bully her and mock her and talk behind her back. And they're just fucking cruel to her. And if you're Dorit and you're just like, fuck these people, they're constantly minimizing me and condescending me and talking down to me. It is hard for me to see that like Sutton and Garcelle. And Kyle technically in this scenario. Kyle sometimes are the ones being picked on.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I'm a little confused by this ongoing Moe and Kyle separation. I think they're not telling us something. I'm just like, get divorced at this point. Or not. I don't fucking care. But I thought this was last year's storyline.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Honestly, yeah. Exactly what you just said.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I honestly, the scene came up and I was like, wait, did Peacock all of a sudden start playing last year? Sometimes I put on the wrong episode or something. I was like, what? What's going on?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah, I'll say one thing about Mo and Kyle. They really seem like, despite whatever they're going through, they're not vindictive with each other. No. It doesn't feel that way.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Well, up next, she's here. Chanel Ayan is about to join us.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
In general, by the public? Yeah. Yeah, I don't think anyone gives a fuck, really. He does a ban from the, he has a lifetime ban from the Oscars, which is kind of- Well, I mean, as he should.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah. I mean, listen, it's not okay, but like- Sometimes a comedian needs to get slapped. I don't think if you punch someone, you get a lifetime ban from things.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Well, we're excited to have you. I don't know if you listen to the show, if you've been keeping up with commentary, but we had a great debate on Tuesday about your and Dave's situation. But we're so thankful and so glad that you're with us today because obviously a lot of our discussion debate was based off of things we didn't know and just kind of what we watched and things like that.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
So just did you listen to that conversation?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
So like, fuck me, right? Obviously.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Correct. Well, thank you for saying it. Thank you for listening. But yeah, I mean, what were your thoughts and feelings about our discussion?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
What what is the truth or your truth? I mean, let's just say what what is the truth as you see it, so to speak?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
For sure. Come on back. I think he learned his lesson. And I feel like that's the most that was the most interesting. The Oscars has been in. I don't know how long.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
So were you two having conversations about you potentially going on this show while you guys were hanging out occasionally?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Were you ever wondering if this was a smart decision, so to speak, based off of the fact that you might go on the show? Obviously, you have every right to do whatever the fuck you want outside of the show. I'm sure you are, like you said, a fan of the show. You've watched the show. I'm sure you've seen drama and fights about... past actions, you know, and, and what could come up.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I imagine when you were going through the casting process, like most people, it's kind of like first, you don't even think you're going to get casted. And then if you get casted, you're thinking probably show up, nothing will happen. Right. You're certainly not expecting to make a connection. You're certainly not expecting to get engaged. So I get all that.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Did it ever cross your mind that like, ooh, maybe like this, this is a little messy choice given like what you were potentially willing to say yes to if given the opportunity?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Gotcha. What would you have loved to see Dave do differently in that moment?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Do you know why they refused? Was it just like not wanting to get involved in the show or being on camera? Or did you get any inkling as to why they were?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
You think Dave was in the driver's seat here?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
The winner gets to slap all the other people while being like, I just want to like, I want to shout out to all my nominees.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Okay. All right. All right. Okay. Interesting.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
That was very embarrassing for him.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Wow. Okay. That's wild. When the next batch comes out, we'll get some resolution on whatever happens between the two of you guys.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Were there other signs from Dave that suggested that he was looking for an out in general, or was it mostly based off of this situation?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
He can sing as good as Bob Dylan, which I guess is... I think we need to ban biopics as far as Oscar nominations.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
At the time in which this drama happened, how all in were you as far as marriage goes? You know, or like, I guess my question is just like, I'm trying to figure out with this process, like, are some people like, fuck it, I'm engaged and we're going to get married unless something bad happens?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Or is it we got engaged and like, let's, you know, we have four weeks to figure out whether we're going to get married or not.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
It's interesting because I completely agree with Natalie with that statement. But if I'm still trying to empathize with this whole situation. Like, I think two things can be true at the same time. Like I can understand Dave having a hard time processing this rumor. Cause that's what it is.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
You know, rumor, you know, which has like maybe some truth to it, but obviously it's, it's, it's coming from someone who obviously is, has an alternative agenda and things like that. But to Nally's point, regardless of what the truth is, Dave is,
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
demonstrated you know basically an inability to cope while struggling with his own emotions and needing to be there for his partner who's also struggling and he was basically saying i need to be alone so that i can figure this out and regardless of what you're going through like that not my problem because my problem is your you you know it's like my needs come first sorry yeah correct yeah and
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Did you feel any type of way about his comments regarding Molly or feelings towards Molly outside of the show? Or do you feel like that was maybe dramatized a little bit for TV?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
You're so bummed you can't get some dick.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
We just talked about last, on Tuesday, how brilliantly Jason Isaacs is playing Thomas Ravenel. Speaking of White Lotus, though, Chris Pratt is super into his brother-in-law's cock.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I know Natalie, obviously, in our great debate the other day, used Dave's interest in other people's sex life as kind of a justification for Dave not taking sex seriously. But I didn't see it that way. I kind of see it as him just, again, I think a lot of people in these atmospheres are very curious about what other people are doing. There's a lot of confusion.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I also think just because, you know, you have a one night stand doesn't mean sex means nothing to you ever in general. It's just like, I think it's situational basis. But how did you see Dave's line of questioning to his peers as it relates to your relationship?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Did you ever tell Dave that despite him thinking they're jokes, that sometimes they're not funny?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I mean, listen, reality TV is not a safe space for sarcasm or any type of like humor in general, because it definitely can and often is use it against you. So yeah, I definitely watch those moments with a, A careful eye, so to speak.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
It's a tough situation given the, just like what the show is about, you know, and it's some hard to avoid some of these conversations without, you know, but also obviously every second isn't filmed.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
He didn't say cock. He said dick.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
some falseness to this like i should ask her when cameras aren't around so that she doesn't feel like i'm like putting her sex life on blast that's true he's definitely not he definitely wasn't overly considerate and empathetic to her how this might affect you that that is clear right right yeah right i was curious about your perspective about some of the other people in relationships but was madison as messy and toxic as she came across on the show
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
He said that dick.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Watching it back, do you feel like Madison got screwed over? Because I really quite liked his relationship with Meg. Again, don't know if this is editing or whatever, but it sure seemed like Madison sabotaged that relationship because she didn't get her way.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
And good for Abby Champion, his fiance.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
We have an opinion, but, you know, like we just, you know, sometimes context matters and sometimes context is lost in these episodes. So we were definitely curious.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah. Was there anyone who like you met in person? You're like, fuck, damn.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I mean, I saw it. I watched the episode. I didn't like pause and be like, oh, wow.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Well, after getting to know Ben, I don't know how much you did get to know him, but do you feel like maybe these accusations from the past have any truth to them or not?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
With Ben? Are there other? Yeah. There's others.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
And what was the general accusation that he just basically ghosted her?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
There was also YouTube cards. Yeah, did you see?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Okay.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Do you think, do you think we will want to have you back on this show to unpack your entire story with Dave? Maybe in person sitting on his couch. Like, cause we want, we want the drama.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Lauren, thank you so much for taking the time. I know that you carved some out of your very busy work schedule. So thank you. We appreciate it. And we look forward to watching the rest of your journey.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
All right. Take care.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Well, that's very interesting. So she hooked up with him a week before filming.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Sometimes we got ice cream before and after.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
A little salty tears and tears salted caramel. That makes it a little bit more than just fucking. I don't know. You don't need to say goodbye to your fuck buddy.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I wouldn't have been surprised, but I'm just surprised it was not.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I, uh, I, I mean, I don't know. I'm sure you guys still feel the way. She didn't change my opinion.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
But I'm not defending Dave. I'm defending sex.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
That was the argument I was trying to make while you guys were all yelling at me that I should... Well, someone told me I need a muzzle, so I won't be yelling any longer. You know, a lot of people who do this show, as someone who's been on these types of shows, nothing I find more kind of frustrating or just kind of...
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Shows that you haven't done these shows, when people say, you know what you signed up for, or you signed up for this. Because I don't think Dave, Lauren, and anyone in this cast has any clue truly what they signed up for. You know, they got the logline of, like, what the show's about. They've seen previous season. But until you're in that fucking crazy universe, you really don't know.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
And to that end, I give Lauren grace for, you know, making the decisions that she did. But I also appreciate that, you know, Dave was struggling with, like... questioning how serious she was. I think Natalie made a great point that regardless of who thought what or when, this issue revealed Dave's kind of shortcomings as a potential future partner.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
And I think more than anything, that was telling because regardless of what happened, two people who are weeks away from marriage, he clearly is someone who was incapable of like, you know, allowing his partner to also be in a space that he was in and working through it together, rather, you know, completely disconnecting and then emotionally abandoning his partner.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
That may be true, but I think this rumor caught him off guard. And I think whether right or wrong, I think he didn't expect this to come out. And he had an expectation. That expectation wasn't met. And in any situation, when you have an expectation it's not met, it fucks you up. And you have a hard time getting back to that
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
That motherfucker got right on it.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
What is a YouTube card?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
That's almost as brutal as Sutton was last night's episode. We'll get into that later. Your girl was on one, bro.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I prepared. That was fucking wild. Well, up next, we have the iconic Chanel Ion with us to get into all sorts of topics, especially her little interaction with Will Smith that she's on the same flight with him on the way here to the show. They're plane buddies.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Nope. She's not afraid of anything. She's fearless. She's Taylor Swift fearless. Full of myself? I don't know. Yeah. Anyways, we'll talk about that with her and more. All right, first question. Is it Chanel or is it Ion?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Nine girls and one boy?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Love that.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I wish I had the confidence to just like rename myself sometimes. Wow.
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Thankfully, I didn't read my DMs. Why did you bully me?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
That's coming. He's from Idaho.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
That means a lot coming from you because I don't feel like you say things just to be nice.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I think it's gonna, I think... First of all, it's not gonna be one of the best. It's gonna be fun and entertaining and, like, I mean, who knows? I guess it could be. I mean, James Marsden is in it. But, like, compared to Severance and the mind fuck that that is, and, like... But you don't think this is also a mind fuck?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
He's nicer than me.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Thank you.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I have a hard candy shell, but I'm soft in the middle.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I can tell. And your wife is beautiful. If you got me on your side, I'm a good ally. Really? I'm a bad enemy. And like you, I feel like, and I don't really know you that well, but I just don't have the time for bullshit.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Have you ever, other than like, you know, people you see on TV or online, have you ever been wrong about someone you met in person about like how you thought they were?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah, we definitely wish her the best. I mean, you know, obviously alcohol is a terrible drug and it can do terrible things. And, you know, it's a sickness for people who, you know, are addicted to it. And I don't know if that's what's going on with her, but she seems like she's struggled with consumption from time to time. So hopefully she definitely, you know, gets whatever help she needs.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
No, I think it's... Of how it's, like... I mean, spoiler alert, it's... Spoiler in the first episode, like, it's... It's about a potential asteroid or the world ending and somehow... They have to live underground in Colorado. It's like a fake.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Have you been able to talk to her at all?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I do like surprising people.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
You have an 18-year-old son?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I don't know how old you are. I don't know how old you are. I'm 50. And if you tell me you're 50?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I just want to see Annalie walking around with honey all over her face.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Did you know there's a 3% chance that an asteroid is going to hit the Earth in less than three years? And that used to be like a 1% chance. Not anymore. Not anymore? It changed?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Huh? Will Smith. Will Smith.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Is the asteroid kind of hit or not?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
It's right in your face here.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
And can your job be remote? In Dubai? Yeah, if I moved to Dubai and still did this show and had my team here, they would be like, cool, as long as you're making money.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
It was only 3%. So like a 1 in 40 chance or some 48.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Oh, thank God.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Why do you feel like they voted you off on Traders or killed you?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
What gentlemen having... Huh?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Were they doing things like this?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Was it a flash or did you let it marinate?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
For how long?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I mean, if she met the right guy, then she met the right guy. I think it's definitely a...
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
The traitors killed you, yeah, overnight?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Are you fast?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Very Tom Sandoval.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
You know what to know right there.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah. Sure. Unless Trader Joe's. I also just think it's incredibly situational. Like, if you were doing that with some random person, whatever, if you were doing that with someone who, like, was 6'2", had a beard, a couple pats, more flannel. Sure, sure. I'm like, maybe not, you know?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
okay question though is Kate Hudson in any way responsible regardless of what she thinks is appropriate like let's say it's a married person someone in a relationship man woman doesn't really matter you know should she be mindful of like how her quote unquote flirtiness is received by any of these people she's flirting with?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I have a great one.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Were you sad about Dubai not coming back?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Is it like a logistical thing just because of Dubai being kind of so far away and just like different time zones? Or why do you think it has been put on pause?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
And there's huge difference. And I know they're right. A lot of people like will perceive niceness is flirting, you know, and it's definitely not flirting. But there's also flirting that's straight up flirting.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah, I was going to ask you about that.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I want to ask you about that.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Allegedly.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah, maybe he wants his mom there. I just feel like Uba could really use... Me.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
How is Uba? Have you talked to Uba since?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I felt like it was Uba being the bigger person though.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I would like to see you on Roni.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
You're obviously excellent television. We didn't get quite near enough of you on Traders.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
You know you're good television.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Please come back on the show whenever you're back in town. Or maybe we can do it remotely or something. But don't be a stranger.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
And anytime you want to bully me on my DMs, please feel free.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I was a little disappointed you unsent them after I called you out on it.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
That was our memory. That was the beginning of our relationship.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Just, you know, be careful what you believe on the internet. I'm just saying.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
If your intention is to receive some type of validation from this person, then it's completely inappropriate.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
You called me the hottest man in America. So like we can.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Wow.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Bye. What a dream. I just don't remember anyone calling me the best-looking guy in America.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah, I forgot. I wasn't listening.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
We started watching a little bit, and then the season wrapped, and then... Pause. Yeah. I really think Dubai so far. Just wondering if she would do other TV.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
If you're not thinking you're flirting, then it's not.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I want to get on a plane that has a cabin.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Both.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Did she say there's a shower? Yeah. Outside of the cabin.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I want to go to Dubai just to go on that plane.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Thank you to our guest, Chanel Ayan and Lauren from Love is Blind. Also, if you haven't listened to the Bella Thorne episode, everyone's talking about it. It's an absolute doozy. You will be clinched just soaking up all the conversation. So if you are not privy to that interview yet, be sure to go ahead and listen to it right now. You will not regret it.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
We will see you next week for another explosive, fun episode of all the things that we do. We'll see you then. Bye. Bye.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah, but a lot of times. That's just who you are. Sure, but flirts and I've always been like a flirt. There's an element of like, you want it back. You know, there's a banter. Yeah. You know, and when I was just being nice. I might say, oh, you look great today. It's a beautiful dress. I don't say that's flirting. I'm just commenting on the dress. If I say, oh, that looks sexy on you.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Completely different.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Well, Michaela Matthews from Mormon Wives is clapping back because... Did we find out what the critics were saying?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
As someone who's at a front row seat to my mom having a handful of pregnancies and just like being lucky enough to be around women who have been pregnant, like a pregnancy can be incredibly healing and therapeutic, both physically and mentally. And like, I think it's just so fucking weird.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
To criticize that, especially someone who really truly has been struggling with her chronic illness that she's been struggling with. And also like there's a huge difference between people who like talk about their family and share their experiences if they're online versus like people who, you know, use their kid as props and clearly are doing like skits with their kids.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Well, anyways, we get sending love to Michaela because obviously what she's going through is that, you know, dealing with a chronic skin problem is for anyone difficult and it sucks. So sending her all the love and good health to her and her child.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another jam-packed episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick, and I could not be more excited about this episode. Let's just preview exactly what we got going on. First, shortly, in a few minutes, have Lauren from Love is Blind this season to basically help us clear up our great debate.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
And she's the one who referred to herself as Thomas Jefferson's concubine.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
How many Bravo celebrities have gone to prison?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Jen Shah.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Well, Jen shot Teresa and now Karen. So three.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Do you think this is more like a Wes Wilson opinion, or do you feel like he has inside information?
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Entire cast is kind of giving you baby.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Sierra could crush it.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I feel like Paige would kind of be, like, using a wooden spoon to, like, kind of nudge the baby if she had to push it. Yeah.
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
I think if you look at the cadence of it, me having that you know, need for, it kind of came full circle for both of us. Cause I had the initial, like, I can't do this. You're not getting me what you need. And maybe I was carrying resentment from that, that I didn't acknowledge. I think that I was, you know, I don't really feel like I'm a jealous person.
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
So when she would go out and go to events or parties or whatnot, I would just, you know, have a good time, like see you later. See you when you get home. It wasn't something that I really wanted to be involved in. But I did feel when I got to the show that thing that I guess... Listen, I'm sure at some point in my life I've been cheated on. I don't know. I'm not for certain. But I can just tell.
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
I don't know that feeling because I've never specifically seen or felt what it felt like. And that emotion is... is really intense. And to see her with JR so quickly have a connection and have it be like, there was, it was obvious that even though there were other people attracted to her and other people that wanted her attention, they were magnets. And I was very aware of that from day one.
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
Yeah. And that was a more difficult thing to digest than I could have ever anticipated.
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
No. I trusted that there wouldn't be beyond a certain level, but I was also understanding that we were going to be dating other people. And that, you know, I may have a connection. She may have a connection. She had asked me one point if, you know, about sex, I said, no. So we kind of knew that that was off limits.
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
You asked me specifically if I was bringing condoms.
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
But it's... That was not discussed that you didn't want to do that. No, I had... Between you and I. You may have had your own reservations off.
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
Like, I didn't know that you didn't want to do it.
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
I mean, I think being with humans is a lot easier than being with social media.
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
But I do genuinely, like... I mean, taking sarcasm out of context for a very serious conversation is... is a little risky, but I can hear what you're saying. And I think that we were trying to make light of it together as we always did when we had fun conversations.
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
And I think if you went into this with, you know, a hard nose into the wall and trying to like, there wouldn't be a reason. I did want it to be a fun experience for us. You're a absolutely gorgeous human being. And like, you are going to have the attention of men, no matter if you're with me or with somebody else. So jealousy is not best served in my situation with or without the show.
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
Like, what do you mean by that? That she's gorgeous. She's going to get attention from men, no matter what.
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
So like me being open about it, it doesn't do me any good to try to feed into the idea that I would become jealous. I was just trying to be open-minded that she would have a connection on the show, that I would have a connection on the show. We learn about ourselves through it and then we get back together and work on the things that we both wanted to have and see where that would end up.
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
The thing is, we did a lot of that. And we did do a lot of work together after, even with our time together.
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
And even after all the drama and the madness and the things with JR and whatnot, we were able to come together as a couple again and have some breakthroughs because we recognized that there were some very deep wounds that we triggered in each other and weren't showing up for each other in specific ways. I wasn't holding space in certain ways. She wasn't holding space in certain ways.
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
And we had conversations that I was hopeful to have to move forward. Unfortunately, at that point, the relationship had run its course. And I think that at the very least, I can look back and have the, I wouldn't say it's
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
my heart is full that we had those conversations because i had to still deal with all the stuff before but i am glad at the very least that if there was any reason for me to stay it was to have those chats which nobody sees you know that's not in i mean i get why you wanted to make it to the part where you get back together with your girlfriend for sure
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
I have to keep some privacy to my life, but something happened that day and it was not to do with our relationship. And it was a very, very heavy, extremely... Somebody in my life who I've known for 13 years and has been one of the closest people in my life did me... I mean, this show is nothing compared to how... And you wanted to talk about it with Sandy? I had a bad reaction to that.
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
I went out. I did run into Carly and Lori. And I was in a bad way. And I...
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
don't think sandy quite understood the volume of what was going on because i wasn't i was i wasn't communicating i was drunk and i was i was upset i was irate i was irate at somebody else like and it unfortunately came through like i was because she was already annoyed with me at that point about me continuing to reach out but it's not just like i just want to make it clear it's not just like oh he was reaching out to me you guys like oh he was calling me and texting me how dare i like
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
It's a struggle to go through what we went through and then have so many opinions get thrown around that are not based on true life interactions with either of us. What do you mean by true life interactions? I think that the show gives a perspective on a moment in time that we were dealing with, which was tremendously difficult.
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
I felt like that was a little much.
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
Because no one else was living in that close proximity.
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
I don't know how you sleep. So sleep deprivation, emotional feelings, alcohol. I was not at a good mental place. I think that's pretty clear.
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
So I walked out to do like, you know, we do our interviews and it was one of the nights where Mariah, it's funny because you see it on the edit as if I'm like trying to look at into their door or something. And I, I walked out into the courtyard, looked up and, you know, cause we separated during that Mariah and I were having a night where we're painting or doing something.
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
And I walked out so she could do her interview. I was walked out to the courtyard, sat down. I looked up, I saw Jr. I was like, Oh yeah.
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
At that point, you know, sounds like things you make up. At that point, you're just going footsteps and time. It's like you don't start to make up things that you're saying.
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
you know are not true and i i don't believe are true because we've had some pretty definitive and honest conversations about that and i think that i believe you and trust that those things did not occur but i think that um it felt that way very much the volume of that was turned up full you know full tilt in my head and i was going to bed thinking about what were you hearing
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
The noises in itself are far more removed from... And this is also something that I really need to... I feel like I need to address is that they did have a very genuine connection.
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
So I wasn't like, that wasn't something I was just making up in my head that they were, it's like, she wasn't put off by him. She wasn't unattracted to him. She was, they were leaning into each other from the jump and you could see that from the start.
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
And as far as my social media experience prior to this, it was pretty much purely based on work. It wasn't personal. So I never opened my phone to people making comments about...
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
So that's why the whole, like when I found out that they kissed before they even moved in together, I'm like, well, if that's happening that fast, what's next? And now they're living above my head.
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
Yeah. I'm a creative person, so I can create things.
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
I don't think anybody is good when they drink. I don't think you've been your best self when you've drank. I don't think I'm your best.
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It's like we also have to take ownership of both sides. And I think that's what we've been doing so we can be clear about this and clean. And I also think it's still very truthful that I was going through watching something. Actually, not even watching at that point. Feeling. And that's what I was actually a bit of a... I was concerned because I thought that I was...
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myself or sandy or any of the other people that went through this with us so it's challenging to not take it personally and kind of ground yourself through you know the the fact that this is through a lens that other people are witnessing and just try to stay truthful with what we know to be and are you are you staying offline though are you actually going on and seeing what people think
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going to see the show and be like wow like you had nothing to worry about and i just i don't think that's true and i think that i did observe especially from jr's side him genuinely feeling for her and care for her and he seems to be you know he seemed to be throughout it very protective of you and uh very much you know i think he knew what i was going through with you
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How are you, Nick? Good. Good. Happy to have you. Thank you. Appreciate you guys having me.
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Well, why did he feel like it was his place? That's not what I mean. He called you his wife.
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I would say that in the beginning, I was definitely paying a little bit more attention and I recognized for my mental sanity that, you know, it's not.
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I would agree with that. And that can be very difficult. It's horrible.
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I was trying to get her out of there. I was trying to use everything I could to, you know.
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I should have loved myself enough in those moments to just leave. And honestly, like, I think that I, I let the, you know, the more emotional, hopeful, romantic, whatever part get the best of me. And I think that I was, I agreed to do this. Like I agreed to do this and I do have to take ownership of that. Um,
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I also went through something that I honor that Mariah was able to stay stable and sane through it. Being there on my own and feeling the feelings that I was feeling, I wasn't treating myself with the kind of mental clarity and health that I needed to, that I'm working on now. And I do think that Sandy and I are good mirrors for each other to evolve through separate relationships.
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And as you said, with the toxicity to it, there was a dynamic in the relationship prior to that. As I said, when we started, she was all very push-pull with me and kind of like wanted me when she wanted me, but then wanted to do our own thing.
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And I finally set a boundary around that, but then I gave into the boundary and it kind of, it ignited this part of us that was a lot of fun and a lot of, you know, we had an incredible physical chemistry and we always had a hell of a lot of laughs together, but we weren't serving each other in that safe place that clearly I was needing in that time.
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I understand that vibe, but I think that... It's so interesting. What people don't see is that I was absent moving into this. I wasn't checking in with her. What do you mean by absent? I was just in my own... I was...
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We wanted different things. We just wanted different things. I mean, when it comes down to it, we went to Europe the month before, before we knew we were going to get on the show. I had a friend's wedding that came up. She came with me. She wanted to go to Mykonos. And this is something I have to own. I'm really bad at making choices in the moment. I'm not a good planner. I get that.
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I go kind of like off the cuff. I definitely fly by the seat of my pants. Like if I'm going to paint, I want to paint all night. Sometimes that takes two nights. Sometimes I'm not there during the day. And that was, that is, that is who I am. Like I have to own that. And that can not, that can feel very shitty for a partner. I'm sure I don't have the same love language as she has.
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And, you know, I, I was trying to work on the physical touch aspect and get there because it just is not something I naturally do. I think we had a, The other type of physical touch for us was intense and wonderful, but I'm just day to day, you know, handholding and things. I, I somehow just haven't, I never developed that. I never developed that, that sort of, I guess, rhythm to how I show up.
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And she wanted to go to Mykonos, which was after that. I felt like Mykonos was too much overwhelming, but I agreed to it reluctantly, which I shouldn't have done. And then I put her in a state of limbo.
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We're far more on the same page.
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I was far less... My volume was far lower when it came to... I remember you making a comment at some point like, is there anything that upsets you? And I think that I was... It wasn't that I wasn't upset. I just hadn't gotten to that point where I felt like... I don't know. I didn't feel angry. And I didn't feel that it was serving me. In our relationship, there was...
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Excited to do this? No, I think the nerves are through and pass. Yeah, it was a wild ride. I mean, it's been some time, so I think that we're all in different places now. Well, here we get to finally set the record straight. We will dig into it. I can hear it. I don't know what to expect.
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there was a lot of frustration that Sandy didn't feel like she was getting from me, like the emotions and the volume of whatever she was desiring. And I think that Sandy is a fiery person. She's got a lot of like passion and artistry in her own way through life. And I think that just comes down to the fact that like we communicated poorly when I wanted, she didn't, when she did, I didn't.
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And we just, we kind of reverberated this, like this really deep connection through who we, how much we love each other as people, but continuing to kind of see that like, it's probably isn't going to be a forever thing. And I was hopeful that that was going to shift. And honestly, when this came up, I was like, let's put ourself in a scenario that really shakes things up.
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And let's see if we can break through this together and find like a new road together. And I think everyone saw that it went the other direction. That doesn't mean that I need to resonate in that negativity anymore. I forgive. We've had plenty of conversations. I want her to be happy. I hope that she ends up with somebody that she feels...
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follows the spirit and the goals that she wants in her life. And I think that it's been a really challenging test, but I will say through my process after the show and everything that I've done, she has been immensely supportive because I recognize that I was using alcohol and coping through numbing skills that were not healthy. And so I did go.
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to check in and see you know what i could do for myself to to change that behavior because i never recognized it as something that i really needed to get help with and it's been it's been hard you know it's something that is so socially accepted especially on the shows like these where everybody's having a drink and people are you know moving it around like it's it's everywhere and it's really hard to take a step back from yourself especially when you're feeling like shit and um and look at that pattern and i think that the one thing i will say is no matter what
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my frustrations were with her, with the show, with the breakup. She was always consistently supportive with me and me getting to a better place.
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I mean, even though we're broken up, I still have so much care and gratitude for the experiences we had prior to the show. And there's a reason we were so connected on so many levels. And I think for me, I'm in a bit of a... I don't want to see or hear anything negative towards her. I mean, she had her experience. I had my experience.
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I don't care about Jarrett. I mean, Jarrett's like, if I was Jarrett, I'd be into her too.
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Yeah, I mean, I apologize for Jarrett. I was just more like, I wouldn't have apologized to him.
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Yeah, they didn't get the whole combo. I mean, there was definitely, I'm sorry for showing up, but dude, what the fuck are you talking about? This is my girlfriend.
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Scotty, which I wasn't. And I also was at the point... Which I thought was just weird. That wasn't. I was not okay. And I also walked into Scotty and JR having a conversation about Sandy that wasn't about me. And I was just like... Okay. I'm not sure at what point. And I felt like I was living in a kaleidoscope at that point. This is my person. This is the person that I came to the show with.
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She's the person I know the best and people are having conversations with her and about her as if They are involved with her more than I am. And that was, you know, at that point, Caleb and I, you know, Caleb stepped in. I said, I got this like, and that's when I kind of started to go towards JR and say, well, listen, I know that Sandy's telling me something. Why don't you tell me what's going on?
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why don't you tell me the truth? If this is something that I need to be worried about, or I'm just making this all up in my fucking head and I'm losing it for nothing, like come correct. And also what's your stance and what are you going through with Zaina? Because I know a lot of conversations going on about me and Sandy, but where are you with Zaina?
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And like, where is that for your relationship? That conversation is obviously not captured, but I never had a specific issue, nor do I with JR as a human. If I,
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But for me, I feel very protective of her when it comes to people saying things that are way outside of who her actual character is. It doesn't feel good for me.
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You know, I think that what a lot of people are seeing is the end of a real relationship and, you know, the experience provided a, um, you know, a rapid departure for the relationship and it wasn't the healthiest way for us to move apart, but I don't know if there's any healthy way to break up.
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I think more than... Basically, you know, I would... Yeah, I was drinking and I was texting like crazy and calling like crazy. Could you give us some context? It's not like... I think she felt like I was doing everything in my power to ruin the experience for her.
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And I think it's just more like... But I can also... And I've gotten to this point now where if the relationship was solid... we would have come together. You know, I think she would have been less upset with the past. She would have been less upset with the contact. She, I think, was upset at me leading into the show, which bled into the show.
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And then when I showed up like, oh my God, I need you. And she's like, well, dude, you haven't been here.
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What are you thinking? What are you feeling? I mean, I'm a lot of gratitude for the words. And I think that I don't, I don't choose people as partners that I think are not going to be something that I, I mean, I do lead with my heart and my soul. I feel like, and I felt like there was that soul connection from the beginning.
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I did feel there was a depth and energy to her and a spirituality that was like, So it resonates through me when I'm with her. But our lifestyles were challenging for me to feel safe. What do you mean by that? She has a big social life. She goes out a lot. And I never felt like she was going to be unfaithful or anything to that degree. But I didn't feel like I was...
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Yeah, I felt like it was kind of like a vacant space that I had already seen. And I was curious what was filling her cup in that area. But I am different. And that does fill her cup. And I think that I have...
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some social anxiety and she has social integration and she's like very comfortable walking into a room with a ton of people and i am more comfortable in my studio or whatever you know it's like and i it so when it comes up like let you go ahead go do your thing it's because it didn't feel like i needed to be a part of it but i did feel like it be it was it is more a part of her life than somebody that i want to be with and i think that it felt like i was
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Thank you. maybe just wanting a slower pace for things. And, you know, I, I think that I was trying to organically kind of massage her that way. Like, look at how beautiful, like us a house by the lake and like chill and this. And she's like, yeah, but you know, what about this place in LA? And I'm like, you know, it's just, we, we would laugh about it.
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And then the conversation would kind of end and we both kind of like, it wouldn't really come to a solution whatsoever. And, That was just, I am not in that scene and it's not to take away from anything that, but like what I've been working on also is like my people pleasing thing, right? So like, I'll just say, oh, this is okay. And I'm okay with it. when maybe I'm really not so okay with it.
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And I'm not asking for what I need in a relationship and like not really putting myself first in certain ways and then resenting or like quietly resenting through it and not, you know, just like actively being a part of it. So, you know, it's, it's, it's really wonderful and magical to feel what she just said. I think that
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I have had a hard time through this, like knowing that I knew it in my gut, but like, I don't think that that description came within our relationship often. I think you would probably agree.
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
more of this less of what the other stuff i was drinking yeah i would say you know it's uh it's pretty clear i think it wasn't clear i'll be honest yeah it wasn't were you drinking a lot of alcohol yeah i wasn't sleeping you know i was having a very difficult time being in my apartment um and It just kind of tallied up and tallied up and tallied up.
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You describing how much you love me and why you love me and.
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And I was definitely craving that, like, very much from her.
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because i was talking about you the whole time of course of course you could give like that's no no no but nick it's like but about of course she knows that that's what your experience is because i'm telling her how much i fucked up yes of course i'm sorry i miss her i can't believe this is happening how you know why no but about it just yeah it just was really it was really surprising i had no idea that like i'm like how do you know i were also communicating after like friends i thought vanessa was a friend she's not it's obvious
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Because I described everything I was going through with you to her. But she knew.
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I mean, I was... I think it's very clear. I was using alcohol and not on the show, but other things prior to and after. And I was numbing. And I have realized that there's something there and that I need to take care of that. And that I was...
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And I was far more emotionally volatile or reactive than I would ever want to show up for somebody that I care for. No matter how crazy the experience was, I don't feel that I showed up with my true authentic self. And I think that's hard to digest in any scenario, especially when you have to watch it on TV.
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And it's also hard to be in that from her end and not know necessarily how to support it because her relationship with it was different. Yeah, very different. She drinks and parties in the way that she parties and I took it to another place. And I was, you know, I think the numbing thing. It's like just to be with yourself and be with your emotions sober and like let that be...
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what it is has been a challenge for me. And I think that that created a bit of the way I would check out or the way I would speak to her felt like, I don't know. I mean, it's your experience. I think my version of it was I was looking for comfort that I needed to work through, but I was looking for her to answer the question when I need to answer it within myself.
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trying to pour all of this onto her and say, can you figure out how to figure me out? And that's a lot for somebody who's also not, and I'm not saying that she fell out of love with me at a certain point, but I think that it becomes, I've looked at myself through this and I'm not attracted to what I see. So I can't imagine that being a safe place or something that she wanted to continue in.
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And I think as a friend and as a human, we were always supportive, but I think that she was recognizing that that wasn't a space that she wanted to be in.
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I mean, every day is a process. I've had a couple times where I've gone back. I did go to recovery. It was traditional, inpatient. And I felt a lot of community there, which was one of my biggest takeaways that I do tend to isolate when I feel badly. And that not Being vulnerable to need a support system when I needed it.
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And again, just looking at Sandy to kind of be the guiding light for what I needed to explore with other people who have been through a similar situation.
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So I've had my ebbs and flows with it. I think that I recognized through the experience that I needed to take a harder look at it. It had been something that came up in our relationship prior and that I would go... I would sometimes feel like I had... had it together. And then sometimes I would dip back into it. And I don't think that I was getting the kind of mental health support and system.
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
Um, yeah. Yep. I mean, I have a, you know, a tendency, I've, I've explored a lot of psychedelic therapy. Unfortunately, there's something in the psychedelic therapy world that is also a bit of a two headed snake. And I got pretty into that. Um, you know, so, uh, yeah.
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Yeah. I mean, to, I think the shame is in the lies, right? Because she has, she did come to me countless times and say, just as long as you tell me the truth about what's going on, I can, I can be there for you. But what happens is you feel so guilty about what you're doing that it doesn't, you feel like the rejection's the next thing to come, not support.
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It's not, it's not sexy to be involved with something that, that pulls you in a direction every time. And like, I think as I look back and recognize the escapism in it, it's like, what am I not seeing in myself that I need to go chase this feeling through life? K or booze and they're disassociatives, right? So that's, I wanted to disassociate, especially when it comes to art.
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Like sometimes it's easier to just disassociate and, and be free with that. I don't think it's, I don't think drugs and alcohol are any, uh, stranger to people who are artists or, you know, or creative. Um, you know, there's something in that is challenging. It is, it is challenging to, to be sober and feel, um, okay.
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And I wasn't putting the right structure in place for me to not use, you know, things to escape.
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E860 Going Deeper with Nick and Sandy - The Ultimatum
Two things. If I don't think it happened, regardless of it did or did, it didn't happen. I don't think it happened, but the perception is that it did. That was my perception. After speaking with Sandy, I believe her. I do. I trust her. I don't really, we're not at a point in life where like there's anything, but she would have a reason.
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Like it's, it's the relationship is like, there is no more of that. It's at this point, like radical honesty with each other about how we can best, you know, figure out what we did wrong in the relationship and move forward. I'm in a new relationship. It's not that part. That ship has sailed.
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But I think that in the experience, I felt like there was a really heavy connection, regardless of what that meant, whether it's holding each other at night or loving on each other or being intimate or being physical or even emotional. All of that was unfolding. And when I watched it, I was like, you know, whoa, you know, this is, this is, this looks pretty real.
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And regardless of if they had sex or not, to me, it looked very real. I do believe that it was a real connection. And I also believe that it would have been, it would have been, I think everything happens for the right reason, right? Like, had I not spun and like, I was completely Zen and we got back together and like perhaps did end up with an engagement. And then I saw that,
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like then it would have been a whole nother mess of stuff to have to deal with. And I, you know, I think everything happens for the right weird twisted reason in some way. And like, I, I did feel that we were separating as a couple.
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And I do think that they both leaned into the experience pretty quickly and, and in a way that wasn't very settling for, you know, for myself to observe, but I do not believe that they had sex with that.
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I mean, I didn't know what to expect either.
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And there's no way I knew he had it. I mean, he has this tiny on his hands.
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Well, it was, I wanted both. So this is not like, it was not some random mistake. So at some point you're going to get the other one. Yeah, I was like, I'm not, I'm either going to get.
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Yeah, I was either going to get Forge and Favors of the Bold or Love Conquers All. And then I was in there like super emo. I'm like, fucking Love Conquers All, let's do it. Like this will be, I'll show up. And then I had given him two stencils. I think I slept maybe 20 minutes prior to that. I think you can see in my eyes, I was pretty out of it.
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Also not the best time to get a tattoo, but I have more. I'm going to get more. Like it doesn't. Same. But I do think that the right tattoo was put on my body.
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I mean, I didn't know he had it, but he's also not my arch rival. I'm just fucking with you. I think it's like, I think anybody would have been into Sandy that was going to date her.
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I think that I was a little concerned about the authenticity from the beginning and I did express that to her. With him? Yeah, I felt like I was, again, part of me was protective and I didn't think that it was necessarily, I don't know, just didn't feel right. Something felt off.
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But I don't have, you know, I think there's a lot in this show that's like, people are experiencing this, people are experiencing that. And then we're seeing clips and then people are saying this, people are saying there's a lot of telephone going on. And then there's the humans that are experiencing trying to figure out if they want to stay together for the rest of their lives.
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It'd be hard to be doing worse, I suppose, than that experience, for sure. Hi.
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I agreed to do this experience, right? Like, I signed up. I signed on the dotted line for us to break up. I was, we were in a place where I think this actually, Had it been a healthier setting for both of us, we would have gotten a healthier answer, but probably would have arrived at the same point.
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I think we were trying to find the next thing to either bring us absolutely together forever or break up. And I went into it, I would say maybe a little flippant and arrogant that it would be fun. And, uh, you know, we would kind of laugh about the experience and come back in this loving, Oh my God, I missed you. And how could we do this? And obviously that didn't go down the way that I thought.
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And so I spun out. Um, I was very, very emotional and being alone through that, I was basically, I would say I was contacting Sandy to the point where it was, it had to be uncomfortable for her to be dealing with that. I was not in a grounded place. I was texting and calling incessantly and not, you know, not knowing what to do. When I look back now, Should I have left?
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Maybe, maybe so at that point, I was committed to trying to get through the pain to experience our time together. And I look at it and see a very, I mean, did you say anything like,
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What are we not seeing? So I was essentially an absent boyfriend moving into the show. I was unsure about... If we were going to be, if she was going to be able to meet me where I wanted to go. And that's probably not the, you know, Sandy was in a position in her life where she's excited about LA kind of culture.
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Like she's immersed in a culture that I've kind of been a part of for a long time and was trying to pull back from. And I think we were, I've said this multiple times, but we were, We arrived at the same destination at different times. And I think that I was pretty cut off from what she needed for me emotionally moving into the show.
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I think that's something that wasn't shown a lot of is Sandy and I started as very, very good friends. And we did have a physical connection, but she had come out of a relationship. I was very much ready to commit. I had been in a point in my life with her where we'd been dating, but I was ready and she wasn't. And she was very honest about that.
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But I had to essentially say at this point, like, I can't continue to be physical with you anymore because I'm not getting the emotional side of you that I'm yearning for.
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And then I started to see somebody else. And she came back.
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Full twist and said, I recognize that I love you. I recognize that I want to be in a relationship with you. I am here to commit. That relationship that I was in was very easy to depart from. And we then made a commitment to each other. We'd always had a lot of fun together. We had a lot of good stuff going.
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Yeah.
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And we have Miranda, who was an OG mom of MomTalk, wasn't on season one, was a part of the swinging scandal with Taylor, is joining the cast, so...
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I appreciate them all. They're all necessary. They're all necessary. They're all necessary.
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Truly. Yeah. How do you pick a favorite saint?
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Mikayla.
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Her soundbites. She's fast.
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Well, she's so demure. She's very demure, but she's ready.
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Can I ask... I might be the most obsessed with Whitney. Yeah. In a weird, like...
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I'm just kind of obsessed with it.
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Uh-huh. No, these are special women. These are special women.
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Yes.
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I say happy for... No, this is great for Hannah Brown. Great for Hannah. For sure. She's kind of been quiet for a while.
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You don't even know where that is.
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Like if you're Wells as a friend, you're very close with Wells and Sarah. Is this kind of a bit of a demotion?
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But do we need three hosts?
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You know, like there's only so much airtime.
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What's their big advice? Like to not marry someone from the franchise?
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Well, Jesse's never been a contestant on the show.
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He was the bachelor. That was like a whole different like era of the bash. Yeah, he was like the third.
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Guys, this is fucking crazy. Don't end up with any of these people.
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They love a success story, except...
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Yeah, Jade and Tanner.
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Dean and. Dean and. Kaylin. Kaylin.
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It'll be fun. Costa Rica. I've heard good things. It's a very beautiful location. I'm a little sad they're not going to that. That place was perfect for that show.
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what's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of the vile files reality recap edition i am your host nick and boy do we have an incredible exciting episode for you today we went yesterday to hulu's big like showcase like i don't know if i had like an official get real get like it's like get real you know play on like
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The old beach. Mexico. All right, well, up next, Alex Baskin, executive producer of The Valley and many other Bravo shows, is with us next to break down The Valley. It was a wild episode last night, dark even. Before we bring Alex on, who are the people you care most about? Kristen.
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Michelle and Jesse for me. Give me more of them.
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It's so dark and toxic.
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We showed up a little late to the event. We brought River.
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I want to see, like, when a scene comes on and they're in it, I'm hooked. And when it ends, I'm like, go back to them.
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The Jesse and Michelle.
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Yeah.
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I kind of feel like Jax and Brittany, it feels a bit performative.
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We did. How was River's first event? What was her first event? Oh, excuse me. Did you feel like, are we bad parents? I felt like the Coachella mom. Yeah. Was River the only one under?
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I don't think so.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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It was a weird conversation.
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He's like, yeah, so that'd be like $30,000 for 30 days. Just do the 30 days, dude. I think that's better than two 15 days. It was like, are you selling him a happy meal?
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Yeah.
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You gotta go. Bye guys. See you later. Thanks for coming. That'll be $30,000 for your mental health. That's weird.
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Having them call Sheena made it feel a little staged.
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But what does it say about Jesse who immediately, I don't, this is his girlfriend? Allegedly.
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Before we even meet this girl on TV, he's immediately throwing her under the bus by like calling Sheena his friend and having Sheena just platform a rumor about a person we've never met. Who is? Who is Sue Happy?
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Oh, you said Sue Happy. I was like, is that her name? Sue Happy?
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Well, let's bring in Alex, and we can get some of our burning questions answered. Very excited to talk with him, and he is up next.
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Oh my God.
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We had to walk through some loud rooms. But other than that, like, she's just like the only baby there. I was like, I was worried that people were judging us. And then Jimmy Kimmel showed up.
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Alex, welcome to the show. Thank you for having me. Very excited to have you.
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Torture chamber?
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I mean, until today.
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Exactly.
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Well, I just want to start by saying thank you for all the great TV you've made over the years. Oh.
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Well, you know, it's a mutually hopefully beneficial, but we've really enjoyed watching you make great TV. Can you just let our audience know for those who don't know you, like what is your role and what has been your involvement with some of the shows that Bravo has put out over the years?
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Trying. Some of our faves, to be honest, on Bravo. Obviously, we want to get into the Valley with you. You know, we just watched the new episode last night. Beverly Hills just ended. There's obviously been a lot of fallout with Garcelle's exit. And then there's, you know, what like recently Garcelle... Unfollowed Sutton's brands. After what? What happened?
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He is the host of Late Night with Jimmy Kimmel on ABC, which is like part of the Hulu Disney family. Said hi to Jimmy. He did. He did. He recognized me, which was, you know.
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She's like, okay, well, thank you for reminding me.
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Do you know anything? I mean, I don't know what you can share, even if you do know things. But like, one, were you surprised as we were that Garcelle did what she did at the reunion and then decided to leave the show? Or did you kind of see it coming?
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That makes sense. Yeah.
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when the production company and i'm sure there's a collaboration between you guys and bravo but when you end a season what is the process that you guys go through of like deciding you know who do we want back is who's a friend of versus a housewife and then how do you guys scout for additional talent we love bows by the way great excellent fine just really fantastic uh but yeah how do you guys go through that process
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Got to meet Natalie. He met River.
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She said, this is for all those kids you stole that candy from. He's great. You know, Jimmy, I think I've said this before, but like Jimmy Kimmel, when I was a bachelor, you know, you get obviously very cool opportunities. You get to do all these interviews. Ellen, watch what happens live. Jimmy Kimmel, things like that. I got to do some other daytime shows.
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You mentioned Beverly Hills, the cast was wildly single. And... Going into the season, I was really, just as a fan, really was hoping that we could see some of these women date. And that really didn't seem to pan out this season. As a producer, do you have those kind of same wish lists and things like that, but ultimately you can't make these women date if they don't want to date?
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Are those conversations you tried to have with any of these women? And is it still possible? that if most of the cast is this core group of women, like Dorit and Kyle and Sutton, you know, who remain single, like, are we gonna see them get out there and try to live their lives?
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Because, yeah, like, I think sometimes when it's just the group of friends kind of talking and just living their lives without trying to, like, grow their lives, it gets...
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Which was great.
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Is there a Bravo show that you're not a part of that you maybe it's another housewife franchise that you are a fan of or sometimes wish you got some of the energy that some of the other groups have?
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And everyone was very nice, even Ellen, to me. But Jimmy Kimmel, I got to meet a few times. And when I got to meet him, he was the only host that really took the time to try to give me advice. So I had to do these promos. I came in, and me and Jimmy are filming these promos they would do with various bachelors. And when we got done, he's like, all right, Nick, come here. And he took my mic off.
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So it's definitely the case. That's great. And Denise in The Wild Things, fun. Lots of fun. Great comedy. Do you anticipate a season two?
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Oh, I had to explain to Natalie just like, you know.
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Yeah, the lore. Oh, yeah. Just like the winning, you know, the whole thing. Tiger blood? Yeah, no, it's. He's lived many lives.
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It's kind of like a meta question. And as we kind of segue into the Valley and kind of talk, you know, cause like this episode was a little darker, heavy for sure. We recently interviewed Allie Luber to talk about her experience with James. I'd love to know if you just have any general thoughts on that whole situation.
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But separately, it's interesting because we watch these shows, we cover it, break it down, dissect it, talk about these people. with the acknowledgement. A lot of these people we haven't met yet. It is a TV show. There are edits. It's heightened stakes and things like that. But sometimes you are covering very heavy topics. With The Valley, kids are involved and things like that.
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He took his mic off. He brought me into this closet, this little tiny room.
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We were recently talking about The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. And the more we cover it, You know, it's like I have to recognize while we still are critical and critical of these people. But like as fans, it's a bit hypocritical for us to judge all these people while enjoying the very shows that we it's like we want the drama.
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But then we have the nerve almost to like judge people for for really opening up and sharing their lives with us. And I guess my question to you is like, as a producer of these shows, how do you like when you're watching a scene, for example, like Jesse and Michelle, you know, like is do you have like opinions as like a father or a human being?
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And how do you separate that between like, well, hey, it's my job to let these things play out versus like, you know, because a lot of fans will make comments like this seems wrong or how do you let that happen? And we'll blame production for certain things. Does that make sense? Like, how do you kind of work through that as a human being, as your job, as a father?
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And then at the same time, letting this play out and letting these people be who they want to be on camera?
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I am listening. And he looked at me and he was just like, hey, man, I just want to tell you that whatever is going on in your role, and I don't know who's telling you what, but you don't have to get married.
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So it can be tough. It seems obvious that not just Bravo, but I think reality in general has recognized that they might need to be more involved in certain situations and make sure obviously everyone's safe. But to me, it's more like, again, back to like the Jesse and Michelle scene last night. I mean, everyone's safe. It's just two people who seem to hate each other.
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And they're talking about their child in a way that makes you go, you want to judge what they're doing. And it's like, then it's become like, I'm supporting us as a fan because I'm like, oh my God, give me more of this. Like when you guys cut away from Jesse and Michelle, I'm like pissed because I'm like, no, go back. But I'm also just feeling disgusted at the same time in a weird way.
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And it was just coming from a very sincere place of like, hey, I just want to make sure that you're not caught up in this whole Hollywood thing or producers are insisting you need to follow through with this. At that point, I... At that point, I kind of knew where our relationship wasn't going and was going.
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Then it's kind of fascinating.
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Also, I mean, in the case of Brittany, I mean, she's been warned.
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you know like definitely i feel like it just would be hard like being like years in being like still can i help you yeah like be a lifeline or something you know but then it's also you can't really interfere with the story well not only that but again with britney it's like okay i'm gonna be the 15th person who's said are you sure you want to be with jacks where it's just like yeah she's made she's made her decision of where you know her life i kind of feel like
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Back to the James, Ellie Luber. Do you have any just general thoughts on, like, that story came out after you're done with Vanderpump, seemingly done with this cast. You obviously know these people intimately. There are relationships. What was that story like for you? And do you, you know, did you connect with any of them?
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But it just felt like he was giving me real human advice and he cared about me as a person. And like he's the only person who at his level who has ever done that. And I hope I get a chance to have him on the show and tell him that story. I really like him. It meant a lot. He's he gave me his email once when I came on the show.
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You know, obviously Lisa Vanderpump was involved, who you work closely with. Like, what was your take on that situation?
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He always responded.
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Well, let's let's just get into the valley. Obviously, last night's episode was very much heavily centered around Jax and Brittany and him going to get this treatment. My big question, and I've kind of teased in the past with Bravo in general, I call it TV therapy. How does that work? How do you guys balance and make TV around topics like this?
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And you bring in treatment centers and these phone calls and things like that. How are you guys able to do that in an authentic way?
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I've been very critical of Jax over the years of watching the show because it's just like as someone who mostly knows him through TV, he seems like a low character person. I mean, he just does. You know him way more intimately. You know, just the way he's able to talk to Brittany.
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It was always just a very personable human, like on a human level. Um, and just very generous with his time and, and, And I always appreciated that about Jimmy Kimmel.
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It's like, it's just it's yeah, it's there's just like this. I mean, decades of of of content centered around this guy. being terrible to his women partners, gaslighting his friends. Like, again, what is your relationship with him?
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And is it just more like, yeah, I mean, like he is who he is and you try not to have judgment for someone who, whatever I think of him as a person, he's still very much a star of the show. What is that relationship you have with Jack Stahler?
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Outside of Jax and Brittany's storyline, is there a particular storyline that that you are excited for the audience to learn more about as this season kind of unpacks?
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She did. I box dyed it. I walked into the bathroom and Victoria Fuller and Natalie are in there and like dyeing her hair. And I was like, are you? What? And it's not purple. It looks great. I'm jealous.
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Do you ever notice people self-producing in ways that you find irritating? All the time.
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This is bullshit. I am. You know, I'm curious to ask your question as a producer. And you and I have had this conversation long ago offline. Bravo, obviously, Housewives, the franchise, has been around for 15, I don't know, how many, 20 years? 20 years, I feel like, at this point.
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When Bravo really started, the zeitgeist of pop culture, TV is different, how we consume things are different, podcasts didn't even exist when this show started. you know, the way fans cover these shows. 10, 15 years ago, Bravo really was able to kind of, it's like, all right, we're going to film these group of people for a period of time. We'll edit it. We'll put it on ice for a while.
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Then it will, you know, play. Then we'll have a reunion. Then we'll start pick up cameras again. And now very much like part of reality TV, you know, our shows like The Vile Files and other shows that, you know, and bloggers and people online talking about it. You have cast members having their own shows and podcasts and, talking about what's going on, their opinion.
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And, you know, I know like networks, for example, want to like, you know, they want to control it. They want to keep it in house. It's like harder to do. And I'm just more for like, I'm always trying to encourage the networks and production companies to embrace the conversations that are out there and just let this show live outside of itself and
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and just continue to adapt because in my experience, the best producers are the ones who are able to adapt. They really, you know, just let this world play out however it plays out. If it wants to play out online, great. But like, it's just more content rather than trying to pretend like the world outside of filming doesn't exist, which I feel like was easier for you guys to do 10 years ago
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How do you kind of see that as a producer of these shows?
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Sheena made a quick cameo last night via a phone call. I think there's been speculation that Lala and Schwartz might show up. How did those conversations happen? And how do you balance leveraging the celebrity that these characters have built through the years of the success of Vanderpump, but at the same time asking, do we need them? Do they help add to the story?
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Or is it more like Sheena needs a paycheck, so like... We're going to bring her on and things like that.
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No, it's such a turn on.
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Is there a character on the Valley that we might, over the course of this season, form a different opinion of them prior to the one we had of them season one?
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Who are you most fascinated with in this particular cast?
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Like, you turned your hair green for me? Yeah. Literally. It's not green, by the way. It looks fantastic. It does. It looks really, really great. But honestly, I didn't even care. I was like, honestly, however it looks, I love you.
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Yeah, it was like Hulu announcing like the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives trailer just dropped yesterday. Khloe Kardashian has a new show that they are producing.
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Do you ever like... I mean, there's always a lot of fan speculation, blogs, rumors, ideas. Do you guys ever get ideas from fans where they go, oh, actually, should we look into that person or... Or should we bring back Lisa Rinna? You know, stuff like that.
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Do you ever see something online with your cast members outside of filming that where you do wish like you were filming, like, for example, recently, Kyle and Teddy were out walking the streets of Beverly Hills and seemed to get in a a dispute with a dog walking lady without any audio that we all saw. We all saw it. But like, we all want to know what had mics on. What happened? What went down?
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And like, like, are you watching it like this, like like us being like, oh, well, it was so funny.
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Do you guys ever have conversations? For example, Love Island is a show that is essentially almost live. The turnaround is insane. The way technology is going, AI, the world's just more fast-paced. News is old. It's so fast.
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Do you ever see a world where, you know, production companies like yours, Bravo in general, it's more like Truman Show in real time, like docuseries and getting content out there? Is that something like you wish the technology was available to you? Or are you almost like, like, like we're too much is changing too fast?
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It looks way better than George Clooney's.
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Have you guys seen George Clooney's new hair dye? Now, in his defense, he's doing it for a movie.
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Well, Vicki Gundelson is still very upset that she does not have editing rights. And she very much thinks she deserves it and wants to come back. But only if she is a producer on the show because she credits herself for the entire success of it.
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No, it's not George. He could have worn a wig. He really made gray look beautiful.
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And I thought that and I'm curious because she was such a big part of last season and such a big part of the storyline between her and Shannon. And it makes a lot of sense why she's not back given that relationship and the importance of Shannon at least right now to the show. But
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as a producer of a show that relied so heavily on one character and a storyline, yeah, is that something you go into a season a little nervous about? And, yeah, how do you, you know, make those difficult decisions?
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It is for a movie, yeah.
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Okay. Yeah. He's doing this for Broadway?
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He must really love acting.
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Yeah, I guess. Good for him, man.
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No, not at all. Thanks for having me. Yeah, again, thanks again for making such great TV and giving us some insight on the shows that we love watching and excited to see these new projects and excited to see The Valley continue to unfold. Seems like a really good season. I'm very locked in and just great to talk with you. I appreciate it. Thanks, guys. Thank you. Alex Baskin, everybody.
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Always fun to talk to the creators of these shows.
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But also it's just nice to hear from them because I think when it comes to these types of shows, there's always so much interest and speculation. And like I always say, like, you know, specifically like a batch of producers, like people talk about producers as if they're like these kind of mythical like people you never really see, you know, and they act like it's like three wizards in a tower.
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Maybe.
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You know, like puppet masters. And it's like, these are people with jobs. They're got creative jobs. And like, you just kind of hear them talk. It's just like, it's, you know, it's a very unique job. Like, for example, like watching The Valley Back or just watching Mormon Housewives. Like, we do have to recognize as fans that, Like we enjoy the drama, the toxicity.
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Like, you know, it's like, it's how much can you, I mean, we do judge, like, you know what I'm saying? Like when Jesse and Michelle are having this conversation, you know, like it's hard not to judge two people who seem to be like inserting their child into their drama.
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They're clearly lying.
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And why does he talk like he still expects Michelle to, like, care about his, like, loneliness? It's so toxic, though.
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Is it working for anyone? Like Jesse never comes across like a good guy.
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what when he you know the schedule he's like this is the new schedule and this is what you're excuse me like and and he's like and then you're gonna drop her off to the nanny and she's like what nanny and he's like it doesn't matter and it's like my child is gonna be picked up by this person says bad dad like i don't care who takes care of my kid when i'm not as long as she's not with you it's also just giving like a toxic divorce because i will say that's very realistic communication the way that they're doing it on camera
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Your face annoys me today just because you've been here the whole day. You know, like sometimes, Mary, you know, it's like I'm not even married and I've gotten mad for less.
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Oh, yeah. I mean, again, in which, again, you know, it's hard to sit there and say, you know, it's like it's a fascinating thing.
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There are two moments where I empathize with Jax and Jesse.
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And it was centered around the same topic. There was a scene where Michelle was FaceTiming her boyfriend to her daughter and she goes, I love you. Yeah. I don't know how long they've been dating. I understand that when you get a divorce and you date, and certainly you want people to care for your children.
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I never want to think about Natalie and I not working out, but it's not like you want your child to be around someone who hates them. But it sure seemed... it sort of felt a little icky almost to, to like have this strange man who like may or may not be in Michelle's future. Two years from now, they just started dating. Who knows to like be saying, I love you to this.
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If I'm Jesse, I'm like, what are you fucking kidding me? Like that would be so hurtful. And despite like, you know, me having almost no empathy or understanding for Jax Taylor, when he was like, you're sending pictures of my kid to some guy you're dating and, would make me uncomfortable. And maybe that is a territorial thing. I feel incredibly blessed and grateful.
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No, literally. Almost 11 years. What's the dumbest thing? What is the dumbest thing you've gotten mad at me for?
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When I watch these shows, it's just like, I'm so grateful of what we have. And it just makes me be more determined to make sure we protect our relationship. I'm so grateful. to not be going through what they're going through. And I have so much empathy for parents who go through divorce and the children who go through it because like watching the show, it just like, it's such a sad situation.
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I could watch, honestly, the whole episode could have been Jesse and Michelle and I would have watched.
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You know, and Jasmine, my former act, no. Jasmine, who was on my season of The Bachelor, who made an exit by choking me, you really knew in that moment she was more meant for Bravo than for ABC Disney.
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I didn't realize that she was auditioning for the Valley way back when.
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I don't know, but like when I was your age, when you see things like Jesse and Michelle fighting over divorce, you think that will never happen to me. You know, there's so many like adult things that when you're younger, you just assume that shit's not going to happen to me. I'm not going to cheat. I'm not going to get cheated on. Yeah, I would never do that with my partner.
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And if we got divorced and like, yeah, you're and I'm watching it like thinking we're I'm so lucky to not have to be in this position. And thank God, like and then it like warns you of like how delicate these things can be, you know, like no one plans for divorce, you know, like no one's going into a marriage being like, well, this is definitely going to end.
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Okay. No, for sure.
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You know, that made me think about your comment. I was last night and I don't know if this was like a high thought. It probably was.
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Well, let me see. Like you, I definitely feel justified and valid for my frustrations. Okay. Yeah. Natalie thinks cooking is turning everything on high.
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But I was in the line at Chipotle.
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Checks out.
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And it really, I had like a moment. I had like, and maybe, I don't know. But like, Chipotle, it's a, what I love about Chip, the line, not Chipotle, the line of Chipotle. Yeah.
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No, I was grateful. I was grateful for the line at Chipotle. It is incredibly diverse line. And I don't like diverse in so many ways, but age diverse, you know, and I got there and I'm in line and I saw different people at different stages in their life.
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And it reminded me of like when I was in college going to Chipotle, you know, and I saw like two girls who were like, you know, were like in a study group. And then I saw some other, you know, it's like this guy, he's here because this is all he can afford.
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And like this person, you know, and I was like looking at everyone in line trying to figure out the stage of their life of Chipotle because it really is inclusive.
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I was just like, wow. It really just like it made me like reflect on like, I honestly like the various. I mean, I've reinvented myself in so many ways. And just it really reminded me of just the different stages of my life when I was in line at Chipotle.
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And I'm still going in line at Chipotle at a different stage of my life being like, I remember that stage of life and I remember that stage of life. And it was like, thank you Chipotle for this like reflection in my life. That's actually really beautiful. Thank you. Thank you marijuana.
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As she wants.
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We need to ban Photoshop for housewives. It's gotten to the point of ridiculousness.
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oh you know oh so the burnout so you go burner on first and then you're like okay let me gather maybe you're preheating the pan she's just kind of she's very she's very much winging it you know what the secret to cooking is what winging knowing what getting your ingredients out first time temperature and preparation like how much you cooking something for at what temperature does it need to be on and like do you have your ingredients ready before you start cooking this shit
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No, it's when it's an entirely different person. Meredith's Photoshop looks a younger version of her daughter.
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They don't look good. It's not even like, oh, fresh face. It's just like, oh, someone's been moisturizing. No, someone changed their face. It's like, you know what I'm saying? You're not fooling anyone. No.
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It's a callback to the Valley. Zach? He made it seem like dick pics are an early exchange in the dating process in the gay community.
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It's definitely her. But it looks like her, right? I didn't look that deep at it because I just assume it was not.
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Send me that photo.
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Should I just text Whitney and ask her?
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It definitely looks like her, but it definitely could not be her.
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I don't have a number saved. I will. I'll text her later.
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I do.
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It rocks. It's a fun time. All right. Well, that will do it for this week. We'll see you on Monday. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.
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Preparation's true, though. I imagine it is. Gotta brand it.
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The Golden Bachelor. The new Golden Bachelor was announced. He's a newbie. He's a normie.
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I don't think so. I'm pretty sure I haven't. I mean, I don't watch a lot of cooking shows, and I'm not deep into the cooking community, but I imagine... I'm not making this up.
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Try to grill up and throw it on after. I do. I had hibachi last night. No, she loves hibachi. She likes take home. Honestly, that's it. Take home hibachi? It irritates me some of the things that she enjoys in terms of food.
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How many times have you been out to dinner with us?
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What do you mean we went to a French restaurant?
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No, hardly.
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Oh, I'm sorry. I need to get escargot.
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It's a very American style menu.
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They have a chicken sandwich. They have burgers. They have like.
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Yeah, yes. He is a former Los Angeles Rams football player. Oh.
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Yeah, there you go. Steak frites.
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I don't complain.
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Are you OK?
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In fact, I don't think I've ever asked Natalie if she's OK and her go.
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Her immediate response is always, no, I need something.
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Truly. I'd never heard her go, yeah, I'm pretty good right now.
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I know this story's been out for a minute, but Dylan Efron recently saved two women from drowning in Miami, which is so, like, Dylan Efron.
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But what people aren't talking about is he was with his friends, Brennan. Who's Brennan? Just like hometown friend. Just Brennan?
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And Sam Asghari. And I'm just curious as to like, what were they doing?
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Well, the new trailer for season two of The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is out. It looks very juicy. Oh, it is juicy. I can confirm. Yes. It's juicy.
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The inside tea for the Golden Bachelor is like, yeah, there is an extra effort, and I think part of the consideration of picking this new Golden Bachelor, what's his name? Mel. Mel? What's his last name?
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These women give me life.
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I saw Demi. They're looking great. Looking great. Guys, this season... The poster. It's an absolute banger.
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First of all, let's just play the trailer. Can we play the trailer?
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Owens Robbins Mel Owens literally Mel Owens is that him residing in like a major city was a plus for them it's just like they're always hoping that they can introduce someone to someone and love happens and like it's just maybe more likely that someone might relocate to a city like Los Angeles than like the middle of Indiana no offense to Indiana beautiful state beautiful state like I'm from Wisconsin you know like maybe they don't want to move to Fond du Lac for love
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May 15th, everybody. Literally. Wow.
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It's great.
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Will Mom Talk survive is real the question. I know that was like a kind of a running joke last season, but like, I think it's a legitimate question going into this season.
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E922 - The Valley w/ Alex Baskin, Mormon Wives Preview, Golden Bach Reveal, Paradise & Making Reality TV
The ending of season two.
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E922 - The Valley w/ Alex Baskin, Mormon Wives Preview, Golden Bach Reveal, Paradise & Making Reality TV
No words. Literally no words.
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E922 - The Valley w/ Alex Baskin, Mormon Wives Preview, Golden Bach Reveal, Paradise & Making Reality TV
That's what I that's what's make these women so special and great TV. And I said as much as I saw Macy yesterday, we saw most of them. And I was like, your lady's ability to just be completely honest about your feelings and spare, you know, no punches and then like be able to like come back the next day and just be like, hey, do you want to go get a soda? Is amazing.
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E922 - The Valley w/ Alex Baskin, Mormon Wives Preview, Golden Bach Reveal, Paradise & Making Reality TV
But I was talking, I think, to one of one of the producers of the show. But like what they kind of speculated is this like I think it comes from a place of like these women obviously are very. Most of them religious and devout.
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E922 - The Valley w/ Alex Baskin, Mormon Wives Preview, Golden Bach Reveal, Paradise & Making Reality TV
And there's a lot, you know, you got to be honest, you know, and like we are the beneficiaries of their honesty because like, you know, lying is not good, you know, which we all know that. But like, it's so toxic. There's an extra layer of like, you know, pressure from their community just to keep it real, I guess. I don't know. But it's it's it's it's a wild season.
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E922 - The Valley w/ Alex Baskin, Mormon Wives Preview, Golden Bach Reveal, Paradise & Making Reality TV
The women are already seem to be fighting.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
25, 30.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
Oh, brother. Thank you all. We've been fans. After the second season, I watched when you had Tom Sandoval and some of the other cats on. Did you watch the Tom Sandoval interview? I did. That one? Trippy.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
I liked his friend.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
Yeah. Somebody has to. Yeah, no kidding. Someone does. That's what I got Billy for. I know that feeling.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
It's called Yuma.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
It's called British Yuma. It's British Yuma.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
And the weather does not discriminate. The conditions don't discriminate. They all go through the same pain, misery, and suffering. But it's also cool that you all are part of a lineage, just like in our world, our courses and our generations of operators. It's a lineage. We're part of those that went before. And now the younger warfighters have learned from us. So it's the same thing.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
It's very military.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
Go first, brother.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
That hasn't changed. So I kept that going.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
And, you know, listen to Billy. It always helps me reflect, too. And you know what? We're a lot alike in this way for the things that we were missing in our childhood and the things that we desired to get out of our environment. It shaped me. Poor family and a bastard son. So, you know, I never really had a family.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
And I didn't know for my first seven, maybe eight years that I was somebody else's boy. And I come from a Mexican-American family, a Catholic family. And I'm 53. Down in the border, it's almost the culture's 100 years in the past. So I was always beaten up and picked on by my cousins. And my mom was always...
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
humiliated by the family i didn't know i didn't understand the dynamic it's because she had me um and my biological father was a marine and i and i guess a great marine two tours in vietnam he was a horseman he was a boxer um yeah i guess he had an amazing personality i get some of his personality But after a second tour in Vietnam, he was not the same.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
And I believe he got on heroin out there and he was really never heard from again. And he was put away medication and never had a job again. And that family is a Spanish family from Mexico. I found them later when I became successful. I thought, I want to find out where I'm from. And my cousin is the district attorney of Austin. I have a little sister who's a doctor.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
My uncle is a professor at UT of both Latin and uh, and European studies and leads tours in Italy, very high vibration people, but they were not happy to see me. They, they met me once maybe because they see it as a shame or whatever. And also, they hate the Marine Corps and hate the military because they believe it took their son away. Needless to say, my military is my real family.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
Even my other units. I mean, we had to get together yesterday. We had some Marines. We got freaking SAS, the Green Berets, the SEALs, all the brothers get together. It's the same family because it's the same culture. We care about each other. And we have been through a selection that we all know who's who in the zoo.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
You never have to trust that that man to the left, the right can handle their sector. And if you go down, they can take over the mission. It's an incredible sense of security knowing you're with the best guys in the world. My Mexican family was poor, so it was gangs, drugs, prison, domestic abuse. So I rebelled and was a good boy.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
I rebelled and followed the rules, stayed in school, which was very hard because I went to many different schools because I was shuffled around different families, foster care, and then ultimately the Omaha Home for Boys. My brothers and I have two little brothers. We were very sick by then. We had worms. I had ringworm really bad, I guess, because my immune system was so down and hepatitis.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
I had to be hospitalized when all my teeth had rotten so bad that I might have lost an eye because the rod had got back there. However, the fighting spirit of the human being is incredible. I was still working out. It's not like I had coaches or trainers or anything, but I saw whatever freaking John Rambo was doing, whatever Rocky Balboa was doing. I was out at the park doing pushups and pull-ups.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
And I just wanted to be a real man. I excelled in sport. In the boys' home, the dean of boys was also an orphan, grew up there since five. And then he got his education and he's my wrestling coach. He did clown work for the Shriners, and we would go to elderly homes. Man, I got such education there, Billy. We'd go to elderly homes and do clown work and spend time with the elderly.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
I learned by following the rules, training really hard, and exceeding standards, I got more privileges. I graduated high school. I got an art scholarship because I used to paint and draw. But I could not take my little brothers with me. I opted out of school to then adopt my brothers at 18 because they were 16 and 15.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
We went to work in washing dishes and working in restaurants and then construction. And then I started doing martial art. I have always loved to do physical training because it makes me happy. The ethos of that childhood and of martial art is what led me to the military. I never thought about actually pulling triggers and dropping bombs.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
There was a war in Kosovo and there was ethnic cleansing and there was a lot of suffering there and America was going to bring troops. That's why I joined. I didn't know what I was going to do. So I joined the Marine Corps as an infantryman to just do my part. I excelled so fast and did so well. And by the way, it's really hard. You fail at everything. You're always punished.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
None of your time is your own. You don't even look your own. Your hair's got to be a certain way. Your uniform's got to be a certain way. You are a nobody, which actually builds character. I make it through selection. 300,000 Marines, there's only 300 billets. for recon Marines. There was no money in the 90s. We were not a part of SOCOM then.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
So the standards were so high because they only got 300 billets around the world. When I went through my selection, we have captains, infantry commanders. We've got staff sergeants who are already scout snipers and rangers and had trigger time in Somalia, drill instructors, seasoned guys. And I'm just same as you know now, Mr. Smiling, happy to be there. And it was really hard.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
I didn't know proper soldiering yet. I was learning on the job, but I made it. After a year long of selection, and then I started going to schools and started making a reputation in my little team. Nothing's given to you in the military. It's all earned. And I was in the Persian Gulf on a ship as a point man, junior guy on a five-man team. My teammates were already Somalia veterans, Haiti veterans.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
scout snipers rangers and the towers were hit and boom that's when the world changed uh for this global war on terror and the sirens were going off seemed like 20 minutes i was listening to it but it was probably only one second and we're called to our birthing we're getting crypto for our radios we're getting explosives we're getting spins for our arrows because we're about to get in a helicopter getting ourselves together and it was just a uh it was just a roller coaster
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
And I'm doing the job. 70 kilometer movements, Billy. Oh, I'd never driven a Humvee before. You know, we're cool guys. We always freaking jump from the sky or freaking dive. And, you know, no, I've got to drive a Humvee in bad guy country and then dig it in before the sun comes up.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
So then we patrol rucked up with our big rucks and bergens full of communication, equipment, optics, laser designators, and then weapons. And then hide in the mountain. And when the bad guys are coming through, hit them with the lasers, call in the close air support, shoot them with our weapons. I did my duty. It was almost a blur because I was so busy.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
Billy, do you remember in the old days before GPS was everything and when you had to coordinate? Navigate. Yeah, and you had to navigate and coordinate with other units in zone and then with AROs, the air officers. And it was MGRS map with overlays, acetates. Because of my artistry, brother, I was always in charge of doing the overlays because they look so sharp and the marginal information.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
All of our work is attention to detail. It's not genius work. It's attention to detail. Come back from that. Very excited to be alive. In those old days, we never knew when we were coming home because they were expeditionary times. And shortly after being home, long before you civilians knew, we knew we were going to Iraq. So we were already preparing for Iraq. And we went to Iraq.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
We went to Kuwait about three or four months prior, training and then doing probing missions on the berm, you know, where we were going to make the breach. And then it was on. I mean, that Iraq invasion, it was us, it was Brits, it was everybody. And we hit a city in Nazaria. I think my unit had 100 men altogether, and that's to include mechanics, fuel techs, everybody, admin.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
We only had 60 fighters altogether. And when we got to Nazaria, the infantry was being bogged down and getting hit and getting freaking tore up. Do you remember those early days, Billy? Those really early days, there was those beautiful winds and it was kind of cool and it was kind of raining those first few days.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
And it was like Vietnam because we're on the river, the palm trees, and it's kind of raining and the freaking cobras are freaking firing hell fires and it's getting on. We're fighting too. And on the radio, They're going to chop away all the team leaders because they're paramedics. When you become a team leader, we got to go to paramedic school.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
And we've all done combat medic school, but paramedics, the higher level, and then our high end medics go to a battlefield surgery school, which is a one year program that condenses four years of medical school. We're going to split up our teams. We're only five men. We're going to split up teams into two or three to go rescue the guys.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
I am actually really scared because my team leader is my hero. And I feel a little embarrassed because I know they're going to die. So teams of two, oh, no armor. In those days, we were just driving Humvees that looked like Jeeps going out on a holiday to Malibu. Like there's no roots, there's no armor, there's no nothing, just big guns.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
And I was embarrassed that I was scared because he's going to die. And I'm scared. How am I going to handle this team? We've only just begun this invasion. And I'm scared because I'm a little bit, I think maybe I'm a coward. And so I said, Sean, this is fucking bullshit. I'm going with you. And he says to me, and he's contrary as hell, Rudy,
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
We chop our way through. General Mattis says, you know what? Recon, lead the way. And that's what we did. Chopped our way all the way to Baghdad to crit back. And somebody wrote a book. I was still in the Marine Corps. We all came back from that invasion. I'm an instructor now. And now I'm starting to have a little time with my family.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
A little town we'd never heard of called Fallujah is popping off. And Ramadi's popping off. The Sunni triangle. And they called me back. And it was bloody. It was heavy. I mean, one day I'll tell you all about that. But roadside bombs, suicide bombers, suicide truck bombs. And we had to fight. And I really, really got a lot of experience. But it's also, that was by then my second enlistment.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
We were standing up MARSOC. So recon was now turning into Special Operations Command because we were so effective for so little money. Reminds me of early SAS. In World War II, no money, no whatever. They made it happen. I turned them down. I was mentally burned out, I think, from fighting and everything. All of it, all of it was burned out.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
And I got out, became a boxing and kickboxing coach, making a little money, doing seven, eight hours a day, seven days a week, because we used to work it all the time. Didn't talk to my wife anymore. Still couldn't sleep. Started drinking. Never drank in my life. Started drinking at 36. Go to sleep. And then I got saved by entertainment.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
HBO calls and says, we're making a miniseries about your invasion, Generation Kill. We want you to teach and train the actors. Bring production on to Camp Hamilton. Have a dog and pony. Show them what you do. We're doing shoot houses, sniper work. We got freaking jumpers coming in. We're doing water survival. We're doing hand to hand.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
All these freaking producer peoples are like, this is freaking savage, you know? Rudy, we want you to come to Africa to teach and train. I did. They couldn't find anybody to play me because you have to be fabulous. You have to be Latino. This is their words, not mine. Fabulous Latino. Absolutely jacked. Yeah, jacked, flawless skin and hair. That's their words, not mine, right?
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
So some of the cats that were auditioning. A great amount of humility. Yeah, well, I mean, they were their words, right? I didn't even know I was handsome. I mean, I never, I was with the same woman since I was 19 years old. So I saw some of the guys that were auditioning. They weren't quite getting it. The production had me audition for myself, which wasn't easy. You crashed.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
Well, at least I looked like the guy. At least I looked like the guy. I got it. He failed being himself. Oh, bro. I did it, but it was hard. Like any new skill. That's what got me in entertainment and mostly did survival work, did some film and TV. And this has been the best thing to happen to me is SAS and Billy's program that he built.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
They reached out to me to come on the show in the UK and I was received, first of all, by the brothers. The UK was at first not down with me. Now the UK loves me. But now it's also, it's a two-way street. America's falling in love with these guys. We're in America now. And I mean, we're rolling strong, man. It's incredible. So yeah, we both work in the veteran community.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
We both do nonprofits and charity. Mine is Force Blue. I rebuild coral reefs and do ocean conservation and put military men to work with our special combat dive and amphib skills. We've now grown it to a children's program. We train the children of the fallen to ocean conservation, and they work with men that are their fathers, who even knew their fathers, healing families.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
Now we're bringing our own kids out. Because really now as we're older, Billy will tell you, it's our family, our kids, and our loved ones that it's all about. So that's kind of where I'm at.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
It's a good little movie. And Billy is awesome.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
Yeah. You gotta be nice cop with this guy being, remember off jump, it was something like this brother. And I was like, damn, you're boring me to death, mate. There's nothing about you. You're boring me. Shut up. You're boring me. And I'm like, God. So then, of course, I'm like, hey, young man.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
Oh, where are you, bro?
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
And it's so wild, Nick. We always run it down on the first day. We get no dossiers on anybody. We don't know any of the recruits. And that's part of the magic because we don't need to know them. We don't need to know their names. We don't need to know their brand. We don't need to know their work. We don't need to know because we're going to find out the real you.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
And they leave it up to us with our human intelligence background and our experience background. And we sure enough get to the real thing with every single recruit. And it seems to really entertain audiences, but that's not why we do it. It's because they grow. And when these people grow, the audience grows too. This show is really just beginning to bloom, and it's for the people, the recruits.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
The mirror rooms really do it. It's really become a family show.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
Yes, you were.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
You're missing your family. I think you were pregnant at the time. We all have small voices that can turn into an excuse that we can then say it's a reason. It's a method in all our madness. I saw it in everyone.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
You know, it's not a big deal. I don't want to get too hurt because I got to provide. The excuse becomes a reason. And then the reason is your way out. And we can't do that, brother. We got to keep you guys in the fight.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
Thank you.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
Thanks for having us, Nick. It's our pleasure.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
It's almost like two different classes, but they both went through their selection. Yeah, there's already a bond right now. Yeah, for sure.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
Yeah, that's right.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
You're welcome. Likewise, mate.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
Okay, Special Forces World's Toughest Test tonight, Wednesdays on Fox. But all y'all working night jobs, get on Hulu the next day and you can catch it streaming.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
No.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
What happened this episode that made you think that?
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
It does also feel like, and obviously this is just a show, but it feels like Jax treats her this way constantly. I feel like a lot of people in these types of relationships will be like, When it's good, it is damn good. And the 10% that it's bad, it's bad. But like that 90% boy, and it feels like there's not even the 90%, you know, it's just like, it's just always bad.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Jax and her.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
There's no arc. There's yeah, there's no growth. There's no arc. There's no like with Kristen. Yeah. Mm-hmm. It just really shows like the growth that crazy Kristen has had. And like, yeah, Jackson, Brittany don't have that. It's like the still the same games they've been playing for the last 10 years. And like at some point we've got to stop.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
And clearly a divorce like isn't stopping any of it because the fact that he's in this mental institute and like still rage text her, still blows her up, and she has not blocked him is the craziest thing to me. It's like maybe he wants updates on this, like the nanny can give him updates on Cruz and send photos and be like, here's what he's doing today. You don't have to do that, Brittany.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
He does not deserve access to you anymore. But her being like, no, I can't help it. I'm obsessed with responding and reading up. It's like storyline. Yeah, it is. It's her storyline.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
I feel like Kyle Chang was probably like, dude, I don't really have anything 10 grand in here, but I have this $14,000 ring that she would love. Like, I feel like that's how Kyle Chan works.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Fire. God. Scream into this pillow. If my therapist ever asked me to, I'd be like, that's the only solution you have to fix my problems. Give me some. Dumbass metaphor. I'm paying 200 bucks an hour for this. I can do this at home. He said, water your flowers, not your poison ivy.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Honestly. That's where Chris Dodge went. That's where he went. I've been wondering. I've been looking for him. Yeah.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
But the way that Jesse treats her is like as if she has had... Honestly, it's worse than that. Like, I tried to compare it to her having this whole secret family, but he treats her worse than if she had a secret family. Literally. Literally.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
If you don't, like, stand up for yourself and, like, I would want to see that side of my mom. Not just, like, one who's like, I just, I'm not going to say anything to protect my daughter. I'd be like, speak up! You know? Be like, call him a bitch! Literally call out him for having some gay man send him money. Do it. Absolutely.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
He's not going to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I do.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Thank you. OK, I'll just be Nick in the room. Spring is here and summer is around the corner with sweatpants season finally over. Thankfully, it's time to swap those winter sweats for outfits that turn heads. I'm always looking for ways.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
And get, you all know I hate an opinion of an outsider. Well, you don't get that when you're at home trying on clothes besides your husband, of course.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
But I do really want one.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
But now that pretty litter is a thing, honestly.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Anyone who has a cat, pretty litter is for you. I know Nick's reason for us not getting a cat is because he's like, oh, the smell of the litter box. I can't do it. We can't change it. Well, pretty litter makes it so easy because it controls odors and it's low dust, non-toxic, pet safe, and household friendly. Pretty litter always.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
The best part is you won't have to go out in the cold and lug huge tubs from the store to your car and then to your house because it ships right to your door.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Should we get into four, five, and six of Mormon wives?
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Season one, we're talking about Fruity Pebbles. Yeah. And there's just like, and it was like, who's head of mom talk?
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
This is like real sides being chosen and real like friendships being broken and like.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
And then Layla was speechless, just like... I will say, at Macy's, like, book reveal dinner, whatever, Demi's face the whole time. Maybe that's editing, you know?
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
It was, yeah, she was definitely, like, it seemed not happy for Macy at all, which... You know, I guess.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
To defend Demi, I don't think any of the women are aware of what's really going on. Yeah.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
And Whitney doesn't even really tell them in a way that's, like, makes it feel important. Whitney's like, Jen's sick. She's super sick on the bus. She says that to all of them. And then they get to the house and Macy's like, so, question of the weekend. Like, where's Jen? She's like, so, she's pregnant and sick. It's like, well, there's actually a lot more to that if you wanted to share.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Totally. But then she sat there and allowed the women to kind of like come at her as she's pregnant and being like, Oh my God, a bandaid baby, a bandaid baby. And she could have been like, all right guys,
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
I kind of like how Love is Blind does it. It's like three episodes at once or something.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
little too far I don't feel like y'all know enough of the scenario to like talk about Jen this way maybe like have a conversation with her that is a crazy thing to say the band-aid baby about a child first of all someone's existence right immediately saying that they're not even wanting a negative connotation on their birth yeah that's a crazy thing to say I'll be honest that was like maybe it's just in the season of life I'm in but like that Jen finding out she was pregnant and that reaction was definitely a tough watch yeah
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
For me personally, as someone who has been very much vocal about how much I would love to have a baby and maybe it was just the season of life I'm in where it was very emotional for me. And maybe once I'm a little bit further away from this, I would be able to step back and see.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
you know, Jen as obviously her own person who goes through her own things and she's not in a great place in her marriage and she doesn't feel like she's great mentally to be welcoming a baby. And like the pre-partum depression, post-partum depression, like all that's real. Like that's a real conversation, obviously. Jumping to summer house.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Like I understand Amanda being like, I'm like, just got my mental health. Okay. I'm not looking to like, that's a, it's a hormone rollercoaster. So I understand Jen's feelings. It definitely was like a hard watch for me, but just, I just wish like these women were more understanding. Like this is a baby at the end of the day and she's pregnant and they've all had children. Yeah.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
They all know what it's like. And for all of them, including Whitney, because she didn't have Jin's back in that moment, to sit there and kind of, like, not be happy for her in the slightest, but, like, kind of talk shit was yucky to see.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Leave me on the edge of my seat. Make me sweat for the next week. Think about the press.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
I'm afraid of anyone who slaps a table when arguing. You know, like that conversation with Michaela where Michaela was calm as can be. And she's like, listen, you don't hold yourself accountable. And she slaps the table and raises her voice.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Sisterhood. Sisterhood. That was so funny.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
No, no, no, no. It was the twerking competition on the bus where Whitney's like, I'm going to win. And she's like, all right, go. And she starts twerking. And Mikayla goes, it's not doing it for me. She, like, I love a hater. Not them putting Mikayla's twerk in slow-mo.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
And I definitely like if I'm Zach, I also am like not a fan of the Chippendales dance. Like I don't need my like husbands that we're not even that close with like half naked dancing on you in the middle of a party of a bunch of people we don't know. To call it exposure therapy. Yeah, like, I'm good. Just let him in on the joke. Yeah, it doesn't have to be a surprise.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
That's not a surprise at all.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
He might have even given a little pat. I think it was, like, a hip pat. Yeah, like a hip one. That, like, definitely was uncalled for. It was inappropriate. It was a finger poke. Definitely inappropriate. Yeah. It was a ha-ha. Like, ha-ha, go check your man. Yeah.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Like, he was trying to be, like, funny and cute and swaggy, and it wasn't any of the above.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
I think a lot of people probably binge. I feel like like a week, you know, like they dropped it Thursday.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
And honestly, if I am Demi, I am also being like, let me get my fucking husband on your ass, bitch. So I see where she's coming from in that aspect because if it was like one of the other husbands, I'd be like, okay, chill. But it's like an ex-husband causing drama, fighting with, like yelling at Taylor in the middle of this party. Like this man's gross.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
So the fact that she called her husband to like... come get them I wasn't too mad about but I do like yeah Zach has a great point of being like how dare you like how is that different you didn't have my consent for that shit you didn't have Jen's consent for that shit like the only difference is that you made me watch Yeah. Yeah.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
And also I will say if I were Jen, would I have come home from that hair appointment being like, Zach, the girls told me they have some idea at Halloween for some Chippendales thing. I don't know what it is. I don't know the extent. They mentioned some sort of Chippendales dancer and Brett and Jordan and Jordan like dancing or something. I don't know.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
And this is just some sort of rumor that came out of nowhere. This is her Macy's Confessions box. Sinner's anonymous tip box.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
I'll also say I didn't love the lunch with the three of them with Taylor, Macy, and Mikayla. Where Macy's like, oh, I got this confession on my sinner Sundays. And Taylor goes, oh, is it about me? And she goes, well, there's a lot that are always about you. Like. That was unnecessary. But these guys are flying, like strays are flying on a regular. I don't know if I'd say that to my friend.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Like, sure, let me give you some anxiety. Yeah, I get a shit ton of like confessions about your life in My Sinner's Sunday. Do you remember how we ended last season?
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Oh, my God.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
That's true. Honestly, and like the conversation with Demi and Brett where she's like, oh, yeah, we're all about to go skinny dipping. He's like, are they still filming? She's like, yeah, we're still filming. He's like, then no, you don't. She was like, all right, well, I'm going to finish washing my face. Love you. Good night. She's like, I'm not going skinny.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Right, right. It's like maybe he just made Demi realize that there will be like people, his children. Maybe men.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
No, no. Maybe like men behind the cameras holding the boom boom speakers that may be like, we don't need them to see your boobs. I don't know.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
And the editors when they're putting a blur over your boobs. Maybe they don't need to see them either. Like, valid.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Honestly, Brett seems like a big protector. I mean, that's honestly what every time they got naked in Vanderpump, I was like, oh my, these editors, the cameramen, they're just coochies right there.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
How often do you look at your own ass?
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Honestly, it's so girl coded. You know what I'm saying? Like you don't have like and honestly, they kind of like level themselves out. You don't even need a leveler. You know, like it's just so easy to put them on your wall and create magic in your own home.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
There are so many pictures of River that I've had printed out that I was like, oh, God, now I got to go and get the frames and the hooks and the nails. Nope, not with mixed tiles. It's so incredibly easy. And it really turns your house just overnight into a
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Yeah, she scares me a little bit. Did you do IVF for all of your babies?
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Layla, are those things that Cameron didn't ever do?
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
I know. Truly. Well, you were, I mean, you and Jesse were like closest to Demi, I feel like, first season. Obviously, there's been a huge rift. We see that Demi is very much on like the outskirts. What happened to your friendship with Demi?
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
I don't know. A spring season, a fall season. That is feeling on trend. It feels Mormon. But it feels very Mormon.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Do you feel like he like performs for the cameras?
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Well, we touched on it a little bit in the beginning, but Layla, you had a boyfriend. He did. All of season two.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
I was like, he is?
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
What happened in that relationship?
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
What about Jesse and Jordan? Jesse and Jordan? Do you think she's, like, way out of his league? Oh, absolutely.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
I honestly don't even think that they could stop if they were forced to stop. If production was like, ladies, stop.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
So please. Stay home. Stop fighting. Turn off your phones and stay home.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
We do have a jam-packed episode. We've got Macy and Layla.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Is there any ounce of you that has sympathy for Demi?
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Public, but if she were to reach out to you while the show is airing, while she's getting opinions, would you be there for her or do you need that that space?
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Who do y'all think is the most delusional? Whitney. Okay.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
I saw that they maybe are getting the C word.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
So I guess Whitney. Who is most likely to use a beauty filter on their photos? To me. Yeah? Yeah.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Okay, the P word.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
It's two. Taylor or Whitney. Okay. Who's most likely to have lied this season? Probably Demi. Demi.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Most likely to get canceled.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Maybe next season.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Well, what did Mr. Baskin say?
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Listen, I can understand people not wanting to support Jax and Jesse's behavior. Yeah.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
I mean, she agreed with you. So I don't think you're being, if you were being hyperbolic, she would have been like, well, I don't know if I'd go that far. But she was like, yeah, no.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
I think we learned with that interview with Michelle, we learned a lot about what Michelle was going through in her day to day life that Jesse knew about was going on. And he it like didn't stop him from treating her the way he was treating her on national television.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
which says a lot for me that she had to take the things that Jesse was saying to her back to her family and be like, this is what I'm dealing with right now. And like, it's, there's, it's brutal.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Okay, I love where this is going. I feel like it's going to go up. You think? I think so.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
I've got faith.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
I will also say, I love you, Helix, but also it's so annoying that they're so comfortable in such a great mattress because I do want to get in bed and chit-chat with Nick, but he's immediately asleep. As soon as you get in the bed, he's immediately rocked out.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
I feel like I watched enough of the Karen retrial to be able to give you sound advice. I object.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
I have a good head on my shoulders. I know a thing or two.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Just get in.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Should we get?
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
That comment at the table with Nia and the rest of them when they're trying to be like, we're so sorry for the way we handled this. And Janet being like, and he's kind of similar to a guy I was married to who drugs and alcohol. It's kind of the same thing.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Right. Also, like, and the way Danny explained it on Watch What Happens Live, he was like, I went into there to grab a White Claw. I see the handle of tequila right there. I'm like, man, sure, I'll do a shot. Still aggressive. But Janet made it so, like, dark and sneaky and shady and like, oh my God, he was like hiding from Nia and didn't want anyone to see him.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
And he was chugging and chugging and chugging and drank the whole handle.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
It is recommended by multiple leading chiropractors and doctors of sleep medicine as a go-to solution for improving your sleep. It's also recommended by Nick and Adelie.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
Also, she's crying, like reliving some trauma from her childhood. She's not crying because like, She wants you to feel sorry for her. It's like, guys, I was homeless with my mom, and this crazy shit happened, and that crazy shit happened, and Jasmine being like, you can't do the tears, honestly. It's just really big.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
I got cotton mouth.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Oh, my God. I'm a great guy. We're all great guys. We're all great gals. That's pretty good. That's pretty good.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
We're going to go up there. We got upstairs. Justin's over here talking. He's talking. Look who's talking. It's Kirstie Alley. John Travolta. Upstairs, downstairs. Remember you go to the store and get milk? Come on.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
I go, shut the fuck up. Cut the crap. Cut the crap. Hey, come on.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
And then Joe was just, I was just an Amazon Rainforest. I went to the Amazon Rainforest. I bought myself a Roomba. Bought a Roomba at the Amazon Rainforest. I went to Rainforest Cafe. Got a guy dressed up like a parrot. Come on.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
See, that's what I'm saying. We needed a side hustling celebrity to save America's favorite brand.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
That was a hellscape to walk into one of those stores.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Is anyone watching the Baldwin's show? It's been out. Have people talked about it? Does anyone give a shit? I haven't heard anybody.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Do you think they're still promoting the show? Because they are an example of everything I don't want us to be.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Even if it was kind of directed to her.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
When I talk, you- On his face. And he looked like he- He was like, I'm sorry.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
And he looked dead inside. He looked like a broken man.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
In front of people?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Are you my mother?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
It's like get a podcast and talk some shit to each other for fun like we do. Like, oh my God, don't bring it to the red carpet and like yell at your spouse for the point where they just like die inside.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
What do we think is appropriate? You know what? Let's ask our guests, because I think they just got done from dropping off their child at school. And we can find out what they think is appropriate to pick your kids up at school. Because there was a Kylie Jenner video that has since been taken down.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I went to find it, and as of now, it's not up. It's a collab with a brand that she's dropping a latex dress. Her bitties are out, and like...
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
What was the first one?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I almost said it is gay. He doesn't know. I was trying to blend over it in like a PC way, but her titties were out. Okay. And like, basically, I mean, I took it as she was joking, like in the heart of like promoting the dress, but she was like, yeah, like I would pick up my kid in this dress.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I took it as like being funny. Maybe not sarcastic, but it's like... Maybe not that serious. It's not serious. Like Tina Fey. Oh, well, there you go. Anyways, the internet is outraged. Well, you know, as they should be.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Not that they should be, but that's just what they do.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Do you think like with like, are there schools that are just riddled with celebrity kids?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
There's a ton of schools that I could name of like celebrities and normal people going to.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Do you think it's like a red carpet every day?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Maybe our guests will have some thoughts on what they wear when they pick up their kids because they're up next.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
So good to have you both. We've texted a few times about coming on. Obviously, you guys are busy with life and being parents, but it's great to have you back and have you on for the first time. Yeah, it all worked out.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Just leave. New Zealand. I'm from New Zealand, yes. I went there once.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I loved it, yeah. Well, I was there filming a show called Special Forces. Oh, right. I was quite tortured. The experience itself was great. Beautiful country. I mean, food, amazing.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Where were you?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
What part? Queenstown. Oh, so beautiful. It was like July, June, July, but it was winter there. Yeah. So beautiful. Yeah. Wonderful food.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I know. Yeah.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I've never watched Special Forces no it's a good mix of like it's a good family show yeah it is a good family show yeah I didn't realize like who watched it but then after I was on it like young families with their kids would approach me oh that's so cool and it kind of made sense because when you watch it back it's you know it's Good, clean fun.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
It's all about resiliency and fighting through adversity. It's on Fox, which is network, and it's pretty clean. So families can watch it together.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
It's first time having Melanie on. They are a very adorable couple. And they're also just big reality TV fans. And so we are excited to have them on as well. And later, Ari Shaffir, a very hilarious comedian who has a new Netflix special out, will join us as well.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
She's walking the dog.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Oh my gosh. She's like right on the verge. She's like says mama and dada and like she's saying words and like recognizing pictures and things like that. But like you it feel like she's at the age where she's she doesn't know how to say things but like she you can tell she's processing.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
It's a very fun age.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Yeah. It kind of makes sense because you almost have to like, as you're there every day, you get to know your kid. And yeah, when you're talking about that, like the way River smiled, you know, it's just like, yeah, I guess she always kind of smiled this way.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
But you don't really appreciate it when it first happened. You don't know if it's her thing or just... something babies do yeah exactly is it a universal thing or like is she a genius or is she just like kind of normal developing skills you know because like you know it's like every day there's this like she seems to be learning something new and i'm like wow yeah yeah she's probably a genius yeah
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
But yeah, it was over Thanksgiving. We're at her sister's house and they have lots of dogs. And she just like pointed and said dog.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I've developed a new habit? Uh-oh.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Because before that it was like mama and dada were just like things she learned.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
She kind of says mama and dada for a lot of things right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was a really... Doc, doc, doc, doc.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Probably not great.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Uh-huh.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
The internet, obviously.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Did their thing.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
And what are the non-industry great parents wearing?
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Jason, you obviously came on a while back to talk about some Bachelor back in the day. Is that something you guys are still watching? A lot of people have fallen off here or there.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
What was it for you guys that kind of just didn't do it for you?
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
We've had a chance to interview him a couple of times. Lovely man. Yeah, he seems like a really lovely guy. Also, he did a really good job this season of not saying thanks for sharing. Every time someone said something emotional or like a lot of the bastards before him were like, I don't know what to do in this moment of you actually sharing. So they kind of awkwardly just go, thanks.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I've left.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I think it was Lazy Producing.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I think so. I mean, they've always done that. But it feels like the past few seasons, it's almost become like a trope. Definitely. Yeah, they really lean. Yeah. do you think part of it has to do with like the show has been around so long and that like, it's hard for them to cast anyone who hasn't grown up with it or seen it so many times and think that's what they're supposed to say.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
But like, so there's a part of that they come in with. And I think at least, I don't know, maybe some of the producers just that's their stick, you know? And so they just think, Oh, I guess we're supposed to do that, but it's always just weird, you know? And then it becomes like a competition of stories. And the next thing you know, you have someone being like, you know, I've,
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
you know, ADD and like, not that that's not, but like, I mean, I, you know, I guess, but like, you know, it becomes like this thing where everyone's just kind of watering down these various things where it was like, it's almost like a competition, you know, in a way where it just feels like disingenuous. You know, are you saying this because you really want to open up?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Are you saying this because that's this?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Thank you.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I don't know why.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Bad dad here.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Thank you. Thank you.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Thank you.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Well, you know, you're putting your daughter to bed and you're... Oh.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
He smacks. He's like waking up her eye like, shut up now.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
So I'm like, oh, sorry, sweet, pretty little baby. And then I took the gum out and put it on this little nightstand.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I was on Dancing with the Stars with her way back when.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
And I'm a bit introverted outside of talking for a living. And so is Erica. Really? Yeah. But she's tall. She's beautiful. Sometimes I'll get criticism for being unapproachable or aloof or looking like my face looks like a dick. I've been told. And Erica can be very intimidating. But when you go up to her and talk to her, she's so nice and chill and cool. But she is intimidating.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
And a lot of it is just kind of quietness and she's comfortable just kind of sitting in the background. And that's very nerve-wracking for people sometimes.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I'll try.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
She's a slime girlie. Like three weeks before that, I caught her. I want to say it was Natalie's gum, but who knows? Who knows?
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
But I kind of get Garcelle's point of view. She calls out Sutton for basically being in Kyle's back pocket. It's like you're this with all the other ladies, but when it comes to Kyle, you always give her a pass. And then there's a moment in the episode where there's an example of it where Kyle doesn't have Sutton's back, but Sutton doesn't call her out, but she'll call up the other women.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I guess I get where Griselle's coming from because I could never do what these ladies do. The housewives, what they give to the audience. It's true. It's unbelievable.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Well, talking to a lot of housewives, there's real feelings that go outside of doing these episodes and these scenes. I think it's a mix of both. I think some of them, you know, it's a job.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
But they are human beings. And when someone's just screaming at your face and calling you out, it's...
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
It's intense. And usually I don't think, you know, it's reality TV. So the, you know, the, the, the idea is no one's an actor or they're not, it's supposed to be authentic. So you're not like, Hey, I'm going to yell at you in 10 minutes.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
You're right.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
You just come in with, and you make a decision. You caught that person off guard. But I guess back to the Garcello, I get it where it's just like, We've been asked to do certain things and it's just like, no. We have the show. We like to share some things about our relationship and our family. We pick and choose, but we get to decide what we're comfortable with.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Just in case the parent shamers pop out. I just want to make sure we both go down in flames. For sure.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
And we very much want to protect our relationship. That matters above all things. And you give up so much control of your life and you are expected to. to talk about these things. And I think with some of these ladies, they're just like, yeah, Kyle, she's been there the whole time. She's the OG. She is Beverly Hills housewives.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
When some of them else are kind of forced to talk about things they don't want to, it would be frustrating to be like, well, come on, Kyle. Can we just get to the bottom of this thing that's not
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
even that deep and you're kind of putting it in our faces but we're not allowed to talk about it but i gotta talk about like why my son or kid or my husband or partner or what rumors or you know it's just like they always have to address these rumors but to erica's point she was like garcelle keeps coming at kyle for this morgan wade of it all and it's like we know nothing about who garcelle's fucking it's like
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
But our daughter is so smart because I caught her chewing gum. She was just...
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
So I was asking before we started recording, you guys have not jumped into Temptation Island yet? No, not yet.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
No.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Is that something we could interest you in? Or is that too kind of smutty? No, we've gone pretty low.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Totally. I was a little freaked out. Like, oh, my God. And she was just chomping away like good old dad.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Well, then you need to watch Temptation Island. Because this is like that on... Steroids. Steroids.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
It's like 20s, early 30s. Okay.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
So it's more of a younger cast. Right. Not like my four children and I. Yeah, no, no, no.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Or girlfriend. But usually, as you might suspect, the two different islands have two very different vibes.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Yeah.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Like on the man's island with the women temperatures, it's party island.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Yeah.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
And then on the women's side, it's like a therapy session of all the girls just kind of talking to all these guys about their boyfriends and kind of like, you know, he just doesn't listen, you know, like the way I want him to.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
And then like people like Taylor, you know, when the temptresses were giving, you know, coming out, what did he say? Like in front of his girlfriend.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
And then there's others who are like... I just want to mess stuff up. Yeah. I just want to see the world burn. No one really says that, but they're... Breon, his kind of story, his partner, Shantae, she's lovely, calm, seems so down to earth, and just, I guess, right reasons not to steal anything from The Bachelor. And he is just like... I'm paraphrasing, but he's like...
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
my dick needs to have sex.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I'm on your side. The way God made me, I need to take care of my guy. That's kind of how he talks. Shortly in, he has a threesome in a shower. Oh. Right after, he's like, yeah, didn't regret that. Basically, as if he went to check off a box.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
And this Breon guy, and then there's this Grant guy. They clearly have never had good role models, I don't think. And they seem to be very emotionally stunted and immature. Where Grant also had sex with someone. And then his confessional decided to forgive Grant. his girlfriend for, I'm not sure what he's like, I forgive you, you know? And he's talking, he's like, I'm not a bad guy.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I just like, as if like the sex they're having on temptation Island is like something they owe to themselves.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
And they don't regret it. And it's just the way these guys talk through their bullshit.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Yeah. This is,
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
it's wow. I mean, man who just simply loves sex and like, that's all I just, what's so bad about that?
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
So, like, after, like, a few days, I'm not sure what the timeline is, the host, Mark Wahlberg, he's great. named also Mark Wahlberg. Oh, not Mark Wahlberg. So Temptation Island actually has been... Season one, I watched when I was a sophomore in college in 2001.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I think it was on USA. It was on Peacock for a minute. Now Netflix has it, which is, I think, a really good thing. But he's the same host from years ago. But he, unlike, say, a Chris Harrison or a Jesse Palmer, no disrespect to them, and maybe the show doesn't ask him to do that.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
And what may or may not be related news is. Natalie told me 17 times yesterday about this new article.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Love Jesse Palmer. But every once in a while, Jesse comes out and... you know, I don't know if you guys remember, did you watch Clayton season when he was like, I love you all. And Jesse comes out, he's like, well, good luck. You know, he's just like, like the bachelor will come out and just be like, I don't, I don't, I'm really in a lot of trouble here.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
And Jesse's like, yeah, I'm excited to see how you, what you do. And Mark is very much like giving like real genuine advice.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
And it's just weird because it's this kind of smutty show where there's doing threesomes and then in these fireside chats, Mark's like, so wow, like that's like some real deep childhood stuff going on here.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Let me ask you guys a question. If someone said to someone, well, maybe you said to your wife, you're just like, there's only one Jason and there's only one Melanie. Would you find, what would that mean to you?
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Oh, okay. Oh, I think I know what you're talking about.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
You sent a video.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
And he goes, I just want you to know there's only one Jason and there's only one Melanie.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Because they were like, wow, that's really romantic on that show. And I'm like, I don't even know what that means.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
So yeah, I was like, oh, maybe there's only one Lino.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I guess. He said it like it was so profound. And I'm like, well, first, I don't know. I mean, I guess, but huh? But if so, did you have sex with someone else or not? My point is there's only one.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I know you guys have a lot of TV to catch up on.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Some of these shows... If you liked Ultimatum...
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I'll be honest, I have no recollection.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Thanks for really listening to me and paying attention to what I said.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
And then you feel bad because, again, what's her name? Brionne's lady.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Chante.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
What do they say when you're on the stand? I do not recall. I do not recall.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
If you watch it, because she just seems like such a good person.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
And he seems like the exact opposite. I mean, it's edited, so you don't know. But what we're seeing of Breon is not great. And he lacks kind of any empathy whatsoever. for her and any kind of thought that his decisions will impact her whatsoever. And it's just so hard to see her.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
But I am, you know, because I see this a lot in real life in dating culture where it's like you see this person and you're like, they seem smart and put together and self-aware and have everything else going in their life. And then you meet who they're dating. And they're just like, and they treat them terribly. And then she'll say things like, but I just love them so much.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
And I'm like, what exactly about them People are so mysterious. Do you love? I always love to ask people, what do you love about how they make you feel? When you ask people that question, their eyes go, it's like their brain breaks because they never thought of it in those contexts about how I feel.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Because it's like, well, it sounds like you've been miserable for, I don't know, a period of time, maybe a year. And I'm like, well, what do you mean you love? Because it sounds like you're confused and upset and hurt constantly. But you see that people struggle with that. They decide they love someone. probably maybe early in the relationship or whatever.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
And then they just kind of, the love that they have seems more based off of just like time invested.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I do have a confession, though. When I'm done with my gum and I don't know where to put it, I'll give it to Danny to swallow for me.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Well, you guys are also in some really cool and exciting shows. You obviously are in Yellow Mirror.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
She's crazy.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Matlock's a lot of fun.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Oh, thanks.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
It's just fun to see you out there and blowing up. It's been great to see. And then obviously Yellow Jackets is a huge hit.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
How do you guys manage, you know, your busy lives, your love for watching TV together, working, you know, being two working parents, but also very, very, very family oriented. How do you guys all make that work?
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
To swallow?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Yeah.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Yeah. We've never been.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
yeah four yeah oh yeah it's like i remember when my niece was i don't know three maybe four and she was peppa pig was everywhere and she had a british accent for a while like peppa pig so getting to know you jason it feels like uh you are a very involved father like you guys seem like very much like a team and now and i very much try to emulate that and do that because what i've learned
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
being a dad early on is that especially for dads and maybe even some parents but like i think there's a lot of people who want to have kids yeah you know and it's like i want to be a dad someday but then i think there are people who like love being parents yeah you know um and i feel very lucky now i talk to us about this a lot that i feel very lucky that i'm we're with each
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Two people who like we we love being parents. Yeah, and we love like, you know, sharing the responsibilities of raising her because like we we like it, you know, and I feel very fortunate. I think we both feel very fortunate. And I, you know, just from a very far because I don't know you guys that well and I see interviews and
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
your social medias, but you guys seem like you both together as a team really enjoy being a family, being a team, being parents. It's just really fun and inspiring to see because you don't see that all the time. And as a couple that very much tries to emulate that, it's really nice and fun to see.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
oh wow you're here like uh yeah i uh sometimes i just take my daughter to the park and then you see a mom like nursing a baby pushing one in a stroller with like four dogs someone has to point out what she's doing wrong yeah a celebrity friend uh who was talking about you know they're also active parents and when he takes their kids to school he's treated like people are just like oh my god
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
you're here to drop off but when she brings this cool and they're a celebrity couple like you guys and it's just like oh yeah sure mom brought the kids it's like the red bull standard it's always kind of like this weird thing you need more people like us Jason I know somebody said to me when someone was like Jason does drop off a lot and I was like yeah
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Yeah. He does. He does his part.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Yeah. It's, it's, you know, anyways. Yeah. It's fun to, it's fun to have a. Sorry we're healthy. Not happy for you guys.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
On purpose?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Your teeth are important, whether it's for dates or just your general health. Keep your mouth clean and do it with Quip. I've been using the Quip 360 toothbrush for some time now, and I love it. It's great, convenient. It's great to travel with.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
After, after River was born, her mom was very graciously there to help. And like the first couple of days she was looking, I just, I kept noticing her being like, because I was just like involved.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
It's a tradition in the family, apparently. I was like, that was the way he was connected to you.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
yeah i mean yeah and like another generation it's the worst job parts yeah i got real good at it i was also a very good swaddler oh yeah i was a good swaddler too i think some of the stuff that i like i know maybe it's just like there's certain things where we can't do the way mom can right of course and i feel like all the things that i could do that like you know whether it's cleaning pumps or swaddling it's like i'm gonna dominate this task
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
And by tradition, you mean like a Jewish tradition? No, no, no.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
How do you guys manage screen stuff? Because that is something that makes us... You know, we don't have to worry about it now. She's so young.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
His family, every time they had an umbilical cord fall off, they would feed it to their dogs. You guys, this is making me nauseous.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Natalie taught how to be excited about everything. Now, anything new we present, she goes, ooh!
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
oh yeah it's so cute because we just started doing that to anything new we're like wow and now she just mimics anything new yeah there's a lot of she goes it's literally the best oh sweet uh oh my gosh well we know you guys have to get going and we thank you for your time it was just fun to catch up with you yeah yeah it's so fun hear about you what's up with you guys and all your fun projects anything you guys want to plug before we let you go
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Anytime I was homesick growing up, I was like hoping a Matlock episode was on back in the day. It's so nostalgic to see it back on.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
What other traditions do they have? Is there a science or what?
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
It's great, man. Well, congratulations to all your guys' success and it's great to catch up with you guys. Thanks for coming on. Thanks for having us. Thanks for having us. So nice.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Well, guys, you know I've been on a bit of a wellness kick in 2025, and it's been helping because Symbiotica has been by my side throughout the whole experience.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
And part of my whole journey has been making sure I get the right nutrients in my body, and Symbiotica helps me do that because they have vitamins and supplements that are clean and not filled with some of the harmful additives that you find in so many of the alternatives. One of my personal favorites is the Magnesium L3 and 8.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Not only is the vanilla cream flavor delicious, but the travel size packet is helping boost brain power, balance mood, and calm the central nervous system while also improving memory. It's definitely one of my daily go-to supplements.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Also, people, listen, we know when you get any type of kind of vitamin routine, especially if you travel, if you're on the go, it's very easy to like just kind of get off that routine because of, you know, maybe there's multiple bottles and things like that. Well, Simbiaco makes these wonderful little travel packs.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Symbiotica is as clean as it gets. No CDLs, preservatives, or artificial junk. Just high quality, real ingredients that actually do something for you.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I had an existential crisis right there on your outdoor couch. I was like, fuck, why didn't I save that?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
a powerful combination of plant, tree, resin, and enzymes made by bees. Propolis defends your immune system, supports full body health, and fights oxidative stress with antioxidants.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
And we hate it when we have a cold and we're coughing, congestion. And like, honestly, like it's just kind of some of the alternatives that are a little scary out there. But it really sucks when you have a cold and you need to kind of suppress that cold. Well, their day and night cough syrups work and the stuff in there is clean and non-toxic.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I just love Jason and Melanie. I've always been a big fan of Jason's. I mean, for those of you guys don't know, Jason's dad, like a legend.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Yeah. Which I actually saw John Ritter, for those of you guys who don't know, sadly passed away many years ago. And yeah. So and then Jason, you know, has been in the biz for a while and it's been fun to see him become more and more successful. Obviously, we know Melanie has been in so many things.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Yeah, like, why don't you just feed, you know, all your first photos of all these moments to your dog, too? Like maybe a whole photo album. Any other special moments with your child? Do you want to feed your dog?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Oh, she's a great character. Yeah.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
No, it's wild. I hope they do watch Temptation Island.
The Viall Files
E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
How would you feel? I know you've been in love for a while and you know, but let's say you had some random hookup sex and then he called you cute afterwards.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Adorable.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Who said this?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Because Tyler also said dear. And I think about that pretty often. I'm like, what is the language we're using here?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
he well times have changed no well he also in his letter to natalie said i yearn for you and so yeah grant wrote that i guarantee you he wrote that and go this is good this is real good oh i cringed a little nice yearn he's like what's a big word i could use they like pride and prejudice he's like i am jane austen i am mr dossie yeah dear like grant is a perfect example of of tall privilege
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Because the confidence that man has.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
And I'm just not sure where else he's getting that confidence other than the fact that he seems to be like 6'3", 6'4", you know?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
He's attractive, too. You think? I don't... They're all attractive, this cast. You think Grant is, like... I think he's conventionally attractive, yeah.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Yeah, exactly. He acts as if he's never been told no. He lacks... I don't think him and... They look like they haven't had no role models. Who? Him and who? Most of the guys. Okay.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Well, here's the thing. Six times higher than what? Than before. Well, maybe it was zero before. And six times zero is still zero.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Has Natalie told you the facts of this? No, I'm just saying, like, a percentage is irrelevant.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Well, so basically, a new study of 4.6 million people found that cannabis users were more likely to experience heart failure, strokes, and cardiac arrest.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Is it smoking weed or gummies, or do we know?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Well, so young marijuana users are six times more likely to have a heart attack than those who abstain from the drug, according to a new study that analyzed data from 4.6 million people. The study followed adults younger than 50 who didn't have any comorbidities from two...
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
2010 to 2018, according to research, specifically cannabis users were six times more likely to have a heart attack, four times more likely to have an in seismic stroke. I might be wrong with the pronunciation.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Thank you.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Another marijuana user over here across the room.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I'm just saying six times zero is still zero.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Because I don't know six times more than what.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Yeah. It's really, I quite enjoy it. Um, but like, listen, you know, comedy, it's an art form, you know?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Literally like six times.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
And as I've been told by comics, but every once in a while, such a lead up. Every once in a while. There might be people online or people in podcasts, like maybe critiquing a comment or just being like, I didn't find that funny. And then some comics will be like, you know, I'm a comic, right?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
If there's a 1% chance that I have a heart attack because of, you know, and then if it's six times more likely, that's still, you know.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I don't give a, yeah, I know your comic. And I guess I didn't, I didn't know that was a joke. Sorry. And I guess I didn't know everything you say falls under the category of I'm fucking joking. Yeah. And they take themselves real too seriously.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Also, as someone who's not typically like a big flosser, their water flosser feels like you're at the dentist, and it's kind of fun, actually, and a lot easier than just that thing that makes your gums bleed all the time. Not with Quip.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I'll tell you who I'm talking about after we get done recording.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
And then it's always like, if they ever get it like criticism, it's, but I'm a comic.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
It's like, okay.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
And the way that some celebrities hold on to their humanity. Yeah. And how most lose it. Yeah. Like, and give an example, Chapel Roan telling fans that they need to leave her alone at the supermarket versus Taylor Swift breaking up with her boyfriend because dumb fans got worked up over a joke about someone else's fake stage name.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
It does specify. It says cannabis use appears to pose a substantial and independent risk for those outcomes, even in a population without traditional cardiovascular risk factors. So that's what it is for people that aren't already like at risk of like a heart attack.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
She went to zero to a million. She got so famous.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
How did you come up with that title for your special?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Do you think everyone hates you?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Did you get much heat for that COVID joke? Which COVID one?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Which one? You talked about everything has a silver lining.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Yeah. Like COVID. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
So it makes you at risk.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I'm short of breath.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Right.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Oh, my God.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Do you smell burnt toast?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I think that's brain cancer. That's a heart attack?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
That's your arm hurting. I think left arm is your heart attack.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
No, she's the only one who makes any fucking sense.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Because she's not a fucking hypocrite. She's not like, she's not like Carrie. Yeah. The worst friend. Worst friend.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
And she will bulldoze through anyone in the name of getting her way with big. Oh my God.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Okay. I think I'm okay.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
The first time she broke up with him, they were going on vacation, and they're on the sidewalk, and she wants, I think, she wanted a commitment or something, and two weeks of dating.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Smelling burnt toast is a stroke.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
He's taking her on a trip, and then she's like, well, no, then I'm just not going.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Okay. I think I'm good. In other news, Ryan Reynolds requests that he be dropped from Justin Baldoni's lawsuit. Ryan Reynolds is asking a judge to drop him as a defendant from Justin Baldoni's $400 million lawsuit claiming Justin Baldoni's argument against him has no legal bounds and amounts to hurt feelings. Which all the Justin Baldoni stans are up in arms. But... Makes sense to me.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Once Big died, I was... Big died right away.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
The first episode is the Peloton death scene that's like... No, we're... I mean, they really completed her being terrible in general because she just watched him die. And didn't even... She's like, oh...
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
But I said, more than what? That's hard to believe. More than what?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
What is the average? Because I said zero times six is still zero.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Six times more likely than someone who isn't already predisposed to cardiovascular events. Still don't know what that means?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
My grandfather and dad have had heart attacks. So, yeah. So technically it's double.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
When is the few times that you do?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Do you want me to go down on your vagina? Vagina, yeah.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Yeah, once you say vagina, they're like, grow up.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I don't know why. Is he just being sued because he's married to Blake? There's all this speculation about the Deadpool or Night's Pool or whatever in his movie. I don't think that's illegal.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
You're like deliberately trying to give them the ick so you don't have to?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Really? Sorry.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I got a matching one too. Really?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
You want to unpack or? Nope. Sorry. No, please.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Anyway.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
That made everything else feel like a little less violating.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Yeah. It was fun to see you get a little awkward there.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
But he's just not, he's not, yeah. To Ari's point, it's like a bit now. It's like a thing that they're, it's part of their act to do some crowd work.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I think anyone can sue anyone for anything, but when it goes to the court and things like that, I think there are certain legal... Because I'm coming for you, trolls. I think there's certain legal things that hold water or not.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Let us all enjoy. I appreciate it. I love how you didn't feel the need to remind her that it's an art and you're a comedian.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
It's okay to not like.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I got extra time for sure.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
It's called Shalhavet.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Very Jewish.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Oh, USC.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Yeah.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Well, that's because it says here that you do drugs while you hike. I do do drugs. So maybe. That's accurate.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Well, if you're going to call weed a drug, I have no problem with that, but let's fucking call alcohol a drug. You have to call alcohol a drug then.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Wow.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I'm like, Dad, I never knew how much you were preparing me for life. Do you ever know any mushroom parenters?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Parenters. Like they're microdosing? Yeah.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
You do?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
We'll see what happens with that case. We should probably bring back Emily Baker sooner than later to have her break down any updates in this case. But we will follow along. I'm not sure if this will be granted or not, but we shall see. It makes sense to me because I just don't know.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Thoughts, feelings, concerns?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Why? Why?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
One time now and I partook, uh, watched like 11 hours of Peaky blinders while in our hot tub. And then now he was doing somersaults in the pool. Yeah. And then passed out naked on our floor while our dog ate the steak that we left on the table that we didn't eat.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Before kids.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Yeah.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I know I went off about golf to know that's not good.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
And you just kept, but you played through.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I don't have the patience for golf. It's after, like, nine holes. I'm like, fuck this shit. I'm also a little too competitive because I'm not, like, I'm good enough to have never been taught golf that I can, like, hit it at seven iron straight. Great, yeah, fun. So I can keep up with, like, the average golfer, but, like, when my golfing buddies... Get cereal.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Yeah, and I'm just like, I don't know, guys, I don't give a fuck.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Where's that car? Yeah.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
It seemed almost when he was brought into that lawsuit, it just seemed almost, well, retaliatory and kind of almost like, oh, well, I'm going to go after you. It's like he didn't work on the set. I mean, obviously, there's all these theories and stuff like that, but we'll see. We'll see what happens with that case. Tina Fey, this is interesting, admits that she judges rich people. Isn't she rich?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
You're going to lose.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Yeah. How did you end up getting a job at the Arlington Cemetery?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Yeah, I used to.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
It went out.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Would you feed it to your dog? I had never thought of it before. Neither have I until the beginning of this episode when I found out Leia, who just had a child. Well, no.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
No, did not feed ashes to my daughter.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
but apparently it's a family tradition in her husband's family that when their child's umbilical cord falls off I don't know if you know this as a parent you know you have a baby and he ties it up and then like a week later it dries up like a raisin and pops off and like a lot of parents later normal like just keep it or do something with it and Leia feeds it to her dog really
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Did your dog go for it?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I've only had one kid.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
A little bit. Yeah. I should have kept it. That was a keepsake for sure.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Who have side hustles.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I was offered it. You were? Yeah. Immediately turned it down. I'm definitely not one of those dads who's like trying to enjoy the whole experience. Just let me know when my kid's here. It's really good for you. Oh, right. You don't want to say that. I'm front and center. I'm holding her hand.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
The doctor was like, hey, do you want to help deliver the baby? I was like, you got this shit. You went to school. I'm good. Yeah. Yeah. Why look at it?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Carrie would absolutely make big, try all the shit he didn't need to try.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I was like, I'll get you back later. And I have. In what way?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
How have you gotten her back?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I've done things for you and our child.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Oh, for me. I thought you were talking about for our doctor.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Oh, yeah. Oh, our doctor? No. I paid her.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Yeah, she asked me if I wanted to help. I was like, do I get a discount for that? You know? Yeah.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I mean, I don't know.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
As soon as she says it, the nurse makes that face and it's on film. That's her first day.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Who cares?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Have you walked into Narawan? Every brand is a celebrity brand, if you think about it.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Well, celebrity brands are the... Some of them are very successful. Some of them are less than successful. But, like, I don't know. Listen, my big thing is, like, I don't know what Tina Fey's wealth is, but it sounds like she's up there. She's very successful, had a lot of successful projects.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
It's like the same logic as before you have anal.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Where is HR? I'm going to be rocking in a shower later.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
You know, friends said we could talk about this stuff while we're podcasting.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Oh,
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Wow.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
They basically give you this thing, right? It's like a large needle in your back. And then going forward, they give you a remote control. It's like imagine having a remote control for your drugs, whatever your drugs are. And it's like you can push this button as much as you want. You can't OD because you're good. Just more or less. You just hit. There's just a more button.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
It won't let you OD. It won't let you OD.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Yeah. So at any point, you can just make sure you're at maximum high.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Like, it happened real fast, that part. The whole, like, push, push, push. And then out.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I know, when super rich people have opinions about how other rich people, like, make and spend their money, I'm just, like, I'm uninterested in that opinion. That's just my opinion.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I've seen the sex ed videos back in the day, and I imagine something like that. Do you just have to shave before?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I'll meet you there. I'll meet you there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Every once in a while, I'm like, this is getting crazy. Same. I'll do it once every couple years. Same. This is getting crazy.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Thank you.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Thank you.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I don't know. I don't know. I'll see you next time. I'm sorry.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
How much of that money she hates has she given away?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I don't know. Like I say, if an actor makes $8 million on a movie, about 25% of that is just taken away off the top to their agents and managers and lawyers. So bam, 25% gone. Then half of that the government takes. So you got, let's say, $8 million. What's 25% of $8 million? Take $2 million off. You got $6 million left. Now, all of a sudden, $8 million becomes $3 million. And Nick loves math.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I cannot fact check a single thing you just said.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I don't know. And maybe they got a couple of family members they're taking care of and things like that. Maybe someone came into them and said, hey, you want to start a t-shirt line or something? They're like, great. And then maybe that blew up.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Has Tina Fey ever done a commercial? Yes. And like, couldn't that be? She's still acting. Couldn't that be thought of as like a side hustle?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Oh, she's still acting. It's an acting job. You know, she's like holding a shoe.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Yeah. I'm acting at the table. I mean, like, yeah, she's entitled to her opinion. I don't know. It's just more like it's just like when she's I'm guessing doesn't have to worry or worry about money point like period. I don't think Kylie Jenner has to worry about money. She's incredibly successful being a producer herself.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Cringy? Sure.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I mean, I don't know when he started or what he was worth, but, like, he made a ton of money from it.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
But also, like, Tina Fey, like, she's an actor, she's a producer, she's a writer. Aren't those kind of side hustles? She doesn't just do one job.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
And what is that umbrella? Creators.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
Okay, and so let's say George Clooney, like, I'm sure he used his celebrity and his marketing ability or, like, just his good face. Like, his celebrity, how is that really different than what Tina Fey is doing?
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I don't know, maybe he is. Yeah.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
then that's fogged up he's also not sending out emails being like who wants to collaborate there's a lot of actors out there who get like maybe one job every five years but by all means and that's what i'm saying where maybe that's not your side hustle that's your main hustle but as soon as they make money they're like no i'm just i don't know i think it's a very she's in a very convenient position to have an opinion like this and it's like okay
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
I'm just going to chew my gum and smoke my weed.
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E904 - Melanie Lynskey & Jason Ritter, Ari Shaffir, RHOBH, Temptation Island, Parenting & Side Hustles
You know what? If a celebrity endorsed or invested in Forever 21, it may still be here.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I told you when we talked, I'm going to go, you can finish if you, as long as you don't quit, unless you get hurt.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
So I would have opted out for that. You're punching. You're just straight up fighting.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
So how do and how are we feeling about Denise and the Wild Things?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Is Charlie making any type of appearances? He is. He is. Yeah.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Did you approach him and ask, hey, we're doing this, what do you think?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
What have you been doing kind of just to unwind and kind of take care of yourself and relax? What have you been doing for fun?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
We went to New York for an interview, which happened to be Valentine's Day. Oh. And so we went alone.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vow Files Reality Recap Edition. And boy, do we have a jam-packed episode for you. Momentarily, the icon herself, Denise Richards, will be joining us to just, you know, gab a little bit, talk about her new Bravo show. What's it?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I feel like it's a good balance. I'm always saying to Natalie, this is good for her. I think this is good for us. It is. Because we're not going for any extended period of time. We're very lucky to feel very safe and confident with the childcare that we do have, which is often her mom. Which is nice.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And like, you know, I think I read somewhere you learn, but like, you know, you're at some point your child needs to learn that you can leave and come back. Right. And so even if it's for a short period of time. And so, yeah, you know, testing the water, nothing, nothing extended. It's a little nerve wracking for sure. There's always a little bit of guilt. You know, just to be away.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Yeah.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Do you keep up with Kyle or Dorit at all? Dorit, I don't.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
So you don't know anything about what's going on with Dorit's marriage? I don't. I mean, I've heard.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I mean, if I were in your position, I would definitely not. Like, I don't watch often shows I'm on. I did watch Special Forces, though.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I think it's a little imposter syndrome, for sure. I don't really need to critique my performances. I was just happy to be there.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I do like it. You know, I was doing more a few years back with the show taking off and us being so busy. I've had less opportunities and certainly have had less opportunities to study and practice because I'm not a natural. That's for sure. I do like I really enjoyed studying it and taking the classes and getting better and like understanding what it took to be a good actor.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
and just like the prep that goes into it and more than anything, just kind of having respect for acting. And before I even took any acting classes, I would just watch movies, I'd watch TV and I would just be watching a show. I wouldn't really even think about the performances. You know what I'm saying? Right, right. And then once you, you know, are able to go on set or you,
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
study acting a little bit you do acting classes you watch in a different way and and i've always i've enjoyed that process of like being aware of like that's a you know watching a performance and being and realizing what that is and you know understanding how tv is made or how movies are made i have a much different appreciation for it so if i get the opportunity to do it i would love to do it but you know it's it's not something that i'm like i'm not studying it as much as i used to just okay like you know the show father
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And how did we find or discover the fish?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Some of them are bigger.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
How were you affected, if at all, with the fires? I know, like, you're in Malibu?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
But you guys were safe.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Yes, she.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Wow.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Where'd you go?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Curious, in housewife world, there's a lot of close friendships, as you know. But it's also a lot of, you're in the limelight. Housewives sometimes is predicated off of jealousy and things like that.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I'm curious, getting your own show, while nerve-wracking and obviously the pressure, I feel like there's a lot of housewives out there that would prefer their own show rather than being part of an ensemble cast. And have you felt any...
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Was there any particular thing that you had to go through that you really... My divorce.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
There's a whole camp. Yeah, there's a whole camp. There's like civilization. You're like, what the fuck?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Yeah. No. Yeah. Real food. Yeah. You know, soda, you know, whatever.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
There was a changing room next door with heaters.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
So we had to dry our clothes.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Well, the first time there was a tent and then like there was always a tent for safety, but then they wouldn't let us use the tent. So unless you were dying, you had to change outside.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
You just have to trust that someone's going to see it, but hopefully not America.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Especially for us guys, you know.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Is this a story?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
That was at Denise Richards' request?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I mean, you know, shit happens.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I bet they would give you whatever toilet you want.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
The outfits.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I would. I hope we get a chance. It's tough with this show. You're kind of busy with this show. Yeah.
The Viall Files
E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Usually it's not the trash. It's like, did you smoke weed? Yes.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Now he's turned into a little barista and she has a little cappuccino machine. I offered to make her coffee and then she's like, no, I got it.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
No, I... What happened?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Why did she have to make her own coffee today? Because I was also making our daughter breakfast.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
It's harder to get her back down.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
It's great. I walk in, I put on one of his robes, real cool.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
That's so cute. The river is like this. And then we cuddle. And then I put her back to sleep. So she doesn't sleep in your room at all?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
We got real lucky. And now sometimes we try to bring her into our room, but like now it's too much of a distraction. Right.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
But most nights I have Jeff. So Steve's in the kennel. Steve.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Jeff is in the bed.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
They're little doodles. Labradoodles. But Jeff is just like up next to me. And there are some nights where I'm just sandwiched between Natalie's body heat and Jeff's body heat. And I'm in pants. And she's in pants.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
In fairness to Steve, there's been a bit of a transmissional period. Jeff was our first. So Jeff kind of got dibs. And we kettle trained Jeff. Right away.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Every time, as soon as we got Jeff, everyone's like kettle train, kettle train. So we did, we kettle trained Jeff.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
What did I say?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Kettle chips, you know, whatever. Valentine's, Valentine's, it doesn't matter. You all know what I'm saying. Anyways, we we trained him and eventually Jeff started sleeping with us. We loved it. It was great. So nice. Yeah, it was it was wonderful. And then we had a child. Well, nobody got Steve. It was like, you know, we had a good first baby like Jeff.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Jeff was a very good like dog, like just really well behaved. Kettle trained. Well, we just kind of like didn't kennel kennel train Steve. And so Steve started getting in bed with us. We're having two dogs. It was just it got a lot. Yeah. I get it. We had to go back. And then Steve was kind of misbehaving. So we had to go back, kennel train him. Now he likes the kennel.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And honestly, it's just too many fucking dogs in bed. And Steve, when we go to bed, he just goes right into his kennel. That's like his bedroom.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
He's good. Every once in a while, we'll forget to lock the kennel because usually he'll just stay in there. And sometimes he creeps up on the bed.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Yeah. Oh, that's sweet. But Steve is much better with River. Like they're friends. Oh, that's good. Jeff wants nothing to do with River.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
That's so sweet. Steve and River are going to be very close friends.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Yeah, we don't.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
When you guys are filming season two.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Can we double date?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
So we'll double date. We'll do a little. We'll for sure do that. That would be fun.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
We'll just be your friends. Thank you. Well, we are friends. I know, but I want the world to see us. You're just like, we're just having dinner with our friends, Nick and Natalie.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
So does your mom... If we have a house in Tennessee or anywhere in the South at some point, maybe you guys can... you and Aaron come and visit. We would love that. And we'll do a whole episode of Denise goes to the South. To Alabama.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Or Georgia or Texas, wherever. I don't think I'll move to Alabama.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
At least mine lives in Alabama.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Listen, it's lovely. I've been there. It's great. I understand.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Yeah. She's been very helpful when it comes to helping us have an adventurous life.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Yeah, for sure. Really?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I don't think our children will be going to school in the Los Angeles school system. I think that might be good.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
It's changed a little bit over the years here. Yeah.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
What should we talk about before we let you go?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
We're on season two.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And when you say producer, are you allowed to have creative input in post-production?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Will it be dramatic?
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Yeah.
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Yes, yes, yes. Yes, of course. Blake Lively has amended her complaint that came out yesterday with updates alleging that there are additional women coming forward or that additional women came forward and complained about Justin's onset behavior. And those people are prepared to testify at whatever trial may or may not come forward. Yeah. There is that. So, I don't know.
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that kind of relatable stuff yeah yeah i think that some people might be able to relate to it a little bit i think i can't wait to watch it thank you um it's so great to have you on well thank you for having me you're the best come back can we when you can you come back when your season's airing sure talk about it yeah i would love to yeah i don't want to bother you denise because you know i just don't want to overstep my welcome
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okay i'll bother you and say can i come on okay great thank you does that work please someday can you come on and just talk like house like beverly hills hot like kind of you want you to come talk shit oh you mean about the show let me catch up watching the season i would definitely just love your input because like you you know these i don't i've never really i've never i've met i met kyle for like i introduced myself to kyle for 20 seconds i've never met sutton uh i've never met to read i've never met
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I don't really know. Sometimes I like that because when we talk about them, it's like, I don't know. But the more we talk about them, I'd love to get an accurate understanding of who they are.
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I didn't have you on to talk. I was curious if you were.
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But someday I would love that.
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Well, Denise, so good to see you. So good to see you too. Congratulations on your new show. Thank you so much. March 4th. It's out. March 4th on Bravo.
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They must feel very good about this. I hope so.
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It could be following Roni. That wouldn't be good. That's true.
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I don't mean this with any disrespect, but do you think Dorit or any of the current cast would jump out of a boat onto a helicopter? I don't.
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Always great to see you. You too.
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I imagine the Justin Baldoni people will pick it apart and all the online trolls. I'm just really, really looking forward to the day this finally goes to court. I'm just looking forward to that day where I can tell all of you, I told you so, there's going to be a lot of people who really embarrass themselves when it comes to mine, most importantly. But, you know...
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Oh, well, we love Denise. Always great to catch up with our queen. Very excited about her show. I think it's going to be a lot of fun. We're going to have to bring her back with her daughters. I think that'll be a fun dynamic to see them all interact. Up next, we're talking a little Love is Blind episodes four through six, and we have Alex coming up.
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This relationship between him and Madison was wild.
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I'm curious how he came to that decision. She seems like a bad breaker-upper.
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Well, when she broke up with Mason, and then, yeah, I don't know, Mason did the whole thing of kind of acting like...
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maybe he didn't mean what he said or whatever i don't know but like you could her body language changed so quickly and she got really upset because she she wanted him to be upset yeah she wanted him to be hurt and mad it was definitely not like i'm glad you have another person and like you should be like she wasn't happy for you and i'm always cheering you on she wanted him crushed yeah you take it back so you'd
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you're not you don't you weren't ever committed to me it was like an ego shot and then when she's talking to Alex and you know he's friends with Mason and just saying well I just see both sides she says Mason really hurt me you know she didn't accuse him of I assume she means emotionally, but that's like such a what do you mean you broke up with him?
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And all he did was this kind of like, you know, as people do when they're getting broken up with or maybe feel a certain way, kind of maybe just try to take back, you know, feeling kind of embarrassed, opening up. And like that turned into her telling someone, some random person that this guy hurt her.
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Well, there's a lot of people, but I'm just like most of the people who are like coming forward, just like people you've never heard of. They're like online.
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No, vindictive, scary.
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The only thing I'm mad about Alex, and we will obviously ask him how he came to this decision, is this like, I would have liked to see this relationship explode permanently.
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Not for his mental health or his overall well-being.
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But like Alex's emotional maturity really fucked us. Let's bring him up. Hello.
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How's it going? What a beautiful face. How you doing? I'm good. How are you? I'm good. Good. Okay. I'm feeling really good. Well, we have a lot of questions for you. So we're excited to ask you those. We were just talking about your relationship with Madison. Very proud of you because, you know, I watching this back. I don't know if you know this. I'm from Wisconsin. So also a Midwest guy.
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Watching you, in a lot of ways, reminded me of younger me. And that relationship reminded me of the type of people I pursued early in life. And so really proud that you seemed to pick up on some red flags that were demonstrated. So for your mental health, you seem to make a really sound decision. For TV purposes, we were sad to see this relationship end so quickly. I kind of wanted to see it.
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But she was one of the more mainstream public figures to like seem to start writing for Justin, which I found a bit shocking. But whatever I do, I feel very confident that people are going to find out.
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So, yeah, I feel like there could have been more to unpack there, but totally get it. What were some of the things that you started noticing, you know, that maybe stopped you from thinking this was a relationship you could pursue? Because it really seemed like she had landed on you. She was going back and forth between you and Mason.
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What were some of the things that stopped you from pursuing that relationship?
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Yeah. Was there anything specific that you can share with us that maybe we didn't get to see that, you know, kind of raised some concerns on your end?
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Well, it's interesting, you know, when I was watching it there, you know, Madison was doing a lot of things that I, for me, demonstrated a lot of red flags, you know, it just seemed like she kind of seemed like a bad breaker upper. She seemed to really want Mason to like, I felt like she wanted him to be crushed and
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you know, when she decided to end it with him, and she didn't like his response, and it seemed almost kind of vengeful. She did say something that maybe kind of empathized with her, or at least understand her, where she said something to you, like, it doesn't matter, like, how much you fight or whatever, it just matters kind of like...
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how you were you know it's always like if you guys don't give up and how like you fight through it yeah and it was just like well that makes a lot of sense coming from her because it felt like this person all she knows is just conflict and fighting and it's all about the making up and getting back together which
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When I was 21 was kind of fun, I guess, but kind of to your point, I imagine that's kind of when you said you had issues with that in the past, if you've ever been in a relationship like that and you've really tried to reflect and try to have a healthier relationship going forward... You know, you realize that like, yeah, fighting isn't a good thing.
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And yeah, all couples fight and conflicts do happen. But like it's I think there are couples that look to fight. And I think there are people who look to instigate drama only to like have the resolution because the resolution makes you feel like you're coming together. Then it really kind of felt like that's the type of relationship that Madison was used to.
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Is that is that some of the stuff that you were picking up on?
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I just think people really are missing the whole point. I think people should be really kind of scared about how effective this online smear campaign of Justin Bononi's has been. As soon as like the witnesses start testifying, like the, you know, the accusation about like Justin, like claiming he didn't stop when he didn't consent and then her driver kicked him out.
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Totally. And we totally get that. Like, you know, I'm familiar with how reality TV is made and how you never really get to see a lot of things. But I am curious, you mentioned the last day. What specifically do you remember versus what was aired that made you kind of cringe a little bit?
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Yeah, it was tough after her and Mason broke up. Hearing her kind of talk shit. I think she called him a clown or something like that. It felt a little icky given that she was the one who ultimately decided she didn't want to be in that relationship. Given that she kind of came into that breakup with all the power. And I think she left with all the power.
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And for her to talk shit about Mason just felt so unnecessary.
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Yeah.
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Like if he testifies, it's over. It's pretty, it's pretty easy to prove like the kind of online activity of Justin's smear campaign, you know? They're only just debating about who threw what punch first. Anyways. More to come. We'll see what happens, but we'll see what happens when they go to a trial.
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Oh, that's crazy. Have you ever thought about growing a beard? You know, You're a very handsome guy, but you kind of... You would crush a beard.
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My wife hates my face. And I always thought I was a good looking guy before I met my wife. But a beard really... You have a sweet face, Alex. It'll roughen you up.
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This was filmed last year. And honestly, I don't know if I was fully out of my skinny jean phase last year. So where are you in that skinny jean journey?
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Do we know if there's going to be a reunion? I don't know. You're probably not even allowed to say or even if you'll be there. But if there is one and you do get invited, loose fitted suit, beard, maybe a neck tattoo. I'm kidding. Oh my God. What do you do for work, Alex?
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Oh, nice.
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Are you still friends with anyone from the cast?
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Yeah, A$AP Rocky is proven to be found not guilty. A little different than innocent, but not guilty.
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How's Mason feeling after watching him and Madison's breakup?
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And I'm pissed you broke up with her too soon, but that selfishly as a fan of the show, I am, that was triggering, but other than that, but you know, friend to Fred, you did a great job.
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All right, Alex. Well, thank you for your time. Best of luck, whatever it is you do. And maybe we'll see you on a future Netflix show some other time. There's the beach.
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Take care, buddy.
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He seems sweet.
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He's very handsome. You definitely see like this kind of like that nerdy kid inside him when he was younger that he described, you know, but he's...
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So he's like an adult.
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Any other... I thought... What was it? Devin and... Virginia? Virginia.
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But I thought that I appreciated Devin's willingness to open up about his ignorance when him and Brittany were having that conversation about her being bisexual.
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I appreciate his vulnerability just because I think, you know, he he has a viewpoint that I think a lot of people have where they have this idea that if someone's bisexual, that somehow like means that they can like switch hit, so to speak, because he kept asking Britney. It's just like, well, I just want someone to be with me. And I'm like, well, if she picks you, she will be.
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But I think there's a lot of confusion. Especially in today's climate, I don't think it's very easy for someone like Devin to acknowledge ignorance. I mean, that's what it was. It wasn't coming from a place of malice or anything like that. But I'm sure his point of view was probably triggering for some people who maybe feel judged.
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Or, you know, for for opening up about their sexuality, only to have someone like change their, you know, because it did feel like Devin, his energy, his energy changed a little bit.
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Do we have it? I love a good bet on yourself story, and this is one of the more ultimate bet on yourself stories. A man who was offered six months in prison, turned that down, was facing up to 25 years in prison, and won. That's a big bet. That's a big bet. Let me see this video. Yeah, no, he dove. He absolutely dove. That's sexy. He actually pushed someone out of the way to get to her.
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It kind of it showed that they were just kind of on two different.
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Two different pages, two different kind of stages.
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That's the problem though. It's just like the most compelling storylines. I've been into these first six episodes, but then all of a sudden we got done and I realized all the...
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We're talking about Minneapolis, St. Paul. When I was in my 20s, I lived in Milwaukee. Milwaukee is smaller than Minneapolis, St. Paul. Don't get me wrong. But they're still relatively smaller cities, right? And when you are in your 20s, early 30s, single... You're a working professional. You got a little money. There's like a socialite scene.
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When I was in my 20s going out, you're going out most Fridays and Saturday nights to the bars. There's not that many bars in these cities to go out to. And if you're frequently going out, there's a group of young professionals and you all kind of know each other. And if you don't know everyone...
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But it's not uncommon for guys and girls in a respective city to like follow people they find attractive, you know, just to like, oh, someone shows up on your Explorer page, algorithms feeding you people you, you know.
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A lot of people say they are. Cashel thought she had great vibes and was wrong about that. Like sometimes we're wrong about how confident we are about things.
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membering should be a new word yeah i mean like it go both ways i'm just saying i think some people are like watch that scene and be like oh guilty you know it's like he's he's projecting or kind of telling on himself and maybe it's a wild accusation that's for sure to be like i remembered you we have mutuals and like you followed me and unfollowed me which we don't know exactly what they find out because we haven't seen that yet but
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I think it's her get out of jail free card. I think if she decides she doesn't like him, or he's too short. Or she finds out he actually did it.
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Correct.
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Also, for a season that is lacking.
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Sure, but again, it's Minneapolis. So the show deciding to do Love is Blind Minneapolis is risking people being familiar with each other. Again, it's a relatively small city. Yeah, there might be a couple million people there, but again, when they're casting... People in their late 20s, early 30s, you're immediately narrowing it down.
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They're not going to know everyone, but they're definitely running the risk. It's a smaller community. And while they're not going to know people, but I would not be shocked to find that a lot of people got casted. They all have a lot of mutuals.
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you know like the degrees of separation there's probably not seven you know there's probably like one or two you know and there was a lot of after they got out of the pods i i it wouldn't be shocking to me so yeah i do want to see what happens with that storyline come next episode i also think sarah and ben could have an interesting i don't know i'm not completely sold on right because he has religious parents aren't accepting of like what sarah's sister like her sexuality so that's where i'm kind of like hmm hmm
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I really like the storyline. I'll see where it goes. To me, I get it. We live in polarizing times. I think Sarah needs to be reminded that she talks a lot about, I just hope he's willing to learn. I just hope he's willing to learn. It's just like, I hope she's also willing to learn. She's talking about like, oh, I'll get together with him as long as he's willing to learn what I believe in.
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For sure. And listen, I'm just saying, but if you go in just deciding like I need this person to be completely aligned with me or else, and if they're willing to learn and like subscribe to everything I believe, then we can work out. And if not, we won't. That's pretty extreme. You know, like now and I, we don't agree with everything.
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We're not checking boxes and making sure that like you believe this, you believe that. And if we don't believe that, we need to make sure we get on the same page. We just like sometimes we have differences and we just choose to like not get into it.
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wasn't immediately like hell yeah we're on the same wavelength he was just like oh i don't really i'm not there quite yet i haven't that's a pretty extreme point of view like and then my question to her is this like well what if he is willing to learn but you get to a point where he's just like not where you're at i think that like non-negotiables no matter what they sound like to anybody else if that's something that you stick to or that's something that's important to you you shouldn't have to sacrifice that either just because of an opportunity
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Listen, we now live in a time where more and more people are having a harder time connecting and getting together. Like we as human beings desire connection. We desire companionship, whether it's your family, a group of friends, whatever. We need connection. We desire romance. And I think we should embrace people like prioritizing family and like prioritizing relationships.
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connections in front of you. If her and Ben were compatible on a lot of things that when it comes down to two people spending a lot of quality time together and getting along and communicating effectively about day-to-day decisions and what they want for themselves, that's a shame that some people would say no to an otherwise great potential relationship with a lot of points of compatibility.
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Like there are people who otherwise would leave a relationship that would really work out. And there's a lot of love and connection there. But like convince themselves that this is a non-negotiable and they leave something that could otherwise be have a lot of potential.
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Should we talk a little Beverly Hills housewives before we get to Chrishell? I don't know why we opened up in Georgia again.
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How have you been? I've been great, thank you. It's nice to know. I hope you agree. But first time you came on here, it was like, oh my God, we're having Denise Richards on.
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I get that technically it's Sutton's house, but it sure seemed like an invasion of Beverly Hills housewives into Reba's house. Kind of like gossiping and talking about Reba while Reba was there. I said it from the start.
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We know we were talking last week about when Bose confronted DeReed or whatever and was talking about all that PK was allegedly scooping up lawyers. Well, I received a DM from a listener.
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Just a listener. And this listener informed me. I don't know if they have a legal background, but it made sense. That apparently, and I don't know if this is like a nationwide thing or an LA thing or a state to state thing, but a common like move divorcees will make is that apparently that if you like when you are needing a lawyer, right, you might shop around for lawyers.
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So you would do like a little meeting, like five minute meeting, 30 minute meeting and kind of like talk about your case, you know, and if you do that, like you've got dibs, so to speak.
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So if you go around town and book a bunch of like meetings with all the top lawyers and you get there quickly, that means they can't represent your your spouse because they've had a meeting, even if you don't hire them.
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So you basically like, you know, like, hey, I'm getting divorced. My wife and I are separated. I'm not sure like I might need a lawyer. So you book a bunch of meetings with all like the the top 10 law firms in Beverly Hills.
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And even if PK hires none of them or one of them, then like, you know, that's apparently, apparently this is what, this is what the, I don't know. That's accurate, but it makes sense based on what Bose was saying.
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Now we're family.
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Yeah, but would you just sit there and wait? Would you reach out to your friend? Hey, I'm down here, or you want me to come up? Clearly, they're not the best of friends or even that close, but there are cameras there. There's people in the house. I'd go upstairs and knock on that door. It felt a little performative of Sutton to do what she did, but maybe...
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And I didn't even really agree with Dorit about the whole bitch comment. It really felt like Dorit was instigating this whole thing. The whole bag thing was her instigating Sutton. I did think Sutton was a bit performative with sitting there alone. But clearly that is rude for Dorit to do.
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Well, then fine. Dorit was off her rocker there.
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But I think Sutton was wrong for that. And then it's just like sounds like I'm going to leave. It's like, OK, leave. Don't sit at her front door and have your posse come to console you and take up half the party so that when Bose comes and be like, y'all being rude. And they were being rude. If you son, if you want to go, go.
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But like, you don't need to have Garcelle and Kyle and this whole little posse talk, you know, talking about whether you should stay or should go. Then then it becomes rude.
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I think Garcelle hates bows. I think Garcelle was used to kind of getting away with whatever she wanted to say and calling out Dorit for some of the stupid things she said. And Dorit was always on an island. And even if some of the things Dorit said were a little ignorant, I don't think it ever came from a place of malice. But I think Garcelle was in a position to really like
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Give her the business anytime like Dorit stepped in it. And now she has Bose to defend Dorit and have her back. And no, you know, Bose is more than capable of like, doesn't matter that she's new. Doesn't matter that she can stand. Bose can have everyone disagree with her and she'll be calm, cool and collected. And it's driving Garcelle fucking insane.
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I imagine they're being reminded by producers of some of the hypocrisy their castmates have said. Oh, yeah, you're right. She does do that shit. And then Kyle, like when she was going at it with Bose and like painting herself as some victim of like is Bose. First of all, Kyle, it's your show, basically. Right. You are the you're the queen bee. You're the OG.
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I made Natalie cry last night though. Why? We were just talking about being parents and we're talking about our parents. And I just, I, I was empathizing with our parents. Cause you know, sometimes as we get older and like, I don't know, sometimes we just get annoyed with our parents or we have expectations of our parents or whatever, or we don't need our parents. We want things from our parents.
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Like you are the bright light of this ensemble cast. Bose is new.
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doesn't you know doesn't not friends with anyone and you're accusing her of not welcoming you Kyle that's seems a bit out of touch and then to bring up PK while sitting next to Dorit yeah as evidence is to like Bose's mistake while like so you should have blocked him like that was she was on Mars and then to look at Dorit and be like oh I'm talking to Bose I'm not she's like you said my husband's name like what fuck
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That was wild behavior.
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Boze just calls it like she sees it. And I love it. But what did Boze say? She doesn't need to be led? Basically, she's not a follower. And that's so true. She's not. And it drives...
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kyle and garcelle and and sutton crazy because like you know they don't want to think they want to accuse bows of like you know riding you know to read you know because like you know picking a different size when the truth is and we all see it is like bows truly just calls it like she sees it she's no bullshit she's got a great sense of like character she's i mean it's
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What a couple. Anyways, we'll be talking with him and get into the rest of episode three through six. I love his wine. I think that's what we were talking about.
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And yet she doesn't hold grudges.
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I just like to see Garcelle Kyle and Sutton just kind of like glitch because like they just don't know what to do with someone who's so calm and capable of standing up to them and they're kind of their bullshit and they're kind of manipulation of the shit they do when things don't go their way is some of the best television on Beverly Hills Housewives I've I've watched it's
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And I was just like, well, now that we have a kid, like every day that goes by river will need us less and less, you know, like she can't shot in the heart. So like the, and then I just started crying. Oh, You know, obviously, because she has that bond. But I was just kind of pointing out that, like, you know, we're so used to River.
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I just wish to read instead of maybe, you know, she's not thinking with a clear head. She's going through it. That all makes total sense. Like she definitely deserves grace. But I just wish she would have instead of like trying to steal Sutton's handbag. and acting like she had like rights to it.
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Just be like, hey, listen, last time I saw you, you really hurt my feelings because you really dismissed me. Like when I was just being vulnerable, talking about like my terrible divorce and how it's affecting my fucking kids. And you just like, you didn't give a fuck. Just say that.
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I gotta say, that preview for next week with Sutton basically being like, I have more money than you. Ugh.
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Either way, but, like, same thing. It's just, like, you're just being, like, it's just a competition of who married smarter.
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I guess. But, like, you know, son's wealth does come from her husband.
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And it's worth a half a million dollars a month. Look, I'm not the forensic probably worth more.
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And well, listen, she has a right to say it's her money. She obviously has more money than all of us, but he's probably three.
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We can't look away for five seconds, especially now that she's walking. Oh, I know. And so it's just like for survival, our daughter needs constant supervision. And like everything goes by, she gets a little bit more independent. And that'll be the case every day for the rest of her life. You know, and I think as we get older as adults, we will.
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Yeah, he's fine. I mean, like I'm just saying, but it's not the flex, you know, you're,
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you're trying to hurt someone's feelings let's be clear she was trying to hurt Dorit when saying this you know meanwhile again while someone's going through divorce which must be a very scary time especially if you are someone in Dorit's position because it's like Sutton doesn't have a care in the world she's just $30,000 bag like I don't know.
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Erica Jane doesn't live in the same house she used to. You know what I'm saying? That's a, that's a shift. We've been critical of Erica, but like what she has reinvented herself and to adjust and to go from a mansion of opulence and wealth to like, it's, you know, say what you want and fine. Maybe we don't have sympathy for people with money or whatever.
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And she, you know, obviously Erica still has a very charmed life, but like that is an emotional shift and that is hard to do. And some people make some very terrible and drastic decisions when they lose all their money. Or when their life drastically changed. God forbid, like, people, like, take their own life for crazy shit like that when tragedy like that happens.
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And so for Dorit to be going through something like this and not really knowing what her future looks like and Sutton to be flexing her husband's cash in her face is a choice.
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I just wish, I mean, I know you love her and she has a lot of great qualities, but she can be a real big hypocrite.
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Some more than others. Some more than others. All right. Is it time to get to Chrishell? Let's do it. All right. Up next, your favorite Selling Sunset character, Chrishell Stouse, is with us also formerly of Traders. Joins us next to catch up with what's going on in her life, her time on Traders. Let's get to the vibes.
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Before we got a Helix mattress, we were like many of you, tossing and turning, restless nights.
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Back pain sometimes. It's like, oh my God. But then we got a Helix mattress and our life changed.
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kind of push back on our parents and fight for that independence, right? And I think as parents, I'm imagining as your daughters have gotten older, you've felt that kind of... Oh, it's so hard.
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What's to get in trouble?
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You've been avoiding the show for a while.
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What did you say?
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Is this your first time in the studio?
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And you were in the one.
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What did you say?
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You definitely were. I was like, you got to come on. You're like, for sure.
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No, I know. I know.
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It's good to have you back, Rochelle.
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It's weird not having headphones on. I'm like, are we even rolling? Are we even here? Yeah, are we rolling? We are rolling.
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How have you been? So good to have you back. I'm glad that you're no longer afraid to come on.
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Yeah, but I mean, not really. I don't know. They can be. But like, you know, you're a reality TV star. What was that? I read something. You posted it. Like basically, who did that article? It was a really nice piece. You posted it.
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Vanity Fair.
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Amazing. I think they credit you for basically all of Netflix reality TV success.
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I was like, I don't know. You were the first.
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What do you think is the recipe to your success?
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We talked about this the first time you came on the show when you were on Dancing with the Stars. But like, and you probably, Chris and I were supposed to do a movie together.
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I was supposed to play her crazy boyfriend from the past or something. It was like a lifetime. You did this movie. Did you end up doing that movie? No, I didn't. You didn't. It was supposed to film in Buffalo, New York or something.
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Did you do that one?
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Really?
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I think it's Amazon. I got offered the role, and I didn't know. This was long before Selling Sunset. It was like, so-and-so's why. I was like, oh, cool. She seems nice, you know, whatever.
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Yeah, I was going to be the bad guy.
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It looked like a lot of fun. I just felt like maybe this wasn't like, it just didn't feel like it was for me. Yeah. You know?
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I'm sure, you know, I feel like this is one of those, you know how like sometimes it's almost, it feels like it's rude in like the actor world to like talk about roles you turn down because it's somehow disrespectful to the person who ended up playing this role. So I don't want to disrespect.
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Turns out we ended up being friends anyways. There you go. And now we're in the reality TV space.
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Do you think you'll ever act again?
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And as Chrishell Stiles?
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Do you like the holiday Christmas genre more?
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Then we have another icon herself. Grishel Staus is with us to talk about her time on Traders. Catch up with her. Great conversation that we have with Grishel. Very exciting stuff for you ahead. What's going on with this fish? All right. I came in here. You guys are obsessed with some fish. You asked me if I watched Finding Nemo. I was like, why do I care about this?
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Speaking of Selling Sunset, where are we in the franchise? Are you guys filming or is there anything going on? Are you allowed to say anything?
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Nine seasons? Man, that's crazy.
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Does it come out more than once a year?
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I mean, I haven't been doing this show for that long.
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Last season, there was some toxicity going on in the group a little bit. Was that fair to say?
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Are there any storylines that, again, I don't know what you can and cannot talk about, but is there reconciliation at all with any of the women? Or are there more fights? Where do you stand with everyone right now? Cause there was that whole, like, honestly, we're Chelsea. No, no, no. Really? We have actually, we have a mutual enemy.
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I mean, I'm, I'm joking when I say enemy, enemy for wasting my goddamn motherfucking time.
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You're arch nemesis.
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Yes. Thank you. She was supposed to come on and you, it was like her first season on and like, I don't know. She was caught up in whatever drama you were going on.
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either way we were, you didn't want to come on. So we were going to like, have like having a call, you know? And she's like flaked twice, like last minute.
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And she mentioned me back and forth and it was all this. It was like, it was just, you know,
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I wouldn't come on the show if you're lying. Exactly.
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Oh, that is fun. So you have your new show out. Yes, we have a new show. Love the name. Thank you. Did you come up with it? No, I did not. Alex Baskin did. Good old Alex. Yeah. Great name, right? It's a great name. It's a great name. I'm very excited about it. Thank you. I think all of Bravo Nation is excited to have you back.
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Do you think this will be the last season?
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when they call you up and you're like, really? Again?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I've never thought of that before.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
The only reason that question came to mind, because well, one, most reality TV shows don't last nine seasons. And if they do, it's not with the same cast. You know, I think you've had, you guys have had some turnover, but a lot of, a lot of you remain the same. And so like, that's just, you know, I have to be around for nine seasons. Yeah. You know, like you want me back or not?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
You know, like I did.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Hats off to you.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
The bottom's red.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And what are those called again?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I learned this, I think, in the past 12 months that they're not Louis Vuitton.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Past month.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
What do they look like visually different, the spelling?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And does Louis Vuitton sell pumps?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And vice versa.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Well done. Traders. So much fun.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Except for your vibes.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
It's all fun and games. Who cares? Although some people watch this show forget it's a game.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And are you referring to your castmates or the fans?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Were you feeling any type of like anxiety or nerves about that or feeling like maybe people weren't excited?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Was Nikki like pissed?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I mean, shit, like I'm, I'm a competitive person. I don't know if you are either, but like I've gotten mad losing Monopoly. So like I can imagine, you know, a friend voting you off again, it's still a game. Like you have to, you know, at the end of the day, like you, there are no teams.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I mean, like Dylan's been wrong.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Where do you and Tom Sandoval stand today? Have you guys... That's a feud I really love, to be honest.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And is it real or are you guys just giving him a hard time?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
So he was kind of like, you kind of went up to him, and you were like, listen, I'm friends with Ariana.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I mean, when I was on Special Forces with Tom, I... I didn't know. I hadn't really met him. And I was like, hey, I know who you are. I have a show. I've talked a lot of shit, you know, because I just I didn't want to be like a wolf in sheep's clothing. I didn't want to like, you know, kind of try to explain, you know, we have a show. I didn't really know you.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
You know, I don't know you, but like I look forward to getting to know you and yada yada. But it's a completely different show. Like you're supposed to unite and come together. And Traders literally is not supposed to trust anyone. Yeah.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Anyway, when you say like so when you're talking off camera, you say the rules are you can't really talk about what's going on in the show.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
You can talk about like, I don't know. And at the time, the traders hadn't even been sports or something.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I don't even know.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
What I mean, did you get to know him at all?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I was we got a chance to interview Sam a couple weeks ago and I I've kind of fell in love with him. You know, I don't know what I think he's you know, I said to him, I think everyone knows who you are and no one knows who you are because like we all know him as like the ex of.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
You know, Brittany, this massive icon, we only knew what we thought or heard or assumed, you know, and I was really impressed by, you know, just who he was and chatting with him. But like, what was your opinion of, I mean, what, when you first met him, were you kind of like me where it's just like, who is this guy?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Well, that iconic line when it was like, dude, you're being such a bitch. Don't call your sister a dude.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And then you find out who he is and you kind of wonder, you know, there's so many questions. Like, what was that like for you?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
But yeah, so I. That's such a shame she got voted off so early. I know. I know she's so funny.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
So you like what you learn, but.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
There was a, when, when Danielle killed you or exiled you or whatever, she said to you, no one was going to vote you off. Basically saying like, everyone knows you're a faithful. Did you agree with her? And what do you think she meant by that? I'm really fascinated. And I think I, who did I ask?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I think I asked Rob this too, because there seems to be some people where like everyone, including the traders, there's just like, yeah, they're just, we know they're a faithful. Which is interesting because how do you know anyone's anything? If you don't know who the traitors are, then how do you know who's definitely a faithful?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And I am curious what you think she meant by that and if you agreed.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I get the, I get the problem of almost being tooth faithful, but how did, cause like I could picture, you know, I don't know, like if I'm on that show with you, let's say I was on the season with you. Right. I would have been like, if I'm thinking going in, who would, who would they pick to be? a trader, you could definitely, you would be on the top of my list.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Like, well, you, you know, you're obviously a lovely, nice person, right? Like easy to be around. People enjoy your company. You're popular, but you're not, you're smart and you're, you're, you're, you're very like sophisticated.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
But I know you enough to know that you're smart. And I know that like you, you, But I guess, and I don't know what everyone else thought about you, but clearly whatever you did, you were like, everyone's like, yeah, well, she is definitely a faithful. And I'm just curious, what did you do to make everyone, even so much so, believe that you're almost too faithful?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Like during like you're playing the game, you almost like.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Wow. Did you do any prep going into the show? Like, did you play a lot of what's the game?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Yeah.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Did Rob blow your mind when he was like, like just how calculated you were?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I just want to play with him. Did you ever suspect he was a traitor?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Yeah.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And I imagine when you guys discussed filming the show, like you went to your husband and the girls and asked their interest in doing it. Definitely.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I feel like if you can figure out who the traitors are and not tell anyone and get close to the traitors, that's gotta be the move. And don't tell the traitors, just keep it to yourself and make the traitors feel like you believe in them because then they will see you as an ally.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And where did you shop before you went? Like, did you come fully ready to go? Do they provide anything?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Credit to the cast. Cause he all like really look like, I mean, Rob has a backward hat, but.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Even the red dress you went home with?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Ready to go home or, like, really sad FOMO after you got killed?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Yeah, you did have a dramatic death. You're right about Dance with the Stars too. That's even worse because if you, like it's still on and it's live and you see them all performing and you're like, I was there last week. Yeah.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
That's amazing. How's G?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Stuff going around.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Everyone seems to...
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Yeah. Yeah. It's, I swear. And do they make, does, is anyone doing shit like that? Swear on your kids? Like, are people out there telling you to do that?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
She was basically saying, would you swear on your kids? Yeah.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Just out of curiosity, though, when Danielle did that, did people play along with her or people were like,
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And it's kind of like the content. It's lighter.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Like the show is very, like I'm assuming it's only on Sunday. You guys have to show up and figure out what the fuck.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And no one's like...
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Is there anyone you can't be in the room with on Selling Sunset?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
No.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And that's excluding Nicole.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
We'll see some Housewife cameos, it looks like. Yeah, yeah. Mostly Bev Hills, or are we going to have some other franchise crossovers? Mostly Bev Hills. Are you watching this season at all? I've only seen a few episodes this season. Because last night was crazy.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
You don't think he'd be good at it?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
It's British food.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
It's more like game playing. I'm just curious who you think would do well.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Oh, yeah. Yeah. I could see that.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I, you know, they asked season one and they, they've always like, they checked in. I just like, it's, it's been too hard to do.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Someday I hope I get the opportunity. Like, I think it would be a lot of fun and like, you know, like having friends who have gone out and had a good time. Yeah. I think someday, like, you know, we're doing so much here, but you know, someday I hope I get the chance.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I did Special Forces, Chrishell. Oh, that's right. And then The Bachelor, which is even worse. Yeah.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I don't think I would find it to be that much of a change.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
It was a good episode, yeah. Oh. Who are you close with? Camille. Specifically like this season and anyone on this current season? Sutton and Garcelle. Sutton and Garcelle. And Kathy. Okay. I love Kathy. Can you help us get Kathy on this show? Yes. I DM'd her once and she wrote back. She's like, let's do it. And then we went back and forth and she has since ghosted me.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Tom.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Was he really proud of it? I mean, I'm proud of that experience.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
How's the real estate market out there?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Anything else you want to talk about? Was this hard? Easy? Did you have fun?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Now I feel like we have to ask her more questions.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
No, I'm just kidding. You're in love. You're happy. Everything's great.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Five years from now, what would be your dream come true? Like, describe your life. And I want specifics. I'm like, I'm happy and healthy. Let's assume we're happy and healthy.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Conceiving is always a very emotional time and scary time, regardless of who you are. And can I ask some questions around that? Sure.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
What's the process that you guys are going through?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Well, I'm excited for you both. Thank you. And I wish, luck seems like I'm wishing you nothing but luck.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
But I certainly know that can be an emotional time. So, you know, just, you know, be there for each other, obviously. I'm sure, obviously, you guys are. But anything else?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I can go deeper. I mean, like, what's your trauma? Let's unpack it, Rochelle.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
You're the one who's like, that's it? As if I didn't do my job.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
What do you mean?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
No.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
You know, Natalie and I, we've been sharing more anecdotal stories about our love life. I was absolutely right, though. I know the internet completely disagreed with me.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I think we would have so much fun. Oh, you would.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
You're a great person to ask because I do feel like a lot of... Mine and Natalie's like discussion and more subsequently, like the opinions of the Internet. I feel like it was more gender based.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
You know, guy job versus girl job.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And I feel like with you and G, who's doing what? Because like you guys don't have to conform to some of the gender stereotypes that maybe your, you know, heterosexual relationships do.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Who's getting the water?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
There was that scene last night where they were all fighting and Buzz was like, you should just be quiet. And Kathy's like, you're right.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
For the record, I want to say that there are several nights each week where I am in bed and then have to get out of bed to do whatever. So the in bed first rule does not apply to members of our family.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I am traumatized by that.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Yeah, we're just a vessel for all relationships out there to feel seen.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Chrishell, I always love seeing you.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I just want this to be harmless for you. So then, you know, next time when I'm like, come back and you're just like.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
You should be on twice a year.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I don't know. You're a busy bee. You're a fascinating person. Are you watching any TV? Are you doing any?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Are you doing Severance at all?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Oh my God. Where are you?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
You're caught up.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I will make a call when I leave here. I would really appreciate it. And also, I just want to say how proud I am of you on your special forces appearance.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
No, there's no more Bachelorette.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Are you kidding? I love White Lotus. Did you watch the first episode? Yes. I thought the first episode was a little slow.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
What is the new song?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I understand it's episode one. You got all these things mature. You got the story right. But I was like...
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I have to shut up.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Well, this is the second floating dead body to start the season, so...
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I think it's going to be great, but... The reviews, I mean, everyone says this is... They've hyped this up.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
No, but I don't know. Critics, I don't know. Someone, the internet, you know, maybe it's Mike White himself, but like... But Parker Posey can do anything.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Denise had called me up a few months after she had came on the show. And for people who don't remember or who didn't listen to that episode, Denise was very interested in asking questions about my time on Special Forces.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I love the people in the cast.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I've just, you know, but I've heard this is like...
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
So unmemorable for me.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Like we love you. Thanks for coming.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
All right, well, thanks for listening, and thank you to all our guests, Denise Richards, Alex from Love is Blind, and Chrishell Stouse. We love them all. We've got a great week lined up for you next week, so be sure to tune in. Until then, have a great weekend. Bye.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Oh, okay. You liked the idea.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
You were still on the fence. Yeah. I was still on the fence. Now that I went to, I remember it because now that I decided to like drive to Calabasas for brunch. Yeah. It was one of those things, like, let's do something different, you know? And it went by, that was a nally. Let's do something different. So we drove to Calabasas for a brunch that wasn't as good. Whatever. Anyways, Denise called.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And I was like, Denise, why aren't you calling me? I'm like, I have a friend.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
But Nini's called and she had some questions about special forces. And I was, I answered those questions and she ended up doing it. And you were so like committed to doing well. And that was your big thing when you called is like, you really wanted to go and kind of test yourself and see what you're capable of. And I really admired that.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Well, I thought it was incredible. You were literally a speeding boat jumping onto a helicopter and you did that.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Exactly. Like when I went into that show, I was like, oh, they're going to give us all this training. And no, what happens is like you're standing on like, I don't know, the shoreline. And then they go look over there and they like demo. They're like, this is what you're going to do. Watch. And they're like, go do that. That's it. That's all the training you get.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Sie sagt, ich war so offensichtlich raus, weil ich gerade aufgewacht bin. Und ich sage, was zur Hölle machst du? Und dieser Mann steht auf, rennt aus der Tür. Und ihr Leute, er hatte eine Skimaskin, volle schwarze Arme, schwarze Schuhe, die volle Sache. Und ich ging, oh, fuck, weil Cam in der Bett mit mir war. Ich habe nicht geschrieen, ich habe nicht geschrieen.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Du denkst in diesen Momenten, dass das, was du tust, aber deine Instinkte kicken. Und ich fühlte ehrlich gesagt, als wäre ich in Mission Unmöglich. Once I woke Jay up, then I got really nervous. Then I started to get really scared. I started shaking. This is when she was married to Jay Cutler.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
He wasn't in the bed with them. Maybe he was asleep on the couch or I don't know what. But she was in the bed with her son. And it's like when she went and told Jay what happened, it had like hit her. And she said her kids to this day still don't know that that happened. But like, I think there is a lesson in there for everyone. Like, hide your shit. Do not have your stuff out. Like,
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Wir sind verdammt nackt.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Love that.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Is it bright?
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Right?
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
In that moment to not be like... Fight or flight, yeah. To think like, I don't want my child to wake up and see this and be like scarred or have trauma and like, that's crazy.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Fall back asleep? No. Yeah, I mean, I definitely, I don't know what I would do in that scenario. I think we all like to imagine, you know, what we do. We all watch these crime shows and these whatever's and you think like, what would I do?
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Ja, ich denke definitiv, dass du, wenn du Kinder hast, ich meine, für mich zumindest, die Flucht ist keine Option mehr. Ja, es ist wie wenn du für dein Kindesleben kämpfst, sicher. Gibt es noch etwas Neues von Tom und Victoria?
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
So that means I'm on my own for supper.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Ja, weißt du? Und dann haben sie mich erwartet. Ich bin sicher, dass sie gesagt haben, er wird dir das tun. Was hat Ariana gemacht? Er wird es dir tun. Ich kann mir nicht vorstellen, dass sie das gemacht hat.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
He's not going to. These people act like they are above getting a fucking job. Like, you don't have to be on TV. You don't. Like, go work at the mall. It's not going to happen. Go work at Auntie Anne's. Literally.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Well, yeah, and so I'm, you know, also on my own with Rivers' nighttime routine, which, that's no big deal, but, you know, it's like, when should I order food?
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
I went to these blogs and was like, hey, me and Justin aren't sleeping.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Well, no, it's just hard to take care of a baby and cook yourself supper. You know, I only have two hands. So, and she does not really allow me to put her down. I know she allows you to put her down. But anyways, so, so I, yeah, I was like trying to map out like, okay, when should I order? I was like, I'll do Thai food from our place here. And then I was like, okay. I don't want that.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Oder... oder... oder... oder... oder... oder... oder... oder... oder... oder... oder... oder... oder...
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Just wait until they announce that they're divorced or they're separating. Like, what the fuck? It's so weird that these people try to like meddle in and like be the ones to release this. Like, these people have kids. Yes. And you want to be so badly to be the person who's like, well, I knew first and I'm announcing that like they're getting a divorce because they fucking hate each other.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Like, that's so weird to me. I'm sharing like intimate details that you clearly don't know about. They're not sleeping in the same bed and they're fighting nonstop.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
It's just so bizarre and weird to me.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
She deserves to be gassed up. Did y'all see this crazy Aaron Rodgers documentary on Netflix?
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
I have not watched it either. Could you imagine that's what I did last night? I'm like, I watched Aaron Rodgers documentary. But he did finally open up about this like family rift that's been kind of, I mean, I think it started when he was on, his brother was on Bachelorette.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Ja, richtig.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Aber das ist auch verrückt, dass sie... Ich habe den Clip gesehen und sie pannten aus und zeigten die zwei leeren Säcke. Es ist wie, komm schon. Das ist so dreckig.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
I said, you know what? I'm going to get my favorite pizza that Nick doesn't love. So I never really get it from Roberta's. There's one like right down the street. And I like, I'm like, this will be super quick. You know, it'll, I can put it in the oven and heat it up. So once reverse down, you know, for the night, I can enjoy my pizza, whatever. Type in Roberta's. Ich klicke auf Roberta's.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Und jeder hat es verstanden. Erins Eltern haben es verstanden.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Und sein Bruder. Sie waren alle so, ja, klar, pannt aus und macht es aus, als ob unser Sohn es verpasst hat und nicht kommen wollte.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Nein, seine Familie. Wir waren so, ja, sicher, wir setzen ein Tisch mit zwei leeren Sägen und machen ein ganzes Ding.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Das ist verrückt. Ja, lass uns ihn ausruhen. Das ist verrückt.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Well, his family started it when they went on The Bachelorette and they made it a whole thing about how they're not Yeah, but in the documentary, Aaron is like, listen, this happened in high school. Like, this started where, like, we had this riff in high school and then college and then post-college. Yeah.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
He's like, it's just been a long, like, they clearly have just struggled with their relationship for a long time.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
And no one has ever asked Aaron, like he's just never talked about it. And so like doing this documentary, you know, obviously it's talking about a lot of stuff in his life. And his relationship with his family clearly is a big one. And also Olivia Munn is a huge actress. And so like, why would you leave an empty seat for her, Bachelorette?
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Like, we think Miss Olivia Munn is gonna come on your show and meet her boyfriend's brother's girlfriend?
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
60 Minuten. Und ich denke, sie müssen beschäftigt sein. Aber ich denke, okay, ehrlich gesagt, das gibt mir genug Zeit, alles zu machen. Das wäre großartig. Ich bestelle 80 Dollar später. Für eine Pizza? Für eine Pizza und eine kleine Salat. Sie haben den Tipp, sie haben den Preis, sie haben den Lieferpreis, sie haben das fucking alles. Also endet es mit 70, 80 Dollar. So teuer. Und ich denke, okay.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Shocker.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
They did. But I mean, even, I mean, Aaron says like, no, that was a great relationship. Nothing bad was going on. This was just like deep-rooted family drama. And like, didn't his dad say, like Aaron's dad come out and say something? And then like, wasn't Stephen A. Smith like, dude, what the fuck? Like, why are we bringing, like, you don't do that.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
So what is going on? What is going on?
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Sie waren sehr ähnlich. Ich weiß es nicht. Ich meine, wir könnten das Seite-zu-Seite-Gespräch machen.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Und Brianna machte eine Sache. Sie ging auf Social Media und sie hat gesagt, sie hat meine Designs verloren.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Ich hoffe, dass du diese Pizza genießen wirst. Why would you do that? There's one 10 minutes from me. Why would they show me the one that's an hour away from me? That's so stupid. Isn't that insane?
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
And it has Sidney Warners' husband, Fred.
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And I feel like they're doing well.
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No idea. I did not watch or listen to their episode together, but I do know a lot of people were very confused because they were like, weren't you accusing her of stealing all your merch? Like, what's going on here?
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Nein, ich glaube nicht, dass sie das tun würde. Ja, sie sehen sehr glücklich und lieb. Also, ja. Aber okay, wir gehen 49er. Nick geht 49er.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
We're all going to go Packers. Okay, cool.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
There's a lot of decisions you have to make when you have a baby. And the one that I feel the most comfortable and safe making is using Huggies for our daughter River. The new Huggies Skin Essentials are here. A brand new dermatologist approved line of diapers, wipes and pull-ups training pants are all designed with baby sensitive skin in mind.
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Sure.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Oh. Justin, gehst du nach Hause?
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Was hast du Santa für Weihnachten gefragt?
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Wow.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Oh, I'm definitely getting hammered on Christmas Eve. Right? Ich glaube, wir feiern unsere Familie, Nick, Nick und River und die Hunde. Wir machen das dieses Wochenende. Also am Freitagabend dieses Wochenende ist Weihnachtsabend und am Samstag ist Weihnachtsabend. Also müssen wir die Kuchen am Freitagabend für Santa backen.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Na, du willst unseren ersten Weihnachtsabend? Oh mein Gott. I thought Christmas was Saturday. Well, that's Christmas Day, but we do Christmas Eve like dinner. Oh my God.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
I am done because I am ahead of the curve. Neither have I. Oh my God.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Nick hasn't gotten me... Ja. Ja.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Well, that's why I made you a PDF form with photos and links and sizes and colors.
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Wir haben die Veranstaltung gesehen.
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I didn't order John and Vinny's.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
I did post on my Instagram and said, I really hope that Aria, and I tagged her, is not with this man. I need her to run as fast as possible. And she did respond. But she only responded and talked about my decor in my house. So there was no like, haha, girl, fuck that man. There was no like, well, just give it a second.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
That was from when Joe and Serena were at the house. Oh yeah, I forgot. Yeah, no. I was like, how many things did she eat? Once I realized it was already too late. He was on his way. He was getting on the 405 at 6 o'clock. And I'm like, well, this is going to be a disaster. Okay.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Okay, all right.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
If you come from a big family like Nick and I, it can be so hard to buy everyone a personal gift for the holidays. Luckily, we've got the perfect gift for you. Skylight Frame is the touchscreen digital photo frame your whole family will love. Upload thousands of photos with your phone and watch them appear in seconds. I actually got the Skylight Frame for my dad last year for Christmas.
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He was unfortunately in the hospital and it was such a nice way to kind of have all of us with him in the hospital. You know, it's like a lot to pack up frames and mit ihnen zu reisen oder sie mit dir zu bringen, wo auch immer du gehst. Aber einfach den Skylight Frame zu nehmen, ihn reinzunehmen und ihn auf seinem Bett zu haben, das war so persönlich und so bedeutend für ihn.
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Und ich freue mich wirklich auf Skylight, dass er mit so einem tollen Produkt herausgekommen ist.
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It is so easy to use. The setup takes less than 60 seconds. You can invite friends and family to easily share photos via the free Skylight mobile app or an email. It looks beautiful. Photos are displayed in HD resolution and you can choose from five different frame styles that works both in portrait and landscape. So whatever anyone's home style is, there is an option for them.
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Sundaes contains 90% meat, 10% superfoods and 0% synthetic nutrients or artificial ingredients. Dog parents report noticeable health improvements in their pups, including softer fur, fresher breath, better poops and more energy after switching to Sundaes. It's also so convenient, which obviously we have so much going on as just... Bis zum nächsten Mal.
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I was pissed. And I also felt really bad for the delivery driver because... It's miserable. I only tipped him $5 because I was like, this is an easy drive. I'm five minutes from this place. I'm close. It's easy. And he had to sit in traffic. The 10 is stopped.
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First Leaf is a wine box subscription service. Each month, customers receive a selection of wine tailored to their preferences. You can join First Leaf to enjoy some fantastic personalized wine just for you. It will become your secret weapon for the holiday season. From hosting to attending parties, you'll always have great wines on hand to share with friends and family.
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They're also really great at finding special occasion wines. If you ever need extra bottles, you can easily add more to your club orders. Getting started with First Leaf is a breeze. You just answer a few quick questions about your wine preferences on their site and they put together an amazing assortment of top-notch wines just for you and gets delivered right to your door.
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This would be such a great gift for the holidays for someone in your life who loves a glass of Bis zum nächsten Mal.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Show me the range. So I was in a bad mood and then I was, before all of that happened, before I realized, you know, I'm like, River, we haven't shown her any sort of range. TV or anything like that. We've honestly tried to do it on airplanes and she's been not interested. But I was like, how fun would it be to get in the bed and put on Dumbo, like the original Dumbo, and watch a movie with her.
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And it was so sweet and so cute and she loved it.
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Ich habe ihn vertraut. Ich habe ihn vertraut. Ich habe ihn vertraut. Damn. So yeah, that was my night last night.
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It's okay. And I am almost out of ranch, which, don't even give me certain facts, I did ask them for ranch, they put no ranch in the bed, and then I only had a couple squirts.
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Y'all know I have intruder syndrome. You thought he was the killer. And the night before, I woke up in the middle of the night because I was like, are our windows locked? Like in River and the Gaspit. And I had to get up and I had to make sure everything was locked. Then Nick had left my car unlocked, which that triggers a whole new anxiety. So then I had to like read my book to fall back asleep.
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So then last night, I don't hear, we have like the passcode on our door, you know? And I don't hear that. I just hear Nick's little... Bootheels, klicken through the thing with a flashlight. What's a flashlight? I don't want to wake up my baby.
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And I'm in bed and I go, Nick? He's trying to be courteous. And he's like, yeah. And I'm like, Jesus, I thought it was someone trying to kill me. She's already reaching for a fireplace poker. Literally.
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The Skin Essentials Diapers features the Skin Protect Liner, which is what helps take care of the ick and stick that can cause rash.
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Ja, er hat das definitiv nicht gefragt. Komm auf mich so hin. Wenn jemand aus dem Schlafzimmer wach ist und performt, Prost an sie. Nach dem Gedanken, dass du getötet wirst, Prost an sie. Dann wollte ich über einige Ideen sprechen, über die ich am Abend gesprochen habe.
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Which is just... Disgusting. It's an insane thing. Like, the notes, apologies, right now, it feels like everyone and their mother is doing one. Literally. So, like, and this is such serious things that you have been accused of. Like, why are we just like, ah!
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Und frohe Weihnachten.
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The comfiest outfit I've ever seen in my life. It was these cool sweatpants and a hoodie and they're from Viore.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Eines meiner Lieblingsmöglichkeiten ist, dass du sie auf deinen Kopf schieben kannst und sie deinen Haar nicht rausziehen. Sie sind großartig für Rennen, Reisen, Arbeit, Golfen, gehen auf den Strand, Hiken oder nur chillen. Sie sind leichtgewichtig, stylisch und schlagen nicht aus deinem Gesicht.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
You probably spent more delivering coffee to your house this morning.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Ich liebe sie, ich liebe Aria.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Habt ihr sie ausgesprochen? Wir haben sie gefragt.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
He is also a landlord. So the finale in the reunion.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
She is a bad bitch. I don't care what's on the nails. I love her. In her grave, she is a bad bitch. For that move, it was so iconic. And her just being like, Mm-hmm. Das ganze Hall-Pass-Ding und dann all diese Fotos zu spielen, hat mich so viele Male über und über und über wieder vom Vomit gewünscht. Der konstante Unverschämtheit, dass dieser Mann einfach nicht über Zayn geredet hat.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Und das war der erste Tag, an dem sie da sind, wo sie einfach die anderen Leute treffen. Ja. Es ist der, der Hallpass gesagt hat, und du hast Hallpass gesagt.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Was zur Hölle? Und dann für ihn zu sagen, das ist nicht, was ich gemeint habe. Nein, ihr habt das aus dem Kontext genommen. Das ist nicht so, wie ich es gesagt habe.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Was macht ihr für die Weihnachten?
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Ja, er dachte wahrscheinlich, dass sie... Ich glaube nicht, dass es Video-Fotos von ihm gab, oder? Es war nur Audio? Nein, es gab es. Er sagt, Hall Pass, die erste Nacht. Ich bin hier für einen Hall Pass. Verrückt. Er hat wahrscheinlich vergessen, dass sie ihn mit der Kamera gedreht haben.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Das Ziel, das dieser Mann glaubt, dass er hat, ist einfach schrecklich für mich. Zuerst einmal, wir haben dich alle verdammt schlecht auf diesem Show. Niemand mag dich. Und jetzt denkst du, dass jemand dir 10.000 Euro zahlen wird, um zu sprechen, wie dreckig du warst auf diesem Show?
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
You know what? Have the followers. There's no way. Who's buying stuff from this man if he starts influencing?
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
His side of the story is not going to be true. And then Scotty, the disrespect of this man to won't even let Zayna speak. Und ich kann das einfach nicht mit diesen Männern. Es ist verrückt.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Weil sie nicht zusammen sind. Sie sind nicht zusammen.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Ich verabschiede mich von ihr für einige meiner Bemerkungen.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Je mehr wir mit ihnen gesprochen haben, desto mehr fühlte es sich an, wie, du weißt, weil Sandy hat immer wieder referenziert, es gibt mehr von der Geschichte, es gibt mehr von der Geschichte, von der Geschichte, von der Geschichte, von der Geschichte, von der Geschichte,
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
I think maybe Nick might be more problematic than he... Seems like there's some stuff that happened that maybe they agreed that they would not air out in public.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Which I respect. They're right. Listen, yeah. If you don't, you know...
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Bitch, get... I'm fucking over it. No, and I said this to Nick and Vanessa, and I'll say it here, because you'll hear this first. They should have stayed on their fucking couch. Like, The way that Vanessa and Dave, you left the show, okay? Chanel and Micah, like, they're on TikTok Lives, like, they're thriving, they're doing great.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Why Vanessa and Dave thought they needed this 15 minutes of fame so bad? Like, you gave up on the show, you left, we don't need you back. They were both annoying. We don't need you back. Then they come back to only, like, air out, like, yeah, lecture and talk about, like, her time with, her day with Nick. It's like,
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
And I have zero respect, especially coming from a fucking woman, to tell anyone when it is their time to deal with their trauma, to go to therapy, to get help. Like, that's not her fucking place. She doesn't know this man. She spent 24 hours with him. And you feel like now you're gonna come on a national TV show and tell him in front of everyone, it's your time to get help?
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Nein, nein, nein, der nächste Teil ist der beste. Der nächste Teil ist der beste. Weiter geht's.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Like, you think that's gonna help him? It's only gonna make it fucking worse. Now you're telling the fucking world that he has all these issues and all this trauma. Sorry, but I have zero respect for that. You should have stayed at home on your couch. We didn't need you. You're hot. I just can't take it. And then Dave literally said fucking nothing. We didn't need you. We didn't need you.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
And I'm not downplaying her experience with him. I have no idea what he did to her. She said he was rude. Obviously, I have no respect for that. I'm not downplaying anything she went through. What I am downplaying is she left the show. She chose Dave. She chose a life with Dave. Pop the fuck off and live your life with Dave.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
You don't get to come back on this show and lecture and air out what happened with this man. You don't have the right. You left.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
And for her to be like, you lied, you weren't homeschooled. He's like, I what? She's like, for a semester, you're a liar.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
And he was like, it was for a year. It's like, who gives a fuck? He was homeschooled. Like, why come on here and be like, you're a liar.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Oh, she hasn't stopped chirping on TikTok. I'm like.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
It's like, what? So fucking weird.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
No, no, the personal growth. The growth. He's gotta grow. He's an abuser and he needs to grow from being an abuser.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
They're like, oh, you want to come out here and spill some? Sure, yeah, come talk shit.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Okay. Bring them on, like,
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
They literally came out to say that and then to leave. That's all. That's all that they did. We got no update on like, not that I really give a fuck, but like, but we did that there.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Thank God. I know that about Vanessa and Dave, that they are still like at some point in their lives going to get married. I feel like everything I learned about Vanessa and Dave, I learned against my will. Honestly, it triggers me so bad because telling someone that their trauma is like now they need to deal with it. Who are you?
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
They should. She had zero right to do that. How did you feel about Aria calling out Caleb with the watching of the stories? That was weird. It was like she cannot accept the fact.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Which like maybe he wasn't. We're only seeing clips.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
I don't agree with that, because if he got dragged to do this the second that Dave left his girl, he would have been like, Babe, let's get the fuck out of here, because I didn't even want to come here.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Ja.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
But it's like he is engaged with Mariah. They seem happy. They traveled the West Coast or whatever the hell they did. And for your like her only thing was like you're viewing my stories and liking my stories.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
She knew about the blocking. She said something about like, the blocking I was aware of, it was like the other liking and stuff she didn't know. Which I also didn't appreciate her like coming after Caleb in that moment of like, we're on TV. Like you're just...
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
An einem Punkt musst du tatsächlich wachsen. Und du kannst nicht nur diesen Wachstum fortsetzen. Es muss an einem Punkt tatsächlich einen Effekt haben.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Act ever. But also women and like there was a time in my life before you, Nick, where I was like only, you know, it's like, oh, my God. No, I get it. They're obsessed with me.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Es geht nicht nur um deine DMs. Du scrollst einfach auf, wer deine Geschichte gesehen hat.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
But I didn't love that Mariah went after her fiancé on live television in front of everyone. I wish she would have been like, listen, I wasn't aware of that. That's definitely a conversation we need to have in private, but thanks for bringing it to my attention.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Ja. Ja.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Herausforderungsmomente, die du erschaffen hast? Challenging moments of beating your partner?
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
And I loved it every time. No, she said, I didn't call you. ein verdammtes C-Wort. Ich habe dich ein dummes C-Wort genannt. Und ich habe gelacht. Aber jetzt denke ich, du bist ein dummes verdammtes C-Wort.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
That's an insane post. You guys, we should feel sorry for James.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Nein, nicht für dich. Nein, nicht für dich.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
The way that Justin has been trying to get this out for so long. Sorry, Justin, go ahead. It's not important. Justin, you are important.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Until now. I mean, listen, I unfortunately am still Team Dorit through this because Sutton... Why do you say unfortunately? Well, because obviously... Because I'm in the room. That wasn't a nice thing to say to Camille. You know, I don't back...
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Thank fuck. Maybe this time.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Wir vergessen Erika Janes Namen.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Yeah, a little bit of Mary energy. The whole like, I've been through stuff. Well, I've also been through stuff. And like, well, I three have been through stuff. It's like, oh, come on. Everyone in this world, we're all like...
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
That's most important to him, is to move forward.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Justin, warum bist du Team Sutton?
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
I wonder if Garcelle is going to elaborate, because that was like the most biggest bomb with no follow-up. For them to just cut to commercial, I was like, oh, oh, and now we're moving on? No, Sutton had no questions.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Nein, ich erinnere mich definitiv nicht an Team Garcelle. Das war verdammt.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Justin liebt sie. Ich meine, ihr Malibu-Haus ist das von Rags to Riches. Das war eine verrückte Transformation.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
I'm a victim. That was her husband who was stealing from poor people.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
kind of wild like it does feel like no matter what one of them says something and it triggers the other one instead of them like asking for clarity also I am so over this like whole Teddy didn't she literally said Teddy I wouldn't consider her a close friend but like we're friends and all of these women are like that's not what she said yeah but you post her famous dad and we keep doing a flashback and that's literally what she said and it's so frustrating I'm like I wish they would just tell these women in the moment like
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Okay, drop it, because she did say that. So, like, it's fine.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
I'm ready for her to come back.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Okay, bravo, expert.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
No comments.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
I mean, all of them are at fault, like the entire Bravo Network for covering it up. There was clearly stuff that they edited out that they like.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Warum nicht?
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Yeah, no, I agree.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Yeah, I think what I saw, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I think her family was coming to town to spend like the holidays with them, like in their house. And then obviously all of this happened. And so they got like an Airbnb and she's staying with them. Yeah, I hope she feels supported and I hope she feels like she has a safe space within her family and she doesn't have to go back to him.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Because I know in these situations you do feel like you
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
you know that's your house and that's you know where you've built a life and you want to believe in the best of them and you want to you want to well they also say you know like yeah i love you and i'm sorry and it'll never happen again and it'll you know this is the only time i'll never do this and if you're a man and you are capable of doing that i don't care how fucked up you are like
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Fantastisch. Borj. Ich bin verrückt. Oh mein Gott.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Fuck that guy.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
You know how I was just talking about my intruder syndrome?
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Well, it definitely wasn't helped after reading Kristen Cavallari's story that she just talked about. It happened in 2020 during COVID. Her and her family were in Jamaica, I believe. It was like during COVID, they had like escaped, tried to be, you know, they were in a hotel or in an Airbnb rental property, whatever, in Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Her Jewelry. Und sie ist aufgewacht.
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E858 - The Ultimatum w/ Aria, James Kennedy’s Pathetic Response, Aaron Rodgers Shades The Bachelor & RHOBH
Nein, natürlich nicht. Ich bin verrückt. Warum? Because last night, Nick went out to dinner with his manager. We had a work dinner. We had a work dinner.
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E919 - The Valley, Katy Perry In Space, Aimee Lou vs Walton, RHOBH, Daniella Pineda & Elizabeth Wagmeister
Saks Off 5th. Up to 70% off every day. Spring is in full swing here at Saks Off 5th, with so many exciting trends to try. From matching sets and floral dresses to wide-leg jeans and embellished ballet flats, you'll find all of this season's must-have styles. Discover the latest men's essentials too. Linen, camp shirts, loafers, and so much more. Plus, shop new designer arrivals weekly.
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E919 - The Valley, Katy Perry In Space, Aimee Lou vs Walton, RHOBH, Daniella Pineda & Elizabeth Wagmeister
Find Gucci, Tom Ford, Valentino Garavani, Balenciaga, Stuart Weitzman, and more at up to 70% off. Whether you're packing for a summer getaway, getting ready for upcoming special occasions, or updating your work wardrobe, Saks Off 5th has all the fashion you need. Head to saksoff5th.com or a Saks Off 5th store near you for up to 70% off every day.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
2017?
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
Saks Off 5th, up to 70% off every day. Spring is in full swing here at Saks Off 5th, with so many exciting trends to try. From matching sets and floral dresses to wide-leg jeans and embellished ballet flats, you'll find all of this season's must-have styles. Discover the latest men's essentials too. Linen, camp shirts, loafers, and so much more. Plus, shop new designer arrivals weekly.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
Find Gucci, Tom Ford, Valentino Garavani, Balenciaga, Stuart Weitzman, and more at up to 70% off. Whether you're packing for a summer getaway, getting ready for upcoming special occasions, or updating your work wardrobe, Saks Off 5th has all the fashion you need. Head to saksoff5th.com or a Saks Off 5th store near you for up to 70% off every day.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
I mean, that recording session was wild.
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
I hope I don't turn into that person.
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
But like, happy birthday. We had been dating for like a month.
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
You know, just.
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
That's the photo? You see a vein coming out of my neck?
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
Two sides to every story. There is.
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
Ist das nicht ihre Seite der Geschichte, dass dieser Restaurant zu ihr rausgekommen ist und gesagt hat, du sollst rein kommen und dass sie schon gecompt worden ist?
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
I will give her the pass on miscommunication and that I don't think she's delusional or entitled for thinking that she would get comped, especially if she's been comped before. And while I agree with Natalie that usually if they're not saying you're in a comp, you shouldn't assume because... We all know what happens when you assume.
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
Where she went way wrong is that once she got presented with the bill, kind of be frustrated, but just pay the fucking bill. And don't make a scene. Don't act like you can't afford it.
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
And then never go back.
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
Weil wenn sie es gemacht hätten, hätten sie es dir gratis gefordert.
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
Oder sie wissen, wer du bist und wollen, dass du weißt, dass sie es nicht geben.
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
But I mean, a lot of restaurant tours, restaurant owners are criminals. Oh, for sure. Yeah, it's a shady business. Some wonderful people, a lot of shady characters who like, yeah, like have all these different ways of like ripping off their staff or whatever, ripping off their customers. Ja, genau. So that we can give them more money.
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
So you pay them more.
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
See, that makes me want to go, can I tip more?
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
Yeah, when I was a waiter too, Justin, in case you didn't know. Olive Garden. And I worked at the Olive Garden. Like, I think it was, if there was a party of more eight or more, we had the option to, like, include it. Like, as an automatic. And I think it was, like, written on the receipts. And I would say, listen, just a heads up, do not overtip. But if you feel so generous.
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
Yeah, no, it's before we had the love language conversation.
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If you like my face or my service. One of the two.
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Oh, please feel free to leave more.
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And it being not on my radar, I was just like, No, we're just still new. We're still working towards gifts.
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I would make the biased eye contact of my life in that moment. I'd be like,
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Nein, ich werde sagen. Ich denke, für die Serviceindustrie ist es ein Problem, den wir lösen müssen, weil wir eine Geldlose Gesellschaft sind. Wenn es um Hotels, Ballettfahrer und solche Dinge geht, gibt es viele Zeiten, in denen ich sie tippen will und ich fühle, dass ich sie tippen soll, aber ich trage keine Geld mit.
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Es gibt Momente, wo ich denke, wir müssen das lösen.
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Ich will sagen, ich bin auf der Stelle in meinem Leben, wo ich die Möglichkeiten suche, um Leute zu empfehlen. Unser Uber-Fahrer, wir fliegen zurück nach L.A. und der Verkehr wurde ein bisschen schwer. Und wir waren, es wurde ein bisschen fest. Wir haben die Päckchen gecheckt. Und ich dachte, oh mein Gott, ich denke, oh mein Gott, ich meine, es könnte spät sein.
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Und ich, du weißt, wenn du deinen Uber-Fahrer hast, ist es wie, es ist eine feine Linie zwischen, wie, steigen auf es, versus, wie, ihn zu ermutigen, den Verkehrsgesetz zu brechen. Du weißt, eine feine Linie. But I was like, oh man, and I gave some voice of concern without trying to guilt him into doing anything. And this motherfucker got us there. You know what I'm saying?
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That's such a nice feeling.
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And I tipped him 50 bucks on a $70 Uber ride.
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Es hängt von welcher Stadt ab. Wenn du in L.A. bist, dann schau dir das an, denn die Polizisten sind zu müde, um Leute hinzubekommen.
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zu tun.
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Did we do anything?
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That's like flipping the screen. Literally.
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Ja, das ist ein kleiner Lifehack. Viele von euch wissen, dass ich in diesem kleinen Gesundheitsjourney in 2025 bin. Und die meiste von diesem Gesundheitsjourney ist das Stehen von einfachen Zucker. Ich habe ein bisschen einen süßen Mund. Ich weiß nicht, ob ihr das gehört habt.
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Und die schwierigste Part für mich, wenn ich diese neue Praxis integriere, war, was ich trinke, weil Wasser manchmal so furchtbar ist. And I was like shocked by just how much sugar I was drinking, whether it was like Arnold Palmers or, you know, just other even health drinks that claim to be healthy that have sugar in it.
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Well, my cheat has been IQ Mix because it gives you that great taste without the sugar. So it's just, for me, it's made it so much easier to like not give in to those simple sugar cravings. It's absolutely been a game changer for me.
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Also you can look a lot better and have more style. So whether you want to have some fun or you want to have a great comfortable sock that goes well with that suit that you just invested in that you're going to take to the wedding. Bombas is where it's at.
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Well, we have a wild episode today. I hope you all enjoyed the Going Deeper episode that we dropped yesterday with Miranda Hope. Miranda Hope McWhorter. I'm not sure what she's going by these days. But it is a fantastic episode. The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 2 is officially out. Woof! An Hulu, I imagine some of you have already watched all 10 episodes.
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Ja.
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Zwei aus drei ihrer neuen Schauspieler sind gefeuert.
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He kind of did that to himself.
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It wasn't on the show.
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Und hat sie verletzt. Und hat sie verletzt.
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Ich bin sicher, wenn er sich in den Dramen einsetzt und hot takes machte, wäre er auf dem Show. Aber wenn er nur der kurze Junge in der Runde ist, der nur nach dem Sex mit Leuten hinter geschlossenen Türen kommt und nichts offert. Und dann, wenn sie versuchen, Emeril zu kennen, ist er so, ja, ich verletze, weil ich hier nicht geboren wurde.
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I'm sure most of you are easing into this season.
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Ich schätze, nächste Woche werden wir... Wir werden nicht zu viel darüber sprechen heute. Wir werden es nächste Woche brechen. Aber wir haben Demis und ihren Mann Brett auf dieser Episode, um über diese Saison und den Dramatik, der anfängt, zu sprechen. Trigger-Warnung. In dieser Episode spricht Demis über some serious allegations about things...
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Er hat gespielt. Er hat es nicht. Er hat es nicht. Er hat es nicht. Ich fühlte mich übersexualisiert bei The Bachelor, weil ein paar Dinge passiert sind und dann konnte ich es nicht ausleben, weil es ist Bachelor ABC und sie sprechen endlich über Sex und Sex ist nicht wirklich Teil des Shows und dann war es Teil des Shows und dann war es einfach so, er macht es jede Woche. Er wählt, das zu tun.
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Genau.
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There's no way they would let them in the house without some sort of signed release. Yeah.
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That's honestly probably why he maybe got let go, because it would make a lot of sense. I'm sure there's got to be some kind of rules in the house where like if you go out and you bring people in, they must be signing rules. Der Release and like and they're subject to being on camera.
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So either he wasn't getting it signed or be that was getting it signed and then going about it in a way that was like being covert, hiding, you know, making sure they weren't seen. They're probably like, dude, you can't do that. You can't do that. If you want to be part of the show, you have to be part of the show.
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Yeah. So I guess we'll see. For them to go out of their way to cut him out. If that's what's happening is crazy. Interessant.
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Das ist der Ton.
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It's kind of giving I can't keep up with my wife's expectations, and so I'm going in the back corner and doing pulls of tequila.
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Which is crazy, if that's true. There's another side of it, though.
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Maybe controversial, maybe not, but Warner Brothers Discovery announced that Max will now become HBO Max this summer. Do I have to get another app? No. Because I have HBO Max on my Apple TV that I sometimes forget is no longer works. And they're like, sorry. And I'm like, oh.
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Ich glaube nicht, dass es nur Nia ist.
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Es gibt viele Episoden noch. Ich glaube, es kann viel verändern. Aber ich werde dieses Verhalten nicht vergessen. Right. Call her a hooker. Called her a whore.
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And he's clearly antagonizing her. He's an emotional terrorist.
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But no, I thought it was fascinating when she finally was like, you know what? You know what? I'm going to go for it. He spends all our money.
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What were the other things?
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One of the most obnoxious things I find about humans, like when Jesse talks about being cultured. If you have to like attempt to be cultured, you know what I'm saying? Like as if like it's if it's not like how you were raised, you know, which is kind of comes organically. And I don't mean like having manners and being a polite person.
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I mean, like how you're supposed to drink your wine and wine country, like bullshit like that, where it's just like, oh, fuck yourself. You know, it's such a. Es ist so ein Zeichen deiner Unabhängigkeiten und deiner Unschuld.
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Und es ist definitiv ein Zeichen, dass du Geld auf Dinge bräuchtest, auf die du nicht Geld bräuchten musst, weil du denkst, dass der Status eine Währung ist, die du sehr benötigst. Und Jesse riecht davon, weißt du? Und ja, es ist so glaubwürdig, dass er seine Geld verpasst hat, auf Dinge, die er wertvoll bezeichnet, weil es kultiviert ist.
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Als er darüber sprach, nicht darüber sprach, aber nach und nach mit dem best-looking-Guy auf dem Show. Luke. Luke. Und er sagte, du bist so unkulturell. Als ob das eine Art Digg sein sollte. Es ist so, okay. Girl, you're on the valley.
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I don't know. They're making money off of I agree.
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I really love that Kristen had a callback to Crazy Kristen. Yeah. I forgot who she was saying it about. But I really appreciate Kristen's self-awareness in her new stage in life. It's really appreciated.
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And, you know, when she's prancing around...
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They created a whole new app when they changed names.
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But, like, you can't... But it's kind of sad because you can only... You're right. They're not meant for this show, but I think they need the money.
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Ich liebe sie auch, aber ich mag nicht... Ich mag Danny nicht. Warum?
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HBO Go.
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Listen, I have no patience for over-consumers and obnoxious drunk people. And if Danny is like this person, I agree with you if he does nothing about it. At this point, it's like he's been called out. If you're out there groping people, you better lock the fuck up.
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HBO was if you had a cable for HBO and then HBO Go was if you were getting it straight from the app.
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And if he really is doing pulls of tequila out of the bottle, sneaking it to just get a little more drunk, because his wife has cut him off. Weil du weißt, was los ist. Die einzige Grund, warum er wegschaut, ist, weil seine Frau sagt, nichts mehr für dich. Und sie sagt das natürlich, weil sie weiß, dass Dark Danny rauskommen wird.
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It's in your character. Yeah, or you're so mortified that you make drastic changes immediately. Right. Weil es nicht unbedingt ein Problem ist, in dem Sinne, dass du zu Alkohol verdient bist und es brauchst, aber wenn du trinkst, verbrauchst du in einer unverantwortlichen Weise, so viel so, dass es dein Verhalten verändert. Ja. Und ja, ich meine, du hast recht, Mary ist recht. Ich weiß nicht.
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Und ich mache das. Können wir... Lass uns auf das hängen.
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Let me ask you this. Since we just unpacked Dark Danny, I get what you're saying, because it's like the whole, like, admit you're drunk, it seems like such a nothing thing, but what if Britney, instead of saying, admit you're drunk, What if she went like 10 steps further and was like, your husband's a fucking creep when he's drinking and that's a fucking problem and you need to address it.
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Like, what if she just like named the thing and then you would have been more satisfied?
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It was kind of giving a little bit of producers and the rest of the cast got together and said, we need to poke holes in this relationship.
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That's okay.
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I think we should too. All right. Well, up next to me and Brett talk about their time or a little bit about their time on season two of Secret Wives of Mormon Wives. And we will start unpacking the episodes starting next week. We also have Michaela and Jesse on next week on Tuesday's Reality Recap. We do have a juicy going deeper. We're not going to say which one it is yet.
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And then on Thursday, Macy and Layla join us to also unpack the season. How should we break it down? Do we want to go two episodes at a time? Three episodes at a time? How do we want to do it? So good that I feel like... There's ten full episodes. There's ten episodes. Maybe we go three, three and one? Yeah. Yeah.
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Three, three, three and one.
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That's the CEO of Warner Brothers.
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Egal wie, wir werden darüber sprechen in den folgenden Episoden. Es ist viel zu verpacken, wir werden es vollständig mit euch verpacken. Also macht euch sicher, dass ihr reinhört. Okay, ich bin nächstes Mal. Nur ein Erinnerung, diese Konversation bricht auf einige sensiblen Angelegenheiten. Also wollen wir euch da einen Hinweis geben. Demi und Brett.
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Most people are on a first and last name basis with the... With Mr. David Zaslav.
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And the shipping fast and carbon neutral. Plus, when you sign up, you get to pick a free gift worth up to $60 with your first order, which, by the way, is a pretty great way to try something new.
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But with Sundays you get both.
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What if you have multiple TVs online?
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Well, Brett, welcome to the Vow Files. Demi, welcome back.
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Aber du bist der Anwender von bestimmten Orten und Fernsehern.
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Yes. Why didn't anyone tell me? I haven't wanted to correct you, but like... No, that's your... You know what? Honestly, this is... That's on me. This is... My fly has been open for nine hours and now you decided to tell me.
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Do I have spinach in my teeth too? Yes, you do. All right. All right to me.
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Good job. Good job.
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No, I'm just kidding. I did meet a Brent lately, recently.
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Well, we're excited to have you back on. Season 2 of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is now out on Hulu. I'm very excited to watch it. How are you feeling about people watching it?
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Ja, du beginnst... Ich bin mir sicher, dass Leute gesagt haben, dass sie wissen, wofür sie sich eingeladen haben. In manchen Fällen ist das sehr wahr. In anderen Fällen ist es so, dass man sagt, dass man es nicht gemacht hat. Ich habe keine Ahnung, ob Taylor das oder Whitney das zu mir sagen wird. Oder ob ich das in einer bestimmten Art und Weise über Produktion fühlen werde.
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Aber du merkst auch, dass... Du entdeckst dich davon, du siehst es größer, weil wenn es in der realen Zeit passiert, ist es sehr einfach, nur deine Wahrheit zu wissen und zu wissen, dass das nicht mit dem, wie alle anderen Dinge sehen, verbunden ist. Ich erinnere mich, als ich in meiner ersten Saison auf der Bachelorette war und ich der Villain war. Oh, ich erinnere mich.
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Ich fand mich, wie jede Person, die ich auf der Straße kennengelernt habe, Leute zu überzeugen. No, like, yeah, yeah, you have five minutes, like, you know.
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I kind of felt like I was doing that. And then you just kind of realize, you know, you're just like, you know, and every once in a while, like, you'll get a comment from someone who says something like condescendingly, like, yeah, you're not as bad as I thought, you know. You're like, gee, thanks.
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But you really just don't care, you know, and you just kind of realize what, you know, not to sound cliche or corny, but you look at what you do have, you know, you look at like, and it makes your real connections in life more meaningful. Yes, yes, amen.
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Because you, you know, I'm curious, and this is more of a question for you, now that you've been in this a little bit now, is that you see, you see how this world changes people, you know, you see, I mean, I remember, you know, the first time I was on Bei The Bachelorette ist alles ein Wettbewerb. Aber bei Paradise konnte ich Leute klopfen, die Szenen machen. Und ich dachte mir, was machst du da?
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Hast du das jemals erlebt, dass die Kameras aufgingen und die Mädchen... ...performierten?
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Das ist für dich. Für mich.
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No, I actually think Whitney can't help be Whitney.
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Sie hatte es auf der Tabelle.
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Weißt du, es ist interessant. Ich habe ein bisschen von dieser Saison gesehen. Und ich denke, einer der größten Überraschungen war, dass ich Zach gesehen habe. Und ich bin interessiert, hast du Saison 1 gesehen, Brett? Ja. Was war deine Vorstellung von Zachs Ausdruck in Saison 1? Fühlst du, dass es akkurat war und er hat in seinem Leben Veränderungen gemacht?
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
Oder fühlst du, dass wir eine andere Version von ihm gesehen haben?
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
Louis will be on her phone plan.
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
I'm the same way.
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
Can we talk about ketamine therapy? Because y'all are really into that.
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
Du machst es immer unter medizinischer Überwachung. Ich würde das sagen.
The Viall Files
E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
Es scheint, dass es eine Menge Informationen gibt, wenn es um Akademie geht. Ich denke, dass die Leute davon gestorben sind. Es scheint so. Ich weiß es nicht. Aber wenn du es machst, fühlst du dich sehr sicher.
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
I also feel like for like adults or mature people, not that HBO Max is a person, but it's certainly a mature thing. HBO has been around for a while. I think like artists who change their names, they all kind of seem problematic. One of which is under trial right now, Diddy.
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
So you're not even like, you're not taking it to get high.
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
Warum ist das?
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
Ich meine, hör mal, ich meine, als, du weißt, als Partner zu deiner Schwester, wenn wir ihre Freunde treffen, haben wir unsere eigenen Opinionen. Und ich denke, manchmal, weißt du, es ist wie zuerst, du sitzt zurück und, weißt du, vielleicht könntest du falsch sein, könntest du recht sein, aber ja, ich meine, ich Sometimes you just feel a certain way.
The Viall Files
E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host Nick and we are excited to be with you. Yeah, we are.
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
No.
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
I don't know. I think the audience would be fascinated by knowing that you haven't seen it yet.
The Viall Files
E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
Glaubst du, dass die anderen Frauen in der Gruppe so sind? Oder glaubst du, Jess ist exklusiv dafür?
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
What do you think you're in it for?
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
It's giving insecure. It's giving you're hiding something.
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
Ich liebe es, dass ihr euch wirklich einander verliebt habt.
The Viall Files
E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
For the people who don't know Cassie is Diddy's ex.
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
She's phenomenal.
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
Nun, wir wissen, dass ihr euch loslassen müsst und wir wollen, dass Leute ihre ganze Saison bingen können, weil wir alle müssen beginnen, es zu schauen. Und es kam heute einfach raus. Aber ihr alle, sogar letzte Saison und früh in dieser Saison, die Teile, die ich gesehen habe, ihr alle, besonders in mormonischen Begriffen, scheint ein sehr sex-positiver Paar zu sein.
The Viall Files
E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
Und natürlich begann dieses ganze Show mit einem ganzen Schwung-Skandal. Und ich fühle mich, dass es eine Menge Anwesung gibt. Gibt es irgendeine Art von Offenheit oder Schwung in diesem bestimmten Gruppe oder in der mormonischen Gemeinschaft im Allgemeinen?
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
But like, you know, with you guys being so sex positive with your relationship, I think it sometimes like raises questions being like, are these guys freaks or whatever? Or like, so can we kind of like just... wo ihr auf der Freak-Skala landet. Und vielleicht ist es ein Doppelstandard. Hat jemand je herausgefunden, was Fruity Pebbles eigentlich bedeutet?
The Viall Files
E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
Ich meine, ihr habt es gesportet. Ich werde es nur sagen, ihr habt es als Halloween-Kostüm gesportet. Und wenn ihr nicht wollen wollt, dass Leute herausfinden, dann dürft ihr wahrscheinlich einfach stoppen. Er wird zu dem Punkt kommen, wo er sagt, das war das.
The Viall Files
E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
Und vielleicht ist das wie ein Doppelstandard mit Mormonismus im Generellen. Du denkst, es ist eine konservative, sexoppressierte Gemeinschaft. And so when you guys talk so openly about sex, people just perceive certain things about you. Do you feel that in general from the audience or even your community in general? And then also, where do you guys fall in the freak sale?
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
Denn du hast diese Narrative mit diesem Show. Wie es überhaupt angefangen hat. Ich bin sehr katholisch, also bin ich sehr bekannt mit hartgelegten religiösen Religionen, besonders im Bereich des Sexes. Und es gibt immer eine Faszination daran.
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
Und wenn du etwas oder ein Paar siehst, das gegen die Normen der Gemeinschaft, die wir verstehen, gegen eine Gemeinschaft geht, dann gibt es eine gewaltige Faszination.
The Viall Files
E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
No one else. Yeah.
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
It's too late. Okay. It's too late.
The Viall Files
E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
Maybe we'll get a chance to talk to you both in the future once we watch the whole season. We'd love that. I'm a big fan of you guys both. I'm excited to unpack this whole season. Check out all of it. If you guys are listening, be sure to check it out. It's out now. It's on Hulu. I think there's 10 episodes. I've watched a little bit so far. I'm very entertained. I'm very into it.
The Viall Files
E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
I'm excited to see how it all goes. Thanks for stopping by and hopefully we'll get a chance to talk in the future.
The Viall Files
E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
Thank you guys for listening. Thank you to our guests, Demi and Brett. We are back next week on Reality Recap with Michaela and Jesse. We'll see you on Monday for Ask Nick. Bye-bye.
The Viall Files
E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
I wonder if she's able to get in, being a CNN correspondent. I think so. Or maybe all the press doesn't get to go in.
The Viall Files
E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
How do you guys feel about cans changing the address code to no nudity, no trains?
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
I've only heard people call it cans, but... It might be can.
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
Potato, potato. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not French. Anyways, that bougie film festival that takes place in France every year, they have changed their dress code to no nudity and no trains. And trains are the long things that go on dresses. I'm for it, honestly.
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
Love you so much. How was your Mother's Day?
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
Bianca.
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
Oh, oh. Did you just say camp, man? They just don't want him to show up with her, so they're just like, hey...
The Viall Files
E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
Are you a mother? Are you a godmother?
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
This has got to be staged.
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
Who gets photographed making out with people constantly? He's like grabbing her ass.
The Viall Files
E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
A dream of mine. Listen, if you are a public figure and you're not going out of your way to avoid photos like this, then even if you're not calling the paparazzi or staging them, you're still doing it on purpose.
The Viall Files
E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
He didn't strike me as an incredibly insecure man, but this is giving incredibly insecure man. He's 54.
The Viall Files
E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
All he has to do is go shopping with any woman and that would get press. He doesn't have to make out.
The Viall Files
E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
Yeah. Or your daughters. Your adult daughters.
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
doing this are PK... Literally.
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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner
And they're like bros. They're doing podcasts together.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
We are in discussions.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
But The Office was a long time ago. I just feel like I didn't see it coming, so to speak. Where has he been? He's been kind of quiet. Exactly.
The Viall Files
E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
three four years ago maybe more I think it was more it was a little more but like it blew up like not exactly when it came out it blew up a little bit after yeah 2017 yeah I just feel like you know if you want to be in acting sometimes you have to change your body yeah I mean Sydney Sweeney is like have you seen the photos of her transitioning into what's her name the bodybuilder the boxer yeah or is it a boxer I was gonna say wrestler so I probably don't know these headlines are always just like you know Christy Martin
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
suggesting that like whoever told timothy timothy chalamet this was like some sort of like body shamer or you know said something inappropriate it's just like you're an actor sometimes you have to get into character or play a role and that's part of the gig it's a aesthetic superficial business
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Yeah, so it's like they were- But he did get ripped for that one movie. Was it Assassin that he played or something like that? He played in Assassin. I don't know. Like recently, right? Oh, it was a few years old. It had Beetlejuice.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Whatever. And I'm sure they have skinny boys in all these movies. I'm just saying if you want to play the lead character of a, you know, action, whatever movie you have to, you might have to either, you know, get into character or convince them that you can still be a believable character.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Fun fact, they didn't think Bruce Willis was good for Die Hard when they cast him for Die Hard because prior to that, he was just like in a like a sitcom called Moonlighting. It would be like casting like Joey from Friends as an action film, you know? So some people make the transition, but like, you know.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
It's a great movie. Is it a Christmas movie?
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
No, it is not.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
It's a Christmas, no, the whole movie is set on Christmas. Look, they're busy.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Come together on Christmas.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
One of the employees at the Christmas party is dressed as Santa.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
I'm kidnapping my family. I do kind of agree with that.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
I didn't know that.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Serendipity is not really a Christmas movie.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
I think Die Hard is more of a Christmas movie. They met while Christmas shopping. I love.
The Viall Files
E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Okay. Well, Die Hard is set on a Christmas party. You're contradicting yourself.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Why did she fire them right after she got famous?
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
I feel like it should have been Glenn Powell.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
What is he doing? Everything. Pedro Pascal.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
She's only making headlines right now for yelling at people.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Listen, Chappell, her core fan base, they're going to ride or die for her. They'll always be there for her. Maybe she doesn't even want to go mainstream. I don't know. But if you do SNL, it implies you want to go mainstream.
The Viall Files
E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
And she crushed it. But if you want to go mainstream, you have to be mainstream. You can't
The Viall Files
E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Yeah. But again, but like most people have now heard of Chapel Roan for the first time, just hear her complaining about things, which is fine. But like, again, her core audience, they understand her plight and like what she's all about and yada, yada, yada. But like,
The Viall Files
E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
That's when he should have been. Well, sure, but to that point, what has John been up to?
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
record for them i'd be posting there's also an element of like you know i guess she wants her autonomy she can like quit make you know performing at any time but like there's a level of privilege and like a lot of people in terms of being famous and getting access to things and it's just whether she means it or not it can kind of come across as a bit entitled or ungrateful you know for some people see it that way you know like i love that she's like going against the machine so to speak but it's just more
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Quiet Place 1 just came out.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
But he's dead. He died in the Quiet Place 1.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Make her sexiest man alive.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Okay. Because he's a daddy. Well, I think he is a daddy.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Sure, but if your persona is to be kind of a bitch, then you can't complain if people start thinking you're a bitch.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
So her underparts aren't photographed.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Yeah.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
They released a cast of the upcoming Ultimatum.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
I've never seen it.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Oh, it's so good. It comes out December 9th. We'll definitely be covering this.
The Viall Files
E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Yeah.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
They had the queer ultimatum last year.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Iconic. He has kids. So he's. I got a crush on John Krasinski. She's hot.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
How many couples do they have? One, two, three, four, five, six.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
No, so these couples get together. It's as if love is blind kind of starts where at the honeymoon stage of the show.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
They find couples that allegedly have been together for a while. One of the people in the relationship are anxious and wanting to get engaged, to take the next step. And so they are proposing this ultimatum.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
So part of the experiment is to recouple with someone else. And then live with them for a couple weeks. Oh, just to see it. And then get back with their... So this is like wife swap.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Okay. I did hear that when he was filming Jack Ryan.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
It's pretty crazy. Yeah, it's like Temptation Island meets... In the queer ultimatum, they did have sex with each other. Wow.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Messy.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
It's not even a villain. He's just a bad guy. He's a villain now?
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
I don't want to... Villain in reality TV world is a label used for normal, good people who are a little sassy on camera. This guy is allegedly a predator who has a very dark past and a very scary history with women.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Different.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Jack Ryan, my bad. Similar.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Not if you're a Russian.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
What are we reaching? I don't know who was flying to who, but he was flying back like every week just to be with his family. A good man.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
I got to say, though, why are we even talking about this guy? You know, this is what he wants.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Yeah.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Why do you think he turned it on? I don't think he's an idiot.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Do you know they can create another account?
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Exactly. Oh, interesting. What is this? Shannon Bedore and John Jansen demand jury trials? Is this the first thing they're agreeing on?
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Can we get tickets?
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Can we?
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
I'm going to text Shannon and ask her.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Atlanta's not out yet.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
But Potomac, I hear it from multiple people.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Okay. All right.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Up next, we got Meghan McCain, formerly of The View. She's here to talk reality TV because the great unifier in this country is reality TV and all things Bravo. We saw her on Watch What Happens Live, and we are excited to hear her takes on all things Bravo. I think she's got a new Housewives pitch for us. We're excited to hear about that.
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But before we get to Meghan, it is now time for Vibes vs. Stats.
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Musicians. Benoist.
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Well, I mean, let's be honest. Don't be. Clearly.
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I was once in line at Larchmont behind her.
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I love Hate Ashbury. It's so fun.
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Ricky Persol, I don't know if I'm saying his last name right, plays for another Niners. I want to pick the 49ers. I think the 49ers too.
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I'll just take Seattle just for fun. That does it for Vibes vs. Stats. See if you guys can catch up. Alright, it's time for Megan McCain! Sundays is fresh dog food made from a short list of human grade ingredients.
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Yeah, we're excited to have you. Obviously, we saw you on Watch What Happens Live, and we're just like, we need to get Megan on to talk all things Bravo.
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I feel like we don't really talk politics. I try to I try to stay connected. But I also feel like in general, politics is like maybe the most craziest reality TV show out there. Would you agree or disagree on that?
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Yeah. Why don't we ever hear about the sex scandals? Why don't you hear about some sex scandals?
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Oh, yeah. What Bravo Housewives shows are you watching these days?
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And it's like and for this stupid joke, they kind of gave a window into like bullshitting scenes. Yeah. So that's it pissed me off so bad.
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We're on our wits end. Yes, we were saying this the other week. They seem like interesting people that I would definitely maybe want to be friends with because they don't seem as problematic. as some of the other housewives.
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I'd be afraid to be friends with some of the other housewives because it's like, I don't know what they're going to, you know, what bullshit rumors are going to start or anything like that because they're so messy. But like the ladies of Rony are just classy, unproblematic, you know, seem pretty kind people, but I don't know if I want to watch them.
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I thought it was Benny Blanco.
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I do want one year to People Magazine to be like, it's Eric Smith from Kansas City, Missouri. Oh, like real people? Just like a random.
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Yeah, I feel like we are... I think we're speaking for the people here. I feel like a lot of us are in tune with our take. It's just... It's like we all wanted to watch it. It's New York City. It's like, you know, a very iconic...
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Yeah, it's like you want, as a sports fan, you want your big iconic cities to have good teams because it's kind of like rooted in that. And it's like, so you want Roni to be successful, but it's just kind of like, meh. I heard, Megan, that you want to pitch for Bravo to bring back Real Housewives of D.C. Is that accurate?
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Are you able to like who would name drop any senators or congresspeople, regardless of the side of the aisle they're on, that you think would make either good housewives or good spouses of housewives?
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I don't know.
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What is he doing these days?
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He is on cameo.
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We liked her, too.
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I'm not watching Housewives for like good moral character. I'm looking at it to feel better about myself. Like, yeah, I don't, that's why it's like, I don't, I don't want good decisions. You know, I want petty who uninvited who to the trip. And yeah, and I want bad parallel parking. That was my favorite scene of this season.
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he thought if he said yes to her going on housewives that he wouldn't have to buy her another $5 million necklace. It was like a trade. And then now I think he's like, he's telling us he has to do like both.
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Like if I buy you this necklace, will you not go on next season?
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That's a great way to get your house. Yeah. Like that's like a whole thing now. Like every celebrity out there, there's always this new report about someone breaking into their house and stealing all their stuff. So I hope she has a good security system.
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Yeah. And I think it says a lot about Bronwyn because I think being on reality TV is the most high school environment you could find.
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find right like it's like every person who goes on reality tv this go into their who was i in high school and they kind of go back in that role and so like every new cast member on reality tv it's like there's always this initiation process there's always this kind of like do you belong here with the other cast members and that's clearly going on with lisa and heather
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in Salt Lake City and she is absolutely like crushing it. She's fitting right in. And I honestly think both Brittany and Brawyn, like honestly, they're two of the most compelling characters this season. Like I missed Brittany last episode when she, you know, I didn't miss Heather. Yeah. I was like, oh, okay.
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Or that or the part they were trying to plan another trip that was going to exclude Bronwyn on the trip that Bronwyn paid for. That was some mean girl shit.
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I feel like this is Angie's big coming out season.
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I read here, Megan, that you interned at SNL. I did.
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Who was the most engaging cast member?
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I am curious, though, like you grew up like in a political family. Like, do you have to engage with like obnoxious people who like know your name and make general assumptions about you? Like maybe like I feel like as reality TV stars, sometimes they have to deal with stuff like that. But how is that? How is that for you? And how do you navigate, you know, being known?
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Well, see, that's the thing. I think the difference between reality TV and politics, I think for the vast majority of people, they can disconnect. I think in the 10 years I've been in the public eye, I've had maybe less than five encounters where someone felt the need to be honest with how they felt about me.
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But for the most part, people just meet you and they're just excited and think they're meeting someone famous type of thing. Yeah. Once I was getting a massage, which was my own fault in public, and then some lady interrupted me and told me that she thought I was a terrible person. So that was fun.
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What does he mean by say no to ghosting? He stole five from Natalie. He did. He stole five from every. It was seven. From women.
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We say this all the time, especially with the housewives. I mean, they really, they really give a lot of themselves and it's, it's, it's, it's not for the faint of heart and it's not easy to do. And it does require some kind of, I don't know if it's skill or talent or just a willingness, but either way, it's not for everyone. That is for sure.
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I like it host something, but I don't think I would have. I mean, I did like special forces last season. And then that was like a really cool opportunity just because I could like test my endurance or just resilience and things like that. So, you know, I would never say never if it's opportunities like that, like maybe traders one day because traders is like a fun game of like who done it.
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And it's like not that serious, but like I would never do anything that like
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highlighted my i would never be the subject or like let people into my life that way because like you like there's a level of privacy that i'm just not willing to give up anymore i asked you on that special forces show too and i was like i can barely like work out at the gym like i'm not going on that show i'm embarrassing myself it was it was i i i recommend anyone who does it because it was still a crazy experience so i don't know i uh i'm glad i did it uh megan this has been so much fun can you let the people know where they can find you follow you all that fun stuff
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Yeah.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Yes, as are we. Well, thanks again, Megan. We appreciate you. And hopefully we'll talk again.
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Thank you, too.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
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She's like, this would make a great gift for Christmas. And I was like, great. I heard that. I clocked it. And then she's like, I bought it.
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We're not going to really cover it, you know, recap it today, because while we watched the episode, we didn't see the live finale. So we have Joan and Chalk on Tuesday's episode of Reality Recap. We'll be talking with the lovebirds there, and we'll be getting into the episode. If any shenanigans happen at the live, we'll talk about it there. But Congrats to them. I did think it was interesting.
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Recently, Pascal was interviewed by, was it Glamour or something?
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And he had some, I thought, interesting thoughts. In addition to him weirdly mentioning he wanted, if he were the Golden Bachelor, the show to cast younger women, which is just not something he should probably say in that role. But nevertheless, I did think he had some interesting thoughts in terms of casting people in each city. Colin, I love Love is Blind.
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Can you read it for me?
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And he's right. I mean, you can't, you can find 25 people in a city full of how many million? Just walk outside.
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Yeah. And it doesn't even have to be just Chicago. It could be like, you know, the surrounding area. So you could get like Milwaukee, you know, even parts of Iowa, you could cast from Iowa, Indiana, that just that general area would make it a lot easier.
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Yeah.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
I don't know. Maybe he's got some good points there. And who did he have to apologize? He's been just kind of running his mouth. Yeah.
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Why did he call Chalk a stalker?
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
You just got sold. Yeah. Yeah, I did. She created urgency.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
So Pascal will not be your next golden bachelor. Nope. Yeah. Kind of talked himself out of that role.
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What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Vow Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick. I got the household here, and John Krasinski is the sexiest man alive. Yes. Daddy of 2024.
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That's what it is. It's kind of fun. I kind of love it. I mean, perfect for bachelor golden bachelor in paradise.
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We think so. She made a cute little video. I want to see her video.
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Very cute. Very demure. Very mindful. Very mindful.
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And she was listening.
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It was kind of an infomercial for Scientology.
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It's like it's like you don't know it's misrepresented. Don't read the going clear, the going clear, which is the definitive literature on Natalie pointed out stories from victims of Scientology.
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Yeah. No.
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But it was a very fascinating element of her casting. And then they finally talk about it and it kind of just ends up being an infomercial.
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Low key suggested that, you know, it helped her build her hundred million dollar business.
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I know Jenna Lyons is, like, iconic and untouchable and cool, but, like, isn't it, like, the douchiest thing anyone can do wearing sunglasses inside?
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Well, she doesn't have eyelashes. But we can still recognize it as douchey.
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No, sunglasses inside.
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Transition lenses are the opposite of douchey. Those are brave people.
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You're brave if you wear transition lenses. That's the opposite of douchey.
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No, she wanted it now.
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Okay. And I haven't taken it off since. So it stopped being a Christmas gift. Got it. Okay. Now he will be like, should we open Christmas gifts today? How about tomorrow?
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Yeah, but kind of to your point, Mary, Brynn's the only one trying. Yeah, and the only reason it's coming across like that is because... You're making Brynn, like, lean into this bit because it's like, come on, everyone.
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The sexual part is like, Brynn has been shown to be a willing like she's been willing to participate in drama while most of her cast are not. Yeah. So she's out there constantly looking like the one starting drama and the silly drama. And it is. But no one's giving her anything to work with. Yeah.
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Well, there's different production companies producing different franchises and different shows. And I think it just kind of comes with... It all comes down to casting. I think any reality TV producer is going to tell you that they want the most authentic moments. They want to just show the real stuff. But sometimes...
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You know, even on The Bachelor, depending on casting, if you get a bunch of people who show up who are afraid to look bad and just want the Instagram followers and just want to just be like, hey, man, like it's your turn, you know, like then the producers have to start producing. They would love not to, but sometimes they're not giving a choice. So it really comes down to casting.
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Come December 15th, she will start asking if we should open a Christmas gift. Multiple days of Christmas.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
And it seems like they didn't cast for the right reasons.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Yeah, like. You know, Kyle Cook is willing to have Natalie come on the show and be like, fuck Kyle Cook, you know, because he is willing to just lean into who he is. He is messy and he he wants to just show you.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
And anything we say on the show isn't going to stop Kyle from being who he is. There's clearly too many people on reality TV who are listening to many podcasts and editing themselves.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
When you're pretending to get mad about your friend calling you a basic bitch.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Basic just means you're mainstream. Yeah, I don't think it's an insult.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Bring back Dubai. Just give me courtroom TV with Shannon Bedore.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
I think I could.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Anyways, that does it for us this episode of Reality Recap. Be sure to check out Garrett and Taylor from Love is Blind. This week's episode of Going Deeper dropped yesterday. It is a can't miss episode. Whether you watch Love or Blind is not, but certainly if you did, you will not want to miss this episode.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Plus, if you haven't listened to Tuesday's episode of Reality Recap, we had Ego from SNL on and we really got into Salt Lake City, Orange County. So be sure to check that out as well. We are back next week with Rowan. Can't wait for that. We are super excited to chat with her. All that and much, much more. We'll see you then. Bye.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
No, that's when some people do it. I definitely don't.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Yeah. Last year, I went Christmas shopping with Jojo Siwa. Oh, my God, you did? Wow.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
She just went with me.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
She advised you. I had my bachelor party, like, December of last year, and I won some money. So I came back with a wad of cash. Mm-hmm. So Nick hit Rodeo Drive with that wad of cash. I hit Rodeo Drive like a drug dealer. With JoJo? With JoJo.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Yeah, it was fun. You said like a drug dealer? Yeah, who else carries around wads of cash?
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Or was it like.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
It wasn't. Or liquid of some sort. It looked like oil. Not good for the skin, honestly.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Yeah. It's pretty cool.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Accidentally? Boring. Like you went and got a cavity checked and you're pregnant?
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Yeah. I see it. I feel like this is a good time to tell people that we actually saw Steve Carell at Gelson's a couple weeks ago. More like a month ago.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Question for you.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Well, or your husband. I'm curious. Because like, you know, when I found out, you know, I was like, oh, exciting, scary, whatever. And then there's like this weird, oh, well, nothing's really changed kind of thing at first because you're like, I guess we're pregnant. And then, you know, eventually you hear a heartbeat and things like that. But now that River is here.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
In my mind, I feel like River's been in my life since I opened that drawer. You know, like since I've heard her first heartbeat, like does that, do you feel the same way?
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
wait explain when I think about opening that drawer when Natalie put the pregnancy test in there and surprising me like all the time like and I think about moments of her pregnancy all the time and like I feel like River was a part of our family like I you know since I opened that drawer now that I've met River like my brain goes back in a way and like it's not like when River was born she was with us it was more when I she was like instead of seeing in my mind she was born in a drawer yeah like you open that drawer and you see River
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
You would think the opposite. You got to go analog. You can't just charge that back up? Yeah, you got to go analog, I guess.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Just, like, charge that puppy up. Exactly.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
This is the office guy, right? Yes, the office guy. Oh, Justin. Natalie Assam. And then we kind of kept walking past him like fans, but we didn't say hi. It was just like he was grocery shopping. It was so normal.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Honestly, yesterday I was like, you're 44.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Yeah, just by himself.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
you would do that no i wouldn't i wouldn't i wouldn't i was just joking no i would be like hi you would give him a look being like bitch and then you would realize it's a baby and be like oh i would say hi your gut reaction would be like you filthy i was the nice person at trader joe's when the baby came We're all laughing because we know it's true. No, it is not true.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Yeah, we did.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
No, but at the park, Natalie's definitely the youngest mom for sure.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
You know what I'm saying? It's true. It's not a measuring stick of society.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Yeah. Nicely done. Nice. Yeah. Anyways, thoughts on John Krasinski? We love.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
What?
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Who's Joan Didion?
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
Feminist.
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E841 - People’s Sexiest Man Alive, RHONY Canceled, Golden Bachelorette Finale & Housewives w/ Meghan McCain
I don't know every famous person.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Regardless of how messy Carolina is, like, prioritizing your time with the lead while other people are prioritizing how much time someone else got. Like, I'll always side with the person prioritizing themselves.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Super excited about it. Heather McDonald will be joining us briefly to get into all sorts of headlines. We'll talk a little Bev Hills Housewives with her. And then we have Mark Wahlberg, the more famous Mark Wahlberg from the hit show Temptation Island that just debuted yesterday on Netflix.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And Dina, like, for someone who went as far as Dina did, who didn't even, as we now, you know, now Dina has admitted that it was her who didn't allow her family to come. Like, I don't know if Dina's protecting her family, falling on the sword, or maybe that's the truth, but like she's top four.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
She decided not to bring her family and she's wasting, she's spending most of her time talking about the actions of Carolina. You know, it's just like, you could do that. That's one move, but it's, it's this kind of a loser mentality.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I see Leah's point. What are these bachelorette rumors? Are they still going and flowing around? I see Leah's point, too, and I don't know where she is.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
She could have been messy, but she was teasing. Both are true, but her intention, I don't think her big priority was giving ABC a solid. You know?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And listening to the way you're describing that, if you would have, without names, being like, who said this in this way? I would have been like, oh, that's so Carolina.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
You know what I'm saying? Because that's giving messy. To do one thing that's so obvious and then pretend that you have no idea what they're talking about.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
You know?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
The lawyer, Dina. Come on, Dina. Right.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
No, but that's the thing. That's the producer. You know, that's the crowd.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah. There's also editing in that, too. They do, like, fake applauses for those types of shows. And then they insert the applause and the boos whenever they want, the facial expressions. America's Got Talent does this, too.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Why have we been sleeping on the show? Is it just like it hasn't had a proper home? I didn't even realize it was on Peacock.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Are there people still speculating on who was supposed to be the Bachelorette? Or is that old news?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I'm fairly confident that last part's not true. I know one of the people they were seriously looking at
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Cool. Solved it.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
We're not going to tell you.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
You can guess. But it would have been awesome. It would have been amazing. It was from an older season. And when I found out, I was really disappointed they decided not to move forward with it.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
You want to guess?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
We can still guess.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Like you want us to like not. Well, we'll all see things about it. Heather McDonald is here and up next. Let's face it, grocery shopping for your kids these days often feels like you're swimming through a sea of not-so-great options, and we certainly know the feeling now that we have our beautiful baby river at home. Well, you can shop with peace of mind with the good people from Thrive Market.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
It was. I think there was just too much. I was on.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Welcome back. How are you?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah, I had so much fun chatting with you.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I think you forget about it.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah. But in this case, for example, James Kennedy, I'll use a perfect example. After, you know, when when we saw each other at Kathy Hilton's party, we saw we saw James. We talked to him. Then we found out that he got arrested and I blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was very critical of James. Like, I didn't think to myself, oh, I still follow James Kennedy.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
It was brought to my attention, though. And I was like, why do I follow James Kennedy? And then I unfollowed him because like, I don't want to follow this piece of shit. I don't want anyone. That's fine. I think I don't want people to think that I want to associate myself with him. I don't think just because you follow someone, it doesn't necessarily means that.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
But for me personally, I was more like, you know what? I don't want to follow him. It was brought to my attention. So I'm just going to unfollow the guy.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah, I don't know. I'm optimistic. I hope that it blows up. For some reason, I feel like with Peacock, things can get sometimes lost in the shuffle. Not that Netflix doesn't have what seems to be like an unlimited inventory of shows and TV shows, but their reality love competition shows seem to always perform on some level.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
But you're allowed to unfollow people.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Also like everyone around that area. Like everyone knows. But hanging out for 30 minutes. Everyone's talking about them. You know, for him to change to act like he didn't know who they were. So then why did you want a picture with them? Everyone around them, I'm sure was pointing. Oh my God, that's the Tate brothers.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Why does Jax still have access to their son?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I mean, if he has an admitted cocaine problem, I think that would that would justify a removal or if nothing else to have like.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Here's my question. And I love the Valley as a fan. But man, it's like these reports of Jax always seem to pop up right around the time that the Valley is about to premiere. And it's just like, man, are these people using their just terribly toxic lives? And we're a child's involved in this really grotesque story. And it's really unfortunate and sad to promote the Valley.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Sure, yeah.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Oh, yeah.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
But like, it is, it is so good.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
It's been around for almost, I mean, as long as The Bachelor was around. And most people like have just been like, like myself have been sleeping on it.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And we talk about it a little bit.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
There wasn't really.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
It was more bachelor alumni. That's what I'm saying. But talking about the bachelor. Yeah. I mean, like any bachelor person who had a podcast on some level, you know, you kind of, you play your hits, so to speak, right? You know, you play, you talk about, you know, what works and then it's very hard to like grow outside of it. Now let's talk about wellness, you know.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah, but I guess to that point is those people did move on, whoever they are or they live in their lives.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
His name's Grant. Yeah. Yeah.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
This is different TV shows.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
They're the same age. I think we just got older.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
You watched the first season?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
You team Dorit, team Kyle. Oh, so I watched it last night. You watched it. Can you explain to me why we're still talking about Kyle and Mo's divorce? Because honestly, I don't give a fuck anymore.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Last night, like real time?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Because I can never really tell when it's airing. And it's like, was this six months ago?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Anyways, it's out on Netflix. It came out Wednesday, yesterday. I think all 10 episodes are out. So they're not releasing it in batches or anything like that. So binge over the weekend because we'll be talking about it next week. It's a... Pretty juicy. And we'll also be talking about it later this episode. We're interviewing its host, Mark Wahlberg. And by the way, very impressed with Mark.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I understand. But like the agency, like, I don't know, they do billions of dollars of sales worldwide. You would see it. You would think the CEO of that company is doing pretty, pretty good for himself. But maybe that's not the case.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I really don't know.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah, but he's the CEO of this massive company. Right, so I'm just saying it's just like a churning thing. He's the founder and CEO. He's the founder and CEO.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
He might be over leveraged.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
So maybe they're not getting divorced because there's no prenup. And it's just more like, hey, please don't divorce me because then we'd have to split a bunch of assets and it would just be too complicated. And maybe they're disagreeing to stay together and then keeping the storyline going.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
That's fine. I guess I don't go.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Do you care? Get along. Because I don't.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
No. I don't care.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I think.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I think they're more than friends.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I don't know what that means.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Morgan said Kyle stalked her. That's what I'm saying.
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I'm sorry.
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That's fair.
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This man is actually listening. He gives good advice. He gives good advice.
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pronounce his name correctly so Mauricio she's like what does she call him I also think it's weird that nobody called him Mo like the first seven seasons of the show and now they all do we found out last night episode that he's Mexican you just found that out he's a Mexican Jew did not know that I guess the last name yeah kind of threw me off what did you think the accent was I don't I don't know yeah I guess it was the last name I thought it was more I felt like Russian or something yeah yeah yeah
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You know?
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Are we team Dorit?
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How do we feel about that?
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It's great. As someone who someday would love to host some sort of rally TV competition show.
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He's like the opposite of Mo.
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I mean, he's living in an apartment, you know? It's not like he's Boyd George's manager. I, for the love of God, don't know where he's getting all this money, you know?
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Well, sure. But also it's just like, you know, I love giving advice, the Ask Nick element. But like the truth is, like, for example, Bachelor, like partly it's just like, I don't know. You know, it's like a chicken before the egg question. Like, does the show not allow it because they don't want to make the host more of a part of the show?
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Well, at least the theory about him wanting to divorce her for this 10-year benchmark, I think... She has got to go get a hot... I want to see her date.
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Or is it just like the hosts aren't capable, so they don't ask the host to do it kind of question? Right. You know, and, um, Mark Wahlberg certainly seems capable. Um, and, and they, I love to see how they utilize them. It's not even that, it's not like it's a whole part of the show. It's just like when he does talk to him, he's actually saying things.
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I still think Bronwyn's one of the more real ones.
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She's one of the few housewives in the entire franchise that can just even acknowledge that maybe she was wrong.
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Was it like historically with Jesse and Chris, it was always like, you know, tell me about your feelings and be like, all right, well, good luck. You know, like throw them to the wall. That was like, well, what, what the fuck? Uh-huh. Like, I thought you were going to help me out here. Like, I thought you were going to offer me some guidance. That never really happens on The Bachelor.
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Soaps don't pay anymore, you know?
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15 bucks an hour versus $50,000 a month. But I also feel like...
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Whatever you think about OnlyFans, I don't think that's going to stop her from having the opportunity if she wants to pursue acting.
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Do you know Denise that well?
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She could be so out of touch. And there are so many housewives. Beverly Hills are probably maybe the most. Yeah. where they act very out of touch. They've act very Hollywood elite. And then you have Denise Richards, who is one of the most famous housewives with a pedigree that most don't have. Most of the housewives are just famous as housewives. And the fact that Denise is so down to earth,
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And so cool. And her ex-husband's Charlie fucking Sheen. And I just I have so much respect for her because she can be crazy, Denise, and say her like, don't call your sister a dude. You know, perfect. Don't call your sister a dude. And then she has such a big heart and she's so down to earth. And I think it says so much about who she is. And I love her so much.
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But anyways, check out Temptation Island if you haven't already. Tell All was last night. Also coming up in this episode, Sarah from Love is Blind. We have some burning questions for Sarah. Like, did they really talk about whether they were going to say I do or I don't before they actually got to the altar? Is she dating Joey?
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speculation online about a potential budding romance between her and joey who if you haven't seen have you seen this i was scared to click it this morning uh turns out joey from love is blind minnesota auditioned for the bachelor um and it's and that's like out there publicly I don't know where this got found out. Yeah.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Oh, it's like cancel culture.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Check it out. Thank you, Heather. Well, thank you to Heather McDonald. Up next, we have the host of Temptation Island, a show that now is available for all on Netflix. It's had quite a run. We talked about it on the episode from Fox to USA to Peacock and now Netflix.
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And I really hope it's found its home because this show, if you like reality TV love competition shows, this is as dramatic as anyone you'll ever have seen. So join us. But right now, it's Mark Wahlberg.
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I guess. And then, you guys maybe saw this, but I finally got to see Ben, his YouTube business card.
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Why do people have business cards? It's rough.
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Head to functionhealth.com slash V-I-A-L-L or enter code V-I-A-L-L when signing up to skip the waitlist. What's up, everybody? Mark, how's it going, man?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
So Mark was supposed to be in studio. He's a little under the weather. He spared us his germs. We appreciate that, though. No one wants to get sick. It's thoughtful of you.
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Good for you. It's awesome.
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That's amazing. Congratulations. And I hope that you, as the, you know, later, maybe in a couple of weeks, you can come back, maybe as the people are watching. I got to say, Mark, I started watching. I've seen the first two episodes of this season. You've seen more than me. Okay. Well, I have not watched Temptation Island since my sophomore year of college.
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When were business cards popping?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And that was season one when it was... Like what year? Fox, like 2001. Was that...
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Yeah. When it was like on Fox.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah. The original. I was like all in.
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Look at this business card.
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It looks like he's selling houses. It's a form of professionalism.
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Yeah.
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It's a really good show, man. I was really excited to see that Netflix picked it up. It's obviously bounced around. I didn't even realize it was on Peacock at the time.
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Yeah, USA.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. They're, they're a behemoth and I'm very, I'm very optimistic and very hopeful, Mark, that this, that, that people stop sleeping on this show because I myself have been sleeping on it. If you like Love Island and, I mean, it really honestly seems like Temptation Island, to your point, when you watch this show, it's just like, oh, so this is where Perfect Match got this idea.
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QR codes? Linktree.
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This is where Love Island got Movie Night idea. I mean, you guys really are an OG show. You've been around for a long time. You've been on and off the air, but like it really is the same blueprint with you, the original host. And I'm really hoping that Temptation Island has finally found its home in Netflix and that people, it has this like viral revolution because damn, it's excellent television.
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I mean, it's so good. And may I say, Mark, since I'm kissing your ass right now. Kiss away. What a breath of fresh air you are as a host.
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And like you're you're you're listening to what they're saying. You're giving earnest advice like on The Bachelor. It's like they have these fake sit downs with the host and it's just like they're opening up about all their problems and they get like a pat on the back and like, well, good luck. I hope you don't fuck up your life. And you are, you know, like. Have you always been that way?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
First of all, the advice that you give is sound and good and thoughtful. How did that become a part of the show? Is that something you've always enjoyed doing? I'm like, I'm myself. I love to give advice and things like that. And it's part of the show. But sometimes with these types of shows, it's like the host isn't the focal point type of thing. You kind of have to balance that out.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
So how did it all come to be where you're sitting down and really being a voice of wisdom. You care about these people, and it's evident in watching.
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Our show is
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
But the link tree is in your bio. So real estate agents and OnlyFans models are using link tree?
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Yeah, well, how much you care is evident. And, you know, I'm curious watching it and I'm excited to see the rest of the episodes. But obviously the premise of the show has a very kind of scandalous kind of taboo element to it where people are, you know, come in and relationships are dating other people. But at the same time, do you believe like it?
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It almost seems like, you know, outside of the scandalous element of the show that you believe a lot of these people get the clarity that they need, whether that's clarity about this relationship or staying in the relationship they came in with isn't serving them as well as maybe discovering that grass is, you know, maybe greener on the other side.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
If you were to kill me, how would you kill me?
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But yeah, you seem to, despite, you know, the juicy, scandalous sex scene, sexual element of the show, you bring that heartfelt element to the show where it almost balances out the kind of salaciousness of the premise of the show.
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And would you reach out to an incarcerated inmate?
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How quickly have you seen people break their rules or maybe they don't have rules and act out physically with a tempter or temptress? What do you call the people not in relationships?
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So yeah, how quickly have you seen it? Or can we expect this season, how much switching teams can we expect?
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Okay.
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Not like a good plan, right?
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That's awesome. What can people expect differently, if anything at all, now that it's on Netflix versus when it was maybe airing in previous places?
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Yeah, let's go buy some rat poison.
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Yeah, but like, yeah, at the guy's villa, it's a party with all the temptresses and at the women's villa. Yeah, it's like a therapy session for all the girls to basically just talk about their shitty boyfriends.
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The host? Who is this person, Justin?
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Ghost Adventures?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
What I was kind of like surprised by when I was watching episode two, where you, you know, you start getting into the relationship dynamics and things like that. And the men and women separate. So much of the show talks about the physicality of these relationships and will they, won't they get physical with, with someone else. But another element is how much shit talking.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
these people in these relationships seem to do about each other and not to downplay a physical like violation, but to me, like it's just, it's more, I, I, I don't know. Honestly, I think there's a world where I would rather have my partner do something physically, um,
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and us work through that rather than, you know, here's someone just talk some mad shit about my character or what I do to some stranger or someone also trying to date my girlfriend or whatever. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, to me, that's such a violation.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Right. Yeah. It's not that hard. I mean, come on. Yeah.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
She wasn't allegedly arrested. She was arrested.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
It is. Mark, this has been so much fun chatting with you about the show. I hope you get an opportunity to feel better and come in and chat with us in studio. But excited to see how this show performs on Netflix because I'm really excited about its potential. Really enjoying the first two episodes and excited to see what's to come.
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We appreciate you, man. You're, you're a legend and love what you do, man. And, uh, it's just, it's refreshing to see a host. Uh, and I understand that not every host gets the opportunity, but like you can tell you give a shit and I think it makes it so much better. Um, and you connect with, uh, the audience. Yeah. So I, I appreciate you and what you do, man. It's been fun talking to you.
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Right back at you, man. Appreciate you as well. And we'll talk soon.
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I love this show. I really hope it's a huge hit.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah. Do you imagine?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah, like, first of all, this temptress is someone who, like, everyone knows is potentially interested in dating him. Let alone, like, just, could you imagine Connor going to work and just critiquing your performance? Or your appetite for sex?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Well, I mean, how much are they showing, too? You know, like, the producing side, you know, granted... They know enough. You know, like, with Heather, we were joking about, oh, I heard you're talking shit about Nick, and it's like, did you listen to the podcast?
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And, like, it's always, like, some... You know, like, in the producers, when they're showing at the bonfires, the clips, it could definitely be, like, you know, six seconds of an 18-second, you know, soundbite, and those six seconds really...
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
No, before that, he was like, she's unreal. No, she's insane.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Insane? That was... Y'all, it's a crazy show. He might... Taylor... Is it Taylor's the guy?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Tyler's the guy? Yeah. He seems just... He's giving Tom Sandoval. In the sense that we're like, he's just... He's a little too...
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
dense to realize that saying oh she's insane looking and calling her dear like it doesn't register with his brain that that would be something that his girlfriend would not want to hear like he's like he's too dense to you he's like oh i'm i'm sorry yeah also dear is so like 17th century now i'm like are we still calling people dear in today's society yeah it was interesting that like it wasn't like thank you baby you know like do you think the drama with logan is like fabricated
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
This sounds like the movie Terrible Bosses, where they're like, who do you find to kill someone? So they went to where they thought criminals would be.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Oh, they sound actually more toxic than any couple.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
She's almost kind of implying that he's just like a really shitty boyfriend and treats her really bad.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
They get to know their point of view and, like, their feelings. And I really like that. Yeah, because it humanizes them and doesn't, like, because at first they come out in abs and bikinis. It's awesome.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
you know and they're everyone is sexy and so the you know everyone you know you assume that like they're just kind of douchey and and they're just you know throw you know leading with their bodies and whatever sexual one-liners my guilty pleasure is sucking dick yeah that was a line that was no innuendo
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Girl, don't feel guilty.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Well, all the episodes are out. We've only watched the first two. I don't know what you guys have planned this weekend, but we highly recommend you guys checking out Temptation Island on Netflix. We will be watching it and talking a little bit about it next week because we're hoping you guys watch it because we love it and hoping you guys join along.
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Even they love Island intros. Like all the girls are like, I'm like, okay, girl, get your dance out. And the guys come out and they're like jiggling. And I'm like, no, please stop. You're not allowed to have fun. Don't do that.
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Just stand there and look bored and grumpy.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
You know, that's all you can do is a guy. But like, yeah. And I do feel like at first the women are at a disadvantage because like men are simple and stupid and like, you know, hot, good looking men. All they have to do. is like move the wrong way or open their mouth and say something and it's like an immediate ick.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And like guys, it's like you can annoy the fuck out of us beyond belief, but if them titties are out, like we... Whatever you say.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
No, I get it. I guess what is the going, right?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
sure yeah you're like love love your personality like oh my god i i'm just saying like you know you're looking at some cities no but if the titties are looking at you the cities are looking at you no none but i'm saying on on temptation i think sarah from love is blind sarah from love is blind is here uh and we have some questions hi sarah how's it going how are you We're good. How are you?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
How's your heart?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
We're here to serve, Sarah.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
anything you want to talk about or just in general, is it show related or?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
What's been the most difficult part about this experience?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
You know, there's obviously been a lot of talk about your relationship with Ben, you know, why you guys broke up and things like that. I thought it was a very interesting storyline just because, you know, obviously the times that we live in and things like that and a lot of strong opinions on both sides of things. But ultimately, you and Ben met in the pods, got to know each other.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
What was it about time outside of the pods that really made you feel like he couldn't get to a place that you needed him to go? Cause it, you know, it, it, it did seem like he was open-minded. He may not be where you're at, but he seemed open-minded. Um, and I guess what was the big disconnect for you that ultimately caused you to say, this isn't my guy?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And why do you, when you say who he is, who do you think he is? Like, what do you mean by that?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Interesting. Uh, what did you make of his YouTube business card?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Did you confront Ben about it at least?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Did you bring it up to him after, after the wedding and before Nashville?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Has he spoken? I mean, do you know any more than we know as it relates to like Ben's version of this business card? Because it's a really weird look to be a guy who's not really that much on YouTube to be handing out this business card with people he has a night of passion with.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
What is your opinion on Madison? She seems fairly toxic from just a viewer's point of view and seems to be pretty dead set on trying to make anyone that she was involved with on this show look bad. Like, is that a fair criticism or do you think she's being unfairly represented by the edit?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
You know who also was arrested?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Former bachelorette. What's her name?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah. Who? Well, she was a bachelorette a long time ago.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
In the battle between Madison and the other two men, whose character would you trust a little bit more? I guess I'm curious.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I think you've said enough. And you don't have to answer this either. But there's some speculation that you might be hanging out with Joey.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Okay, yeah. And is there any truth to it or...
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I guess. What happened, Leo?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
But you're also definitely not dating.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Can we say we definitely won't be dating in the future?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Have you seen his bachelor audition tape?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah, it seems like maybe Joey and Ben had a bit of an interest of being in the limelight prior to Love is Blind. I mean, in Bachelor World, we might say they were there for the wrong reasons, given some of this previous content. Or maybe they're just goofy gals, you know?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Could both things be true? And like, couldn't he be nervous about, you know, a reunion, not having done something like that before, knowing it's going to be recorded on national television, knowing it's going to be picked apart, knowing that majority of the audience are women.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Zach Bryan has a new girlfriend.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Like, couldn't it be fair for him to want to get advice or take the advice from previous people without making his desire to be on the same page with you insincere? Like, can't they both be true?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Knowing that you did not confront Ben about the business card, I actually understand your point of view better now because it's like all you had was this like business card and this like accusation and you, you know,
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
almost felt silly didn't want to bring it up then you didn't bring it up then almost felt unfair to bring it up now but you still knew about in the back of your mind and that that kind of gave a very insincere i'm assuming impression of ben so it makes me understand your point of view better but i guess you know to nally's question in mind like now that the dust has settled so to speak
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Like, do you slightly regret coming for him? Or based on what you know now, putting everything together, does your gut tell you that your instincts were more right? Or was it maybe just like, you know, you guys were all just kind of caught up in this machine that is love is blind in the reunion? Like, which one do you think is more accurate now that the dust has settled?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Did he tag her?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Okay. That's valid. That's fair. Okay. Any other questions for our girl?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Stay out of the comments.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah, get offline and get outside. That's my advice. People are very, I'm sure it feels heavy right now. When I, my first time on The Bachelor, I was, I don't know if you know anything about it, but I was very much the villain. And online, I was public enemy number one. And there wasn't anyone else to shit on. It was... Just me.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And when I went outside, I was treated like a rock star and everyone loved me and everyone wanted to take pictures and everyone was super nice outside. And online, they were very different. But the real world is what matters and online is just people who don't have the guts to say something to your face. And they go away and they come back. It's not real. Get outside. That's our advice.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Well, we know where they met. Definitely on Raya. Yeah. Yeah. Not on the beach?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And I'm sure if anyone recognizes you, I promise you they'll be very nice.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
If you're looking for validation online, you will only find pain. I promise you.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
So I would, yeah, I would, I would, I would stay off, uh, offline for the most part for the next month or so. Enjoy the real world. It's pretty good out there.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
You know, she's from Australia.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And it's warming up in Minnesota. So, you know, or Nashville, wherever you are.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
All right, Sarah, I appreciate you taking the time. Best of luck in the future. And thanks for answering our questions.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
No worries. All right. Take care. Bye.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
All right. Bye.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
all right you know that i do understand where she came from knowing that she didn't confront ben about the business card i was probably just eating her alive and she just like wanted to ask him about it but she wanted to she wanted to be nice and look out for him yeah i get it i get it she there's something fishy about madison they're all afraid of her they don't want to answer the question they all clearly think she's toxic and they don't want to say something
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
wrap it up for this episode. Just want to give a special thank you to all of our audience members. You guys are also part of the household. It's been 900 episodes. I always, every time we have one of these kind of, I don't know what you call it, but monumental episodes, it certainly reminds me of our first couple ones. We've come a long way.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And I know a lot of you have been with us from the beginning. And whenever you guys joined us, we're happy to have you a part of the family and part of the household. And we hope to be with you for 900 more. Thank you to our guests, Heather McDonald, Mark Wahlberg, and Sarah from Love is Blind. Also, be sure to check out our Going Deeper episode with Emmy and Will from Southern Hospitality.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
It's definitely a doozy. If you're not watching the show, you should check it out. It's like a new Vanderpump. And if you aren't watching the show, it's still a very juicy reality TV episode of a lot of behind the scenes and a lot of real talk about what it's like to be on an ensemble cast and trying to live your life as well. So be sure to check that out. We'll see you next week. Bye.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah, he's like, in town.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah, in your city. I mean, fast, moving fast. Do you think she, like, what's her state of mind, do you think, going in?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
But what happens when he needs to be inspired?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
But don't you mean for a rock? I mean, six months isn't it's a decent amount of time. But for like a rock star who just got out of a very public breakup, it it it really is giving moving on incredibly fast.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Six months. But a post him posting it, you know, like he could be he doesn't give a fuck.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
There's a difference between hiding it and posting and tagging her. You know what I'm saying? There's a difference between like making sure we never are seen together versus being like, in case you need to find my new girlfriend, tag. You know, like it's an aggressive move.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. Happy 900. Didn't know that it was our 900th episode when I woke up today. You didn't? Nope. No idea. I did. I did not. Yay for us, 900 episodes. That's crazy, 900 episodes. That's crazy when I say another exciting episode of The Vov Vowsing. We do have a jam-packed episode for you today.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I mean as a rock star he could be a rock country country well I hear he takes offense to that but as a good he wasn't right at the day of the breakup so yeah he definitely doesn't give a fuck but it's like it's and I think Brianna's been like seen with guys and she was like making out with West and wherever the fuck that was allegedly
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Exactly. I think they're both kind of true because I think Carolina is clearly messy. Yeah. I mean, she just is. Like, everything about what she does seems to be messy and a little bit dramatic. And she seems to be easily, like, position herself as a victim. That being said, like, Leia is right, though.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
But we know she said something. We know she started it.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
What's that? Oh, yeah. Well, Bachelorette is canceled.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
That too.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
All because of this feud.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I find that highly unbelievable.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
It's February. Listen, anything's possible, but it would be the first time in my experience with this franchise of over a decade that they would have selected a Bachelorette this early. If they're gonna pick a Bachelorette from the most current season, They let the season play out. They find out who the fan favorites are. They see what people think.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
They wait certainly until like Women Tell All taping to get a sense of like who the fan favorites are.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Sure, I understand that. But like they also, you know, there's no reason at this point to like make a selection. Have they had conversations with a handful of the women to see if they would be interested? Probably, possibly. That could be five or six. I do believe that maybe a conversation was had with one of the women
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
And that person went around telling everyone they were asked to be the bachelorette and then found out because that happens all the time. But I think it's crazy that they are putting it on pause.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
That's interesting.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Bash Red is usually two.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
So what's interesting is that Rob Mills who runs Unscripted for ABC he's also in charge of Hulu and Disney Plus. So he's kind of in charge of all of them and there's just a lot of Symmetry or synergy or whatever. Thank you, Mary.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Cross-contamination. That is how it feels. Of course. And I think they're still trying to figure it out, but Rob Mills would be the person to decide to put Bachelorette on pause. And I think he has the, you know, right now, like during Grant season, right? They're re-airing season one of Mormon Wives following The Bachelor. Yes.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
which like sometimes when strikes have happened and things like that, they've like aired like Showtime shows on CBS because they're owned by the same entities, you know, things like that. Or so maybe they're trying out more than wives on ABC to see how it does on the network television, but it is scheduled to be released on Hulu only, but it's still possible. I could see it possible that, uh,
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
ABC also has it as well. There might be like contractual obligations between who gets what first. Obviously with Bachelor ABC, they air it on Monday nights and then like the next day it's available on Hulu. So it'll be interesting, but that's definitely possible. I don't know why they felt like they had to do one or the other. Like there's five days in a week.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
When you say treated like a dog.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
This is a lie.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Nick? Let's really paint an accurate picture.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
No, thanks.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Every night, I shut down the house.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
95% of the time, I cover it all, which is a handful of errands, including getting her water.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Whose kink was that? His or hers?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Which she can't seem to do on her own before she goes to bed.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
It's not a job. No. If everything is my job, then it's never an act of love.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Once a month.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I also took out the, it was garbage day the next day, so I had to take out the garbage the night before.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I had to put shoes on for that.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Yeah.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I had to go back and forth a few times because Nellie had various requests.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I don't even remember, but there were too many.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Shut this, grab that. She's just barking out orders. She doesn't remember. Finally, I get in bed. Before you got in bed. I could get in bed every night and just go to bed and just close my eyes and dream about my family.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Defying gravity and time.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
And Natalie wants to watch TV. Natalie couldn't find the remote. I could give a fuck if we watched TV. I'm ready for bed.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Whenever y'all are ready for the truth. I didn't need to watch TV. And now he's like, I can't find the remote. Can you go in the living room and grab that remote? I'm like, absolutely not. No. I put my foot down because it was just like, I'm always getting out of bed. And this one time I was like, if you want the remote, go get the remote.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Because every once in a while, a request sounds like an order. Sorry. I'm just kidding. Whatever. You know what?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Talk your shit. That was a good snort.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
OK. Did you enjoy it?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Hop in bed so I don't do shit.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Well past my bedtime.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
What was River doing?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Then I turn on ambient noises. to the loudest volume and we're both like get out of bed no you get out of bed no you get out of bed you guys sound like the stepbrothers scene where it's just like I'm gonna hit you with bricks that's literally that's exactly what it was and then she it was even more annoying than reading loud then she was reading with a whisper for 20 minutes
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Because after a while, the ambient music that I was playing just to drown her out, I had thought she stopped. And then I turned on the ambient music only for her to hear... Oh, you're still going.
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It's not my job.
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Who's at fault though?
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Just to play devil's advocate.
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What if the driver thought that the homeowner had ordered something that was helping clean up or fight the rubble?
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We love it.
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Let's still investigate. I had a package. My house burnt down. You left it.
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Well, it probably was the employee's fault. It definitely was.
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How much do you have to be overworked to see a house that no longer exists? That's the thing.
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Why?
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Damn. Damn.
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Why do you think, Nick? Are you Gen Z, Leah?
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I think there are a lot of gentle parents out there.
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And bosses aren't gentle parenting. And I think while not all Gen Z employees are like that, I do think overall my interpretation is Gen Z expects less of themselves. But I do think there's a heightened increase in general. Maybe not across the border or with everyone.
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She definitely is. So like then then I'm curious is maybe does she owe Austin an apology? I get that there's nothing more irritating than people who aren't used talking about your life and acting like they know more about you than you. But if they get it right. Well, Austin basically like like a week ago or so something like that tweeted out or commented on. Watch What Happens Live.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Watch What Happens Live. And basically said, like, the rumors about Paige moving on with her life aren't rumors. Yeah. And here she is.
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Holding hands with this guy. And then, I don't know, like, the internet slews. Apparently, like, Paige took a selfie in what looks like a bedroom. There's a bed behind her. Maybe it was a hotel room. And apparently, this is her new man's man purse in the background.
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I'm a little surprised that Paige is dating someone who wears a man purse.
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Okay. Either way, Paige seems like she wants us talking about her. I mean, she's not hiding it.
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It's not subtle. And she has the right to date, but people are going to have their opinions, especially when Craig has a broken heart.
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Maybe it's Paige's new man.
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Yeah. Could be a pediatrician.
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Was there a man purse also in the background of that photo?
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That man has the size of Craig. Can that be Craig from the back?
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You're right. Paige isn't that tall.
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And those clothes do look very baggy on him. He's drowning in it.
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I mean, I'm with you in the sense that I think they're professionals. I don't think it's as subtle as they think it is. I think maybe it's more subtle for other people. But I mean, it's just a very popular show. I don't think they're like desperately doing it. I just think they're doing it because they know how to keep the people interested.
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You know, I mean, I want to see how Jen Affleck and Zach, how they went from...
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I don't know what was true or where they were leaning in, but that looked like a really broken relationship when we had Jen come in. She called her husband a narcissist.
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I don't know. I don't know any about the thing about that. I do know she was sitting right there on that couch. And I was like, do you think your husband's a narcissist? And she was like, yeah, totally.
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Like that would pop up. Why haven't they got that? That's true. Well, we do have Love is Blind Minnesota debuting Minneapolis debuts tomorrow. So we'll start covering that next week. We'll do the first three episodes on Tuesday and then the rest of the batch on Wednesday. So if you're following along with us, be sure to watch that this weekend. Up next, we have Kelly O'Hara.
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You may know her from the Olympic women's soccer team. Also, she had an appearance on Ben Higgins season of The Bachelor. She and her fellow co-star made an appearance hosting a soccer date. Anyway, she's with us to talk a little Housewives of Beverly Hills.
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Co-star. Her teammate? Co-star? They're all stars. Everyone's a star. Anyway, she's up next to talk about Beverly Hills Housewives Traders. And then later on, along with Kelly, Boston Rob's going to zoom in to give us a little bit more of the tea.
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I gotta say, Rob.
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He really is a reality TV star by the truest sense of the words. Up next, Kelly O'Hara.
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So it's not a cucking?
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Well, you were giving a review.
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If you haven't seen it by now, you don't get to call dibs on a movie. It's been a minute. It's been a minute.
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Thank you.
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Are we ready?
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Thank you.
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Yeah. I just like, for me, Garcelle, like playing therapist, like trying to cycle. With a therapist? Yeah. With a therapist, trying to cycle analyze her.
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Because like if I were to play a therapist, like just out of, just as a guest, like it wouldn't surprise me at all if like, you know, don't know a lot of background about Sutton's like upbringing, but it seemed like her dad was struggling with some mental health issues. Yes. And some substance issues and things like that. And it sounded like a man, as a Sutton reference, was sick.
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Wouldn't surprise me at all if maybe like, her mom covered for her dad a lot and a lot of issues and maybe covered for him in ways that maybe like protected his memory. And, you know, who knows? That's definitely a possibility. And when like Sutton's mom was like, you're speaking on things you know nothing about, it really kind of gave that energy of us.
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Like, I'm sure Sutton has her opinion and she has her lived experience and she has her feelings, but her mom has her own as well. And I think often our kids grow up and they have a perception of a reality that may not be
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reality itself and I don't know like maybe maybe that's a scenario where like because Sutton clearly has this adoration for her father who's passed and this clear resentment for her mother and kind of opened up or she kind of low-key you know when she was like there was a gun in the house and blah blah blah like it was giving blame a little bit and I feel for Sutton and I'm glad she could open up about that but like clearly this was heavy and again knowing all this for Seth Carsell to walk in there and start being like we just met
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Let me tell you what you're doing wrong as a mother.
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If I were to call out a mom for her, I would want to know exactly what I'm dealing with.
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Yeah.
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So anyways, used to live there.
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There's no way they didn't bring it up.
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I don't know.
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Deep blue and ghosts.
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That's what they say.
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Can you bring back your Georgia accent?
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I didn't mean to offend you.
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Him buying bees is.
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But that's like that's a move in the chessboard. You know, he was like, I'm going to buy these bees.
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I mean, like, I think that was like that was like a like a passive aggressive move by Craig to be like towards Paige. Yeah. Like to be like, I am settling down. It's like, well, you won't if we're not ready to get engaged either way. I'm I'm buying something that I have to nurture and take care of.
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They need TLC.
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Right, right. I think honestly, Paige, that was kind of like at that moment. Like, absolutely not.
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Like, I wonder if honey at this point is triggering for her.
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Listen, I think people have the right to break up. They do. They have the right to move on. Well, I mean, you know, when it comes to public figure breakups, people act like they don't.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
There always has to be a villain, you know. True. And I don't think there needs to be a villain. But, you know, if you have a very public relationship and you are being public with your dating moving on is a choice. Yes. And I've been in Paige's shoes before and I, you know, I'm not saying one's better than the other.
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I made a different choice to go out of my way to not... I think there were also two breakups.
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I don't know the details of that or if he just was like out and at a bar and there was a picture taken and women there. Like I don't know if that's the same.
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Where Paige seems like she's like in a relationship. What do you think? I don't know if she's holding hands. Like apparently she's posting selfies in her bedroom where like his stuff is, you know, the sleuths are sleuthing.
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And apparently his man purse is in the background.
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Secret man.
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He doesn't want to move to South Carolina.
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Or Philly. He doesn't have honeys.
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No honeybees.
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Where did you end? Did you listen to the episode with Tom Sandoval on this?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Well, we have a great episode lined up for you today. We have Olympic gold medalist and World Cup champion, former American professional soccer player Kelly O'Hara is with us to talk about all things reality TV. She's watching Traders and Beverly Hills Housewives, Summer House. She's all into Bravo.
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No.
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No. I think he's going to make it far enough. I think he will make it farther. Most people think he'll make it because he's not a threat.
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I don't know if I could have done that.
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Yeah, sure.
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The snake would have... On me. The bugs wouldn't have mattered to me. The snakes, I would have... The big old snake, I would have...
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It moves.
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And then later in the episode, along with Kelly, we're going to have Boston Rob himself from traders zooming in to give us all the inside tea about his time on traders. You're super excited about that. Plus Sierra's got something excited to share with you.
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Especially someone like you, who, like, I don't know you, but I would imagine you're competitive. I imagine that you like testing your limits and seeing what you're capable of. Now that you're retired, maybe there's a void in your life at times, feeling like, you know, pushing yourself to the next level. And, like, it very much will offer... It's a rewarding experience. I'll say that.
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Terrible. Literal torture. Truly. Make no mistake. It's not like torture. No, no, no. It's just. It's literal torture of them putting you through a real life military simulation.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
No, you learn on Special Forces. Bode Miller. Okay. He was on my season. Yes. Olympic downhill skater. And he was like very helpful because like he's just, he kind of does stuff like, he was like definitely the dad of the unit. And he talked about the difference between being scared and being unsafe. Like to know the difference between fear and safety.
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And so that premise of like, we knew we were safe doing these very scary things. Okay. You did.
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I did feel safe. Okay. Yeah.
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There's been injuries.
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It's not without risk. But for the most part, I did feel safe. OK. And that makes you that the the challenges. That was the fun part.
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No, they don't show a lot of like even like the boat races or like the endurance stuff. They're showing a fraction of it. It looks like you're watching 10 minutes. It was three hours. You're waking up at 7 a.m. and until midnight, you're going 150 percent.
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I had like two weeks.
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So not really. I mean, I basically was working out three days a week and I like upped it to like four days a week, but I wasn't like, I didn't really do any training. I like a week before I started taking like cold baths to try to like, you know, but I was hyperthermic for three days in a row.
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On day five, they woke up and like did this, what they call a bee sting and they, you know, the obstacle course and they had to like jump in freezing water. And I just, there was a scene where Aaron had to put me in the hot shower. They flipped it around and made it seem like it was at night when I was in the morning. But from that moment on, I just, I might not warm up.
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I couldn't warm up because they're also decreasing your calories throughout the week. I love food. That was the hardest part. It's prison food. It's disgusting prison food. There's no comfort. It's literal, and it's a test of your will.
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Eight to ten, depending on the course. People act like every time they say, only eight days? It's eight days of pure torture.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
what's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of the vile files reality recap edition i am your host nick you watch baby girl you want to start there baby girl thank you for watching it without me honestly i felt like i'm i'm really glad i watched it at home if i were one of those people who went to the movie theater and sat beside other people while i watched that i would have really struggled is it hot
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Yeah, and you can leave whenever you want.
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Well, I was hypothermic and that really sucked. I would say the cold version. The thing with the heat though, it's like one of those things like the heat can catch up on, you know, like if you don't hydrate enough and something happens, you could get like medically withdrawn. All of a sudden you get heat stroke or something.
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Like, so I think that that could put someone at risk of like it catching up with you quicker.
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The doctor called me in once and was like, are you okay?
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They were just like, is it going to get harder? But they checked in with me.
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It was a lot of running. It was.
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You're running with a 40-pound backpack.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
The part's hard. So you're not sprinting, but you're always... I can kind of shuffle if I need to. There was never an all-out. It's always a job.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
They've hit me up.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
A couple times.
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Well, up until this point, it's been tough with the show. I'm busy, you know, and Natalie was pregnant. Yeah, it just hasn't been easy to get away. Someday, I hope I get the chance where it works out for both parties. Maybe we'll do it together.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Would you rather be a traitor or a faithful?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I don't think I'd be a good traitor. I think I would be much better at catching. Same.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Yeah, I think there's a lot. From a viewer standpoint, I think they're making us feel smarter than we should be.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
But only because we know.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
We all know that she's a traitor. So we're watching that through the lens of why would you do that?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
But keep in mind, editing.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
They're going back and all of these like, yeah, she did that are in these post-moment interviews. Oh, that's true. That's a good point. So they're going back.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
and interviewing me like isn't it suspicious that like danielle was crying and like no only saving herself they're like yeah it was suspicious you know you're like you know what's happening you've been in this position so you're like the producers are feeding them these questions yeah potentially right i'm just saying we don't know that's not the case and everyone we have talked to and we'll talk to to boston rob in about 20 minutes if you if you have time you can oh my god i would love to just even sit in the room and hear what he has to say
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
but yeah the feedback has been like we had no fucking clue it was danielle and yeah you all think that like we should have known but like she really had us you know fooled i can't believe you don't think you'd be a good traitor i actually think you'd be really good at it i'm not i don't like to lie yeah me either i would i would crumble i'm not a good liar you know i've said this on this show before and people were like but you did the best in the interrogation at special forces it's like that's not like
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Not the same.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I would be curious how I could do as a traitor, but I would have a lot of fun hunting the traitors.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Not to pivot, because we'll jump back to Traitors when we have Boston Robb on. Can we go back to Beverly Hills Housewives for a second? Like, where do you land on Dorit and PK's divorce, specifically around the friendship with Kyle? Right. Because after last night's episode, it's really getting messy. The divorce. The divorce.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
So for all the people listening to the show, like we think of you as also a member of the household, but really to be a member of the household, I think you really need to know what's going on here at the household. So sign up for the newsletter. I think we're going to drop it when? Monthly.
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Like, I thought this was, like, first I was like, okay, they're separating for the show.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I mean, I don't really know. Anything's possible in TV world. And then we have like, we have Mo and Kyle, like they are getting divorced, but they're still like keeping the family together. That's always very confusing. Every time they get together, we're like, why can't they get back together? Because they're always so civil and thinking about the family. I don't know.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Like up until like the past two episodes, it turns out that like, I thought PK was just like the manager of Boy George and he's wearing track suits and like trying to embezzle money from England. And then next thing you know, you got you got Garcelle and Bose. But no, it was who was the one who told Dorit to like that PK is buying up all the lawyers in L.A. ?
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That was both, okay. And I was like, where does PK have this power to get all the divorce lawyers in LA?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Yeah.
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My understanding, just watching the show, so we're both going off with the show, but my recollection of that scene was
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
apparently in the state of california i don't know this to be true that regardless of whatever prenup you have that if you are married for 10 years or more split 50 50 because california in general is one of two states wisconsin the other one it's a 50 50 like cal you know every basically every state has their own prenuptial laws like yes if you don't have a prenup you have a prenup it's just you have a prenup it's just by state in california says you get married immediately everything is 50 50
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
In California, it's like you can sure you can have a prenup, but if you make it 10 years, you got to follow our rules is my understanding of what they said. And apparently they're coming up on their 10 year mark.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Starting Friday, Valentine's Day. Follow us. Go to our Instagram, AvowFiles Instagram for more information. If you want to sign up for the newsletter, information will be on our Instagram. So check it out. Well, Bachelor Nation is up in arms for two reasons. One, some think Grant lied. I'm still very much team Grant. Obviously on the episode on Monday night.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I don't know, because like, yeah, she is a Beverly Hills housewives. They all like to pretend that these people don't have jobs. But like, I would guess the Beverly Hills housewives are probably some of the highest paid housewives.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
In Bravo Nation or just Bravo Talent in general. And again, I know PK manages Boy George, but what does this man, what does he do? Doesn't the past two episodes make the relationship between PK and Kyle that much more like, what the fuck?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Dorit and Kyle are supposed to be friends. And I get that Kyle and PK have become friends over the years of this marriage. You still have Mo and PK hanging out.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
But if PK really is playing dirty and trying to screw his wife and just go to the mattresses, as they say, that seems really fucked up that Kyle is maintaining this relationship with PK while PK is trying to basically screw over his wife financially.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
It sounds like PK.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Right.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
This is all speculation.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Like, if someone wants to delay it, they can.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Yeah. Where are they now?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
And also, when was their wedding date?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
But they're coming up on it. But they have until March. March is 10 years.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Well, these actions and again, we're all going off of what learning from reality TV. So who knows? Yes. But that is suggesting that his his actions are suggesting he wants to avoid this 10 year mark.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
And who knows what PK is worth? I don't know. Again, I'm a big believer that if you wear a full track suit and you're not an athlete and you're a white old guy, then you're probably an organized crime.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
No.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Well, either way, him and Mo are still, like, best friends.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Well, PK is seeing the type of women that Mo's hanging out with and he's like, I want some of that action.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
He's like, when we're going to Aspen, Mo?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Anything else you're watching and enjoying? Are you watching Severance? No. Oh, Kelly.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
is it good you haven't seen it dark right no really dark no oh okay well then it's a little mind trippy okay it's fascinating i like mind trippy yeah in no way dark not yet right no have you anyone nobody i don't think dark no okay good i don't i don't like a few moments of like give it three episodes you're gonna have you know because at first it's season two right yeah okay okay so i need to watch season one oh my god yeah right okay yeah okay i can do that it's a no phone show
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
You really need to pay attention. Locked in.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Because the overall premise is super bizarre and weird. Yeah, isn't it? They kind of slow... They introduce the premise early on, but you're kind of like, I still don't really understand what this means. And basically every episode from episode one to like...
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
season like now we're like an episode four season two is like more information of like what this concept means in this world and it's just kind of a mind fuck cool and by kind of it's awesome i could be interested you should watch it okay all right she's shaking her head she knows i won't commit i'm like i'm classic for starting a tv show and then never finishing it
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
What's your favorite scripted show that you really got into?
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Gossip Girl?
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Who are your faves?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I was in a rumble class with him once.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I didn't really pay much attention.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
No, we were both hitting bags.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I didn't watch Gossip Girl.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I just, yeah, I guess I didn't really know about it, to be honest. Like, I guess I was playing with the worms.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Do you have any opinion what's going on with the whole Justin Baldoni, Blake Lively?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
There definitely is a lot. And I think there will continue to be more and more information. Yeah, that's the only reason why I asked. It's kind of real talk.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I'm just kind of surprised that everyone's really ignoring the fact that he clearly hired a crisis PR team to...
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
do exactly what's being done online to like basically destroy her and everyone's just kind of focusing on if like blake's kind of like difficult to work with really yeah you know the internet doesn't love a woman you know so pretty easy there's a new clip going around and it's like it's like from a couple years ago or something and it's like it's just like a forbes conference or something i don't something like that and she's talking about her career and
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Justin's team's narrative is basically like, you know, she tried to take over the project. She gave her opinions when it wasn't wanted or something. That's kind of the narrative.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
It's wild. No. She took over, you know, even though, like, you know, Kurt Russell famously, like, directed Team Stone when he didn't direct it, and everyone sings his praises, but...
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Anyways, so in this conference, Blake's like talking about how like, you know, as a actor in Hollywood and as a woman, she at times like struggled to like feel like people valued her opinion and she kind of had to speak up and assert herself, you know, to be heard. And now that's being used against her and people are like, see, see, try to take over the project.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Meanwhile, there's like this ET interview of Justin Baldoni from a couple months ago talking about like playing this character, Ryle, who like his character is an abusive person
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
And in this interview, Justin's basically describing method acting. And he's talking about how as this character, he took these chances. He's telling it himself, describing like, I didn't run this by Blake. I just decided to like lean in. And he was like, and then sometimes I would get this like uncomfortable look from Blake. And then I would know. And I'm like, huh?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
And he's like describing the very thing that she's accusing him of. And no one's paying attention to that. Meanwhile, everyone's like, yeah, see, she tried to take over the project because like she wanted to be heard. Anyway, we are definitely in the minority. Oh, interesting.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I'm not team Justin.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
But I think you have a healthy approach. I think from between now and then, I think there's just going to be more and more mess and mess and mess and mess. And like, well, let's have to wait to see if it actually goes to trial.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
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Leia's bursting at the seams. Please, Leia.
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Harmless statement?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
You think Carolina is the messy one in this scenario?
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Thank you.
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Yeah, it was great TV. Do you think it almost felt like the biggest challenge for people like you and like, say, Wes and just like kind of other gamers that you guys kind of are known as compared to like, say, the Housewives or people from the Bachelor franchise? it seemed like to really work against you that there were a lot of people who really weren't showing up to play a game almost.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Like, you know, who knows? Like we talked to Derek and, you know, he kind of flat out said like, you know, other people from his perspective were more like making sure that they were well-liked, conscious of the edit, or things like that, and here you are playing the game. Did you feel that while doing it?
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As opposed to being on Survivor, everyone's playing the same game, everyone knows why they're there. You were playing a game that other people weren't even participating in, sometimes it felt like.
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And while I do think Carolina is a little messy.
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Whose team are you on here, Leah?
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Yeah.
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Fascinating. Who do you think, now that you're gone, how do you anticipate the trade, like Danielle and Caroline, how do you anticipate them operating? And then who in your mind do you think is kind of flying under the radar as we're watching it as viewers in this moment?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
You think there's more to be revealed on this story?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Gabby's pretty sharp. We know her. I'm not surprised to hear you say that.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
That's awesome, man. We're learning so much. You're seeing this in the past couple episodes. There's comments like, everyone knows you're a faithful. Tom Sandoval, I think people have said this about Dylan. What is it about some of the people in the castle that everyone just decides, we just know they're a faithful? And it does feel like, I saw this last season too,
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Why don't they do flashbacks? I don't know.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
They never say that about someone that ends up being a traitor. It definitely is someone like Peter Weber last year, you know, for a moment. It was like, this guy, we know he's a faithful. Where do you think that comes from? And what are people reading when they say that?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
But like, they've done a flashback or two here or there, but it's not part of their like,
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Exactly. Because we all love to think we're good at reading people. I've never heard someone say, you know what? I'm really, I'm bad at reading people. You know, I've never heard that. You know, everyone always says they're so good at reading people. And to your point, Rob, to acknowledge that, like, you really stood by someone who ended up being a traitor.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Like, it's a, not only do they not want to admit it, it's a little unnerving to realize who have I had conviction about in the real world? that I was wrong about and maybe like never really found out they were doing me dirty. You know, it's, it's a, it's a kind of a spooky, eerie feeling.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
The problem in this particular drama is that Grant did, it does appear that Grant technically did say the thing that Rose claimed that he did say. I do think, I think Rose is the messiest person in this scenario because Carolina, she clearly is messy. That's been evident. She's grinding with that man on a stage. But in what context did Rose need to say this?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
How was Deal or No Deal Island?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
It's clear just how things are really outside of your control in traders. There's just a lot of variables that you just... There's not much you can do. You really have to be very adaptive, it seems clear.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Yeah.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
When you're watching it back with her, is she giving you notes? Is she critiquing your moves?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Why is she speaking on conversations that her and Grant are having with someone else? She said it for a reason, and that reason is what, other than being messy?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
That's awesome, Rob. Thanks for taking the time, man. Do we have any other questions for Rob before we let him go?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
All right, Rob. Appreciate your time, man. Thanks for all the insight. It's been an absolute pleasure to watch you. And I think I speak for everyone. We hope to see you back on some show sooner than later.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Bye. All right, bye-bye.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Did you watch Survivor? No. I never watched Survivor.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Bring up the Heart Rob, Leah.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
No, no, I'm just saying. He's in there.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Babe.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Now, before we let Kelly go, we need to ask her about who's getting the remote.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I want your opinion on this too.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
If you didn't get your way, would you start singing in bed? For the things that you wanted?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
To be clear, I did not care if he watched TV. She wanted to watch TV. We couldn't find the remote. She was like, I was here first.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I was like, no.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
And then she started reading out loud for 20 minutes. The old bedtime routine sounds super fun.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Usually we get along really, really well.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
We pick up. But Natalie collects them.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I feel for Grant because in this, I believe that when he was like, I would never say that, and this speaks on my character, that he was, in that moment, he thought he was telling the truth.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
If we have company, we will pretend we're not animals.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
But when it's just us and our daughter, it's a Stanley Cup.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Is that crazy?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
But sometimes I'm ready for bed, so I'll just close these baby eyes. And now you will have to turn on her TV and then she will fall asleep. Only for me to have to wake up, find the remote, and then turn off the TV.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Regardless of your reasoning for watching it.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
The way that it was delivered from Rose and the context in which it was delivered, I think Grant heard that and was like, I would never do something like that. I would never just... Yeah, he's just like, I would never do something like that. I do think it was a throwaway comment.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Is it crazy that we share a big gulp?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I actually don't know. I might have lied about the two glasses.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
There's only one straw. There's one straw.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I don't even need a straw, but...
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
When I was a child.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
We have a straw.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
You don't do dishes.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
But I don't do laundry, so. Okay.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Even trade.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Kelly, this has been so much fun.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
We also had a blast. Please, I mean, obviously you have your podcast. Is there anything else that you want people to follow you or your Instagram? Are you on TikTok? Are you back on TikTok? Are you TikTok-ing?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
You've never TikTok-ed?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Fuck TikTok.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
At Kelly O'Hara.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I can't even get on my phone.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I had it on my phone and I dropped my phone, shattered it. This was like a day after the ban and it was like, I got a new phone. They're like, sorry, you can't download TikTok.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Like right now, if you go get a new phone.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
It's not available.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
My team is logged into my account.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
No, honestly, I'm like so offline. I'm getting more. I'm like, I'm about 92% offline.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Thanks for listening, guys. Be sure to check out our Going Deeper episode with Britney Spears X Sam Asghari. Also next week, we got another great week lined up for you. So we'll see you then. Happy Valentine's Day, everybody. And don't forget to listen to Vile Files Plus. You can sign up going to vilefiles.com or if you listen to it on Apple Podcasts, you can sign up directly there.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
And he's again, like he's trying to manage, literally manage a group of women because they're all looking at him as like kind of like, what should we do next? You know, he's supposed to solve all the problems and he's supposed to make them all feel good and seen and heard and validated. It's like it's a mine. It's a minefield. And he's just trying to survive this minefield.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
So be sure to do that. We'll see you on Monday. Bye.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Grant was collateral damage here.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
And like, again, Rose was just messy. She was so, so messy.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Interesting. I just always remember movies were rated G, PG, PG-13, R, and it was like NC-17. But you never really heard of those movies, and it was basically porn. But they never came out with a movie that was like NC-17. Should this be NC-17?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Except, listen, if I'm Carolina, right, if you're Carolina, like, wouldn't you be a little perturbed that if Grant, in fact, said that? Yeah. Like, you know, she's having a moment. And, like, in Bachelor World, any one-on-one time moment no matter where it is or what context, it's like winning the lottery. It's like you're programmed to be like, this is the biggest deal in the world.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
And she heard that her friend, another woman, like that the bachelor was like, yeah, I was thinking about you when I was dancing with her. That wouldn't kind of annoy you? That wouldn't make you feel a certain way?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Who started this?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
This whole thing. Carolina.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Rose did.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
It was never a thing until how am I?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
It was never a thing until Rose said something to Carolina. It started there. If Rose doesn't say anything to Carolina, it doesn't go anywhere.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
We don't know. What we do know is that Rose brought it up to Carolina.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
That's after she said, that's after Rose said something.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I feel like what you're saying is making my point.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
No?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
She went to Carolina.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I mean, they're both messy.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
We know that Carolina's messy in general, but this particular dilemma, Rose started it. She did. How can you argue that anyone started it but Rose?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
That she should not have said. She should have said to anyone.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
What could have Carolina said that would have made Rose in a position to be like, well, he was thinking about me too. Like, why did she need to say that? In what context was that a nice thing to say to someone maybe opening up about a special moment she thought she had with Grant?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Then what's the problem?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
You're just making shit up. And again, like the fact that Grant, you're right. The fact that Grant didn't specify Carolina and that Rose said something to Carolina, she made Carolina feel like that's exactly what Grant said.
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E854 - Kathy Hilton's Christmas Party, Michael Rapaport, Fortune Feimster, The Ultimatum, and RHOBH
Cool, cool, cool, cool. Okay.
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E854 - Kathy Hilton's Christmas Party, Michael Rapaport, Fortune Feimster, The Ultimatum, and RHOBH
My high school was the Titans, so... Oh. Okay, I'll go Titans.
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E854 - Kathy Hilton's Christmas Party, Michael Rapaport, Fortune Feimster, The Ultimatum, and RHOBH
I'll go Titans. Cool, cool, cool.
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E854 - Kathy Hilton's Christmas Party, Michael Rapaport, Fortune Feimster, The Ultimatum, and RHOBH
Did you see Beyonce's mom liking post on Instagram talking about the whole Jay-Z of it all? But now she said she was hacked.
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E854 - Kathy Hilton's Christmas Party, Michael Rapaport, Fortune Feimster, The Ultimatum, and RHOBH
I will say that's pretty believable.
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E854 - Kathy Hilton's Christmas Party, Michael Rapaport, Fortune Feimster, The Ultimatum, and RHOBH
They didn't try to sell some merch or anything like that?
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E854 - Kathy Hilton's Christmas Party, Michael Rapaport, Fortune Feimster, The Ultimatum, and RHOBH
Well, when they hack your account, they're starting owning fans. Literally. And, like, leaking alleged sex tapes. Right. Like, they're not liking random... ABC7 news. Just one. Just disliked one.
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E854 - Kathy Hilton's Christmas Party, Michael Rapaport, Fortune Feimster, The Ultimatum, and RHOBH
Do you remember when Instagram had the tab where you could see everybody's liked photos? Yes. So intrusive.
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E854 - Kathy Hilton's Christmas Party, Michael Rapaport, Fortune Feimster, The Ultimatum, and RHOBH
Beyonce is sticking by Jay-Z, so a source did speak out and said that she wholeheartedly believes him, supporting him throughout.
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E854 - Kathy Hilton's Christmas Party, Michael Rapaport, Fortune Feimster, The Ultimatum, and RHOBH
You're not doing Scotty.
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E854 - Kathy Hilton's Christmas Party, Michael Rapaport, Fortune Feimster, The Ultimatum, and RHOBH
Zana did say, are you asking me or are you telling me?
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E854 - Kathy Hilton's Christmas Party, Michael Rapaport, Fortune Feimster, The Ultimatum, and RHOBH
She handled herself very well.
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E854 - Kathy Hilton's Christmas Party, Michael Rapaport, Fortune Feimster, The Ultimatum, and RHOBH
Exactly.
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E854 - Kathy Hilton's Christmas Party, Michael Rapaport, Fortune Feimster, The Ultimatum, and RHOBH
You want to hear something crazy? Yeah. This isn't spoiling, but I watched ahead in this batch. And the tattoo that Nick got is a tattoo that JR has. Stop. No.
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E854 - Kathy Hilton's Christmas Party, Michael Rapaport, Fortune Feimster, The Ultimatum, and RHOBH
No, no. Not a spoil.
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E854 - Kathy Hilton's Christmas Party, Michael Rapaport, Fortune Feimster, The Ultimatum, and RHOBH
Mary, do you mind plugging that one?
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E854 - Kathy Hilton's Christmas Party, Michael Rapaport, Fortune Feimster, The Ultimatum, and RHOBH
I wasn't able to spin in it.
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E854 - Kathy Hilton's Christmas Party, Michael Rapaport, Fortune Feimster, The Ultimatum, and RHOBH
Nice. They were teasing like teas and like other extensions. Okay.
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E854 - Kathy Hilton's Christmas Party, Michael Rapaport, Fortune Feimster, The Ultimatum, and RHOBH
The bar is closing.
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E854 - Kathy Hilton's Christmas Party, Michael Rapaport, Fortune Feimster, The Ultimatum, and RHOBH
800.
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E854 - Kathy Hilton's Christmas Party, Michael Rapaport, Fortune Feimster, The Ultimatum, and RHOBH
Do you recognize any of these outfits?
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E854 - Kathy Hilton's Christmas Party, Michael Rapaport, Fortune Feimster, The Ultimatum, and RHOBH
What is this website?
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E854 - Kathy Hilton's Christmas Party, Michael Rapaport, Fortune Feimster, The Ultimatum, and RHOBH
She's from Chicago?
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E854 - Kathy Hilton's Christmas Party, Michael Rapaport, Fortune Feimster, The Ultimatum, and RHOBH
It's a source that when they went away for the holiday week, Thanksgiving holiday, she became suspicious and decided to go through his phone on text messages involving other women and decided she was done.
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E854 - Kathy Hilton's Christmas Party, Michael Rapaport, Fortune Feimster, The Ultimatum, and RHOBH
She's around five months pregnant.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
And now I really can't help but wonder, is it really because of James? Or has Lisa really been pulling strings and calling in favors? I mean, if she's so willing to pick up the phone two months later and call his ex-girlfriend and try to make her feel bad... and get her to get back together with James for the sake of helping his career.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
What else has she been willing to do to make this guy happen that maybe he wouldn't otherwise make happen without Lisa's support? Because it really seems like it's almost like a mother-son, where it really doesn't matter what James does. She will always...
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
go out of her way to make excuses for him, have his back and try to cover up for his mistakes and make sure he still has a career and still works. Like, I don't know what thoughts, Katie, Dana, what do you think?
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
Well, check out the episode if you haven't already. It's a little heavy. But Allie is a gem of a human and we're really glad that she more than anything is out of that relationship and really seems to be seeing things clearly and we're rooting for her success and happy that she is definitely out of that relationship.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
Sorry.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
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Take care of your feet, people. I mean, you only got one pair, you know what I'm saying? And dress them up with style. And you know what? Wedding season is once again upon us. And if you are looking for a nice pair to wear to a wedding, well, Bomba's dress socks are made for loafers, heels, and all other fancy shoes because you got to stay comfy on the dance floor.
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I mean, again, take care of your feet. Sometimes you really feel like you have to give up on comfort, not with Bomba socks.
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Another thing I wanted to talk with you ladies about is some of the feuds going on in Bachelor Nation. I don't know if it's a feud that's still going on, but Rachel Lindsay is shedding more light about her divorce and feelings about her ex-husband, Brian, which I'm totally team Rachel for.
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And then there's other like commentary in Bachelor Nation about like some people like having problem with, you know, it's like who should pay for what in relationship seems to be like a discussion point. Have you followed Rachel Lindsay's divorce at all?
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I mean, well, the tea is like, he got like awarded like a half a million dollars or some shit. I don't know. Like to me, honestly, it feels like he stole money from Rachel. Like, what did he do? Like he did nothing but have the opportunity to be in a relationship with Rachel. Like he had to move. He moved. Like the guy who went on TV got to move to Hollywood.
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And apparently that cost Rachel a half a million dollars.
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Yeah, he's a chiropractor. But yeah, but like, you know.
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It was given a literal, you know, when you go on reality TV, I look at it as essentially a lottery ticket. It's a lottery ticket with really good odds. Right. Like it's not a guarantee of fame and money, but what it is is a guarantee of access. Like it puts you in so many rooms you don't otherwise get to go in. It gets you in meetings. It just gives you so much opportunity.
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And from that point, it's kind of up to you to make sure that lottery ticket cashes. And some people get to do it and some people don't. And Brian basically got it done by basically marrying Rachel and then divorcing her and like stealing her money.
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A while. Like they're in a relationship and I get it like divorce laws or whatever. But like when you look at the details, it's just like, it just seems wrong. Just seems.
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Okay. No kids, no shared responsibilities. Just she was just more successful than him. And apparently that cost her.
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When it's just two individuals, two working professionals who decided to get married and like have a union about their love. Like, why does someone get to financially benefit?
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He's posting DMs?
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Yeah, he could have just said that without posting it.
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This man has had maybe the worst experience on reality TV, period. Like, I have some empathy for Clayton. I mean, are you familiar with his story at all?
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Not one.
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Some of it is truly bad luck.
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Well, one, he answered a DM from a random person for a late night hookup, which, you know, definitely you can criticize a little sloppiness, but he's not the first person out there who got a little horny at night and said yes to an experience. And that turned into at least a year or two
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Like twins or something. And it became like this national story. And it ended up being all false. And then this followed. What first happened post-Bachelor is some, you know, following a season, he's still together with Susie at this point.
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Some girl online posted a TikTok that went ultra viral, like got 40 million, I don't know, millions and millions and millions of views of her claiming that she had a one night stand with Clayton the Bachelor. Like last night. Like last night. She's like, I just hooked up with this guy and like swore by it. Turns out they weren't even he wasn't even that state like it wasn't him.
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It was just like she just I don't know. I don't know if the guy lied or thought he looked like her or whatever. Like just he had literally nothing to do with that. And then, you know, she had like a video that like that got like a million views to the 40 million views or something like that. That's that's that's bad luck.
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That's fully on him because he had a one-night stand with someone and they didn't even have sex?
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It was a crazy story, but this person apparently had a history of doing this with moths.
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He thought... There's no way it's mine. But like if you're a guy and you you hook up with someone and they give you oral sex and you climax and then that person claims they're pregnant. Yeah, you're probably going to think there's no way that's true. But then this person sends you an ultrasound and sends you a doctor's bill, a pregnancy, a positive pregnancy test.
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You know, you you start getting in your head and he did and he fought it.
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It was all bullshit.
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This took over a year to prove. This was a nightmare scenario for him.
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wow it that's it is fucked up you know but you know that's why you gotta be and on top of it when that story came out it got press and then when he finally like vindicated himself it got a lot less press like truly this man has been the unluckiest person in reality tv and like i know he's an easy target and i get his dance videos or whatever but like i you know this man deserves some empathy
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Just grow up. I don't know. Just because he is a man and is white, I don't think it's like...
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So no matter what, no matter the situation or the story, there is no empathy whatsoever. And we're always just not going to take that side.
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This is a man who legitimately has had some incredibly dark thoughts and has been really down bad in some very serious ways. And while other people are basking in their fame and success and money- Like tearing other people down.
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And just living the best possible life, he is out there trying to make a real estate job work and just trying to find meaning in life and trying to find happiness with his silly dance videos. And I'm just saying,
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yes his videos are you know but i'm just saying like i don't think like i don't think the response to clayton eckhart is always needs to be fuck that guy because of something that happened a couple years ago and oh yeah by the way he's a dude so extra fuck him and like no matter what is said about him or what is done i don't think he like is an eternal punching bag for people
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Listen, I mean, I literally have had conversations with Clayton about making smarter and better decisions. He's had to learn in the hardest possible way.
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You heard the subtitles. Rhythmic slapping.
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Do we think this is a legitimate breakup? Because her state, what was her statement?
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It was a lot of fun. Yeah. You know, in adult life, to Natalie's point, like showing up for your friends, like, I don't know, like Natalie and I are definitely in the season of, you know, being very, I hate the word using like intentional, but it's true. Like we're very intentional about like who we invest in.
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Well, it's interesting. I mean, I would love to I'd love to find out more. You know, when we did the reunion, we were going to have Shantae on. I'm curious, like it does seem to be circled around like maybe fan feedback or people's opinions about her choice to stay with him. Or certainly something must have had some pressure.
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I mean, it would seem like a huge coincidence that something else caused this breakup around this time. I don't know.
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Yes, of course.
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No, he gave zero fucks.
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I mean, like I told like I told Taylor when, you know, they all went on TV. You know what I'm saying? Like this.
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I always find it funny when either other cast members or fans be like, you know what? I think she wants to be an influencer. It's like no fucking shit. Like she went on TV.
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our community of people, like who are, who are, who are the groups of people we want to like grow old with?
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I want to hear whatever phone call she had with whatever family member or friend who was like, girl, rhythmic slapping. You know, I want to hear what that phone call was like with that. Whoever that person in her life is, that's kind of like the friend who like is like giving her some honest feedback. I want to know what was said. I really want to hear that phone call.
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Because someone must have said something.
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Oh, well, the second one, I was really into the second one. Really, really good. Like Jennifer Tilly came on and obviously gave a little background about her, her story, her wealth, her money. And it made me think just like, it's like, as a fan, I'm grateful that Jennifer Tilly is one of the rich ones in that group. And it really made me grateful that, honestly, that Dorit isn't.
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Because I feel like some people act differently when they have money than others. And Jennifer just seems like a breath of fresh air. She still seems like a delightful queen. Yeah, she buys some crazy shit. I don't know how generous she is or isn't with her money, but she is nice. She seems nice. I don't know. And like, man, as a fan, as a viewer, Dorit, savage.
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I mean, like, you know, everyone's saying, I didn't watch the first Dorit season of Beverly Hills and everyone's saying like, this is the Dorit from like season one. And she cuts deep. She knows how to, she knows how to trigger people. She, she hits where it hurts.
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And I'm kind of glad that she is like not rolling in the dough because I feel like she would be an absolute monster if she had unlimited wealth like Jennifer Tilly.
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Oh, and she was like, there she is.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, that was a mic drop. Drop the mic and stop talking. She has so much love in her relationship that PK dropped an absolute heater on Instagram last night. You haven't seen this? No. Justin?
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Anyways, I was just really impressed with the event. Who am I to have an opinion about these things? I've been to so many bullshit events, whether it's sponsored by a company or a party of some kind, certainly fashion shows. This is more in the fashion space, but I've been to a lot of fashion shows and they're all kind of the same and people walk out and they show their fashion and
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I'm such a fan of Dorit as a housewife. I find her to be one of the most entertaining ones. She seems like she has a real mean side to her, if you really fuck with her.
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Yeah, 300. Like, what is it? 300K a month post taxes?
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You're right, Dana, though. I mean, also like PK does kind of sound like a bad father. I mean, if he's only seeing his kids on Saturday nights, like.
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That is a choice. But to your point, Dana, like that is a nuclear statement to say about any parent. And short of them being in prison for maybe harming your children, to have your partner or ex-partner say that publicly to other people, that's going nuclear. There's no going back from that. You know what I'm saying? That's an unforgivable statement to say that to someone.
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even if most people actually think that. To say that and then still act as if... She said that in the same episode while also claiming that PK was her heart and soul, which was like, I don't really understand.
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Yeah, that's brutal. And I think to sum up what we're saying about Dorit is that she says things that cut so fucking deep. And it's like, I don't think she's saying it with the intention of ruining a relationship. You know what I'm saying? She has this ability to just throw something to someone that may never be okay to come back from. But she is using it in a casual fight. It just seems...
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Kind of crazy. I'm very invested in the Garcelle exit because the more we hear about it, it really seems like there's some very deep hurt feelings. And the fact that Garcelle's not being messy about it makes me feel like she has some really justifiable reasons to feel however she does. It's the opposite of Kenya Moore, who's just running her... Are you following the Atlanta Housewives?
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Oh.
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Now, she's, like, close with Kenya. We had her on briefly in the beginning of the season. Like, how is Cynthia, how much is she backing Kenya at all, if anything?
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But yeah, your friends really do something bad. You stand by them and hold them accountable as opposed to alienating them. But nevertheless, I am a bit shocked, and maybe this is Bravo Nation in general, trying to almost justify her actions. Certainly Kenya is trying to justify it. I think she literally said in a statement that if Kim K's...
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video that launched her career so to speak it's out there it's public i guess anyone i don't maybe you can still find it i don't maybe maybe chris made that less possible but she just is like well anyone can download it or anyone can google it so it's like fair game it's like wait you you still used your event to print out poster board size images and of this girl in sexual acts around her peers.
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And so, yeah, like, I don't know. That's like, if we've ever made a mistake, that would be like, that would be like Katie, if Katie pisses someone off, a friend, and this would be like 10 times less worse, but like brought out like one moment from Vanderpump season three or something at an event and put it on a poster board and like said, like she did this and she did that.
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And like, and this is like, This is pornographic material. Even if Brit wanted to, whatever Brit wanted to do, she had the right to do it and have it weaponized against her at this event. And the fact that Kenya is trying to like stand on this and justify it because anyone can Google it is insane to me.
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Well, if an OnlyFans model someday decides to not want to do OnlyFans again and 10 or 15 years go by and she settles down, gets married and have kids and then makes friends with a group of girls, like, it would be completely fucked up if one of those women tried to slut shame her and her group of friends by, like, downloading that content and, like...
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And the fact that King is now going after Andy and going after Bravo. And when it comes to that, I just feel like the networks, sure, their networks are trying to make money. They're making TV shows. I think they're just such an easy target for a bunch of people who truly wanted to reap all the benefits from the fame and attention and platform that these networks give them.
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It was crazy. Before we let you ladies go, I just want to wrap talking a little White Lotus.
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Mike White, the creator, director, producer of White Lotus, went on Howard Stern and just talked about... I thought it was really fascinating because Mike was talking about how before White Lotus became super famous, he was more like an indie writer and felt like he got support from people just trying to... lift them up. And now that a show is like this big, awesome show.
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And now that we're in season three, and I kind of said as much last episode, once a show gets popular, like people decide that it's like fair game to be like asshole critics and just like nitpick, you know, all these scenes apart. And we went from a show that we were like, wow, this is really fun and culturally relevant.
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And like, you know, we're in the middle of season three and people like discussing like If this scene made sense, if it tied in with this scene and if this character should be doing this.
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And it's like, Jesus fucking Christ, people like they act like the amount of people who have notes for Mike White on his writing and directing and producing who like can't even get a fucking general meeting or like any type of script is like beyond me. And it says, I love that he's fighting back.
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I love that he's a little sassy and I love that he's he called that the composer guy he was in a feud with. He was basically like, good luck getting work going forward. Uh, because like this composer guy decided to like pick a fight in the press. Like Mike didn't even know about it. He like did an interview with the New York times and started talking about his quote unquote feud with Mike white.
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And like, they basically went back and forth on some emails about some creative differences. And according to this producer was like feuding with Mike white. And it's just like, so transparent to me, the amount of people who are just trying to use his name to elevate themselves all while talking shit is wild to me. Anyways, I'm just like, I don't know. I loved the show.
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I thought season three was fantastic. And if it was just, you know, the fact that people just want to be fucking critics for the sake of it.
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But he talked about how it kind of hurt his feelings and it made me like,
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feel for him where he's just like this guy people are just shitting on his work meanwhile they're breaking records we're all watching it everyone's talking about it this week and it's just like okay yeah yeah like give Mike White notes for sure in every industry people fans whatever they'll build you up just to break you down like you see it happen over and over and over again so it's like it's bummer it's like we want yeah we want people to get famous just to like find something from their past or present to like cancel them with
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From the cast, the characters on White Lotus, who are your true villains of this season? For me, it's the therapist who turned down Rick. Villain number one. True, true, true, true. Rick's dad. Honestly, dude, you deserve to die for talking about yourself in the third person so cryptically.
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It's like, hey, yeah, I'm your asshole dad. Sorry. Your mom sucked, but I am your asshole dad.
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Wasn't it like a Victorian?
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Yeah.
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I
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did hear his excuse and his excuse was his brother like he thought his brother saxton like made a protein shake like moments earlier so he just thought this was like leftover protein from the protein shake and i was like you know what that no it's fucked up that the dad didn't like oh my god i have to get this suicide poison seeds out of this blender like i have to get it out of this house drugged up on the press the press the past 10 what is it called
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Larazepam. Where's my Larazepam? Piper, no!
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It was it was beautifully curated. Let me set the stage. So like it was an experience.
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Yeah.
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It's no longer cool or like, you know.
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Like you walk into this house and then it would like, you know, because every fashion show has models. But like there was something like fantastic. famous models there, which was, you know, kind of was like, oh, wow, they're just so-and-so. And like, wow, oh, holy shit, you know. But anyways, you had all these brides, all these models dressed as brides.
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Yeah. All right, ladies. Well, I appreciate you coming on. Always fun chatting with you. You'll have to do it again. Obviously, you guys, Des Respectfully is out and available. Be sure to check it out. Let us know. You have Cynthia and Crystal on your latest episode.
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latest episode and then our Friday episode this week is our 100th episode oh my god congratulations I'm very excited about that that's so exciting that's quite an accomplishment I mean I knew you guys would get to a thousand feels like just yesterday but like you know the average podcast hits eight episodes so wow okay look at us love it well thank you guys so much for having us that number might be lower now but like what I remember when I started I was told like most podcasts don't get past eight so a hundred is an incredible accomplishment so congratulations to you ladies
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And basically it looked like they brought a dollhouse to life. So you had all these brides in all of Sink's like various like beautiful dresses that she's designed. And all the guests of the show basically walked in to this house and there was different levels of And throughout the levels, all these, you know, brides slash models are like role playing and doing skits.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
Jordan, welcome to The Vow Files.
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Really, really excited to have you on. We're big fans, obviously, of your music. And I think you might know this, but it was your song that we selected when we did the gender reveal for our daughter. Oh, no way.
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So you basically were observing like these brides, like living their life and they kind of brought these dresses to life. It was, it was really cool. Like it's just really, you had all these like brides being brides and like role playing in their, in their gowns. It really was, it was such a cool experience for, for someone who has a hard time appreciating these things. Sometimes it was very cool.
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I don't know how it's like for you as a dad. And I'm curious, like, was there a moment that really made you, like when you went back and you wrote that song, was there like a specific moment, you know, because like when we found out now he was pregnant with River and then, you know, she's born, every parent you meet, it's like, it goes by fast. It goes by fast.
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And everyone says that so much that you kind of start rolling your, I guess, you know, when you hear the same thing over and over, you're like, no, I get it. It goes by fast. It falls on deaf ears. Yeah. It falls on deaf ears. But, You know, for me, it honestly was like the past couple of weeks that were really hit, right?
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Because like River's old enough, she's walking, she's trying to talk, she's communicating. And I feel like her and I are connecting, you know, in ways that like, you know, Natalie's been connecting her with her since day one, right? And now I was telling the story, but like my parents were in town, you know, they're here for a few days, they were going to leave.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
So I was like, you know, mom's going to put River, my mom.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
her grandma was going to put river down just to like maybe spend some quality time with her and like river just kind of fought it because i'm usually the one who puts her down because i've tried to like have that be my thing that's your thing yeah yeah and and she really threw a fit uh and i came in there and river just like wrapped her arms around me and like was like hey dada and that was just like oh man i'm never gonna let anyone else do this it's the best and then i got kind of sad right because i got sad about like she's changing so fast and the way she says hi dada
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just, it's going to be different, you know? And it really hit me. And I just made me think of your song even more, you know, because before when we, when I first heard your song, when I was loving, I was like, oh, this is a good jam and it's sentimental. But now like as a dad, it's connecting with his daughter.
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We don't have a shot. I'm going to love her. I'm going to give her what she needs and what she wants. But I really just don't want spoiled kids. And I really want her to be a badass boss. And, you know, I don't, like, yeah. And I think, you know.
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I know it's going to be hard, but I honestly think it's my job to like, make sure that like, I gotta sometimes, I gotta teach her the, you gotta, you gotta show the tough side of it, you know? And that'll be hard too, but like, I don't know.
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Maybe you have some advice for me as your, as your kids get older, just because like, I'm really worried about like, I'm very fortunate of like having the life that we have. And we're very lucky to give our daughter things that we wouldn't dream of even asking for as kids. But like, Yeah, I really hope that she isn't spoiled.
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Then I feel like I'll be able to reel it in. No, but what I'm worried about is your ability to stop because she gets such joy. I do. You know, out of like, ooh, River would love this. And it's true. You see the, you know, you know, you're gonna get an excitement and she's, River's only going to get more excited and show more appreciation for gifts.
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And like, are you going to be able to lock it up and stop, you know?
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
what's going on everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of the vile files reality recap edition i almost forgot about i was like what what what show are we doing reality recap edition we have another jam-packed episode for you guys excited to bring it to you. We got the ladies from Disrespectfully, Katie and Dana joining us momentarily. Plus, country star Jordan Davis is joining us.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
And I've always liked that name too. That was the, that was like my fake. I don't know if you had this when you were growing up in high school and every time, like maybe you're like traveling with some buddies and you decide to like make up.
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And then we had a late dinner at an American bar, one of our favorites in New York. And it was so late that we were the only ones there. And it felt like I rented out the restaurant for my wife, but I did not. We were just by ourselves. There were like three other people there. Also, I do have a bit of a gripe, babe. We did fly coach for anyone asking. Absolutely.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
So I have, I have a friend who we found out with river and partly Natalie was so sick early on that she's like, I need this. I need, I needed something to get excited about and look forward to it. Like, and I was kind of always like down for whatever. And then when we found out river was a girl, I mean, I was definitely like, I think I've always just wanted a son.
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I'm convinced I'm going to have all daughters. So when we found out River was a girl, I was just, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And now he's like, how do you feel? I'm like, I literally said, sometimes I have really bad timing. I'm like, I think I would have cried if it was a boy.
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But I mean, listen, as soon as, and I'm sure you feel the same way about Eloise, but like as soon as they appear in this world, you can't imagine them being anything other than they are.
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You really have some family bangers.
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I, you know, I, I, I've grew up mostly hating country music. Yeah. Uh, I was from, I'm from Wisconsin, uh, I don't know. I think I was just kind of like, I just decided I wasn't going to like it. A lot of my friends did. And, you know, I'm old enough to like country music back then was not what it is today. And I was resistant to it. And then met Natalie and she's always playing country music.
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And then she took me to stagecoach and I really fell in love with country music and stagecoach. And it was because of the community. Yeah. It was about like, I'm usually not a guy who's like listening to lyrics of like songs and things like that, but you can't, you can't help but to when it comes to country music, it's more deliberate.
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And I just really loved like, not to sound corny, but like the, the,
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the songs about it it was like songs and music about like things i want for myself and my dreams and things like that so like songs like yours i don't know there's the ones i usually connected with more because like that's how i got into it and like now now and like i'll play i've i've played it by myself you know like you know usually it was always like when now he's playing it now i've really become a fan just because i really love that's not yeah like the messages and shit yeah there's honesty in the in the songwriting you know i've always kind of struggled on
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Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
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But it was a bit of a puddle jump flight. And listen, like, if you're going to, like, I don't... Sierra, why do you fight first class?
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
Why only songwriting and not just, you know, being an artist at first.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
Yeah, that buy dirt makes me think of the lake house that I was able to buy back. My grandfather built the house in like 65. We lost it when I was nine. Oh, you bought it back? I bought it back. Dude. A couple of years ago. That is awesome.
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Yeah. Yeah, it's like in the middle of nowhere. I know, but the lake's up there unreal. Yeah, it's on a lake, and we're remodeling it now. We're essentially redoing the house. Yeah. Because when I got there, and some of our audience members are mad at me.
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Come on now. We bought the house and made such a big deal about it. And then when we got the property back, I was kind of amazed and grateful how preserved it was. The concrete steps leading down to the lake still have my mom and my uncle's names engraved in the concrete when they were kids. And the swing set they grew up on is still there and shit.
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Well, yeah. So that's... Yeah, but you usually aren't saving money flying first class, but there might be perks. But to your point, yeah, I'm only flying first class for the leg room. You know what I'm saying?
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But it's really the property that's special to me because all we do is just go on the lake and stare at the lake and the house itself is, you know, it doesn't need to be anything special. It wasn't, you know, it wasn't, yeah, that's the thing. But now that we're there and we want to like grow our family and have people up, it's just like it, you know, the pipes are kind of yellow.
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And so like, we just needed to fix it up and it just made sense to, you know, bigger and grander. But like that, you're this by, by dirt, just every time I listened to that song, it just makes me think of like, when you have a, like a special place that like, it will always be in my family, like my dream for that house. is to have my kids love it as much as I love.
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I, you know, now like she's getting older, like now she was just like a little bean, you know, but now she's like seeing the world. I can't wait to like this summer and like teach her how to swim and shit. Like, like I, that's where I learned how to swim. That's where I learned how to water ski and shit.
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I, uh, I have a, one of Jake Owens t-shirts.
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Yeah. Like a face tee. No, my, we, I dated his ex-girlfriend and this is like. Oh, like a real Jake Owen shirt.
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It's a Miami Vice t-shirt. And like, I didn't know country music back then. I'm, I'm 44. This is 20 years ago. Yeah. Like this 20, 18 years ago. I'm 27, 28. Yeah. My ex-girlfriend was like, yeah, I dated this country. You know, he, he was big then, but he's much bigger now.
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Listen, if there is a lay flat option and you are lucky enough to afford said option, flying first class...
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
you know and i was just like this spiteful like new boyfriend i was like this fucking guy whatever i didn't know anything about him at the time but she she had this purple miami vice t-shirt that i was like this is a dope ass t-shirt honestly you need to like give it to jordan to give it back anyway she told me how she like she stole it from him in the divorce and i stole it from her in our divorce in my divorce i mean we just broke up but um i still got the fucking shirt no way
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You've got to get that back, John. If Jake, if there's a purple Miami Vice t-shirt, if you want it back.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
That is hilarious. Yeah, that's pretty full circle right there.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
You have a beautiful beard. Thank you. I've always wondered if I could grow something that full.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
I don't know. It gets a little like wiry after a while. Is there a secret to it being, because it looks like it's meant to be that thick.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
is an incredible experience you know if you're if you're flying like from la to new york if you're lucky enough to experience that i wasn't until i was 35 but if you are lucky enough it's a it's a treat but like if you're flying three or four hours and the only difference is you get a shitty meal and some booze i you know like what's and it's like five hundred thousand dollars more yeah Yeah.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
They could take your face off and do one of those beard silhouettes and be like, yeah, that's true.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
It's just like, just put me on Southwest and I'll pay 40 bucks to get on the flight first and sit in the front two rows. You're shaking your head.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
As someone who planned on being a songwriter and not an artist, do you enjoy performing live, or do you get stage fright, or is it a little bit of both?
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And I think I got that.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
That's crazy. I mean, I love those stories because I always love hearing like, you know, especially people as successful as you are, like, you know, how they cut their teeth, like how they pay their dues. You know, it's, you know, obviously like, you know, you talked about how lucky you are and the privileges you have, but like, you know, it's, it's moments like that, right?
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
There's, I don't know, 99 out of a hundred people right there just say, fuck, I don't know, man, like, this ain't for me.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
You know, but like, it's that, you know, you, you bet on yourself, you, you put it together, you, you know, like that drive out there spending 400 bucks and make 250 to be in a room that's empty and perform is it's, uh, I love, I've loved shit like that.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
Obviously, we love watching TV, reality TV. I hear you're into this Million Dollar Show on Netflix.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
They like families. They make you feel like they like families.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
And it's after like... We're like sky priority on Delta and we're still group four.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
When we first started dating, I got invited to the MTV reality TV awards before they combined them. And I brought Natalie. And we sat at the table. And Snooki and JWoww were at our table. And JWoww ended up coming to our wedding. No way.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
But Natalie leaned over. She's like, this is my Super Bowl.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
I never watched Jersey Shore. So I honestly was like, oh my I don't even know who these people are. I don't give a fuck. Whatever. She was freaking out. I was like, you need to be normal. It's not being so fucking weird. It was, it was hilarious.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
it's like people with children like you can you can come in like right before zone eight i guess yeah plane's half full but sure let's come on down kids anyway natalie we we you know we were in and out so we packed light we took one bag we shared a bag and now he packed my bag you have this habit of like when you pack for me you didn't pack underwear or socks
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
yeah i was like it's like i already watch way too much tv so it's like that's like i need that to like kind of decompress for sure so yeah i'm a big i'm a big reality guy i mean that's how i got on the show i was making fun of my my uh my buddy's wife for watching it and that's how you did they like did you know they were did you she's like i shut up i'm gonna sign you up and like my you know my girlfriend i had just split or whatever and she like joked about it but like i did not think she was being serious and then like months later i got a random phone call
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Like I'm not wearing underwear right now.
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But I haven't had time to change. We got home.
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Absolutely. That's great.
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I love that. I will be curious if my kids will give us input on the show.
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Could have done better there. Wasn't a great episode. Imagine having content out there you hope they never find. I know, right?
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When?
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But I peed. Just to be clear, I only peed. I know, but you still didn't flush it. I only peed.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
Your mom would be very disappointed in me. Don't let her listen to this episode. I have a potty mouth. I really do. And I am trying to cut back.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
You ever seen those videos where a parent will tell their kid to go in a room and they don't know that there's a camera there and the parent says, all right, I'm going to step out and you can say whatever bad words you want to say and you won't get in trouble. And the kids are just like,
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
Am I drinking enough water?
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
That's awesome, man. Well, congratulations on all your success. It's incredible to have you on the show. Thanks for being a part of our daughter's story. Oh, man. Thank y'all. That truly means the world.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
Come back anytime, man, especially as you, any related TV shows you jump into, let us know.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
No, well, I think you're, no, thanks for the recommendation. The way you describe it, it makes, and I hear other people are watching and talking about it and you should check out Traders because like, I think people are very much into like, even like White Lotus. I don't know if you watch that, but like, you know, these shows where it's a lot of like, you know,
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
I feel like it's your fault.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
and you're supposed to kind of figure things out. Because ultimately all reality TV is, regardless of what the format is, it's human interactions. You're watching people. It's a way to judge yourself, see yourself through other people's lenses, judge other people, and just kind of see how people interact with each other. It's just a fascinating case study.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
So I think a lot of those shows, that's why they're so popular right now. It makes sense why Netflix is kind of jumping on that bandwagon.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
I'm definitely going to check it out. But yeah, let me know when you get another show. We'll have you back. I'll send it over. Yeah, send over. Congratulations on everything, your tour, your music. It's all amazing. We're big fans. And thanks for coming on, man. I appreciate it. Thank you all. All right. Thanks for listening, guys. Thank you to Disrespectfully as well.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
Be sure to check out the Allie Luber episode of Going Deeper if you haven't already. We'll see you back on Monday.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
What time does it have to be for you to feel like you slept in and you're kind of like a little disappointed in yourself?
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
I haven't related to that ever since I was in high school.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
Morning.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
Katie, how about you? What time do you have to wake up for you to feel a little disappointed in yourself?
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
Also, we like to call him the man who wrote the amazing song for River's gender reveal is with us. Jordan Davis is with us. It's really cool to do what we do, babe, sometimes. Just like, oh, and then we get to interview the guy whose soundtrack we picked randomly. Not even randomly. It's a great song.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
Well, we're excited to have you ladies with us today. We were just talking about our quick trip to New York and that's why we were talking about wake up times.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
No, we didn't invite her.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
Yeah, she took care of the place.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
Well, yesterday's episode, for anyone who hasn't listened to Allie Luber's episode on Going Deeper, is out now. And boy, it is a doozy. Did you ladies get a chance to hear some of her commentary on that episode?
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
So I got the bulk of it mostly, but there was a lot of... I mean, the jaw-dropping moment for me was at least her Vanderpump phone call.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
No, I fully believe it, too. But like I definitely see what you're saying, Katie. Like it's it's shockingly not shocking, but like. Yeah. When you hear her tell that story, first, she's like, she got a call two months later. So it's like you're not calling out of consideration, even though you're pretending to give a shit. Like you clearly have a motive for your call.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
And to find out that motive was to first blame Allie as part of like James's actions and making her feel like her drinking was part of the reason why James was drinking. And then try to convince her to get back together with the guy. given everything that's out there is just wild behavior.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
Has Lisa ever thanked you or the cast for pouring your hearts out and sharing your lives for her benefit?
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
Yes, it wasn't randomly. But it's just like, it's cool. It's like, it's exciting to have him on. Anyways, we're excited to talk with him. So much to get into. We just got back from a little trip from New York. We were in New York for, I think, less than 20, well, how many hours? 12, maybe? I don't know. I felt very cool, very spontaneous. Took the wife to New York.
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E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds
After hearing Allie's story, you realize just how close James and Lisa are. And it can't help make me wonder, literally that night that James got arrested, again, I was talking with James at Kathy Hilton's party and congratulating him on all his success and seemingly looking like one of the few people especially guys who really found a groove post-show in his DJ career.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Oh.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Could have been one of the most beautiful nights of my life, career-wise. I literally was sent to the basement with all my friends and family for over an hour. I wasn't allowed to be seen. She didn't want me anywhere near her or the rest of the cast. You could start laughing.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
Right, you did.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
Thanks. What about Saturday night, what you just did? Saturday night, I sang an original song at the Greek theater.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
What does nonverbal mean?
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
That's okay.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
What?
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
Like, honestly. She was.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
do you hold grudges Mary?
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
One of them, yeah.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
It was $2,000 for her service with a prejudgment interest rate of 18% from 2020 to 2024.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
She did post a very long story on her Instagram today, this morning.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
My dad has a vasectomy. Okay. Good to know. It's a real thing.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Let me pull it up.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Here's the thing too because we never really got that answer because remember it was like there was two separate names and then it was like she had used like her father's name in one of them and then used her own name in the other. But then she never said why there were still two separate accounts. What did Monica say about it when she was here?
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Yeah, I have to talk about it. Also, what is she going to say? You're right. The court you already saw the court document.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Well, that would be a choice. That would be a choice. That would definitely be a choice. Did you see that? Sutton Strack and Lisa Barlow were in an MTV interview and they shaded Dorit.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Okay, I mean, Lisa was kind of the peace card in this. So basically, they were playing a guess who game and Sutton was holding the card that had Dorit's face. Lisa Barlow gave her the clue saying she lives way above her means. Sutton responded, Dorit, and said, have I ever been good with Dorit? I said, let the mouse go with that woman. I don't think she's ever let the mouse go.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Lady can't get a hint. Lisa said, she's pretty though. Sutton responded, well, when you've had enough surgery, anybody can be pretty.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Yeah. I don't know his name. He literally looks like a freak.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
I do think it applies, though, if you're ugly. I think it applies, too.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
I thought it was elevated.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
It is interesting, though, that a lot of men are doing this whole like it wasn't a prosthetic thing. Have you noticed that? Because even the Monsters actor did it on Watch What Happens Live.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
He really wanted people to know. You think so? I saw the clip. Yeah, but I didn't take it that way. Because Andy was like, well, the elephant in the room. He's like, elephant in the room, it's real. Well, he did answer fast.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
The reason I hesitated is because it is kind of somewhat jokingly, but it's also, I think she's being serious in a sense, you know?
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Like the contrast has to be serious if she's throwing it out there.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Can we get into Bachelor?
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
I do.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Yeah. Yeah. Well, he said it was the food he was eating. Yeah, I know. He's cute. He has to be the next Golden Batch, right? No, I don't think he will be. They literally had a whole person speak out and say, we want you on the behalf of Bachelor Nation to be the next one. It's possible. That's giving. We're testing it out at least.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
I just feel like if your last edit for Pascal was I'm not ready, I don't think the next edit is I'm ready.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Okay. You would edit out Pascal?
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Pascal's fun.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Here's the thing, though, because the last Golden Batch kind of had like a messier ending. I feel like we need Wholesome. to prove that this is a formula that works.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Well, isn't that everybody? Isn't every lead, you say they know by the first night the top four.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
I love ascots. Ascots are cute. Just throw it back. Add a little spice. Okay. You might look like a flight attendant, but neither here nor there.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
It's the one that's dating another Golden Bachelor.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Jordan, he's taken.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
We don't know if they're dating.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
It has to be by the next episode, right? Because in the next episode, will they reveal it? No. Or that's just the last couple seasons they did that. No, no, no, no.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Because Grant was announced before. Wasn't Jen announced before? And wasn't Joan announced before? Before what? Before the final rose. No, Joan wasn't. Joan was announced some random Tuesday or something like that. Yeah, but Joan, they brought her out during final rose being like, this is your next. So she had to have been announced before. Final rose of? Of Jen's.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Oh, okay. They might do it for- For the next Bachelor or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Bachelor, Bachelorette, Golden.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Okay.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
How do you make your burgers?
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
And do you put anything on the burgers? Or is it just straight meat?
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Okay, so you would hate it if there was barbecue sauce.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Well, it was him and Keith, and Keith was like, you don't do that. You need to taste the meat, which is just salt and whatever seasoning. Garlic, he said.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
He does? That's crazy. Putting it on the burger on the grill is insane. Because don't you put sauce on the meat after it's off the grill?
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
She's bringing it to the East Coast. I mean, isn't it the... MetLife Stadium is like, we want you to be our only Mezcal.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Who's Aaron? Are you joking?
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
On Roni? Oh, Aaron, not Aaron. I was thinking Aaron Rodgers. I don't know why.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
And I was like, anyways.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
She's an interesting character, too, because remember that episode where she's like, I'm a city girl. Don't get it wrong.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
City person. And I'm like, what? What's the vibe we're going for here?
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
She's supposed to be like uber wealth rich. But then the second you say she is, she's saying she's not that.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Wait, so who got the vasectomy? Giselle.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Do we need another dating app?
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
She didn't really say much about it either.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
No, Giselle. I don't think it works that way. No, I know, I know. Did your mom also get one? No. I was saying, but what side of the Brady drama got it? So...
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
That's true. Because even the basic bitch comment was like weird.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Yeah. She's like, don't call me basic bitch, but she's not mad about it.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
I did kind of feel this way about Povit and Jessel when they were talking when they sat down at dinner and they were like doing the IVF having another child the presents because it was kind of like a Povit's kind of like a character yeah he's playing the character but like also is it real yeah but then Jessel's hyping it up to seem like it's like bad but she's not really mad about it no but Jessel was on watch what happens live and Andy asked her uh what did he get her for her birthday and she said nothing yeah
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Well, she's pregnant. Correct.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
But even the couples therapy part where she's like, let's go to couples therapy. And he's like, how much is it? Oh, no, no, no. I got a guy. I got a guy. And she's like, who? And he's like, well, just some anyone that will get us on a couch like cheaper. And I'm like, there's no way he's acting like that on camera thinking he's going to get a good at it.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Sorry, guys.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
It does. It does feel like practice. You guys are right about that.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
She does that with everybody, though. Like, she does it with your husband. She does it with your friends, your brother.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
If you do it with my husband and my dad.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Is there anyone left? If she's a flirt, then she's not a threat, right? Or is that maybe she has more of a threat, actually? I don't know.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
The whole storyline is she flirts with everybody in Aaron's family. Yeah.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Can you imagine? Bravo.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Plot twist. The sugar daddy that Aaron was talking about on Jeff Lewis was her dad.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
That's alleged rumor.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Just started that rumor.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
It is, but I will say Raquel and Mel's kind of conversations, that seemed authentic to me.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Like them at the art dealer and her being like... Yeah, Raquel feels the most authentic and genuine. And her just being like, I was with my ex, I built my art empire with my ex, and the second we divorced and I went with Mel, people were choosing... the side of the ex and saying that Mel was an affair, essentially. Yeah. And it's like, that seemed pretty real.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
And then her being like, my mom didn't support, she supported my marriage with the husband, but not with my past wife. And now I don't know if she's going to support Mel.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Me too.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Well, and Erin on Watch What Happens Live said that Abe loves Mel.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
So it's like I think Mel is just like, yeah, authentic as well.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Abe was giving Mel advice for the engagement. I'm like, this is that's what we need. That's like an authentic relationship.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Well, and that's where they're catering to the Jenna Lyons fan cam. Yeah.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
He did this before, too, where he was traveling and trying seafood restaurants with Dory. And he'd be like, eating Dory's friend, octopus. Eating Dory's friend, cod.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
And that was his bit. So that's why I think he's a character for sure. Yeah.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
Okay. All right. All right. I will say Brynn's comment about Becca Minkoff kind of irritated me. Why? What was it? Where Rebecca left early to go get an award for just her clothing and fashion, whatever. And she goes, oh, I didn't know Nordstrom Rax gives out awards.
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
I was like, first of all, where did that come from? Second of all, why are we attacking Rebecca Minkoff?
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
unproblematic group and be like chaos well that's a part two of like a personality Brittany's getting paid friend contract carrying a season of a storyline versus Rebecca's getting paid friend contract making one offs doing nothing I mean she does something for me but she's not really that's kind of my point where I'm like if she doesn't get asked back next season I wouldn't be surprised
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E837 - Nobody Wants This w/ Jackie Tohn, RHONY, Vasectomies, and Tom Brady’s Instagram
There's got to be more to it. Part of me thinks that somewhere later in the season, she's going to address the Scientology, and that's why they were like, we need that. Yeah.
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We're not even mid-season yet.
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We're like sixth episode.
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Here's why I thought Aaron Rodgers. Is he not a football player? He is. Well done, Justin. Vibes has broken my brain. Vibes or stats. Okay. What do we got, Mare?
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blue collar it's giving class cowboy fans are a little arrogant yeah so we have to so us making a decision right now is like an elitism thing i mean we're choosing between like yeah if you want to go for the common man you go yeah yeah yeah so here are some eagles fans the cowboys are the richest franchise in sports yes this is eagles these are all sports these are some sports wow yeah this is giving broccoli it is giving broccoli so eagles no it's giving the grinch is a football fan grinch as well yeah beetlejuice
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Girl, global warming exists. We can't be doing that.
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Karma's a bitch.
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He's wearing wings and he's not flying. It's giving fake news next. Well, Natalie clearly wants to go cowboy.
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This is an old man with a helmet on. He's cute.
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Bad for the environment.
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And this is the, these, they have the cheerleaders, right? The Dallas Cowboys. Cowboys have the cheerleaders. He's giving capitalism versus, you know, the Robin Hood.
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That's right.
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Who won their last game, Eagles or Dallas?
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Okay. Did we choose the score or did we choose the fan base?
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It's giving Thor meets the Lorax.
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Yeah. I mean, everybody always says there is an overlap.
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But cheetah print is back.
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This is yellow cheetah print. That's true. Agreed. So not yellow cheetah print.
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Sierra, you make the call.
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In the name of the Auburn oak tree, let's choose the thorax. So the Vikings. All right, I'll go Jaguars.
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Mauricio. I'd mow it. Wait, does everybody have a Heartbreak song?
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I love glow by the way. Thank you.
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Yeah.
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So it's like, if he can do it, we can do it.
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Yeah, kind of, in a way, yeah.
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I mean, this diss track, I will say I went to look for it on Spotify and this morning it's disabled. So you can find it, but you can't play it. But it's still on TikTok.
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Britney did change her name, yeah. Her Instagram bio. To River Rose? It's longer than that. Let me pull it up.
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I didn't, but I see her name is Zyla Marie River Red. Oh. River Red? No, she goes- Zyla Marie?
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She said, my name is River Rose. Nice to meet you. So she has multiple names now.
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Well, and he's not the one posting all of these videos, too. Like, some of the women that are around Ryan are the ones posting it. Exactly. And Gypsy's commenting on the women's posts.
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You're saying the girls are clout chasing by dating Ryan?
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Or they like him.
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That man has fire D. No, no, no.
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For men, yeah. Is it?
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You know, and like- Leia did make a point that Ryan is kind of just stiff body standing there.
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I was in high school.
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I'm Gen Z, yeah.
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Once the 80s fashion makes its, like, recycle, that's when GLOW will, like, pop back up.
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She did release her paternity results. And it is Ken, the father. So we have that answered.
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I mean, she kind of did at this point.
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They became the father on the certificate. I think she just had to... To shut everybody up.
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Did they have kids? I was going to say, did she have kids?
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they give dinks sorry jessica rabbit is just too damn sexy for modern disney well so the director of like the original films basically was asked if there's going to be another film and he said here's what you have to know and you know this the current disney would never make roger rabbit today they can't make a movie with jessica in it she's too sexy essentially so okay which cartoon character would you want to fuck i feel like we've asked answered this before
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Snow White?
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She didn't sleep?
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Exactly. You know what? Snow White can boss men around. So if you're like submissive, you would love.
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Suddenly, this is Steven answering his kinks.
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A raven? Yeah. She has a hot Halloween costume.
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Our animatics, Jimmy Fallon and Chloe Bailey, are going to headline Macy's Thanksgiving Parade.
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Yeah. She really has. I forgot this existed, first of all. Not in an offensive way, but, like, I feel like when I was little, the Thanksgiving parade was, like, the thing. Oh, my God.
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This is an intrusive thought.
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As I said, the Chicago performance.
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Is she part of that song? No. No, she's not.
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Charlie D'Amelio will also make an appearance, which is interesting because I forgot the D'Amelios were kind of like in the spotlight because I feel like they fizzled out a little bit.
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Yeah. Yeah. No one saw that coming. No, yeah.
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Addison made a switch up.
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That also did happen. She wants to be a hairstylist.
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Wasn't it, like, nail clipper kind of ones?
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What do you do, though?
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What do you do in the instance, though, if someone acts like they don't know you, but you know you know each other? Because this happened to me recently, and I'm like, the person that acted like she didn't know me is coming to her friend's giving. Were you certain she knew you? I gave her job advice. And then when someone asked her, do you know this person?
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And she's like, I've never heard of them.
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Genuine, like, this is how you should do it. We were friends before. She was on my Finsta in college when I had it. I'm like, this girl knew who I was.
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That's the thing. So I'm like, to that point, it's like, what do you do? Why do you think she did that? I don't know.
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And on Thursday, will it be? Okay, shut up. It'll be past Tuesday.
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This is... Oh, my God.
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Clearly this is a great debate.
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Just remember, fan is short for fanatic. And at the end of the day, fans, like, the most hardcore fans feel sometimes a sense of entitlement of, like, I've supported you and therefore you owe me.
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I don't think there's a lot of thought. There's not an objective thought. Mrs. Indoors, you know? Like, I don't think she's sitting there and thinking... Does this make sense? Should I be doing this? He just decided that like she has something to say. She wanted to say it. And Nally was her subject.
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Yeah, you kind of just have to own it, right?
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To some degree, we would give commentary on the show. I'm assuming at times we say things that
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offend people or rub people the wrong way but like to that end we do have to like own it it's like it's one thing to say it and be like oh my god i didn't realize that would hurt your feelings or upset you it's like sometimes you have to say i'm sorry that upset you that necessarily wasn't my intention but you kind of have to own it in a way like this guy it's just like just fucking own that you said it and apologize for hurting her but like yeah it's i mean
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Stay with your chest. It is wild that he thinks he's in a position... I mean, that's the thing. It's just... Just comment on someone's looks. No, it's crazy. And not look in the mirror.
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Natalie from time to time gets an occasional DM from a fan. This one might be one of my faves.
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someone who has like been in the limelight since they were 10 you know i mean crazy good can only imagine what the like internal mental struggle might be for millie bobby brown to like decide what she wants her look to be you know in the intern you know like because she's having has all these voices of god i mean this is this is probably a one like one percent of all the trash that has been written about her comments like these are these are these are headlines like for like i mean imagine what her dms look like or comments on on instagram it's
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what's going on everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of the vile files reality recap edition i am your host nick and is it next monday or is it this monday when talking about next week it's next monday yeah you're talking about next week so next monday march 10th so you're saying it's coming monday
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Are these British headlines? I think it's a mix. They are notoriously cruel to mixed celebrities.
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Monica Garcia is pregnant. Congratulations, Monica. She posted a very beautiful little spread with People Magazine celebrating her pregnancy. Is this the same guy that she was talking about when she was with us and talked about her then pregnancy, which sadly she lost that pregnancy. So congratulations to her and her rainbow baby.
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I learned what that was, sadly, when Natalie and I experienced miscarriage, but... Very beautiful that Monica and her partner are now expecting a child. So congratulations to her. We got a DM. I haven't heard back from her.
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She comment like congratulations.
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Yeah.
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Jax Taylor is in the news again in what is not shocking news.
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That he has had a cocaine addiction. Cocaine?
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For what, 10 years, he said?
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I mean, he sounds like a monster. And also, like, just the time. Do we know when the valley comes out? Not announced yet.
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It just always feels like self-promotion, you know? Who, Jax? Yeah.
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The amount of people who put Jax Taylor on some sort of pedestal during Scandival just because they hated Tom Sandoval so much. And like for a brief moment, everyone was like praising Jax because he decided to ride the hate Tom Sandoval train. That always really just irritated me. Because it was all bullshit.
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And it was just people just like looking the other way because it was like in vogue to hate on Tom. But like why they forgot about all of Jack's past transgressions. Clearly he had never changed. There was no evidence that he made any attempt at any type of changes in his life. And now we are reminded of that.
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He has only shown us that he's a terrible person. There's never been a redeeming moment since he's been on, since he's been in public. I mean, what are his, name one redeeming moment. He checked himself into rehab. I mean, bare minimum.
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Are you guys watching White Lotus? Yes. I am, yeah. Who did it? Who do you think?
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Yeah, the mom, the therapist, the masseuse who's there for training.
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No, it's definitely not. I know. It's definitely not Gary. Greg?
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I was like, they all have the same name. She did think his name was Gary, though, wasn't it?
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You know, she wished her well.
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I think it was always Greg.
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Maybe.
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We're literally just speculating who might have done it. Okay.
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I don't think it's any of the old white men.
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I definitely don't think it's either of them.
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I think they could be the reason maybe something escalates, but I don't think they're the one doing the shooting.
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The bodyguards are definitely somehow involved. They definitely whip out their guns for sure.
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That was season one, though.
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Greg's been in every season.
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Can you remind me, Sierra, because you've been watching this longer than I have, like where did the Like kind of vitriol and hate from Garcelle and Sutton start towards Dorit. Like when they had this lunch, right? And it seemed like, or dinner or whatever, and it seemed like a very fairly civil lunch between Garcelle and Dorit.
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And then at the end, Garcelle's like, well, I'm still going to keep one eye open. And it was like, when I open, like, what is Dorit done that makes like Sutton and Garcelle act like Dorit is like untrustworthy or like she's up to no good or like she's, I mean, yeah, like she's been a little petty these past couple episodes and maybe kind of instigated fights with Sutton.
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But like, you know, this all stems from how, again, how Sutton and Garcelle have constantly treated Dorit.
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And now that like, why doesn't Kyle get that same treatment?
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How dare you? As someone who's a notoriously bad speller, I know the state of mind that she was in when she sent that. And it was a rush. It was a panic. It was a bit of a rage.
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It's just more like, well, yeah, like I get that she was part of this, like.
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I say this every week, but just get divorced or not get divorced. But the fact that they keep pretending that there might be some reconciliation. I love the way Kathy calls him Maurice. Nice.
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I just like, I don't know.
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What do you think he's doing? I actually appreciated that scene because I do think as trite as it might be and, you know, I think like the show made it like seem like, why does this have to be such a big decision? But the reality is that, like, people do pay attention to that. It became a headline.
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Kyle knows it's a headline. Kyle knows the super fans pay attention to shit like that. And, you know, those are decisions that, like, you know, I mean, shit. I mean, not... Like, Nelly and I have had to have, like, conversations like that that seem...
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She did not have time to think it through or proofread. It was like she really needed to get it out.
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like who gives a fuck kind of thing like why do we even care should i should i do this should i comment this should i write this should i caption this should i do that blah blah blah you know it was definitely a little bit of a like an insider look to like you know actual conversations that like kyle and all these women kind of have to consider uh and things that like affect their lives that might seem trivial but like yeah people do talk about them people do pay attention people do like
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you know, going back to the Millie Bobby Brown, like they analyze and break down and speculate and create rumors and yada, yada, yada. Like sometimes it's the question is like, you know, like Kyle even said, you know, when talking about this photograph, like she, she even speculating the authenticity of this photograph.
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Like she doesn't think it's Mo who staged it, but like the paparazzi and you know, this, I don't, I don't remember the photo, but apparently there's like a heel kick. And like, you can usually know, like if someone called the paparazzi on themselves, And the biggest takeaway is like, is it a nice picture or does it look like someone took a picture of you without you realizing?
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You know, and if it's like if you are in any type of pose or romantic kind of if you look pretty good, you might have called the paparazzi on yourself. Right. You know, and if you look like you are stuffing your face with a sandwich.
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You probably didn't. Or if you have this kind of like confused attitude.
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Can we go back to, I got a question about White Lotus.
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Spoiler alert. The three ladies are friends. They hate each other. How common is that in friend groups?
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Guys don't do that.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
But why do y'all do that? Guys love to gossip, too. Not like that.
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I mean, my... my guy friends we talk shit to each other's faces you know we give each other shit we tease we make fun we give each other a hard time to each other's faces we don't do it behind each other's backs and we definitely don't do it like the way it's portrayed in the show where you have like
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this group of friends, and when the group's together and everyone's hanging out, it's all these pleasantries and these exchanges, and when the group divides into individual little groups, they start talking shit about the person not there. I am not familiar with that type of behavior in a group of guy friends. You are?
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I'm not saying I haven't gossiped, of course, but I'm just saying in a male group dynamic, that behavior is not common. I'm like, maybe with the gays? Is that different? I don't know. I don't know.
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It's not just about gossip. This is about friends treating each other. Like, I mean, yeah, sure. I like to gossip as much as the next person. But like about my closest friends, about like my boys, like, you know.
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Do you think that's why White Lotus is so popular? Because I feel like it's a scripted television show written like a reality TV show. Like, we obviously know that the family in the show has been inspired by basically Southern Charm and that, you know, entire cast. But, like... I think that's why a lot of people, it's like the crossover between reality TV and scripted television.
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And obviously Mike himself is a reality TV star from Survivor. And he seems to also, I bet he's, I wonder what other shows he watches.
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When did he, I wonder, like when did they film this?
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But like the Trump conversation? Obviously, I'm not trying to get into politics here, but like.
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How did he?
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I'm an independent. But David is. But David is.
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It was awesome. Also premiering last night was Denise in The Wild Things.
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Her Wild Things. Fun little television show. We watched both episodes. I mean, it's early, so, you know, I think they're getting their...
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Look at their bearings.
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aspect of the two teenage daughters it's just like giving me life like if if i was saying to natalie i looked i mean imagine if we're lucky enough to have a child uh and and river and let's say we have another daughter you know and they're relatively close in age like if they grow up and one has an only fans mile and the other one is like a hardcore like christian you know who's this like oh my god you know she was like i woke up and god told me to go to the beach today
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And then you find out she's been religious for six months.
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Do you indoors nipple cream?
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Yeah, I do.
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You die from shit like Narcan. Narcan saves you.
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Is it like the fentanyl saver? It'll bounce them back if they're going to overdose.
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If your friends are making sure they have to bring that, you're hanging around the wrong people.
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Yeah. That's kind of the same thing. I think we're going to go with a different approach. I mean, like, yes, it won't be, like, the scare them out of doing things. But, like, I don't know. I feel like maybe a different parenting method can, like, maybe avoid having to, like, make sure your kids condom up, you know, that early. Or, like, bringing Narcan.
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Fear is a very like powerful parenting tool. Like, yeah.
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What does nipple cream do?
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My parents were always like, this, this, it'll kill you.
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I guess I hate that for the kids these days that they have to worry about stuff like that. That is sad. But anyways, congratulations to Denise and her show. We'll be following along.
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She's, I love Denise so much. She's everyone's mom in that moment. She's so honest and so, I mean, like, you know, no disrespect to most of the housewives that, you know, just kind of came from money and their biggest moment of their career is being a housewife. But Denise is like Denise fucking Richards. She's literally like a Bond girl. She's a movie star. And she's incredibly down to earth.
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She's one of the more down to earth, I think, housewives out there. She's just so like, whatever. That scene where she was just like- The plastic? No, where she broke the fourth wall and she's like, and that's why we have a TV show. It was amazing. It was awesome.
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Oh, yeah. He'll cut that if you don't want that out. That was great. Yeah.
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Poor Meghan. She can't catch a break. She's still rich, though. All right. Up next, we have a very great interview. Now it's time for Ingrid Andres. We talked about Article a lot on this show because we love all the furniture they are making for our home and yours. I've been an Article customer since 2019. Now and I have raved and talked about some of the outdoor pieces we have at our house in LA.
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And so have our friends who come over and always ask us, where'd you get those very fancy beanbag chairs? I don't even know.
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And the best part about Article is that they have inventory. So many and most of the things that they are selling right now online are available to be shipped right away. I mean, if you've been shopping for furniture, you know what it means to like find something you like, go online, and then they'll tell you that it's going to be available in seven months. Article, not the same with them.
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Their customer service experience is top-notch, making it an even better experience for you. Not only are you getting great furniture at great prices, you're getting an amazing customer service experience. And if by some miracle, you're not obsessed with your article pieces, no problem. They make that exchange or return process incredibly easy.
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I don't want to give people any ideas. Anyways, we have a great episode for you today.
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It's truly amazing. If you're not shopping at Quince, what the heck are you doing? They really have some great pieces for you, the men in your lives, really for everyone, whether it's, again, those basics or those beautiful pieces like their Mongolian cashmere and crew neck sweaters. It really is a great place to redo your entire closet. Indulge in affordable luxury.
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Go to quince.com slash V-I-A-L-L for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns. That's quince, Q-U-I-N-C dot com slash V-I-A-L-L to get free shipping and 365 day returns. quince.com slash V-I-A-L-L. Uh, my, my parents homeschooled some of my siblings.
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Uh, I was, I'm one of the old, I've, I've 10 siblings.
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Yeah. So they were just trying new things out.
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We're pretty normal for, for being freaks. Yeah. Yeah.
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I think they're as educated as I am.
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She's very straight. That is so... She moved in New York as a teenager, so you can imagine her. Oh, girl.
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I don't know what else would cause a deep burn in your lips.
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Yeah, she's fucking with you.
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Ingrid, welcome to the show. Oh.
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We're so excited to have you.
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I mean, how do you want to talk about that experience? What's your comfort level?
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Yes, hot sauce.
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Pineapples. You need a little nipple cream. Wait, pineapples make your lip burn? I mean, I guess if you have a crack in your lip, for sure. Citric acid. You bit your lip accidentally.
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So how did it get to that point? Like, I mean, I got to assume a lot of things kind of have to go wrong for you to walk out on into the pitcher's mound. I don't know exactly what you're saying. Yeah.
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Let me tell you. Yeah. Like, how does it how does that happen? How aware were you like in that moment? Like, I'm really fucked up, but here we go. You know, or were you like, do you remember it? Like, how how inebriated were we?
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Well, we have a very fantastic episode for you. Your current Bachelor, Grant Ellis, returns to the show to give us an update on his life, his journey in love and everything that's going on with The Bachelor. So that should be exciting to hear from Grant. Also, we have a very special interview before Grant shows up. Ingrid Andrus is with us.
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And did that particular friend break the news?
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Was that your first experience with recognizing any type of issues when it came to abusing substances?
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How quickly did it escalate into a problem now that you look back and reflect?
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How? How? I mean, I mean, I definitely remember when it happened.
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You probably know her from her amazing music and songwriting. But also, you may have heard of her national anthem experience during the MLB All-Star Game that did not go her way. She famously now was inebriated and under the influence, and it was, by her own admission, a terrible performance. And she checked into rehab after that to try to fix whatever problem she had.
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But like how how how big did it did it really feel like the world found out?
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Oh, my God. I'm just a baseball fan. So it was probably like I was I was just watching like all star coverage.
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But you said, like, you got hate. Is that, you know... And I'm sure any form of criticism, I'm sure, feels heavy, especially when it's directed at you. But were people... Like really coming at you? Because like, you know, I didn't know much about you when I saw it, but I was more like, oh, poor thing, you know, like what a bummer. But I didn't like, I didn't have a problem with you.
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You know, it's like you didn't do any, you know, you didn't do anything to me. But like, were people like personally triggered and coming at you or did you?
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Yeah. Or just at all? It just felt loud.
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Yeah. Well, I'm often reminded. I don't know how much you know about me or like I was once on a reality TV show. I know that I've told the story a few times, but it was like it's maybe I don't maybe I'll help you. But like I got trolled a lot at times when I was on the show. And then at first I blocked a few people's like, you know what? This person's mean. I'm not going to listen.
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But she is with us talking about that experience for the very first time. Very excited to talk to Ingrid, and that will be coming up shortly. Also, don't forget that we have a very special Going Deeper tomorrow with one of your finalists from this season's Traders finale. It's going to be a good one. Very excited for you to hear from this guest.
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A few years later, I got a message on Twitter and it was a young lady saying, hey, Nick, can you unblock me on Instagram? I really apologize for calling you like an ugly troll, blah, blah, blah. But in my defense, I was 12. She writes. And it was like, I really like, I'll always remember that moment because you just never know who's writing it.
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And it's just like, if you knew that all of your critics were 12 and 13 year old girls, just like,
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Like, I'm here for you. I'm here.
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But whether they're 12 or 13 or they're an adult human, like, chances are, like, when it comes... When it feels like... This doesn't even make sense. Like, why are you... Why is this directed at me? Like, I know I fucked up. But, like, it's always...
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say what you want to say and it doesn't really impact me, then it just becomes boring for those people. So it's really kind of a weird dynamic. Were there any artists that you are friends with or collaborated in the past that reached out and offered you any type of support?
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We will be posting the juicy sizzle as the finale of Traders ends tonight. It's going to be wild, wacky, and fun. Do not miss it. That is tomorrow. Set your calendars. Set your alarms. Be with us tomorrow. It is a great episode. Are you fucking kidding me? I'm losing my mind.
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That's very iconic.
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You know where to find me. I'm in rehab.
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Do you think you would ever want to perform a national anthem?
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Where? When?
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Why has that gone more viral?
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So that it has made your comeback even more harder.
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Oh my God.
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And was that something that your team was like, hey, you need to get back there and sing the national anthem? Or were you like, no, I need to do this to show myself and my fans and the world that I can sing this fucking song?
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Livid.
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Yeah, they're terrible.
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Especially our boy name? Petrax.
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But at what point in the week? Like on Saturday, are you saying next Monday?
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Yeah, I imagine like when, you know, after the incident, like you making that statement was something that you felt like you needed to do. But like in the history of internet apologies, I've never seen the internet go, oh. Yeah. Thanks.
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Never. It'll never happen. That's so true. So it's like, obviously this was a very...
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big thing for you so it kind of you felt like it necessitated that and every once in a while like yeah it may it might make sense to make a statement but like you never have you never make a statement because you think it's gonna like go over well and if and if short of you like really needing to i'm just like i i just opt out of not addressing anything Yeah.
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You confided in your best friend. A friend, a coworker, anyone. And they were like, oh, that's cool. And then you found out that they stole it. You have to assume that that baby comes first, right? So this would be a pregnant friend or a friend that has a spouse that's pregnant or something. So you're clearly telling them in confidence, are you not?
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The good news is the only thing Americans love more than a fall from grace is a nice comeback.
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Yeah.
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Does it feel like that right now?
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And you're telling them with the assumption that they're not going to use it because they're pregnant. You're like, do you have a baby name? And you're like, oh my God, yes. And you're like, oh my God. And they're like, oh. And then you find out they take it? That's a violation.
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I'm still the very talented vocalist and songwriter that I've always have been without the thing that caused the thing. And now I can.
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Do you enjoy songwriting or performing better, or is there a mix of both?
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Yeah.
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It would change the relationship.
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When you co-wrote Boys with Charli XCX, how does something like that come to be? Are you guys like friends? You call up and like, I have an idea for a song. Do your teams kind of get you together? Like, what does that look like? Because, you know, two different genres. Yeah. Which I always love. I always love when like two different things come together. Totally. This is a fun one.
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And are you writing every song with the intention of you singing it? Or do you sometimes, kind of to Nellie's point, deliberately be like, this is not even for me, but I just love what this song is?
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Monday. So at what point do you need a next or a...
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See?
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Wow.
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Back to homeschooling. Oh, yeah.
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Come on. So were you homeschooled like your entire education system? Or was it like... So my parents... I was going to say, tell me about your situation. I have 10 siblings. I was public all the way. They just couldn't afford anything else. It was just like, you know, that's what people did. Homeschooling was very niche back then. If you heard of homeschooling back then, it was like...
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what is going on in that house?
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Oh, yeah. And then my parents, you know, I grew up very Catholic. So then some of my siblings did like, like private elementary school and middle, you know, middle school. And then with the younger ones, my mom was like, I want to, you know, I want to do the homeschooling thing. It was like through the education system. So like she wasn't like on an island.
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She was like getting curriculum from teachers and she was sending in papers and they were getting graded and scored by actual teachers and things like that. And then my younger siblings would like go to music classes at the local schools. So it was very integrated with the public school system. It wasn't on an island, so to speak. And then everyone went to a high school.
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Either way.
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Yes. Did dad have anything to say?
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Yeah, because our boy name, we got the first and the second.
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How did that affect that? You feel like you have a lot of opinions about it.
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Middle school is hard.
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Everyone's like, who the fuck is this chick?
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Saturday is this week.
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She's been a friend of the show for a long time and it's exciting to see her. She is.
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True. He'll say things, I'm like, I don't think I could say that out loud and get away with it. No. He just has a way of just... okay, I guess so.
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Oh, yeah. He's hilarious.
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He's really having a moment.
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All our audience loves all kind of TV. Any TV shows you're a big fan of watching right now or anything?
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Well, we're caught up.
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What's your theory? What's going on with his wife?
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Do you think she died or...
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I'm going to be so mad if they leave in season two without a major cliffhanger where we have to wait a long time to find out some answers. I need some kind of answer.
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That sounds like a noble thing and they don't seem noble. Also, the thing I will be so disappointed in, if I don't get to see Helly meet Helena. I know. You know what I'm saying? Because, like, there's a lot of similarities between the innies and the outies, right? Yes. Especially, like, Mark's innie and Mark's outie, kind of the same gentle person, right?
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But, like, Helly and Helena, polar opposites. And I want to see her... How would they do that, though? I want to see her severed.
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Somehow. That would be incredible.
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No, no. That's in season five. Give me, yes. But I need some clarity with Miss Casey.
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Something.
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Oh, yeah.
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He is. Bert's definitely a part of it.
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Well.
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This is so fun talking with you.
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Thank you so much for being so open and just talking about the experience. I know it's never easy, but we're wishing you nothing but the best and great success in the future.
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Congratulations on Footprints. Please come back and just talk about life. I would love that. And comedy and TV.
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We'll look for that album. In the meantime, listen to Footprints wherever you listen to music, basically.
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Thank you, guys. Thank you.
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Love her. She's great. Funny, first of all.
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Really enjoyed.
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Like, obviously, like, we're not trying to make light of the situation. And she got the help that she needed. But, like... Fuck, man. I don't know. Most of my friends have had an experience via alcohol or some sort of substance where they there was a big apology that had to come. You know, there was a moment where they like things didn't go their way.
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I mean, it's not to condone it or anything, but it was a human mistake. And I just love to see her rising and coming back and making the most of that situation. So it was great.
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There you go.
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Now it's time for our Bachelor Grant and it is an interview. You're not going to want to miss.
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If you went to a friend's house or something, I don't know. And you, I don't know, had a envelope full of cash and you left it there. And for some reason, I don't know, and you said, can you watch this or whatever? And then instead, they went to the casino and spent it. I mean, I guess you can blame that. You can be like, oh, well, I guess I shouldn't have left an envelope of cash.
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What?
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You're very good. And when I say that, Joey was very excellent, obviously fan fave. And I don't even mean whether people, there's so many things outside of your control as a Bachelor. But what I've always been really impressed about watching you this season is your ability to listen and respond to the women and make them feel seen and heard without getting defensive. You've never had to clap back.
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Or you've navigated very awkward or difficult situations with a very high emotional maturity level.
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Oh, yeah. Thank you for sharing.
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No, because a thank you for sharing is a telltale sign of I don't give a fuck. I don't know what to say. Right. And you've always like... had something to say, you know? And I think that is a great quality and it speaks to your emotional intelligence.
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I'm very excited for this ending. Probably less excited than you are. Yeah, well, let me say why I'm excited, because the best possible season is when you're, because the leads, they really usually know going into hometown weekends. If they don't know, they have a pretty good idea. It's usually the producers being like, well, just keep an open mind. That's the saying.
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You have to keep an open mind. Keep an open mind. You're like, yeah, I'll keep an open mind, but I'm picking her. And it really seems, you seem really torn, man.
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They spent it, but that would probably change the relationship, would it not? Would you maybe think of them differently? She's great.
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I want to circle back to your final three women and then get into your final two. But Dina recently went home and I was bummed for you. I was I was more bummed for Dina. I mean, I know she spoke on why her family didn't want to come. You know, I come from a family of 11 like she does. I come from a very religious family like she did. And maybe maybe not quite as hardcore.
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For sure. And this person, Evelyn May, her mom is a thief. She stole a name.
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I don't know, like being your dad being a deacon.
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It's hardcore. But I was disappointed for her because like, you know, I don't know, like, listen, like she's a 31 year old woman. She's an adult woman. I'm assuming her parents did a great job raising her. She's very accomplished. And it's like, you know, sometimes your kids are going to do things that maybe you wouldn't do. But like, I feel like you need to show up for your kids.
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You know, you need to show up. I'm assuming that like her family just in no way at all supporting this journey of hers drastically impacted your decision. Because as great as, and I've always been a big fan of Zoe throughout this season, but clearly the connection doesn't seem to be there. Her first one-on-one was a hometown.
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You and Dina really seemed to, there seemed to be something there, but it seemed like as soon as her family was like, sorry, as much as you felt for her and got to meet her friends, but I gotta assume that played a major role in your decisions.
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Yeah. I, I really liked her on the show. I have enjoyed her, you know, someone who, she's an engineer or something like that. I mean, like even that, like it's a, it's a very male dominated profession. So her whole career is she's inserted herself that she's immediately an outsider as a, as a woman of color.
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Like, you know, she has to deal with feeling like that already at times, you know, the bachelor house is a very much like, there's always a handful of people who are treated differently or treated like a household. Cause you're not part of the group and things like that. So, I really connected with her on that level. I'm glad she's made it as far as she has.
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Middle names are fair game. You don't get dibs on any type of middle name. If she only took May, if she was like Mary May or Eve May, no fucking problem. But Evelyn May, she took the whole thing. This is why you keep the names and the notes up.
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But, you know, I know you can't speak on it because we don't know, but it does seem like clearly the connection with Juliana and Latia. Yeah. Like, it's obvious. Like, it's so obvious that those are so strong. But, like, I usually, I feel like, you know, I've been pretty good, you know, at being like... That's it. Yeah.
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That's the person, you know, I think, uh, I've called it a few times, but I truly like between Latia and Juliana, I, every time you're with both of them, it really seems like that's the person you're most in love with.
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He didn't call Latia TT. I wasn't sure if we just got a spoiler.
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But at what point are you... I like to pick and choose. I just said today. Today is Wednesday?
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Right, right. I blame producers.
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Keep her around.
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I know. I see. I think you should be able to share it with the understanding that like so especially if you ask if you ask, oh, what are you thinking about for names? Oh, do you have any names picked out? You're being fucking nosy by all means be nosy. But that is you basically saying you can trust me. There's an implication there that like, hey, listen, I'm just asking him being friendly.
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Love it. Have you spoken on the whole, like, Carolina and Rose fiasco? Yeah, it definitely comes up. I was team Grant.
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Because I, you know... I mean, I know people were out there being like, he actually did say that, but I was like, not in the context in which he's being accused.
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Looking back, do you blame, do you think that was Carolina being kind of little...
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petty or like messy or was or do you think Rose seemed to really feel like she didn't realize what she did she seemed as confused as you were you know or it's just like I feel like at first when it happened I was I was more critical of Rose but then the more the season played out I was like I don't know like this this messy is definitely messy this Carolina just she's not dumb well she definitely is smart and you know I think that
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But if you didn't take that name and give it away, tell other friends. Same thing if I tell you the baby name and then I find out your other pregnant friend that I'm not even friends with stole that name. Absolutely fucking canceled.
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We are heading into Fantasy Suites on, you know, earmuffs, babe. But going into Fantasy Suites, you know, it's a lot of pressure. It's the hardest week. It's a lot. There's a lot of expectations from some of the ladies. Some of the ladies have boundaries like Letia, where it's like, hey, I got a very strong opinion about sex and intimacy. Other ladies are like, ready to go.
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You know, it's like, this is my time to land. My man. Yeah. And you kind of have to navigate that and various leads go in with various expectations. Did you go into Fantasy Suites with any set boundaries of how you wanted to conduct yourself specifically around sex?
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It's really it's it's not even about the same name, because I do think like when we when River was born, like when we came up with the name, we thought like, oh, we were like this name. And it felt a little unique and yada, yada, yada. And then like she was born and then realized that like it's the most popular name of the year.
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I've noticed that this season is a bit truncated compared to previous ones. When I was hometown for my season was week nine. Right. This week six. Did you have any conversations with the producers about this being shorter than previous seasons? Or, you know, or did you even did you even realize that?
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Yeah. I mean, when I'm thinking about just like, in terms of like, how does that affect your ability to fall in love and things like that? I think we're, and my guess is probably not much, you know, for me, like I kind of knew who I was going to pick fairly early on and things like that. And a lot of the other weeks and other dates are more just like the drama on the TV, TV element.
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So you felt like it didn't really affect your ability to connect with the people that you cared about most.
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And I want to apologize. If you are in a relationship, I do want to apologize to the one you picked because I want to ask you to describe what a life would be like with Jules. And then I want you to describe to me what a life would be like with Latia. Titi. Titi. Titi. And Zoe.
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All respect to Zoe, love Zoe, but he's not saying anything. I'm just not going to make him do that. If he wants to do that, he is welcome to do that. And I know he can't say anything specifically, but this is my question. It's my game.
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And again, I do want to apologize if you are in a relationship with the person you are in a relationship with, because it's no fun to hear Grant describe what a relationship would be like with someone he decided not to pick.
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So I want to recognize that whoever you are to TT or Jules, this is a me question. Don't get mad at Grant. You can hate me.
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All right. Describe to me what a life with Jules would be like.
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I am kind of glad, though, because like when she goes to school, it gives you character to like have to share a name. It's just like it's the principle of your friend taking the both names.
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And does that work with your 35-year-old? Yeah, it's anywhere before 35. Oh, okay.
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What's Jules' favorite movie and what's TT's favorite movie?
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The Godfather. For sure. The Goodfellas' Godfather.
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You can straighten it out. All right. I'm sticking with my, I think he picks Jules.
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She has eyes. Eyes is like really obvious. Actually, I did not.
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When she was riding that horse in the woods, I was like, who is this beautiful creature? And I mean creature in the best possible way.
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I think you had an amazing connection with both. I think you really were torn. And I think as much of a man as a God as you might be, Uh, I feel like Latia's faith is, is unique and different than yours. And I can't help but wonder, well, I think regardless that made your choice challenging, right?
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Because she's very passionate about her religion and like you had six or seven weeks to get to know all these women, you know, and both these women. And I don't know, like, I feel like it would be impossible in that environment, in your shoes, to get whatever clarity you would need to know is like, is this something we could make work, we could do?
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You clearly had all the respect in the world for her faith and her family, and they were wonderful to you and very welcoming. But I think whatever decision you made, you made a huge leap of faith because that's the choice.
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That's another leap of faith. It's like, it's one thing, can we, are we compatible? And I feel like ultimately that's why you ended up picking Jules. Well, we got to see.
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A priest?
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I didn't see. I was guessing a priest didn't marry them.
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Alex is like, oh, I thought you liked fun and games.
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You brought out a llama.
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Did the producers, did they know you were going to do that?
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When you say priest, I think Catholic priest. If you say presider priest,
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I think you should lean in when you get done. To that end, obviously, I know when I say what's next, you're going to be like, I'm going to focus on love and going back to normal. But listen, this is an incredible opportunity. You were gifted. I had turned that opportunity into what I'm doing now. It opened up a lot of doors for me. Like this experience does give you incredible access, right?
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So like all the, you know, fans and like pressuring you into like not talking about
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this opportunity because i think you can both be serious about finding love and take advantage of this gift that you were given like what would you like to do next and how would you like to use this opportunity you don't get to say give back no no no like yes you will give back i am sure you will donate your time and you will use it for good but selfishly what do you want to do with this experience and how would you like to to to utilize it
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Because that's what it is. I don't know. Like preside over the wedding. Isn't it like officiant?
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Yeah.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
You're obviously a creative person and you're, and you're, and your creativity has, has talent behind it. So, uh, That's a fun idea. And listen, I hit fuck, man. Trial and error. If that doesn't work out, man, just keep fucking swinging. Keep trying things. I was roller skating, doing shirtless Bob Ross paintings. I was trying it all, man.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
You got to figure it out.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
Well, that's awesome, man. Well, very excited to see how things play out for you. Whoever you end up with, it sounds like you have some great women at the end. And one more question. Go ahead.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
You said which one? This past or this? Which one?
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
Have you made any contact whatsoever with that person since filming?
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
All right, Grant, it's been fun talking to you, man. Wish you the best of luck. Excited to see if you are with someone I anticipate that you might be and excited to see who that is. And, uh, you know, selfishly, I do hope you run up a little piss so that we can like, you know, have some drama, but like, listen, man, like you, you, you should be really proud of how you handle yourself.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
Uh, you were an exceptional bachelor. I think so. And, um, you know, congratulations on, on your journey and excited to see how it ends.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
All right, buddy. Take care.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
Hope you guys enjoyed this episode. Thank you to our guests, Ingrid Andres and Grant Ellis. So much fun talking to both of them. Be sure to join us tomorrow for a very electric and awesome Going Deeper with one of the finalists from Traders. It's definitely going to be the person you want to hear from the most. I promise you that.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
Also, if you haven't listened to Tuesday's Reality Recap, Taylor Ann Green was with us along with Carolyn from Traders. It was a wild and wacky episode. Be sure to check that out as well. We'll see you tomorrow. Bye.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
Well, first of all, Natalie would only get her dress from the great ladies at sync. And they are very original, very custom, and very hard to replicate.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
Wrong. This Monday implies the next Monday.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
I did not realize that Adrian Brody's girlfriend. Is it girlfriend? I still don't know. Girlfriend.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
It's confirmed girlfriend.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
Not married because her ex-husband was Harvey Weinstein.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
The kids he referenced on his speech.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
Was it on your Instagram story?
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
Yeah, I don't think Harvey's in a theory on American treatment.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
Yeah, was it Tuesday? Was it last Tuesday? Was it yesterday? It was yesterday. Okay.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
No one's making them do it.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
There's plenty of worse jobs.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
They could quit.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
They don't have to do it. No one's making them do it. And like, I don't know, it keeps them busy. Maybe they find it fun.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
How do I spin this?
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
I'm really proud of her.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
She named names.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
And I got big old meaty thighs and sometimes.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Sometimes it was like.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
I was sticking it. I was sticking it. I'm just imagining you in those jeans. Well, Maddie Reese from Southern Hospitality is joining us in a little bit. And then Rebecca Minkoff from Roni will be joining us. We started watching the reunion.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Sometimes that's all you need to do.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
We've been excited to talk to Rebecca. I didn't know what to expect going into booking her. And then we watched last night's episode. I wasn't anticipating asking much about the Scientology. It feels a little even uncomfy to say, you know? Wonder why.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Anyway, we were like, hey, listen, we're not that interested in like, you know, I'm not here to like interrogate people about their religion. We don't talk about religion on this show. But then like she walked out and it was just 10 minutes of them talking about Scientology. So I don't really know where we go with this. So we shall see. My big thing is someone who was raised Catholic.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
I have a lot of great experiences from growing up Catholic, great memories. But I can acknowledge that the Catholic Church has their sins. And there's some people in positions of power in the Catholic Church who don't deserve to be or who have done some very terrible things. And I can acknowledge that as a Catholic person.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
And I think sometimes the struggle people have with Scientology is that like there are some serious accusations about people in that community and people have some questions. And when people have these questions, they're like, it's really helped me with my communication skills.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
So it's like it's a little tricky. Anyways, we have Rebecca Minkoff on later and we'll see how it goes. She seems like a really nice person, though.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
It seems like they hate her.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
That was not a group of women who think she's boring. And they may think she's boring, but when she walked out there on that reunion, they all hated her. And then when they got done roasting her and then blaming her for the prank, they were just like, all right, you can leave now.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
But it felt very mean. Yeah, it was. It felt mean, girl. It was very mean. It felt mean.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Is it because of Scientology?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Fair point.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
You're right about the Jenna Lyons thing. Jenna Lyons gets a past that's certainly irritating me.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Oh, well, we'll get into Roni a little bit later when we have Rebecca on. We also have Maddie Reese from Southern Hospitality excited to chat with her. What is this Reese Witherspoon stuff?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
And you think it's Kate Blanchett.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Well, we can speculate. I mean, rumors. I mean, Reese is putting it out there.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
This can't be hard to figure out.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Keep working. Not her. No. Can't be her. Yeah.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Now Kate Winslet really hates her because everyone loves Reese Witherspoon and the way she tells the story from her POV, even I'm kind of like, kind of get over it, Kate.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
No, no, I get it.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Why isn't Reese getting notes? Why is Reese winging it? Why isn't anyone being like, hey?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
I don't know. Do you have a speech? Should we put on the teleprompter? No one was like,
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick. And is Cowboy Carter a country album?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Stars are just like us. Marcus Jordan, apparently just really upset he's not on Traders anymore, got a DUI. Arrested for cocaine possession and was singing on his way to jail.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Well, I was speculating. Yeah. Because Marcus Jordan was on Traders last season with his ex-girlfriend, Marcia. This is a fear for us, darling.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
I'm just saying, I think we work really hard and aspire to be good people and be the leaders in our lives. And we both come from a lack of privilege in a lot of ways in our upbringing. And I think that has shaped us.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Yeah. But, you know, his dad is a billionaire.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
True, true, true. I'm just saying.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
I don't think, you know, it's tough to be very successful.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Yeah, it doesn't seem like much. That's it.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Do you think he calls his dad?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
She's a cowgirl. I first didn't care. I was happy for Beyonce. And then I did start seeing some videos of people listening to songs on the albums.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Sarah Michelle Gellar is returning as Buffy the Vampire Slayer in a reboot. Very excited about this. Did you watch it? It really shaped me as a young man. Really? Yeah.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
I honestly don't, I didn't watch it, like, a lot. I probably wasn't allowed to at the time in my life, but I did have the hots for her.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Jennifer Love Hewitt.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
In her heyday? Yeah.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
That made her want to do it?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Dexter has had a reboot.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Huh?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Well, the origin season's out already. Okay. That's Christian Slater. There's another one?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
I'll tell you what, as someone who was a big Dexter fan back in the day, and then it really fizzled out, and then they did like, the one where he came back, that was okay. I don't know. That was a pretty good season, because the last season of Dexter was terrible.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
And then one where he came out, and it was years later, and they're like, let's redo the ending. That was pretty decent. But this kind of, now where it's just younger Dexter, it hasn't really popped, let's just say. They keep trying to bring out Dexter stuff, and none of it really popped.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Oh, she's going to be a killer. Well, I already know the ending. He kills Uma at the end.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
He's going to kill her.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
cherry picking as you will maybe so that's definitely as the internet does yeah yeah the internet is is yeah i guess it would like you get you know country song of the year but yeah if they're not all country songs on the album how do you get country album there was definitely there was definitely at least some some videos i saw certainly cherry picked uh that i was like oh yeah Okay.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Again, has a reboot worked?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Is that really a reboot?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
You do?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
That's the thing. Presented as clean and civil, it's becoming less than.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
But there's...
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Okay. I didn't know that.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
And then Paige could go out and be like, I had no idea he was going to tell everyone. And I was at dinner when my phone started blowing up and Paige Sixx started releasing articles that we were broken up and WTF.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
And I mean...
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
It's just like starting to get like when Kyle and I met when other people are giving their opinion, like clearly at first they were trying to like be civil and non drama. But like it's giving some people are trying to win.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Well, Taylor thinks Craig and Rachel should date. I was like, the internet. But she asked, like... She was asked.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
That makes a lot of sense.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
It's a great title.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Do you think how many of the Beverly Hills Housewives are jealous? Because she has her own show. She was able to get a spinoff. That's like she's the focal point of.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Lead single. I'm from Wisconsin. Like...
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Well, I mean, I will say after last night's episode,
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Yeah.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Yeah. It started with this whole like montage of PK and Dorit.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Yeah. But like why?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
That's what happens when you marry a guy who wears a full track suit.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
So there's no reconciliation, huh?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Do you think PK just saw Mo's life and was just like, I want some of that? Because it's really giving, like, they're really cryptic about Mo and Kyle.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
I mean, because Kyle and Mauricio's divorce is giving like Mauricio finally made the decision.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Spraying champagne bottles. I forgot about that. Do we all agree about the Mauricio and Kyle's divorce though? It's like, it's giving like he kind of like had a lifestyle that she accepted for a period of time and she decided to stop accepting it and he just refused to change.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
But as we were watching it, like there's, you know, it's sad because it's clearly a lot of love there. There's a lot of respect. They still hang out together. They have a family together. But there's a choice that they're making to not reconnect, to not, you know, they gave up or one of them gave up or both of them gave up. I don't know. It's giving Mauricio gave up first.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Well, PK has just gotten real nasty. And at least Mo presents as someone who like... Is compassionate. Is compassionate and like still wants to protect his family where...
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
but what happened in your marriage instead of digging into like let's pull the marriage apart because now they're just pulling the friendship apart well Dorit's at least kind of opening up and being honest about what happened with her and PK whereas Kyle is just letting everybody go in a million directions and not actually saying what's happening that's totally true like Dorit is not really hiding much about PK like where Kyle like we've never really known what happened they just stopped hanging out kind of you're saying with Kyle Kyle and Mauricio you know
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Like he's in a lot of scenes and he takes to the gun range and they're nice and they get along really great where you're just always every time they do that, you're like, why can't they make it work out? You know, like how sad.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
And there's always a lot of speculation about like who Kyle's hanging out with and Mauricio is being seen, you know, in Aspen and stuff like that.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Were you in any way offended by claiming that she's... I'm not Chinese.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Sure.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Which is, you know, for some people, like, just as good as 23andMe.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
I don't totally trust 23andMe.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
I just love that we've been to Kathy Hilton's backyard.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
No, we didn't.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Willie Nelson.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Of course not. But they always do.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Well, when you're making $600,000 a month after taxes.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
After taxes. After taxes. Alimony.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Moving back to traitors. What's going on with Carolyn? Is she slams Danielle? Like physically? Body slam WWE style. Can we end with, you know, here's a pet peeve of mine. The headline that includes slams.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
What is with all these people who, like, I guess take pride in the game? I mean, like, the gamers? Survivor players. The gamers, yeah. There's the weird flexing and bragging about, I guess.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
But aren't they doing TikToks together?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
If I go on traders, should I just create a complete alter ego? This could be absolutely insane. Yes. Is this a game?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Gamer. Gamer.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
I've gotten the most roses in Bachelor history, which I'm pretty sure I have. I'm the finalist. Period.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
I doubt it.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
When I was The Bachelor there, we did a bit where I like read off how many rose ceremonies I've, you know, all that.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Bachelor stats.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
But I definitely don't wear it with pride.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
None.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Yeah.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Too many.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Zero.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Zero.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Zero.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
It's definitely country. Those people are definitely listening to country music.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Refused. Yeah.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
It is a very cringy line.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
they definitely tried to get me to say it one episode and i was just like i forgot what i came up with but i like i see potential here i feel like they beat you they're like so is your wife in this room right now they literally tell you to say it you're like no that's why it's literally episode two i mean i'm thinking go back on all the bachelor seasons it's like episode two or three they walk in and like i can really see my wife in this room
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Yeah. I mean, I definitely said something I didn't mean, but like I didn't say that. Good. No.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Well, I didn't know that then.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
The album? What's our...
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
It's like all the same stuff. It's like, is there any variety here? Why can't I get like something that really has some like character to it?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
So good, how are you?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Are you from New York originally?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
And then how much do you actually still work there? Or now that you are DJing and on TV, is it less of that? Or do they still bring you in for shifts?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Is that like because if you don't work there, you will definitely be off the show? Yeah.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
It's one of the songs. Yes. Yeah, but like country, you know, country...
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
do you feel like joe's being kind of put in like a tough spot with tj do we all agree that they they agree that like joe was blackout drunk that night is that right yeah isn't it kind of weird that like we're talking about someone who was blackout drunk and then like tj is trying to get him to admit to something he doesn't allegedly even remember i just find it to be a little uncomfy i don't know what are your thoughts
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
He seems like a bit of a rumor spreader and like he spreads rumors that like are potentially like problematic or like really put someone in a tough position. Like it could affect your two's relationship.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
really kind of feel for joe to be honest with you so that's where i feel a little kind of uncomfortable yeah i feel like joe's handled it in the best possible way where he didn't feel like threatened by tj's claim or accusation or anything like that and he still like was able to try to empathize with his friend because he still values that friendship with tj you know
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
How are you guys doing as a couple stronger than ever?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
I thought it was a really sweet moment in this past episode when you and Joe were kind of talking about your future. And Joe was like, you know, because Joe kind of presents as like kind of this clubby, you know, all of you obviously are at this age. You're DJing. You guys work at this like very kind of club bar restaurant, Republic.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
But it was very sweet to hear like Joe and you have that conversation about like what he really wants and what his dreams are and things like that. And then you kind of talking about that as well. I thought that was like a really sweet moment.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Maybe I'm just like, again, in my like new dad, husband era, but like, you know, whenever that is, whenever you guys are like ready for that shit, I got to say it's, it's, it's, it's the best time of our lives. So like maybe, maybe you and Joe are on to something.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Yeah, no, totally. I mean, I obviously waited a bit longer than most people and I have no complaints. Now I waited a little bit less longer, but yeah, whenever it happens, whenever you're ready, I hope you enjoy it as much as we do.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Speaking of toxic relationships, what are your thoughts on Emmy and Will?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Do you think it's both of them kind of just figuring out life? Do you think one's more the instigator than the other? You know, it's kind of hard to tell as a viewer.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Obviously, like, Emmy has her reactions, which are loud and expressive, but, like, you know, Will kind of does seem like that really good instigator where even the stuff, you know, like, even behind the scenes, like, he kind of gives poking the bear, poking the bear, and then almost to the point where he pushes his girlfriend to a level of, like, she gets to this kind of explosive level
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
uh energy but like do you think it's more him or her or do you think they just kind of bring out the worst in each other
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
I say this as a total outsider because I definitely have embraced country music over the past couple years, but I'm definitely not part of the gang. I would love to be welcomed, but I don't think I'm really in a position to be like- You may yee-haw, but you don't haw-yee.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
yes so he gets to spend whatever i'm damned if i do i'm damned if i don't like peace like i don't yeah you know what i mean what did you learn the most from your like past relationship that you referred to as toxic i mean as shitty as past relationships can be the good news is we can often like learn a little bit from it but like what are what is something that you learned or multiple things that you learned that you want to make sure you don't bring into your relationship with joe or anyone else in the future or just kind of behaviors you like
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
would maybe see in a friend's relationship or maybe you would want to say, hey, I've been there before and I made a mistake and here's what you should do differently this time.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
You mentioned Kathy Hilton's party that we were all at. And that was the last time I saw James Kennedy in person because that was also the night that he got arrested. We've been pretty hard on James. You obviously have a relationship with him. You referred to him as your mentor. Is he still your mentor? And have you spoken with him since the incident?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
And kind of where do you stand with him at this point?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Okay. Would you say that your kind of relationship with, with James at this point is kind of like over or, or do you think maybe in the future you guys will reconnect on, on the DJ tour?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Good question.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
And she says set up because we're going to get another Helix mattress because we are remodeling. And the Helix mattress we got, we're going to put into the two guest bedrooms.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
I just feel like for the longest of times, country music was excluded from all the other award shows. It's like country music wasn't even welcomed at the Grammys or the AMAs and stuff like that. So they created their own industry. And now that it's popping... All the other musical geniuses want to get a part of the nookie, you know?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
It was definitely a storyline that I didn't think was a big deal until she lost her shit. And then I was like, wait, what are we talking about?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Do you and Joe live together?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
You do not.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Who's more guilty between you and Joe of like kind of playing house and kind of fantasizing about your future?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Uh, what's, uh, what is, uh, making it in the DJ space look like for you? Like what, what's something you kind of envision in terms of, you know, once you're there, you'll be like, holy shit, I can't believe I did this. I'm I've really made it.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
That's awesome. Are you currently working on some of your own new music?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Yeah. I don't think Diplo can sing.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
All right. Well, thank you so much for joining us. It's been so much fun chatting with you, wishing you guys nothing but success and we're loving the show. Keep, keep the drama coming. It's been a ton of fun watching you guys so far. So I really appreciate your time, Maddie.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
The Chicks? The Dixie Chicks. They rebranded to the Chicks. They rebranded to the Chicks. Yeah. After they got canceled by the country music.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Well, it's more like I generally don't like the pot stirrer, you know, but I just kind of recognize that there is a pot and it needs to be stirred. I would like it to happen more organically from the cast as a whole.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
But I don't know. That storyline that they keep milking, I'm just like...
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Why is he getting a free pass to say all this shit and like put Joe in the position where Joe seemingly has to like explain himself or defend himself? He was blackout drunk and you weren't. And now you're telling a story in whatever happened. Like, did Joe even know what he was doing?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
I also see Taylor Greene doing TikToks and reels with TJ. And I'm just like, Taylor...
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Problematic. I like Taylor and like, but Taylor, Taylor and the Southern charm community seems to be like the outsider. Like she's not part of the group, group, group, you know? And like, you know, even the comments that what are, what's her name? Sally. Sally. Thank you.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
how like kind of like the nobody likes you comment which i kind of hate when people say that but like i don't know i get you know sometimes guilty by association like if she's best friends with tj and tj is a bit of a pot story and and uh i don't know i would i would um run taylor it's like we can't trust anybody with initials on bravo anymore tj jt or maybe just those two letters i think i think initials are problematic pk pk can't trust anybody i've never been an initial guy
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
That's not my name.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
No. Well, coming up shortly, Rebecca Minkoff of Roni, Real Housewives of New York City, excited to get the tea. We found out last night or this morning that she announced, well, first, it was leaked a couple days ago that she was fired. And then she announced that this is her first and only season on the cast. And I got to say, I was a little shocked by the reunion.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
It really seemed like, as we said before, these ladies did not like her. It felt personal.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
This is mostly on the Brynn drama of it all, which, you know, obviously there's, you know, the fact that they threw out the whole, you know, part two, Andy and the rest of the cast had to, like, make sure that they let Brynn know, like, we believe your story as it relates to what happened to you, and then simultaneously be put in a position to also have to question her.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
There was a part of me that, like, started understanding Brynn Bryn's point of view, except that it was like, I was blown away by all the, when they were kind of all going back and forth about who said what when, and every word out of Bryn's mouth, the entire cast was like, we didn't say that, we didn't say that, we didn't say that. I mean, it really painted Bryn as just a compulsive liar.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
When you couple that with the subject in which we were talking about, it just makes it really uncomfortable
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
to like the lump those all in together and have a discussion about it you know while you're like well Brynn's saying all these things and all the women are like we didn't say that we didn't say that you're like what are you like what are you talking about you're just making shit up and then having Andy to be like just so you know no matter what we you know we believe this but like it's the other part we're struggling with it was just hard to
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Where I understand Brynn is that given what happened to her, you would think she'd be allowed to have moments of, you know...
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Being triggered. Moments of being triggered. Moments of being reactive. Moments of feeling out of body and saying shit. And maybe not remembering everything she said. You know...
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Like, is it messy that Brynn was, in fact, really just messy in that moment? Said some things that weren't totally accurate without the intention. of weaponizing it to take down Uba. I understand what the women are saying.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
I understand that this is a very obviously sensitive topic and when you make an accusation, which I guess what Brynn is saying that it wasn't an accusation, that it was just like, I don't know, something she was saying while being attacked.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
That's the hard part because Uba is like dead set on like, you didn't say that. And I tend to believe Uba.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
But I'm still willing to acknowledge that Brynn thought she said that. That's not that unbelievable.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Especially given what Brynn has been through and the trauma that can cause. And having had a front row seat to people who have opened up about that, I can at least understand that position. So it does feel like, I understand where Uba is upset, but how can the rest of the ladies be so sure of Brynn's intentions?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
No. No.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Well, that was the problem too, is like, I feel like they really leaned into this topic because there's literally nothing else to discuss and talk about. So now they're milking this topic that feels like it shouldn't be milked.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
This sounds like Beyonce won this award because she's Beyonce.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
nasty water you don't want to walk in like that's definitely gonna affect people wanting to go to Puerto Rico and like they were valid and being like you guys ever seen the movie sideways about wine yes the line I'm not drinking fucking Marlowe like crash the Marlowe market yeah
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for years like it it's just now it's just now recovering and that's like a 15 20 year old movie but it does like that shit does that shit matters it affects for the average person who like isn't like a sommelier or a a travel coordinator and they're like should we go to Puerto Rico or like
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Puerto Rico, lovely.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Have you seen Post Malone's first musical video?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Well, thank you for joining us. We're excited to talk with you.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Yeah, you were, Rebecca and I first messaged because she was deep in Scandival and was at a dinner party with apparently some friends talking about our coverage of Scandival. Have you ever met Tom?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Well, we just obviously got done watching reunion part two. And you, I think, overnight announced that you will be leaving. Roni is maybe we should just start there.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Yeah. Like. I mean, I didn't know what to expect you coming in, but that room felt very cold and harsh. Were you caught off guard by the energy that you walked into at the reunion?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Music video?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Performance?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
OK, like obviously you and Aaron seem to get into it. Then a little bit of you and Brent. But just the energy in the room, period, seemed like I know they were all kind of mad at you for some reason.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Thank you.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Well, what happened with you and Erin? I mean, have you been able to figure out like what her issues are with you? And are you guys still at angst with each other or are you guys been able to reconcile at all?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
We're not calling songs a bop?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
We can. What are the kids saying?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Please don't say crunk.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Did being called nice and boring bother you?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
So you felt like it was her intention was negative and that's the issue you had in a way.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Have you tried to reach out to Aaron since the reunion?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Why not?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Well, I mean, I guess, are you hoping to reconcile or are you kind of like, fuck her? Because I guess if I found out a friend was mad at me, I guess I would just, I would have been like, hey, let's have a cup of coffee and put it in their court.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
You know, for me, it's just more like if a friend's mad at me and I did something wrong, I would just, I would want to put the ball in their court so I could say, like, I did what I could, so to speak. And I guess I'm just like, but maybe you're just kind of over it.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
well, I don't think you should do anything. I'm just kind of curious, like where's your heart when it comes to this friendship? Like if I didn't care about our friendship, if like if someone called me out or whatever and like, you know, and I was like, what are you talking about? Like maybe I'd be like, there's a lot of friends I've had where I'm like, you know what?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Maybe we've outgrown each other. I've moved on. Sometimes it's like, you know what? I fucked up or, you know, I don't agree with them, but like I clearly upset them. So like, but I do miss this friend, but like, so I'm just going to reach out to him and say, hey, whenever you're ready, I'm ready. And I'm like, but maybe you're not ready.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
I also think Monday is the first day of the week.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Are you happy you went on Roni or do you regret going on Roni?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Okay.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
But it's just not. But it is. It's such a Gen Z thing to say. I'm just going to decide what it is for me because it makes my feelings.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Yeah, I could never. I mean, I give all the housewives and every person in the Bravo community a lot of credit just because it asks a lot of of its cast members to, you know, really, really be open about everything in their life, whether you want to be open about it or not. They you know, the audience really is is demanding of that.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
I guess my question, when you said yes to the experience, were you surprised just how demanding Bravo, its fans, and I guess production is of, you know, it's like, I don't think they seem to care much about your boundaries, so to speak, right? And I think that's kind of like this unwritten rule
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
of reality tv in general and specifically with bravo and its fans with its cast members it's like if you want us to root for you if you want to be on the show you gotta just talk about all of it even rumors and yada yada which is crazy behavior but like that is that is what is expected did you realize that when you signed up for it or is that something you kind of discovered or like or just realized just how authentic you know bravo and its fan base and community expects of its its housewives and its cast people
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
That's like someone working third shift saying 5 p.m. is the morning.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Do you have like as far as the Brynn and Uba of it all, you know, and we mentioned this kind of earlier, you know, obviously this is a very sensitive topic as it relates to what happened to Brynn. But yeah, how do you see it? Because another thing that I really noticed too, it's just like all the women were just basically calling Brynn a liar about many things.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
It's like Brynn would say, I had ketchup, whatever. And she's like, you didn't say that. And at the same time, we obviously want to hold space for Brynn and this very terrible event that happened to her.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
you know how did you see it in terms of the other women being so certain of brin's intentions because while it does seem like brin has some issues with the truth when it came to this event you know of of brin's confession about what happened to her in some ways i understand brin being like i you know i wasn't in the right mindset you know uh this is a very traumatic event she's
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
People are coming at her. She's obviously triggered. And while it seems like she, you know, I understand Uba's frustration. I understand that they have a lot to work through.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Some of the other women being so certain of Brynn's intention in accusing her of trying to destroy Uba, that was a little lost on me because how can they be so sure of something, especially when we're talking about sexual assault, we're talking about trauma and things of that nature. But where do you land on that topic?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Do you think Brynn's intention was to weaponize it? I mean, you were there, so maybe we're being a little critical of the other ladies.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
So you think she knew what she was saying when she said it and she knew she was saying something that wasn't true?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
We understand that. But you were there and it's like it's easy for us to debate, you know, hypotheticals when we weren't, you know, like it's it matters to see someone's body language and look on their face when they say something as opposed to like maybe she was hysterical and you're like, I don't know, maybe she honestly had no idea what she was saying.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
So it's interesting to hear your point of view.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Yeah, it's tough. If you really look at it. you know, this drama aside, I mean, to that point, it's like, you know, if Jenna, if Jenna is going to be like, how's my robe? You know, like it's really tough to work with that. You know, if your stick is the unproblematic queen, I don't know how to work with that. It's like,
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Have you ever heard of the Sunday scaries?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Who were the two?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
So you have Sunday scaries because you're like, no, I'm scared. You're a Monday?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
How much of your religion, specifically to Scientology, do you think impacted your experience on this season?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Well, that too, and how the women, you know, like I didn't realize when you would come on, they would, you know, your entire conversation would be mostly centered around that.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
But yeah, it, it, do you think that's ultimately what framed your character arc or whatever? You know, they, they seem to focus on that.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
I'm going to try to ask you a question around this. You can let me know if you think it's respectful or not.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
But I want you to feel comfortable. There was a scene you had with Aaron, like when she brought it up to you and you said something I found very interesting. Or Aaron brought up criticisms that Scientology has received or something to that effect. And you said something like, you know, like all religions, there are good and bad aspects to it or something like that.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
And like you have pulled through what you found to be the good aspects of that. Right. Something to that effect that resonate with you.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
When she was in the industry, you know?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
No, you guys were at like a lunch or something, you know, and you were basically like, hey, listen, like there's just things that I've personally have benefited from, you know, being a Scientologist where it was like, I'm just saying like, I kind of related to that comment. I grew up very Catholic, right? So. Yep. I have very positive experiences growing up Catholic.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
I don't practice much anymore these days, but my experience was always positive, right?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
And I resonated with that comment because as someone who grew up Catholic, I was also very much made aware from people a lot of times who weren't Catholic, some of their criticisms of the Catholic faith, specifically with some of the things that priests have done and some of the, quite honestly, some of the very terrible accusations that have centered around Catholic religion.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
And as someone who was a Catholic, it's like I felt like I could still be a proud Catholic while also acknowledge that some things have gone on in the church that I don't necessarily stand for or agree with, but acknowledge that maybe they have happened. And I think- like for me, for example, and I'll just speak for myself, I know very little about your religion.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
I'm fully and most of what I know is the criticisms it's received. And I think in some of those criticisms make you a little uncomfortable sometimes where you're just like, I don't even know how to talk to a Scientologist. I don't even know if it's safe to talk to a Scientologist because of some of the stuff I've heard.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
And I think sometimes people have those questions about the criticisms because like, they just want to know like what's up, you know, type of thing where it's like, do you know what I'm saying?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Like, so I do, it feels like sometimes a refusal to like even acknowledge some of the criticisms or even talk about them, which makes some people, I think not speaking for other people per se, but like even myself where it's just like, well, what's up with that? You know, because I can say like fucking some Catholic priests like deserve to be in prison.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
And I'm cool with saying that, you know, does that make sense?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
I said stupid.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess I understand it. I mean, like, when it comes to some of the criticisms, are you, like, do you acknowledge that, like, you know, like, are any of the rumors or, like, there must be some truth about them?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
You know, kind of like I said, like, you know, like you said, you can't speak for everyone, but I acknowledge that, like, you know, I mean, a priest I knew growing up turned out to be a bad guy.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Yeah, no, but like, and that's not my intention of doing that.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Well, thank you for answering some of those questions. What's next for you, Rebecca?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
All right. Well, thank you for taking the time, Rebecca. We really appreciate it. Sad to see you leave Roni and wishing you nothing but the best going forward.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
It was very uncomfortable asking that Scientology question.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
But maybe it just didn't land.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
I think it's safe to say all these ladies on Roni were very measured and very safe and very like uncomfortable with leaning in except for Brynn and not to excuse her for some of the behavior we saw. It was interesting to hear Rebecca like, you know, all these women, it seems very clear that they think Brynn knew what she was saying when she was saying it.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
I think the one criticism I wanted to ask Rebecca about Scientology is the accusations around some of the people in that community are known to harass and bully former members. It's tough because I get what you're all saying. I really do. We don't talk about religion, period, on this show. We don't be like, why are you Buddhist? Yeah.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
you know, we don't interrogate people's religions, but with this particular one, there is a lot more controversy around it with a lot more salacious theories and accusations that do make you uncomfortable given like a lot of people's beliefs that they are not rumors, that they're truths. And there does seem to be a caginess or a resistance to talk about it. I know, you know, I just, I don't know.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
It's a tricky one. Yeah. And she seems lovely.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Well, she seems delightful, and we wish her nothing but the best. And hopefully she's able to maintain her friendships with most of the cast. And I hope that Aaron and her can reconcile. All right, that wraps it up for today. Don't forget to check out that interview with Carl Ratke. We have a really big week lined up for you next week. Super excited about what is coming up then.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Yeah, we forgot to talk about that on, well, Tuesday's episode. I think most people have seen this by now. But did those ladies get fired?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
We will see you then. Bye.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
But it's definitely possible that it's not their fault. Like doing those red carpet interviews are they're hard. It's like it's live. It's in real time. It's very fast. Yet people come in and out. Like sometimes you're really good teleprompter, which for me, that's that's a nightmare. But yeah, you have producers and cameramen all around you that you got like someone in your ear.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Like literally you have a phony mic in your ear. So like, but someone deserves to be fired. Maybe not those two ladies. Cause it may be like, maybe someone was like, Hey, it's chapel. Like get chapel, chapel, chapel, chapel, chapel, chapel, chapel, chapel, chapel, chapel, chapel. And they're like, okay.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Like I, you know, and they were listening to someone, but whoever made that call deserves to be fired. They must. They have to be. Also, then it puts Chapel in such a bad look, right? Because all the Babyface fans, you know there's some asshole out there blaming Chapel for this.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Helix Sleep is the greatest mattress created by mankind. I feel like I've said enough.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
And the best part is the prices are incredible. Like, stop going to those showrooms and then having to explain all the things about mattresses. Like, Helix has got that covered. Take that short little quiz. It's not even a quiz. It's just like you get to talk about how you like to sleep. That sounds like fun to me. It was fun. for me.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
i think that's what i saw was that it was like that's not fair pitting that of course it's like no she did not do any she literally was just existing but like someone whoever like maybe face was in a mid-sentence yeah he was just like hey yeah what's your favorite day of the week and he was like let me tell you why monday is and he was just getting into like point three and they just let's get the fuck out of the way he was so respectful about it though he was every time he closes his eyes
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
He handled it very graciously.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Is there any chance? No, that would be somehow blaming chapel.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Well, Chapel has been proven to be a bit prickly on the red carpet. So, like, maybe they were just like, this is our only moment to get Chapel. Because, like, whatever she doesn't come in.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Oh, yeah.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
that made me so angry sorry we just she couldn't hear us because we didn't want to yell we were whispering anyway we got a great episode for you lined up today but before we let you know all about that don't forget to listen to the Going Deeper episode with Carl Racky that dropped yesterday for all you Summer House fans out there or just Bravo fans in general really enjoyed getting to know Carl it was a lovely lovely interview um
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
I really appreciate it, especially when we think someone might be too afraid to come on.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Honest. I really feel like I got to know the guy.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
I have so much respect for him.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
He looks fantastic. Very tall. He's really been through a lot. Very tall.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
You want to jump Carl's bones?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
I say good for him for branching out. And that's without a girlfriend.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Yeah, I gotta say, I get, you know, Give a lot of credit to a middle-aged man, I say that as one myself, who got outside of the skinny jeans without a girlfriend.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
I know.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Exactly. It took you shaming me.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
The Wedgewood in Vancouver, just a really delightful staff. This really very charming, very helpful. They did the best they could.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
But I, you know, again, like I was trying, I was, River was freaking out. I'm trying to calm her down. And like our whole like honeymoon debacle, we will remember this night. You know, there's so many nights, even like, you know, we talk about raising our daughter and all these memorable moments. But the truth is, You know, I mean, I don't know.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Do you guys remember three weeks ago on a Wednesday what you did? I don't fucking know. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's we don't remember most days of our life. You know what I'm saying? We are going to remember this night and we're going to remember as a family like we like stepped up like, you know, when you're driving. And crisis is happening and you, all you have is each other.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
It really makes you appreciate what you have and like doing shit together. I don't, you know, there's, there's definitely that element of it. Like, that's definitely how I get through these crises is like, this is going to be a moment that I cherish someday right now. I'm losing my fucking mind.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
And again, our bad for showing up in the middle of the night, but that's, you know.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
We have each other. It's a really weird, trippy thing when your child goes, you know, because like River was like also being super cute in moments and you're like freaking out and it like does calm you down for a moment. But you're also mad and you're like laughing at your child in the middle of a crisis. It's it's it's a wild experience. Anyways, that was our we're just drama and no one's fault.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
But- I just like, you know, and when we tell the story... Nick's quickly changing his story.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
No, it's not really there about. I mean, like, you know, it just doesn't really make sense why Whistler shuts down. I mean, we can't be the first people who need it. Like people drive through Whistler.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Working on it.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Working on it. Working on it. They right now have a no refund policy. Well, of course.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
We check into our hotel in this crisis and like I'm trying to like I almost feel like I have to explain to the guy like why we're in this pickle. You know, like, am I just a bad dad? You know, did we not plan for this? Like, how did we just show up and be like in a panic, need a hotel room in the middle of the fucking night? So I'm like, we couldn't get into our our our Verbo.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
He's like, yeah, that's a thing here.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Sorry. No, I'm on no sleep. Anyways, I'm glad I get to do life with you and I'm glad that we work together and we do everything together. I mean, that's... You know, listen, when I remember being a young, young man, I was in my early twenties and one of my uncles is a very successful businessman, right? And he was kind of like my, you know, professional role model.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
So true. Yeah.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
We do. Trey Kennedy is with us. You may follow him online. He's a pretty funny dude. Anyways, he loves reality TV and he's going to break down episode one of Love Island. It's good to be back, Islanders. It really is. Summer has begun.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Obviously, the intros are really fun. I don't know what they spend on all these licensing for music, but I'm so appreciative that Peacock makes that investment because it just makes it fun when you have all these mixes and soundtracks tied to these cast members. Obviously, it's episode one, so you're 40 minutes in and you're still getting to know people.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
But boy, once they get going, they get going. It's just like, oh, and we're making out. Yes. This is great. We'll get into it more later. We got any headlines?
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
What do we got here?
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Justin, you always look good.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Well, I will say if you are a dad to change a diaper. There is that. Natalie wouldn't know. Natalie, again, mother of the year. She does so much for River. There are the finer details of motherhood that I should know and I don't. For example, yesterday, before we went to dinner, River was upset. Natalie is calming River down. And she's like, can you order room service for dinner for River?
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
And I'm like, what the fuck should I order? I don't know. She's like, figure it the fuck out. And I was like, I don't...
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
I mean, I know what she eats, but I just know Nellie is very particular. And I just was like, I'm going to order something. And then she's going to be like, what the fuck is this? And it was, she got a grilled cheese.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Anyways, as a dad who looks for ways to help out my wife parenting her child,
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
changing the diaper on the airplane I'm the airplane diaper changer and honestly I don't mind it because every time I do it I look like a fucking hero to the rest of the people on a plane it's just like everyone looks up and like that's that's a good dad that's a great father and I'm like yeah he does it for the ego boost are you holding her like Simba yeah I changed the diaper it's really all about me yeah for sure so there is that I will has anyone pooped on a plane
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Oh, I've thrown up on a plane.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Holding your pee to not use the bathroom is crazy. I'm sorry. It's not that bad to pee.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
For the boys, for the ladies, I totally understand it. I would never... I would hold it.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
And my first girlfriend, you know, drama, drama, drama. We broke up, got back to the girl, broke up, got back together. And one of our breakups, I was like sulking. And my, my aunt came up to me and she was like trying to basically like talk shit about her in the nicest possible way and trying to convince me to like move on.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
But if you have a morning flight and you're like trying to drink some coffee, coffee is like a natural laxative. Like, you know,
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
But, like, even, like, it makes you pee more, too. So, like, you might pee right before the flight and not realize that you've had two cups of water and a coffee. And, you know, once you break the seal, like, 20 minutes later, your body's like, I'm sorry, we didn't get it all up. You know?
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
I will say Natalie sent me a handful of airplane nudes, which I appreciate. So you are taking nudes on the airplane. I told you.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
You know, this makes sense getting on a team. And I say this with love to both of you. This is not meant to be anything but love.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Leia and Justin. Because I think Leia has by far and away the least amount of shame on this team. So the fact that she's with Leia makes sense. And Justin probably has the most shame.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
And she knew I was like, aspired to, you know, be successful in business and be like my uncle and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And she was just like, listen, you're going to need a partner who like, can like be by your side at like very important dinners. She's like, if you want to be successful in business, you're going to, you know, it's a lot about like networking.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Oh yeah, I saw that.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
And her mom was standing next to her?
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
That's terrible parenting.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
For anyone who doesn't have a kid, they hated you.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Every once in a while, now I get some DM being like, I don't know why you get all the hate that you do, but I love you.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
It's mostly my fault because that was definitely, that was how people complimented me early in my bachelor days. Cause like people wanted to let them know that like, I'm the one fan that you have. You know, I wrote for you, Nick.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
I will say shout out to all the people who came up to us in Whistler and said hi, who listened to the podcast and introduced yourself. It was lovely to meet you all. Thank you for saying hi.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
A couple of headlines before we jump into Love Island with our friend Trey. Jojo confirmed she's in a relationship.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
I want to say this very carefully because I love Jojo. I'm happy she's happy. She told me about it last week. You know, my sponsor, I was just like, are you happy? She's like, very. And then I'm happy. I guess this Chris guy, Jojo has nothing but lovely things to say about him. I don't know anything about him other than what is on the internet. His ex-girlfriend, what did she say?
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Which, again, might just be a bitter ex.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Yeah, just an ex being an ex. The ex is exing. But, you know, like, JoJo is like a little sister to me. And JoJo is 22 years old, you know? I mean, I don't know. Like I remember being 22 and, and falling in love and having romantic feelings and having people who cared about me. Like, you know, I hope Chris is everything that Jojo thinks he is today.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Cause love can be blind and I look forward to meeting him. And I hope, how old is Chris?
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
It's about like, you're going to go to events and you're going to need a partner to do business with type of thing. And I was like, Like, yeah, you know, but she's great and blah, blah, blah. And she was like, trying to like, tell me like my current girlfriend was just not it.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
He's 32. He's 32. Okay. That's fine. I mean, JoJo, you know, one of the things I loved when I met JoJo is like, you know, I met her on Special Forces, as you guys know. And, you know, there was a cast full of people, you know, professional football players, NBA players, you know, Bodie Miller, Olympic skier who was like, you know, JoJo was a leader in that group.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
She is, she is a very mature, very self-confident. She's a badass, you know, she's also 22, you know? And so like in, in, in some ways of life, JoJo, uh, she would make me feel safe in certain situations. She knows how to handle herself. So I have no doubt about JoJo, but like, again, love, love fucks us all up. And I'm, you know, Chris, I'm just saying, just treat her right.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Be the guy you are presenting you are today, but
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
I'm happy she's happy.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
What's the recipe?
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Anyways, we were at this dinner last night and it was, you know, it was an important dinner and it was just like, it was cool to have Natalie there because like, she's such a boss and like just to, And it really is true.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
All of New York just deemed Kylie Jenner a good luck charm.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
They're like, she's in Indiana. We're going to win. She would never come to Indiana. Unfortunately, they lost.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
All right. Coming up in a moment, Trey Kennedy to talk a little Love Island and then following Trey, we'll get into the Valley. I want to talk also just we, you know, we didn't want we're going to talk Summer House Thursday. I know many of you probably watched the episode last night, but I do. There's a lot of speculation about like next season. What's the cast going to look like?
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
You know, who should stay? Who should go? We're going to talk about who we think of the current cash should stay, should go. If you were the casting director for Summer House, what would that cast look like for you? If you haven't listened to the Going Deeper episode from yesterday, Dakota is on, and oh boy, is it a doozy.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Obviously, one of the most talked about men on The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Also, can't really talk about it today, but there is a big announcement coming out tomorrow that I will just say I'm super happy.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Many of you who are listening now know what I'm talking about. And yeah, it's going to say we promise you fireworks for the Fourth of July weekend.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Like, you know, you don't know sometimes who you end up with or who you marry and like you don't know how they're going to handle themselves and in certain environments with certain people and to be able to like have you, you know, just like kick ass in that type of environment is something I really appreciate.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Oh my God, so many extra fireworks.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
But it was an honor to be a part of this project. So is Trey ready to go?
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Well, it's the time of year where the weather is unpredictable. Is it hot? Is it cold? You know, sometimes one day it's beautiful out. The next day it feels like winter again.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Well, if you ever experience that, look to Mack Weldon to make sure you are staying comfortable. Their new tech linen line combines the easy charm of classic linen with Coolmax technology to help you look and feel your best all season long. Explore polos, sweaters, hoodies, and more at MackWeldon.com and get 25% off Your first order with code V-I-A-L-L. We are up in Vancouver right now.
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The weather is unpredictable and I have been relying on my Mack Weldon to keep my body regulated. They're not flashy, just classic, always in style and made from the world's most comfortable performance materials. Truly, all the men in your lives are going to love it. So think of them. Father's Day is almost here or you don't even need a special occasion.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Just think of your man and get him some Mack Weldon.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
There's just something beautiful about an outdoor space. Natalie and I got this new amazing teak outdoor dinner table because we like to have dinner outdoors sometimes. Sometimes it's a nice evening, you want to take dinner outside, have a little picnic, but classy.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
But also if you want to make your man work for a living, you can do that too. But also Wayfair, they will help you put it all together, making the process super easy and fun.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
And just a reminder, if it's not the outdoor space you need to upgrade, every room in your house can get an upgrade with Wayfair. Our studio, we relied on Wayfair to make sure that it looked as good as it does. They truly have it all.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Trey, welcome to the show. Great to have you.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Amazing.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Is this your first time? We discovered Trey. We discovered Trey. He's very, very funny on social discovered. Does a lot of, a lot of bits for reality TV. It seems to be also a big love is blind fan. Am I right?
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Yeah, we are. We are deep, deep into that show.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Before we get into Love Island, since we have you, and since you watch a lot of Mormon Wives, do you have any hot takes, faves, people you'd love to stick around, people you don't understand? Give us some Mormon Wives hot takes, Trey.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Anyway, so we got done with the dinner.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
First time I interviewed Demi, I was calling her Demi. And then Brett, her husband, graciously explained to me, well, her name is Demetria. And he's like, if you sound it out, that's how we get. I'm like, no, I get it. I'm sorry, you know. Yeah.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Can we do a quick Google search?
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
It sounds like he didn't like he had a cup of coffee with the Oakland Raiders, but still, that's a big deal.
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was he playing was it was it his mission or was he on the team that's something we got to look into but i yeah maybe he checked out the locker room yeah he showed up at the uh at the stadium tried to get him to convert to mormonism and they signed him instead uh yeah i i too trey am a big whitney fan are you equally as obsessed with her hospital video you're familiar with that correct uh oh
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
It's a miracle. As discussed, people, we did have a very long night. I do need that pick-me-up, Justin, if you can go ahead and play that for us. This is a rite of passage for us, Trey.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
I don't want to play this shit.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
I could use the motivation. The point to the baby at the end. That's my boo.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Just so you know. All right. Love Island. So you are you you are new to the island world.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
i was just like all right i guess we're in we're in yeah we're we're trying to get everyone converted i mean last season was the first season for us so like it's it's you know everyone's welcome to jump on whenever whenever they're ready yeah it's just it feels like summer is here when when the islanders show up and you know i'm gonna give peacock a pass it's episode one they're filming in fiji they got a quick turnaround you know technology is hard do you have the bandwidth trey for the 72 episodes a week that they release
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I was very intimidated. I mean, that's why we didn't start getting into Love Island until last year. Cause I was like, I don't have the bandwidth. I just can't, I can't do it, but I don't know what it was, but there was something about like, as soon as it got done, I was like, I'm ready for tomorrow night.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
And then you start, you start, if you really get into a tray, you're going to be like, oh, this, this show is filming right now. Like most other shows, right? It's like they filmed this shit a year ago. Are they even still together? What's going on? And you start thinking about like, what are those little guys doing? You know, what are they doing right now? Is it avocado toast time?
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
You really start thinking about them.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Like 24 hours, 48 hours.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
No. And that's, what's crazy is like, you know, being on reality TV is a bizarre experience, but like you'll, you'll go, usually you're in your bubble, you film that shit, you come out and then you're bizarrely like back to your normal life. No one who knows who the fuck you are. You're like, it just feels like you went on this really crazy summer camp experience.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
And then it airs, and then that's a whole different other experience. These people, especially last season, when they got, like, world fucking famous, they get out, and everyone knows who they are.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
It's fun. It's charming. Natalie's making everyone laugh. I'm talking to people.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
You're not casting 35 year olds and saying make out with two people five minutes into the show now, you know, like that's, that's not happening.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
I'm being business like, you know, we're talking strategy. And now it's like 940. It's like 930. And we're like, oh, we got to go.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
That's literally why I almost never got casted on The Bachelorette because I was 33 at the time and they're like, this guy's gonna be fucking boring. And I was like, try me.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Do you think any of these ladies are aware of Ace's Instagram following? Doesn't he have like a couple mil? He's very influential. He's a YouTuber. This is not his first rodeo.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
That's kind of the genius of this show where they like immediately make, it's like, all right, you're a couple, you know, not knowing anything about him, literally at all.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
But like now that you're a couple, it immediately puts you in a position to look shitty, you know, because as soon as you start kind of like looking around and have an interest in another person, you have to like figure out, you know, what do I say to my girlfriend who I forgot her last name or first name?
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
I do already miss. Fuck. Aaron. What's going to be our new fuck? I'm really looking forward to figuring out what that's going to be.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Did Nick get kissed at all? I feel like the ladies don't seem to be into Nick. I know he made out with someone.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Yeah. Also, like the people's body order. I'm imagining, you know, these women are going to be like starts with it. Was it you? You know, blindfolds. You're not fooling anyone like, you know, you're getting kissed by.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
The bombshells are bombing. They're a couple of hotties. You know, we got a Brit. Sexy voice. Seems like a good looking guy. And then who's the lady from Arizona?
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
I feel like Arizona is like the West Coast, Florida. You know, it's just like it has a reputation for partying a little bit of trash. Is that fair? Unfair? Sorry, Arizona.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Yeah, and well, if you're familiar with Whistler, it's an out-of-season ski town. And apparently, gas stations close at 10. It was 9.56.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
accurate yeah it's like what's like the state with the highest std rate i feel like it's got to be like arizona and florida like i would know the answer to that it's definitely not oklahoma no yeah it's mississippi what has the highest rate of sexually transmitted diseases in the united states sorry arizona and in 2022
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Well, maybe in the Bible belt, they're just like not practicing safe sex. Maybe that's, you know, maybe that's why. Maybe Arizona might be promiscuous, but they're also safe.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
I think both these bombshells are here to stay.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Trey, you're married, so you're in love. So let's say you meet your wife. You fall in love early in a relationship. What breakfast are you making her to seal the deal?
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
You don't go box pancakes. You go homemade. You go scratch.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Okay. Good for you.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
It's actually really easy.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
I like to throw one extra egg in there. Do you go also baking soda and baking powder?
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
I don't do the cinnamon. Okay. There's a lot of cinnamon people out there. I'm assuming you do the same with your French toast.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
When I realized we had 10 kilometers of gas left. And for all you Americans out there, 10 kilometers is like, I don't know, five miles maybe of gas.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
that's going to be solid.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
She got a buck town. Is that where you go in Atlanta?
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Buckhead. Buckhead. you go to bucktown i was trying to seem like a world traveler you know i've been there a while for sure you took her to pound town that's crazy i didn't ask him to close the deal on the first day it sounded like you did you take her to bucktown i'm sorry i don't know
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Where's Katie now? Is she taking care of the kids?
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Not going to get you very far. That won't get you to Vancouver. I'm immediately going to panic. I got my entire family with me, a full car. And it's like, you know, where do we get gas?
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
I kind of hate the good guy. What is like, you know, like any any self-proclaimed good guy usually isn't. It's like, you know, agree.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
That means he's not looking for a relationship. It's it's giving fuck boy. All right. I'm going to go nine just to be Trey.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Nine out of four.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Who's the one who likes ace? Does ace like toes?
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Okay.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
trey do you have a what is it not wikipedia with topedia whatever i am on i'm on foot finder wikifeet last i checked yeah one of those yeah yeah maybe that's it i last time i checked i had a really good score can we look up trey's uh can we look up his score yeah let's actually share the screen share it with the class show everyone some people like that 4.9 out of 5 last i checked
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Mine's like unclear or something.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
That just looks like five stars, period, across the board.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
yeah okay good i i purposefully cover them no i don't have an account they don't fuck with me like that trey that's wild that that's like a recent photo of them i didn't know people were still here hunting my hey they're watching they sure are trey uh other than your website and for you people can buy tickets where can people find you plug away tell the good people where they can enjoy your content
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Trey, thanks for coming, man. Glad to have you. Please come back anytime. Go check out Trey, buy some tickets, see his show. We'll see you soon, Trey. Thanks for coming on, buddy.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
It's also like just like sleek and looks good up against your wall. We all know that like, you know, workout equipment is bulky and heavy and it doesn't look good in any room.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Uh, it's, uh, it's giving sleek. It's giving fashionable. It's, uh, it's really a great, it's something all the guys can use. The ladies can use it's for everyone. It's amazing how many different exercises you can do the training available. It's like, save yourself all the time in the world.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Stop going, you know, commuting to the gym, changing at the gym, wasting time, being bothered at the gym, getting hit at the gym. No one likes that. Get yourself a tunnel and enjoy your workouts.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Well, first of all, I mean, I think a lot of people who live alone have two bedrooms. I don't think it's that crazy to be like, what is your other bedroom for? Like, I don't know. Storage? She's crushing life. My shit? My stuff? I don't know. Like...
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Yeah.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Calm the fuck down. As far as like her not telling people, I think she has every right to keep that to herself. You know, like people are judgmental and they have a lot of different opinions. It's her kids. I think mom's parents have full discretion on how and when they disclose that. Like, I mean, sure.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Eventually, like minus it being like Love Island, if you're dating someone in the real world, like sure. Eventually, if you're on like date four or five, like you might want to like tell people you have kids. But I think if you're not comfortable with that, like that's your call. You know, I don't know. I give parents a lot of especially single moms out there.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
I give them a lot of runway to disclose that that type of stuff. So I'm I'm cool with it. I have no problem with it.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
I'm like, all right. So we get back in the car. I call some people. Uh, I'm like, what? Uh, I don't even know if we have enough gas to make it back to our hotel that we were staying at at Whistler, you know? And I'm like, I guess we're going to have to wake up really early to get to Vancouver. I don't fucking know. I'm kind of freaking out.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
I feel like that's kind of why most people are not enjoying Jasmine on the show because it just feels like everything that comes out of her mouth is...
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
This is the ugly side of reality TV, which is like, this is why I feel like people don't think Jasmine's like a good reality TV character because it feels very performative. It feels like I'm saying this to be on TV. I mean, say what you want about Janet, say what you want about Jesse, like that's who they are. That like, you know, like them, hate them. Like they're great reality TV characters.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Like the fact that Jesse obsessively wants to look like a good guy and he shows up and does what he does is like, that's what makes him a great reality TV character. Like Janet, like, you know, like her or hate her. I like that she is on this show. She is a compelling character. Nothing that comes out of Jasmine's mouth feels authentic. It feels performative.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
And then like, that's the ugly side of reality. TV for her to like be bringing this topic up something that didn't even happen on camera and trying to like destroy this man's character for the sake of a storyline is crazy behavior I was gonna say too I think like a good reality TV star is
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick, and we are back in Vancouver. Natalie is asleep.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
But my main concern is I can't run out of gas with my entire family in this car in the middle of fucking nowhere. And just to get a mild complaint, Whistler, I get it. I, you know, I'm new to your town. You guys have been a very charming, very successful city for a long time. So fuck me. But like Whistler, even this off season is a, is a very busy tourist city. There's like dirt biking and stuff.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
I just wish that would come up, not in a way of like throwing her friend under the bus and seeking a fourth apology for something that he's already apologized for multiple times. And then on camera saying, you know, I thought I was over it, but like, I don't know, maybe I'm not as if she's deciding not to be over it just for storyline.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Like, yeah, we would love to hear about your relationship and we would love, you know, the representation. It's just, she's going about in a way that just feels inauthentic and performative.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
And like, well, there's a clip going around of people being like, this is the same Jasmine from next season. And like a bunch of people have sent it to me. And like Jasmine's in the comments being like, this is iconic. And it's like, oh, well, since we're just like not getting over shit, like why is this iconic?
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
The truth is like, you know, I know Jasmine didn't appreciate, you know, she got into her backstory. Like I did not appreciate the way the show like sexualized me on that show. So that's not necessarily the fault of the women. But like there was a great deal of the people on that cast that like leaned into that narrative.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
And the truth is like the way that like boundaries I had set communicated were like laughed at, ignored. Like if I told you like the specific details of some of the shit that went down that I had to like put up with and go through in ways I was made uncomfortable, like jaws would be on the floor. And I'm not here to like,
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
you know bring up old shit for other people to deal with it like it's it's a crazy environment but like Jasmine was blackout drunk from like week four until she went home and like so much so that after week four in Wisconsin like she got so drunk and like did some shit that like I asked to like have her sent home and went for whatever reason was told I had to wait a couple weeks in week five when we got to New Orleans I was like hey did like what did she have to say to what she did and they were I was told like she doesn't remember so I avoided her in New Orleans oh wow
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
And when we got to the Virgin islands, when she like choked me after she got blackout drunk again on the volleyball day. And I was just so fed up with like her behavior. Like the reality is like the stuff that she is accusing Danny of her behavior and the way she made me uncomfortable was infinitely worse. And like, Have I since like laughed it off or choose to let it go? For sure.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
You know, there's, it's not the middle of nowhere. There's, you know, there's, Traffic, you know, pretty regular traffic, even at 10 o'clock at night. Does no one need gas?
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Like, again, like I give all those people grace in that environment because like, there's just a lot of, you know, who knows? I don't know why they chose to act the way they did, but like, again, like in this performative behavior, regardless of how I felt about her behavior, like, or the fact that I have decided to get over it, the behavior itself was insanely inappropriate.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
And for her to push this narrative on this person, who again, we all know has apologized multiple times, and she's accepted his apology multiple times, and for her to keep bringing it up while simultaneously joking that what she did to me was iconic, feels kind of messed up.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
There were several people in that cast who, again, like didn't give a fuck about any boundaries I set or communicated. And Jasmine was one of the biggest offenders of that. And like, again, whatever I have moved on, I'm over it. But like to see her go after Danny in this manner while completely dismissing her behavior is fucking wild.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
I mean I feel I felt for Jana and Jason in that moment of just like who the fuck is this person like it was literally like they were like oh this person's our friend and then they turned a switch and like created this scene and they were both like who the fuck it was like they were both rattled as hell Jason literally was like he kind of almost called it out he's like this is fake you know like and I know what it's like to be on reality TV and you realize someone's doing a scene you know in Bachelor World you feel it a lot where you're like what the fuck is going who what is what are you doing
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
There's no open gas station in 20 miles, at least. Yeah.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
She's trying very hard to stay on the show.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Danny, who has four kids under four, who is like, again, like his behavior was inappropriate and not OK. But like the way they are going after this guy.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Like lights are off. It's pitch black. I'm like, I'm not getting out of the car here.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
And I want to be clear. I'm not saying I'm not over what happened on the show. It's just like it's just like annoying to see her act this way and call out this behavior with. Well, it's just hypocritical.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
We got we got Jesse spending Michelle's money and being more focused on looking rich than like providing for his family. We have him trying to veto doctors in the middle of his wife giving birth. And but no, let's let's focus on Danny getting like too drunk.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Oh my God, yes. Oh my God, this was horror movie. This was absolutely horror.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
It's crazy. But Matt, Jesse is just not present in this show.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Give me more Kristen and Luke.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Yeah, Luke's another... Also, I feel like a pretty stand-up guy. I mean, like, even Andy Cohen said, like, The Valley is the darkest show on Bravo. Like, I do think it's getting... Like, don't get me wrong. Love the drama. But, like... Someone who used to be called Crazy Kristen, who seems to have done a lot of work, who has been vulnerable. We've seen her mature and grow on TV.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Give me some aspirational shit once in a while here. I'm just tired of the Jack Taylor check-ins where he gives this performative growth.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
And we also see what he's doing now in present day.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
It's a stroller.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
I hope we get Luke changing diapers. Season three.
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She was trying really hard. Did you see, she got obviously some heat from last week's jump in. And she gave, I don't know, she was like in the comments arguing with people.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
well the editors definitely did her dirty she definitely said something and they just cut it out so it looks like she's just standing there I don't know like maybe they did cut it out but it was so good that they cut it out I doubt it like if it was worthy of TV they would have kept it in you know like I don't doubt she said something and I don't doubt she said a lot but like you know
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Like, I don't think that no one's no one's there being like, you know, has a bone to pick with with anyone that they're going to take out good, riveting content because Lala Slade. And I will say, like having Lala come back last week, I was like, you know what? Put her in this cast. I'm ready for it.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Do we have to talk about everything to normalize it? Listen, Whatever you want to do, people, whoever you are, it's okay. You know what? No judgment zone. Be you. If you're an adult and it's consensual, have a party. Pop off.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Don't need to talk about it. Like again, we all have bodies. We get it. You know, again, it's just like to T and normalize that between you and your doctor and your doctor.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
We're all humans. We all have funky shit going on. Like, let's not be so insecure. We need to blast it on the internet or on TV that we have to have everyone be like, you know what? Same. I have an itchy asshole too. Like we don't.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
just assume everyone's butt itches at some point in the day or online we all see the wiggle yeah you know like it's you know like you have jock itch great shut the fuck up you have bv awesome i've also been there once or twice in my life but like we all don't all need to know what your vagina smells like yeah i'm sorry you're gassy today you know what same but like shut the fuck up
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Which is fine.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
First episode. First episode.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
I'm not familiar with Zaxby's.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Like, it's her brand deals.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
What the fuck?
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
I'm rooting for her and Riley's friendship. If nothing else, they are giving when it comes to, like, having no shame talking about their personal lives. I could not imagine River getting older, starting to do brand deals in her teenage years, getting a boyfriend, and then going on a TV show and openly having this fucking boyfriend of hers talk shit about us.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Like, we're bad parents if that's what happens. It's our fault. I just, that's my nightmare. some fucking guy talking shit about us on TV. I love my mother. I I'm proud of the relationship I have with my mother. I consider myself to be very close to my mother. Bit of a mama's boy. No, no shame in that. Boy, Brooks and Meredith, they are close. They are close. That photo shoot.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
But the people love it. The people love it, though.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Give me more.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Listen, I think this show has a lot of potential. Love a New York-based reality TV show, especially since Roni is having its struggles. Just like whether it's Sex and the City or Next Gen, you give me life in New York, I'm going to give you a shot. But let's put respect on Vanderpump's name here. Let's not just call it already the new Vanderpump. These people have a lot to fucking live up to.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Do they have potential? Sure. Are we down to give them a shot? But first of all, we already have Southern Hospitality that's holding their own in that space. They're doing a decent job. We need to walk before we run. Let's not crown them.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
All right. Well, I think that will do it. If you haven't checked out the Going Deeper episode with Dakota, it is out now. People are talking about don't be the person, the one person in the world who hasn't listened to it. So much to get into next week. It's going to be crazy. Thanks for listening. Subscribe. Tell your friends all that fun stuff. We'll see you back on Monday. Bye bye.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
But we had already driven back to the hotel. So at this point, no fucking gas. And I'm literally thinking, do I do I go to this place that we were just at that didn't look like a gas station on foot? Because we're not we're we're not if we go there and it doesn't work out, we're not getting back to the hotel. But I call so I call the tow truck place and they're like, yes, it's it's there.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
We're drama.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
And I'm like, all right, well, I might be calling you if it's not because I'm going to need a tow. So we go there and sure as shit, like there were there were pumps there and it was definitely dark in the dark.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
It is probably 1045. No, it's like 1020, 1030. Yeah. At night.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
So, yeah, it's like, you know, and so it's like, all right, well, you know, it's going to be fine. We're going to get in at like 1215. Fill up the car with gas. All right.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Well, that's the thing, because every time there's this crisis and every time the car stops, River wakes up, she starts crying. So when you're feeling panicked and your baby starts crying, the emotional stress that creates is just, it's a lot.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
So anyways, crisis averted. All right. We got gas. We're heading to Vancouver. We are meant to stay.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
In a verbo.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
For those of you, it's not an Airbnb. It's like an Airbnb. You know, it's like a, not a hotel. Yeah.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Yeah.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
I'm already nervous because my team sends me like photographs, a QR code, all like pages of instructions of like, and it's, you know, I'm like, we're going to be getting there at 1230 a.m. And I'm already like this. This is this is going to this. This is going to be a problem.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Yeah. We just want to be easy to be around, easy to work with, you know, which I feel like we are.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Well, that's the problem when you become bougie and you have a team and people working for you. Not you guys. I'm not. I'm talking as you know, you guys are lovely. My other team, I guess, is that you rely on them to get shit done and then you don't pay attention to the things you like. You know, like I was just like, oh, where do we go? And they send me all the information.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
So the first time we're even looking at any of this shit is like 1220 a.m.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
We didn't do a whole like pre-show plan of how to check into our Verbo.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Yeah.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Oh, the email we don't have.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
She thinks it's 6 a.m. She's in a great... She's in a mix of great mood. As soon as she's disrupted, it's like... All hell. All hell.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
And she's going in waves of, hey... It's 6 a.m. I'm in a great mood to screaming like she's ever screamed before.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Shout out, Amanda.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Not working.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Thankfully, someone is coming out of the garage. So we were able to get in the garage. And I'm like, okay, I don't know. Maybe it was just the outside. Well, to get into the building requires the same QR code. And that thing did not work.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Like press a button for the doorman. He comes out. He's like, yeah, I'm sorry. We're sold out. You're crazy.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
Vancouver, you're popping off. Popping off. You are booked and busy. The weather is nice. People are coming to Vancouver. Congratulations to the Tourism Board of Vancouver. Truly. You're crushing it. You're absolutely crushing it.
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E946 - Love Island USA IS BACK w/ Trey Kennedy, The Valley, Next Gen NYC Premiere, and Vrbo Horror Stories
We have to set the stage a little bit. We were planning on coming and making the commute earlier, but a last-minute work-dinner got scheduled and it was important for us to be there. And so we made the executive decision to delay our commute, which by the way, it just reminds me, I think I've told you this story before, but like- The butterfly effect. No, not that one.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Es sieht aus wie Asbest.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
I'm not rich enough to know what this is.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Of course.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
How many fairies had to die for you guys?
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Also Nick can't pronounce anything. No disrespect to our queen. We made some waves. Vicky made some waves, it seems as though. Let's also just put it out there. We like to have fun. We like to be messy. But we do like to respect the talent who does show up on our show. We did green light, keeping in that hot mic moment with Vicky. We asked her. We asked her permission.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Warum war ein neun-Karotten-Diamondring auf dem Tisch?
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
I mean, we've been name dropping them like crazy.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
I think that's worth a diamond. I think that's nine carats.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Ich meine, Vicky hat dir gesagt, wie groß unser Show ist. Lass uns das klar machen. Das ist wahr. Ich erwarte, dass der 9-Karat-Diamond prompt geliefert wird.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Zu Natalie von Nick.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Ja, natürlich. Von Santa. Von deinem Mann. Von meinem Mann. Ja, Takori, wenn du zuhörst, bitte.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
What? I had a lovely night.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Do you think someday you will be hosting parties like this?
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
But he got that Disney money.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Ich glaube nicht, dass sie sich überrascht haben.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Der Lion King ist super erfolgreich.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Er kann Stuart Little 3 machen. Ich bin sicher, dass es irgendwo einen Taxi-Ride-Off gibt in diesem Event.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Ich denke, Schädel ist willkommen. Oh, ich kann ehrlich sein, ich hasse sie.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
The live actions? Yeah.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
We were like, hey, by the way, like this happened. We think it's funny. Are you cool with us leaving it in? Vicky, the queen that she is, was more than happy to allow it in and play ball. Because say what you want about Vicky. She is real. She is authentic. She is real. A little messy, you know, but like real.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
I try to stay offline, guys. I'm protecting my mental health.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
I would love to come home and have my wife tell me about how her and my daughter's day was.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
She got in my head. She facetimes me and she's like, which ones? I'm like, the fuck if I know? Which ones do you like? I didn't even know at this point. We were talking about shoes that did and did not fit her. Sweet. Yep. And so I'm like, haha, thanks. Yeah, the black's classic. Okay.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
We were so thankful to have her. She's a star. It was great. We had so much fun with her. We appreciate her playing along. Ich war ein bisschen, ja, es war eine wilde Geschichte. Sie ist eine Star. Sie muss wieder da sein. Wenn nichts anderes, was wir gelernt haben, ist, sie wieder auf TV zu lassen. Absolut.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
It's like who knew the top of your feet could give you a muffin top.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
No, here's what's up. She's trying to convince herself it is okay to overspend in these shoes that don't fit her.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
If they fit, then why did I scotch tape the bottoms?
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
I just want to know.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Aber auf jeden Fall, der Punkt ist, wir lieben Vicky und wir können uns nicht warten, sie wieder zu haben. Hoffentlich in Person. Nächste Zeit. Oh mein Gott, das wäre unglaublich. Und wir sind sehr dankbar für Vicky, für das Spielen und das Lassen, dass wir diesen Moment halten. Und sie ist nichts, wenn nicht eine Star. Ich hoffe, sie genießt ihre Verabschiedung.
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See monthly spending trends to each category and to know exactly where your money is going. Rocket Money will even try to negotiate lower bills for you. That is incredible. I know, because they've done it for me. Sometimes by up to 20%. Did you wake up to a good Spotify rap? At least?
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Well, I don't know where you guys were, but last night I was on my mandate. Me and my friend Peter, we went to watch Adam Ray's Dr. Phil show and we were getting play-by-play from Natalie. And I was like in a comedy show checking my phone to be like, what's going on at the party?
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
I don't care about birthdays. But selfishly, I do like it when our household lets people know their favorite show.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
She only likes it when you post the vile files as your number one most listened podcast. Yes, of course.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
If we're in the top three, you can share. Top three. If you're like four. If we're four, like honestly, keep it to yourself. Oh my God, Jax was on top.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Well, Taylor Swift is the number one most listened to artist of the year. Not shocking.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
I don't know how to look... You just go on Spotify. I know what's on my rap. It's called a podcast called Blue...
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Packers Podcast? Ja. Okay. You should look at your Spotify.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
It's got like six reviews. I'm one of four listeners.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Let's go. You're the .001% that listens to this every day.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
I listen to it on 1.2 speed and I will listen to episodes two to three times.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Like the same one? Yeah. That's dedication.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
No, it's because his voice is so soothing. It's just, it brings me peace. Is it Blue 58? Blue 58, yeah.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Sometimes, yeah. Rock my daughter to it, you know.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Sabrina was on Sierra's rap, right? So many times, I didn't even know. Please, please, please. She is single. According to a source from people. I forgot that her and Barry were dating, to be honest.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
I honestly thought they broke up a while back.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
They broke up, but I think they were super public while they were together. And then they broke up publicly. Then they got back together low-key. And then you just didn't see them together. I guess she was on tour, he was over here. But I guess, according to a source, they have broken up again. Wow.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Sie werden beide in Ordnung sein. Ich denke, das ist der Hinweis.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Ja, ihre Juno Positionen.
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Ja, ich glaube, sie ist so viel ein Freak, wie sie sich vorstellt zu sein.
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Mattel sued over Wicked Dolls. Oh, as they should be. I can't believe they put a porn site on. Come on. Protect your children. What the fuck are you doing, Mattel? Wicked. Whose fault is it? Is it Wicked or is it Mattel's?
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Für diejenigen, die nicht wissen, diese Mattel-Wicked-Dolls auf der Box haben Wicked.com. Und es scheint, dass Wicked.com ein Porn-Seit ist und das Wicked-Movie... Es sollte Wicked-Movie.com sein. Nicht Wicked.com. Ich weiß es nicht. Aber es scheint, dass Mattel nicht genug Mitarbeiter hat, um Fakten zu beurteilen oder ein schnelles www.ist-das-ein-porn-seit.com zu machen.
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Ich schwöre, dass niemand mehr Prüfungen lesen kann. No.
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Yeah, but they shouldn't be like informed.
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In case you haven't heard.
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Maybe it's just me, but I was like, as a kid, like I just ripped the doll out of the box. Like who's reading the back of the box? I know, I know, I know. I'm totally against it. All I'm saying is I'm just like, Who's going to the website?
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Ich weiß. Aber es ist einfach so lustig. Was ist ihr einziger Fan? Tom Erner ist eine Virgin und ein gewaltiger Christ. Sie hat 43 Millionen Dollar. Sophie Rain sagt, sie ist eine Virgin.
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Sie hatte Däumchen, aber kein Valet.
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Okay, also wir können alle später nachschauen. Wenn ich das Headline sah, dann war es so, oh, sie ist eine Virgin, sie ist nicht... Viele von ihnen sind nicht... Wir müssen alle auf OnlyFans sein.
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Wir müssen alle auf OnlyFans sein. Ich denke, jeder Mitglied dieses Haushalts sollte einen OnlyFans-Account starten.
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Oh Gott. Let's just see what we can do.
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If I can come close to 43 million.
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How is Tom Sandoval not on OnlyFans yet?
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Und hör auf. Gott vergesst. Er tut es.
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Ja.
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Weißt du, wer das nicht ist?
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Ich weiß es nicht. Vielleicht keine Nudes.
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I don't think we're going to make 43 mil.
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Also S oder S. Ich versuche, dass ich das Level der Kommunikation habe.
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So, what is this? Andy Cohen is basically explaining and justifying the Vanderpump reboot similar to the Roni reboot? How is that a good thing?
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Ever since American Idol. It's not good. It's not good.
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I'm still watching it in hopes. Letztes Mal war es okay, aber wir brauchen mehr Dramatik als alle von euch, die über einander reden. Und wer was gesagt hat. Es ist nicht wirklich Dramatik. Ich möchte nur, dass Jenna Lyons ihre eigene Show hat.
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Gut, ich bin froh, dass sie das beurteilt hat.
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Dein Schmerz hat es bereits beschädigt. Ja, du hast die Show mit zwei Episoden von einem Prank gebombt.
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Arianna Mannix reacts to claims of cropping? What did she say? Did she admit to it or not admit to it?
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Last week it was announced that they are doing this reboot and then, you know, You had all the cast of Vanderpump posting their goodbyes. I think my favorite was James Kennedy, where he was typing about how he's like, I'm crying.
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I'm holding back. People talk about crying in their messages. It's right next to the whole recording herself crying. Anyways, but Ariana posted some very curated photos of herself and some of her besties and excluding some obvious members of the cast, to which people reacted to. Yeah.
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Or if not a valet, a clear instruction of where to park. You should probably.
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Why are you just running, Ariana?
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Why are you just Pookie? When you acknowledge trolls, you validate trolls. As soon as you start communicating with people in the comments, you're validating their opinions. I don't understand. Just be petty.
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Du bist sicher nicht schmutzig.
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Wir wurden alle bezahlt. Ich brauche sie nicht zu bedanken, weil sie mit mir co-starrten. Fuck, Mann. Die Fans könnten sie bedanken.
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Schau dir ihre Posts an, wenn du ihre Fotos sehen möchtest.
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Stell dir vor, dass du von The Bachelor kommst. Ich bin so dankbar, dass ich jede Person poste, mit der ich auf dem Show war, wenn ich sie bedanken muss.
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That's all I'm posting.
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I think it's really great when you crop not enough to like you let people know you are cropping and you show just a little bit of the person that they can figure out who you're cropping. But it's, you know, that's the best. And that's kind of what she was doing. Yeah, this is amazing. So own your pettiness, Ariana. Just
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I'm sorry, once you engage with trolls, you lose. You give the power to the trolls. There is no good comeback to the internet. You are lowering yourself to their level.
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So she had her friend sew it and then showed up to a YSL? It's a little flat.
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Nein, ich denke, es ist immer noch ein YSL.
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DYI. Ich denke, es ist immer noch ein YSL-Bild, aber die, die Rihanna hat, sind groß und strukturiert. Raquel und Roni hatten den gleichen, den Britney hatte, in dieser Woche. Und es ist sehr flimsy, hält nicht die gleiche Form. Also denke ich, dass Bronwyn nicht lügt, dass sie drei von diesem Struktur haben.
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Ich könnte mit Bronwyn Freunde sein, aber ich liebe Britney so sehr als Hausfrau. Ich könnte mit Britney freundlich sein. Ich könnte definitiv etwas Hinweise geben.
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So lange du nicht Bronwyn und Britney in der gleichen Satz nimmst, bist du gut.
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Ich liebe sie beide absolut. Ich denke, sie beiden verdienen all unsere Liebe und Liebe und Respekt und Kredit. Ich denke, diese waren große Schuhe, die sie füllen. Sie haben sie wunderschön gefüllt. Ich meine, für Britney, ein paar Episoden abzulehnen und uns das zu fühlen... Ich vermisse sie. Ich vermisse sie so sehr. Es war so, oh, danke Gott, sie ist wieder auf meinem TV-Screen.
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Es ist so gut.
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Speaking of talking more about Bravo, we got obviously to get into the Ultimatum, which just released. We're going to talk about the first episode. And we got the wonderful Katie Lee, an American cookbook author, also former ex-wife of Billy Joel. But more importantly, reality TV fan and fanatic. And she is up next to talk about all things reality TV with Ultimatum.
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Before we get to that, so many topics I actually wish we had a chance to talk about. We will be talking about it this Friday on Pop Extra, your Vile Files plus Pop Culture topic that we drop every week and talk about your favorite topics we didn't get to talk about on Reality Recap.
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Salt Lake City is dominating. Is that the new Hollywood, Salt Lake City?
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Not backing down.
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When you say she's wetting her teeth, do you mean like online or literally?
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And people are caring why?
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That's it.
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It's now time for Vibes vs. Stats.
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Also hat er 13 Passen verpasst?
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Um es klar zu machen, Veronica Stone ist ein unglaublicher Name.
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I have to go Veronica Stone. So we're going Packers? I think we have to go Packers. Sorry, you're going to have to vote for the Lions this time. No, I'm not going Packers. We're all going Packers. We love the Packers. We love the Packers.
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Also, the number one fantasy football quarterback is Josh Allen, which got his 14 points on one play. That doesn't make sense.
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Happily married to another very successful, very cool woman.
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I was going to say, just kidding. It's actually Jalen Hurts as of this week. So, my bad. Josh on his number two.
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Seine Verletzung durch seine Weibes Entschuldigung oder den Ankleber?
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Die Straßen sagen... Matthew Stafford hat mir einen Pass gegeben, als ich beim Rams-Backer-Spiel war. Okay, das ist cool. Und er hat den Fußball gespielt.
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Ja. Ja.
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I'll go Rams. Okay. Okay. Okay. Alright. I like it. Alright. Well, that's it for Vibes vs. Stats. Up next, the incomparable Celebrity Chef, Katie Lee. Vessi is a footwear company that makes waterproof, breathable shoes. And when they say waterproof, they mean 100% completely waterproof. As we get closer to the holidays, Vessi ensures you're ready for every adventure.
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Whether you're exploring urban hideaways or enjoying the season's vibrant energy, Vessi has you covered for all season's surprises.
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Again, that's Vessi.com.
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I do want to be clear, though, when Natalie called me up on my Mandate at dinner, she was like, I'm at Crystal's gate, how do I get in? I'm like, I've never been to Crystal's house, I don't know, we should probably call Crystal.
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Well, the deodorant wipes are literally a life hack. Wherever you go, your deodorant wipes should be in your purse, your bag, your car, wherever you go. Because sometimes, listen, we either forget to put deodorant on or we don't put on enough and you don't want to get trapped in public stinking up.
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And all you got to do is bring out those deodorant wipes, wipe whatever it is that stinks and you are ready to go. You don't have to take off your shirt, you don't have to go find deodorant, you don't have to freak out. You just got to take out your Lumi deodorant wipes and you're ready to dominate.
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Lumi Soda Pack is perfect for new customers. It comes with a solid stick deodorant, cream tube deodorant, two free products of your choice including the mini body wash and those deodorant wipes. Hallo Katie, wie geht es dir?
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So gut, danke für die Einladung, ich bin gespannt, dich zu haben. Oh, danke, dass du mich kennengelernt hast.
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So...
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Ich wollte nur sagen. Oh, danke. Ihr seht alle sehr fest. Oh, danke, das ist Justin, der für uns gekleidet ist. Wir sind im Geist. Er hat einen guten Job gemacht. Produzent und Unternehmensdesigner des Shows. Sind Sie gerade etwas zu kochen, oder ist das nur ein Stück, das auf dem Stoff sitzt? Können Sie uns ein bisschen Küchen-Decor-Vorsprung geben?
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I think it's orange.
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The white is pretty.
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I'm anti-mayonnaise. Yeah, I'm an anti-mayonnaise.
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Not really, no.
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Yeah, I definitely was not a ketchup kid, for sure.
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I was a mustard kid. I know. Olive oil and mustard, that's really...
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Wisconsin. Ja, nein, es ist nicht ein Produkt meines Umfeldes. Es ist ein Produkt meines dysfunktionellen Gehirns. Ja, das sind meine Essen-Habit.
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Ja, ich mag Dinge auf eine bestimmte Art, Katie, sicher. Okay. Es gibt nur einige Dinge, die ich nicht esse. Ich finde Picky ein bisschen schrecklich.
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No vinegar.
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No butter and salt.
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Er kann nicht aufhören. Ich habe versucht. Es gab dieses ganze Thanksgiving-Episode mit Mehlballen und Turkey, das wirklich, du weißt, wir wollen nicht, dass du Zeit verpasst, Katie, dir diese Geschichte zu erzählen.
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Ihr schaut Bev Hills?
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Nein, das ist ein Arschloch, Katie. Ja, wir alle sind es. Wir haben versucht, es am schwersten zu beurteilen. Für ein bisschen haben wir es gut verwendet, auch wenn wir wussten, dass es es war. Und jetzt lügen wir nicht mehr. Es ist einfach nicht so.
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In der Zwischenzeit, dann schaltest du auf Salt Lake City an und Lisa Barlow versucht, auf einem Flugzeug zu fliegen, weil sie nicht fliegt, was außer der ersten Klasse. Und sie ist nicht fucking around. Sie, du weißt, sie ist dead serious. Und das ist die Authentizität, die wir lieben und genießen.
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Tell her we said hi. And tell her to stop being such a chicken shit.
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For coming on this show. No, tell her that.
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Well, you don't have to say those words at all. No, no, not your words. Be like Nick says stop being a chicken shit.
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She's aware I want her on. But when I met Heather, she pitched herself to come on the show. And then chickened out.
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But wish her well, because we love her. I mean, Sierra doesn't, but I...
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Ich glaube, es war definitiv ein Charter.
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Und das ist ein Profi, Lisa. Sie sah die Möglichkeit und sie sah es. Sie geht die Distanz.
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Oder Bronwyn wusste nur, dass sie 5 Millionen Dollar in Diamanten bekommen wird. Und sie war so, ja, diese Bilder können wir nach Hause nehmen.
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Du kannst deine Freunde nach Hause fliegen, oder du kannst diese Knöchel haben.
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Ja.
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We could text her and ask her to prove it.
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Please. We did ask her.
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Okay. All right. I won't do it right now, but I will text Sprawen and be like, is it real? Can you prove it?
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Bist du ein bisschen Angst vor Tamara in diesem Moment?
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He's just a guy who just doesn't care or understand these shows and he's just happy to let his wife do whatever she wants, but not happy enough that he won't complain about it. Das klingt wie ein... Ich verstehe das.
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What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of The Vow Files. That was weird. That was weird. Reality Recap Edition. I don't know. I just want to play around with new intros. Okay. Do people like the, what's going on? One day, five years ago, I did it. And then I just kept doing it. And I'm not honestly convinced it's good.
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Er wurde nicht für Realität im Fernsehen gemacht. Er ist ein Geschäftsmann.
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Sie machen es immer noch. Bronwyn geht nicht irgendwo. Es ist nicht so, dass er sagt, du kannst das Show nicht mehr machen. Er ist einfach mehr so, das ist seltsam.
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I also appreciate when people don't change their personalities for reality television. And I'm like, he's like, I didn't sign up for this. You did. But I'm not liking what I'm seeing coming out of you from being on a cast with these women, which is also not wrong, in my opinion. I'm like, I think some of them will bring out the worst in you in a social setting.
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As you see every episode, they're always fighting. Yeah, like true for him.
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And I don't think Kyle is that unselfaware or dense. I don't. I'm sure she's sensitive, but it's just hard for me to imagine that she doesn't understand. I don't know.
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Yeah, but that's a great... But they're clearly still leaning into like, are we going to get back together or not? Like, oh, he only signed a six-month lease. And I'm like watching it. It's just more like they're almost too civil.
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for a couple that is going through a separation and I can't help but wonder if they're if they already have their answer and they're both content with whatever that answer is and the answer I'm assuming is they're not getting back together and this whole like will they won't they is all for the They're just almost too civil.
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And sometimes it's just like, oh, I don't give a fuck. Like, I understand the assignment. I'm a professional TV maker. And other times you're like, you know, you were mean to me.
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They're so civil that every time I see them together, I'm like, get back together, please. Come on, guys. There's too much love and respect here. You're not petty. Just figure it out. But they're clearly not figuring it out.
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Yeah. To your point, Mary, if that's the case, then we need Kyle to come up with a new storyline.
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We need more airtime for Jennifer Tilly, I feel like. What are your thoughts on her, Katie?
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Do you know that she's the Simpson air now? What? Yeah, tell her now.
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He was like the creator of... Yeah, they kind of floated over it.
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Sie kann nicht aufhören, mit all dem Geld, das in ihre Bankkarte kommt.
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That speaks to Jennifer's potential, though, because she clearly doesn't need to be there. She wants to be there.
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Sie ist einfach da, um einen Vibe zu haben. Und sie hat wirklich viel Geld. Sie kann alles sagen, was sie will, weil es nicht wichtig ist, weil ich so reich bin.
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Wann wirst du mich schießen?
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Ja, wann wirst du mich schießen? Bitte schieß mich. Ehrlich gesagt, ich habe zu viel Geld.
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I watched a 45-minute episode. Right, right. But that's just what I came up with. It wasn't even me. I didn't even say it.
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Sie hat nichts zu verlieren.
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Sie hat eine Weihnachtsfeier am nächsten Dienstag in L.A., die wir gehen. Es ist viel Spaß. Sie hatte reale Schnee an unserer Feier letztes Jahr in L.A. Du sollst kommen. Ich meine, ich versuche, dass du kommen kannst. Ich versuche, dass du kommen kannst. Ich meine, du kannst dich einbringen, aber wie du weißt, ich werde. Ich meine, wir können dich fragen.
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Snow Globe, you got it!
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No, Kathy Hilton's Out of Touch is awesome. It's perfect, it's wonderful, it's so authentic. It's amazing, it never changed. And her ring light, her, what was that thing? Her ring. Her ring, that was, she's like, I'm gonna wear this today. And I honestly thought it was probably the first time she ever saw something like that. Sie hat es wahrscheinlich von ihrem Großvater verloren.
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Ich würde es nicht. Du hast definitiv das Resümee. Du könntest es machen.
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Does he have any notes on what they're doing wrong with this season?
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Das ist unglaublich. Do you have any hot cooking tips for us for the holidays? What are you recommending? Any quick hitters or how to impress at your next Christmas party you're invited to?
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Are you the only cook in your family or does your husband like to cook too?
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I love to cook. Natalie can cook, but I'm not I'm less bossy. I'm more judgmental. I'm more like I'm more like, why? Why did you do that? Why did you do it? Like, what? You're doing it wrong.
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Correct, yes.
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Literally, anything, it's just mayonnaise-based. It's just like, you know, American society feels like they should put a Chipotle meal on every fucking thing and a sauce on every, I just, that's it. Like, short of that, I eat everything. It's really just that. Stop ruining things with salt.
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To me, goat cheese is like mayonnaise adjacent. It's like anything white and creamy. Not for me. Like Alfredo sauce? No.
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Absolutely not. No cream cheese, no cottage cheese, no sour cream. None of those.
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If it's white, it's not for me.
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But the things I do cook, which are many things, I cook them very well.
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There's a right way of doing things and then there's a wrong way. And if you can't do them right, get the fuck out of the kitchen. Katie, do you have like a...
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It'll be like four in the afternoon. She's like, let's do something different tonight. I'm like, huh? It's four. I need to like go shopping. I need to process. I gotta read the recipe.
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Like, I know I can close my eyes and make steak tacos, you know, and make them quite well.
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Measuring if I remember, what is my relationship to this person based off the pressure of their hug?
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Oh, my favorite ones, she goes from one taste to another, you know, and her face will kind of be shocked and confused and curious all at the same time. I love it.
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Yeah, I'm definitely not trying to pass my bad traits on to my daughter, so hopefully...
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Yes. Got it, got it, got it. You figured him out.
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Und auch zurück zu der Doreen und Kyle-Konversation, ob das ihre Geschichte sein wird, muss ich sagen, es ist wirklich traurig zu sehen, weil beide dieser Frauen durch ziemlich ähnliche Situationen gehen. Ja. Und sie sehen, dass sie sich mit einander verabschieden, anstatt zusammen zu arbeiten, sich einander zu helfen, durch die Verbrechung zu gehen.
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Ich möchte, dass sie doppelt verheiratet sind, wie 28-Jährige. Ja. Das ist das, was ich sehen möchte.
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Twins. Ich wollte mehr für die Frauen unterstützen.
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Twins, Twins, noch besser. Ja, das ist so, wie sie sich unterstützen sollten.
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Mo macht es. Warum kann Kyle nicht?
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Ja, das sind nicht die Chancen, die ich dieses Jahr sehen möchte. Ich möchte, dass diese beiden zusammen banden.
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Ich habe es noch nicht gesehen.
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Ich habe noch nie einen Film gesehen.
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Wir warten vier Wochen, bis er auf Demand kommt. Ja, genau.
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No, I gave my opinion on the press release, which I've seen a million times because it is amazing.
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Yeah, we have to hold space for that. You seem like you've met a lot of famous people. Have you ever been starstruck?
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Wow, das sind zwei gute Namen. I would take it.
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Ja, das ist, das ist, ich meine, gut gesagt und sehr wahr. Ich vertrete, wie sie es verhandelt hat. Und ich denke, sie bringt eine Bewusstsein zu einem sehr schrecklichen Problem, das unser Land und unsere Kinder haben, wenn es um den Zugang, den unsere Kinder haben, zu diesen legalen Drogen, die die Äquivalente von Heroin sind. Das ist wahr.
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Tough situation to be in, but yeah, it's definitely as real as it gets when it comes to topical conversations. But again, speaks to the authenticity of Salt Lake City. You cut to that real conversation to like, the women of New York are playing pickleball, yay!
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Von Traders.
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No, no. Which I respect, because nor would we, nor would you, which is why... Right, which is why I wouldn't be a housewife. But it's like, you signed up for this, like, what are you doing?
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Come on, deliver. Anyways, any fun Christmas plans? What do you guys do during the holidays?
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Maggie, das wäre so viel Spaß. Wir würden gerne Freunde sein. Ich weiß nicht, wer euer Mann ist, aber ich versuche, sein Freund zu sein. Und wir können über Realität TV sprechen. Wir haben sicherlich viel zusammen zu tun. Und dann können wir über Küche sprechen.
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Ich liebe das für uns.
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Can I ask you a small personal question? You can tell me to fuck off. Do you guys ever listen to Billy Joel?
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Bill, ah, spoken like a true ex-wife. Yeah, I love that. Iconic. Katie, thanks so much for joining us. So much fun. Can you please plug whatever you love to plug and tell us all the great stuff that you're doing?
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Alright, we'll see you then. Get in touch.
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Take care. Alright, so much fun. Lovely. Can't wait to hang out.
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Alright, it's time to get into the Ultimatum Episode 1. Guys, for those of you who don't know, the Ultimatum Season 3 on Netflix came out last night. I think there's like 5 episodes for us to watch right now or something like that. Ich habe nur den ersten Teil gesehen. Es ist ein viel zu sehen. Wenn ihr euch etwas über den Wochenende anschauen wollt, dann schaut euch das Ultimatum an.
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Wir werden in Episode 5 auf Tuesdays Episode of Reality Recap. Aber es gelingt. Ich genieße es. Ich fühle mich, weil es die selben Franchise ist, Love is Blind, die selben Kreatoren, die selben Macher, Nick und Lachey, Vanessa und Nick, oder was auch immer. Nick und Lachey.
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Nick und Lachey. Sie machen ihr Ding. Sie sprechen über ihre Beziehung und wie sie zusammengekommen sind.
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Ja, sie hat ihm ein Ultimatum gegeben. Es gibt nicht genug Realität-TV-Schläge, die Kumpels und Beziehungen besuchen. Die Kumpels, die sich fragen, ob sie verheiratet werden oder nicht. Ich bin sehr gespannt auf das Potenzial dieses Shows. Ich bin wirklich... Also, wir hatten in der ersten Saison, das war vor einiger Zeit, und dann hatten wir das Queer-Ultimatum. Das Queer-Ultimatum.
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In der zweiten Saison.
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Ich habe gehört, es war sehr müde. Ich habe es nicht gesehen. Ich habe es nicht gesehen. Ich bin sicher, es ist noch für mich vorgesehen.
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Dave is on my shit list. First of all, I was like, I've never seen this show. So this is like mind blowing for me, where I'm like, if Connor looked me in the eye and said, we're doing this experiment, but just so you know, I might match with somebody during this dating.
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He goes, I find her interesting.
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Und er sagt, wenn die Frau von uns rauskommt, finde ich es interessant. Und ich bin so, okay, Mikes off. Ich werde nicht zu dir eingegangen, Sir.
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Und seine Antwort war, sie ist 24. Und er sagt, ich habe nur gesagt, sie ist interessant. Und ich liebe, wie das für ihn ein Deterrent war.
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Oh ja.
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Wie wenn er, oh mein Gott, ich wusste das nicht, aber jetzt bin ich noch interessierter.
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So it brought me a lot of joy.
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It's great. Who do we think... There's so many interesting relationship questions that are revealed from watching this show.
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Yeah.
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Do you judge people's sex ability by their horoscopes? Is that actually a thing? Are people being serious about that?
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That's clear, watching this show.
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Es ist auch der einzige Zodiac-Sign, wo ich denke, dass das gesprochen wird. Oder es ist wie, oh, nein, Scorpio ist verrückt in der Sack, aber du hörst nicht über Capricornen oder Leos oder irgendwas. Es ist wie Marketing für Scorpios.
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Großartig. Nein, sie sind Menschenverliebte.
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Wir lernen alle. Ich bin zu Abend mit Peter gegangen und er fragte mich, was Nathalie heute Abend macht. Ich sagte, das ist ein großer Moment für Nathalie. Auch als wir nach Hause für den Weihnachtsfeiertag nach Savannah kamen, macht mich nichts mehr begeistert und stolz, als wenn wir die Straßen anschauen.
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Sie ist weg. Ich glaube, sie hasst ihn. Ich hoffe auf noch einen Vanessa und Nick. Um die beiden zusammenzuhalten.
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Nick und Sandy. Nick is dating Sandy, because she's hot. Ja. Und er will glauben, dass es mehr ist, als es ist zu dieser Beziehung. Seine Stimme ist, ich finde es schwierig, sie zu entdecken. Es könnte mich ändern. Ich weiß nicht, wie man... Sie sieht aus wie... Sie sieht aus wie Jess von Love is Blind. Sie sieht aus wie Emily Ratajkowski.
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Mhm.
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Das macht Sinn. Um dieses Show zu machen, musst du in den gleichen Leaks sein. Du kannst nicht, richtig? Du kannst nicht wollen, dass du deinen Kurs verlassen kannst. Es ist schon genug hart. Es ist verrückt, weil jetzt hast du Mark am Ende von Episode 1, der Klassiker. Ich denke, es passiert, es passiert in Season 1. There's always one couple that's like, I don't think we need to be here.
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This isn't for me. I already got the answer I want. It's always the one guy who can't make a connection. But in fairness to him, he's got literally five options.
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You're talking about Dave?
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Dave, I'm sorry. Dave, Dave, Dave. No one likes Dave.
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Dave's main option that he thought he had the best connection was like, I have no chemistry with you. And then he was all of a sudden like, wait, maybe I should propose. And I'm like, oh, it drives me fucking nuts.
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What was the game that they played that ended in drama that they all knew? Oh, it's Heads or Tails and they all flip heads?
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Jedes Mal, wenn wir nach Savannah gehen, gibt es einen oder zwei Momente, in denen wir in Savannah gehen und Nathalie weiß, dass wir jemanden kennen aus ihrem Vergangenheit. Wie in der Schule, im Bart, was auch immer. Und es sieht immer so aus, als wäre jemand ein Lokaler. Und es ist immer so, du hast es gemacht, Mädchen. Natalie ist wie... Natalie ist wie Sweet Home Alabama. Und ich liebe es.
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They all flip heads. It was also like adult telephone. It was like them telling a secret and then if they flipped heads, then they have to share what the secret was and answer it.
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Just ask the question out loud and let's get to it.
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And she's like, shut up, no.
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It definitely makes you appreciate what you got. It's a good way to really... I guess. I don't know.
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I mean, I don't think I would.
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That's true. No, you did issue an ultimatum. And then you set your boundary.
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But can we talk about that for a second, though, while they're playing these games and everything? And I'm just like, you're looking at your ex, but they're still technically your partner because they want you to propose, but then they're talking about who they would... Es ist so verrückt. Es ist so verrückt. Es ist unglaublich. Es ist unglaublich, weil ich nie so etwas gesehen habe.
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Und ich bin überrascht, dass es nicht mehr physische Kämpfe gibt. Es ist wie, diese Männer hassen sich.
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Wie viele dieser Leute sind eigentlich auf dem Weg? Wie viele Leute sind... Du weißt, Sandy liebt jeden Moment von ihnen. Oh, ja. JR?
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J.R. with the awkward hand on shoulder during the conversation. I was like, tell me you're trying to make your ex jealous without telling me you're trying to make your ex jealous.
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As a daughter of a pastor, do you feel like you have a better connection with J.R.?
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Thank you for bringing that up. For the men, for the ten men listening.
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No. J.R., it's a violation of cologne. Bro, you do not need that much. First of all, cologne is expensive. You're wasting too much cologne.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Nicht, wie ein Spray. Und dann, wenn du willst, wie du weißt, wenn du andere Teile deines Körpers holen willst, dann schmierst du einfach den Teppich nach dem Spray, bekommst ein bisschen Residu, nimmst es an deinen Rücken, wenn du willst, nimmst du es an deinen Rücken, wenn du willst, nimmst du es an deinen Rücken, wenn du willst, nimmst du es an deinen Rücken.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Er war, er war schlafen. Er hatte, und dann, warum ist er, ich sah, sein Körper war nackt. Nachher. Er muss nicht sagen, Puddle, Puddle. Was hat er gesagt? Er ist, wie hat er es beschrieben? Balls und Buttock, Buttock, behind, behind. Er hat gesagt, behind.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Es macht mich wirklich stolz auf meine Frau. Weil einige dieser Leute... Und nicht mich falsch zu machen. Natalie hat ihre Kritiker von zu Hause. Aber der Punkt ist, sie lieben sie, sie hassen sie, sie kümmern sich um sie, sie zählen auf sie. Und ich denke, es ist... Diese Leute schauen auf sie wie, wir wollten alle, was du gemacht hast, und du hast es gemacht. Und das macht mich sehr stolz.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Just say down there.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
He was an Axe-Kid that graduated to cologne. He hasn't changed his routine. How much cologne do you wear, Justin?
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Yeah, that's the normal amount. I dab on the wrist. You're not paying attention to my routine, baby. You're not a dabber. I do watch. I'm not being seen by you.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Because I'm still putting in the effort.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Can you say maybe there's a chance tonight?
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
If I smell good? Will you come closer?
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
I knew I was getting some. There was no scrabble. It was just us. We made love. Oh my god. We fucked, I'm kidding. Oh my god.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Sie sagt, du willst, dass jemand dir aufmerksam macht und nett ist und deine Freundin ist. Und er sagt, ja. Und sie sagt, das ist nicht, wer ich bin.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Sie hält ihre Hand. Sie hält ihre Hand. Sie ist eine dumme Freundin.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Ja. Sie haben definitiv... Als sie die untergewandten Finger gemacht hat, war ich so... Und sie trinken alle. Ich dachte, das würde jeden Ex-Freund von heute senden. Ja. Von heute. Und sie hat einen großen Vorschlag. Ja.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
It's insane. I am addicted. Guys, if you're looking for something to watch this week and get to work, it's on Netflix. It's the ultimatum. I mean, I'm assuming most of you guys are all watching it, but like we all know that there's just a limited things out there to watch. And this is if you're looking for a competition dating show. This is the one you should be watching.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
We will be talking about it. It's time for us to go. We'll see you on Thursday. Well, this is Thursday.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Have a great weekend, everybody. Go watch The Ultimatum. We'll see you on Monday. Bye.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
But anyways, I'm thinking like my wife, who I met when she was like bartending in Savannah, is now at a party with Paula Abdul, by the way, she was there. And a bunch of housewives, my babe made it. So anyways, we don't know that we're supposed to bring expensive gifts. I didn't know. I didn't know.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Doesn't mean it's good.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Ich war so, lass mich auf Josh gehen. Das ist der einfachste Scheiß Wein, weil es einen Preispunkt von 30 Dollar hat. Du warst so, lass mich auf Trader Joes gehen.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Sometimes I like it when we just turn it on and we're like balls deep into a conversation.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
I have a picture of me and Paula.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
No, no.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
No, absolutely.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
How was the party last night? Everyone, if you don't remember... Well, actually, none of the... I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I've got too much going on in my head. Too much going on. Natalie went to Crystal Minkoff's Christmas dinner party, ladies only-ish. Found out that some husband showed up at the end. That was a little disappointing to find out. Sorry, I had plans.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
And she was like... She was like, I'm just... I don't know.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Legend.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Es gibt Dumpftrucks von Geld. Ich meine, metaphorisch. Sie kann versuchen, ihre Bankenkarte täglich aufzunehmen. Sie konnte es nie machen.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Hatte sie Geld mit dem Geldstück, das sie brachte, eingepackt?
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Oh my God. We need to get Gentile on.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Should we make a podcast with Jennifer Tilly?
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Du warst nicht klug und knallig. Nein.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
It was like, I absolutely believe Vicky. I think Vicky is in her own universe.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
We appreciate the honesty.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
I had a mandate last night. It was cool. But I think we need to address the elephant in the room. We need to address... Vicky, how do you say her last name again? Gunvalson. I'm not even trying to be a dick. Gunvalson.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
But if she acts a fool, we're going to still call it out.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Yes, she is okay with that. She's cash. Those checks are cashing.
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
War es besser als meines?
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Pomegranate?
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E850 - Holiday Recipes w Katie Lee, The Ultimatum, Crystal Minkoff Christmas Dinner, Spotify Wrapped & RHOBH
Ich dachte, du würdest es sogar einfacher machen.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
When the episode started and she's like, hopefully we can take a cast photo. And she's going to be the one. Knowing she's the one who won't take the cast photo.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
And I'm like, wait, are you telling me, like, how old was this prince when he answered the door by himself and a witch showed up? Like, where is his parents? No mention. How many years went by? You know what I'm saying? Like, they made it seem like his 21st birthday?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Well, I think when producers and executives of Bravo get brought up, I think they have to tread carefully, or it becomes kind of a convoluted, complicated issue of, like, what can I say and not say? Dorit obviously brought it up. I took her, like, quietness or, you know, not saying anything back more like, I don't know, like... I don't know how to address this.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I'm just going to stand by what I said. Because it's definitely possible that, like, well, Dorit made a very good point. Like, that was a great argument for Dorit to make. But maybe she got asked back after... producers had a conversation with Dorit and said, we need more from you. We need more honesty, yada, yada. Then Dorit does what she does. And you know what I'm saying?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
So like maybe Dorit's giving us half of that version and Kyle's just like, you know what? I said what I said and I'm just going to leave it at that.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
It is tough. It's dangerous. It is tough to... I mean, listen. She intimated. They're going through a divorce and all. She did intimate. But the way... That statement from PK... Dirty as well. Yeah, I know. I have the statement. No, it was. I kind of like I agreed with his statement. Yeah.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I do think that's a real problem. issue. Yeah. When you go on a TV show, it can change people. When you go on a TV show, it's all about exposing the intimate details of your life and family and marriage. It often causes problems.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
It is a choice. And that is a line. I'm sorry that like once you cross it, it's
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
You can't go back. And it's just, you know, the way people talk about like their spouses, I think matters. I mean, like there's one thing to give each other shit and being on the joke, whatever, but to like behind their back, like question their character, how they are as parents is, I don't know. That was tough. It's dirty.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
It's like, it's hard for me to hear her say that and then say things like, well, he's my soul. He's my heart. You know, it's like, huh? Like, I don't. Yeah. Like, how can you say that and, like, still hope to reconcile, you know?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
And then Andy brought up, obviously, is it the glam? Is it this? And she even acknowledged that. And I don't know what she's spending. But these glam teams are not cheap. And if every time Dorit's doing an interview or an appearance and she's getting full glam, that's thousands of dollars. And if she's doing that on the regular, she could be spending 10, 15, 20 grand a month on clothes and makeup.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
romanticizing the past of their relationship versus like celebrating who she is today I mean it's I mean you know this is her job right so on one regard I get like she's like hey I mean like I have a career this is my job I'm finally doing something I'm providing for our family she's probably making more than him at this point but on do you think that was touchy for him though and like
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Maybe. I mean, there could be some ego involved, for sure. It's just very complicated when your job is... Right. Yeah. Yeah.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Yeah. It's like the witch turned him into a beast. It's because he was a spoiled little brat.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Right now, Bose is like team DeRee. But like, I have a ton of respect for Bose. As far as by my count, she has not been wrong yet.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Like she's, she's batting a thousand. And I think she just calls it straight up. I just, every time someone comes at her, she's like, but this, this and this. And they're like, damn, she makes, cause she always makes sense. But she, Boze is not a mean girl. And I just don't think Boze is going to stand. If Dorit gets a little cocky and I don't know, aligns with some of these other women.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I don't think Boze is not a follower and I don't think she's. So if that's the case, I predict a fallout. Maybe. With Bose and Dorit.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Yeah, because she's like, when people say stuff about me, it doesn't impact me. It doesn't affect me. I know who I am.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Regardless, what did you think? What did you guys think of Erica opting out of giving whatever designer any credit when she was like, oh, I had some designer. I can see both sides now.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I mean, I'm not like fine. I get it. They're teenage. I'm just saying, why is this prince alone in a castle by himself with a bunch of servants?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Yeah. When it comes to that type of marketing or branding, in our experience, a lot of people have no problem asking for free marketing without... And it's like they both want it because they think it'll add value to their business, but they don't like to acknowledge how much value that might be. And they still want to get paid. And it's... If Natalie's right, I see her side.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
You think Erica was looking out for her designer's behalf because she didn't want to attach her name to that? No, I'm saying.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
They said as the years gone by, like implying 30. You know, like.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Also, I'm sorry. I wasn't married to a criminal and then accused of being, you know, maybe corroborating with said criminal. I don't know. An accomplice. An accomplice. Yeah, sorry. Corroborating.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Come for me. Come for me.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Yeah, I mean, that was a dirty thing for Erica to say.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
So we're these women who just, like, decide who hasn't been picked on enough and then just focus their energy on that person.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I'm with Kyle there. It's just like, it's not... If she wants to respect her friend, if a friend comes on as a favor for whatever reason and...
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
And asks to not be a part of it. Like for the rest of the women to just demand.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
And it could affect her. Yeah. It's like. Yeah. I was definitely team Kyle there.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
When Andy, in the beginning of the show, like asked Kyle before the reunion actually started about like the double standard. Did any of you understand Kyle's response?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I was like, huh? I don't even know what she said. But I was like, did you? Did you hear his question?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
If you're going to go after Kyle, just go after her for just like clearing up. Are you her and Mo? Cause I'm just tired of that scene over and over. It's just whatever. Uh, next week, uh, our guest is, uh, acting with Kyle on the hit show. Wild cards. Giacomo is up next. For my wine lovers out there, if you are not a First Leaf subscriber, you are missing out.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
It's just like maybe you want to stock up, and then it's like a whole ordeal. It's heavy, like the bag breaks. I mean, stop.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Giacomo, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for having me. And now I'm saying it right. It's Giacomo, not Giacomo. Yes.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
So did you, yeah. And it was, were you ever, did you ever like give yourself a nickname Jack or?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I'm not, I'm like you guys. You know what I mean? I'm not different. My best friend, his name is Marcos. And he'd be like, yeah, my name is Marcos. Marcus? Mark? Yeah, Mark. Fuck it.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Yeah, exactly. Especially in college, you know, basement parties, everyone's drinking. It's really loud. Yeah. He was like, I'm not going to yell it three more times. Why is everyone calling you Mark? It's a long story. So you are performing with Kyle Richards next week or acting.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
As River gets older and we go back and rewatch some movies. You know, I'm paying attention, Disney.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I have it on DVD. You want a horse movie and cry? Black Stallion.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Thank you.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Thank you.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Then Natalie, before we turn on Beauty and the Beast, turned on The Lion King 2. And then she turned it on. I was like, wow, this is low budge. They really mailed this one in.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I don't think we need to do sequels for...
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I mowed a lawn for the first time.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
In like 20 some years. I did it as a kid over and over and over and like living in the city for the past 20 years. You're stuck with your thoughts. Yeah. And so like usually in LA, you know, I have someone mow the lawn. Sure. You have a patch of grass. It's like, whatever. Yeah. Here's 25 bucks. You know where to store them. Yeah. But then I mowed a lawn.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
It was like really, it was like, I'm going to keep doing this because you put the AirPods on, you listen to some music or a podcast or something and you just kind of zone out. You zone out. Yeah. It's great.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Do you have a type of character or a project that's always been kind of a dream of yours to try to play next?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
All cult leaders have to have some pretty good, nice eyes.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Rob Minkoff had nothing to do with The Lion King 2. He would not make such low quality. I hope that's true. Can we make sure he's not in the credits?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Have you seen the second gladiator?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Yeah. That was probably maybe the big only gripe I had because it was never going to live up to the first one.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
How did they transport them from whatever ocean they got them?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
You grew up on The Lion King 2.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Is Rome your favorite city in Italy? Like, if we were to go back to Italy, I've been to Venice. There's
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Sure.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Just like the opening sequence. It's like, these are not the same quality animals.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Before she started learning Italian, would you ever like say things behind her back in Italian if you're really mad?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
She's like, I'm going to remember that.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
But then if you land here, you have to go back three spaces, roll around.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Oh, same. Yeah. The second one's better. The second one is better.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
But these are like real things that happened?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
They either really happened on a reality TV show or they were an actual scene.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Or someone wrote it. Oh, in like a fictional TV show. And you're going to have to guess. Okay.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Did the writers write this or is this real life for some people? Okay.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Fievel goes west better than American Tail.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Did she get banned from an ice cream shop?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
What do you mean you put her on the show?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Is this an alleged?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Did he ever watch Housewives? He was in it. People talk about rumors a lot if you're... it's not a way to fly under the radar yeah anyway next up we have returning a puppy you got from a friend to a kill shelter oh my god that is horrible that is horrible why am i why am i afraid it's reality tv
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I only saw this first three minutes. Maybe it gets better. Not that I'm getting everyone mad at me. A lot of people are also mad at me after having Joel Kim Booster on, in particular.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Well, I mean, Dorit should have, like, made sure whoever she gave this dog to.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
It's good character study. It sounds vile.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
That is what it is. You're just like, this can't be real stories. Yeah, yeah.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I'm going to say written. I'm going to say written.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Yes. You know the scene where the big shot lawyer comes in and helps the smaller one. They team up and then Aaron Brockford's character kind of goes through all the phone numbers. Yeah. He's the male lawyer who comes in, who's the big shot, is playing Tom Girardi, Erika Jayne's husband.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
No. Tom Girardi, before he was a scumbag, was a lawyer who successfully went after corporations and seemingly helped the small person. He just ended up stealing their money. Yes, of course.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
That's our game. I learned a lot.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Giacomo, this has been a lot of fun. Thanks for coming and chatting with us. Everyone, check out, if you haven't already, season two of Wild Cards, especially next week. If you are a big fan of Kyle and Housewives, tune in. You see Giacomo and Kyle work together. It's a lot of fun, and we appreciate you coming on. Thank you, guys. It was a lot of fun. Thanks for coming.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Listen, I wasn't taking back... Team Shannon. I just didn't feel the need to crucify the guy. He said he was sorry.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Well, that was fun, Giacomo. What a sweet guy.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Giacomo. Well, thank you for Giacomo for coming on the show. Giacomo. It's a fun word to say.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Well, I'm excited to see that episode of Wild Card with Kyle.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Not me not knowing she was an actor.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I watched Halloween for Kyle Richards.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
They are. Kyle?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Okay, all right.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Okay. Well, Sydney Sweeney is less fun to say.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Sydney Sweeney is single.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Sydney Sweeney is single. I can't.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
It's so hard. The men of the world rejoice.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I'm going to go by the way of Tyler.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
And I'll sit back in my chair.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I really, I think her and Glenn just need to do it.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I mean, date.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I don't like we are all good.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
But they're just both extraordinarily hot people.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
She was not down for the fun.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Didn't you spend New Year's Eve with her? Mm-hmm. And Glenn. Mm-hmm.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I mean, listen, I get their actors and I get they got a movie to promote, but tough.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
They're on the red carpet and he's like caressing her. Oh, my God. And then people are like, wait, he's married? Like, no one knew. And we're like...
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
What do you think about it?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
He said he was like wrong for you. I'm supposed to put him on trial after that.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
It was like literally any woman who ever watched that scene turned to their husband and said, why don't you look at me like that?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
And it was like, well, because they're acting.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
He's got a wife and that's not her.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I don't feel like guys who are fans of her are calling her a sweetheart.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Well, they're just perverted. Yeah. Exactly, yeah. But she leans in, you know?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I just don't see the need to, you know, it's just like, well, I'm sorry. Well, just so you know, you know, like sometimes when people are like, I don't want to like let it, you know, where it was like, Grant's like, my bad. And then she's just like, just so you know, it's just like, what do you want me to like? It's not my... It's not my fight.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Relationships sometimes end and it is sad, but.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Well, we're wishing everyone involved the best, especially Glenn. Up next, the hilarious comedian Eliza Schlesinger has a new hilarious special out on Amazon and she joins us next. There's so many great shows out there that we're watching and sometimes they're on different platforms, different streaming services, and sometimes you sign up for those services just to watch your favorite show.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
The show ends and you're still paying for something you're not using. That's where Rocket Money can come in and save the day. Rocket Money is a personal finance app that helps find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions, monitors your spending, and helps lower your bills so that you can grow your savings. It really is fantastic.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I mean, there's so many apps out there on your phone that you've tried, you forgot, and you are being billed for them, and you probably don't even realize. I found out that I was wasting so much money. Rocket Money saved me over $1,000, and they're saving their average customer up to $740 a year. It's truly phenomenal.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Rocket Money's dashboards give you a clear view of expenses across all accounts, easily create personalized budget to help track spending, get alerts if bills increase in price, unusual spending activity, or you're close to going over budget.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I still agree it was really harsh and really inappropriate for him to say he said as much. What am I supposed to ban him from the show forever?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Eliza, welcome to the show.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
How are you? This is great. We're talking candles and babies. Can we talk about your set?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I think you handled it well out of respect for Joel being in person, but I could see why Shannon might be like, wait, didn't he just have my back and now... He's flip-flopping when he's in front of... I'm not agreeing with Joe's choices of words against Shannon, but he says he was sorry.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Does it make you want to talk and open up?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Well, how have you been?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I've been on a real green cake.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Kelly green?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Oh, like almost neon-ish.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
So cold.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
You know, just kind of sit next to each other. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I don't think he gave himself that name.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Where else are you going to go? You're going to get divorced after 11? Which one are you in the 11? I'm the second oldest.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Oh yeah. I was, I'm an only child with 10 siblings.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Yeah.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Yeah.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Well, I have a sister older than me and then I have two sisters after me. And then my oldest brother is seven years younger.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
So I just kind of did my thing. It was very.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Well, no, they had two girls in between. But Michael's brother is seven years younger.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I'm six months closer in age to my father than to my youngest sibling.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I do think that's true.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
And I was like, oh, how is is to like parenting two children versus one? Like how much more difficult are we talking here?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
You got lectured by your nanny?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I would have a hard time getting parenting notes from my nanny.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
How'd you find her?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Joel Kim Booster and Shannon Bedore. We've all said things in the heat of the moment. Has Shannon not said things to people and have to apologize? Are we no longer friends with these people? Come on.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
So, yeah. Your movie about like an ex-boyfriend that was a crazy story.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Tyler Cameron's in it.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
A nice little scene.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
He was real hot back then. You know, he's still hot, like physically.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
But I remember we have a mutual friend, Alon Gale.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
And I saw you do a stand up a long time ago and you told this story about this crazy story about this ex. And I remember when the movie came out, I was like, I know this story. I've heard her tell this story. It's such a crazy story. Can you remind my audience just a little bit of background just because we have a lot of daters who listen to the show.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I'm curious if she'll say something because he made it sound like they're fully made up but I've never seen like a well he didn't make it seem like they were fully made up but it was like a you know I apologize we may never be close friends but like I felt like it was like you know we've moved on oh yeah he taught me a new word in that sentence reticence but he said I understand her reticence and not
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
It was believable, but like.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
It's a great movie. Thank you. It's very funny, but it's a dark comedy in a way.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
accepting it at face value or like maybe thinking that it's not as genuine but he did apologize like I don't know so great word it's like Doreen saying intimate oh my god Shannon if you're listening Natalie Natalie has your back she she that's why I was sitting very stoically for a while and then I said and what is your relationship like with Shannon today
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Thank you.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I mean, you know, what are you going to do? Also, Tom Sandoval and Victoria were on Going Deeper yesterday. If you haven't listened, you should check it out. What did you, Natalie was not here and it wasn't because of the last interview. No. I felt like I'm happy for him. I feel like people, time to move on. He seems to be doing some work.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I'm not saying he's like this completely changed man, but I will say, I think you could do far, far worse than having a friend like Tom. I do. He's definitely not perfect. I'm not sure I would still want him to date my sister or anything like that, you know, but I don't know.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I think you guys should check it out if you haven't listened to it already. I mean, the man's, you wanted the guy to take accountability. You wanted him to make some meaningful changes in his life. And you can decide for yourself whether he's done that. Who else have we pissed off?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
what's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of the vile files reality recap edition i am your host nick and i have a small bone to pick with the movie beauty and the beast oh my goodness we watched it last night with river we decided to call up in bed it's fun it was cute it was great i haven't seen it in a long time good movie yeah
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I don't know.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Cousin Rico.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
You don't think there's any misdirect maybe?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
No, but like they could have just had a body bag.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Some people are convinced he's just playing himself, though. But it'll be interesting to see what his next role is.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Well, our guest today, it's a fun episode. We have Giacomo. You know him from Grey's Anatomy and Wild Cards.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Yeah.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
When Parker Posey's character was trying to convince, like, are you okay? I know some real eligible men.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I'm very nervous to say his last name. How do you say his last name?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
It's really Southern. Very good.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Giacomo Gianotti. You just got to just say it, right? Giacomo Gianotti.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Wisconsin.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Yeah.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Yeah. And then Milwaukee. I did both.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Yeah.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
But like Jackson Hall, that's because everyone there is rich and boring and doesn't want to laugh.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
And at first, like it was like they were just trying to get people on it.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
What was your first date?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Did his parents just know he was going to be sexy?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
You can't name your kid Giacomo without being like, you got to be hot.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Is there any other kind of tickling?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I love cooking yeah I don't get that I'm not a professional chef but
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I'm not a crust kid.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I just think there's a certain way of doing things, right?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
My name is Giacomo.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
He is with us to talk about season two of Wild Cards. And also next week, I believe Kyle Richards makes an appearance on Wild Cards. So it'll be fun to talk with him. Obviously reminisce about his time on Grey's Anatomy, which I know many of you are big, big fans of. Also, we got Eliza Schlesinger with us as well. I'm sure you've seen a lot of her stand-up.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Did I say hate or did you hear hate?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Like a whole meal? Yeah. Without me being involved? Yeah.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
No, I cook for everybody.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Yeah.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I would love that. I love to grill.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Gas.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Gas is good.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I'm very good at cooking what I could, what I know how to cook. Like what I know how to cook is very good.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Like, I just don't care. Yeah, if I leave town, it's Chick-fil-A or Thai over there.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Yeah.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
She's got a new stand-up out now on Amazon. And we are very excited to talk with her later in the episode. We watched White Lotus in preparation for the finale, which I guess is like 90 minutes long.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I don't remember the last time we were, we just were killing time walking around the mall with no agenda and it felt terrifying.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
But then we bought a La Labo diptyque. Then I lost it.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Because we were walking around the mall. Oh, you set it down.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
We set it down.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
So I went back and bought another candle.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Oh, my gosh. Yeah. And I went back to the store. He's like, you want another one? I'm like, yep.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
just here to get another $85 three ounce candle I didn't even look at the price I didn't even want to look at it don't let it ruin my day don't check that credit card statement having a slight just a little extra disposal income allows me to not like worry about like if I lost something why is the candle why are candles so expensive Great question.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Same reason probably why perfume and cologne is for no reason.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I like that. I really...
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
You need to make sure we're covering all our holes. Natalie thought she had cracked the case.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Extinguish immediately. Try it.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
It is. The more you know.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I mean, watch her special. But like that movie that she did with Tyler Cameron that's on Netflix. I forget the name.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Good on Paper. It's a good movie. It's a dark comedy. And it's a very much a very true, well, based on a true story. If you love like a true crime, like, you know, man fakes or lies about his identity, like it's a doozy. You should check it out. Thanks for listening. Guys, next week, we have a great week lined up for you, as always. But our Going Deeper episode is a real banger.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Your jaws will be dropped. Mary is like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Remember that one part was wild.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Yeah, that phone call.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I just want to say that I'm glad that my opinions have been confirmed.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Told you so. Anyways, we'll see you next week. Bye. Bye.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Well, anyways, give the people the obvious.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Who keeps fantasizing about killing himself and his entire family. Correct, yes. Was he going to do that? Like he went to go get the gun.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
He was like ready to go. You know what? Fuck these people.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
That's dark.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Who do you least want to die?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Rick and her.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I'm a huge Rick stan.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I'm glad it got closure. You've never seen it? No. I watched the first season.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
But yeah, no, I'm team Rick. He's really, he's been on a journey. I think he's turned a corner in his life.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
He didn't get his friend to relapse. His friend relapsed.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
But in the beginning of the movie, the story is like the young prince was kind of a prick, and then the witch came, turned him into a beast, yada, yada, yada. And then there's this flower that wilts away, and then on his 21st birthday, he has to fall in love or he's a beast forever. And then they're like, as the years have gone by.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I'll be really sad if Rick dies. Yeah.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Belinda Rett, the mom.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I don't think she will.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I think it's time for Greg to die. He's been...
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Well, the only thing that was really triggering for me, and I hope that our kids aren't like, you know, like Patrick Schwarzenegger's character, when he was like, my whole life is like wrapped up in this. Like, I don't know what is in our kids' futures. I just hope they're resilient. And I hope that if their world crumbles around them, They get the fuck back up.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
They dust themselves up and they just move the fuck on and figure it the fuck out. And if that means they have to start over because mom and dad lost everything, so fucking be it.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
We're not going to raise weak people who are just obsessed with our success.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Well, Beverly Hills Housewives reunion part one is out. What do we think? What do we think?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Listen, I'm glad that Garcelle stood by her opinion. You know, I mean, like, and I'm like you with Joel Combooster.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I didn't stand... I always said some really harsh shit about him. I just felt like it was a little much.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Yes, I was quick to apologize by saying what I said.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Oh, yeah, I mean, listen, he did his homework, and he's like, you know, we had an opportunity to get him on, and then he went back and listened, and I was like, yeah, sorry, you know, it's... I got a little spicy.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
All I'm saying is Garcelle is not the only person in that group who thinks and says that. And she's just the only one who has the guts to say it out loud.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Sometimes you have to. That's the thing. And that's where I do criticize Britney, though. I don't I think like Jesse and Michelle, like someone has to be the bigger person.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
She has said a plenty in the past year.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Yeah. I mean, comments online, interviews.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
They can both be toxic. They both can be the problem. Like Michelle and Jesse, they're both the problem. Jax is clearly a problem and the problem. But yeah, when you go on national television and start trolling your husband about like his poor performance in bed that he didn't watch what happens live, it's like it's a choice.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
But her saying that, do you think that's going to bring peace into her life and make her life easier or harder?
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
I agree with that. I mean, listen, I'm just saying like, you go on TV and you act this way.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
I'm just saying, it is hard for me to have empathy for anyone on this show about protecting their peace.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
It's called therapy.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
I mean, if you're going to pick a fight, at least a fair one. Yeah. I mean, not even fair. It's just more like give yourself a chance to win, you know, where it's just like he did pay for it.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Yeah. I mean, again, I'm team Brittany in the like, who do we like more? I'm just talking about like outside of the, you know, this is not like teams. This is more like she is. I don't know. I don't think she is doing things that are making life easier on her or her family.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Yeah.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Might not. Yeah, but I'm pretty sure it is.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
I'm sure... I bet in Michelle's world, yeah, probably, in this moment and time when she says it, Jax is in therapy, seemingly, and she and Jesse's out there, like, calling her an escort.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
And I think I empathize with Michelle in that regard, because like Jax is so needy, not only with Brittany, but like with his friends that he does in a weird way, victimize himself constantly. And now he's like in a weird way, getting some kind of sympathy, even though like he is Jax Taylor and kind of like an emotional terrorist.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
And like Jesse is just like in his kind of coming out party as an emotional terrorist. So hold my beer.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
I mean, I don't know what to believe when it comes to Jax, but, like, his behavior suggests someone who is, like,
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
what's going on everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of the vile files reality recap edition i am your host nick and hope everyone is having a wonderful thursday we have a great show lined up for you later this episode laura lee and manny mua will be joining us to talk all things pop culture some reality tv they're big fans of all of the above and i think recently they uh were on a plane with some of the love island people so maybe they have some tea what's going on in
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
It's a great show.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Until next week, I guess. And apparently they are filming the reunion this Friday, which I think is probably earlier than they usually do. But because Kristen and Nia are like about to have their babies, they're recording it this weekend. So maybe there'll be tea.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
You lost your mind at Jesse.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
want it all from them yeah well nia and danny will have to drive in from santa clarita oh yeah oh yeah they also didn't have a reunion last season closed on their house they did they cost on a 1.3 million dollar home in santa clarita and it's really cute because honestly like when they shot and you know when they show like where they live and the it's like the apartment building and all these kids it's like wow the tight your neighbors hate you my neighbors or theirs all right up next uh laura lee and manny mua
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
What I know is that the doctors literally call it liquid gold. And now it could be yours too.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
First of all, it was a lie.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Yes, it was. You don't think it was a lie? No, no.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Of course not. Yes, of course not.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Well, welcome, guys. How are you? Good. Thank you for having us.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
And welcome to the show, Laura.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
It's good to be with you guys. I heard that you guys, you were at Stagecoach or Coachella? It was Coachella. It was Coachella. And you guys were on the same plane as some of the Love Island people? Yes, we were. Who were you on a plane with? Okay, we had Taylor, Liv.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
These are not sophisticated, covert men. If they really thought a mole was in the group, they would just start asking around. And to Nia's point, like many of these husbands have wives and partners who have their cell phones. So this is not like a locked...
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
He's a fun, positive energy. Just kind of like, hey, keeps the spirits high. Always there for a good time. Very golden retriever.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Honestly, I text Kayler a couple weeks ago. I was just like, hey, if you're in town, you should come back on the show. Didn't hear from her.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
But what was the energy between Liv and Kayla? They were really good.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
They were filming like 10 TikToks together. So this is maybe for the drama. Oh, maybe for the show. Maybe for the show. I think they're leaning in.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
They know what they're doing. They do. They've also been teasing potential, like, Kendall, Liv...
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
No, I thought it was Liv. Kendall-Kaylor.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Because was there any, like... Zero. Zero.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
You thought they were siblings.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
state secret like secret security group chat that no one's getting into if you know what i'm saying and at this point in your life if you really have like a boy's group chat that like somehow is like you're discussing things that like your wife shouldn't know about like grow the fuck up literally it's so icky and he's like it's like 20 guys in this group chat and i was like no
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Did you guys watch The Valley by chance?
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
That's my interview.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
If you guys like TV, then... I mean, if you say you like TV, then I would assume you'd be watching The Valley. Okay, so what's it about?
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
And?
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Uh, Kirkconnell? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
And then she wouldn't tell anyone. I was expecting her to be like, I am on the news.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Well, maybe she is on the new White Lotus.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
What's that vibe where they had a fancy place wearing sweatpants that, like, clearly they spent $300 on?
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
It is me. Why do you think the Hailey Bieber thing was a glitch? She just said it. She said it was a glitch.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
I want to meet Jesse. I've invited him on this show. We'll see if he actually comes. I will say, to his credit, I don't know if he's paid attention to what we've said about him. He has replied. He's shown an interest. And then he got a little... Quiet? Got a little quiet.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Oh, I definitely don't think she unfollowed him to get attention. I would believe it was an accident.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
I think glitch means accident.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
I've accidentally followed people only to immediately unfollow them. And I've accidentally unfollowed friends. I think I have. I'm pretty sure I have.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
okay okay so he is like hayley yeah i don't think it's totally impossible yeah i've i've noticed people follow me only to immediately unfollow me you know how do you know oh notifications on does it tell you i've never had instagram notifications i've had the app me either I used to in the past. Back in my Bachelor Nation days, it was very much like high school. It's like, is Nick the villain?
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Is Nick not the villain? Can I be friends with him? Can I not be friends with him? Or women who had been on my season or people whose seasons I had been on or things like that. You want to know what's happening. I had noticed that some people had followed me. I was like, oh! I'm going to follow me. And then I was like, not following me anymore. Huh?
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Like I, you know, so like they clearly like, does it notify you when they unfollow you?
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I think you can get an app. I didn't have that. But like in the story I'm telling, I noticed they followed.
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And I was like, Oh, no, not, not following me. So that can happen. I do think accidents can definitely happen.
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You know what I actually find to be believable? It's more like I believe that there's a chance. And I actually kind of feel a little uncomfy talking about this because more than anything, I just think we need to leave Haley alone when it comes to Selena Gomez and the level of pettiness that her fans, Selena's fans, not Selena. I think Selena's completely innocent in all this whatever drama.
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I don't think she has anything to do with it. I think her fans just... Our fanatics? Like, I believe that it would be possible for Hayley just, like, on, you know, she's on Instagram, whatever, like, Selena posts something, it comes up in her algorithm, she's on her page, and then she, like, accidentally double-taps. And so as a distraction, then she unfollows.
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not sure but like I just every episode he he does something that I honestly just like is he just doing it for the bit you know is it like his friend is Jax Taylor and maybe Jax has had him down and been like listen man it's all a game it's all fake like if you're fine with people thinking you're one of the
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And then out of fear, pure panic, knowing that Selena's fans are going to notice this and freak out, then she decides to unfollow her husband to distract people.
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But I'm just saying some version of... Something like that could happen. She accidentally did something else, so she's like, I'm just going to unfollow my husband because they'll notice that. And we're fine, so whatever. I'll have people speculate.
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I do think. I know accidents happen online when people are searching and browsing and if you're a public figure, yeah.
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I once had my, I was working out, had my phone open and I was like on an exercising bike on, on Instagram and the sweat, my sweat, sweat drip down, hit my phone and it started like glitching and like started liking shit. Oh my God. The sweat drops like this.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
That wasn't me. It was my child. It was not me. It was my child. I have no idea. So accidents do happen.
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worst men on this planet like you you can have a job and be on tv and like yeah it's all you know is he doing that because honestly some of the stuff he does is so off-putting yep and so gross and disgusting i just can't i i can't does he watch does he do this show watch the show and hope that some people are his fans you know like is he i i'm like are you going the spencer pratt round being like i will be the biggest villain in the world and have everyone hate me to love me
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So he was a trader the whole time.
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He's like, I'm literally just here for school.
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When she talks to her sisters? Yeah. When she comes back from Alabama?
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Can you guys do a little scene for us in the most southern accent?
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Everyone else.
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I've seen the first season.
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Well, I didn't sound like that, but I said, this is my daddy.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
He tried it out. I tried it out.
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It was fun. That's what I'm saying. It's like, I'm not saying, oh, it's an easy accent to do. It's just like an easy accent to try out.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
You know, like I wouldn't ever go to New York and like be like, I'm a New Yorker. You know, I wouldn't go to Boston and start, you know.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
But yeah, like everyone likes to say, what are y'all doing?
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Do Mormons have accents at all, Manny?
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Are you a former Mormon or are you currently a Mormon?
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
That's what's kind of funny about Mormons because like there's a literal like you're out.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Isn't that crazy? I'm Catholic. And like you, it's just like, I mean, I guess I'm still Catholic.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
And I haven't gone in a bit. Yeah. But like, Catholics don't get kicked out. That's like not a thing, right? That's not a thing.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
You're still in, babe. God loves you. You're still in. As long as you're sorry.
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You're chilling, baby.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
I don't I didn't watch Spencer Pratt back in the early 2000s. But was he a misogynistic pig towards his wife?
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Did you watch season one of Mormon Wives? Yes. Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. I like to shorn it, but then it confuses people with Salt Lake City.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
she's so kind of confident and whatever it is she's doing and her dance videos she commits the video with the child in the hospital bed it's my favorite thing you're like can we play it can we play it again She needs to move on.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Yeah, so I'm trying to figure out, like, what are we misreading about Jesse? You know what I'm saying? Like, fast forward 10 years from now, he's still in the reality TV game, and he's outside of the valley. Like, what is...
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
There's no Mormon. Jehovah's Witness, right?
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They have sales people going door to door selling it?
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They're the only religion with a sales team.
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They do that.
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Did he let you have Christmas?
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Why were you on in the background? Oh, tell me.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
And let me ask you, did it feel how authentic did that conversation feel?
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
But the conversation itself, was there a lot of stopping and starting and producing or was it, it was just people. It was flow.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
That would be more, that's more authentic.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
All right. So team PK or team Dorit?
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I didn't want to go there, but I would say I do find it shocking his lifestyle he's able to live.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
I don't want to go there, but I'm shocked.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
I'm obsessed with that story.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
I think what I'm so fascinated by it is that I feel like I'm getting a front row seat into what my nightmare version of dating Nally would have been when we first started dating with a little bit of a gap.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
but compared to that just a sliver of a gap and it's like yeah you know like when you meet someone in general like Natalie thought maybe I was a monster you know and you know you don't really know but like in my world it's just like she's gonna steal everything I have and she's gonna be she's gonna like take over my life and before I know it I'm gonna wake up and she's gonna be like running everything and I'm not gonna know what's gone and like she's like I'm gonna be also Dave Portnoy he had some gave some commentary that I kind of agree with he's like there's a strong chance
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
strong that bill belichick has no idea just the depth and reach of social media or instagram like like i think he knows that instagram's a thing and i think he generally understands that like things are online you know but i don't know if it's like is it possible that he has no idea that the photo of them at the beach where they're playing superman is like going super viral on the internet and he just like
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Doesn't know. I think that's a possibility.
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But people are saying, like, his former players and people defending him are basically saying, like, well, listen, maybe it's kind of weird, but at the same time, she's just playing the role of his publicist, which, yeah, it kind of seems like he is, but, like, why? Yeah. Like, why is your girlfriend... I couldn't imagine meeting Natalie two months in and being like, listen, aren't
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I have the spot open.
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And he's like, do you think? She's releasing emails that he wrote.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
What did she say?
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
What is she typing it? I don't know. We have it. Good question because I think he signed it BB. You know, Bill Belichick. Yeah. Do you think, do you think Bill is like BB?
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It's like, yeah, it's some version of he's basically saying, I know that the media is going to focus on the negatives and not focus on like what 95 percent of the book is.
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Or just like, but like, forget it. Clearly, hell, we've, just for our baby little gap, we get shit. Yeah, and it's like, if you are aware that the internet focuses on the negatives, why are you obsessed with demanding that your girlfriend go wherever you go and follow you like a shadow?
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
The most believable rumor I heard online is that, uh, and I don't, I, you saw like a tick tock or something. I don't know. It may have been completely bullshit or maybe it was true, but like someone was like, I went to high school with her and she was like,
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a nerd who got hot and she's like seems to be like kind of standing on business and full like fully capable like a you know she was probably like an a student and then things got hot and now she knows exactly what she's doing she's running this shit and like she's just like yeah she's a smart sugar baby yes she's a smart sugar baby an educated sugar baby is a conservator
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Like, he said, like, he wanted... He's very much worried about, like, population. Yes. Like, depleting. Which is... It is a thing.
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I don't think we are.
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There's too many people here for me. Definitely not the person, you know, I don't know if any of us are like the person to ask. We're not. We're not. Can't compare.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
But just in general, I am fairly confident in saying that like how our just our general society and economy works is that like the younger generation takes care of the older generations.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
And there are no new generations.
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Yeah.
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We've like fast forward 20, 30 years. There might be some serious gaps in terms of like who's doing what and who's working what.
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They're hoping they bump into a director. The nerve to criticize Michelle's emotional maturity or lack of growth. And it's just like you're spending all your time deep diving Instagram to try to prove that your ex-wife, who clearly hates you, clearly hates you, You know she hates you. She can't say I hate my ex-husband enough. So it's like, what are you trying to prove?
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We need them.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
We need them.
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Yes, that is funny.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Whatever it is, yeah.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
But, like, can't there be, like, a worse one? Or would you just always assume it's better?
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
So we're just going to go, we're going to go straight delusion no matter what. Just like, but it always gets better and better.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Who knows?
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
The only thing I think he's trying to do is what Michelle says over and over is to try to like make her life as miserable as possible and make the world hate her instead of her hating Jesse. And I'm just trying to figure out what part of that is like growth.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
It's organized crime.
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Like I'm happy for women in their dreams. We had a great wedding. We spent more than we thought we were going to. And I'm sure it was absolutely amazing. It was. And, you know, a little nervous going into it. And it certainly wasn't without a million headaches, mostly dealing with all the vendors who are criminals.
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Because what they do is they hold your most special day hostage.
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Yeah.
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You're in a vulnerable situation. You're stressed out. You want it to be your day. And they all say, well, this is just how it is.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
I have a fashion question for everyone in the room. We were at Stagecoach.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Yeah, it was fun. And I'm old enough to have once been alive when baggy jean shorts were in.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
I was in the sixth grade.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
We were walking in the stagecoach, and this very attractive couple walked in. She was in all denim, and he was in these giant baggy jean shorts. I was just like, this can't be real.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
happening happening back and then i saw several other people i think younger in baggy jean shorts and i'm like is this actually is this coming back your life flashed before your eyes skip it like it's not i'm just telling people like you're not gonna get the baggy jean shorts no it's like anti-shorts in I'm anti-shorts in general. Like, if you're working out, fine.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
You know, and if it's stifling hot, like, if it's dangerously hot outside and you might overheat, I get it. You know, if you're on a trip, you know, there's beaches, fine. Like, YOLO. Like, when in Rome. But short of that, like, choosing to wear shorts and show your ankles as a man? No! And then jean shorts? Jorts.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Well, listen, you know, there's plenty of pictures out there of me in jean shorts, but they were tight and rolled, and that was also a problem.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
I mean, I was the king of skinny jeans.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Why do we ever wear those?
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Still, yeah. With an ankle sock. I was... I was leading that cult. Yeah, you were the leader. Yeah, no, they were painting, because I have thick, meaty thighs.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
I didn't want to, but I did. Oh, okay. But I like to taper, I guess. And I don't, what were we thinking? Sometimes you have to say no.
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Yeah.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
It just looks like you, you know.
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Do you think, like, are you wearing them?
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
No, I looked crazy. No, because there was a good looking guy and an attractive woman and they were a couple.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
No, but it's like, yeah, as someone who is old enough to have worn them in the sixth grade and then have them get out of fashion and then as a high school student be mortified by realizing I was wearing baggy jean shorts that like went past my knees and then thought to myself, how did I ever do that? And then fast forward to, 2025. And they're back?
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No.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Spoiler alert. Guessing no one wants to go ahead and date that person they want to keep a secret. Right. They're a sneaky link.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Oh, break up now.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Just don't do it.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
It's crazy.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Anytime you hear the word rhythmic slapping in the captions, you have... I just love a caption.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Yeah, you're over the thing.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
I don't care. Well, Manny, Laura, this has been so much fun. Thank you for having us. It was so much fun. It was such a key.
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in that world. Also, later in the episode, George Burge is with us, who recently we saw make a little cameo when we saw Lana Del Rey over at Stagecoach. He came on stage, performed with her, and so we're like, hey, if you're in town, come stop by and say hi. And he is, and we will be talking to him later this episode. But before we get into all of that, we watched The Valley last night.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
See you in Alabama. Up next, George Burge joins us. He recently came on stage and performed with Lana Del Rey at Stagecoach. Catch up with him, see how he's doing, and have some fun.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
See you guys.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Ask me what I was just doing. What were you just doing? I was just looking at our baby river on our nanit.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
So easy. The few times I have to leave my family, it's really sad. But thank God I have the nanit by my side. When I go to bed, I will go to sleep. I'm in a hotel room and then I'll turn on the nanit and I'll listen to my daughter sleep. with the sleep sound machine. And it's great. And I just feel like I'm close to my daughter. I'm still connected to my daughter. It's wonderful.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Plus, it's like incredible, the camera quality, the information you can get from your baby sleeping. It's like the peace of mind every parent absolutely wants to have.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
With Janet, it's not about winning money. It's all about control. It's all about getting everyone to do what she likes to do and have fun. And she doesn't care about winning money. She cares about, again, I'm pretty sure she was being serious when she's like, all right, step one, we do this. Step two, we look at the prizes. We want to see if we can earn.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
George, welcome to the show.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
I'm so glad to have you, man. Like we saw you at Stagecoach. You got to perform with Lana Del Rey. We're huge fans of her. So yeah, welcome to, you know, thanks for taking the time.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
You know, when you came on stage, we're like, yeah, we'll be interviewing him in a couple of days. There's no big deal.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Now I feel like I really have to. Now the pressure's on.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
And then we go and find the games that is easiest to earn.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Isn't that a crazy thing to like realize? I mean, just like you obviously teasing that, uh, like Lana is even aware of us as a cool moment for us, but to know that you wrote a song that like she is enjoying with her man and, you know, like, I'm assuming that's why you do what you do, right?
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
To like make connections with people and like, you know, music for, you know, every, every couple has their song, you know what I'm saying? Like there's things that like, and, and, and, and one of yours is one of hers, you know what I'm saying?
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Lana wore the wedding dress from the same designer that Nelly wore.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
No, but she wants to do it so she can like,
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
The level of insufferability from that person.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
She's a monster.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
You gotta know your target. Yeah, you gotta know. What is, as a new dad myself, I have a 15 month old daughter. What was your favorite age so far?
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
No, she wants to win this so she can feel better than you.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
We woke up this morning and watched a little bit of The Rescuers done under me and her. It's a great flick. It's a great flick.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Honestly, I grew up watching Disney movies as a kid, and I watched all the animated ones. I wanted to be a cartoonist when I was a kid, so I was obsessed with them. But it's been a minute since I've watched some, so it's been fun to go back and watch some of the OG ones. And Rescuers Down Under is a really good one.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
for the kids menu.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
To go back, like the call itself, like you, you, did you just, you call him up?
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
No, no, no. You know him. I don't know anything about country music other than that I'm a fan. But at some point, Jason had a bet on himself.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
And I'm guessing when you made that call, it reminded him of a moment where at some point he was you. And maybe it was Alan Jackson or someone else he had to do that with. And that was your bet on yourself moment. And so he was probably happy to do that.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
It was really cool. The stories like that give me chills too. Like even when you came out with Lana and you were just like, you, you said like my heart beat out of my chest and you could believe it. Right. And in a very charming, very cool way. I love moments like that. I love it when people like don't hide their nerves and lean into it, you know, because like, it's just a very human thing.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
And then when you are, you know, Jason Aldean level and you're the biggest country, you know, rock star, you know, you'll look back and those will be like that. Those surreal moments, you know, like it's it's a very cool thing to remember that.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
I mean, obviously there's like Lana's one of them. Post Malone is another one. Like, are you into the, some of the artists making that transition? Do you feel like it's a level of respect that like country music in general is getting, or is it more like, you know, do your stay out of our lane kind of thing?
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Random question. As someone who can't sing, period, you have a beautiful voice. I hope I can say that. But who is your favorite male vocalist in country music today?
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
The thing about the Vanderpump cast, because it originates, obviously, the Valley is essentially a spinoff of Vanderpump in a weird way. But there are some people in the Vanderpump cast who have made friends with fans. And they surround themselves with these fans and become friends with the fans.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Yeah. You need, you need someone, you need an angel. Right.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
but there's clearly a level of like, these are my friends, but my friends are, you know, it's like an entourage.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Yeah. They, it's not their equals. It is their fan friends. And then like over time, then there's this like weird dynamic. And it seems, that's seems to be Janet.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Yeah. No, I mean, I love, that's a great story. I've said this multiple times. Every time you get to interview someone like yourself in country music, I haven't always been a fan and I didn't grow up as a fan of country music. And Natalie, my wife is the one who got me into it, but it was the fact it was, it was the atmosphere of it. You know, first you started taking me to concerts, right?
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
You know, it's like one thing to listen to music on the radio. If you're not necessarily a fan of it and you're like, okay, you kind of zone out. But when you're in it, when you're in the atmosphere and you're right, like maybe is this like the season of my life I was in, you know, getting married, having a kid.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
But like, yeah, it feels like everything about country music is like a core memory, the family values. And like maybe it's just like I just really fell in love with that aspect of the music. Right. Because it's a storytelling. Yeah, it's a storytelling. It made me feel like.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
yeah like you're among friends in a weird way like you don't even i didn't really know any i'm i'm at you know like a country music festival and you feel like you're like you're with your people right because every you hear people like connecting with the songs and like there's just a great feeling there that with other music i
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Yeah, they really do. That's what's great about it. This is a total random question. We were watching Carly Pierce, a friend of show. And so we know her. And so it's weird when you know someone who's an artist and they come on stage and you see the human, but before you're like, Oh, it's Carly Pearce. Yeah, the performer.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
What the fuck are y'all looking at sometimes when you have someone else coming on and you're introducing them or your band's playing? Are you engaging with the crowd? Because sometimes I saw Carly just almost look up and over because she almost was not trying to make eye contact because it could almost be distracting.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
And I just became so enthralled with trying to figure out what Carly was looking at.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Look at the horizon. Thank you for answering that question. Cause I was like, so like, what the fuck is she looking at?
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Well, George, this has been so much fun, man. Congratulations on all your success.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Yeah.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Well, do me a favor. Don't forget us on the way up. I have a feeling like you're, you're, this is really truly just a start for you. Like I'm, I'm a huge fan of resilient people. I love stories that you told about like all the fuck ups and all the mistakes and all the, all the opportunities you had to quit, but didn't.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
And I just think, uh, I've sold my respect for those kinds of people because like, they're just going to be successful. They just are, you know, like it's just, it's not a matter of if it's a matter of when, And I think it's just obvious talking to you. You're that type of person. So when, you know, just don't forget us when you're on top.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Well, she hasn't been on this show yet. So I'm just saying you are here.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
He said it. Congratulations, man. Thanks for coming, man. I really appreciate you. Thanks for having me. I wish you nothing but the best, man.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Thank you guys for listening. Thank you, George, for coming on as well as Manny and Laura as well. We will be back next week. Don't forget to check out the episode of Going Deeper with Jojo Siwa. It's a doozy answering all your burning questions about everything that's going on in her life, Big Brother, and more. Her music career, it's a wild one. Don't forget to check it out.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
cool yeah okay we'll stop being cool literally hate each other we need a fight no it's like have you guys seen Dark Knight Batman yeah when the Joker he brings in the two guys and he breaks the pool stick and he says all right one there's one job available whoever kills the other person wins the job
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
We will see you back on Monday.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
I'm obsessed with the show. I
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
It's it's almost it's almost a phone down show. And I don't say that a lot about a lot of reality TV, because honestly, like you can kind of check in, check out, you know, rewind. But like you really got to pay attention to this one.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Well, then people would hate you. Yeah.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Because it's like, you know, obviously we know that like we have to be kind to the pregnant people out there. And it's kind of like, but we're talking shit behind your back.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Also, as someone who's met Luke in person after I've seen him on TV, he's a handsome man. Yeah. He's a tall, good-looking guy.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
He is. I haven't met Jesse in person, but short. Danny, short.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
We've all met a Danny. You know, it's just that and honestly, Jesse was that guy who's like doesn't have, you know, he's he's
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
seemingly the quiet family man but when he drinks he gets that you know gets real close you know puts you like in a headlock because he wants to like close talk with you and just like get up in your shit and just get real kind of aggressive but like you can tell this person's just fucked up and hammered just not there and they're just become the most obnoxious drunk in the world like i'm i've met that guy several times and i kind of fucking hate him yeah
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
yeah that's like a and then he was like that's not my that's out of my character but the thing is though it's like is it though like how many times do you get to do something before it's like
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
That's very embarrassing for her.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Is Michelle as toxic as Jesse?
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
And is he really just, is Jesse right where he like has a drink and then sneaks off and takes a couple shots? Like, is that really going on?
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
It was shocking. But I do think Luke is the best looking guy in this group.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Forget about his macho. I'm just straight vanity. Yes. He's the hottest guy. And I think he deserves that credit.
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
Which also really pisses off Janet. Oh, for sure. Because when she was trying to gas up Jason, I'm so lucky to have you. It's like, what did he do?
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E926 - Laura Lee & Manny MUA, George Birge, The Valley, Dorit vs PK, Mormon Wives, and Love Island Drama
And again, when it comes to Jax, I just don't know why anyone deserves a pen on the back for anything they're doing for or with Jax. Because just at this stage in the game, if you really are a friend to this guy, why isn't anyone just being like, aren't you tired of being a loser? Just at what point do you just say, aren't you tired of being this person?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Yeah. So I want you to avoid getting yourself in a situation like that again, because this does not what, you know, while his situation does make sense and it doesn't sound like he's being shady or living some sort of double life, his life is a little bit more complicated and developing a relationship with this guy is will only make his life more complicated for him.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
And if you do learn that you care about this guy and things evolve, you don't want to be the person who makes him get divorced. You know what I'm saying? Like, you want him to want to do it because that's what he wants. But like,
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
I think you need to find out a little bit more about, you know, I don't know if at 37 years old and him being 49, I would want a little bit more clarity than him kind of sounding like a 21 year old fuck boy. That's kind of like, yeah, I mean, like I want to get married someday for sure.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Like totally like, you know, obviously, you know, but it's more, it's more of a, I don't think he said it that way. Okay. I just want to make sure. I mean, you were there.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
I guess my point is you do not have to be a good people reader. You don't have to like be good. You should just be able to ask, you know, these, these aren't like, these aren't interrogating questions, you know, like what do you want out of dating? You know, like.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
That's fair. And you can find the right balance. I'm just saying, I'm getting a sense from you that there's a little bit of reluctance from you to press, you know, because you don't want to be pushy or whatever the reason why. And I do think you could press a little bit more than you are. At the end of the day, we are afraid to press.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
in any situation because we're afraid of people saying, you know what, I don't want to deal with this. You know, this is too much for me. You're pushy, whatever. I feel disrespected, whatever, whether it's a negotiation or in business or just, you know, we sometimes when we're pushy, we're just, We don't want to because we're afraid of offending.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
We're afraid of pushing too much and losing what we want. But sometimes we have to push. We have to push for answers. My point is, in someone in your position who has a hesitancy of pushing, I have a hard time believing you're going to push too much. And if they really care about you, if they really like you, it won't feel like enough. Especially if it's just like, hey, you know what I'm saying?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
I don't know how necessary. Yeah, I mean... I don't think you need to meet her. Well, here's what I think. You know, I think you don't need to.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Gotcha. How long have you been hanging out with this guy?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Well, sure. If you continue to hang out with them. Sure. But you don't need to meet her to like, try to read her. I don't think meeting her is going to tell you anything about your two's compatibility, you know, short of realizing that she might be not as out of the picture as you realize, as you thought. And she,
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
She could, I guess, be problematic or a pain in the ass, but I don't think you need to meet her for the reasons you're stating. Let me ask you this. If anything, what baggage do you think you bring into a relationship?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
I mean, baggage is a heavy word, but the point I'm trying to get at is This man that you're dating is married, does own this. And he's still going into the dating world confident, I guess, to be like, I need you to accept my situation. And my situation includes a wife that is still married to me. And we own property together. We're pretty intertwined.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
And he has the confidence to expect you to work around him and that's fine and he we all are able to do that but i'm just wondering as a 37 year old person uh who's lived 37 years of life and has her own shit like are you also willing to say this is who i am and this is these are things that i need at you know this You know what I'm saying?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
You like him a lot. Okay. So how many dates have you been out with this guy?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
I just want to make sure that you two are on equal footing and that you're not the person who's always accommodating his baggage and his needs while you're just... You know what I'm saying? Because we all... He needs to accept things about you. You seem very open to accepting things about him. You also have the right to say, I'm not willing to accept that.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
As someone who was in a relationship for five and a half years and him being the first guy you liked since then... You have to be mindful of the fact that this is already exciting and new because it's a first in a while. You have to be mindful that you don't start accepting things that you ultimately wouldn't like because it's just exciting to like someone, right? You got to remember that.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
You might really like him, but you still have a lot to learn about him. But don't go into this relationship already asking yourself, do I have to be okay with things I wouldn't normally be okay with? You have the right to say to yourself and to him,
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
I'm curious, when do the alarm bells start going off in your head where something felt a little off, if at all?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Like if, like if, if three weeks go by and you have five more dates and so then you've known this guy for, I don't know what, you know, like took a couple months to press them a little bit more about like, yeah, you do. Do you think you're ever going to get divorced? Like, no, seriously. Like, you know, I really like you and it's been really fun to get to know you.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
And like, but like, why are you still married? Cause like, I'll be honest, I really like you and I just, uh, I want to get married someday. And, and the fact that you are married, it doesn't sound like you're planning on getting divorced and totally get that. Like, you know, financially it might make sense, but like, is that something you would plan on doing? Cause like, you know what I'm saying?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Like I would be very cautious about how much you invest in this person, given the fact that you know, you want to get married and he's married. Yeah. And you can't get married to him unless he gets divorced, right? And so... Right.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Fine. But like, I would be very cautious about entering a relationship with someone who's not even in a position today to give you what you ultimately want when it comes to being in a relationship. For it's like same thing. You don't like I if someone met you. Right. If someone like, you know, if a guy called in. Right. And said, I'm dating this woman. I really want kids. She doesn't.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
And then he's like, I really like her. She's a lot of fun. We have a good time together. She makes me laugh. Love her. You know, we like the same stuff. But like, I don't know. I would be like, I don't know if you should date her.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
You know, because you don't date someone knowing that like one of your big major like benchmarks, a non-negotiable, if you will, like you getting married sounds like a non-negotiable for you. Someday you want to get married. I mean, yeah, life might change. Who knows? But like you want to get married.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
So I wouldn't, I'd be very careful about dating married men or married men who have no real plans on getting divorced. And like, well, I get it. I get his explanation. Makes sense. It just might not be for you. And you know what I'm saying? So I would be very cautious about entering or investing in a situation that right now isn't ideal for you.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
You don't date someone knowing you want to have kids knowing they don't, hoping they'll change. And I think that's my point with you is I don't think you should invest that much more time if you don't have clarity about what this man really wants to do with his marriage. Because you don't want to invest months and then find out he's really not going to get divorced anytime soon.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
And that truthfully, he really likes his situation. He's comfortable getting along with his ex-wife. They're actually pretty close. And he doesn't want to fuck up his bar and his investments and his house or whatever it is that might be intertwined. And he would rather just generally date casually and be okay with dating people who are comfortable accepting his life.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
And I don't think you are in a position to accept his life. I think you want different things for yourself. And I think you can vet this out a little bit more. And I think it's fine to keep dating him and learn more. But right now, the information that you have is very unclear at best. And signs point to him not being willing to get divorced anytime soon.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
And you know what? Again, they may end up getting divorced. I just want you to understand that you do not need to accept his life outright. And you have the right to say, there's things I want. I think as a 37-year-old woman or person, a 37-year-old person dating, I think you need to have more clarity about what you want for your relationships and for yourself. Being more intentional and
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
saying out loud to yourself and eventually the people you date that like you really want to get married someday. And I don't think you should be afraid to put that out there pretty early. And then you should hope that discourages some people. You want to find out who doesn't want the same things you want. If you want to keep dating for fun. Yeah. And just fuck around. Sure.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Date people that aren't very serious about what you're serious about. But if you want to date with intention, then you have a right to filter out some of the people who don't want what you want. And you can do that pretty early. Don't go into a dating situation hoping people change.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
You can ask whatever you want. And that's the thing. I think you, you're clearly have a little bit of hesitation and a little, you know, and I think you need to, the biggest thing you need to focus on, I think in my opinion is just understanding what you want, come into this thing as a little bit more confidence and you have the right to say what you want.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
And listen, so many times in dating situations, we want to say the right thing, you know, because we want people to like us. We want to feel accepted.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
But honestly, when you really look at it pragmatically, sometimes saying the right thing is the wrong thing because saying the right thing is saying something that we don't really mean, we don't really believe in, but we're doing it or saying it because we want to make a good impression. We want to be accepted. We want to be liked.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
And then, you know, that's why people call it the honeymoon phase or when they say you go on a first date and people don't really meet you, they meet your representative, you know, and then all of a sudden, you know, you're six to 12 months into a relationship and you're like, you're kind of different.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
The more yourself you can be and be comfortable with being rejected early on because you are willing to be yourself. You know, it might take a couple blows of the eagle. It might be a little like, you know, you might feel some fatigue at time because rejection can always be hard.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Do you want to date someone for five and a half years again only to have to break up with them because ultimately you're going to end up not giving you what you wanted? You know what I'm saying? But that's how you get yourself in situations like that. So you need to change. as well, it's not just about finding someone else.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
It's about you recognizing how did I get to that point where it took me five and a half years and I had to make up this whole plan to exit the relationship. That's something you need to reflect on and that you need to change about yourself.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
It's not about just finding someone different because the part of that that caused you to wait that long is the part of you that is maybe just not standing up for yourself as much as you should, not being confident in yourself to say, This is what I want. This is what I need. And if you're not able or willing to give to me, sad as that might make me feel, this isn't for me.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
And you have to be willing for someone to meet your standards in dating too.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Yeah. It's just, you're definitely just kind of giving a general tone, which I think is very relatable for people that, you know, you don't want to step on their toes. You don't want to press. You don't want to be rude. You don't want to, you know, I don't want to ask questions that are, you know, but like, listen, you got to figure it out, you know, and we have...
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
As we get older, we have less time to waste on people, you know? And, you know, so it's just like how intentional. And he's an adult. Yeah. He can handle it. Exactly. Right? And also you can handle it too. You can handle finding out. This is all about you being afraid to get an answer you don't want. Right? And that's why we don't ask questions. Sure.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
is because sometimes we're afraid of the answer. And then we're afraid, either I don't want to get that answer because I don't want to have to do something difficult, like leave, or I don't want to get an answer or be rejected.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
I think my big takeaway for you is, when you're out there dating, whether it's this guy or you move on with this guy, at least understand your basic non-negotiables, your basic relationship goals. What do you really want for yourself? What's the type of relationship you want? And then early on in dating,
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
you should find out pretty quickly whether that person's even capable of meeting those main goals because all the other stuff is inconsequential to your non-negotiables or your main core values of what you want for a partner.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
And there are a lot of nice people and good guys and funny guys out there that still might not have the same core goals that you have for yourself when it comes to being in a relationship.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Is that just because it'll help financially or you just don't want to?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
do you have any reason to think it is other than the fact that he owns and operates a bar?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
That makes sense. But you know, sometimes when you meet the right person, I mean, clearly, listen, you have some kind of goal because you left your last relationship because ultimately he didn't want to I think you have more goals than you realize. I think sometimes when you're in a relationship that you're really happy to be in, it also shifts your goals.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
So I think it's okay that you keep hanging out with this guy, but don't be afraid to get more information. I feel comfortable saying that you should get the answer from him sooner than you feel like you're ready or is fair because I think you have a tendency of talking yourself out of confrontation.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
And you can, right? Just because he is the first lady I like. But just be careful that you're not lying to yourself and convince yourself, well, I'm just having fun and chilling. Because the truth is you're afraid to find out.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Alrighty. Okay. Well, thanks for the call. I appreciate it.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
All right. All right. Good luck. And please give us an update if anything changes with him.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Take care. Bye. What if I told you that the most important part of your spring cleaning routine is your sock drawer? Yep, you heard it right. It's time to ditch any mismatched tired pairs and refresh your collection with some fresh Bomba socks. That was my problem before. They basically stopped me from embarrassing myself because before that I had all these mismatched socks. Thank you.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
But when you're hanging out with him, is he having a drink because you're out at a restaurant and he has a drink with dinner? Or is he just kind of always drinking?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Just out of curiosity, you know, five dates in three weeks is like that pace. Are you used to that pace? Is this new for you? Like, I'm curious.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Okay. And this is the first time you, is this the guy you've liked the most since your breakup?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Okay. I mean, like, you know, again, it's relatively new, right? And I guess I'm hearing from you a little bit of just like anxiousness and fear or maybe overthinking and breaking down situations. You know, it's like he owns a bar. What does that mean? I've seen him drink, you know, pretty regularly. What does that mean?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
You were doing it hoping to get a reaction you didn't get and then he didn't fight for you so you're like I guess I'll date someone maybe that'll make him jealous.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Have you ever broached therapy with him? I mean, can I already assume what his answer was?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
But we've also kind of been out when we're, when I've seen him, you know, like the married part, you know, you know, like, There's two separate things, I think, to be mindful of. One, you have to be mindful of the fact not to kind of overthink and overanalyzing. You're just going to have to let it, you know, if you like this guy, right, you're going to have to maybe let it play out, right?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Does that work? Do you guys get anything out of it?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
affectionate towards me um and not like in a sexual way just like like I think like in an enduring way have you talked with your couples therapist about the issue you're calling in about which is essentially like he doesn't really want to engage in any type of
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
conflict resolution with you or communicate you know or just hear you out and deal with some stuff as opposed to feeling like he just kind of like avoids you waits for you to get over it and then you feel kind of like you have to convince yourself because it sounds like you have to convince yourself to get over things that you're not really over you bury it and then it just kind of sits there and like you're I don't know you're like I don't know I guess whatever and then have you talked with your therapist about that with him?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
It's only been three weeks. You've only had five dates. Five dates and three weeks is...
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
you know it's a lot you know that's not like crazy or anything like that but in a good way it's a lot you're like you're consistently hanging out right for whatever reason you're now like getting a little bit of pause is there you know other than the fact that all right you've kind of you mentioned the marriage the marriage part he's separated you have and you have no reason to think he's lying right you've learned about his life and his situation and his marriage and his
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Well, you called in debating whether you should break up with him if this part doesn't get better.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
How seriously are you thinking he might not be your guy?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Well, listen, you know, you've been through a lot with this guy, clearly, and you're clearly conflicted. I guess what I would say to you is, you know who he is. This is who he is. You've been with him for five years.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
you have tried all sorts of things to try to get through this guy, but he is, and correct me if I'm wrong about any of this, unbelievably consistent, at least, or stubbornly himself, and you've tried all sorts of ways to try to tweak and adjust this part of him with very little success.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
but right. You know, and you're in one of these situations where it's a challenge, right? Because like ultimately, you know, it doesn't sound like he's like some toxic asshole or you can actually point out some things that you really like about him.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
I do think it's interesting again, even though you did eventually articulate things, you know, it sounded like, you know, this guy just does it for you. Like he, you know, but like, there's a lot of chemistry there, but like, You know, there are some significant aspects of the relationship that do seem to be missing for you.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
And you sounds like throughout the entirety of your relationship, you know, you've had a hard time letting go of just how of the chemistry, the intangible, which I get like that's that's hard to find with people. So it's hard to let that go. Yeah.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
But there's a difference between dating someone for a period of time or, you know, I guess there's a difference between dating someone in your 20s and marrying them for the rest of your life. Which is why I think a lot of people, like, have a hard time sustaining marriages and relationships these days because they get married for reasons that have nothing to do with keeping a marriage going.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
career and now you're just kind of wondering, is this too intertwined or too messy for me, right? Like you're not necessarily even wondering if he's being dishonest for any reason, right? Correct?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Exactly. And when they ask, you know, when they get married, like, most people stay in relationships because of how they met. Because of, like you said, like we meet someone, especially in your case, we meet someone that like that boy, that, that meeting them really, you know, I bet you vividly remember how you met.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
I bet you like at times telling the story or at least fantasizing or reminiscing about how you met in that period of time. And I'm guessing when you guys met, you made your, you know, a lot of promises to yourself. This is the man I'm going to marry or, you know, whatever. Stuff like that. And, you know, we don't want to internally. We don't want to be wrong.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
We don't want to feel like we're full of shit, you know, and sometimes we hold on to how we met someone and we hold on to these kind of promises we've made with very little information about someone. someone's character or how they are in relationships. And then we date them for a period of time.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
And then all of a sudden we're like, well, I've been with them for five years and it's like this, but like very little about why they're in the relationship has to do with how that person makes them feel day in and day out. So, you know, it's, it's not a clear choice for you because, you know, I am, I understand there's a lot of history there and I understand it sounds like a pretty good guy.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
And it's like, you know, you, the devil, you know, is better than the devil. You don't, you know, and you're like, oh, you, you've, you've also dated other people and you still kind of went back to him and, And in your mind, you're thinking, you know, that kind of justifies me coming back. I tried. I tried to date other people.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
But you might have to make a decision that you leave without dating anyone else for a period of time. I don't know. But I will say this. The thing that you think is a problem in your relationship is a problem. And the feeling that you feel alone in your relationship. Is that fair to say? Yeah.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
uncomfortable because i'm just like this isn't how i should feel like yeah i should feel like i'm it's not it's not it's probably not going to get much better it hasn't gotten better i mean you could certainly i certainly like you know try it out in couples therapy if you're still going to couples therapy with them but eventually you're gonna have to say that he would see our therapist on his own too now
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Okay. So, you know, I guess my answer is I don't really have an answer. Like I can't say, oh yeah, you should definitely not do this or, you know. If you don't think he's being dishonest and you think you can trust him, it's only been three weeks, so you have to be prepared to be wrong about anything, right? You have to give yourself to grace to pursue a person, to learn more about a person.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Sure, but also like, I don't know, he's not, I don't mean I don't know him at all, but doesn't sound like an idiot. And a lot of what you're saying isn't a matter of, has nothing to do with emotional intelligence. It's just a willingness to be there for your partner. I'm too tired from work isn't a lack of emotional intelligence. It's just like he doesn't care enough.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Or is this used to you giving up? No, I feel like I do.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
I think a lot of times we all like to make excuses for our partners for their shortcomings, especially if we've tried and failed. The next step is just kind of make excuses for them. And I do think in a lot of cases, women like to make excuses for their shortcomings.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
male partners a lot and in your case you know like you know the stereotype that women are more emotionally mature than men and yada yada yada i think a lot of times women will play into those stereotypes and then make excuses for their boyfriends and chalk it up to like emotional immaturity and he just needs to do the work and he's just been suppressed because he's a man and toxic masculinity it's like i don't know maybe he just doesn't give a shit you know like maybe right
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
You know, like, I don't think he's all that emotionally stunted. He sees you like coming to him and saying, let's resolve this. And he's like, not right now, babe. And you let it go. You've already broken up with them and it didn't work.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
So maybe right now, maybe your tone is maybe your tone should be like, stop accepting apologies for things he's apologized multiple times for. And so when you voice a frustration and he's like, oh, I'm sorry. Just say, I don't want your apologies. I want you to care. And when he says, I do care, then you say, I need you to show me that you care, not just say that you care.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Because you say you care all the time and then you show me you don't. What I want is to deal with shit. You don't like to deal with shit. And I am tired of dealing with our shit on my own. You know, and you make me feel like a nag because you just, you don't care. You just don't care. And stop calling him avoidant or whatever. I don't know, maybe it, but like, whatever. He doesn't care.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
You think something about him now. and you're going to continue to learn, and you're going to be right about some things and wrong about other things, right?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Or, you know, he cares just enough, you know, you know, I don't say he doesn't care, but he clearly cares about you. Right. But at the end of the day, what you're asking for is not that complicated. Because you're just asking for him to take the time to participate and talk with you about a frustration you have and just work through it.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Cause it's just like, I'm like, do you, uh, I mean, I'm curious, have you, have you referred to him as your best friend before?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
The hope is that the things that you're right about are the more meaningful things, and you hope that the things that you are wrong about are, or maybe for the better you're wrong about, or, you know, but you're just going to have to be willing to learn. You're going to have to be willing to learn about this person and their I mean, you're 37, how old is he?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
I'm glad you know that because like, I'm guessing there are other people out there who know you better than he does.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
And the fact that you can say that 100%, like the guy you've been dating with for five years, you've been pregnant with twice for different reasons. Those pregnancies didn't proceed. Both of them, whether it's a miscarriage or an abortion are incredibly emotional experiences and experiences that I can safely guess are
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
he doesn't really totally even know what you went through in either of those experiences. And if he does, most of that is a result of dragging him to therapy. Yeah, definitely. And how much about those experiences do you think he's still completely unaware of what you went through?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
And are there other people who know better?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Yeah. And that doesn't surprise me. It does not surprise me that he actually probably thinks of you as his best friend. Best friend. Subjective. We all can have different, different, different than what that means. But like people who really know who we are, people that we have given the opportunity to get to know us without, you know, and accept us for all of our strengths and weaknesses.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
You're his best friend because you've been willing to be his best friend. And he's not your best friend because he hasn't been willing to be yours.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
I think that really true. Okay. Well stop lying to him.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
You know, the only thing that's going to save this relationship is you're going to get through to him somehow. So stop telling him what he wants to hear. Stop placating him, you know, stop trying to not ruffle his feathers. And just be honest with him about how you feel about your relationship. What do you have to lose at this point?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
And when you say things like, you're my best friend, you can be like, I know. But I've been thinking about it. You're not mine. And you're not mine because there are other people out there who just know me better than you do. And they know me better because they took the time to care. And you don't care. I'm your best friend because I care. I've been willing to be your best friend.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
All right, he's 49, right? So like you're 37, you have a past, you know, I don't know about your life or your past relationship that was five and a half years. He's 49, he's a little older.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
And you're just, you're not my best friend because you haven't been mine. You haven't been there for me. You just haven't. Like, you've been okay at times, but there are people out there who are. And I want the man I marry to be my best friend. And I think a lot of people, we like to say, oh, you're my best friend. Well, you know, your best friend should know you better than most people.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
The good doesn't make up for the bad and there can be a lot of good in relationships and it doesn't mean they're your person. So, you know, like when you're going through that kind of, oh, I like this and I like that, that all might be true. But if your constant feeling about him and the relationship is a negative one, that tells you something.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
If you're more unhappy than happy when thinking about him and the relationship, that tells you something. If you're constantly just feeling disconnected and alone in your relationship, that tells you something. And if the man that you've been with for five years isn't your best friend, that should tell you something.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Like most people you meet in their middle ages, like come with baggage, you know, whatever that baggage looks like, you know, whether it's an ex-wife that they're still married to in a house, which is a little bit more baggage than most people are used to. You have some kind of baggage. We all have baggage that we bring into a relationship, right? Yeah. He has more tangible baggage, right?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
If you took out how you guys met and all of the investment you've put in this relationship, what would you think you have?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Most people, I'm curious how you think about that, but a lot of people in your position, it's, it's hard to walk away from something you've put a lot of work into.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
So, I mean, that should tell you something. I mean, history is not nothing, but it's not, you don't have kids, you're not married, you know, there might be a time in your place in your life where the history gets you through it, you know, but like before, because like the truth is, whoever you marry, you're going to deal with some shit. Shit's going to happen.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
I don't know what, but I promise you this, you know, even the person who, that you marry, let's assume that you, him or someone else, but like you eventually get married. And when the moment you get married, you feel like, I really love this person. You know, maybe you figure shit out with him. Maybe you break up with him and you find someone else. But let's say,
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
The moment you get married, it feels so fucking right and good and exactly what you hoped for for yourself. Even if you're lucky enough to be in that position, I promise you something's going to happen in that relationship and you're going to think to yourself, I can't believe this ever would happen to me or us. It will. I promise. And it doesn't mean you guys can't get through it.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
This ex-wife that you're like, huh? You're married? Like, you know, and then, you know, you find out they're married. You got to ask them qualifying questions and things like that. There's some definite red flags, right? Like the fact that he's still married and it doesn't sound like what you're telling me. He has any immediate plans to change anything.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Most, a lot of people do get through. Everyone deals with shit like that. I don't know what that shit is going to be. It might be something that you cause, he causes, something that's just unavoidable. Maybe just like life happens, something happens, God forbid, with a child or a parent. I don't know, right? Money, who knows? Life fucking happens and you have to deal with it.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Right now, you have someone where like, when that happens, you're going to be totally alone. So, Listen, I don't know if bringing up them is the right answer, but I do think starting now, you need to just be more direct about how you feel about him in this relationship and you need to stop trying to fight for this relationship by yourself.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Do you feel like he's afraid of losing you?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Maybe there's hope, you know, but like he needs some kind, like something is not connecting the dots and I don't doubt that he might be. You might have to talk about I think that friendship comment might be worth bringing up in couples therapy. I would maybe, this is, I think bring it up in couples therapy.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Um, and I would bring up the fact that like, I am seriously thinking about leaving this relationship because I feel alone. I don't want to, and I don't want to lose you, but like, I do feel like, This is a person that I realize is not my best friend and they're not my best friend because like they haven't really been that interested in being my best friend.
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And he might say, well, I mean, what do you mean by that? You're like, well, because, you know, Becky, Molly and Erica, they all know they they you don't know this about like I you don't. There's like a lot of things that you don't know about me and you don't know about me because when I come to you and try to share things with you. You tell me you're too tired.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
You're never interested in hearing about what I'm feeling. You act as if it's constantly an inconvenience to you. And there are other people in my life who don't make me feel that way. And I don't think I should be in a relationship with someone who makes me feel that way. And I've tried endlessly to try to fix that. So I'm pretty much at the end of my rope.
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anything right like if he's referencing tax purposes and things like that well those benefit whatever benefits they are enjoying as a result of them to to not get divorced chances are nothing that's not going to change so what i'm hearing from you is that while he remains single and he's out there dating he is comfortable with continuing to be married to his wife, right?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Well, sorry you're going through this again.
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Oh, well, thank you for saying. Listen, you're in a tough spot because I get it. It's a lot easier if he was just a giant piece of shit or whatever. You've been through a lot together, and there's a lot you love about him, and there's a lot of good in this relationship, but you shouldn't feel like this way most of the time.
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I'll leave you with this, but something I had to learn on my own and something I've said and when I've done questions with Nick, I think there's language to the effect in my book. But if you break it all down at its core, People who get back together with people they have broken up with, it's mostly out of a lack of patience.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
At the end of the day, we break up with people because we think we can do better. And I don't mean like from an ego standpoint. It means like if you decide to break up with them, you're doing it because you certainly hope, but, and I'm banking on the fact that you can, find someone who's more emotionally willing to be in the relationship with you. And you've tried that before.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
But then you got back together and you didn't get back together because like love, you got back together because you dated one other guy and that didn't work out. And then he was available and waiting and you're like, well, okay, I guess I'll go back to him. And you lacked the patience to see it through. You missed him. Who you dated in between was actually worse than he was.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
So it was like, oh, he's worse. And so a product of you guys being together is your lack of patience and believing in what you deserve. That's just a fact. Because something caused you to end that relationship in the past. Breaking up with people that we care about is a very difficult thing to do. And yet you got to that place. So it wasn't a mistake. There was a reason.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
It wasn't like out of just some sort of like flippant decision. We break up with people for valid reasons. I don't really think there's mistakes. I think there's just, we lost patience. And listen, sometimes people break up And it's, you know, high school sweethearts or, you know, sometimes it's good to break up and sometimes we get a clearer idea.
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But the end of the day, whoever broke up with someone thought they could do better. And maybe they were wrong. Sometimes we realize we were wrong. But in your case, I think it's more a lack of patience.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
And this guy is your big kryptonite. He's your he's the guy that you just does it for you and just fucks you up a little bit. And sometimes that fucking you up is kind of toxic, sexy and fun all at the same time. But like, yeah, like, you know, he he is a bit of kryptonite and there is a constant theme in this relationship. And if you don't want to be the boy who cried wolf, don't be.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
If you decide to leave the relationship, it's not going to be easy. You're going to miss him. It's going to break your heart. You're going to want to come back to him. And taking him back again, God forbid, if you were to do that again, I would hope that would be him truly fighting and showing and him actually doing shit on his own and getting there. He hasn't changed yet.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
So if you were to break up with him a month later, it's not because he changed. That's the thing. He is choosing not to do things about it, right? And so often when people break up with someone and then it's like, oh my God, I'll finally do the thing you asked me to do. They're not doing it because they changed. They're doing it because you forced their hand.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
There seem to be some practical benefits for those two people to stay married. So my guess is whether it's you or some other woman in his future, that will be the reason they eventually get divorced because if
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Yeah. So just some things to think about. All right.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Yeah. I mean, I want to date a 34 year old next. I mean, yeah, you can you can set that as a goal. Right. But like as we get older, age definitely becomes a lot more relative. And now you're learning that not every person that's 49 is the same because, you know, I'm guessing this person is different than your ex and they come with different baggage and things like that. So.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
I think what's important for you, if you continue to date this guy, to continue to ask questions. Do you know if this person, this guy, do you know if he's looking to... First of all, what are your relationship goals?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
And maybe you're resilient in ways that you don't realize, you know, but you are avoiding obstacles for the sake of protecting yourself. And I just want to let you know, you're not really, you might be protecting yourself in the short run, but you're definitely not protecting yourself in the long run because you're avoiding lessons and opportunities for growth.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Yeah. I mean, you know, I know that that is true. I mean, you kind of hit the nail on the head. You know, if you want to think of an analogy, I'm sure you've seen a lot of guys cold plunging these days or women or whatever. It's like a new phrase. And I don't think that ever gets easy, but like, it's a lot easier the more you do it.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
And the first time you do it, boy, that first set, you're dipping your toe in that, in that water is like, I'd rather not. And a lot of times you're just like, you know what, fuck it. I don't need to be cold. I don't, you know, fuck man.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Uh, you got to understand the difference between being scared and being in danger. That's something I was, was kind of reinforced in my brain when I did that show special forces, you know, you're hanging from the sky and walking, you know, and scary shit. But like, I was safe. I was all, you know, I was all strapped.
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I was a scared, you know, scary to do that shit, but I was never really in any danger, you know?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Um, and that's a lesson you have to learn. So you can, and, and I could have been scared. I can have told myself, Oh, I got a kid on the way this, I shouldn't be doing this stuff. And the reality is I was, I had to conquer a fear, you know?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
So when you get worked up and you get, you know, you gotta, you gotta check yourself and look in the mirror and call yourself out and be like, I'm doing the thing. Using that analogy of special forces, there was this thing called the leopard walk, right? And it was just basically this rope that was connected between one mountain to another and below it was, I don't know, like a mile deep.
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And I had to crawl on the rope across, right? Now, granted, I was very safe. I was all hooked up to safety things and I could have jumped off and been totally fine. And eventually that's exactly what happened. And when I did it, I didn't do it because I didn't get to the beginning of that rope and then figure out how to be not scared. I did it while being scared.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
You know, I just did it. And, you know, so you're right now you're you get these dates, you plan these dates and you get psyched out and then you try to convince yourself not to be scared. And then you don't. And so you flake. You have to get to the point where you're still scared and you do it anyways, because your rational brain says, listen, like we've, we've, he looks normal.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
We've, we've done a zoom date. Um, I've chosen a public place, you know, like, like basic shit just to make sure you're okay. It might be a bad date. He might be weird. I might be awkward. It might go terrible, but honestly, like that's not going to hurt me. I'm going to be okay.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
So let's just go and fucking do this shit and give yourself the grace to not be perfect and not have them like you and, and, and know that the first time doing anything, it's not going to be great at it. So don't go in there with the expectation that you're going to be perfect. Um, and just see what the fuck happens.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
One bit of advice is I wouldn't let the first guy you want to date with know it's your first date. Just don't make it a thing. Stop, you know, don't.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
He doesn't need to know. It doesn't matter.
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And just try to have fun, you know, just, you know, when I, again, back to the silliest special forces analogy, like it is exhilarating to face a fear. And when I was still scared as fuck when I did that, but I was like, I know I'm scared, but I know I'm going to like, it's going to be fucking wild. So I decided to have fun. Then that was a choice.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
I could just make a choice and say, I'm going to do this shit. I'm scared, but fuck it. I'm going to have some fun. Yeah. And you can't, you're capable of doing that. You just haven't decided to do it yet. Yeah.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Just know. And that's, you know, I can say that and you can, you know, you could use that as an excuse to push back on these people trying to like motivate you. You can be like, I'll do it when I'm ready.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Sure. But like, you know, But just know that you are costing yourself right now. You are costing yourself good times, valuable lessons. You have fallen behind your peers. You'll live. You'll get through it. You're still relatively young, but there's a cost. And when you are ready to stop falling behind, when you're ready to stop missing out, you'll do it.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Do you have any general goals? Like, do you want to date forever? Do you want to get married? Do you want to have a life partner? Do you want to have kids? Do you not want to have kids? Like what, what are those?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
but I would start being your own toughest critic instead of your friends. And I would try to challenge yourself to not talk yourself into quitting and being too scared and just jump in the fucking pool. Um, and know that it won't be perfect. It won't be, you know, you know, and be like, here we go.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
And then like the day before or the day I've come down, just out of curiosity, what, what, what is the, what is the most common recurring thought that you have that psychs you out?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
yeah yeah no that's true just be curious be somewhat of an open book yeah you know you can ask a lot of questions and they you know listen if you go in there being you know do you like work he hates it he likes it i don't know follow questions oh that's really cool you know just give a shit pretend to care yeah And then maybe you find out you will.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
If you go on a date and you pretend to care and this guy's like, yes, no, yes, no, yes, no, yes, no, no, doesn't elaborate, just gives you one word answers. Yeah, you'll know quickly. Like, yeah, I don't know. He's just, and then maybe he'll be nervous too or he won't, you know, like, It's just not going to go perfect.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
So just, just be curious and be open to, it's just a date, you know, no one's watching, no one's judging, no one's measuring. Yeah. There's no awards being handed out, get nothing to lose. Yeah. You know, they're meant to be a little awkward. Just try it out.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
So you don't need them or you don't want them?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
And so it doesn't matter the stranger. Honestly, it might be better for you to go on a guy that you're not honestly, you're like, I'm not even interested in this guy. I don't even find that attractive. Practice.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Okay, all right. So now you have some idea of, okay, those are some of your relationship goals. Do you have any idea what his relationship goals are?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Well, meeting someone in the app is more of a stranger.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Yeah. I mean, yeah. Listen, meeting someone in the app is literally just a stranger. It's just like random fucking people saying I'm single.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
and you meet someone at your bar, there's so much less of a stranger. There's immediate rapport. You see them in the wild. You see what they look like. You see their voice. You see how they treat other people around them. There's so much more. That's why jumping on a FaceTime or a Zoom, you can learn so much more
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
about these strangers on the internet that like, will hopefully like just give you a little bit more of a, a reason to, and you can, you can just be like, listen, I don't like meeting strangers or whatever, but like, I definitely like, and you say it like as a, as a confident woman, just be like, yeah, like I just, I like, I like doing a vibe check.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
You know, if guys say no to that, then great. That's weird for them. Why would they say no to something cool? You know, and when people say things like that's weird, don't let it get in your head. Them saying that's weird is this, that just says that's different than I'm used to and I'm not used to different.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
And so I'm going to call it weird to make you feel a certain way about me not liking something that you're comfortable with.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
This mental game. So like someone calling, you know, so like if someone calls something weird, let it be weird for them. Not weird for you.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
You know, so if I were you baby steps, try going on the apps and try having a couple zoom slash face time dates. Let's try it out. Practice. Okay. they don't need to know you're practicing.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
And when you practice, be like, yeah, I just want to, you know, Hey, I've never done this before. The guy will say, and you're like, yeah, well, you know, it's just honestly meeting. And you say like, listen, you know, like honestly meeting strangers, it's always fucking exhausting. And I don't know, I've enacted, you know, just, I just rather, I just kind of want to do a vibe check, you know?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
And, uh, You know, instead of, what do you do for work? And what are you doing this week? And just over a text, just do that over Zoom. And if anyone at any point is like, oh, this guy's not the worst to talk to, just be like, I don't know, do you want to, let's grab a coffee.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
You know, and just go from there. And again, just remind yourself, I am not doing it, there's nothing, there's no stakes here.
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just i'm just yeah just meeting people yeah sure very very kind of open-ended very cash very whatever uh kind of a personal question uh like but i'm just curious how this is playing a role um are you are you limited like i've like uh you haven't like have you had boyfriends like what's your like are you part you're you're very no i'm not are you a virgin
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
And is this more, is this a religious thing? Is this, like, you just, you know, you just are?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Well, I guess just don't, like, whenever you want to, you will. Whenever it feels right, you will. But, like, just my advice to you on that is don't make it more special than it needs to be.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
uh respect it because it is a very powerful thing that most people don't respect but like it you know i think it's just a weird thing in in 2024 religion and and and other reasons you're making decisions aside but for someone like you yeah i don't i hope it's not the most memorable sex you ever have and i certainly hope it's not the most special sex you ever have Um, yeah. So just that's it.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
But yeah, it sounds like it's not really having that much an effect on your dating life. I'm sure like, let's like everything there's everything is a, yeah, everything works together, you know, on some level, but I don't think these men need to know much about that. Until you really feel comfortable with someone that you're dating.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
And, you know, until then you don't, I would be, this is a, you dating and you going out and meeting people is about you learning about them, not the other way around. It is their job to be curious about you and you can gauge your interest in them by how curious they are in you, but don't let their lack of curiosity trigger your ego and chase them for validation. You know, so.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
So he would, but you have no idea if that's a goal of his.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
All right. Well, just, you know, the final thoughts, I think it's about your general mindset and that changing that mindset to be adventurous. It's really just about that. This is not about losing your virginity. It's not about finding a boyfriend. This is about getting better at meeting people and learning about people. It's also learning a little bit about yourself.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
What do you learn about yourself when you're meeting these people? What do you find yourself being drawn to? Those are questions you ask yourself after dates, you know?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Face your fears. The biggest thing is, if you can say the thing, I'm not going to do it because I don't want to feel that, then know that you need to do that thing.
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That is your like big, that is your big, like the bat signal that says you're, you're, you're, you're avoiding this thing irrationally out of fears that are just fears. And when I'm, I need to just do it because you know, you, you need to feel these things. It's part of life.
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Make it simple. And let's just, you know, maybe you want to do 10 of those before you actually do a real date, but just make sure you're making some kind of progress, you know, and challenge yourself to like extend your comfort zone a little bit at a time.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Well, I don't know. But that's kind of my point, right? You've heard the word intention be used. It's a common... We throw it around nowadays. But it does articulate what people may need to do more of in certain situations, which is to be... more intentional with what you're doing with whatever it is you're doing.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Great. Well, follow up. We're going to follow up with you in like a month. Uh, and hopefully, hopefully by then you'll have at least gone on a zoom date, but hopefully a real person date. And I think the biggest thing is again, it literally doesn't matter who just make sure they have a heartbeat.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Okay. Okay. All right. And they seem safe. Yeah, for sure. Okay.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
And to be intentional means that you don't kind of go into anything or whatever you're being intentional with means you have less of like a laissez-faire, you know, like, we'll see what happens. And like, I'm just kind of open. And like, you know, you want some flexibility, especially when it comes to dating early on, right? Like, I think there's phases of dating
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where there's a, you know, the kind of more openness, laissez-faire approach, you know, you need a little bit of that early on because early on you have to be open to new things and be surprised and you have to take a chance on people who might be outside of your type or comfort zone or things like that. That being said, once you meet someone, you know, that you enjoy their company,
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
early on, you should have a pretty clear idea of what this person wants out of dating, especially if you do. Otherwise, like, what are you guys doing, right? That's how you get in this, that's how people get themselves in these traps. Like in your case, right, here you are, you're dating this married man, right? He's still married. That being said, he doesn't live with his ex-wife.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
His ex-wife is dating women now. So, you know, in terms of like, oh, is there still something going on between him? You know, it's like, you know, you, sounds like maybe the way he articulated his situation, you know, makes a lot of sense, right?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
And you can understand why maybe he's still married, but like you should have, if you know you want to get married, how long do you want to interact with someone, get to know them, spend time with them, maybe be intimate with them, invest real time before you understand if that's something they want to do? You know, that's different than knowing someone who's willing to do it.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Like, he's like, oh, I'm, you know, because, oh, I'm open to it. Okay, well, you know, it's still early. What I'm saying is, I think some point sooner than later, you need to maybe learn more about what this, like, guy's plans are for dating, right? Because... If you want to get, you know, you want to get married and you know, you like them, you know, do you want to take six?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
So what is, what is your understanding of the dynamic that you have?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Do you want to take six months to find out that this man really has no plans on getting divorced? And like, while he's open to getting married, it's not like something he really cares about. And yeah, You know, maybe you'll find out that at 49 years old, he wants to keep things pretty casual. He wants to keep, he likes having someone around.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
He likes having someone to like go on dates with, have dinner with. He likes someone to maybe have sex with if you guys start being intimate. And maybe he likes someone to like, again, like date and maybe even call you his girlfriend if you're willing to, you know, to find the relationship. But like, maybe he doesn't want to get all that serious.
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Or maybe he, you know, like how long do you want to wait to find that out?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
learned something from that okay well listen i i and i kind of partly agree with you but like you know again i'm not asking you to you know say hey i you know do you think you could marry me or anything like that it's not about what he how he feels about you but i do think you could get a little bit more information about what you really how serious he is about
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Again, what does he want out of a relationship? Why is he dating now? At 49 years old, people should know whether they want to date just to have companionship, but have a more independent life, or do they really want to date because they still want to find their life partner? Now that he is separated from his wife, 49 years old, you know, middle, very much middle-aged, right?
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
Very much has a lot of great years in front of him, potentially. He very much could be in a position where he's like, I really want to find someone that, you know, in these years, I have someone to enjoy life with and I want to find my person and I want to, you know, that would be, that would make a lot of sense. It also would make sense if he doesn't want that, you know,
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E909 Ask Nick - I'm Dating A Married Man
But I do think you should be willing to find out sooner than later. Because sometimes six months turns into 12 months real quickly, and then 12 months turns into five years. You know what I'm saying? And I think there's a part of you that is afraid to ask. I'm sensing, right? Because you finally got the guts to leave that relationship, but I'm guessing it took you a while to get to that point.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
You know, I tell a lot of callers to like focus on the things you don't like about someone who doesn't like you rather than obsess about what you're not getting. There's a limit to that. I don't want you, you know, getting a habit of being like, oh, you don't like me. Oh, well, there's something wrong with you. It's just more accepting that they're not your person.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Well, based on what you're telling me, I definitely don't think you should reach out. Okay. All right. Just for fun, just because we're here to have fun. Just convince me why I'm wrong. Okay. Well...
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Yeah, because you're, you know, what's changed, right? And the only thing that's changed is you've ruminated. When we ruminate, us ruminators are very good at like reconstructing things and then building them back up to fit our narrative. Because to me, what's changed? You know, I haven't heard from her. Nothing's really changed. You can't assume she feels differently about you.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
If you reach out again, you're, you're risking coming across as a guy who's not willing to like, listen to a woman who's set a clear boundary and, and doesn't want to see you again.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
And I would hate that for you. My guess is you probably have some regrets in, like, how you worded things or, you know, yada, yada. You almost want a second chance for her to have a last impression of you.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
That's fine. Especially if you're, like, running it by your sister and you're getting a woman's point of view. And that's the thing. It's only been a couple dates. You know what I'm saying? You probably didn't do anything wrong. This is not about like, you know, you met this person. She's just one girl. And you had a couple dates. But you know what I'm saying?
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
She, for whatever reason, and there could be a million reasons why that are very justifiable, that have more to do with what's going on in her life than your two dates, and she opted not to continue, right? And you're sitting here trying to figure out Did I do something wrong? Could I have said something differently? You know, who knows? Probably not.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Listen, I love that you say that. I love your admission because if nothing else, I think for all the ladies listening, I think, again, I always try to remind ladies, you know, because a lot of women listen to this. You are an example of a guy who was or is excited about a woman.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
and here you are reading into nothing, just like a lot of the ladies out there will read into things, and I'm here to remind you, men and women aren't that different. When we like someone, it's pretty obvious. You like her, for whatever reason, and now you're reading into this shit.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
doesn't mean anything it means that she was bored one day and you know listen like she's not a machine just because she decided to not hang out with you again i'm sure she was conflicted i'm sure you know she easily could be talking to her friends being like i don't know he was a good guy i don't know what the fuck i did but like i self-sabotage a lot blah blah but that's her journey and you're not here to heal her you're not here to recommend you're not here to like well just you know like therapy's really worked for me maybe you should get into therapy so that you won't self-sabotage us that's you know what i'm saying
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
I don't know what her reasons are. Her reasons are her reasons and they're valid. And all her reasons say to me is she is not your person. And the why doesn't really matter, you know, and she was curious about you, you know, I don't know. She, but if she really wanted to reach out, she has your number. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Right. She would have already done it.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
She's not trying to get your attention, you know, but like, and I don't know. Don't you, you go online. Don't is every person's profile. You, you, you look at or, or stock. Does it mean you want to fuck them or, or marry them or date them?
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
I'm sure she was second guessing her choice. I'm sure she was definitely thinking about you. We know that much, right? But other than that, it could be a million different reasons. And the point is, if she wanted to actually get ahold of you, she knows how to do it.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
She, you, right. You made it very clear that you weren't thrilled with her choice.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
So she knows where you are. If she, if she wants to talk, she knows where to find you. Again, there's a million reasons why. And you're just, I get it, you're bummed, you're hurt, you're excited about someone. And it's like, I totally empathize where you're coming from. I think it's important for you to recognize that you're still very fresh off of a divorce.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
You haven't even healed from that, right? And here you are worried about how vulnerable you might be reaching out to this new girl who you've only had two dates with. I think the big picture is, you know, you're still healing from this divorce, right? And there's a lot of unknowns in your dating life. And yeah, it sounds like you're excited to get back out there.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
What this should be for you is just a exciting reminder that you are capable of liking someone else and you are capable of making connections with other women, right? That's exciting. And that should remind you that you'll meet other people.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Well, the reasonable expectation comes from reminding yourself that you don't know this person at all. And you're both incentivized to be your best self on this date. So when you do meet someone on a date, or even if it's a fifth date, it's just like every time you go on a date with someone and you learn more, you can say, wow, this has been a really good date.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Man, I had a lot of fun today and I'd like to go on another date with you. And then when you get back from that date, you remind yourself, hey, I'm excited that I'm excited. But let's just remind my, I just need to remind myself that even though this could not have gone better, I feel like I learned a lot about her.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
There's a lot of things I'm super excited about, but I need, I need to slow down and I need to remind myself on day two, I still have a lot more things to learn about this girl and I need to take it slow. I need to, I just to slow myself down. Right. And so then you come back a little more curious.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
And again, like part of that's going to make you more attractive because like, as soon as we start being really excited, especially early on, um, We run the risk of, you know, scaring the other person off, not looking like, and that's, and that's what I think happened. Maybe. Yeah. I mean, you definitely could have hurt.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Maybe for all, you know, a friend got in her head being like this fucking guy just got out of divorce. He's not ready for another relationship. He's just like, you're just a rebound to her, him, blah, blah, blah. And that's where my mind has gone as well. Sure. But the truth is, there might be some truth there, you know what I'm saying? It doesn't even matter, because who knows what happened?
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
The point is, if a friend was able to convince her about how she felt about you, then she's not ready to be in a relationship with you. You know, um, the, you know, the, what happened, you, you know, I said this in my book, what happened is way more important than trying to figure out why it happened. Yep. You know, um, and what happened was, you know, you had two dates and she flaked on you.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Uh, and the why doesn't really matter. Because she could have handled it better. And how she handled this moment is very telling of how she'd handle herself in a relationship. I'm a big believer, obviously, that conflict reveals more about ourselves than being in a good situation. So we learned more about her through the conflict of her not sure of how she should handle being unsure about you.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Then we learned about how she was when you guys were vibing on these dates. I mean, maybe she's just being agreeable. As men, we also have to recognize that, you know, sometimes women just agree with us on dates because, well, quite honestly, I don't know if I should disagree with this strange man. You know, I'm being extreme here, but, like, that is something women think about.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
You know, you're a big guy, right? So, like, you know, when you're in a situation, you're like, I think this about you, and maybe she's just saying me too because fuck, you know? I don't want to piss this guy off. I'm not saying you're giving these vibes, but I think as men, it's just important to recognize that like, you know, women have different priorities. They have different concerns.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
They have different things going on in their lives. And more than anything, it's just a good thing to remind ourselves that two dates isn't much. And anytime we say to ourself, it feels like this, it feels like I've known you forever. It also means that you don't.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
No, you know, and you have to slow yourself down rather than you don't need to slow her down, you know, like that's her job, you know, and the more you slow yourself down, then you can say like, yeah, I'm really excited about you, but like, we'll see, you know, and boy, if you tell a girl, we'll see, she's going to, you know, that's going to trigger her ego and that's going to make you more desirable.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Okay. The best of your recollection, do you remember being the first one to express your excitement? Were you leading the excitement and she was following, or do you feel like it was kind of fairly...
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
So there's benefits to you slowing yourself down and taking the we'll see approach anytime you get excited about someone. Because it'll make them, especially early on, still feeling like they have to get to know you and get to see if you like them. As soon as you let a girl know you like her, the game's up, so to speak. And vice versa. And as humans, we love a challenge. We love all these things.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
But I think right now, big takeaway is, I think it's great that you're in therapy. I think it's great that you're trying to heal from your divorce. I think it's great that you're getting back out there, but I think as far as getting back out there, I think you should slow down.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
I think you being triggered by this person after a couple good dates, I think maybe is a reminder that maybe you're not quite ready to get back out there. Now, I'm not saying you should stop dating, but the fact that this girl that you went on two dates with kind of fucked you up a little bit emotionally...
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
I think tells me that you still have some healing to do because I think you're able to get caught up in the moment a little too quickly and it's distracting your healing.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
you know have this thought in their minds like oh he could get back together with his wife like it's not how would you feel you know i mean if you met a woman who was going through a divorce right so people like i'm kind of battling against that narrative in a way in my head sure but that's not for you to listen just like uh if you were a single parent you know under do you have kids Okay.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
So you don't, that's something you don't have to worry about. If you, but if you did have kids, that would be something you would have to, it would be in the back of your mind. It would be something you would have to address in dating. Some women would have more questions. Some women didn't care. I don't know, but it is, you know, you have baggage, you know, you're going through a divorce.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
We all have baggage. We bring in different baggage. The best way to have our baggage not be something that feels like baggage to someone else is to show the emotional maturity that you have dealing with it. Am I making sense? The best way to combat someone judging you from going through a divorce is to just handle yourself to, to be emotionally regulated. Right.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
And I think you have valid reasons to be frustrated that she goes to you and didn't reach back out. But either way, here's the thing. There are men out there that she's dating and they might be fuck boys. She is used to guys that she is liking. blowing her off, ghosting her, not giving her the time of day. And we all respond to that, you know?
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
And so here she is, you weren't giving guy who I like to chase, Now, that doesn't mean you did anything wrong. Right. You know? Right. But you have to put yourself in her shoes. So here she was expressing some hesitation about the speed at which things are going. She waited a couple days. Maybe she's testing you. I don't know.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
And then after a couple days, you were like, hey, what the fuck's going on? And maybe she read that a little aggressively. I don't know. Right. But again, she's so used to men probably like, you know, disappearing for weeks, you know, and she's put up with that. And here you are not even okay with a couple days.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
And the reality is, again, I'm not trying to criticize what you did, but you only had two good dates. And if she wants to fall off a grid and go on a bachelorette trip or hang out with her girlfriends for a week without hanging out with you, she has every right to do that. You guys had no relationship, zero expectations. You weren't really in a position to demand anything from her.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Not that you were demanding it, but like you were kind of like, hey, I want, you know, like this isn't fair to me type of energy, you know? Yeah, exactly. So, and coming from her position, she probably was like, you know what? This is too much for me, too fast. Right. That sounded very boyfriend and girl. It sounded like you had expectations.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
And quite honestly, after two dates, you shouldn't have much. I know. I know. You know, I'm not letting her off the hook. She's, there's different ways, but she doesn't, she's for me, she's out of the picture. This is about you handling yourself in these dating situations and coming across as a man who's in therapy and,
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
who's dealing with their divorce, who is very quick to put themselves in the other person's shoes so they can empathize with that person so they kind of don't go off the rails or aren't reactive. Because that's why we're reactive, right? Someone offends us, hurts our feelings, we're immediately triggered, our egos are kind of like, fuck you, you can't let this person treat you this way.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Then you demand a response from this person, yada, yada. As we get older, we get more mature. As we get therapy, it's just easier for us. I mean, if nothing else, what they show, doing this show and talking to a million people about what they're going through helps me empathize with people a lot more.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
It's very easy for me to be like, I don't know, well, if I were in their shoes, how would I handle it? I am programmed to do that now. It comes very naturally for me when I feel wrong or slighted to be like, well, what would I do?
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
And you ask yourself, well, right now you're going through a divorce and you're thinking, oh man, I can't figure out how are women going to treat me coming off a divorce? And you're just like, well, it's pretty easy to figure out. Even as a divorced man, if you went on a date next week with your equal, like someone who like...
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
separated from their partner the exact same day and was in the exact same process, you would have questions and concerns. And how she handled it and answered your questions and just how she carried herself would do more for you in terms of alleviating whatever concerns you had more than anything that she could say. Right. My big takeaway is I want you to just, you know, slow down.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Like, I don't think you're doing anything wrong. Just try to slow down a little bit. You know, I think if you call me up and was like, hey, Nick, man, like I've been dating this girl. We've had like five great dates. I'm really excited about her. You know, I'm going through a divorce right now. My big takeaway would be like slow to fuck down, man.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
I don't know what it's like to go through a divorce, but I do know they're hurtful and painful and messy, and you're going at a time in your life where I'm guessing 28-year-old you was not planning in being such a transitional period in their life at 38, and that can fuck you up a little bit, and that can get in your head. You're still really young. You have a lot going for you.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
You are among friends. But now is the time to really just be okay with being alone, be okay with healing, be okay with investing in yourself. Really try to be your best self, not so that you can go on dates and talk about how great you are, but just to really find those flaws, those areas of opportunity. If you really think you're an anxious attachment person, Explore that with your therapist.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Make sure they know what they're talking about. But, you know, try to get those tools so that you, again, something I'd want, if I were you and I talked to my therapist, is like, listen, man, like, man, this situation happened with this girl. I'm not here to talk about whether I should date her. But, like, I was just so anxious for those two days not hearing from her.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
All right. But no sex, though? No. No. Okay. Okay. When you say you first learned about love bombing, how did that come up? What do you mean by that?
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
And I'd love to figure out how I can, like, let that shit go, set it aside. You know, because that should have been the answer. The truth is, if you would have called me up right after this girl reached out, I would have been like, forget that she exists. For now, let her reach out whenever she's ready to reach out.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Let her make the next move because right now she's unsure about how she feels and you need to pull back in a way that makes her fearful about losing what she had in those two nice dates.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
thing in me like i want to see if anything is like actually still there if she's going to entertain you know it's all it's all in your head man you know what i'm saying she's triggered something in you she has scratched some sort of unhealed wound i don't know what it is i don't know explore that with your therapist but it is not because she is your person it is not because it's again she's just
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
I don't know, probably if nothing else, it was just, it was a feeling that you desire to have and you want to replicate. And you, you know, it's like you missed out. Yeah, you got to fix. You got to fix something you really enjoyed. And so now you just need to let it go and acknowledge that, you know, that's for you in the future. But right now, it's like a sugar fix, man.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
You know, I always like to use a food analogy, but like, Right now our patch kids. Yeah, exactly. Right. And so maybe now it's a reminder that you got that sugar fix and, and you're susceptible of binging again, you know, where in the future, if you really heal healed, you could get a fix and,
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And then process that fix and ask yourself, how can I incorporate this feeling slowly into my life without it like taking over my life? Because what you are describing is a feeling and not being able to understand that feeling and just wanting to replicate that feeling over and over and over again because it feels good. And that kind of sounds like an addict, you know?
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
yeah because like i am kind of like chasing that feeling like you said and it's and it's like it's it's it's not love it's excitement and that's what i'm like drunk on right right yeah because you probably i don't know i imagine going through a divorce or probably a period and then you and your your ex-wife are at each other's throats you're probably just fucking like surviving your marriage and just making each other more miserable i don't know you know
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
So, yeah, it's understandable why you're craving that fix and that feeling. But again, this is where the healing and the emotional maturity comes in and things like that. And I would keep investing in yourself, man. Like, keep going. Don't stop. You know, congratulations on everything you've made so far. But... Keep going until it becomes who you are and not something you're working towards.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
It's like, I want it to become old hat for you. I want it to be incorporated in your life. I don't want it to become like a diet. I want it to become a new habit you have. Wow. A lifestyle, right? And I think right now you're in this transitional period. You're very motivated by getting through this divorce. But what happens when the motivation ends?
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
What happens when you settle into your new normal? And when we settle into our new normal, we get comfortable, we resort back to our comfort ways. And our comfort ways usually, you know, sometimes if we don't have any guardrails, we'll snowball into like not being our best self, you know?
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Okay. When you say rejected again, did she end the fling?
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Anytime, man. Yeah, it's always nice to talk to the men dealing with some of the very similar struggles as the ladies out there. Can I offer you an unsolicited grooming tip?
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Good. I love it. Love the beard. Give me all you got. Trim the beard. Trim the beard. Trim it. It looks a little unkept a little bit. Yeah. Okay.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
it's giving a little like uh letting yourself go i trim trim the sides trim the sides go know what you need to do go to a go to like a barber shop yeah and ask them to like clean up your beard and let them do their thing okay that's what you should do okay yeah find a like a it's like right now i'm just like it's my first beard so i'm trying to go for length
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
That's something like, you know, I get it. Cause it's your first beard. It's a very boyish thing to do. I totally get what you're saying. And listen, at the end of the day, this is just a grooming tip for the future. When you're ready to get back out there as far, like if you, if you want to just fuck around, cause you're having fun growing a beard, then I'll just shut the fuck up in the future.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
When you're done having fun experimenting with this new beard, then, Go and treat yourself to a nice barber. Ask them to trim up your beard in a way that looks like both rugged and well-kept and have them do that. Yeah. Okay.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Yeah. Great. That's all I got for you. Thanks for calling. Keep us posted on how things are going for you and your healing journey and your dating life. Would love an update down the road as things go. But yeah, I would take a little break from dating. When this girl pops into your head, you just got to let it go.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
You know, you got to remind yourself it's not really her, it's what she represented. You know, she made you feel a certain way. And yeah, you're just replaying these dates in your head over and over and over. Again, what happened way more important than what was said or how, you know, why it happened and things like that.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
You know, the actions in early dating situations are far more trustworthy than, than what was said. Right. Very good. Thank you very much. All right. Take care, buddy. All right. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.
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Okay. I'm assuming you've heard from your ex and that's why you're reaching out.
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When did you break? So you broke up six months ago?
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Yeah, these are all good questions. A couple of things I want to say. When you say you know your anxious attachment, how do you know?
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I'm saying when you said he didn't get, he didn't like the opportunity that he missed your uncle's funeral for, he didn't get, you smiled. Which tells me you really enjoy being right. Yeah, listen, we all do. I think this is something to, you know, when I'm listening to you talk, it's just something I pick up on and we all like being right.
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Well, let's, let's finish, let's finish your story because you first called in basically saying, you know, my, my football playing boyfriend is in his off season. Does he just want to get back together? because it's his off season. And then now you're giving me context about your relationship. And obviously we're getting into some, you know, very deep kind of rooted issues.
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And what is a very long, you have, you two have a long history. Yeah. Like when did you guys meet? How long, like you're, you're 27.
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One hundred percent. All right. But I guess my point is, is that this isn't like, you know, I was kind of half expecting you to be like, yeah, am I dating this fuck fuck boy football player? We've been dating for like six months and then he went and played and now he's back. And should I give him some time? And that's not what this is. This is. I've been dating this guy since college.
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We have a long history. We probably, I'm guessing you guys have talked about like, you know, spending the rest of your life with each other. You've played house. I'm sure at times you've probably done it all right. And then, you know, you have a long history of these, all these scenarios and these stories that I'm sure you could share more stories that he let you down.
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I bet he has stories of things you did to frustrate him and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Um, so I guess back to, now that I have some context about your relationship, what are you really hoping to get out of this call? Like, are you considering getting back together with this guy? Are you sure that he wants to get back together with you?
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Okay. The reason I asked too, because I also think, you know, I say, I'm saying this kind of just to be a smart ass, but I do think you should reread the book about love bombing, right? Because my big point in my book was how we are misusing words and watering down the meaning of these words. I'm definitely not an expert in attachment styles. I know the basics of them.
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Are you not even sure if you know that for sure? Like, where are you at in terms of this relationship?
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Okay. So this to me is about, is your ex-boyfriend, is he willing to grow up or not? Right.
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I am not even doubting that the little bit you've probably read online or in a book, you're probably accurate. I'm just very cautious about us diagnosing ourselves. Uh, cause I think at times we, we like to latch onto these things and we go, it's like, I think it's one thing to have a better understanding of who we are and as people, how we handle our emotions.
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Well maybe it's, maybe it's one of the, maybe it's a little bit of both. I don't know. I, I'm getting the sense from you that you definitely play games for sure. We all do. Just giving you an example. I don't even know if you hear yourself, you know, you were like, Oh, he blocked me really pissed me off. You said, uh, and I was, you know, I was in a jump in, but I waited for you to kind of finish.
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And then you were like, that ended up being a good thing. But what's funny about that is I'm willing to bet that like, despite it being a good thing, you're still choosing to be pissed off that he blocked you because you feel like wronged by him. You're like, how dare you block me? But I can sit here not being emotionally invested in your relationship with him.
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And when you say he blocked me, I'm thinking, you know, you probably hurt his feelings because you wanted to break up with him. He blocked you to get a reaction. He didn't probably even know what he wanted in this moment. He was hurt.
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And you know me, if you've listened to the show, I tell people to block people all the time if it helps them move on from a relationship, a relationship that you decided to end. So he blocks you. You then act like the victim is if like, how dare he do this to me? And then you did what, you know, you needed to do, which is like you adulted. You grew up fast.
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You were able to it's like you're able to give yourself credit for doing the adult thing and figuring your shit out and the benefits that came from it. But you're still willing to hold on to the grudge that you have for him blocking you in the first place. Does that make sense?
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That's the thing. It's just like, this, this is a classic case. You know, you've heard me say it. I'm sure. Do you want to be right? Or do you want to be happy? Needs to be your new life model because I think you love being right so much. And I think you are often willing to be right over being happy.
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And I think a lot what I'm hearing about your and your boyfriend's relationship is about being right and you guys both forego happiness. Here is a man who potentially moved to a city for you and you're deciding to be pissed off about it because you've decided you own this city.
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And then I think sometimes I think we like to latch on these things is almost like excuses in our head to act a certain way or, you know, to fit in with a group. Oh, what's your attachment style? Well, I know my attachment style and things like that. And, you know, I think sometimes,
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you know what I'm saying and I have plenty of like things that I can nitpick about your boyfriend here you know to me I'm hearing you know if we want to like shit on your boyfriend because I'm you know I'm just shitting on you right now but like listen your boyfriend needs to grow up a little bit right like clearly this is a man who you know he's 28 years old and I know enough about football to know it's a young man's league and 28 is like you might as well be 70
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I'm slightly exaggerating, but this is a man who's jumped around from minor league to minor league. He's playing these random fucking teams in South Dakota or whatever. If he was going to make it to the big leagues, the NFL, he would have made it already. No NFL team is going to give a 28-year-old journeyman
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a shot whatever shot he had it's passed that is the fucking reality of the situation that you know and so i don't know if maybe he wants to be a coach i don't know there's maybe there's careers in football but like you have if if you're serious about this relationship with him it would be fair to you to sit down with your boyfriend and say hey listen man like we've known each other for a while i really like admire you for chasing your dreams
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But at what point I need to know that, like, if we get back together, like, we're done playing games. The only reason we should even get back together is if, like, we're, like, serious about a committed relationship. We've been in each other's lives for years. You know, we're family at this point if we choose to get back together. So it would be just, you know, but, like...
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Are you ready to grow up? Are you ready to actually get a job? And if your job is somewhere in football, but you need a goal, and right now your only goal is to keep playing football, and that's not a goal, and it's certainly not a career, and it's not something we can raise a family on.
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And I need a partner, and we sometimes need to ask ourselves tough questions, and we need to both challenge ourselves to be tough on each other. Knowing that you have a track background, and it sounds like you're still competing outside of college? You're still active? Yeah. So you're a highly competitive person. He's a highly competitive person.
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If you have a therapist that is, you know, studies this thing and wants to explore your attachment style and what you can do about maybe being an anxious attachment style, I'm all for that. But like randomly reading something about yourself online and then going forward, speaking about like, hey, I'm an anxious attachment style.
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You two, I guarantee, because I've said this to Natalie, like she's the first girlfriend I've ever had where I didn't feel like I had to compete with her. I told this to my therapist the other day and she was like, yeah, that happens all the time. When I say compete, I don't mean like you guys are like sitting down and playing Monopoly and fighting, which I'm sure that might happen too.
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My therapist is like, yeah, my ex-husband used to compete over who had the worst day. You know what I'm saying? It's like, I'm having a really bad day today. And then, you know, one upper is like, well, I had an even worse day, you know? And like, you know, I guarantee you to do that shit all the fucking time.
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I bet you guys compete over the dumbest fucking shit of who's had it worse or who's had a better blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You two need to learn how to be team players and you should be able to figure out because you competed on teams your whole life.
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But like right now, if you guys want to get back together, it's about being a team and you two need to both acknowledge where you felt short of each other of being a good teammate to the other person. You two are so fixated on being right, on winning. That is probably, I'm guessing, the crux of the problems that you guys have had, right? As far as your uncle's funeral, I can see both sides, right?
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Obviously, a father figure who passed away tragically, you want your partner to support you. This is a man who thinks he's chasing a dream. And while maybe disillusioned is that dream might be like, yeah, it's just like if this was, in fact, a real opportunity that could change his life in ways that he might, you know, never get another chance.
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You know, I met my wife by missing my grandmother's funeral. That's a true story. At the time, I thought I was just being a shitty grandson. Turns out my I have a daughter. You know what I'm saying? I'm a big believer there are moments in your life that can drastically change your life forever.
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I can name five off the top of my head that if I don't show up that day for this random fucking thing that I have had no idea would change the course of my life because of people I met, I wouldn't be sitting here today with you. All I'm saying is that your boyfriend who's chasing a dream and he has opportunity, it's not that easy to say, hey, you need to be here because someone passed away.
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And it's meaningful to me if they believe deep down this could change their life forever. You know, right. The point is, is you guys. Yeah. As a couple, neither of you were interested in sitting down and saying, well, can I hear why this is important to you? You guys are so quick to tell your version of the story. You want to be heard and he wants to be heard.
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And neither of you are willing to listen. That's the read I get after talking to you. Is anything I'm saying sound accurate?
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It only really benefits you if you're able to then address why you are the way you are and maybe learn some tools to stop being that way.
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Sure. Well, you guys met in college. You guys met at a very young age. You met with limited experience when it comes to being in relationships and handling your emotions, you know? So like, You don't need to be that hard on yourself. I think you both acknowledge you've made mistakes in your relationship life, especially in your early 20s. None of that really matters. You know what I'm saying?
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That's all. And if you guys were to entertain getting back together, you both need to understand you need to let that shit go. You need to let the past go. You don't use the fact, like, you guys have such a past that you're going to weaponize it against each other, which is what a lot of people do when they get back together after a breakup, you know, to give all this ammunition on each other.
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You're going to both have to acknowledge to let that go. It doesn't matter what was said, what happened three years ago. You're both maturing and hopefully different people. You can still learn from it, but you both have to let it go, right? So the big question is, is like, do you love this man and do you want to entertain a future with him?
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You're talking about the past. You're talking about the past. I want to know. I don't care. I don't. OK, let me ask this again. I do not care about the past. And let's assume that clearly you both and him have shit to work on. I'm not asking about practicality. I'm not asking how we're going to execute this or how to do that. I'm just asking what your heart feels.
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And if I was a genie capable of making your wish come true, would you want to be in a healthy relationship with this man? Or do you want to move on and explore a future with someone else?
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How long ago did you, uh, you and your wife separate?
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Yeah. Okay. Um, all right. So listen, also for, you know, back to love bombing, I don't know, maybe you guys did. I wasn't there, but I think there's a huge difference between two people being excited about each other on a date and kind of saying things. They don't really know what the fuck they're saying. Like, oh, I can't wait to introduce my parents. I don't think that's love bombing.
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What exactly did you say? Like you're a fucking loser and you're playing loser football. And I mean, did you go there?
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I mean, not great, but it could have been worse. Well, here's the thing. That's the thing. If you guys were to get back together, I'm glad that he even brought up couples therapy. You know, I think that's great. If you guys were to get back together, you should go immediately into couples therapy. That's just my opinion. Because I'm thinking, why waste each other's time?
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You guys have so much history. Let's not pretend this is like two people meeting for the first time ever. and if you guys do get back together, I want to entertain this.
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You already have this incredible head start because you have this history, and like I said before, you're at the risk of this history causing way too much unnecessary resentment and tension and you guys fighting about all the wrong things.
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It would really benefit you guys having some sort of intermediary to help you guide you through working through the shit that you need to work through and let go of the shit that is just baggage, right, of which you guys both just have a lot. That being said, listen, he also has to face some tough questions himself.
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And yet, you know, you would have to say, listen, like we both have done some shit that clearly we have both hurt each other. We've both made each other cry. We've we've we've really done some bad things to each other. I think we also agree that there's still a lot of love between us. So if we get back together, we just have to both agree to let that shit go.
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And again, I, you know, jump into couples theory to help us work on that and do that. But like he can't dangle that carrot and be like, well, I don't know if I could ever. That's such a like a. I think we use, it's a manipulation tactic, I honestly think. You know, I don't think we're doing it on purpose.
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It would be the same thing if you bring it, well, I don't know, you know, you didn't show up to my uncle's funeral. Like, I bet you would bring that up a million fucking times, you know, if you got back together when it was convenient. You know, any time he'd discipline, oh, you did it again.
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Listen, he, for example, he's going to have to recognize that when it comes to his football playing, he has been incredibly selfish. That has been his dream that he's been following. And it's a dream that he has been following with any like light at the end of the tunnel. There's been no reward. Hang on to me, babe. I got you. It'll all pay off at the end.
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He must at this point recognize that he is just playing just because he enjoys playing. And you know what? That's definitely a choice. I can't sit there and argue it. You know, listen, I don't have like my twenties. Fuck. You know, all my twenties were at this point in my life were just lessons. They were, that's all they are.
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There's a lot of people that were in my life, like girlfriends that were very pivotal in my life. I have no fucking clue where there are in their, in their life. Now I really don't know, you know, I've made friends, I lost friends, whatever, but all they are, it's lessons at this point, you know?
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And so if it's hard for me to sit there and criticize your ex-boyfriend for like, honestly, if, if he gets to be my age, right. Let's say he finally figures out, you know, he's like, I'm done playing football. And at 30, he could easily get back into sales. Well, fucking sales companies love ex-athletes. You could, you could walk, probably walk in. Is he a decent looking guy?
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Love bombing comes with intent. Love bombing, like say, for example, gaslighting is a term originally used to identify someone who was a little emotionally abusive. And then they, you know, and I don't, I don't, I've, I've just started talking to you, but I don't think either of you were emotionally abusing each other.
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So, you know what? He's a shoo-in for a med sales job. He has to have like a half a brain. He could be one of those guys and in 10 years he could be some, you know, regional director for some, you know, med device company making, you know, six figures and then He's just like, yeah, and I spent all my twenties playing the game that I loved. I have great memories.
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I've had all these friends and yeah, I was sleeping on a couch and all me and my, me and my now wife, like we fought all the fucking time. He won't have a single fucking regret of playing the game he loves. So it's, you know what I'm saying? What matters is what is he going to do with his life when he finally realizes, Hey man, all right, enough is enough. Right.
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And I don't know if now is that time. I don't know if you're going to be the reason. And you have the right to say, listen, I don't want to sit there and I said a lot of hurtful things that I regret. At the same time, I do want to think about my future, right? And if whatever relationship I get into, I want a partner. I think we could have been better teammates in a relationship.
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I think sometimes as teammates, we need to be more supportive and be each other's cheerleaders, but also we do have to challenge each other to make tough choices in our life. And listen, if you want to be in my life, I need you to make less selfish decisions about your own personal life. You got to play football throughout your 20s.
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I could have been a more supportive person, but at the same time, I didn't know any better. When you're 24 years old, You think I should get married now. I should get engaged. Where are we at? You know, now you guys have the benefit of hindsight realizing, I don't know, maybe I didn't want to get engaged either. I just thought I should, you know? And so now you guys have to figure this out, right?
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And so it's just about both of you acknowledging that you both brought tension into the relationship. You both brought drama into the relationship. You both were self-centered and selfish. You may have had the best intentions. When you were criticizing each other, you both thought you were convincing each other. You're convincing yourself you're both helping the other person out.
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Instead, you were just being demeaning and criticizing and things like that. It's a balance. So listen, again, that's what I mean. You got to let the past go. And all that really matters is do you two love each other? And do you two want to make a future with each other? And are you both willing to do the work? It's that simple. It doesn't have to be that complicated.
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And you need to let go of the funerals. He needs to let go of the videotape, you know, and call it even Steven.
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I think it sounds like both of you were a little excited about the dates that you were on. I don't know anything about her, but I can imagine why you would be excited. Hell, you're going through a divorce that's emotionally, it fucks you up. You want to move on from that. You go on a date with someone that like, fuck, it's going great, man.
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I imagine when you got divorced, there's a lot of fear about like never finding love again and yada, yada, yada, or even connected with anyone. And here you are connecting with this woman. Very understandable why you'd get excited about that. Right. That's not love bombing. Love bombing is saying things to someone else.
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You know, everything else is all kind of very human nature. You know, like you said, you guys are very comfortable with each other. When you're going to get together and have a date night and come to each other's houses, you're going to have sex. Why? Because this is what you guys do, and it's so comfortable.
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It's just like, I don't know, maybe, you know, assuming he's maybe been on a few dates too, maybe he's hooked up with a person here or there, but for the most part, you know, like you guys bring, you know, again, it's very easy for you guys to be your emotional support system, to be your physical support system. So that's what you fall into. Right.
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And then neither in both of you in that moment have that need. So you give into that need. And then the next day, you know, you kind of reassess all of a sudden once that needs met, then you have other needs. Right. And again, you've done the work. He hasn't also like you're a woman. He's a man. So you're probably a little bit more mature than he is. Who knows?
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And then obviously sex is going to affect you differently. That's going to affect him. Right. all those elements come into play. But nothing, you know, nothing I said really changes, right? Like all it is is maybe to your point, a little bit of a wake up call of where you are or where he isn't, right? So nothing really has changed for you.
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You could say, listen, like it felt like, I know you didn't mean it, but it just seems like obviously it just fucks me up a little too much when we play house, have sex, And then obviously, I know you don't mean to, but it's definitely kind of it.
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It makes me sad or, you know, hurts a little bit when all of a sudden you're just like, I don't know what I want because now I'm kind of I have to get over you again. I care about you. Like you guys need to stop pretending that you guys don't love each other or there's not some love there. You guys are so and that's where the game playing comes in.
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You two have been in each other's lives for too long.
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to just play these stupid fucking games about like do you like me do you not like me do you care about me do you not care about me like jesus christ the you guys clearly care about each other you're still you're still in each other's lives uh you have every reason not to be but you still are so something's bringing you back and maybe it's just like you know the history but again i do think you have the right to set some boundaries here it's like listen i'm gonna put it out there
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if I had my wish, if I had one wish, and when it comes to my relationship life, it would be in a healthy relationship with you because I love you. I want to admit that. I don't think we're capable of that right now. And that makes me sad, you know? And yeah, I don't know. I have been doing a lot of work and you have your own journey too.
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But like, like I said before, if you felt the same way about that, I feel, then yeah, I would want you to do some work on your own. And then yeah, maybe we'd have to get couples therapy. Right now, it's clear that football is your number one priority. I'm not here to tell you what to prioritize. But if we want to work on this, we need to be each other's top priority.
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Like, for example, let's say you went on a date with this girl and all you want to do is fuck, man. You just wanted to get laid. Right. And so here and you thought that if you told this girl that you were falling in love with her, that she would drop her pants and have sex with you. And so you said, I love you. And then you had sex and then you were like, peace out. That would be love bombing.
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And yeah, that might include you not playing football for the sake of playing football. I definitely want to get into a relationship with someone who kind of knows what they want to do with their life and their career. And I honestly, like you would have to offer him some kind of like, as of a reflection, I'm again, really sorry for how I handled the, handled things about your football playing.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
I think I was a little immature. I think I was, you know, there was a lot of reasons why I did a lot of things I regret. I do need to have a future with you, but I, I, I do really respect you chasing your dreams. I think it's, I think you're going to be really glad that you played football as long as you did. And I think that's really cool. That being said, we are 28.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
We're getting to the point of our lives that if we want to have a family and plan a future, now's kind of the time to start thinking about that. And that's kind of where I'm at. So if you want a relationship with me, yeah, I need to see you more focused on the future and I need to not have football be your number one priority.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Because the truth is we probably shouldn't have been dating when we were dating because like football was your number one priority. And I was just too stubborn to like accept that. And I tried to be your number one priority while football clearly was. And that's okay. I'm not even mad about it. It's just like, that's just the reality. You know, that's the thing. It is the reality.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
He wants to say, no, babe, you're my number one priority, but also football is, you know, it's like, there can't be both. Stop bringing up the past. Other than like, hey, I want you to talk about the future with this guy.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
You can acknowledge, hey, I think we have things in the past that we both are triggered by. We have both hurt each other. I don't really want to get into that. But like, all I know is that we keep coming back in each other's lives. I'm very confused about how I feel about you. But I'm not confused that if we could figure out how to be healthy together, I would want it to be with you.
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I hope you feel the same about me. You know, we clearly can't do this on our own. I'm honestly like, I would definitely explore going to a couples therapist with you if we decide to get back together. I don't know if that's something you want to do, but like, again, you got to humble yourself to not be right and just put out what you want. and see if he wants the same thing back.
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You're not like right now you're hedging your bet. You just, you know, you're, you immediately, you can't start a conversation. I'm willing to forgive you. That's putting you on a higher level than him. It's just like, and yeah, of course he's going to be like, well, what about the things I need to forgive you for? You know?
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
You need to recognize that as long as you guys have been in each other's life, you've both hurt each other a lot. And he has, he has a long list of gripes too. I bet if he called in, I could be like, I bet I'd be talking to the same person.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
That would be fucked up because then you played to her emotions. You made a promise knowing that you didn't feel that way, but you wanted something in return. And love bombing happens when you express some kind of love or affirmation, not because you feel that way, because you're trying to get something from them. You know, and again, the very common one is like, there's a
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Before I go, cause we have to wrap this up. What do you, I want, cause I haven't, what do you, what do you think I think you should do? I'm not, I'm not convinced you've heard me. And even though I've said it 20 times,
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
What would, yeah. But what would, what, what would you say to him?
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
I've said, you know, I've gone on these like three minute tangents and you're nodding and nodding. And then before I, as soon as I finish, you're just like ready to fucking go and all. And I don't really, I mean, I don't care. This is your time.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
You know, I don't, it's not about my feelings, but if I were someone, for example, like your ex-boyfriend who wanted to feel like I was being heard, that would give me the opposite feeling. You know what I'm saying? I would want, maybe you've heard it to like, you know, if I get done talking, Speaking for 60 seconds passionately about something and expressing how I feel.
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To feel heard, I'd want that other person to maybe let some air go between. First, acknowledge what I'm saying. Oh, well, actually, that makes a lot of sense. Maybe ask a follow-up question. give a shit about what they said. You are just waiting to speak.
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And, and you're, and not only are you waiting to speak, you're like, you're at, you're, you're already going 70 miles per hour, two seconds into your conversation as if like you shot out of a cannon because you're just waiting for him to shut the fuck up. And I guarantee you, that's how he feels.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
So that's where we, but you're both, you're both athletes. You're both competitive people. You're both love being right. You both love winning. Yeah. I get it, right? But you both have to acknowledge. And when you speak to him, you need to, again, focus on listening to him. You need to use we and us language. You have to stop saying shit like, I'm willing to forgive you.
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It's more like we have a long history. We have both hurt each other. And I don't think it's we've hurt each other because we've tried to. I just think we're both stubborn people who love to win. And I think we should both acknowledge that. And we should try to focus on how we should stop hurting frustrating each other and playing games with each other and get on the same page.
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hookup situation a girl's like well what does this all mean to you and you're like what means I love you baby and then you have sex and you're like bye you know and you're only saying you know how you feel about her because you think that'll get you laid that would be a version of love bombing right and I don't think that's what's going on here I think you guys got excited about yeah you guys got excited about each other you got a little carried away and then she said time out you know
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
We and us, we and us, we and us, we and us, we and us. Write him a letter as if you're speaking to him and practice we and us language because right now it's you and me, it's I did this and you did that and I'm right and you're wrong and you know what I'm saying? That's how you guys talk. And when he speaks, listen and think about what he is saying.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
And, and if you have a question about what he is saying for clarification to like show him that, you know, do that, but don't just start talking because that will, that will make him feel like, you know, a fuck about what he is saying.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Okay. All right. Well, hopefully this was helpful.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Again, you stop. It's, it doesn't suck. Right. It's just, you're so used to just making problems out of nothing. Yeah. You could be like, listen, I hope you have a really great birthday. I'm thinking of you. I care about you. Just be fucking nice. All you have to think about is saying nice fucking shit to him. I hope you have a happy birthday. I'll be thinking about you on your birthday.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
I want to figure out if we can be in each other's lives. If any part of you sees a future in me, I would love to have a conversation when I get back about what that looks like. If not, I totally get it. Then maybe we should move on. But you have to use less aggressive language. It has to be inviting. It's got to be us and we. You know what I'm saying? Stop trying to fight. Stop trying to win.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
There you go. You can text him. He's very much still in your life. Uh, but yes, you can text him happy birthday. Well, keep us posted. I'm invested. I would love to, I'd love to get an update. Uh, I'd love get them on the phone. I'd love to talk to both of you. I bet I would learn a lot about both of you. And maybe that's step one.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
I'm sure I'd find a way, but yeah, seriously, I would, I would love to have you guys call in together because I could probably figure out one way or the other. Cause you, you really too, you guys got to get on the same page. You're way too competitive, but there's a lot, there's a lot of love there. So, you know?
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
All right. But first sit down with them and just be vulnerable about what you hope with this man. And regardless of how he responds, Just be glad and grateful that you are able to be vulnerable and honest with him about how you feel. You've wasted too much time saying something and immediately having an expectation of him of how he cannot disappoint you. And that's not a recipe for success.
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But we all do. All right. All right. Take care.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Okay. Why do you think men that you date see you as your therapist?
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What's happening prior to you getting to the point where you're in a where you have some kind of rapport with these men that they would be texting you on a regular basis?
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Okay. And minus what's going on on the text, do you like the fact that you are texting on a regular basis with these people?
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Just out of curiosity, how do you decide what men to go on dates with?
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Yeah, that makes sense. But I'm curious, like when... And I'm glad you have that answer. You're looking for men who kind of are established in their lives, but it seems like you're going on dates with men who aren't.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Yeah, but I got you. I mean... And listen, I don't know. I mean, on a dating app, I'm not necessarily recommending as soon as you match with someone, be like, all right, what do you do for work? How much money do you make? And do you love your job? You know, like.
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That being said, I mean, I do think you can try to figure out someone who, yeah, I don't know. I do think, do you love your job would be a great qualifying question for you to ask early on in dating.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Okay. Well, hard to pick up on things chatting in the apps. Much easier to just ask. I think do you love your job is a great question. It tells you a lot of things about people. For you, it would tell you if someone likes their job. And you know right off the bat that a man who doesn't love his job, I mean, we're talking about a whole lots of problems potentially.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
You know, there are exceptions to all the rules, so to speak, but call it misogyny. I don't know. Call it whatever you want. I don't know. But I still think the social expectations or the norms are that for anyone who wants to settle down, as they say, and start a family, I think more women are comfortable with the idea of,
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Maybe they work, maybe they don't, you know, it's like maybe they want to stay home and have kids.
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I think they are open to having that conversation, you know, where I think for whatever reason, right or wrong, I think men feel if they don't feel established in their career, I guess, regardless if they want to settle down and have a family or not, they feel judged by themselves, judged by society, judged by their future partners.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
They feel like they're, you know, they're not where they should be type of thing. So there's that. Now, I am in no way trying to suggest, obviously, for other ladies out there who are very invested in their professional careers and want to do so even after kids, I think that's beautiful and I think that's amazing, yada, yada. I'm just talking about societal expectations, you know what I'm saying?
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
So after the second date, but before she ended things. Correct. Okay. All right. Go ahead.
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And so I think when you find a man who can admit he doesn't like his job, that's almost certainly a signal that this is a man who very much has more questions than answers when it comes to their future.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
And so if you're looking for someone who you don't want to be used as a therapist, if you are someone who, well, one is maybe, are you in there? I'm guessing you've done some therapy.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
I'm guessing you have a lot of friends who go to you. I bet you even like giving advice.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
No, no. I'm just saying in general, I bet you like giving advice. I bet you're good at giving advice. And I bet you have a lot of friends who go to you for advice.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Yeah. All right. So despite you not like doing it to the men you date, you are definitely attracted to men who need your advice.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Yeah, it's just, you know, there is a theme here and the theme is you. So, you know, we all have to recognize when we see patterns in our lives, we have to recognize we're the pattern, you know?
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
So, yeah, step one, ask them, do you like your job? That could be your third question to every guy you match on the apps. you know, and you could do it in a way that's like, I was just curious. I'm just like, I just, I just find that to be a really interesting question. So why do you ask? Like, Oh, I don't know. I just, I mean, you're like, I'm at dating apps, man.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
I'm just trying to get to know people, you know, like, yeah, no, yeah.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
You know, so one, I honestly think that would that would that would cover a lot of ground that, you know, minus that. Let's say you ask that question. Some guys like, oh, yeah, I love my job. It's great. And then you like, oh, it's going to date. You have a couple of dates and officer your third date. Obviously, you feel like, oh, I'm I'm being this guy's therapist again.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Maybe don't be so empathetic off the bat or something. I don't know. You're, you're doing, you're clearly giving the, you are making these men feel comfortable enough to open up to you, you know? So there's something you're doing, you know?
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
As someone who gives advice for a living these days, I'm a sucker for someone who needs advice. You know what I'm saying? I like it too much. I have to recognize that. And I think you like it too. When someone's like, hey, can I ask your advice? You perk up. You're like, yeah, great. Even if it's a date, you're like, oh, I don't want to do this, but what's your question? You know, like...
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Yeah. But you probably offer you might even offer some good advice. And what do you think they're going to do when they get good advice and to come back for more?
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
you know um so one you need to challenge yourself whether it's meeting people on in the real world or on on dating apps you have to challenge yourself to actually only go on physical dates with men who have in some way shape or form show you that they are happy with their life okay you know how old are you i'm 31 oh what's the age of the men that you're often dating
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
That's a huge generalization. So I just want to acknowledge that. But, you know, I don't think nowadays, I don't think men maturing, men have always matured slower than women. And sadly, I think they're maturing even slower than before. That's a larger conversation we need to have on society. But,
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
The point is, is that it's going to be easier for you to find a man who, you know, you know, like I'm in my 30s. I was I was sleeping on my friend's couch. I was taking a huge risk in my life. And, you know, it's slightly different. But like I was definitely not excited about like I wasn't ready to settle down and have a kid, you know.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
So in general, as a 31 year old woman, you know, you might have more luck with a guy who's in his mid to late 30s or even early 40s, you know. I think a lot of guys nowadays, they'll get their first job, especially if they're in the business world, and they will get bored of that job. They want to take a big swing. They want to take a big risk. Sometimes that risk works out. Often it doesn't.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
And then they have to reassess that failure of that risk in their early to mid-30s. And that can be very crippling for them as far as their relationships they're in. Because again, I think if a man feels like a failure in his professional career, he's almost incapable of being a good partner. Again, there's a deeper conversation there in terms of the why.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
But as far as you're concerned, I think it's about you asking better qualifying questions early on when you're dating these men. And then when you get on these dates with these men, still being mindful that you have a habit of wanting to solve these guys' problems. And you really need to try to find men who really aren't quite... Because there's no fix. You know what I'm saying?
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
You're always going to be you. I don't think you should change who you are. I don't think you should stop giving advice, especially if you're good at it and you enjoy doing it. I think there's a place for you in this world.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
I think you just have to be mindful of who you're surrounding yourself with because you don't wanna, you know, you're gonna run the risk of always being the smartest person in the room or the most emotional regulated person and you can get off on being right and you can get off on being the person who gets advice and I think it's important for you to surround yourself with people who don't need your advice.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
And I think if you're in a room with people who don't need your advice, I think you can potentially feel a little bit unnecessary and get insecure sometimes. I think you're so used to being this person that I think you should challenge yourself to get in rooms where no one needs your advice.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Yeah. And then when it comes to men you're dating, same thing. I think you just really need to challenge your, you know, stop wasting your time going on dates with men who made it very clear that they're just not settled with where they're at in their life. And if that means you go on less first dates, then so be it.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Yeah. I mean, really, it just comes down to those little things, you know? So I'm really curious. Actually, I'd love for you to follow up if you actually start asking, do you like your job?
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
And don't make it so loaded, right? Don't have it be the very first question. Do you like your job? You know, maybe two or three questions in, you know, ask a couple softballs and just like, do you like your job?
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You know, if they're like, actually, it's fine. I don't know. I fucking hate it. I'm looking to do other things.
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And don't feel like you need to explain it to them, especially if it's like somebody you just matched on the app. You can ghost.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Don't immediately ghost. Figure out the conversation, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Again, don't start to be their therapist. Well, just so you know, I'm just looking for men more established. If you don't like your job, you don't explain yourself. You don't know these people. They're just strangers. Yeah.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Yeah. So, yeah. I bet you would weed out a lot of people.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
I don't think you should fuck around with anyone younger than you.
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If you're meant to be dating a younger man, he will find his way into your life.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
You don't need to open up your dating search for all 30 and 29-year-old men.
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Because then you're just opening up the door for the 29-year-old who wants to feel mature for himself and maybe just into dating a woman who's two years older than him. You know what I'm saying? It's just like, eh.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
But your big qualifier just should be, do you like your job?
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Or to ask them what's one thing they really love about their life.
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Yeah, it's tough out there. I don't know if there's a ton of positive men. Positive. There are, you know, I do think we need to do something about our men are failing and sad. I'm worried for my daughter. But anyways, there's there's some good ones still out there. You know, you need to find your equal, you know, and remember, you're looking for one, not many.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
And and and just you have to challenge yourself to not be their therapist if you don't want to be their therapist.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
All right. Well, keep us posted. I'd love to know if that if that question is serves you well.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
What did you say in response to her when she sent you that it's not you, it's me message?
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Okay. Who knows, right? I mean, what I know for sure is that after the first two dates, she felt a little uncomfortable in the speed in which you guys were moving, right?
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
correct why how i don't know right and and so we don't we know that right so is it possible that this message that she sent you in the middle of the night was really just about how to reset expectations with you and then move forward it's possible it's also possible that like in the back of her mind she you know was already kind of questioning how she felt and maybe psyched herself out i don't know
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
it doesn't really like too much yeah who knows it doesn't really matter one advice i want to give to you as you enter in the dating world is uh stop giving you know is it nice to have a nice date sure of course uh it's even better to have two dates in a row that are nice but that's all they are is there two really great dates that really don't mean anything in the grand scheme of things
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
you know what i'm saying like is she your person is she not your person i don't know so many did so many very you know right you could just be two people maybe maybe the reason why you both had fun is that for different reasons you were both anxious and excited about having a connection at all right here you are fresh off the divorce anxious for and desire to connection we are we understand that right maybe she has got something going on in her life for for for different reasons she had the same desire to have this connection
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
And in this date, the environment was set up for two people to connect in a way that they were just both excited about. Does that mean you guys are in love? Does that mean you guys are each other's person? Does it mean you're compatible? We don't even know. Unclear is the point, right? And so it's very easy for someone in your shoes to be like, oh, man, we just had sex.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
we had two good dates, man. I'm just, you're just, you get fixated on the fact that you had two great dates and you start glorifying your head about like, they're just two nice dates. Right.
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And I'm not trying to discourage you from this, but it's just more like you gotta be, when you have a nice day, it's, it's fun to get excited, but it's also like, you just gotta have to pump the brakes, you know, just, you need to pump the brakes, you know? And if I were to give you a small note and I don't think this really changed the outcome, um,
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
But when she messaged you all these, like this long message, right. And that was like how she is feeling about the speeding your relationship. And the only thing you responded back was I'm down for all of this.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Oh, no, no, no. Okay. All right. All right. Yeah. Because you want to do some kind of like, yeah, you're right. Thank you for pointing that out. I think we are moving too fast. Thanks for, you know, thanks for calling us out on that. Yada, yada, yada. I think we're down. Listen, the fact that she wrote that message, you agreed to it.
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And then you'd never really kind of heard from her after that tells me that more likely than not, that she was kind of mentally frustrated. checking herself out from this relationship. And you know, is it you? I don't know. It probably is more her than you. I don't know. Even if it was like, I decided I didn't like him. She doesn't really know. She doesn't even know how she feels about you. Right.
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Maybe she just psyched herself out. You know, who knows? I don't think you should reach out because all your reasons for reaching out are mostly based off of two exciting dates and then making a lot of assumptions about how you thought you felt about her. Right. And she is entitled to to feel how she feels. She is entitled to not want to go on a third date. She knows how you felt.
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And even if she was testing you and you failed her test, you don't want to deal with something, you know, the fact that she, she didn't handle herself the right way. You know what I'm saying? She did leave you hanging. It doesn't make her a bad person, but like maybe not your person.
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E861 Ask Nick - Stop Being The Fixer
Whatever. Yeah, I would spend less of your time worrying about her emotional maturity, you know, because I think it's very easy to be like, oh, well, you know what? She is not mature enough. I mean, listen, if that helps you move on, great.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And, but what does it change? It doesn't change the memories, the history. It doesn't change your relationship with your grandfather. It's just, it's information. And the, and the reality is, is before this, you know, 23andMe and AnswersforYou.com and all these DNA tests, it's like, you know, sometimes ignorance is bliss. I mean, I don't know.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Information is only useful if there's something to do with that information.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Well, as far as my head is, listen, like nothing's like, first of all, your, your grandfather's in his eighties, this other man's in his nineties. Like, first of all, I'm guessing they're not very online. You probably don't even have to wait if you want to connect with this aunt or these other people.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
If you and your sister want to discover these things with all the other family members involved, but I don't think you need to bother this old man who doesn't want to be bothered. I don't think you need to drop this bomb on your grandfather when your dad's instincts are that he doesn't need to know anything.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
But everyone else involved, if you guys want to meet up for coffee and write letters and Facebook each other and maybe just share information and then maybe connect with people who are biologically related to you, and if you want guys to develop relationships, by all means. I don't think you really need to...
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
impact these elderly people and and kind of take them to task for something that happened 65 plus years ago when it's not really gonna bring anyone any joy or resolution And again, like if your dad decides he wants to do something, that is your dad's prerogative. And everyone, you know, you can still be curious and you can still learn, you know, and it doesn't require you harassing old people.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
You guys should be absolutely checking in on dad and not pressuring him to say whatever you need, you know, whatever you want, we support you. That's all your dad should be hearing from your mom and you and your sister.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And yeah, if you guys want to be curious, be curious with the people indirectly involved, not directly involved, you know, this man's son, you know, if you guys have access to him, maybe you can get more information from him. Maybe you can,
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
gently build a relationship with him so that maybe if your biological grandfather keeps on living, maybe he will be compelled to pull maybe some information or soften his dad up. I think there's just tactful and better ways of doing this than convincing yourselves that you have the right to know and this man owes you the truth.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
and you're going to knock on his door and lecture him about his religion and call him a hypocrite because he's not willing to own up for his decisions when he was 20. I don't know if that's the move.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And I think you can like, you know, you can be curious. You can even have fun with, I don't know, but like, and you know, but you know, also walk before you run. These might, these might be people you have no interest in bringing into your lives related or not. Like they are.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
So, you know, just be careful what you wish for. You know, I would just be very, you know, again, you can discover a lot from the sidelines. I'd just be, take it slow and ask yourself why you're doing this and who you're in, who's, who's it really helping if anyone, and that's fine. If it's just like, you know, it's really not helping anyone.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
I just want to know because, and like, we just need to be more honest with ourselves by our motivations of why we do things. And sometimes we, for the story or for the plot or for the drama, it's fine. But just make sure that when you're doing that, your decisions aren't impacting other people negatively.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
hard for me to continue i i'm being as supportive as i can and trying to do as much as i can to help her so well just one keep doing that right i mean it's uh obviously like i've learned that like you know um and i'm sure you are are noticing you know like your experience is going to be very different than her experience you know i don't know what it was like for you when you found out your wife was pregnant the first time uh or or this time as well
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
You know, for me, it was like one of those things where, you know, sometimes you get news and it's like really exciting. And then like, and then you're like, nothing really changes, you know? It's like, I mean, weirdly, the only good analogy I have is like comparing it to like When like you find out like, oh, it's going to be like The Bachelor, right?
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
You know, there's this big announcement and everyone's really excited. And then, but you don't film for a while. So then, you know, you're like, all right, well, you kind of go back to your normal life and you have this really crazy news that you know is going to change your life. But that...
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
That's not happening yet, you know, and as a father, right, there's not, you know, as a mother, you know, she feels her body changing, she feels all these things, she's already feeling connected to this baby. And I think as a father, that happens over time. You know, like once River was born, the moments in which I found out Natalie was pregnant became more meaningful in a weird way.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
It's like it went back in time in a way, you know? And I think about the time in which I found out Natalie was pregnant with River has a stronger memory now that I've met River than when I first found out Natalie was pregnant, if that makes sense.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
yeah i'm more connected to like finding out or hearing river's first heartbeat type of thing you know because now i have this tangible child you know where like i feel like natalie felt like more connected to river quickler you know i don't know how that's like for you yeah i know that makes sense we actually have our our ultrasound next week to hopefully hear the heartbeat for the first time so we're very excited about that that's exciting she just has been going through the morning sickness
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Because I, you know, the, Yeah, it's like, well, part of the is because when, you know, when Natalie got sick when she was pregnant with River, it sucks. And then anyone who, you know, your doctors or anyone who's had a kid before, it's like, oh, well, you know, it sucks that you're throwing up. But that's a good thing because it tells you that your hormones are working.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And so, and then when you feel less sick, you know, the first thought is, oh, is there something wrong, you know? Yeah. The fact that your wife had a miscarriage, again, all you can do is... It's a fine line between... I have found a fine line between trying to be as optimistic as possible, like everything's going to be okay, or saying things like, let's just...
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
be positive and things like that because you don't want to you want to allow your wife to feel whatever she wants to feel and and does feel right and there's a fine line between trying to be supportive and and letting her know it's going to be okay versus allowing her to you know feel what she feels if that makes sense uh you know i don't there's not a perfect way to doing it it's just you know just try to you know bring pot you know the the the thing the best thing you can do right now
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
is to bring as much positive energy you can without being obnoxious about it right and so your wife is going to naturally worry about things right and hopefully a lot of her worries will just be that just worries about you know the possibilities of things going wrong once you're natural as much as you can is to not invite new worries into her and your brain, right?
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
It's your job to be positive, even if you're not constantly showing up and being like, hey, it's all going to be okay. Maybe it's just your attitude is positive. You know what I'm saying? It's nice to have your partner know of your worries, but I would think right now I wouldn't project any worries that you have towards your wife, you know, if that makes sense.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
So I'd start, I'd start there and just like, yeah, whatever you can do to make her life easier. You know, like I, you know, something that I'm, I know Nellie and I are really proud of is that we worked really hard to have a very stress-free and happy environment while, while Nellie was pregnant, you know?
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And so we really focused on trying to create a calm atmosphere and things like that around Natalie when she was pregnant. And I think just try to focus on that. Just keep whatever you can do to bring the spirits up, to bring positive energy around your wife, I think will pay dividends throughout the pregnancy and just kind of be supportive.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Okay. What is the problem, I guess? Not that that's like, I don't know. Was he adopted? Has this created family drama?
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And then, you know, we, you know, now that I, we didn't do any like classes or things like that. I just really was following her lead. She, you know, she read a lot of books and she talked to a lot of people and I, you know, I guess I just try to be supportive and it seems like you're doing that. And then once, you know, once your child's born, um,
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Well, I mean, you know, your jobs aside, right. Like I, early on, I tried to be like, I didn't, for me, I did there, it was our job to be parents. Right. And so Natalie breastfed early on, obviously there's, there's things that are outside of my control, but, But I was there to help warm up the breast milk. If she pumped, I was always cleaning the pumps. I was helping change River.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
If Natalie had to get up in the middle of the night to breastfeed River, I got up with her and burped River. So it wasn't like Natalie felt alone while I'm sleeping. I never wanted to... Now granted, at the same time, we were very fortunate to, Natalie's mom stayed with us the first six weeks and we're very lucky to have in-laws that are easy to be around.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
We both generally think that of each other's parents, so we're lucky that way. so we had a lot of help that, you know, I would try, I would say yes to help that you have, as long as you feel like that help is actually helping and not bringing drama and, and things like that. But if it, you know, say yes to the help that is available to you guys, as long as it is actually helpful.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Yeah, I mean, and every family has to deal with that, right? You know, you got to provide for your family. I think it just comes down to your challenge is going to be is that, you know, when you aren't working, you'll be tired, right? Right now, when you have your days off, that's the time for you to ideally recoup and relax and recharge, you know, as a new dad, right?
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
you're going to have to change that mindset. Now, for me, I really enjoyed and embraced being a dad. And so it's not like I was loving waking up in the middle of the night when I had to, but my mindset was, I get to be a dad. I get to take care of my kid. I... I still get excited.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
One of my favorite parts of every day is waking up and grabbing River out of the bed and changing her and starting her morning and letting Natalie sleep in a little bit. And I just love greeting my daughter. And is there times where I'm tired or crabby? Sure. But I really just... My mindset is I get to do this. And I think parenting is hard. You're going to have moments where...
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
You're going to kind of feel like you haven't really had a moment to yourself, like you haven't really had the time to just check out or whatever. But for me, what stops me from feeling fatigued or feeling like this isn't fun or whatever is to have the mindset that this is all very...
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
fun you know i was actually talking to natalie the other day because now is rivers at the age now where it's really it's really getting exciting right so she's she's a little over a year old she's walking she's saying hi dada hi mama she's starting to talk a little bit she's figuring out words you're seeing her personality right and it's it's a lot of fun and that like made me i was thinking about the other day and it kind of i told nally it kind of made me sad
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And what made me sad was, is that now that I'm really seeing this personality of hers and the way she interacts with us in this moment today, you realize just how special and unique that is, right? That this hi, dada, you know, thing she says eventually is going to be like, hi, dad. You know, she's going to learn how to talk, you know?
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
So these cute little quirks that she has as a baby will evolve as she matures and grows, right? And it made me think about All these mornings I've had with my daughter, when she wasn't talking, you know, these little subtle things that your child is going to do, every day is going to be different. And I really encourage you to try to, you know, people talk about being present and things like that.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And, you know, I'm on my phone as much as the next guy. And Natalie and I do a good job of challenging each other to be present, stay off our phones. And we all have distractions in our life. But I would really just embrace that, right? Just embrace all the moments, whether it's a poopy diaper or whatever, your baby's crying, whatever. It's all just great. It's all just cool stuff, right?
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Because you get to... And it's like a surreal feeling when you have your kid too, because like, you know, it's yours, you know, your, your wife had this baby. And then when the baby comes, you're like, holy shit, how did this, how did this happen? It's so fucking crazy. It's like this crazy thing.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
But, you know, you already seem to, you know, the fact that you are excited that you're a dad and you're calling to, to ask how you can, help, you're already a step in the right direction.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
So I would just lean into that and just really just be involved because it really, you don't get those, I mean, it sounds as cliche as it is and everyone, as soon as you have your child, everyone's gonna be like, it goes by fast, it goes by fast and it really does. I'm never gonna have that moment back with my daughter
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
when she was six months old right and she was like a different child than she is today you know um and maybe hopefully we'll have more children but like it's a really special time like like literally every day is like there you know she is such a sponge right now of learning and growing That I would just be as present as possible. And yeah, just be available to help.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And then check in with each other. I think that's something Natalie and I always could work on and do a better job. I think every couple can. I think sometimes it's just as couples, it's very easy to kind of go through the motions day to day, but just kind of ask, how are you doing? How are you feeling? Anything I can do to help. Sometimes it's just checking in emotionally with your partner.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And just saying like that, just checking in with your wife on her feelings about things and how she's doing emotionally, I think is always helpful. Asking anything I can do to help, certainly trying to anticipate ways that you can help her. I definitely more than anything early on is to try to have her not to ask for things, to just be part... Get to know her routine.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
As present as I am as a father, as a mother, there's just things that Natalie... It's the details that Natalie pays better attention to than I do. Again, she's following all the other mom influencers. She's learning these little things and these little tips and tricks that I just... You know, I don't know.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
I just, I don't instinctually go to learn that stuff, but pay attention to what your wife learns, right? Show an interest in what she is learning and try to learn with her, right? So then you can anticipate what your child is going to need. Don't play into the stereotypes of like, I'm the dad and you're the mom and these are mom jobs and these are dad jobs.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Like I just never really, you know, to me, I was like, I, I could take, I, by the time, other than like, you know, well, Natalie was pumping, but like from the moment my child, River was born, like I felt like I could take care of my child on my own. Like I didn't, you know what I'm saying? It wasn't like, I wasn't some helpless dad if Natalie wasn't around, you know?
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
I knew how to heat the breast milk. I knew how to like, you know, to feed River. I knew how to change her. I knew how to, you know, I was okay. And I took great pride in being like, a couple months after she had River, if I wanted her to be able to get out of the house, if her and her friend wanted to get a cup of coffee or something, I wanted to give her a break when she could take a break.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Usually she didn't want to take a break, she just wanted to be by her baby. But I wanted to make it easy for her to do that. And so you mentioned two days out of the week, she's going to be a single mom. Well, when you're there, all those things have just... And making life easier on her and just sharing in the joy of parenting together.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And I think that's the thing that Natalie and I really enjoy doing it is like, we just love doing it together. We really are a team. And so, yeah, there'll be moments where you can't help, but there's going to be plenty of moments when you can.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
right and just no one really there's no job you know you guys just both do it you guys will like grow into your roles of like what you enjoy doing more than she might do or like just certain ways that you can help like the days in which you're off maybe that's when you get up to you know wake up with your baby and let your wife sleep in a little bit you know just like little things you know and just as your child gets older just you know and enjoy it but is it is any of this helpful
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
So that's awesome. Yeah. I mean, intrusive thoughts are definitely a real thing, man. And you're like you said, as a, as a paramedic and a firefighter, you see a lot of things that people fortunately don't have to.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And as someone who myself has had a relatively charmed life when it comes to avoiding real tragedy or stuff like that, you know, I can tell you, you still have intrusive thoughts, you know, you're like, you know, this, I, you know, it's scary. Cause like, once you have this child, you really just like you, this, you, you, all you want to do is make sure it's protected.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
So you're thinking of all the ways that things can go wrong. Try your best not to do that. Right. Like pay attention, you know, and being active and, and, you know, a good parent, but like you, you don't want to bring added stress into your house that you don't need to, because that's more than anything, you know, just right now it is about creating a Zen environment for your wife, you know, and
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
The only challenge you have is finding that balance between not dismissing your wife's feelings because she's feeling anxious and nervous about a fear that she has to just try to gently bring her out of that fear rather than dismissing her fear, if that makes sense. you know, acknowledging the fear. Hey, I have those thoughts too, but let's try to focus on the pot.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
We have, we have a lot of positive things here and you know, it's, and just create that Zen environment. I would be very good at setting boundaries when it comes to,
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
anyone or family or friends or otherwise of just anyone who brings in negative energy or intense energy, just, I'd be very quick to just be the, right now it's your job to protect the peace in your household, whatever that is, you know, and, and, and, setting that boundary of anything or anyone who brings anything but peace into your home to make sure that you are keeping that out.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Because right now it's about just creating a very peaceful environment for you and your wife to grow your child and have your wife enjoy the pregnancy. It's still very early. Your wife will go through all these phases in the pregnancy, but just you want to create a nice environment for her
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Make her feel relaxed, especially now, anytime that she can, whatever she likes to do, if she likes taking a bath or whatever, just as much as she can relax and enjoy this time, the more she will appreciate it. And you'll be in good shape.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
It's awesome to hear, man. I appreciate you saying that. And it's, it's awesome to see a young father and I hope, yeah, I mean, I really appreciate you saying that and it's, it's great to see you, you know, embark on this journey and, you know, I wishing you and your wife nothing but the best and, and obviously the fears of a miscarriage are real, but, you know, just, Stay positive.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And the good news is, is what I hear from doctors, your guys' ability to conceive sounds like pretty good. That's always the biggest hurdle when it comes to people who want to become parents. Very challenging for a lot of people to conceive. You guys don't seem to have that issue. Just keep the faith and you guys will figure it out. But just protect your peace more than anything.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Be involved with each other. Be supportive. Let each other know. Be each other's biggest cheerleader. Let your wife know that you're proud of her. You know, let her know how good of a mom, even now she's a mom, right? Your wife feels like a mom right now and let her know how good of a mom she is, you know, as she takes care of herself and your child.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Just really support her, make her feel good, allow her to feel, allow her, you know, and help her through her anxiety without dismissing her feelings.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Well, congratulations. Wishing you guys nothing but the best, and I hope for a very positive update in the future.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
You know, because it does seem like a cheap play. Yeah, the Packer fans are really catching some heat right now. I'm kind of with most people where it's just like, you know, if you got to stop it before, you know, it kind of, I don't know. I see both sides. It does seem like it seems like kind of a gimmicky play. I will say that. But, you know, they have to find ways to stop it.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
you know so uh i'm not upset that uh it didn't seem like it got banned and i don't know um but it's uh it is it is irritating on fourth and one when you know that like man they're just gonna get it's like an automatic first down but you're right though like other team other teams can't do it as effectively as the ego so it's not like if everyone can do it they would so to speak right exactly you
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Well, enjoy the Super Bowl win. You guys have a good thing going. I hope to... I mean, I've seen the Packers win two Super Bowls in my lifetime, so I'm more fortunate than most, but it's been a while, so I need them to win one soon, but I'm glad you won, man. I do think that... Did you think...
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Did you think the playoff game with the Packers, did you think that was really a fumble on the opening kickoff, or did you think they got lucky with that call? Because it sure seemed like he was down and got the ball back. It also seemed like an illegal hit.
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Yeah. All right, man. Well, thanks for the call. Congratulations on being a father. Thank you for helping with the fires in Los Angeles. And thank you for your service. And thanks for listening, man. And best of luck going forward.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Okay, tell me about the relationship you feel stuck in.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Okay. And so I'm still a little confused by how your, I guess, grandfather, right? Yes. Your biological grandfather found out and then how you heard that he was uninterested in having any type of involvement in this story.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
But at this point, you guys are technically broken up.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
but like also like but but it was just the guys you found it wasn't like you realize that some girl was coming along to this no no it was just like his problem he just didn't like that you asked the question yeah he just he thought i was being like jealous i don't know it's just like little things I mean, that's a fair question.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
It's just like, yeah, if it's just going to be the guys or the girls, like, I mean, even now today, you know, if now he's going out with friends, I'm like, is it just going to be the girls or are the boyfriends coming? You know, because if the boyfriends are coming, then maybe I'll come. If this is the girls, I don't need to go have fun with your friends.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
I mean, yeah, it's not about it making sense. He just, he changed his mind, you know?
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Have you heard from him much in the past two months?
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Yeah. But like, it's not, I mean, that stuff is dangerous to read into, but.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And I understand that words of affirmation is your love language, but... It's one of them. Yeah. Looking back, do you have any regrets on anything?
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You mentioned that before you met him, you were really working on yourself. Was there a relationship that you got out of? What caused you to be single for a while and work on yourself?
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Okay. Did you discover anything about maybe anything that you were doing at all?
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Well, I'm just wondering if it's possible that these dating situations you find yourself in with these men who you mentioned like claim to be ready and then you find out that they're not.
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Is it possible that when you get excited about these men, you know, for example, your most recent ex-boyfriend, you mentioned the first date, you know, he mentioned couples therapy as a, you know, preventative if maybe you guys would proceed with your relationship and you saw that as a green flag. Yeah.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
It's like you're at that point in your life where you've recognized that maybe you've needed to do some work and you needed to reflect on some of your choices, right? And so right now you're trying to be more cognizant of like red flags and green flags and things like that. Maybe in the past, you didn't even look for flags. You were just like, do I think they're attractive? Do they like me?
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Do I, you know, is there a spark there? I like them. Great. And it seemed like that maybe caused some, you know, some issues in your dating life. Now you're looking for some red and green flags, but now it's like, as soon as you find a couple of green flags, you get, then you give yourself permission to get super excited about these men.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Sure. Yeah. Part of that is, I don't know, part of that is, yeah, I don't know.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Yeah, or just bad luck. Or just we manifest that narrative by forcing it, you know? It's like...
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
yeah yeah people often circle back and things like that but for example let's say you went out and dated and you met a guy you get excited about well again that that would be great because that's another you know shows that you can get excited about other people great and yeah so maybe he got wind you know if he caught wind of that that could potentially spook him and cause him to reach out period and
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And then he would say, I don't want that though. Well, exactly. But what I'm saying is, is like, here you are saying, oh, of course, you know, if I start dating, he might reach back out as if like, just like the timing of the universe is unfair where like, of course, as soon as I start like a new guy, he's finally ready to date.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And what I'm saying is in that scenario, he's not necessarily ready to date. He just heard that you met someone and, knocked down your door out of a panic and then acted like he was ready to date. You know what I'm saying? Like part of this story with this guy is him getting out of a divorce, having a hard time speaking openly and honestly about that.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Like I'm willing to like cut him some slack about like some of the stuff you found out, you know?
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
yeah you never like hearing that someone wasn't totally transparent and honest but like i don't know like you got to remember on your first date it's like you're a you were a stranger type of thing and he's not sure how much he should share and then all of a sudden like you guys get serious i don't know like saying you know what i'm saying like trying to have kids and not and then like three you know
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
The timing, you know, six months versus a couple months, you know, I'm willing to kind of let that all go in terms of like, be like, oh, I can't believe he lied to you about that. Like, I don't know, not completely letting him off the hook, but I can see a world where it's just like, it's not as nefarious as it might feel in the moment.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
It would, and I know you're going to hate this answer, but, you know.
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It's just like you met a guy who was coming off a divorce, and whether it was three months, a month, or six months, that's still pretty raw, right? And divorce, I don't know what it's like to get a divorce, but it can be pretty damaging for people and really fuck them up. And a lot of, you know, we all, when we experience trauma or disappointment or pain that we have to heal from,
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Sometimes we like to convince ourselves that we're healed before we are. I mean, part of healing, at least for me, has kind of been faking it till you make it, you know? Just like I kind of had to convince myself I was okay before I was okay, you know? Because I had to like get out there and just start like stop feeling sorry for myself, you know? So...
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
I guess what I'm saying is this is a unique call because you clearly are someone who really wants to make good, healthy choices when it comes to their love life. You're doing the work. You've mentioned things you've learned from listening to the show. You're clearly trying to implement this and things like that. But maybe you pushed a little too hard too fast. In a way, I don't know.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
But I guess if you still care about this guy and it's like you haven't reached out to him because you're trying to be strong, as you said. And yes, he wasn't at a place. It seemed like he backtracked from things he told you early in your relationship.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
But then you kind of got to a point, and I kind of feel like I'm contradicting myself here, but every relationship is different where it's just like, you know, a lot of times when I have these conversations with people, often women, you know, it's clearly a guy who's, you know, feeding lines. But at the end of the day, you know, I often say like, he doesn't care. You're not a priority.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
You know, you've heard me say this and you've heard the calls, right? But- What you're describing, and I'm only hearing your version, is a guy who really like has some roadblocks, you know, like just as simple as you mentioning your love language or one of your love languages is words of affirmation.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And that's something that he struggles with where, you know, so that's just like a compatibility thing where, you know.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Well, I mean, in fairness to him, you're definitely making it a big deal. Yeah, but it's... I mean, it's a big deal to you. And that is okay, but I'm just saying it either is a big deal to you or it's not a big deal to you. And if it's a big deal to you, then it has to be a big deal for him.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Do you think if you didn't bring up this I love you stuff, you guys would still be together?
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Do you think he got distant because you were pushing him on the I love you stuff?
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
That's probably an honest answer. Probably didn't help.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
What do you want to do? Listen, you called in being stuck, right? And it's funny because if there's one thing I think I'm good at or one thing I think I probably do the most on this show is helping people get unstuck, right? People call in emotionally attached to a situation and talk to me, someone who's not attached to their situation at all. And I try to basically offer...
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
different perspectives because when it comes to disappointment, heartbreak especially, family drama, we get committed to outcomes. We can't see our blind spots. We don't realize how much we're ruminating. And as someone who is a professional ruminator and a worrier and often was stuck in my own bullshit, that's one thing I got good at is helping myself get unstuck. And as a
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and me doing the work on myself, more than anything, if I could sum up, what I've gotten good at is to not ruminate over things that I can't control and I can get myself unstuck faster than I usually could. So for you, it's like right now that why I'm having, I think, probably a harder time helping you is because it's unclear what you want right now,
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Because on one aspect, I think you're doing everything you can, right? It's clear that you are trying to make good, healthy decisions.
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You are trying to accept the fact that while you care about this man, and there's a long list of things that you really like about this man, he couldn't give you what you needed emotionally, and then you found out some stuff that felt like some untruths or whatever, and he got distant, and instead of leaning in, he leaned back and you realize, I can't make you like me. I can't make you want me.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
I can't make you want to communicate your feelings with me. So I'm going to leave. And he didn't chase you. He didn't fight for you. He just let you go. Yeah.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And cried about it. So on one aspect, yeah, I commend you for from walking away from a difficult situation. And if you really want to get unstuck, you know, the unstuck version of this is to stop second guessing yourself.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Stop replaying the, you know, the stovetop with your dad and wondering if that played a role or or ruminating over what he said in the past that was different than what he said, you know, as the relationship ended.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
So he has more than one. He has more than one quote unquote illegitimate child.
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acknowledge that while it's hurtful and upsetting, not that it's your fault at all, that getting in a relationship with someone who's just fresh out of a divorce, even if it's six months, is a bit risky. Because we want to believe that we're healed before we're probably often healed. And that doesn't make it your fault. It doesn't mean that you did anything wrong.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
It just means that it just wasn't an ideal situation. Now, there's exceptions to every rule. And like we just said, the unstuck version is to keep moving forward, stop ruminating, stop looking back, go out there and date, stop worrying if he's going to come back because you don't know if he is.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And even if he does, you're not going to know if it's any more sincere than what he told you when you first started dating, when he was trying to convince himself he was healed from a divorce that he wasn't healed from.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
you know you wouldn't be able to believe it anyways and now you know he didn't fight for you when he when you were available for and so it'd be easy to assume that he's only fighting for you because you're not available not because he's healed right and so you don't have to worry about being conflicted because again you know especially if you met someone you like then you
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
You know, right now you can't envision the person you like because you haven't met them, right? And now you are worrying about meeting an imaginary person and then the person you're still kind of in love with showing back up in your life. And that's why you're conflicted because it's versus someone you don't know who doesn't even exist versus someone you love, right?
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And right now that seems impossible, but like you could go on a couple of dates, you know, a month from now and, you know, and be very excited about this person. And then he could show up and then immediately you could be like, you know, I just, you know, doesn't. actually not that much sad over you anymore because you're more, you know, because you just can't predict the future.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
So that stuff you're worrying about right now, you need to just challenge yourself to not, you know, it's like you can't predict the future. You don't know how to read, you know, you're just reading into scenarios and that's just taking up a lot of your energy and that's what's making you stuck, right?
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
So you should, when you're ready to date, date and not worry about a guy showing back up because, A, you don't know if he does. And then when he does, again, it'll be very easy for you to say, I'm not sure if that's what it's all about. That all being said, listen, if you want to, I'm not telling you to do this.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And there's definitely a price attached to this, if nothing else that attach of like making you feel like you cost yourself a month of healing or something like that. But like, I mean, I guess my question is to you, do you regret not responding to a last message? Do you ask yourself if you're playing too hard to get? I don't know. Like, are those questions that come up? No. Okay.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
you just got to try to control your thoughts a little bit better, you know, and you gotta, you gotta recognize when you're ruminating and you gotta recognize when you're just asking yourself unproductive questions, you know, but if you can say, you know, I don't, I know I'm making the right decision here. I really don't regret it. Then that's your answer.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
you know and that's honestly growth there's probably a version a younger version of you that would be less confident about that answer and if you can answer that confidently then then you have your answer and it's probably the right answer because there's something that's telling you that like as much as you love him or care about him and as great as he was
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
All he is is frustration and a potential time waster. And while you're still really young, you're in your early 30s, you don't have as much time to waste as you did 10 years ago. And if he really wants to be with you, he knows where to find you. And if he really wants to fight for you, he can fight for you.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Yeah, but like, you know, if you're going to be that busy, maybe you're not emotionally ready to be in a serious relationship or have the time for it. Or... Or when you're in this program, maybe that'll help you slow down. Because I know your version is like, hey, listen, I did ask and he wanted to take a trip. And I was like, I'm not sure.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
But he still ultimately convinced you to move fast in a way. When you start this graduate program... yeah, you're going to be busy, but I don't think you need to like be off the grid, you know? And when, if you meet a guy, you can be, you can use that to your advantage of being someone who like has a lot going on and, and he'll chase you for a while.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And maybe you just won't, you won't even have the time to move fast, even when it feels exciting and right. And even when it feels all green, lighty and, Because if you've learned nothing at all, you've learned that feelings change and things that we say in the first six months of a relationship are just more responses to feeling good moments, not necessarily how we feel.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
The first, you know, it's like you have to wait till conflict happens. Like you have to wait till your parents make your partner feel weird. And then the partner's like, well, if I marry this person, like this is...
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Oh, they're going to be in my life, you know, or, you know, you have to wait till there's an awkward moment, you know, or they lose and there's disappointment, like not getting a house where instead of pulling back, they lean in, you know, that's when you really know. And until that, you don't really know. And that I know that sucks. And I know it feels unfair, but like, if nothing else.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
that will help protect you going forward. And you can be very slow with your feelings. People always ask me, what's the one thing you learned from going on The Bachelor? When I first got asked that question, I was kind of like, that's a stupid question. I was in my 30s when I went. I didn't drastically change as a person.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
A lot of my growth that I experienced was in my 20s before I went on The Bachelor. And so I kind of resented that question. But then I realized, well, that's not true. I did learn something. And I learned that feeling in love doesn't necessarily mean you're in love because being on that show is a manufactured environment. It's designed to elicit strong emotions.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And when two people meet, especially when people meet, one coming out of divorce, the other person is someone who, well, maybe they didn't get divorced but has had their own relationship disappointments. you know? So it's like you both meet and you're both like, you're both commiserating over past frustrating experiences.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And here you are talking about potentially going to couples therapy and you both sound like enlightened, open people. And like, that can be very exciting and that can be, that can make you feel certain feelings. But like, again, that's not necessarily love, you know? Yeah.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
I'm not saying you did. I'm just saying like, all I'm saying is be open to the possibility that when you have strong feelings about someone and you care about them as a person and they treat you with love and they make you feel loved, well, that is all nice. And maybe you do love parts of them.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
But again, like the love that, you know, when you say I love you, I'm guessing when we, any of us say I love you. And when we fantasize about love, about getting married and having a family, we're talking about a love that is deeper than just, you know what I'm saying? That wouldn't cause someone to be able to just leave the way he did, right? Or, you know what I'm saying?
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
So like, while you felt love for him, it just wasn't ready to be the type of love that you wanted. And I think maybe you accepting that and being a little bit more patient with that and recognizing that you can have strong feelings for someone and it can be a lot of things, but it doesn't necessarily mean like a deep, family love of like truly being one because that does take time.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
You can fly across the world to meet their family. You can take trips together, but that doesn't necessarily bond two people together. Sometimes that just takes time. Sometimes you have to get through adversity together and things like that. And you guys never really got a chance to do that. So a lot of what you're sad about is the potential of the relationship.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
But I think a lot of things went down. So you're trying to figure out what to do next, basically?
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
even though you dated for almost a year, it was mostly based off of potential. You saw a ton of potential. All these notes he wrote you, all these nice things, all these green flags were very exciting for you. It made you more excited about his potential. You know what I'm saying? But it was still all potential. It never was actual things that you could really trust. It was It was his potential.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Yeah. And I always say that just because you don't like, you don't want to get, you know, the problem with, you know, love and heartbreak and disappointment and trying and failing is like, you get kind of, you get burnt out or you feel like it's nothing's working and you want to quit. And, you know, it's just like, it feels unfair.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And that's what I'm saying is like telling your, you know, having the narrative of, you I thought I found him, I really thought he was my person, and that didn't work out. It was like, yeah, it's a sad story. you know, but it's also, you know, a different version of that is, yeah, I mean, you know, I definitely got excited.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
It was a definite bummer, but like I got a little caught up and a lot of his great qualities, but I just like, I, I really, I didn't listen to myself as well as I should that like coming out of divorce was a lot for a guy who like had a hard time being completely transparent with all the struggles of his past marriage. You know what I'm saying? So like, yeah, he should have been honest.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
But also part of that truth is that he probably just had a hard time being honest because he had a lot of fear of being accepted.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
But my point is what you can learn from that is six months from a divorce, just assume they're not healed. you know? And that doesn't mean you can't date these people, but it means you really need to take it slow. And again, hurt people are going to want to convince themselves they're healed before they are. That's a normal response.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
But the part that you seem to be the most hung up on and hurt by is the fact that you asked the questions, you wanted to take it slow, and he was the one who says, no, no, no, no, no, I'm fine, let's travel. And that's the part that you seem to be the most angry about and most hurt about.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And I say this as something that should help you, even if it irritates you right now, is that you still played a role in that. And it's not completely his fault. And I'm not trying to blame your fault. I'm just saying you can, like these situations are most frustrating when it's like, yeah, that really sucks. There's nothing to learn from that. That's just bad fucking luck, right?
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Those are the worst because there's nothing to do from it. And what I'm sensing from you is that is how you feel. But the reality is, is I think there is things you can learn from this, not to beat yourself up and be like, I should have done this differently. I should have done that differently. It's just that it's not just the worst luck possible.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
It's just, you know, you, it costs you a few months that you would have otherwise not want to, you wouldn't have wanted to fall for a guy only to worry about missing him right now.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
You have this journey, you have this new pro, you know, like you have, you already have a future planned out. Right. And so.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Well, don't waste this month. Again, my advice to you is to not sit there and try to get through this month. My advice to you is your life is about to change with this program for the next few years. And as sad as you are about this, do not waste this month by just trying to get through it.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Well, your big challenge is try not to like when you catch yourself ruminating, when you catch yourself second guessing, just know that like you are making the right decision as hard as it is. And you don't know what's going to happen in the future. But like, you know, for you to take this guy back, he's going to have to get some through real change and real healing.
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And that's going to maybe take some time, some real time.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
and so i don't know maybe it is a blessing maybe maybe he won't be healed he'll be healed right around the time you got out of that program i don't know you know what i'm saying so like it's he'll just get to skip the whole thing you have to believe you have to believe that you made the right decision yeah that was the other thing that might have scared him too is me going into the program because he supported his ex-wife through the same exact program sure oh okay well yeah yeah
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Also, yeah, it's like, it's, it's when, when, when, listen, like you jump into a relationship, you want to be a top priority for your relationship.
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And when that person, and again, I'm not trying to like, I'm glad that you're doing this, but yeah, you know, when someone else has a big thing, a project or a job or a pro school, there is a fear that like this person is, their priority is going to change and I'm not going to be a top priority. And you know, yeah, that, that's a, that's a, that's a legitimate fear for people.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
But more importantly, you needed someone who was capable of not being triggered by it.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Yeah, I know. You got to get over that. You got to get over the fact that you asked him and he gave you an answer that ended up not being true. Like you do have to get over that. That's the part that like...
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
You have to recognize that just because you check in with a partner and then you initially get the answer you looked for, maybe this is something you're not listening to yourself of what's causing you to ask these things. What's causing you to ask these things is the feeling that maybe they aren't ready or there's a real hesitation. And like, you know what I'm saying?
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And then you're looking for permission to ignore your instincts by asking them. And then when you get the answer you want, you're like, oh, well, I asked. And then like you're, and then you can go back and be like, well, I asked them. And that way as a letting yourself off the hook by not listening to your gut.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Talking to you, you having asked him, that sets you off more than anything.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Well, I think I would listen to yourself more. And especially when it comes to asking people to be honest with themselves about their feelings, if you're compelled to ask because you want to check in, just listen to that a little bit more.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
especially when you're checking in for permission to move things forward, you are letting yourself off the hook and excusing yourself from listening to your instincts because you check in with these men because you have a sense that they're not ready. And then they tell you they are through their actions or their words. And then you move things forward.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And then that at some point they get spooked and you're like, but I asked you three fucking months ago, man. And like, you told me,
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
See, but again, you noticed something. It felt off. You asked him about it. He gave you an answer. It's kind of a bullshit answer, but like you would rather believe his bullshit answer.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Sure. Yeah. But you know what I'm saying though? Like that's what, but you know, listen, you met a guy who got off of a divorce. You, you suspected he wasn't healed. right?
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
There were clear signs he wasn't healed. Instead of like accepting those signs and taking it slow, you told him how it made you feel, plus like checked in with him. And since, you know, and that makes sense because you develop feelings. So then now he's
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Now, immediately, he is trying to consider the feelings of this new girl he likes while still trying to consider his own feelings about moving on from this past trauma. And then that's all of a sudden things are cloudy. And now he doesn't know if he's doing it for you or himself or, you know, it's just like he's trying to do right by you. Right. Or right by himself.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And that's the part where you not listening to your instincts and you just saying, you know what? Yeah, I feel a certain way, but like, you know, more than anything, this is telling me this guy isn't healed. And I could ask him and I can check in with him, but like, he's just going to give me an answer that, you know, that he thinks I want to hear and, or that he thinks he wants to believe.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Because if he's not healed, then he's probably not in a position to to like give me the most healthiest and honest answer. So then you tell him how you felt and then immediately now his priorities have changed to making sure you're okay rather than he's okay.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Both. I mean, both. I mean, listen, like, you know, next time if you meet a guy who just got out of a relationship, let's just assume that he's not healed.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Yeah, you're right. It's a challenge. It's a fine line. But again, a guy who's having a hard time removing photos of his ex, even if divorce or let's say it was a guy who... He's like, you meet a guy, he's not divorced, but he's like, yeah, it was a five-year relationship and we broke up four months ago. It's like, yeah, he's probably fucked up about it. You know, that's five years of his life.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
It's five years of memories. It's five years. You know, that's what I'm saying. So like, that's just like, this man's learning a whole new life. Like, would you get over that in six months?
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
I think, I think it's a, I think it's a combination. I think right now you're ignoring common sense because of when you get excited. So like, I think you got to take a step back, whether it's checking in with your therapist or checking in with a friend that you, you know, isn't like the friend who wants you to buy the boat.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Who's this excited to like hear about your dating stories, you know, like whatever it is, but like, it's, you have common sense and you're just not listening to your common sense in moments where you're, you're, you're making excuses by like, well, I want to check in with them.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And there's a difference between trusting your body and listening to common sense and being the person who overthinks and creates drama, you know, because, you know, like, you know what I'm saying? And it's a case by case basis, but I think, you know, the difference is,
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And that's okay. But, you know, again, maybe, and that, cause it is a first date, but maybe on the third or fourth day you could revisit and you're like, well, what'd you mean by like having problems for years? Cause that could mean a million different things. And you can have problems for years and still wish it worked out.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
You know, you can have problems for years and still be heartbroken that, you know, when, when I first got engaged and found out she cheated on me, I just like part of the heartbreak was I couldn't believe I got engaged and it didn't work out. I couldn't believe I bought a ring. And it was sitting in my drawer. It was the embarrassment, was the shame.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
There's just a lot, there's a lot of feelings that go into heartbreak. And it's not just losing someone. It's the feeling of failure. It's the fear of what society is going to say about you. And these are all feelings he had to work through as a human being going through a divorce.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
No, I know. I'm not saying you did anything wrong. It's just I'm getting the sense that you were looking for permission to move faster than you knew you should. It felt really good. There were a ton of green flags and you found ways to ignore the red flags by asking him
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
if he was okay moving forward, and once you got the answer you wanted, it was like, oh, well, he said he's ready, so I'm good to, let's go to England and meet your family. You know what I'm saying? Like, And, you know, you get what I'm saying. You know, so I think.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
All right. Well, have fun on your date at the beach.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Whatever. just enjoy it. Just again, you're going to, he's going to come up in your mind. Just check yourself when you catch yourself going back and asking those ruminating questions and you're analyzing things you've already analyzed. And the best part of this call was you, me saying, you know, I gave you a window to fight for this guy. And you were like, no, I made a good decision.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And like, you should, that's the best answer you have.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
But he's not. And I bet you've been a person who was willing to fight for people who wouldn't fight for you in the past. Yes, 100%. So that's progress. And that's the thing you should be most proud of. When these other questions come in your mind, you let it go because you have the answer. And all these other stuff, it'll play itself out.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
All right. Take care. I would love an update on how things are progressing in a few months.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
But like when, when people say stuff like that, I just want to know the why, right? Like the principle of it, like, is that it? Like, because the, like, who, who are we like at this point? I think we, I think it's important to think about the outcome of these decisions. and the why we're doing these decisions. I don't think curiosity is a very good reason.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And what I'm hearing is that there's a lot of people not really involved in this story directly are the most curious about this story. It is a fascinating story. And I just think sometimes a lot of people are close to a story, but not really involved in the story.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And sometimes when we're close to a story by proxy, because the people who are really involved are people we care about, whether friends, family, things like that, we have a way of convincing ourselves how important it is to us. But sometimes I think deep down, we just kind of like the drama.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
But yeah, I mean, that's a good point. He's 90 years old. I mean, if I'm being honest, what I'm hearing for you is, I don't know if I should harass this 90-year-old man or not.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
I mean, there's like a strong chance that this man doesn't remember. Forget about that. Let's assume that his cognitive abilities have not declined.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Especially if he was any kind of playboy. I don't remember every date I've been on. I'm only 40. Do you remember?
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Then there's a whole added part of that. Maybe his cognitive abilities aren't where they used to be. And like, yeah, you want to track this old man down only to find you have no idea whether his version and how accurate his version is going to be.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And then you're the grandfather you know. You're the man who raised your father. I definitely don't think it's your mom's decision to decide who should know and what's right in this situation. Why crush this man's spirit? Why in his... And it's 80 years of life. Why bring him news that can only bring him sadness?
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
If your dad wants him to know, then that's your dad's business because there's that direct relationship there and he can decide. If your dad doesn't feel compelled or want to tell them, I think everyone around your dad should definitely respect that. Because I don't know what the principle is here. Like, I don't know what the right thing to do is. There's no right thing. There's no clear answer.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And like, I don't think it's your mom's place to decide he should know. I really don't.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
I mean, like what, and again, what's the outcome that she is, you know, usually, you know, listen, like, and sometimes, you know, sometimes we have to push our loved ones to make difficult choices that in the short term, you know, might cause temporary pain or sadness, but there's hope in the longterm that this is the right decision. And we will work through this, you know, like if again, like,
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
Maybe your friend is being unfaithful to their partner and you're just like, hey, you can't keep doing this. And you're, you know, he needs to know or she needs to know or whatever it is. And yeah, there's a lot of decisions here. But again, who's working on anything at this point? What is the resolution here? What is this going to bring anyone? I don't really, I'm not seeing any upside.
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E923 Ask Nick - My Grandma Cheated
And again, and I don't think anyone should be pressuring your dad into making a decision that right now his instincts are telling him he shouldn't know. And I don't think your mom's in a place to decide what's best for your grandfather. And it honestly sounds like you guys are like kind of caught up in the drama of it all and the story. And it's, you know, it's fascinating.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
But why can't you just decide? Maybe I'm oversimplifying it. I didn't say, you know, it's not like I saw you on the street and we shared an elevator and randomly you're like, I need to get married to be secure. And I was like, no, you don't. And then I walked out the elevator. you know, and you'd be like, well, what do you mean you don't? And you're like, sure.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
But we just talked about why you don't. Right.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
So now, you know, the why you don't need to, why can't you implement the why into your life?
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
But do you change your logic? I mean, have you ever had like an aha moment in your life where you thought one thing and then someone like showed you something and you're like, Holy shit.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Well, did you, did you struggle to still believe the thing that they showed you that opened your eyes to like a new, a new truth, so to speak?
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
It is just kind of a complete, like the way you're talking to me and the way you're acting is, is like, we're you, you see the truth. Like someone's like, Hey, you know, marriage used to be this, but actually it's this now. And I'm showing you the two and you're like, Oh no, I totally see that now. But I'm still going to, whatever, I still see it this way and I can't help but see it that way.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
I don't, like, it's, to me, what I'm hearing is you don't want to see it differently and you're choosing not to see it differently, even though you say you want to.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Why do you say that though? I don't, I mean, I don't care that he's been busy at work. I, you know, a lot of people are busy, but why are you so quickly to concede that a relationship with you has been a burden to him?
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
So, well, I guess part of it, it starts by saying every, like, right, let's say we, like, I got, like, I gotta go. I hung up the phone. I'm like, we left. You never talked to me again. I don't doubt that your subconscious brain and how your subconscious brain makes your body feel in moments of anxiousness or anxiety, that's not going to change overnight.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
But when that does happen, when your body and your subconscious brain starts obsessing over why hasn't he proposed to me or why haven't we got married, Why can't you consciously say to yourself, that wouldn't get me the security I'm desiring. Marriage isn't giving me that. Are you having those conversations with yourself? Because you need to do that.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
To change how you think, you have to start reminding yourself Your default is to attach security to marriage. That's your default. You have to change your default. And to change your default, you kind of have to keep reminding yourself that that's wrong, even though that's how your body feels, maybe.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Well, you can, because you, I don't know, you make it a goal. I mean, I don't know. Like for me, I grew up in a very traditional household, right? And very traditional values. And so as a young man, I shared in those traditional values and very much wanted to get married and have the kids and have the whole whatever the fuck, you know? Didn't work out for me in my 20s the way I'd planned. Right.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Uh, in my thirties, I was, uh, given some unique opportunities to take some risks with my life. I said yes to those risks dated throughout my thirties. And then by, you know, late into my thirties and forties is I was still very much had a desire to be a father and very much had a desire to have a life partner. My desire to get married was like, I was like, I don't know.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
I mean, if the person I fall in love with wants to get married, then sure, I'm not against marriage, but I stopped thinking that marriage was going to get me what I wanted, which was the connection. I wanted to have a shared life with someone.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
And so it was more like, yeah, sure. I want to get married. But like it went from being this thing, this benchmark of my life, this measuring stick of success in my relationships to be like something I was still like open to doing.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
But I understood the finer details of what went into the thing I desired, you know, which is the connection, the security, the shared experience with someone for the rest of my life, a teammate, you know, a partner. Yeah.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
I guess my answer to your question is worry about those problems as they come along. Like, do you have a job?
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
I have a job, yeah. So you can afford to take care of yourself?
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
I mean, you know what I'm saying? Like you're, you're worrying about problems that aren't problems and then you're making them problems. And then you're at, and then you're expecting both of you to solve a problem that doesn't even exist. And that takes, you know, energy and stress and you are creating problems that aren't there.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
And it's taking both of your energy to solve these problems that aren't even problems. Like when are we going to get married? What, how do we buy a house together? I mean, I don't think you should buy a house together. You know, one of you should buy a house and the other person should pay rent, you know, and you will both be glad that you did that in case something doesn't happen. And yeah.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
And then they were like, oh, well, that's the thing I'm worried about. I don't want to like, he can divorce you. You can divorce him. You know, it's just way more complicated, you know? Yeah. And you don't want to be the reason you guys stay together. No. Because it's hard to break up.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Correct. Now granted, like I do think, you know, non-negotiables are, you know, you should want to know if he is interested in having children.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Great. Right. So that matters as far as marriage. Yeah. You know, less important because again, as we just discussed, what is really marriage in 2024 is,
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
other than like you know maybe that final step of like i'm really in this thing you know and we're committed to each other but even then you know it's all it is is a contract in a ceremony but it doesn't really give you that much more security thank you this is helpful just like seeing yeah getting out of my own way has to be recognizing that and having that internal dialogue but
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Uh, well, I'm sorry you're going through that. Um, you know, but listen, I, I, I think men in general, like how we get, how we are talked to matters.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
You know, after a while, men, all they want is a cheerleader. They really do. That's all they want. They just want someone who believes in them, who cheers them on, supports them, pats them on the back. And when you need to give them tough love, give them tough love. They don't, they do not want a mom.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
to get engaged. He went ring shopping to shut you up. Probably. Yeah.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
And yeah. So, I mean, listen, I, I, you, you have, you have to make the choice.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
And you have, I think my, you know, non-expert opinion is like at some level, you just have to decide whether you want to change your thought process or not. I mean, yeah, there's work to do along the way and you'll, every day you'll have moments of weakness of wanting to give in to your subconscious thoughts, but you have the emotional maturity, I'm assuming. Yeah.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
And the intelligence and the, you do. And, but you have to make that choice. You have to make that choice to remind yourself. And, and if you need to say it out loud yourself, say it out loud, take it off the table. What changes, what really changes in your relationship when you're just, I don't know, marriage, marriage, I don't know, like whatever. I don't know.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Yeah. I don't want to have kids with this man until we're ready to have kids. We're not ready to have kids, but I'm glad that I'm with someone who wants to have kids. As far as marriage, we'll get married when we both feel like it's a smart, safe thing to do financially.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
But like every time he is like, hey, I'm going to go on a grocery run and he asks you a question and you lose your shit on him for no reason. That ain't going to make him want to go ring shopping. Right.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
um and we all have moments of frustration but you again you're frustrated about a problem you're creating yeah and so then you're constantly frustrated yeah and the solution to your frustrations is for him to do something he's not comfortable doing because he's only doing it to like have you be less mean to him that's truth and um
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Did the act of moving in together bring you closer together?
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Well, I'd be willing to bet you thought it was a really great time because, again, you took moving in as a benchmark that you needed and then you got what you wanted. And it sounds like you both were probably generally interested in moving in together, which for me, other than getting engaged or married, is the only barometer that you're both equally excited about.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Thankfully, it sounds like you both were equally excited, but for you, it did more than it did for him, which was give you this security. And so then you, I'm guessing, chilled the fuck out for a period of time. And that was the period of time that you guys really enjoyed. And then time had passed, and then part of your subconscious brain said, this is no longer good enough.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
I need another benchmark. Because now that we've moved in together and so immediately you started adding pressure to yourself and then subsequently him to meet this benchmark that he was like, I don't actually don't know if we're ready because in fact, things haven't gotten better. They've gotten worse.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
It is okay to have that be the thing that you want, but how you apply that, again, it's about what you do with that goal and how important that goal and what is that goal getting you. And again, especially when it comes to marriage, it's like... I mean, honestly, it's 2024. And I say this as someone who recently was married and so far so great.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
And our wedding was a real magical day and really glad we did it and made the money. But at the end of the day, it's also kind of a symbolic thing and nothing more.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
A lot of miserable married people out there. Do you want to be married and miserable?
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
If you want to, then you can. And the disconnect is you saying you want to, but actually not choosing to.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Yeah, you're not broken. Hearing it from you. You got some damage. You got some shit you got to work through, whatever. You got some abandonment issues, I'm guessing. You got some action attachment styles, I'm guessing. Again, that's something you can...
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
When you're feeling anxious or disconnected, you could talk to your therapist, you can talk to your partner, but it's a lot easier to have a feeling about whatever your partner and to be able to go to your partner and just, hey, I'm feeling disconnected. Can we whatever connect?
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
with everything that you guys are working on right now is so fucking loaded because it's just like, he's just, you know, it's all about the end game about like, you're just like, well, if I do or say something wrong, he's not going to propose to me. And he's just like, Oh fuck. It's just like, I mean, you know, it's just like, you can't, you guys haven't really focused on your guys's connection.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
I'm guessing in a while, it's this more like, And again, when he says, when he says things like, uh, I've made like sacrifices and whatever, and I want some acknowledgement, like work. Sure. You know, it's just like, Hey, I've, you know, maybe he's made some, maybe he's donated his time or whatever.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
And maybe he wants a little acknowledgement for, you know, but like his relationship, like you don't bring in this immediate burden that he has to like, choose to deal with. Like it's, you know, you are, again, you are, it's, it's more about you creating problems that aren't existing.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
You have to get to a place where you let go of the idea of marriage, not for him, but for yourself.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
It's just like, you know, you have to tell yourself, of course, I'd love to get married. And I would love to be able to cultivate a relationship with a person that we both feel ready to get married. Just like, it sounds like when you moved in together, how did you, what made you guys move in together?
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Right. There you go. Right. That's all it really takes. People often, you know, just like, just like getting engaged or getting married when moving in nowadays has become this like artificial benchmark where it's just like, well, we've been together for a year and our leases are up. I think we should move in together. And then oftentimes someone's like, well, you know, are you sure we're ready?
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And the other person starts negotiating and says, well, you know, I think if we just look at it, you know, we would save money. And it's just like, yeah, but like, are you sure we're ready? It's like, but we would say, and then like someone then starts conceding. It's just like, uh, that's never good. But just like when you guys moved in together, you were both excited and happy to do it.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
And again, that's why for a period of time, it was a really great moment because you allowed to just enjoy the moment. But as soon as it wasn't good enough and you needed another benchmark, you started introducing problems that weren't there.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
And if your partner is having a job where he's stressed out a lot, why don't you focus on being the person he can turn to when he's stressed? What's his love language?
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Okay. Well, words of affirmation. When was the last time you told him you were proud of him?
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So, I mean, can you, can you work on that? I mean, cause it's, The only thing you have going against you right now is like, if you come to him and say, hey, I don't want to get married anymore, it's going to come across as crazy. Because it's such a 180.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
I mean, you could also say it like, listen, like you've said to me, I feel you pulling away from And I've been doing a lot of reflecting and I understand. I really do. And you know, we've had all these talks about marriage, but in these past few days of feeling like I might be losing you, I'm really realizing that it's not the marriage that I need to make me happy. It's you. I need you in my life.
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However we can be together, ultimately that's how I want to be with you. And I want to be with you because we make each other happy, not stress each other out. And for the role I've played in adding stress to our life, I'm sorry. And that's something I really am working on and I need to work on that. I've realized that I've created problems in our relationship that don't exist.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
And I appreciate that it must have felt like a really huge burden on you to try to acknowledge my frustrations, even though you weren't sure where these frustrations were coming from or you didn't really know what to do with these frustrations. Because you're mad. He, you know, it's like his option was to dismiss your anger or play along with something that you're creating.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Again, in that situation, when you think of this question, and we can divide into this question about security, but the way you ask the question is you're going back to marriage. How do I get the security I'm looking for if it's not about marriage?
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Well, full commitment to me is showing up. I'm old enough and I guess have been around the block enough and have had enough of shitty things in my relationship life happen where you can call me a cynic, call me a realist, but like, I just don't take anything for granted when it comes to my romantic relationships. I'm married. I have a wife. I still don't take it for granted.
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I don't sit there and say things like nothing could break us up. That's not true.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
You know, I don't sit there and operate like, you know, yeah, like we're inseparable. We're not nothing. A million things could destroy my marriage.
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And I don't sit there and say that to psych myself out, to live in fear. I say that, one, as a reminder to not take anything for granted. Two, to show up every day and put in the work required to have a connection. And then hold myself, most importantly, and if need be at times, my partner, if I feel like we're disconnecting and it's just like, hey, just checking in type of thing.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
But for me, then that acknowledgement of anything, there's no guarantees. Again, I can only control 100% of my half of my relationship with my wife. It's all I can do. I can't make her do her half. But I don't sit there and feel less connected to her because there's a possibility she might not show up one day. And listen, whether it's like...
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stresses of her life, being a mom, her body changing, her personal goals and ambitions. She has a lot of other things she's going to worry about and stress out about that might make us feel disconnected at times. But at the end of the day, it's just about showing up and choosing each other and saying, hey, I love you. I'm here for you. I'm grateful that I have you in my life.
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You're the best part of my day today. I really had a stressful day. I was really glad to come home to you because you created an environment of sanctuary and not like, I got to go home and deal with
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my girl who's probably gonna give me shit about something and then ultimately bring it back to like why i'm not asking her to propose to me because that's the environment you've created now and now you're now your partner has no sanctuary work is this work it's fucking work right and now he comes home and he's got to work on that right and he's kind of like fuck And like, where's his sanctuary?
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
You know what I'm saying? And I would, for you, I would want you to focus your energy on creating a sanctuary with your partner. It used to be your home. It used to be that simple. Cause you move in together and you guys were excited, but you gotta get back to that place where your relationship is a sanctuary for the both of you. And you have to be open to the possibility
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
If you want to be in a romantic relationship, you have to assume the risk that comes with it. And that's heartbreak. And that can happen from both of you checking out. It can happen from life or health problems. Who knows? You know what I'm saying? Disappointment is around the corner for all of us. Death happens to us all. And so don't sit there and have anxiety and worry about the future.
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You got to be present and appreciate the moment. It comes down to that.
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Well, don't beat yourself up over it, you know, like today's a new day, you know, and so you can always start, you can always start anew. Yeah.
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But remember, you can control your thoughts. And if you need to say out loud things like marriage isn't the answer that I'm looking for, then say it out loud. Remind yourself what makes you happy. And like, I just want a partner who shows up for me every day. That's all I want, right? And I wanna make it easy for my partner to show up for me. I'm gonna show up for him.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
And you make it about showing up for each other and not about making, I'm gonna be a good wife so I get the ring. eh, well, you know.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Because you want, you want it to be like, one day you want to just have him be like, I should marry this woman. And you should honestly be like, yeah, you should honestly not care that much. It should be like, okay, well, if you really want to, then I'd be happy to be your fiance. But like, sure. You know, because at the end of the day, I'm happy we have each other.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Empathize with where he's at. Okay. I mean, I mean, spend the time at your friends, but like at the end of the day, this is about recognizing that like you've lost the plot when it comes to why you two should be in this relationship and you've made it all about the end game, which is marriage. And you realize that was foolish and misguided and you don't want that.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
And if he's still willing to show up in this relationship, you would like to go back to a place where like, you know, unfortunately I've made our relationship, not the safe space I want it to be. And that's what I want to focus on. And I want to work towards that. And that's more obtainable than just saying, I'm going to be this person.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Because it is going to take some work, but you have to want to do it together. And just acknowledge that. Because it sounds like your willingness to acknowledge, what was the thing you said you acknowledged and you really appreciated it?
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Yeah. Right. So like, yeah. And you got a real, you know, so like he, just like you want to be seen, he wants to be seen too. And he, you know, he wants a partner, not a mom. He wants a sanctuary, not another job or a problem. He doesn't want something he needs to work on at home.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
I mean, that's relatively, we'll all have to do that, you know, to a certain extent, but like, you know, make it easy and fun. Get back to your roots.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Well, I appreciate the call. Please keep us posted how things progress. Feel free to call back. And if he wants to call in with you, I'll do that if he's down.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Well, either way, just give it a beat. It sounds like, yeah, I'm still optimistic for you too.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Well, his energy is sifted because he just, he's just probably exhausted. He's given up. You got to give him some hope, right? So give him hope in the moment of showing him through your, how you communicate that you, you actually understand as opposed to you're just saying it to get your way.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
why'd you say critical yeah why'd you say it like that yeah he didn't ask if you had an inventory he asked if you could take a moment to go look uh and then let him know or not totally and so it was just like this unconscious moment sure and it's just felt like i have to be like kind of perfect i've been spending a lot of time thinking about you have to be perfect or he has to be perfect
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
And I think your big epiphany is realizing that it wasn't moving in that made things that made things happen.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Well, for you, it was freeing up the burden of having to worry about the next step. And for whatever period of time you felt like moving in did that, that allowed you just to enjoy each other. And then you stopped enjoying him. And then you gave him an assignment.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Well, I bet if you say it like that to him, it will resonate. All right. Thank you. Good luck. Keep us posted. All right. Bye. Bye-bye.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Okay. What boundaries is he disrespecting?
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Well, the good news is you're almost done co-parenting. So there's that.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
How long have you been married for to your husband?
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Give me an example from the perspective of your husband of how he might, if he were on this call and I were to say, how is your wife enabling this behavior and what would you like to see her do differently? How do you think he would answer that?
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Okay. To get engaged. You feel like you have to be perfect. Gotcha. Okay.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Okay. Well, the good news is, from what I'm hearing, your problems are completely fixable. I think your husband's right. Listen, and Justin, chime in if you want. Justin is a product of a divorced family. I am not. And I don't have 17 and 18-year-old kids. So take my advice with a grain of salt. That being said, I feel confident about this, for example.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
I think, listen, be appreciative of the fact that your kids are now adults, essentially.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
right one is literally adult the other one's going to be adult like whatever job you and your their biological father and and your husband has done as parents like it's done it's kind of done at this point right right yeah you've how you raise sure i mean listen you'll always be there for them right but they are adults right and i you know listen i'm not telling you how to be a parent but i i hope
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
That as your kids enter their adult life, you give them an opportunity to be adults. And your relationship, I hope, evolves where it's less of you telling them what to do and offering them guidance when they ask for it, you know?
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
And I think if you do that with your kids, you will continue to build that relationship with your kids. I guess my point of asking you what your kids think is like, your kids are old enough. Your kids are smart. They have opinions about who their father is and who their father isn't at this point. You don't need to protect them, I guess, in a way anymore.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
And your ex-husband is no longer your husband. It's not your job to tell him what to do anymore. He probably won't even listen. You know what I'm saying? And like, you really can't protect your kids anymore the way maybe you thought you could when they were five, six, seven, eight, or nine years old. You know what I'm saying? Like...
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Even if your daughter flies into town to see dad, he's not going to stop him to go out for a bar. And listen, your kids are going to, they're not jumping just because dad says when is like, despite their father's flaw as a father, your kids still have a desire to have a relationship with their dad, despite their dad not being the best dad. Right.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
So, and at the end of the day, I think my guess is your two kids know who's been there when they needed them the most. And I'm guessing it's you, right? So like, if this is about like winning between you and your ex-husband, you've already won, right? And so, you know what I'm saying? It's just like, you don't need to fight their battles. Give your kids the opportunity to fight their own battles.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Support them in their fights if they ask for your help. But you know what I'm saying? Like, but you... Picking a fight with your ex-husband just to let him know once again how wrong he is so that he can ignore you and then you can be stressed out and then bring that stress into your current marriage isn't doing you any good.
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Have you ever asked your kids who are a one as adult ones on the verge? How would your kids want you to operate? Is it relates to their relate your relationship with their father? And how would they like how would they like you to handle, for example, the football event? You know, have you have you sat down with your son and been like, how would you how would you like how can I support you?
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Because at the end of the day, I'm guessing you're telling yourself, well, listen, I just want my son to be happy and I'm assuming he wants his father there. But if his father doesn't want to be there or can't be there, his stepdad would like to come and support, right? But at the end of the day, did you ask your son?
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Was this year hard for him because of you and the relationship or are there other aspects like work? Both. Okay.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Well, I think the next step is to empower your son to, if he wants his dad to go, then it's his job to let his dad know he wants to go.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
So they're adults at this point. They're not 16 or 15 and like, listen, teach a man to fish. You know what I'm saying? Like your kids aren't going to always have mama bear there to like. do basic things like this is. This is a basic thing. This is communicating a calendar event to their father. It's not your job anymore. You're not married to this man.
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If they want a relationship with their dad, it's now on their... It's on them to...
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do that obviously it's his job as a father to have that relationship but like your kids at this point are old enough to decide what kind of relationship they want with their father and what amount of energy they're willing to put into it obviously they can only do 100 of their half when it comes to their relationship with their father and hopefully their dad steps up but there's nothing you can do
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to protect them or to make up for whatever he's not doing on his end. All you can do is to continue to be the mom that you are and show up a hundred percent on your end and support them. But like you, you can't protect them in the ways that I think you're trying to protect them.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
And you're, and honestly, I think you trying to do things that they should be doing now at this stage, your life is hurting them, you know, cause they have to do this on their own. They have to they have to grow up. They have to be able to face adversity. They have to have, they have to be able to face confrontation.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
You know, I mean, I talked to every day, I talked to people who'd be like, I'm afraid of confrontation. Part of the reason people are afraid of confrontation is they've never had to face confrontation as young adults or young kids. And listen, everything is practiced makes perfect. So like, you know, the more you get used to having confrontation, less you're afraid of it, you know?
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
I mean, listen, that one's a little bit more of a complicated question. I mean, like, I don't know if I'm, it's, you know, I guess I have an opinion. I don't know how important my opinion is. All I can say is I empathize why you as a mother are more prone to want to cover that end so that your daughter can focus on school and not have to take out a loan and inquire debt at an early age.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
I can appreciate why your husband has a slightly more disconnected point of view. And that's something you guys are going to have to work together, you and your husband. But back to your ex-husband, it's just like what you guys need to do is stop commiserating over someone you can't control. I don't know if I'm using the word commiserating right. But like, you know what I'm saying?
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
It's like your ex-husband does some shit that frustrates you guys. And then you guys will argue over why your ex-husband does what he does. It's like, what's the point of that?
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
I mean, listen, I don't know what I think that's a generalization, but like some your kids need to face adversity and they need to learn how to overcome it.
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I mean, within limits and you can be there. But like, you know, let your kid swim out to the deep end, so to speak, while you are, quote unquote, playing lifeguard in their life. You know, you're close enough to be able to dive in the pool if they really need your help and they can't get to the...
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metaphorically speaking but like let's see if they can make it you know let's see if they can figure it out your daughter will appreciate school if she's paying for it i promise you that you know yes i know i totally agree with that i uh i had to work jobs in college you know I had to work a lot of jobs in college and I competed in sports. Like if she really wants it, she'll make it work.
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And if she really can't do it, if she really isn't capable of doing it, maybe that's when you two can step in and save the day. But it seems if I'm talking to you, you're very quick to like try to address a problem to avoid even your children experiencing the problem to begin with. You're trying to protect them from remember even having any difficulty or inconvenience or things like that.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
And again, it's a parenting choice. I'm not telling you what to do. I personally think that like you have to allow your kids to face some kind of adversity so they can learn how to overcome adversity because their life will be filled with it. And mom won't always be able to be there.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
You already have, I'm guessing, you know, haven't you? I'm guessing their first 18 years of life are much different than yours.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
That's awesome. But you should be very proud of that and you should reflect on that and really feel a sense of pride and accomplishment from what you've been able to do. And, you know, especially having to deal with like a fucking deadbeat dad or whatever. And, but now, now that your kid's, are adults. Now it's, it's on you to try to change your approach a little bit and adjust.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Because like I said, you know, they're adults now. The more you can prepare them for adult life, the more, you know, you will, you will help them out. There's way too many mid 20 year olds who don't know how to be adults out there.
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I'm just saying, you know, like, you know, your son, how old's your son?
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Do you not want your son to turn 24 and have his girlfriend being like, are you an adult? You know, why are you immature for your age? You know what I'm saying? Like, and babying him isn't going to get him to grow up.
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I can do me a favor. Yeah. Yeah. Talk more, try to try to be more specific and what you mean in terms of when you say, you know, cause it's like, is it work? Is it the relationship? Is it like, what is he, what is he sacrificing?
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Well, you know, it's not because we agree. It's because I think there's some truth behind it. But I think a big takeaway in regards to your husband is asking your kids what they would like you to, how can you support them when it comes to their relationship with their father? And outside of that, you mind your business.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Well, that's that last part. That last part is your excuse. Like you in your head, your narrative is I mind my business. I don't stick my nose where it doesn't belong unless my kids are upset. So, but anytime your kids are upset, you use that as an excuse to not mind your business. Again, if your kids are upset, you go to your kids and, And say, how can I support you?
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
And often the kid's answers might be, I don't need nothing, mom. I'm good. You can't change dad, mom. You know, like, so it is who it is. And your kids know that already. Your kids are old enough to understand who their father is and who he isn't. And you're not going to change that. And babying them isn't going to make up for their dad's shortcomings.
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um so yeah so how can you support them like this blah blah thing like hey do you want me like who do you want to go dad well you're gonna have to let dad know just so you know because i'm not going to but if your dad doesn't want to go let me know because i want to bring chuck you know right yeah absolutely that's it and then you check in with your son not their father their dad yeah
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And if your son's upset, let him be upset. And then, you know, empathize with them. Yeah, I'm sorry your dad is the way he is, you know, blah, blah, blah. You know, I know it's not the same as your father, but Chuck, you know, we're really happy. We're really proud of you, whatever, you know, like you can, you support your kids. You can do that without adding drama around their father.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
You know, and letting their father's actions rile you up like this man, you know who he is. I mean, really, has he changed since you've met him? Guessing no. No. Why are you expecting him to do things differently? Why are you allowing this man to rile you up?
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But all you're doing is that it's affecting your mental health and your relationship with your husband. It's not helping your kids.
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Okay. You said the word need. Why need? Okay. Or as opposed to like should? Totally.
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Where does he fall in the religious spectrum?
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Do your parents know you're not religious?
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Like if you were like, just let's say for, I mean, are you saying like, for example, if you were straight and you were just out there dating men and you were participating in hookup culture and having a bunch of sex, that would also be something you would be reluctant to share and communicate with mom and dad for fear that they would also be worried about your soul for different reasons.
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Yeah. Well, one, I don't think you should tell mom and dad over the holidays.
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I mean, listen, you should tell them whenever you want, to be clear, as a heterosexual man who, you know, has no, I know what it's like to have siblings come out as gay in a very religious family, but unlike your parents, my parents have shown a willingness to become more open-minded and progressive as their kids have been opening their minds over the years. And they're still
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religious but they have definitely become less hardcore so i'm very grateful and thankful for my parents and their willingness to do that and so i think that's created a safe space for some of my siblings who have come out as gay
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So I didn't know if like in... I guess what I'm saying is just like, no, I don't. I mean, listen, it's not for me to say, but if you are asking my opinion, I don't know if you need to be in their presence. So to let them know, I don't know. Like I think that's more of a, that's your choice, you know? And so if you want to be there to do it, great. But I don't like, to me, this is your story.
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This is... This is all about you. So whatever you want to do, I think is great.
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You're going to sleep at a friend's house.
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And what is sleeping at your friend's house going to do?
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The only caveat I would add to that, if I may, is so that you don't get like caught up in a lie and like your partner like feels like, well, that's just like semantics. Is it you just say like, like you said to the people that matter and you could say like, I haven't, you know, you could be specific. Like I have not told my, my parents, but you could, there's a reason why.
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They're hardcore religious and they seem to be unwilling to even hear that truth. So I haven't shared that truth. And that's just the relationship I have with my parents. But to your point, Justin, to the people I consider my support system, my family, the people I love, the people who are actively in my life, everyone knows. Mm-hmm.
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kind of thing right yeah okay yeah so i think that's a worker i think that's insightful yeah from a dating standpoint yeah that's a good workaround thank you justin um back to like when when and if you should tell your parents i i say don't tell them over the holidays because it's like you're gonna make the holidays about
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Fair enough. How did you guys resolve this, the dish soap situation?
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And then that just gives mom and dad more ammunition to be mad. You want to set your parents up for success, so to speak. I don't know if they're going to choose to be successful in this, but you do want to make it easy for them to be successful. That's my opinion. Other people listening might feel differently. They might be more adversarial.
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They might say it's not your job to make people comfortable, blah, blah, blah. But listen, these are your parents. And families are complicated and relationships are complicated. I'm gonna share something that people may disagree with. I'm sharing this as someone who, from the perspective of knowing what it's like to grow up in a very religious family.
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And I also say this not being gay, and I say this not having to feel judged on the level that you feel judged by the religion you were raised in. So there's an element of privilege I have in that department.
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That being said, I sure know what it's like to have Catholic guilt and shame, regardless of the fact that I am straight in the sense that like premarital sex, a lot of choices I made as a young adult, according to, you know, my parents and my religion, I was very much going to be burning in hell along with you. You know what I'm saying?
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Yeah. Type of thing. My ability to navigate that was to simply, I think where a lot of people struggle where it's just like, you know, your religion tells me I don't belong. And therefore it's like, fuck you and fuck your religion and blah, blah, blah. And all of a sudden, like I have a big problem, for example, with society. Like I think religion has its complications for sure.
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I think religion is completely flawed. And I think religion also can and has been a very beautiful thing. for a lot of people. Unfortunately, humans are flawed and humans have a way of ruining everything, including religion. But nevertheless, it has its benefits. I can still respect my Catholic faith that I grew up in. Many aspects of that religion I don't agree with.
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Uh, there's a lot of aspects of that religion I find to be disingenuous and a lot of people abusing aspects of that religion. There are things about that religion that contradict not only how I live my life, but how people I love live their lives, et cetera, et cetera. But it is a manmade thing and it can be flawed, but it, you know, I, I don't sit there and, and for me personally, uh,
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I don't need to condemn the entire religion or reject it as a whole. Sure. Because of the fact that, for example, like the Catholic religion says being gay is a sin, you know, right. And I have a lot of gay family members who still are active in their church, but they, you know, it's the same reason if I, if I wanted to, like I didn't stop going to church because I wanted to have meaningless sex.
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You know what I'm saying? It was for different reasons. I stopped going, but when I was having meaningless sex, I was still going to church.
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yeah and i just for me i i had my own relationship with god so to speak and regardless of what was in the book or whatever i i carved out my own relationship and you can do that too i guess is all to say is that like i went in that hole like rant because you i forget you said something that was kind of like you almost kind of resent your parents faith sure as a relay because of how
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they judge, they, they might judge you. This is about being happy, not about being right. Totally. Right. If you want to be right, then you can focus on the disconnect between your parents' religion and who you want to love. And you will be right, you know, because you have the right to love who you love. Right.
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If you want to be happy, to me, happy is having some kind of healthy relationship with mom and dad, even those, even though there potentially is a giant disconnect between how you live your life and how they want you to live your life. And to do that, you have to empathize with them in a way that may not feel fair.
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Sure. Thank you. That actually was helpful. I was kind of getting lost in my rant. They don't know better. Yeah. They don't know better. I'm imagining your parents are beliefs. Your brother's relief is centered around how he was raised by your parents. Your parents believe, I'm assuming is centered around how they were raised by their community and generational brainwashing, call it that.
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It's like, they don't, they don't know better. They don't believe that. that, you know, whatever, if they choose to judge who you love, it's not coming from a place of not loving you. It's quite the opposite. So you just, you don't allow yourself to get angry at them for something they have believed in their heart to be not like something, not like an opinion, but like scripture.
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You know what I'm saying? Like ultimate truth. I mean, like at the end of the day, you know, like there's a part of like, You know, when I was struggling with my faith type of thing, it's just like at the end of the day, I know I saw there was a quote in a movie. I think Norton played a Catholic priest. He was getting counseled from another priest.
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And the priest said, I know two things in this world. One, that God exists. And two, I'm not him. And that really resonated with me in the sense that we have all these people and humans and telling us like who's going to burn in hell and who's not and what's right and not wrong. We'll all find out someday.
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You know? Yeah. Until then, we can all agree or disagree. And you can agree to disagree with your parents.
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Without holding on to that resentment of them not accepting you. I think there's a lot, you know, and again, maybe I'm speaking from a place of privilege. I understand that. But I think you can accept your parents' ignorance without holding on to that anger that they're ignorant.
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And I kind of choose to forgive them in a place where they're not type of thing and then hope that they come around.
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Well, the good news is you have like the lowest of expectations of how your parents are going to handle this. So like any, you know, so they can only surprise me. Yeah. You know, worst case scenario is they're going to do exactly what you think they're going to do for sure. And my guess is you'll just disconnect from that, you know?
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So like, okay, let's just like, you don't do it over Christmas, right? Whatever. And then maybe, maybe happy new year, mom. I'm gay. Um, via text. I don't know. Honestly, it's as good as any, but yeah, I don't know. You would, you could, uh, Again, I'm spitballing here. So like, you know, I think you should do what it's in your heart, to be clear.
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But I don't think you should convince yourself to do more than you think you need to do. I don't think you need to write them some long letter. I don't think you need to make some big thing. If it is simple enough.
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as I'm gay if that's what if that's the if that's how you if that's what you want to do then I think you should do that I think you should protect your peace I think you should protect yourself so like if that's giving them a call and or texting them to allow your parents to to not be present when they have their initial reaction to avoid seeing or hearing right maybe you do that mom dad I'm gay I know this may this news may not receive you well I don't know
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Yeah. But I just want you to know, even though I know there's some distance between us that like, I truly love you as my parents. I'm truly grateful to have you in my life. And you raised me to be the woman that I am. And overall, I'm really proud of who I am as a person. I'm not expecting you.
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to like it I'm not even expecting you guys to be okay with it I just hope that we can still have a relationship and I can still feel your love I don't know something like that I'm just spitballing here but like because isn't that all you really want and then like if your mom wants whatever your mom wants to do with her church at her church yeah Let her do it. I don't know.
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And if your mom wants to get on the phone and guilt you, you just have to remain calm and say, Mom, I understand where you're coming from, but you can't expect me to sit on the phone and listen to you tell me why you think I'm going to burn in hell. I don't agree with you. And that's okay, Mom. That is okay. But I do love you.
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And I think you have to challenge yourself to finish every conversation with some kind of I love you. Because I really think families, you don't get to pick your family, but you can still love them. Totally. Because you definitely don't have to like them. That's for sure. That's kind of what I think. Try to take the pressure off. What do you think, Justin?
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I would definitely agree with your therapist. Yeah. The way you talk about marriage, just in our very brief conversation, it's like you've decided that marriage is like you said, if you can get there, if you can just get across that finish line, then everything will be okay. Then you can just stop worrying then because you'll have a husband and he'll be stuck with you forever.
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Yeah. And if it comes up during the holidays, given the fact that there was an incident in the past, you could just say, mom, I think we both know you don't want to know.
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You know, I just, yeah. I mean, I don't know your parents. I don't know how hardcore they are, but like, maybe you just kind of, you know, fight it with humor or whatever. Let's try to diffuse the situation. I think sometimes, I mean, I do it, you know, it's like, we want to be right. This is a, do you want to be right? Or do you want to be happy?
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It really isn't going to come down to that.
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I really think in a lot of cases, happiness is a choice. Totally. Sometimes we don't want to be happy. Sometimes we want to be chaotic. Sometimes we want to be dramatic. Sometimes we want to be a lot of things that don't include happiness. I think we can often choose to... Happiness comes from peace and tranquility and
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prioritizing things that matter to us most we often don't do these things you know sometimes we often expect to be happy while thinking we can do whatever the fuck we want yeah And that's not true.
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Well, again, I think this comes down to a generalization about when you're dating and gay relationship or heterosexual relationship, we're always looking for potential red flags. And a potential red flag doesn't mean that you're not dateable, so to speak. I think right now you're having confusion about whether you should or shouldn't tell mom and dad. And then when you get challenged on dates...
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It causes you to feel more insecure and project that insecurity and that confusion about what you should do with mom and dad is probably the bigger red flag for anyone who actually is considering whether you are a healthy person to date or not. I can't account for that.
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The judgmental people who, you know, maybe are projecting their own parental issues onto you and demanding you tell them because I don't, I don't know. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, that's not who I'm talking about. So I think this is more about you. being at peace with whatever decision you've made regarding your parents.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
And you can always change that decision over time, but it's more being firm in whatever decision you make. So if you decide for yourself that for whatever reason now is not the right time, because it's just like, you know, listen, I'm pretty confident how they're going to handle it.
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right now i think my relationship with my parents is honestly like kind of good and i'm content with it and i don't need them to know to feel their love and whatever but the people who are in my life my family my my day-to-day family they know and when i if i meet someone i want to date they're going to be able to meet the people i love and engage with and feel like they've met my family
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And you'll never have to worry about being alone again because you'll have your husband.
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There's coming from a religious family and there's coming from conservative families and then there's coming from like your family, you know, like hardcore devout people that you're describing.
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there's going to be a lot of reasons when you go out there and date there that someone might reject you.
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And if someone wants to reject you because they've decided they need to meet someone who's going to introduce them to their biological parents, then like, I guess that like, maybe they're not your person because that person seems to also like have some like rigid non-negotiables that shouldn't be non-negotiables, but they decided they're not negotiables because maybe they have their own shit going on and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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Can you change your viewpoint and let that go? Because based off of talking to you, it sounds like that would probably be a subconscious thought you have towards marriage. I mean, when you articulate it, it's your subconscious thought and your conscious thoughts seem to be pretty aligned.
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We're so afraid of rejection that we refuse to see rejection as a little bit of clarity and it allows people to make decisions for us because like them rejecting you for some random ass shit is this you not having to date them for six months before you found out the thing that you would not want to have to deal with.
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All right. Well, was that helpful? No, it was.
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control and like agency over that decision whether rather than feeling pressured so that feels good and yeah i really appreciate the advice great yeah don't yeah try to remove the pressure try to try to control the situation and as long as you're happy that's all that matters and you're content with who you are that's all that matters and uh
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I can appreciate that. And I would imagine, I would imagine in the queer community that like coming out obviously is a huge moment in someone's life. So I imagine there's a lot of sensitivity and strong opinions about that. But I think the important thing to remember is that everyone's situation is different.
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And just because they have a strong opinion about their experience, it doesn't necessarily apply to your experience. And I think you have to be mindful of that so that you don't allow the people you do date who do have their own trauma and their own intense experience to project that onto you and make you feel like you're doing something wrong when you're not.
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All right. Well, if, and when you do come out, we would love an update. Okay. Yeah. I will let you know.
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Yeah, I'm sure you will. I, I really think there's a strong opinion about this with parents. When you show them that they can't get through, they stop trying.
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But more, more specifically, I guess how I'm trying to say it is this, like your subconscious thought is probably causing you to project in ways towards him that make you feel like a burden, you know, I guess is the lack of a better way of saying it. And yeah, it's, it's, you know, in terms of how you are acting towards him, a lot of that is probably cause in terms of, of, of that.
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You know, like parents will keep trying if they, if they think they have an impact or hope in your life, eventually they'll just, now there's obviously exceptions to every rule and, and, and hopefully your parents, uh, handling isn't to cut you off. Cause you know, the, you know, there's that, that's, there's that possibility. Um,
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But if you're trying to avoid mom Bible thumping you or whatever you want to call it, shut it down immediately. Don't give it oxygen. Respectfully decline to hear your mom and give her, give her the playbook of how to have a relationship with you and see if she's willing to accept that boundary.
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Definitely. And then as always lead with love.
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I'll do that. Okay. Cause they don't know better.
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Have you looked into your like attachment style?
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I'm not an expert. Yeah. But, you know, listen, I do think people look up attachment styles sometimes for the wrong reasons and apply the information they learn for the wrong reasons. But I think it is, it's nice. Like I know by talking to my therapist, I have a bit of abandonment issues, so to speak. I don't like lead with it like, oh, it's my abandonment issues.
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But, you know, every once in a while when I feel triggered, it is nice to be able to name that so that I can clock it, so to speak. And then instead of leaning into my being triggered, it's basically an opportunity to be like, well, maybe it's just like my, you know, abandonment issues causing me to feel these intense feelings.
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Now, it doesn't make it doesn't disqualify the feelings I'm having, but allows me to calm down a little bit. You know, because like when we feel the way we feel, we want to articulate our feelings to our partners. We want our partners to hear us.
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But sometimes what stops us from being able to accurately communicate how we're feeling in a way that our partner can receive it is often ruined by how we approach communicating that feeling. And if we get triggered, we're activated, we have these intense feelings.
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And when we're, when we're kind of triggered and feelings of tense feelings, then we're not capable of articulating things or a feeling. And then we sometimes yell at them and make comments like, I don't know, you know, inventory or whatever the fuck.
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I mean, you know, he's there. I mean, what's the, listen, when it comes to trust, trust is a choice. I really, I really believe that, you know, you can be wrong, right? You can choose the trust and You can realize I shouldn't have trusted that person, you know, in that moment at least. But you have to actively choose to trust someone because you can actively choose not to trust people too.
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And that's what your default is to not trust your partner. How recently has your therapist revealed to you your view on marriage and that it needs maybe some work?
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I don't think you should give up marriage as a goal for either you or this relationship. It's how you approach that goal and how you go about achieving that goal. Totally. That's what matters. Absolutely. Yeah. I don't think your goal is the problem.
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Exactly. Um, cause it won't, you know, like you, you, people get divorced all the time. People are engaged all the time. Uh, it just makes it, it just makes it more of a pain in the ass to be honest. Like the only thing that makes relationship works is a desire to make it work from both parties. I think that's it. You know, you just both have to want to wake up and choose to figure it out.
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People give up in situations like you're describing when they lose hope or they feel like they've tried everything and they can't get anywhere.
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Sure, but I... forgetting about his trauma or your trauma or whatever, again, like, as a, you seem highly intelligent, self-aware, but like, can you wrap your brain around the idea that, If you can, like you and I can sit here and talk and you can acknowledge that marriage is not going to give you the security that you desire.
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You live together. All right. So as far as we know, we're together. We're not actually worried about breaking up. He just said something that I'm assuming you felt was very hurtful.
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Because at the end of the day, to me, when I'm hearing from you, this is about you finding security.
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You know, you want to feel secure and safe in this relationship. Okay, that's a valid feeling, a goal to have. We all want to feel safe and secure. You, somewhere along the lines, have decided that marriage is that security and safety that you need, right? But through this conversation, you can also acknowledge that is a misguided, inaccurate viewpoint of what marriage is, especially in 2024.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
I mean, listen, yeah, back in 1950, marriage might have been this, you know, it's like, yeah, he can't leave me. I mean, he also thinks of me as his property, but hey, at least I'm secure. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. If you wanted to go there, marriage used to have the security, but it's not. It's 2024. And thankfully it is because now women aren't seen as property as it relates to marriage.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
Women have as much agency as men and you have the freedom to remove yourself from a situation that's no longer serving you if it's no longer serving you. Right. It's more costly. It's inconvenient and requires lawyers. But we now can leave any type of relationship, including a marriage, if it's no longer serving us and serving us might be a variety of different things to different people. Right.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
So if you can just you and I, you're saying, yes, you can acknowledge all that. Why can't you just implement that mindset into your life? Why can't you just realize that like, listen, if I want security in my relationship, then I need to work with my partner on finding out how we can both do that. So I can feel like every day we wake up and choose, and today we choose each other.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
And then tomorrow, I hope that we choose each other again. On some level on that mindset, there's a little bit of like uncertainty because, hey, every day you got to choose each other and you don't know if he's going to choose you tomorrow, even though he's choosing you today. Yep.
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E873 Ask Nick - My BF Thinks I’m A Burden
But every day that goes by where you are more connected with your partner than disconnected, it vastly increases the chances of you choosing each other. So just like using logic, you know, why can't you tell yourself that you don't need marriage to get the thing that you ultimately want, which is security?
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ja, aber es ist nicht mehr dein Problem, weißt du? Und du musst nur Glauben haben, dass das Karma sich herausarbeiten wird. Aber je mehr du in diese Beziehung investierst, in diese Person, in diese Familie, desto mehr wird es dich schmerzen. Und je länger es dich heilen wird. Und das klingt so unfair, weil es ist. Und es ist wirklich furchtbar. Aber es ist definitiv der beste Ansatz.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
All right, well, I'm sorry going through this. I'd love an update in the future, just kind of how you're doing, you know, like when people find themselves in the situation you're in, it really feels like you can't see the forest or the trees and you can't see the silver lining.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
You seem to be in a fairly decent headspace, all things considered, but, you know, would love to connect with you when you are really truly feeling grateful that this happened as opposed to knowing that someday you will feel grateful that this happened and I'd love to connect with you and get an update from you when that happens. Okay, for sure. Alright, well take care.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Wir sprechen über unsere Hunde Jeff und Steve, weil wir sie so lieben. Und wir lieben sie so sehr, dass wir uns sichergestellt haben, dass wir sie Pet Health Insurance bekommen haben. Und wir wollten nur sicherstellen, dass unsere Hunde geschlüsselt wurden. Und wir konnten sie Pet Health Insurance durch unsere Freunde bei der ASPCA bekommen.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Heute's Episode is sponsored by the ASPCA Pet Health Insurance Program. Your pet is part of your family and you want the best for them no matter what. But vet bills can really add up, especially when those lovely animals eat things they're not supposed to. And you need to take an emergency visit to that animal hospital. Those charges can add up fast.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
And thank God you have the ASPCA Pet Health Insurance Program to help when those things happen.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
No, you're not. All right, see you later. I'm just kidding. Why is that a thought that is percolating up in your head?
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
He had a video of his college roommate and his college roommate's wife having sex? Yes.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Who's in your dating? What's what described to me your dating pool?
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ja, das macht Sinn. Ich meine, wie früh, wenn du verheiratet bist, bringst du deine Beziehungskräfte?
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
You did, okay. Yeah. Well, that's good, because hopefully that just will allow you to extend your timeline a little bit and maybe take a little bit of pressure off yourself.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
And who are the guys you're interested in? When you look at the pool of men that either you match with, go on dates with, what similarities or patterns are you noticing? Other than their lack of interest in maybe having kids or getting into something serious.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ich würde sagen, das ist nicht wahr. Ich würde sagen, es gibt viele Dinge, insbesondere visuell oder nur auf der Oberfläche, die sehr, sehr anders aussehen. Aber es muss eine Art von Vergleich sein. Es muss sein. Und vielleicht ist die Vergleiche ihr Alter oder ihr Unwissen, was sie in ihrer Leben wollen. Wir hören alle über die biologische Klappe. Die meisten Männer sind zumindest davon bewusst.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ich denke, in der Leben, vor allem Männer, aber auch Menschen generell, ist es so, dass wir nicht wirklich wissen, was wir wollen, bis es manchmal direkt vor unserem Gesicht steht. Und dann, weißt du, der heutige Dating-Klima ist noch schwieriger als vorher, weil alle so unabhängig sind. Und ein Verheirat, weißt du, das ist nicht so, wie es früher war.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Nicht, dass es damals eine große Sache war, als Divorz nicht wirklich eine sozial akzeptable Sache war. Das hat Menschen dazu geführt, besser mit ihrem Scheiß zu handeln und Dinge zu arbeiten und nicht check out. Now it also caused a lot of like infidelity behind the scenes and it was a lot of like secrets.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
But now it's just like the laws being what they are and you know it's just like the marriage laws are still antiquated. They haven't evolved with the time and then you know there's all these things in terms of like well why would I get married if all it does is like put me in some sort of shitty contract.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Also, weißt du, und dann ist es so, dass du, wenn du ein junges Date hast, weißt du, sagen wir, du bist 38 Jahre alt, also du kennst einen 34-Jährigen, der sich von der Art und Weise komplett, was auch immer normal, geeignet, weißt du, du siehst jung aus, er sieht sein Alter aus oder was auch immer. Aber, weißt du, er wird sagen, ich bin heute nicht bereit, Kinder zu haben.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Und auch wenn ich in der Zukunft Kinder haben will. Ich hatte jüngere Frauen getroffen, in meinen 30ern, Frauen, die Kinder hatten. Und ich war immer jemand, der sagte, ich weiß, dass ich Kinder haben will. Das war immer ein Kontext für mich. Das war nie ein Wunsch. Vor allem in meinen 30ern war ich sehr ehrgeizig. Ich war bereit, Vater zu werden.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Das being said, you know, at the time in which I was dating here, dating there, I was also a guy who was like a year or two coming off being the bachelor. I was living in Los Angeles. I was out there hustling. I was doing just fine financially. You know, it wasn't about that, but I didn't know what the future held for me.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Also, wenn du ihn mit diesen Videos getroffen hast, hat er sich zu all dem verabschiedet? Oder was war seine Erklärung? He did, yeah.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ich habe heute Geld verdient, aber ich dachte mir, ob das ein Jahr später für mich verfügbar sein wird. Mein Zukunft war also sehr ungewiss, obwohl mein Wissen darüber, ein Vater zu sein, sehr klar war. Als ich dann mit älteren Frauen verabredet habe, die Kinder hatten, und ich dachte, dass ich vielleicht noch mehr Kinder haben möchte, war es eher so, dass ich dachte,
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
If I say yes to this relationship, we immediately have to start talking about like family planning. It just kind of felt weird and heavy a little bit. Fair or not, that was just a thought process that went in my head, thinking about like, how is this going to work? You know, it kind of felt a bit.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
And I'm glad that you have stuck to your guns there. And I'm glad that you are clear in terms of what you want for yourself. And I think that will serve you well, even though right now it almost feels like your confidence in knowing what you want almost gets in the way of you finding someone. But you're not looking for somebody. You're looking for...
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
So when was the last time you dated someone like 10 years older than you?
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
He'll live. Yeah, I know. The short and simple answer, which sucks, and it's probably not very helpful, is just to continue to be patient and understand that the most important thing for you to do is to try to get rid of these self-limiting beliefs, this am I undateable stuff. What's wrong with me? Where did it go wrong? I think we can look in the mirror Ask ourselves tough questions.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ask what is the thing that I can control? What are the things that I could work on without going 10 steps further and feeling sorry for yourself and being like, what's wrong with me? You know, like there's things wrong with all of us. And we got to look at things being wrong with us, quote unquote, as a positive, because that gives us control. It gives us control over fixing things.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Now, me, I have a toxic ability to look for things that are wrong so that I can fix things that are wrong, because I'd rather feel like I'm in control of a situation rather than accepting that things are outside of my control. Right. So, like, you don't want to do that.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Aber du willst auch nicht da sitzen und dich anstrengen und negativ über dich reden und diese selbstbedrohlichen Glauben in deinem Kopf stellen, wie was ist der Punkt? Ist es für dich schwieriger? Ja, wie ist es, wird es schwieriger, als du älter wirst, mit deiner biologischen Uhr und dem Gefühl der Druck und und Not knowing, should I date younger men, men my age, older men, all three options.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
You know what I'm saying? There's no, right now it feels like there's flaws with all of these possibilities, right? You're dating the 45, 50-year-old man who has kids or clearly doesn't want kids because he hasn't had them yet and nothing's changed. 35-year-old men these days seem like 25-year-old men, you know. Basically.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
And I think it's, so I think it's a couple of things. Like, Du hast es wahrscheinlich schon gehört. Egal wie alt man ist, ist es sehr wichtig für Frauen, die sehr ernsthaft daran sind, sich zu verhalten oder Kinder zu haben, mit Männern zu verhalten, die klar nicht wissen, was sie sein wollen, wenn sie wachsen, so zu sprechen.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ja, wenn sie, wenn sie negativ über ihren Job sprechen, wissen Sie, wenn sie Träumer sind über ihre Zukunft, wissen Sie, wenn sie entrepreneurisch sind, aber es ist mehr ein Traum als eine Realität. Das ist nicht so.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
So you confronted him, he admitted to some stuff and then what happened after that?
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
What is it? Probably something, one or two things that you are doing that you could probably tweak or change. I haven't really figured that out yet, talking to you.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ich meine, dieser 50-jährige Mann, vier Kinder, du warst mit ihnen. Ja. Ja, ich denke nicht sofort, weißt du. Auch die Herausforderung für dich ist, es ist wie, es gibt eine gute Chance, dass dein Kerl nicht denkt, dass er die Dinge will, die er will, wenn er dich trifft, wenn das Sinn macht. Ja. I don't know if I really believed that. It wasn't like an absolute non-negotiable.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
But I was just like, what's the point? I don't know. I really don't give a shit. It was more like if I meet someone who really wants to do it, I guess I'd be open to it, but I don't think I'm looking for that type of thing. And that's honestly probably not even helpful. No, it's not.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
But like, well, you know, what I've learned about the is that every man is capable of of of giving. Yeah. And sometimes, you know, the tall, good looking ones mask it a little better. And then you get to know them and you wake up.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
But I'm glad you're doing that. I think, I mean, probably the, you know, there's a good chance your person is someone that you, that there will be a flaw you see, you know, I married someone a lot younger than me. I had a lot of, you know, I saw a lot of flaws in that relationship early on. Like when I met Nally, you know, you know, we've talked about this ad nauseum, but it was like,
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
you know after the first week and i was like we're never gonna date i just want to be very clear this is never gonna happen you know and then it did right so you know yeah not saying it's the same scenario as yours i'm just saying like as we get you know like the harder part as we get older we get more confident in what we know what we want you know we and so we
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ich erinnere mich an meine 30er-Jahre. Ich habe es meinem Therapeuten gesagt, ich habe es meinen Freunden gesagt. Und es war so, muss ich einfach jemanden wählen und ein Kind mit ihm haben? Weil ich weiß nicht, ob ich wieder in Liebe fallen werde, weil ich nicht mehr 22 Jahre alt werde.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Und ich plane nicht, wieder auf TV zu gehen, um jemanden zu haben, der meine Emotionen verursacht, damit ich einfach... Ich habe mich überzeugt, dass ich in Liebe verliebt bin. Und jeder, mit dem ich rausgehe, sieht gut aus. Jeder sieht gut aus. Und sie sind schön und wunderschön und cool. Und ich mag das über sie und ich mag das über sie und jada, jada. Aber jeder sieht gut aus.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Und dann habe ich jemanden getroffen, der ich wirklich genossen habe. Und dann habe ich gesagt, aber es gibt einen riesigen Fehler. Und sie ist viel jünger als ich und ich werde sie nie verheiratet. Und... I'm glad that you have to change something. You have to say yes to things that seem odd. Set your ego aside. You're not guaranteeing to marry these people.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
You're basically saying no to your ego, your snapshot judgment of people. Deine Vorstellung, wie du dich fühlst und so weiter. Und ich habe mir das gesagt, es ist so, dass deine instantane Reaktion zu Männern und deine initiale Attraktion zu verschiedenen Männern dich nicht irgendwo hinbekommen haben.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
So the feeling of not settling by saying yes to a man you're excited about who you know nothing about also hasn't gotten you anywhere. And you're not looking for arm candy and you're not looking for a partner where all your friends go, you know, who like, you know, instantly want to fuck them or something.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
You're looking for a man who wants to have children, who wants to be a good father and a good partner and take care of you. And if you want to make your friends jealous, we all want to make our friends jealous to a certain extent. You might have to change how you make them jealous.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
It's going to be because you found someone that five years from now, when they're all complaining about their husbands, you're not. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Okay. And did you communicate with his sister much after that?
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ich meine, es gibt, ich weiß nicht, es gibt irgendeine Art von Biologie. Du weißt, wir sind am Ende des Tages nicht zu viele Jahre entfernt von dem Leben in fucking Kaisen. Du siehst einen Mann, der fünf, sieben ist, und deine Biologie sagt dir, er kann mich nicht schützen, wie ein sechs, fünf Monster kann. Und ich muss geschützt werden.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ich weiß nicht, du weißt, es ist eine Realität, du weißt, es ist einfach so, du weißt. Ja, ich weiß.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Es ist so schwer, mit Leuten zu verbinden. Und ich...
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Well, that's because you're a realist, you know, and you're self-aware and that, you know, you have done work on yourself. And I'm not a therapist, but like talking to people about their problems and being self-aware and trying to like lean on my past experiences to help people.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Yes, it is a, you will, it's in your, you know, because you see, you see the angles, you see the other side, you know, you see the reality and you hear, you know, as a therapist, right? Like, Du siehst, dass die Leute sich ständig lügen. Und die Scheiße, die du siehst, die sie sich sagen. Dann versuchst du dir zu sagen, ich werde nicht die Person sein, die sich ständig Scheiße macht.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Aber manchmal kommt das in den Weg. Es tut es wirklich. Du musst, du musst, ich denke, du musst bereit sein, falsch zu sein. Ich denke, wir haben das gesagt, aber als ich Natalie verabredet habe und jetzt war es so, ich bin müde von dieser Scheiße und wir gehen einfach hin und her und ich bin einfach so, ich kann es nicht, ich kann es nicht fucking machen.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Und ich habe meine Freunde angerufen, meine Freunde, die uns verheiratet haben. Und sie waren eine der wenigen Menschen, die ich wirklich vertraue. Und mein Freund Andy ist zehn Jahre älter als Charlene. Aber sie haben sich getroffen, als Charlene in ihren late 20s, early 30s war. Also ihre Ängste. Ich war...
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
It seemed less important. And I asked for their advice. And they loved her. They met Natalie the first weekend I met her. And it was our third day hanging out. And Charlene said to me, she's great. And I'm like, I know. And she's like, but she's too young. And I'm like, I know. And then fast forward, I don't know how many months later, I was like, I'm thinking about trying.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
And they were like, I don't think it should work. I don't think it'll work. And the truth is, their advice was... Ja, und es war laut. Wenn ein Freund dir gesagt hätte, was soll ich tun, und du versuchst, ihm das pragmatischste, glaubwürdigste Tipp zu geben, oder nur die Chancen zu spielen, dann war es so, dass das eine risikantere Wahl war. But I ultimately got off the phone.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
I was just like, I just, I don't know. Fuck it. I just got to see this through.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
I'm just going to do it. Because at that point, I was just like, I've dated a handful of women. And I'm so good at just looking for the flaw. I'm so good at finding the reason it won't work. But I never tried with them. You know, and I thought to myself, well, I could have tried with them. And I don't listen. I wasn't like sad. I didn't end up in any of them.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
But like it did leave me with questions, you know. And here I was, you know, at this point, I wasn't like I mean, I probably did like I was in love with Natalie, but I was very confused about my feelings.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
And so then I was just like, you know what? I'm just gonna find out. I'm just gonna fuck around and find out. And if we date for a year and we break up and it's messy and all my friends say, well, I fucking told you that's what happens when you date a 22-year-old, then I'll just... Ich werde es umgehen. Ich weiß, worauf ich mich hineinbekommen habe.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ich habe mich nicht dazu eingelassen, zu denken, dass ich nicht herumgehen werde, obwohl ich dachte, dass sie für sie alt war. Ich werde nicht herumgehen und versuchen, wenn ich falsch bin, dann bin ich falsch. Und ich denke, das ist der Mindset, den du haben musst.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Deine Person wird nicht... An diesem Punkt in deiner Leben sind die Chancen, dass ein Typ, der an deiner Tür aufsteht, der zu gut scheint, nicht sein wird. Und wenn er das tut, ist er wahrscheinlich noch nicht. Es wird einfach nicht sofort aufstehen. Denn es ist alles... Es ist alles... Es sind alles Fehler. Also versuche, zu sagen Ja zu Leuten, die zuerst wissen, dass es...
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Okay, gut. Die Videos, die du auf deinem Google Drive gefunden hast, hast du sie gerettet? Ja, ich habe sie gerettet.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Verändere die Narrative, stoppe es mit dem Aufhören. Du verheiratest diese Leute nicht, oder?
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Und du wirst Dinge über Menschen akzeptieren müssen. Das ist Liebe. Richtig. Du weißt, wenn du sagst, dass du dich versichert hast, gibt es eine Bedeutung darüber, dass du gewinnen kannst. In einer Art und Weise. Es ist nicht. Und du versuchst nicht unbedingt zu gewinnen.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ja, aber dieser Preis ist Glück. Für mich, wenn es um meine Beziehung zu Natalie geht, ich weiß nicht, wie Leute unsere Beziehung wahrnehmen, ich hoffe, generell positiv, aber wie jeder anderen, es ist weit von perfekt. Wir haben viel Arbeit in unserer Beziehung gemacht. Weißt du, was ich meine? Für mich...
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ob es die Entscheidung war, sie zu verabschieden oder während unserer Beziehung, wenn sich irgendein Schwung vorstellt. Die Frage, die ich mir selbst frage, ist die gleiche Frage, die ich oft anderen Menschen frage, nämlich wie fühlt sie mich an? Overall, not like in this moment, you know, whatever, but how do I feel being with her? How does she make me feel?
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
And it was always, you know, she makes me feel loved. Even when I was the most upset with her and disconnected, it was like, I still feel like this person really cares about me and loves me and makes, you know, and that's what I'm looking for. Und es war das. Ich suchte für das Glück. Diese Person macht mich glücklich.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Okay, also du hast über die Bipolarität und die Smear-Kampagne gesprochen. Und dann, was ist passiert?
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Egal ob die Namen, die Leute mich anrufen oder sie anrufen, oder egal ob die Scheiße, die wir durchgearbeitet haben, und Dinge, die wir über uns verstanden haben, als wir uns kennengelernt haben, und Dinge, wo es war wie, ja, du weißt, es ist eine Überraschung, Ali, das ist die Person, mit der du sechs Monate zuvor verliebt wurdest, und so weiter und so fort.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Es war, aber ich fühle, ich liebe das, ich fühle die Liebe, ich liebe diese Person, es war nicht um, du weißt, wie viele Male, wenn du jünger bist, ist es einfach so, ich weiß nicht, ob ich das akzeptieren sollte, du weißt, es ist einfach mehr wie dieses Defiant, wie ich war, als ich eine Show war, diese Person hat alle Rechte, um überrascht zu sein, du weißt, und alle Rechte, um zu sein, du weißt, und ich weiß nicht, ob sie wieder zusammenkommen werden oder nicht, und ich sage nicht, dass sie es sollten oder nicht, aber wie
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Manchmal ist es so, wenn du lügst, wenn du das tust, bin ich fertig.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Und die Realität ist, dass wir älter werden, wir werden komplizierter, das Leben wird komplizierter, wir sind weit von, du weißt, und das ist kein Entschuldigung, um schlechtes Verhalten zu akzeptieren oder sich zu befriedigen oder Entschuldigungen zu machen, aber für mich ist das Leben nicht, es ist wie, wie respondieren Menschen zu Schwierigkeiten? Das ist so ein Messer für mich.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Because we can't predict the future. No one's perfect. Everyone fucks up. We fuck up. But how do we respond to that adversity? How do we move forward, even if it is a big fuck up type of thing? Und für mich ist das viel wichtiger, als wie jemand sich in den ersten sechs Wochen, die sie treffen, darstellt. Oder wie alt sie sind, oder wie sie aussehen, oder wie alt sie sind, oder solche Dinge.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ich meine, es ist wie, wenn du, ich meine, es ist wie, ich erinnere mich an Natalie, und ich weiß nicht, warum ich das gedacht habe. But I had such this perception of her family. Her family is so much like mine in so many ways, you know? Like, which is completely imperfect and absolutely flawed.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
But they're great people and there's a general closeness with her family, despite there's always some kind of internal conflict with her family. Just like, you know, every other family.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
But I just remembered that I had this, like, idea, you know?
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exaggerate the positives or exaggerate the negatives of a person so it's just like being on the bachelor i always tell people it's just like at the end of the day the bachelorette or the bachelor they 99 of the time they pick the person they're most physically attracted to regardless of what they tell themselves or tell the audience or tell america and it's not because they're more shallow than anyone else it's because they are stuck and trapped in an environment where they can't trust anything
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
They have no support system, they have nothing. And the only thing they can trust is their eyes and the chemistry that they feel. And it's just like, I don't know any of these people and I don't know who's being honest or sincere and how can you be honest and sincere even in this environment. But what I do know, I think they're hot.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
And so I'm going to stick with that and I'm going to hope for the best.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Genau. Und das ist nicht anders als alle von uns in der Dating-Welt, wo du deine Augen vertraust und dann versuchst du, dich zu überzeugen, dass diese Person die Ausgabe der Regelung ist, diese anderen Bereiche. Aber du musst versuchen, das Denken zu vermitteln. Date die Leute, die du geträumt bist.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ich sage nicht, dass du da rausgehen solltest und anfangen solltest, die Leute zu vermitteln, die du nicht geträumt bist. Aber du musst dir offen sein, den initialen Grund zu finden, zu sagen, nein, und das frühzeitig durchzuführen. Und dich dazu zu erlauben, Leute zu kennen. Was, wiederum, du wirst Pause nehmen müssen, weil du dich beschädigt wirst.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Und es ist wie, es gibt nur 99 aus 100 Menschen, die du nicht interessiert werden solltest, auch wenn du eine Zukunft hast.
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That's an ego thing, right? You've decided, I don't know what age that person is in your head, but 23-year-old you had a plan for yourself. And you're still holding on to that plan.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ja, und deine 28-Jährigen Freunde sind wie diese Beziehungen, sind sie, sind sie in der Lage, sich zu entschleunigen?
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ja, es ist furchtbar. Nicht sogar ein bisschen. Es ist völlig furchtbar. Und du hast das Recht, furchtbar zu sein. Aber du musst versuchen, das überzugehen.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Es ist wirklich furchtbar. Und wenn du ein bisschen bitter sein willst, dann sei so, wie ich es immer sage, dass die Hälfte dieser Freunde verabredet werden.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ich würde einfach dein Datingpool ein bisschen mehr vermischen. Ich weiß nicht. Ich würde versuchen. Ich würde von den etwas jüngeren Männern weggehen. Nicht, dass du es komplett tun musst, aber... Ich weiß, ich weiß.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Not that you would or should do anything with these videos, but have you reminded them that I would never distribute this stuff because it's not mine to distribute, but I have these.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Yeah, I hear you. But there are gonna be some not balding... I'm sure they're very nice, yeah. But there's gonna be some not balding, not totally overweight 40-some-year-old guys who just haven't found their person, you know? And maybe some of these guys need a good woman in their lives to clean up their act, you know?
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
I mean, that, you know, it's tough to, like... I wish I could help some of these, like...
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lonely lonely man who just need a a reason to give a shit about themselves and put a little you know and and get up and and run a lap and eat healthier and and if they if they don't want to take pills or put cream on their head or get surgery or wear a toupee or whatever at least they shave their head you know the truth is like when when i met natalie i there's a lot of parts of my life where still very much it was giving 25 year old guy
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Nein, das sind die Mehrheit der Männer, die ich treffe, die um mein Alter herum sind.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ja, ich wollte nicht nach einer Mutter suchen. Aber Männer wollen sich sicherlich kümmern. Ich glaube, dein perfekter Typ ist jemand, der vielleicht ein paar Jahre älter als du ist. Und sie haben sich ein bisschen verloren, weil sie, wie du selbst, ihre Person gefunden haben. Ja. Und sie bringen dich in ihre Leben.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Sie sind nicht eine totale Verlorene, wo sie suchen, dass jemand wie du sie komplett ändern oder ihre Leben ändern. Aber sie haben einfach, anstatt ihre Schuhe jedes zwei Monate zu waschen oder eine Frau zu einbeziehen, wo es keine Schuhe gibt auf ihrem Bett, weil, wer gibt das? Sie haben ein bisschen mehr Selbstvertrauen. Ja.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ja, sie sind es. Sie denken einfach nicht über solche Sachen. Und Männer, die meistens Single sind, werden irgendwie verletzt. Und sie werden sich einfach mit älteren Kindern komfortabel machen. Man muss keine Hoffnung verlieren. Man muss aufmerksam bleiben. Stopp mit diesen selbstleidenden Glauben. Versuche, dich selbst zu ermutigen, Ja. Ja.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Einiges davon ist, dass man eine frustrierende Situation nicht schlechter macht, wenn man denkt, dass es keine Hoffnung gibt. Es ist nicht attraktiv, negativ zu sein. Es ist nicht attraktiv, frustriert auf einem Date zu sein oder einfach zu klingen, dass man sagt, okay, starte zu sprechen, Junge, und versuche mich zu überzeugen, warum wir nicht werden. Weißt du, was ich meine?
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ja, lass mich... Ich würde sie nicht verteilen, aber ich bin so, hey... Hast du den Text von ihm, dass er dich schulden würde? Ja. Er sagt, er würde dich für Revenge-Porn schulden, er erkennt, dass diese Videos existieren.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Und wir haben alle schon so Dates gemacht. Ich weiß, dass ich das schon gemacht habe. Oder es ist so, warum bin ich überhaupt hier? Und die andere Person denkt nur, dass ich ein Arschloch bin, weil ich nur eine negativen Attitüde habe über dieses Date und solche Dinge. Du weißt, wenn du das so fühlst, musst du einfach ein paar Pause nehmen. Ja, ja. All right.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ich fühle mich nicht so hilfreich, wie ich sein könnte.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Well, that's good. And the fact that you can recognize it's big for you is a sign that you haven't done much of it in the past. And if you can continue down that path, something good is going to happen. You know, it's always good to push ourselves out of our comfort zones as long as we're safe.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Because we just, you know, it's like as we get older, again, like that's why I always say, as we get older, our circle of friends gets smaller, right? You know, which is a good thing usually, but sometimes, again, we can get a little too, especially when we're single, right? Like, Du weißt, du bist unabhängig.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Und von der Definition her bist du gut, wenn du seltsam bist, weil du dich nur um dich selbst kümmerst, was gut ist, weil du einzigartig bist. Aber manchmal können wir uns ein bisschen verletzen. Wir können uns ein bisschen zu komfortabel fühlen. Wir können ein bisschen, wiederum, diese pessimistische Person. Wir müssen uns herausfordern, unsere Komfortzone zu erweitern.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Wenn wir einen Partner haben, wenn wir Kinder haben, sind wir gezwungen... Jetzt lerne ich... River ist 14 Monate alt und es ist so, dass wir anfangen, Freunde mit einigen Fremden zu machen, mit denen wir niemals sprechen würden. Aber jetzt haben wir eine Tochter und wir wollen sie zu Freunden machen.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Also sind wir gezwungen, aus unserer Komfortzone rauszukommen und mit Leuten zu engagieren, mit denen wir sagen, ich weiß nicht, ob ich jemals mit dieser Person gesprochen hätte, weißt du?
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
But that's going to lead to good things. So you've got to find the silver lining. I am a big believer there's always a silver lining. There's always something to learn. You've got to be patient. You know, this 50-year-old man, just tell him what you want. At some point, someone's going to surprise you.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Nun, das ist eine ganz andere Diskussion. Und wir wollen definitiv... Die Antwort ist nein, es ist nicht wert, für sicher. Du bist immer noch sehr viel wie heilend und schmerzhaft gerade. Und um klar zu sein, diese Smear-Kampagne, diese Dinge, die er über dich sagt, seemen zu sein, limitiert zu seiner Familie und vielleicht seinen Freunden. Ja. Und im großen Schema der Dinge, wer kümmert sich?
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Es ist sehr. Ich war alle 30 Jahre Single. Es ist eine seltsame Dekade, Single zu sein. Ja, weil du immer noch sehr jung fühlst und du fühlst dich voll von Potenzial, aber du hast, du fühlst dich, dass du all diese Begegnung und Selbstbewusstsein hast und es ist einfach so, dass es schwer ist, in Liebe zu fallen.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Und ich denke, es kommt aus einer Dekade, in der es einfach war, in Liebe zu fallen, aber diese Einigkeit, in Liebe zu fallen, kam mehr aus unserer Unwissenheit oder unserer... Ja, absolut. Und ich denke, vielleicht musst du ein bisschen messiger werden. Das klingt so, wie du es tust, weil strecken deine Komfortzone von der Definition her ein bisschen messig wird.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Und dir ermöglichen, Fehler zu machen, weil wenn du deine Komfortzone drückst, bist du weniger bewusst von den Schwierigkeiten. Du kannst das Problem hinter der Kante nicht sehen, weil es ein neues Umfeld ist, es ist eine neue Situation. Also ich denke ehrlich gesagt, mehr davon, indem du sicher bist, dass du patient und positiv bist, was so furchtbar ist, aber das ist wahrscheinlich das Beste.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Well, thank you for the call. I would love an update in the future.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
I'm sure you will. Just you got a lot, a lot of things going for you. So keep doing it. Just stop with the whole like, am I undateable? And then just try more older guys and younger guys.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
The younger guys are filled with reasons of why they don't know. Again, remember, you know what it's like to be 30 and single, man or woman. And so these 34-, 35-year-old men, half of which don't even love their jobs and are about to enter in some sort of midlife crisis, partly because they're also single, it's like there's just more obstacles. Yeah.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
find the guy who's still single, but has pushed through that like weird phase of like trying to live up to their twenties or expectations and just kind of settle into like who they are as a human being.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ich meine, ich weiß, dass du gerade kümmerst, aber... Es wird dich wahrscheinlich nur noch mehr schaden, um investiert zu bleiben. Du hast jetzt zwei Entscheidungen. Assumiert, dass du dich von diesem Mann ausgewählt hast. Und du hast entschieden, ich will nicht daran arbeiten. Verzeih ihm. Es war eine Sache für ihn, ihn zu fangen, das zu tun.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Why are you worried you'll never be in a long-term relationship?
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
That's a 39-year-old woman. No, I get it. I mean, I hold on to that age until...
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Okay. Kids, do you have kids, not want kids? Where do they fall in the equation?
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Okay, das ist großartig. Erzähl mir ein bisschen über deine vergangenen Beziehungen oder Beziehungen, die dir wirklich Angst und Angst verursachten. Ich habe gerade mit einer Frau auf dem Telefon gesprochen, die etwas jünger ist als du, aber relativ gleich alt ist, die noch nicht getreut ist und noch nicht Kinder hat und sehr gerne Kinder haben will. Sie ist anders, aber ähnlich wie du.
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Dann seine Antwort und seine Aktionen in Bezug auf das Fangen.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Sie hat viel Angst. Was ist mit ihr falsch? Wird sie es jemals finden? Was du für dich hast, was sie nicht hat, ist die Realität. Sie will Kinder, als 30-jährige Frau. has presented a lot of obstacles for her.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
arguably almost more hurtful you know to lie to try to hurt you to protect himself knowing he's already hurt you you know is is is pretty sinister so assuming that you are completely know that you can't get back together with this person and you've accepted that which not even sure if you're 100 there i don't know i mean it's still very raw but assuming that's the case
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
You know, it's just like, she feels like, you know, if she dates a little younger, she meets men that, you know, aren't sure what they want and maybe aren't even ready to have kids where she's just like, hey, I'm not trying to like put a timeline on you, but like, hey, you know, I gotta be intentional about this.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Whether she meets men who are older, who already have had kids, who don't want more, you know. Und all you're looking for is a life companion, you know, which is hard and I get it.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
But like that, you know, it's the good news is in terms of your biggest challenge, what I'm hearing from you is just working through whatever trauma you've experienced, because you're it sounds like intentionally or unintentionally, you feel like it is is that it's affecting how you can be in relationships, right?
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Okay. I imagine it must be kind of hurtful or painful to reflect on that relationship and say things to me or yourself like I should have left a long time ago or I stayed in it too long and I felt trapped but I kept fighting and then have him be the one who says I'm out. And then almost I imagine there's probably a lot of self-anger about like
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allowing him to make you feel that way, where it's just like you felt so powerless in a relationship and you couldn't even find the power to leave a man who you knew you should have left a long time ago. Right?
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Deine zwei Chancen sind es, zu versuchen, Menschen zu überzeugen, mit denen ich verstehe, mit denen du sehr nahe bist, mit denen du eine Beziehung gebaut hast, mit denen du diesen Mann heiraten wirst. Aber die Realität ist, wenn du nicht mit dieser Person zurückgehen kannst, ist diese Beziehung mit dieser Familie auch vorbei.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Well, I don't know how to say this or articulate this. I mean, other than the fact that like two things can be true at the same time, right?
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
And regardless of how you reflect or feel about the situation, you're not going to be able to change the past. You know, you can't time travel. So you could sit there and be like, I should have left sooner. That's just a thought, one. And that's a thought that's coming from a place of grieving and pain and suffering, which is normal. It doesn't mean anything. You know, it's like...
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Es ist nicht so, als ob ein Genie oder Gott oder was auch immer herkommt und sagt, oh, du wünschst, du hättest lange hergebrochen. Und du tatsächlich, nur um es zu wissen, dein Wunsch passiert tatsächlich, bevor du deine Kinder hast. Also wir nehmen sie einfach weg. Oder ich glaube, das bedeutet nicht, dass du liebst. Das ist nicht so, wie es funktioniert.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
The way I would look at it is to try to let those feelings show up. Feelings come, feelings go. How do we process those feelings? Do we allow them to process? Do we allow them to show up, recognize them and allow them to go? Or do feelings show up and do we sit with them Und sie zu halten und diese Gefühle zu behalten und nicht zu processen und weiterzumachen.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Und diese Angst zu halten und solche Dinge. Und das uns befindet und uns über eine Situation ruminiert, weil unsere Egos es nicht lassen. Der Ego dachte, du lässt ihn dir das tun. You stayed in too long and why did you do that? And you're a fool and yada, yada, yada. What I would love for you to get to a place when you think about your past relationship is simply this. I have my kids.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
And whatever, however, like, you know, as I'm guessing it's safe to say that whatever cost It would, you know, again, using like God or some angel came down and said, this is the cost of keeping your kids. And that is the pain you've dealt with. You would be like, great, sold, you know? Yeah. Yeah. So that's kind of how you have to look at that, you know?
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
And everything else is just, I don't know, like, I feel like an ego driven thought. Are you ruminating or like second guessing yourself and maybe an effort to hurt and feel? And I think it's, Du hast auch schon etwas über die Versuchung, deine Person zu finden gesagt.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ich schätze, als er dir gesagt hat, dass er jemand anderes liebt, ich schätze, es gab einen Zeitpunkt, in dem es so klingt, als hättest du wirklich versucht, da draußen zu gehen und ziemlich schnell zu verheiratet zu werden.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Vergiss die Verletzungen und die Nassheit dieses Verbrechens und wie du herausgefunden hast und wie unglaublich es sich fühlt, auch wenn es schmerzhaft war. Even if you guys just woke up one day and looked at each other and said, we're not compatible. Let's break up. And you both kind of like weirdly felt like relieved and cared about the other person. You would reach out to his family.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Well, I mean, I get what you're saying, but like, I don't, I think real healing and real growth is not needing to prove to yourself.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
It's just knowing that you didn't, you know, it's like forgiving yourself. It's just like, it doesn't do you any good, like you said, to be like, oh, I should have broken up with you earlier, you know. Ich bin eine Person, egal ob in meinen romantischen Beziehungen, Freundesbeziehungen, meinen professionellen Beziehungen, ich halte immer auf eine Beziehung länger als ich sollte. Immer.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ich halte immer auf eine Beziehung länger als ich sollte. It's a flaw. It's so much that it is a flaw. But the silver lining there is I don't have regrets. When it comes to relationships, I have finally left or stayed in so much longer that they left me, even when I knew it was not great. Ich habe keine Regretten. Ich schaue nicht zurück und wundere mich, ob ich zu ehrgeizig war.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ich komme nicht zurück. In Wahrheit, ich weiß das, weil wenn die Beziehung endet, egal ob wieder, was auch immer der Inhalt ist, ist es wie, ich bin immer so, und ich weiß, warum es ein Problem für mich ist, weil meine Leben meistens besser sind, wenn diese Beziehung endet, dass ich, du weißt, es ist wie, oh Gott, Mann.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Aber ich habe immer Angst vor dem, was ich in der Beziehung, in der ich mich fortbehalte, verliere. Und ich will dafür kämpfen und so weiter. Du musst einfach zu einem Ort gehen, wo du sagst, ja, okay, ich bleibe da zu lange. Aber jetzt ist das vorbei. Und jetzt muss ich einfach weitergehen. Anstatt zu versuchen, dir zu zeigen,
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Wenn dein Ex-Husband wirklich ein Narzisst ist und er hat einen Narzisst, dann wirst du nie die Satisfaktion davon bekommen, ihn zu verletzen oder ihn zu verletzen, weil er so ist. Du verpasst deine Energie, er wird dir die Satisfaktion nicht geben, auch wenn er es will. Ja, das stimmt. You just got to be thankful you're not in it anymore. And, you know, you are still young.
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You'd reach out to his sister. You guys would talk about like, you know, you guys are sad and Ich möchte in Kontakt bleiben, aber schlussendlich, und ich weiß nicht wann, würde diese Beziehung langsam weggehen.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
You have a lot going for you. You look great. You know, you have kids. Your desire for children. You're open. You're open. You're not even like, hey, I already have two kids. I'm done. Weil wenn das der Fall wäre, könnte es dich komplicieren, deine Person zu finden. Weil vielleicht kennst du jemanden, der das noch tut. Und du denkst, ich werde es nicht machen.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Du bist einfach offen, was der beste Ort ist, wo es einfach so ist. Alles, was du suchst, ist ein bestimmter Typ von Person, wie sie dich behandelt. Richtig. And you're open to not having kids. You're open to having kids. You're open to kind of anything. You just want someone who in a lot of ways is the opposite of your first husband. And that's basically because he treated you so poorly.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
You're just looking for someone who treats you generally with respect.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Yeah. But now your biggest challenge is kind of being patient.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Sie könnte weggehen, wenn er jemanden treffen würde, oder sie könnte weggehen, wenn du jemanden treffen würdest, aber schlussendlich, du weißt, deine nächste Person, und wer weiß, wann diese Person sich erwecken wird, es könnte Jahre nach jetzt sein, ich weiß nicht, es könnte nächste Woche sein. They're not going to love the fact that you're like still besties with your ex-fiance's family.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Oh, wow. Okay. Beschreibe diese Schmierkampagne. Auf welchem Niveau bist du geschmiert?
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Yeah, I don't know the answer of when, but from what you're describing, this kind of sounds pretty positive. And I feel like, well, yeah, I mean, it sounds like progress to me. It sounds like even before recently, since you've been an adult person, it sounds like attracting men has been relatively easy for you and you've always had some kind of love interest, healthy or not, in your life.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Es gibt zwei Kräfte in Bezug auf die Menschen. Es gibt die Menschenliebhaber und dann gibt es die Menschen, die wirklich gut sind, Boundaries zu setzen. Und manchmal sind sie schwierig. Die Grund, warum Menschen Boundaries setzen können, die die Überzeugung, dass sie schwierig sind, geben können, ist, weil sie wirklich lieben, wer sie sind. Und sie sind so zufrieden mit dem, wer sie sind.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
So viel so, dass sie sich zufrieden sind mit manchen Leuten, die sie nicht lieben. Und sie brauchen keine Anwanderer, die sie lieben, weil sie sich generell genug lieben. Und ich fühle mich gerade, vielleicht für das erste Mal in deiner Leben, du bist in dieser Saison entstanden, dass du genug für dich bist. Und du gehst zum Gym und kümmert dich um dich selbst.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Und es ist fast so, als ob ein Mann dich in der falschen Situation, wie in einem Gym, aufmerksam macht. Du findest dich nur obnoxios oder erstaunlich. Und vielleicht ist das, weil du es nicht so viel brauchst. Es war nicht die Männer, die du suchst, es war die Validierung. Es war die Aufmerksamkeit. Es war, genug zu fühlen.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Es war, jemanden zu benötigen, um dir etwas Zeit zu geben, weil, wenn du es nicht bekommst, hast du dich dann weniger gefühlt. Und ich frage mich, ob vielleicht, ich denke, du bist noch heilig, aber nicht das benötigen, für irgendeinen Grund, bedeutet, dass du es nicht benötigst. Und nicht benötigen ist eine gute Sache, weil ich denke, in der Vergangenheit warst du nicht für dich selbst verabredet.
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You know what I'm saying? And so right now it's just, it's very hard because like, you know, you don't want to break up with this family either because like, you know, you care about them and there's a relationship and that's just hard to let go.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Du warst Dating to fill a void, you know, to feel enough to get revenge, to remind yourself that you still got it or you still could, you know, and things like that. And now you're just like, you know, as an almost 40-year-old woman who already has kids, who, you know, has a lot going for her, who can still attract a lot of men, you have the benefit of being patient and taking your time.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Und wenn du ein Date willst, weil du, weißt du, es ist wie, ich fühle mich ein bisschen wie abgelaufen. Du kannst das, wenn du willst, weißt du. Und wenn du nicht deine Person findest, bis du 45 bist, in den nächsten fünf Jahren, kannst du. Habt Spaß mit euren Mädchen. Ihr könnt independent und abenteuerlich sein. Ihr könnt euch darauf konzentrieren, die beste Mutter möglich zu sein.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Denn wenn diese Person in deinem Leben zeigt, zum Beispiel bei 45 Jahren, dann ist das, was du für eine romantische Begegnung suchst, sehr anders als das, was du vor 20 Jahren suchtest. You probably didn't even know what you were looking for.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
You were kind of just looking for someone who thought you were hot and made you feel good about yourself, that your friends got jealous of who you were dating, and then someone who also wanted to have, and then you wanted to have kids with them. And you did get all, you probably got all of that, right? But du merkst, dass das vielleicht nicht das ist, was du suchen solltest.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Es ist nicht das, was du wirklich wolltest. Du wolltest jemanden, der kinderlich war und das anmerkbar war und dich als Priorität fühlte, der eine Note oder Feedback nehmen konnte, der ihre eigenen Faulten beurteilt hatte. Und jetzt hast du den Vorteil, darauf zu konzentrieren. Denn ganz ehrlich gesagt, Some people don't have the benefit of that.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
They have to worry about, do they still want to have kids? Do they want to get married? And you don't have to worry about that. So you have a shit ton going for you. And you really truly can be selfish and patient. And in the meantime, have a ton of fun as an independent person. And for the first time in your adult life, embrace the fact that you answer to no one other than your children.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
And then your ego, I'm sure, is triggered, you know, because like he hurt you and now he's hurting you again because the people you cared about and his opinions who you respect have, you know, you're afraid, think a certain way about you. Du musst dich einfach daran erinnern, und ich hoffe, dass das dir helfen wird. Du hast gehört, dass ich sage, du willst richtig sein, du willst glücklich sein.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Du weißt, dass du hier richtig bist. Du weißt, dass du diesen Kerl getroffen hast. Du weißt, dass er lügt. Du weißt, dass er eine verdammte Sache gemacht hat. And even if he wasn't convincing his family that you're bipolar, you would still want them to empathize with your pain. You would still want them to take your side. You would still want them to hold their son or brother accountable.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Yeah. Yeah, I would say a couple of things. I would say, one, I think your feelings are very normal and valid and they make a lot of sense. And your biggest fear around like, well, how do I know if this is right or whatever? And my answer to that is, the better you get, wenn du dich liebst, und je besser du dich fühlst, desto besser wirst du dich fühlen.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Das könnte die erste Zeit sein, dass du dich fühlen kannst, wenn du Single bist, aber ich denke immer noch, du bist ein Prozess, wenn es darum geht, Single zu sein. Sind deine Freunde aktiv, um dich zu treffen, um dich zu vorstellen?
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Is that based off of you at times talking about how you wish you could or want to or expressing frustration with being single? Or are they just...
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ich würde sie einfach stoppen. Ich denke immer noch, du hast viel Erfolg gemacht, vielleicht hast du noch mehr Erfolg zu machen.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Und die Ungewissheit, nicht zu wissen, ob du sagen wirst, was gesund oder unfreundlich ist, ist für mich ein Zeichen davon, dass du dir immer noch zufrieden damit fühlst, dass du genug hast für dich selbst, dass du nicht fühlst, als ob du einen Mann benötigst, um dich zu erfüllen, weißt du, in dem Sinne, dass es viel Sinn macht, dass du sagst, okay, hier bist du, du bist um 40 Jahre alt, du denkst über das zweite Kapitel deines Lebens,
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
And you hope that a big chunk of that second chapter of your life has someone that you can share a lot of cool experiences with and have that be person of the opposite sex that you're romantically attracted to and you have some good sex along the way type of thing. You share stories, right? And that's normal. But like that, you know...
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
I know maybe your first chapter went pretty fast or whatever, life certainly goes by fast, but that second chapter has at least 40 some years plus in it, right? And so you take your time. There is literally nothing right now that is telling you, you need to hurry up.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
You know, again, my last caller, I didn't have, we didn't have, you know, as we were talking and kind of trying to figure out her problem or whatever, not that she like had a problem. Well, I mean, her problem was she, she,
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
she wants to have a kid with a man and she wants to find her companionship and the wanting a child in the relatively near future, there were things outside of her control, given like biology and science, that like, and there were certain things she was hoping to avoid having to do, you know, things like that, but you don't have any of those problems.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
And that's fair. And however close you are with his family, they're not your family, they're his family. And at the end of the day, maybe they do believe you. You know what I'm saying? Maybe it's just like, well, whether we believe you or not, he is our brother. We're not going to like disown him over this. Like you guys aren't together.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ich meine, hör auf, dass du das, während du generell offen bist, weißt, dass du, wenn du es deinem Weg hättest, ein anderes Kind haben würdest. Wenn du jetzt deine Geschichte schreiben könntest, klingt es, als würde ein dritter Kind Teil dieser Geschichte sein. Aber du bist eine Mutter. Und nicht Kinder zu haben und ein Kind zu haben, ist riesig anders.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Und ich sage das als jemand, der jetzt und ich versucht haben, unsere Familie nicht erfolgreich zu wachsen. Und das hat sehr schmerzhaft gewesen. Aber wir sind so... Dankbar, dass wir unsere Tochter haben. Und so dankbar, als die vielen Familien und Menschen da draußen, die das, was wir letztens erlebt haben, erlebt haben, aber nicht das Glück haben, dass sie es können, ein gesundes Kind zu geben.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Und wir sind sehr dankbar dafür. Und es ist nicht genau... was we want to be dealing with right now, but we can see that. And similar to you, you have the benefit of that. And while it's not perfect, and it's not the way you would necessarily write your story, there are a lot of good things there that you're just going to have to challenge yourself to focus on.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
It is normal to turn 40 and freak out. I kind of felt weird about it, but you are in a unique position als eine Frau, die um 40 Jahre alt ist, wie ein Mann, der um 40 Jahre alt ist. Viele Frauen, die Single sind, die Kinder haben wollen, die nicht den Vorteil haben, Kinder zu haben, sind nicht in der Lage, so zu tun. 40-jährige Männer, die noch Kinder wollen, die noch nie Kinder hatten,
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
kann sich umdrehen und herausfinden und einen 23-Jährigen daten, der vielleicht die dummste Sache ist, die sie jemals gemacht hat, weil es eine Menge gibt. Und es kann in ihrem Gesicht explodieren und sie können dann 42 sein und nichts hat sich wirklich für sie verändert. Sie sind immer noch in der Lage, Kinder zu haben, wenn sie die richtige Person treffen.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Sie sind ein paar Jahre älter und hoffentlich haben sie die gleiche Menge Haare. als sie das vor zwei Jahren gemacht hat. Und du hast das, du musst dich nicht um deine Haare kümmern, wie 40-jährige Männer. Also, es ist eine Menge, es ist eine Menge, wie du dich wählst, auf diese Situation zu schauen.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
So, you know, it's like, I think we just need to like slowly let go, you know, and you're here. It just feels wrong. You know, it feels again like. Du musst schon die Gesichter schlagen, jetzt schlagen sie dich in den Bein. Es fühlt sich nicht richtig oder rechtlich an. Und es ist nicht. Es ist nicht richtig oder rechtlich. Aber deine Energie ist jetzt nicht auf Heilung gehandelt.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
und wir alle haben selbstbedrohliche Glauben, wir alle haben Gefühle und Dinge, die uns in den Kopf kommen, aber ich denke, du musst dich einfach daran erinnern, wie viel Erfolg du gemacht hast und du musst dir die Gnade geben und du musst lachen und Spaß haben und einfach sagen, dass ich bin, dass ich bin, dass ich bin, dass ich bin, dass ich bin, dass ich bin, dass ich bin,
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Yeah, you made some bad decisions dating when you were younger, but your bad decisions were based off of thinking you needed a man and you needed the validation and then you wanted to have kids and then you got stuck in this very toxic relationship. But I'm not saying you should go like fuck some 28-year-old guy.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
I'm just saying that if all you wanted to do was go on vacation with your friends and just have fun and throw caution to the wind,
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
and you decided, you know what, I haven't been late in a while and I'm going to do that with a 28-year-old man, sort of just making sure you have protected sex, you can do that guilt-free and risk-free and just have some fucking fun in ways that other people in your position don't feel like they have the luxury of doing.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
And if you waste 6 to 12 months with a guy you probably realize you had no business doing that with, You don't have to beat yourself up or be like, I shouldn't have done that. You didn't really waste much time. You have the benefit right now of kind of doing things for the plot.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
I'm not saying you should necessarily do that, but embrace the fact that you have the ability to do that. And I think going back to your greatest fears of knowing what is healthy and not knowing and feeling triggered when you meet a guy you like, to me, that is a sign that you're honestly just not ready to date.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Meiner Meinung nach sagt dein Körper dir, dass du dir immer noch Selbstliebe geben sollst. Und du sagst dir, wie weiß ich das? Je besser du weißt, was du verdienst, um dir die Dinge zu geben, die du verdienst, und die meiste davon ist Gnade, und wie du dich siehst und wie du darüber sprichst,
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
you know, and how you talk about yourself to your friends, the better you are, the kinder you are to yourself and the more respect you give yourself and the more, the way you prioritize yourself in einer Art und Weise, die nicht unbedingt narzisstisch oder selbstzentriert ist. Und du kannst immer noch, weißt du, du kannst eine einzige Frau sein, richtig? Und du kannst dich priorisieren.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Und noch einmal, du bist immer noch eine Mutter von zwei, also hast du, weißt du, du hast ein paar Leute, die dich wirklich brauchen, um für sie da zu sein, richtig? And if you have any free time, you can give back to your community.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
You can volunteer and you can do things to hold yourself accountable so that you're not just like become some self-centered, egotistical person who's like trying to make up for lost time because she gave so much to this narcissistic man who didn't deserve that. You know what I'm saying? You can do things to check yourself while still getting better at loving yourself.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
And the better you get at that, when you meet a guy who doesn't match the way you've been treating yourself the past 6, 12, 2 months, 3 years, 4 years, 5 years, that will be a signal to you that they're not your guy.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
But right now, you're still not totally comfortable with giving yourself that grace, with treating yourself with love and respect and kindness and things like that, that you don't know how to hold men accountable who also don't do that.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ja, also du hast noch ein bisschen Arbeit, du hast Erfolg gemacht, du hast noch mehr Erfolg zu machen, richtig?
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Und nur um das sehr spezifische Gedanke zu beantworten, das du hattest, ist, dass es immer etwas sein wird, was Menschen dazu führt, sich über andere Menschen zu denken. Es gibt immer etwas, das Menschen stressen oder sich nicht selbst verletzen wird. Das ist also nicht eine wahre Ausgabe. Wir alle brauchen Gnade, um unseren Partnern zu geben.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Aber wenn du früh in einer Dating-Situation beginnst, einen Mann zu sehen, der bestimmte Verhältnisse oder Fähigkeiten zeigt, die dein Ex gemacht hat, und all das, was du mit ihm kommen kannst, sind Ausgaben für ihn.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Natürlich, glaube ich, aber es ist, wenn diese Dinge zu Beginn zeigen und man denkt, wow, dieser Typ ist ziemlich stressig am Arbeiten, aber er geht immer noch aus seinem Weg für mich. Ja. Und es ist, zu wissen, dass du das suchst. Weil, wiederum, das ist nur ein erster Zeichen, dass, wenn Dinge schwierig werden, wie ich sicher bin, du in deiner letzten Beziehung bemerkt hast,
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Sie werden sich zuerst vorstellen. Und sie werden ihre Gefühle von einer Situation verwandeln, sei es ihre Arbeit, sei es ihre Freunde, was auch immer, als Beweis dafür, dass sie nicht in der Beziehung auftauchen. Und das ist das, was Sie arbeiten müssen. Denn sie haben immer Ausgaben.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
And you want to be in a position where every once in a while you can forgive someone's selfishness because they really did go through it and they really did have a bad day as opposed to any little thing that fucks them up or that causes them stress, anxiety, doesn't completely cannibalize their ability to take care of anyone else but themselves in that moment.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Und das war dein Ex-Husband. Ich höre, du hast viel Erfolg gemacht. Du hast viele Dinge, die du stolz darauf hast. Du bist noch nicht fertig mit Heilung. Du hast noch einige Dinge zu tun. Und in der Zwischenzeit würde ich dich wirklich bitten, das Einzelne Leben zu verabschieden. Ich würde dich wirklich bitten, Dinge als unabhängige Frau zu tun. and go out of your way.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
It's not just sitting around and being comfortable with being alone. It's taking advantage of the fact that you are single and doing things that only a single woman can do and enjoy doing those things. And just leave the doors and windows open to the rooms that you want to fill and be open to meeting someone if someone shows up. But for the most part, meeting someone is not on your radar.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Okay, yeah, I mean, you're pretty young. Yeah, it seems crazy, but like five years from now, his sister will, you know, someone who's going to pop up in your memory photo book and you'll be like, oh, I wonder what she's doing. And it just, it's hard to It's hard to swallow that now.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
and maybe some time will go by and you can feel like pretty good and maybe you can be more intentional with dating but right now I think it's telling the friends that you're not looking to get set up you're not looking to be forced you know force someone on you you're just really just generally open but right now embracing being this independent woman and really seeing the value in that because I think that's where you haven't gotten that far you're just you're kind of okay with it but you haven't embraced it yeah I think I'm trying to act the part right now I'm trying to
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ich denke, du musst ein bisschen ein Fuckboy sein. Ich bin ein bisschen verrückt.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
I'm kind of kidding. I know. We are all drawn to drama, more than we all want to admit. We all like it. It's entertaining. It keeps us stimulated. I think you'll probably always have to maybe recognize that about yourself. But I just... I want to see you really embrace your independence. You haven't fully embraced it yet. You're trying to convince yourself to enjoy the independence.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
You have to fake it till you make it. You're just not there yet. Recognizing you're not there yet
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Weißt du, weil du, du, du, du machst den, glaube ich, normalen Fehler, den man oft macht, ist es wie, ich meine, du hast viele Gründe, dir sehr stolz zu sein, in Bezug auf die Art und Weise, wie du dich mit diesem Verabschiedenis beschäftigt hast, weißt du, aber du bist noch nicht da und du hast so viel Erfolg gemacht, dass du wahrscheinlich sagst, naja, ich sollte bereit sein und ich habe alles gemacht, weißt du, aber wie
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
You're talking about 20 years that you talked about reprogramming. Rome wasn't built in a day. What's the saying? I don't know. Even though it feels like I've been working on myself for a couple of years, well, it's 20 years of reprogramming. So it does take a little bit of time.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Also ja, ich denke, du musst dein Leben mit ein paar Wäldern leben, um dich in Ordnung zu halten. Ja. I know 40 is fucking you up a little bit, but you don't look 40. You got that going for you. Listen, at this stage in your life, you are as old as you kind of want to be and act. I'm sure you're familiar with a lot of people who are your age, who look every bit their age and then some.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ich meine, ich würde sagen, vielleicht nicht. Und ich denke, definitiv. Und ich denke, du musst versuchen, daran zu halten. Ich denke, du musst das beherrschen, weil es wahr ist. Ich bin jemand, der sehr viel glaubt. I don't think everything happens for a reason. I think for the most part, life is just dumb luck. And our choices matter. Our choices matter.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
And that is a scary, scary, scary thing to acknowledge or even believe in. Because that gives us so much control over our very short and insignificant life in the grand scheme of things. Yeah. Und du nimmst die Kontrolle. Und du hast recht. Du bist...
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
du hast diese Möglichkeit, weil du recht hast, die meisten Leute nicht, wie alle die Leute da draußen, die sind, und das sind die meisten von ihnen, die alle so sind, wie, weißt du, alles passiert für einen Grund, sind furchtbar, die Wahrnehmung ihres Lebens zu nehmen, und sie warten auf Gott oder die Fähigkeit oder die Sterne oder was auch immer sie glauben, um sie zu retten, wenn sie, was auch immer, wie Purgatory sie über ihr Leben akzeptieren.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ich könnte falsch sein, das ist nur meine Meinung, aber ich bin von der Meinung, dass diese Menschen leben werden, um es zu schmerzen. Und was sagen die Leute immer, wenn sie alt sind und was auch immer? Sie sagen immer, ich wünschte, ich hätte mehr Chancen genommen. Ich wünschte, ich hätte mehr Risiken genommen.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünsch
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
And most people, especially people who take care of themselves, who have the benefit of having privileges, who in your case have children and don't have to worry about the fear of not having children. The reality is that some people who desperately want to have children aren't lucky enough to be able to have children.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
And some of that is outside of their control, biology, and some of that is they made poor choices. And we don't like to realize that we've made poor choices because it doesn't do us any good, like sulking over a mistake we made. We have to pick ourselves up and move on, but sometimes we don't get second chances. And those are very hard mistakes to overcome.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
And you have the benefit of not really worrying about not having a second chance, the things that you want most in your life. Yeah. So I would really try to embrace that and really focus on the positives because I'm hearing a ton of positives.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
And it's normal to let those negative thoughts come in, but you have to just get better at changing the narratives in your head and really embrace this next chapter of your life because it could be really awesome. It really, really could. And you're going to look back Like truly happy, not trying to convince yourself you're happy.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Because right now, you're in that kind of, it's, you know, someone told me, you know, like right now I have a lot of exciting things happening in my life. And it doesn't personally feel like that for me. But I'm going through, sometimes growth causes pain. Trying new things, stretching, not accepting what you have. Those are awkward and difficult moments. You're going through some growing pains.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
And so everything that you're feeling is more growing pains, more than something's wrong. You gotta keep pushing forward.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
I would, I'm gonna push back a little bit in that You're still playing a part of that. And again, it's not fair. It's not fair. And that's the one thing you can allow yourself to acknowledge, that this is not fair. But then you just have to accept that it's not fair and not try to make it fair for you.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
But if you stay on this path, if you give yourself this grace and if you keep pushing forward, this period in your life and specifically your marriage, you'll look back and it'll be a funny story in a way. It will. Yeah.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Wenn es um meine vergangenen Beziehungen geht, viele von denen Trauma verursachen, nicht weil sie schlechte Leute waren, sondern weil wir einfach... Ich denke nicht wirklich über sie, aber wenn ich das tue, lache ich einfach. Und ich habe sicher keine Regretten, weil ich sehr glücklich bin, wo ich bin. Und alles hat mich zu diesem Moment geführt. Und ich glaube das.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ich glaube an den Butterfly-Effekt. Ich glaube, dass unsere Entscheidungen zählen. Und wir machen unsere Entscheidungen. Und Und diese Entscheidungen haben Konsequenzen. Und manchmal sind diese Konsequenzen gut. Und wir werden die Konsequenzen unserer Entscheidungen bis Jahre später nicht mehr realisieren.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Und wir werden nicht mehr realisieren, was die Entscheidungen waren, die wir gemacht haben, die tatsächlich zu der Sache geführt haben, die wir jetzt genießen. Und deshalb ist es immer wichtig, auf unsere Entscheidungen aufmerksam zu sein, besonders als wir älter werden, um diese heiligen Entscheidungen zu machen und diese heiligen Entscheidungen zu komponieren.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Because those can tend to lead to better things. You've heard me say, shavings make a pile. It's our choices. It's not just the outcomes, it's the choices we make. And we have to make small, consistent, positive choices to have consistent, positive things in our life. And you are used to making consistently bad choices and used to consistently deal with a negative thing.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
But once you get out of it and you look back, again, it's hard to see in the present. Ja. Aber du wirst wissen, wenn du völlig heilt bist, wenn du zurückblickst und wirklich hast, du fühlst dich generell indifferenziert über deinen Mann, Ex-Mann, außer dem Fakt, dass du nur froh bist, dass du die Kinder hast, die du hast.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Und wissend, dass es so verrückt war, dass sie Teil deines Lebens sein, was fast schockierend ist, weißt du, dass du deine Kinder hast. Ja, ja, das ist großartig. Okay. Just keep doing what you're doing. More than anything, you need some grace. You need to give yourself some grace.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
I appreciate it. Enjoy your birthday. Thank you so much. Bye-bye.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Because my question to you is, what I'm going to push back is, why does the timeline matter at this point?
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ja, ich kann mir das vorstellen, aber es ist seine Familie. Ja. Es hat genug schmerzhaft gewesen, dass ich mein ganzes Leben für Dinge außerhalb meines Kontrollen verletzt habe.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Aber dann die Person zu haben, mit der ich mir gedacht hätte, dass ich mich verheiratet habe, nicht nur, dass er sich nicht zuständig hält, sondern versucht, meine Reputation zu zerstören und diese sehr schmerzhafte und falsche Dinge über mich zu sagen, ist etwas, was ich mir einfach nie vorgestellt hätte. Und du kannst sagen, ich habe keine schwierigen Gefühle gegen dich, aber ich lüge nicht.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ich wünsche dir gut und ich Goodbye, you know, you could do that, you know, and make sure that like it comes across as very, you know, normal. I mean, I'm sure you've been hurt, but have you, when you reached out to her, did you call like manically or anything like that? Because like, if you're dealing with someone who's bipolar, I mean, it's intense.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ja, ja, ja, für sicher. Aber ja, ich meine, an der Stelle, ich meine, ich glaube nicht, das wäre der Ende der Welt. Und das wäre, du weißt, technisch unnötig, ein bisschen furchtbar. Aber, du weißt, das ist nicht Revenge-Porn. Er sagt, dass dieses Video existiert. Offensichtlich solltest du es nicht retten. Du solltest es wahrscheinlich, du solltest es entdecken, übrigens. Ja.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
You know, because like it's just not good to have for a variety of reasons. And it's just like it puts you in a vulnerable position for him to use that against you. So I would definitely delete it. But that message about him admitting that those videos exist and him threatening to sue you is to me, that sounds like an admission of guilt.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Okay, so you're still very much hurting, probably. Are you even on the path to healing? Are you still just in the hurting stage?
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ja, nein, hör mal, es tut weh, du weißt, du bist einfach, ich weiß nicht, wenn so etwas passiert, es ist einfach, du weißt, für mich, ich habe einfach, ich würde oft verletzt fühlen, du weißt, ich kann nicht glauben, dass das zu mir passiert ist, das ist irgendwie wie, es ist einfach in diesen Zeiten, in denen du mit dem, um eine schlechte Situation zu machen, dich zu beschweren, es fühlt sich unfair an, aber du wirst es durchgehen, und ich weiß, dass das so, du weißt, das ist wahrscheinlich das letzte, was du hören willst, aber ich weiß, du weißt das, aber danke Gott, du weißt es jetzt.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
A lot. So much easier. It really could have been so much worse. After you have a kid. It's a real blessing. But I'm really sorry you're going through this.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Are you talking to anyone? Therapy? Are you surrounding yourself with friends and family?
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Ja, das ist gut. Der beste Revenge, und wiederum, das wird kliché klingen, und die Leute haben das gesagt, aber es ist wirklich, dass man gut lebt, weißt du, weil die Wahrheit ist, dass er klar etwas ist, was los ist, und er wird, er spiralt, und für ihn, um diesen Art von Lüge zu machen, ist er, weiter zu spiralen, und er, nicht die Realität zu befinden,
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
von seinem Leben und seiner Situation und dem Fakt, dass er getroffen wurde, oder was das bedeutet. Ich meine, Scheiße, er sendet Videos individuell zu seinem alten Freund und seiner Frau. Ich meine, das klingt wie eine sehr kinky, seltsame Situation. Und er fühlt wahrscheinlich viel Scham und Enttäuschung, weil er getroffen wird. Und er ist sehr nervös darüber, wie die Welt herausfindet.
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E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating
Das ist ein bisschen tiefer, als er einfach... googling some only fans model and and writing her and like sending her videos this is like this is a little deeper than that and he's feeling a lot of embarrassment and shame which is i'm just a guess where this like reaction is coming from you know it's fight or flight and he's fighting
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E846 Ask Nick - Religious Gossip
What do you mean by you'd be dead? Is he going to kill you?
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
As far as the things that just need to get done because you want to live in a clean house and bills need to get paid, and just because he's kind of a lazy, sloppy person, you don't want to have to live in that environment even though you agreed to live with him. I would say you just re-sign your new lease.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Listen, it doesn't sound like you have any real intentions of wanting to break up with him, and I'm guessing that's not really on your decision tree at the moment. So let's assume you continue to stay with this guy. If your lease is up in February and it hasn't gotten better, then you absolutely should not continue to live together. That would be a bare minimum.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
If you really wanted to rattle him, I would kick him out. I would replace him and find a roommate. I mean, my point is, you are going to have to do something drastic. It sounds like because reason and asking and pleading and even begging hasn't changed anything. All he does is say sorry and he'll try better.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
But I'm assuming at this point, it must feel insulting for him to keep apologizing and saying he's sorry and feeling bad while simultaneously not doing anything. It's not that hard to do a dish. It's just not that hard. And he doesn't have to do dishes.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
I'm guessing if all he did was find two or three things that he took ownership of and helped around the house and went out of his way to say, how can I help? It would change everything drastically. And that is truly bare minimum shit. And he's not even willing to do bare minimum shit.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Again, you're still trying to parent him. That's what a parent would do with a child, right? And the only thing that's different between you and a parent is you can't punish him. You can't tell him to go in the corner or sit in his room or whatever. But you gotta stop being his mom. And you're still being his mom. And it shouldn't be that hard to ask your partner to do some basic shit.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
And I get it. He's a nice guy. He's nice to his niece. But I've never heard a therapist or a relationship expert say, just make sure they're nice to their nieces.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
you know like obviously if he was a dick to his nieces fine but like you know some uncles aren't as like you know they're just like yeah I got nieces they're nice I wish them well on their birthday I don't think I'm ever gonna win uncle of the year I've never been like Mr. like you know take my nieces to a place you know I don't know I just I haven't you know I think I'm nice but I'm not like Mr. outgoing uncle you know
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Um, but I tell you what, when it comes to my house, I, I participate. I'm a partner. I, we do things together. Sometimes we do them literally together. Sometimes we divide and conquer, but we raise our daughter together. We, we, we take care of our house together. Like we both feel like we do our part because we, we do, we both do our part, you know, and that, that is such a big deal. Yeah.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
when it comes to a marriage or living, you know, as you now know, living, you know, you know, living together, it's been magnified that much more, you know, you can date a mama's boy or someone whose parents do everything for him and just be boyfriend and girlfriend with each other and get away with it. But I mean, this is a big deal, you know?
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
And like, I guess my, my advice is you're going to have to do something drastic. Most likely.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Uh, you might have to break up with them. You might have to tell them that like, you're not changing and I don't want to live like this and I love you and I don't want to break up with you. I need you to move out.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
I mean, honestly, if I were you, I would, I would maybe tease, you know, I don't know. You need to be at least somewhat serious, you know, but do you have someone who could replace him?
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
No, like a girlfriend or, yeah, like a roommate.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Okay. Cause like if, yeah, you need, I think if I were you, I mean that the, the, the, the path of least resistance is to semi seriously tell him that you want him to move out.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
And this person that you're thinking of, or maybe people, are you in a position to maybe go to them and say, would you be open to this if it came to that? Like, is that something you'd want to do without them, you know, getting their hopes up in case, you know, a boyfriend changes his ways? Are you willing to do that?
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Yeah. You know, we know that you don't want to obviously, right. You want him to help out. You want him to participate, but he's not going to, he hasn't, he's shown you an unwillingness to change. So that's kind of what I'm saying. You're, you're past the hope point, right? You've tried the hope. You've tried the communication. You've tried the asking.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
You've, you've talked to his sister, you know, you've done that. Like hope hasn't worked, you know?
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
He, he doesn't give a shit or he doesn't care. You know, he doesn't care. His actions say, I don't need to change because at the end of the day, she'll end up doing it anyways. Yes. And I would rather have her nag at me than do dishes.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Yeah. So, and I'm sorry you're going through this, but it's, it's not going to get any better. He's not going to grow out of it. And if you have kids with this man, it will only get worse.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
And I've talked to a lot of, I've talked to a lot of women who feel very stuck in marriages with deadbeat partners who just like don't care enough to help.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
So in addition to not doing dishes, he doesn't do anything other than maybe take the garbage out when you ask?
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
I mean, like the fact that he can't take out the garbage. He will watch it be full. He can't even lean into toxic masculinity to be like, I should take all the garbage. He'll just sit there and watch it pile on and pile on and just wait for his girlfriend slash maid to do it for him.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
And that's the thing. Yeah. Resentment is already, you know, kind of seeped into the relationship. Yeah. And the bummer part is, is that he seems to be more likely to just start resenting you than change. Because, you know, the reality is if your sister is right, it is very hard to change your ways after being catered to for your entire life. And yeah, he doesn't clearly doesn't want to change.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
So now you're just going to come across as a nag and he's going to resent you. And yeah, you know, like at this point, is he even if he's he is he doing it because he wants to participate in the relationship or is he doing it just because he just wants you to shut up and have you touch his dick?
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Like, when are you doing the laundry and doing, when you're doing all these things, what's he doing?
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
And have you said anything in that moment being like, can you help?
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Well, okay. Let me ask you this. What if you only had two choices? You could obviously leave the relationship or you could marry him. He will be the nice, loving, caring, good uncle that he is. But when it comes to helping you around the house or being a parent, you will almost always have to ask. But if you ask, he will generally mostly
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
No, but, you know, she definitely has to. You know, we ask each other to do things from time to time, you know, for sure. And I think she definitely asks me every day for some kind of help. But I'm also often doing things on my own.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Is that an engagement ring on your finger? Are you engaged?
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
And you'll have to figure out what are you comfortable with. But you have to consider the fact that you guys aren't as compatible as you wish.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
You know, I'll tell you an anecdotal story. When I was on The Bachelorette, it really irritated me. Granted, it's Bachelorelle, and there's a lot of group dates and interrupting and things like that. And when the lead's on a date, all the people sitting around the house will have the man chats, the girl chats, and the producers will ask them questions and stuff.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Comment question was always, so do you think Joe's gonna come back today or something? Do you think Joe's gonna get a rose or do you think he's gonna get sent home or whatever? And it always would annoy me when my peers would be like, oh yeah, Joe's such a good dude, man. Of course he's gonna come back. And I'm like, who gives a fuck if he's a good dude? This isn't the good dude competition.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Okay. Gotcha. Do you want to marry this guy?
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
This is like, who has a better connection? Who's more compatible? Who does she like the most? It's not about being a good guy. I'm glad he's a good guy. And I'm glad that Joe, whoever Joe was, was a good guy or whatever. You know what I'm saying?
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
But when it comes to relationships, if all you can say about why you two are together or why you two work and why you love him or choose him above anyone else in this world, if he's like, because he's a good guy and he's nice to his nieces, Like maybe he's not your guy, you know, you seem like a bit type a, you like things done a certain way. That's fine.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
But you are dating the literal opposite of you, you know, like, you know, it's like, huh?
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
So to him, maybe you are just a nag. I don't know. Maybe to him, he needs someone who's a little more chill. Maybe he needs someone who's a little more comfortable letting some clothes pile up for a day or two because eventually he'll get to it. Maybe he needs someone who's like, I'm just never going to think to do this shit. But if you ask me, I guess I'll get up because...
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
whatever, but you don't want that. It's frustrating for you. You resent that person. Something's got to give, right? And the big question is, can you, can he, can both of you a little bit, or do you just guys decide that despite both being good people, maybe you're not each other's person?
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
I mean, I'm just throwing out options, you know, I'm just, I'm only, I'm only saying what I'm saying based on what I'm getting from you.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
And I mean, listen, you don't have to, you don't have to sell me, you know, like now and I, you know, we're busy people. We, you know, we're, we're not big, like we don't grocery shop for the week, you know, we're surrounded by grocery stores. Most nights when I come home from work, I call her up and be like, what do you, you know, what should I pick up for dinner? And I'll stop at a grocery store.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
I'll get the ingredients for whatever I'm going to make. I, I cook dinner and, you know, I don't know. I, I usually clean the kitchen. She's,
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
usually giving river a bath she's usually the one like doing all the laundry she's usually the one like i don't know i have vacuumed i don't know no times in 2025 and it's not true and once or twice but you know what i'm saying like we just it fits but like it sounds like the idea that he would call you up and say hey babe What can I pick us up for dinner? When does that ever happen?
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Yeah. Well, why, why do you want to, why do you want to, why do you, why would you want to marry him?
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
I mean, I'm not even talking about cooking. I'm talking about, does he even get offered to like get the groceries or stop at the store or, or run an errand for you?
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Once a week, if he cooked you a nice steak, I'm sure you'd really appreciate that.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
You have to remind yourself that you're not happy. I know that's a weird thing to say, but you're pretending this is, you're not happy. You're miserable. You're at the point of resentment. And I only say that because it's just like, you have to make a decision because this, you're not happy. So why are you continuing a life that makes you so unhappy? Something needs to change.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
You need to drastically change something or shake it up or something. You need to try to get through this person. And that's the thing, though, in your predicament is that people almost never change for anyone else. And when they do, it's always very temporary.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
So even if you broke up with him or made him kicked out, whatever changes he would make in the short term would be almost impossible to trust because it would be doing it just because you scared the shit out of him and he's trying to get back together with you or yada, yada, yada.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
And so your predicament is how will you ever trust that after 26 years of being taught how to do one thing, how can you trust that he is actually committed to wanting to change? I honestly fear that it's a compatibility issue because it's just more likely that you're better off finding someone you're a little bit more compatible with. And then maybe that's it.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
I think maybe the most realistic, drastic thing you can do is to sit him down and say, I don't know if we're compatible. I don't know. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
That's a great question. I don't know why either. And if you would have said, Hey, like my, why am I, why does my boyfriend not want to do dishes? And then I was like, well, what, what, what does he do? And he's like, well, you know, he doesn't do dishes, but you know, he always cleans the bathrooms. He empties out the garbage. Like he mows the lawn. He just doesn't want to do dishes.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
And I would probably be like, okay, well, Now he doesn't do dishes and I don't do laundry, you know, like, you know, and we've been able to find the things that like we like or dislike or hate. And thankfully for us, there's a lot of compatibility in the things that we can make up for each other.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
But you say a lot of you say a lot of like generally nice things about your boyfriend and like he's a good person and he's nice to his nieces and like you work well together at your job, which is like. that's your job kind of to work well together. And it doesn't sound like you guys actually work together to get, you know, but you're also being paid for this. It's like your job where.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Gotcha. Uh, what is different about this particular guy and like, and what, I don't mean the guy himself. I mean this situation, like, is this the first time you've had like a, you hooked up with a guy on the first night?
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
okay compared to what and that was kind of more like what specifically so like you know what I'm saying like you met him at a party you guys hooked up that night you've done that before okay but what following that that hookup felt differently specifically I think like he he was he was doing more gentleman like things for me okay like
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Is that what he meant? Protect himself against him from him?
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Yeah. I mean, so like, why are you having such a hard time getting over this guy?
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Because your friend said he's a good guy and he.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Get a couple of chivalrous things for you. How many times you guys hook up?
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Yeah. Well, I mean, listen, like, I guess, what can I help you with? It's like, he's not even talking to you, right? So, like, what were you hoping to get out of this call? And, like, you know, how did you feel starting the call? And how were you hoping to feel by the time the call was ending?
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Well, I mean, he basically has told you to stop, and he hasn't called you at all. So it's borderlining on being creepy by suggesting that you're not going to give up on him.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
No, I get that. But mentally, you're still talking like there's something to hold on to.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Because I mean, I don't doubt that if you met him out and about at the right time and the right day of the week that it could lead to you guys rekindling. I don't think that's going to be in the way that you hope. It might mean just sex.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Even the good guys are still guys, you know.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
And guys, well, I mean, guys, how old is he?
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Yeah, it makes sense. But I guess my question to you is, what do you think? You know your boyfriend. I don't, right? I don't know this man. Never met him. Don't know what he looks like. Don't know his name. Know nothing about him other than what you've told me. And so you're the one who believes in him. You know him.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Guys in their early 30s, 20s, whatever, they'll often say yes to sex if sex says on the table. And it's a lot easier for men to disconnect from sex and not feel any type of emotions connected to sex. And they can still be generally a good guy. And it's like the difference between him and he's a little more thoughtful and a little more considerate than maybe the average fuckboy.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
And I'm sure he is a good guy, and maybe he'll be a great guy to the person he really wants to be in a relationship with. But he's giving you all the signs he doesn't want to be in a relationship with you. And he thought sex was pretty good with you, enough to want to do it again. And then as soon as you started elevating how you felt about him, he immediately started distancing himself from you.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Which means that all he really wanted from you was sex. And he thought you were nice, nice enough, a cool enough hang. But ultimately, hearing how you felt about him made it very clear to him how he felt about you or didn't feel about you.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Like this particular scenario. One hundred percent. Yes. He is not too busy for work and he is not. It might be true.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
that right now if given the choice having a girlfriend is not on his top priority list but what is true that as he met the right person he would absolutely be in a relationship with her assuming that eventually he wants to settle down and have kids so yeah this guy would if he wanted to
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Yeah, well, there you go. So he's not even someone who's sure what he wants. And despite him being a nice guy, what do you want? Do you want to have kids or settle down, get married? What are your relationship goals?
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
So him telling you, I mean, again, like maybe it's a line, but it's also probably true. I mean, it's probably true that right now he is unsure about what he wants for himself as it relates to a family. And you're not even like listening to that. You're just like, oh, he opened the door for me.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
So why do you think, despite him being this great, wonderful person that you want to marry, why do you think he comes across like such an ass as it relates to this particular topic? Because what you're telling me is that despite... you know, all these things that you do around the house that not only does he, is he not willing to help? He doesn't really pay attention to what you do.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
How quickly are you usually hooking up with the people you're going on dates with?
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Okay, well, these men that you refer to, these other bad men that you usually go after, who are these men and where do they fit in?
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
I mean, you're 29. What have you been doing for the past five years?
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
You haven't dated at all? You've been just traveling and having the occasional like travel hookup buddy?
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Okay. Well, I don't know. Maybe you just need more practice dating. Maybe you just haven't gotten out there enough. You know, maybe most of your adult life has you, like, as you've just described was, you know, college, whatever, you know.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
your thing in college but post-college you've been traveling which is cool and exciting and doing a lot of independent things which is cool and exciting and you've had some fun casual sex which can be cool and exciting and you've been able to disconnect from that sex in a way that a lot of men are able to do and that's truly like you know again like i always say if you're gonna i don't man woman whatever you want to participate in culture great go nuts like sex positivity have have your fun but be honest with yourself about
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
your ability or inability to disconnect emotionally from sex, because that's all it is going to be if you don't have emotional connection. And it takes months at a minimum to have any type of emotional connection with someone. So, yeah, you know, maybe you need to kind of get out, you know, and so I don't know what I'm hearing is you met this guy, kind of went on a couple of dates.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
You hadn't really ever done that much before.
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in your adult life and it felt you know right it felt good it felt like it you know like you said like it should but you know you didn't really have much to go on you know and so maybe you need to get out there and experience more dates and some bad dates and some good dates and you need to meet other nice people who aren't your people so that you know nice doesn't become your only barometer you know right
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
And it's also just as a note, I think people need to start separating hookup culture and dating culture. And the problem with dating culture is that people don't know the difference between hookup culture and dating culture. And dating culture is a lot more difficult when it starts with sex.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
It just is. Doesn't make it impossible. Just makes it more difficult. It makes it more complicated. And so, you know, maybe you, when you are dating, you focus on dating and you, you know, hold, hold out, hold out the sex, you know? And if, you know, when you're traveling and you're doing your thing and it's just like, Hey, I want to have a good time with a sexy man and a cool place.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
And like, you know, not going to fall in love because they live across the world, then do your thing. But when you're going on dates with people who live in your area and you're going on a date with thinking, I don't know, who knows what could happen, but maybe I'll like this guy. And maybe if I like this guy, maybe we could be something.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Uh, maybe he thanks you. I don't know, but he, it's like, it'd be one thing, you know, it would be, I think it would already be bad enough if you were doing everything and he just kind of like took it for granted, didn't thank you and just kind of like enjoy the benefits of everything you do around the house. Um,
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And I like what I know so far, which is very little, mostly based off their bio or whatever, or maybe you met him in person and You thought they made a good impression, you know, like if that's the type of date you're going on, maybe despite how great the date is or how much chemistry you might feel, maybe you hold off and build that anticipation while you two get to know each other, you know?
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I mean, how hard are you trying? I don't know. Because you make it seem like when you've traveled, you know, you've had the occasional fun hookup.
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I mean, listen, like I think sometimes we have unrealistic expectations and I get it, you know, it's very easy to become impatient with our love lives and dating lives, but it doesn't sound like You actually have a hard time meeting people. It sounds like maybe you're not meeting, you haven't found your person as a 29-year-old.
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It sounds like maybe overall that there's a general frustration or a little bit of an anxiety about like, when am I going to meet that person? At the same time, you also have to recognize the lifestyle you've been living, you know, is one of more independence and adventure, which I think you will be very great, older you will be very grateful for younger you for having that fun. Yeah.
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But also you have to recognize that you've made those choices and own those choices.
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And maybe that like you had, you were making different decisions as a 24 year old woman than maybe say someone who was like dead set on like finding a husband and being a mom, you know, no, neither right or wrong, you know, but now that you're 29, maybe you're a little more intentional about dating, you know, maybe you like want to, you know, maybe like the travel hookups have just like, you know, it was fun, but like, I don't, you know, how many more of those can I do?
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Maybe you just need to have a little patience. Put yourself out there. Try new things. Go on dates with people that you're not obsessed with before you even get to know them. Try it out. You're going to have to be patient, but don't waste your time on people who make it very clear that they're not interested in moving forward.
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Well, because you had sex most likely. I mean, sex for men is, yeah, I mean, it keeps them interested. And I don't, not sex, but the thought of having sex. But once men have sex with people they barely know, whether they realize it or not, like it just kind of takes, they better just be obsessed with having sex with you.
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and never really acknowledging it but you're like hey i want i need help you're begging you're you're begging this man it sounds like and you're nodding yes you know and like he doesn't give a shit so like what does he not so what else does he not give a shit about like you know what i'm saying like yeah we we have to i'm not saying he's horrible i'm not saying you should break up with him but like you've heard me talk about the three b's yeah
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And even then, when you start pulling out like, hey, what are we and what are we, you know, I like you. And he's just like on the fence about it. And if he's already had sex with you a couple of times, he's just going to be like, I'm good. I doubt he's thinking consciously, I know what it's like to have sex with her and I don't care anymore and I'm good.
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He's just like, he just doesn't think he likes you enough. You know, he's not that curious about you anymore. You know, you need curiosity to stay interested. You know, he did things that were new for you, right? You had dated, it sounds like you, you know, by your own admission, you've dated these shitty men or whatever, or also like maybe you just weren't dating all that much.
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You were traveling and, you know, being Miss Independent, which is great. And now you've decided, all right, I want to date more intentionally now for the sake of maybe finding a person. Right. So you meet this guy. He's pretty nice. It's a little different. He's opening doors. And for you, that sparked your curiosity. And that was enough for you to say, oh, I'd like to learn more, you know.
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And I think women, when it comes to sex, typically, not always, will be bonded to the people they have sex with for no other reason than that they had sex. And you will feel a pull and connection to this person you had sex with without even being able to explain it. Where men on the other side are like, yeah, I don't know. I kind of need you to give me like 30 minutes.
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I don't honestly even want you around me right now because their body chemistry is telling him a different thing, you know? And there was nothing that made him curious about you to want to learn more.
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And that's, again, that's not to, that's not a reflection on you or not to make you feel bad. You know, it's just like, that's human. I don't know. There's a lot of people who are not interested in get to know me more and vice versa. Like, and they might've thought I was a nice guy. They might even thought I was attractive.
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I don't know, but maybe my quirky, aloof, kind of very unique personality wasn't the right fit for them. And I wasn't their cup of tea. I was fine. I was nice. I was a cool hang. Maybe they even enjoyed some of my bed skills. But at the end of the day, maybe I just wasn't their guy. You're not for everyone. You're not supposed to be. And not everyone's for you.
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That's where you have to get your ego out of all this.
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Sure. A little bit of that. Yeah, there's a little bit of that. There's probably a little bit of like you having sex with this guy a few times and that that that made you feel connected to him more than it made him feel connected to you. He also, again, did some things that were new to you and you enjoyed the newness and it intrigued you. And he didn't get the same feeling.
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And again, you're also looking for maybe a boyfriend. He's also not looking for a girlfriend. There was a lot of things that played into why this didn't work out. What you need to have happen is have it not just fuck you up or have you just become obsessed in a way with this guy and just chalk it up to be like, yeah, just not my guy.
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As opposed to like not listening to him and accepting his answer and just taking it for what it is, is like, I don't know, he's just not that into you.
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Yeah. And just remember when it comes to you dating, it's a lot easier to make clear decisions when sex isn't involved, at least before you really know who they are. And again, I'm not here to tell you who you shouldn't have sex with or how fast you should have sex.
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I just want you and anyone listening just to be honest, just respect what sex is and be honest with yourself about what you want to get out of that relationship or that interaction. And just be honest with yourself about how sex is going to change that dynamic because it always does. And then, you know, just make a decision.
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But yeah, I get the impression from you that hookup culture and dating culture, there's really been no difference for you, right? And a lot of what you've done in your 20s is more participate in hookup culture, which again, older you is going to be very appreciative of that, right? I'm very grateful, you know, for all the wondering when am I going to meet my person?
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And so the broom, this is all under the broom. He's a zero contributor in terms of what you're saying on one of the Bs. There's three pillars that in relationships, people have to have some kind of understanding. It doesn't necessarily have to be fair or equal, but there needs to be an understanding. You need to be on the same page somehow, right? Doesn't matter what everyone's different.
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And if you would have told 25 year old me that I wasn't going to meet my person until I was 40, I would have panicked, you know? But now that I'm in the position that I'm in, I am not like wishing I was out at the clubs. I'm not wondering what I gave up. I had a lot of fun. I got to do all the things I wanted to do. I have no regrets.
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I still am in a relationship where I do a lot of cool and exciting things. So be glad that you've lived this life. Be thankful for it. And now that you are, it's, you know, you're kind of, it almost sounds like you're in a transitional period from, you dating more for fun and excitement and for sex.
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And now you're, you know, you're getting older, you're approaching 30 and now you want to make some changes in your life. So I think maybe slow down a little bit, take it easy on yourself, be a little patient and just be mindful of your choices.
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Wow. Welcome to the club. You know, it's part of life.
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There you go. All right. Well, hopefully this was helpful. I think you, you know, you need to let this, it's getting weird for you to like, keep talking about him and not accepting it.
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to chat with you all right well go forth and prosper and uh just be patient your podcast is great i appreciate it your podcast is great i'm listening to it thank you very much i appreciate it and uh good luck with love take it easy on yourself it sounds like you're doing just fine this guy fucked you up a little bit yeah yeah i'm good though i got my girls if anything well then that's great but also like you have to put you have to be willing to get hurt to find love
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You'll live. It's fine. Honestly, it can be fun. What's the point of life without feeling? I don't know. I'm being serious, though. Pain is a part of life. And I'm not saying go seek out pain, but... When you look back, I don't know, you're 29 years old. Think about your, I imagine some of your most memorable experiences the past nine years were included adversity of some kind.
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And some of your best moments reflecting back is how you overcame that adversity.
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And those become memorable stories. They become things that we, you know, connect with, but you have to go through the fire to be able to reflect back and think about how you got through the fire. Right.
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So like, I'm not saying going out there and fuck yourself up and go put yourself in situations that will hurt you, but don't avoid living your life, you know, knowing that like that might cause you some pain by putting yourself out there and being vulnerable because that is, that is life.
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I get it. But you know how to take risks. You travel like you worked to travel, you know, you know, and you tell me, did you not face any adversity over the past nine years?
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Relationships are different. We're not here to tell people how it should be, but you need to feel on the same page with your partner and you are in left fucking field and he's not even, he's not even there. He's not even showing up and you're begging and you're asking and he's like, he's not giving a shit. Why do you think that is?
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I mean, yeah, I'm sure you made some, you know, but overall, would you, you know, so then your contract.
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I feel like I'm wiser. You're contradicting yourself by saying that you would rather not know. I know. And that's fine. Listen, you're only 29, but some of that is perspective and maturity. And hopefully, I don't know, I hope most 29-year-olds think they have more maturing. I hope I have more maturing to do.
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And part of becoming more mature is not having that too afraid to live your life mentality. So, all right? Okay. Go live your life. Go make some bad decisions. Have some fun. You'll be okay. Okay. All right. Thanks so much. All right. Bye-bye.
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Well, I don't know if the second part is possible, but what are some of the boundaries you're trying to set with her?
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So he doesn't make a great first impression. Sounds like maybe.
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Okay. I think that's your problem. What I mean by that is, bear with me here, but you called in and your headline was, I need help setting boundaries with my mom.
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Then you told a little bit of your story, a little background, your boyfriend. Then I asked, what is your... goal with your mom. And your goal was, I basically want my mom to change. I want my mom to see the world a little differently. I want her to be more empathetic. I want her to agree with me. I'm paraphrasing what you said.
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But listen, that's a very different goal than just simply setting a boundary with your mom. And that's why I think you're having such a hard time setting a boundary with your mom because that's not really your goal. You said you're a therapist. You went to school for therapy. You're yeah. Right. So, you know that. Right. You don't need me telling that.
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But obviously, you're emotionally connected to the situation. And so you're having a harder time to see it clearly. But it's just much harder. You know, like I'm not saying it's impossible, but that's why you're struggling because you're saying it is like, oh, I just want my mom to respect my boundaries.
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And what you're really saying is I want my mom to kind of like evolve and grow and maybe recognize that, you know, maybe she's older and has more lived experience than me, but I need her to recognize that maybe I know a little bit too. And I've gone to school and I studied mental health and maybe she's not always right. And I would like her to recognize that.
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And I would like her to give my boyfriend more of a benefit of the doubt. And I'd like, you know, you know what I'm saying? That's what I'm really hearing from you.
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I don't know if you can get her to do that. That might be her journey, so to speak. I think you need to be okay with not getting what you want from your mom for a period of time and being okay with that and allowing your mom to change on her own if she is willing, right?
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And I think that's the disconnect that you're having that I think a lot of people have in the kind of the parent-child relationship. You're 25 years old. You've been an adult for seven years. So seven out of your 25 years, you've been an adult. And of those 18 of those years, your mom was in charge of you. She was your parent. She was your legal guardian.
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She was legally allowed to tell you what to do. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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OK, fair enough. You're probably right. But how how are you going to change it?
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Despite what you want, do you think it's realistic to pursue a lifetime with this person if you can't get through to him?
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You know, I've made bad choices. I've made wrong choices. I've had to learn from some of my choices. But in general, I've always felt confident about my choices. You know, I've had to have, again, the humility to learn sometimes. But yeah, there's something in you. right? That's for whatever reason needs the approval from not only mom, but other family members.
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And I've, you know, I've always, I've always been someone who's just like, you know, I, I love validation and I've, I found different ways to get it right. But I've always been pretty confident in my choices. I think them through. I'm, I've never been, um, that impulsive and I'm good at learning from my mistakes. So like, you know, I've always just been confident in my choices.
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So at times when I've done things that other people wouldn't have given me that advice, I still owned my choices. I mean, I told this story recently, but one of the few of my friends whose opinions I care about
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I'm telling you. That wasn't a question. I'm saying you have a child. He lives at home with you. Yeah.
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who knew me and Natalie and they ended up marrying us by the way when I was like on the fence about like dating someone a lot younger than me and and I was just like I you know and Natalie was like really kind of done with the bullshit and and us like just not being a boyfriend and girlfriend I called them up and I was like really thinking about doing this and they were like we love her we think she's great but we don't think you should and I took their advice I listened to their advice I was disappointed in their advice because their advice mattered to me
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It wasn't the answer I wanted to hear. I thought about it. And then ultimately, I didn't take their advice. And in that moment, I didn't take their advice. I just had to be confident in my choice. I didn't know if I was going to be right or wrong. I made a decision based on the fact that like, listen, if it doesn't work out, it won't work out. But like, I'm going to try this thing.
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And I didn't call up my friends. And that's the difference between you and I right now. I didn't call up my friends and say, hey, listen, I disagree with you. And here's why I'm going to make this choice. And do you agree with me now? I didn't need their approval. You know what I'm saying? I got their opinion. I asked for it. They gave me an honest answer. It's not what I wanted.
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And I went a different way. And I was comfortable with that choice. You... You want to go back to that person and say, and then convince them to agree with you so that you can feel better about that decision you're making. You get what I'm saying? Yeah. Does that sound accurate?
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And if you're right, you've replaced his mom. But you're right. If you guys have a kid together, I wouldn't expect that to change anything.
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And that's a you problem, right? That's something you need to work on. And that's something you can work on. And that's something you can control because you can't control mom. And mom's got to work on herself. And the moment you fix that, that's when your mom will come back. She will. But your brother and your family member and especially your mom... Know that you really need their approval.
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And that's why they're so willing to give it. And that's why it sometimes feels a little manipulative on their part. And honestly, it probably is. But when we know that we can influence someone, we usually try.
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Yeah. Do you feel good about the man you're dating?
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Great. Why do you need anyone else's approval?
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And when your brother or anyone else says this thing that, you know, just be like, listen, you take care of you. I'll take care of me. I love you. I re listen, I respect your opinion, but respecting your opinion doesn't mean I'm always going to take your advice. You know, my friends also didn't get mad at me.
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And then, you know, like people have to understand is when you ask, like they, people should be flattered when anyone comes to them and says, Hey, can I ask your opinion? Because honestly, I'm not interested in most people's opinions because I think most people are stupid. Um, But just because I ask your opinion doesn't mean I'm going to take your advice. It just means I respect you enough to ask.
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When we had River... My mother-in-law, it's been a while since she had kids of her own. River was her first grandchild. I didn't think much of it. But in the first week of River's existence and she was staying with us, she was like, I've never...
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Maybe. But it still comes down to you owning your choices and not needing their approval. And whatever you say, I promise you will have less of an impact than your actions. Because right now you saying it will still try to sound like you're convincing them to trust your opinions and trust your decisions for yourself. Again, that's the thing.
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The more confident you are in your choices, the less people will bother you. I have always demonstrated a confidence level that, you know, my parents always been like, well, you know, listen, you're, You know, my parents have always thought of me as someone who like generally makes sound decisions. They never really tried to change my mind because they're like, yeah, he seems confident.
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He knows what he's doing. And you're not making any, you're not making crazy decisions. Right. You know, it's not like you brought home this problematic man who's just like full of red flags. They're like nitpicking because they can.
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And you get rattled every time they pick and you being rattled is their green light to keep going.
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Well, if you still want to raise your mom, just be like, hey, mom, you're welcome to come. When you're here, just know that like you're at my place and like you don't have to approve of him and you don't have to even like it. You have to be respectful because you're in my house.
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You know, but maybe also don't even say anything. Maybe let your mom come, see how she acts. If your mom acts up in a way that you find to be disrespectful to either either you or your boyfriend, I wouldn't like create a scene while he's there because that just makes everyone uncomfortable.
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Uh, but after she leaves, you can say, Hey, I really did not appreciate blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm not going to invite you back anymore until I feel more respected in what you can say to your mom. If you have to say anything at all. And here's the big difference.
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Cause right now you're like, mom, I want to talk to you about how I want you to be around me so I can be, it's just mom, you're negotiating with her. Don't do that. You're like, mom, you know, this is where you set the boundary. You don't get to treat me that way. You know, like I'm an adult person. I'm, I'm happy with my choices. I don't need you to be happy with my choices.
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I do miss our relationship and I miss my friend, but things have changed. You know, I'm an adult and I no longer care. need your permission or approval to make decisions for myself. I'm okay with that. And I still want to be able to ask your advice, mom, because I do respect you. And more than anyone, you're the person's advice I care about the most, but I don't always have to take your advice.
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I've never, you know, I'm not here and I'm not saying this to pat myself on the back, but she's like, I've never seen a man so involved with like helping out with the baby. And I'm only saying that not to pat myself on the back. I'm just saying like, there's a lot of guys out there who don't help that don't participate.
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And when I don't take your advice, you need to be okay with that because I know I am, and I'm just not going to hear it. And if you keep acting this way around me and my boyfriend, the only thing that's going to happen is we're going to lose our relationship, and we're going to be less close. And that's up to you, mom, because I hate that we've gotten this far, but the choice is yours.
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And that's you setting that boundary and communicating exactly what will happen if your mom doesn't respect that boundary and then you simply need to follow through. But there's a big difference between that and then pleading with her and saying, please do this, or I need you to come around and please like him and please be nice to my boyfriend. You don't need your mom to do any of those things.
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All right. Well, good luck. Yeah. It's a, you're the best, the best news. I think the big takeaway is this, is that the thing that needs to change for you to get what you want is the things that you actually can control. And that, and that comes from inside of you. Yeah. And the other stuff will all fall in line.
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Once you're able to work on that, needing certain people in your life's approval, just walk through your choices. Why am I making this decision? What have I, if I consider the pros and the cons and, Yeah, I could be wrong, but if I'm wrong, will I still feel good about why I made this decision? Yes, great. Then I don't need anyone else's approval.
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And you need to be good at asking people's opinions without having to take their opinion.
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All right. Well, good luck. Take care. Keep us posted how things go with mom. We'd love an update regardless of how things progress.
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And for whatever the reason, whether it's some sort of like misogyny, sexism, or maybe their mom just always took care of them. And it's not the norm, right? Or certainly it's not something that you can just expect. And so the fact that you are dating someone right now who is showing you these clear signs of just like this incapability of doing his part In the relationship. And that's his part.
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Him being so bad at this is him choosing not to participate in an aspect of your relationship. I doubt that you like doing dishes and laundry and paying bills. It's not like, oh, this is fun. I enjoy doing it. You're an adult. You know it needs to get done.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
you have familiar with you know taking care of yourself and not having mommy or daddy doing it in part like you know so like have you ever considered not paying his side of things i mean i don't know how that affects you with rent or you know things like that yeah yeah obviously we you know he's pretty good about like you know he venmo's me his half and whatever like everything is split
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Pretty 50-50. So half the time you say no to him, he'll reach out to his mom?
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
How old is your boyfriend? 26. I mean, you know, like, I don't, you know, what's your breaking point?
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
What seems, I mean, the difference between an ultimatum of I need you to propose to me or we need to move in together, you know, versus a quote unquote ultimatum about him participating in your relationship.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Next February. Okay. Are you talking about engagement at all or not?
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
In what context? Are you still talking about it? I guess my question is, you have this issue right now when it comes to his lack of participation in helping you out. Sometimes people will identify this problem and say, all right, well, this is a huge problem. I can't marry someone who would be like this, I hope that you won't continue to stay like this. We need to have this change.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
And then I guess once this change, I can reevaluate our potential in terms of spending a life together.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
That doesn't usually happen though. What usually happens is like, oh, I got this problem, but I also, I have my own personal timeline when I decided I want to get engaged or married or and yada, yada, yada, and I'm getting older, and especially from the point of view of a woman, I understand that you guys have a biological clock you have to consider and things like that.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
And sometimes, or oftentimes, they will like, you know, acknowledge that there's a problem, but also simultaneously pursue the thing that they want, which, you know, might be a proposal and things like that while just telling themselves like, well, yeah, that's a problem, but we'll just keep working on it. And, you know, I love the man. He's a good guy. He's nice. He's nice to his nieces.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
So like we can still move forward. I'll move in together, sign a lease, get engaged, yada, yada. And you'll just hope that this problem changes. And I'm curious, what is more accurate as it relates to you in terms of how you are going about moving your relationship forward?
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
Of deciding to change because he realizes he doesn't not want to be known as some kind of man child mama's boy who like honestly the more people find out about this kind of I don't know if I were him I'd be embarrassed. It doesn't embarrass him. Yeah. He seems to be okay with it. Clearly not going to change for you. And, you know, his mom seems to be willing to do enough.
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E905 Ask Nick - Hope is Not Your Friend
And, you know, you're already starting to do at least some of the things that I would suggest you do, which is like certainly stop doing him any favors. Stop playing the role of his mom in any capacity.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Ich glaube, sie würde lieber, dass ich meinem Mann nicht erzählen würde. Well, I mean, she has an open relationship with her.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Gotcha. So, for him to go to him, would you put you at risk of violating her trust, even though I think she would be stupid for assuming that you wouldn't tell your husband?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
He would have to be more like, hey man, what's going on? I'm hearing a lot of rumors. People are talking. Und ehrlich gesagt, das ist definitiv noch etwas, das man sich überlegen muss, wenn er diesen Anspruch genommen hat. Ich denke, dein Mann muss davon ausstehen und vielleicht gibt er ihm einen zu sprechen. Aber ich verstehe, was du sagst.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Das ist eine unbedrohliche Situation, in der du nicht wirklich auf Risiko bist. Es ist nicht gut. Es wird definitiv die Leben der Menschen beeinflussen. Ja, es ist Drama. Und was sonst nicht der Fall sein sollte. Aber ich weiß nicht, vielleicht passiert das immer in solchen Arenas. Ich weiß nicht. Ich weiß nicht, ob du andere Geschichten gehört hast.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
But I mean, who knows? This guy is putting his entire career at risk. I mean, so is she. But like she's, you know, based on what you're telling me, she's has a history and a reputation of doing things and allegedly has been kind of kicked out of other programs for this behavior. So if she's still doing it now, like, I don't know.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Sie scheint auf einem gewissen Niveau zu wissen, was sie tut, und sie scheint okay damit zu sein. Ich meine, ich glaube, er sollte es auch sein. Aber wie du weißt, ich könnte ein Welt sehen, wo hier ist dein Freund und sein Mann, wie durchgehen, was sie durchgehen, als ein Paar, du weißt, hohe Stress, beschäftigte Stunden, jada, jada, fühlen sich unabhängig, wie wir die Beziehung öffnen.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
And now he's just kind of, I guess, excited or focused on that. And like in his mind, since he's gotten the green light from his wife, then he meets this horny colleague and he's not thinking about power dynamic and it's not You know, giving him the benefit of the doubt, you know, but no, like a lot of people wouldn't be giving him this benefit of the doubt, including his superiors.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
But if I were to try to give him the benefit of the doubt, I could see a world where like, yeah, he's just, he's not thinking this through and not thinking clearly.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Und es macht, hör mal, ich denke, es gibt viele Paare, die, ob es eine offene Beziehung ist oder sie entscheiden, lass uns es mischen und lass uns ein Dreisammeln haben. Und es ist einfach so, okay, großartig, wer fragen wir, weil das seltsam ist. Und dann...
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
They just assume they'll find their like one kind of freaky friend and or colleague and be like, they'll do only realizing like that kind of makes it super fucking weird after the fact. And they don't think that through. They're just trying to figure out like, how can we have a threesome with the couple and without like going on like, you know, Craigslist.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Well, if he's starting to realize and I don't know how he navigates this, but he's not the one calling in. Yeah, he needs to shut it down. I mean, it's like if my advice to him as a friend would be shut it down as quickly as possible and cross your fingers.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Yeah, as a friend, I would, yeah, kind of as a friend, I'd be like, listen, this is, you know, as a friend, I love you. I want to support you. And like, you know, but like, have you guys thought this through? Because like, there's a lot, like, do you realize what you guys are potentially risking? Like people get fired for this shit.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Like this would, this could, this will follow, this could follow him forever.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Als Mann im Jahr 2025 in einer Position von Macht, schlafen sie mit ihren Zufriedensten. Nicht gut. Hoffentlich ist sie nicht die Art von Person, die es mag, sich umzuhalten. Hoffentlich ist sie nicht die Art von Person, die das gegen jemanden weppen würde, wenn sie nicht das, was sie wollte. Ich weiß es nicht. Aber ich weiß nicht, wie toxisch diese Person ist.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Aber es gibt einige schlechte Zeichen. Also würde ich sehr leicht mit dieser Person streiten. Hopefully she's just a horny person. He shuts it down and slowly lets her find someone else, I guess.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Let's say he distances himself from her, stops sleeping with her, doesn't even advocate for her, or maybe advocates for her, but behind the scenes, and she doesn't get the placement that she wants. What he has going for him is that she would have to out herself as well to out him. She looks short of her making some outrageous claim. Let's assume it's not true that this is all consensual.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
You know, she's not doing herself any favors by outing herself, but that's assuming she can get a job.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Ja, ich denke, ich wäre jetzt, ich denke, dein Fokus sollte ein Freund zu deinem Freund sein und einfach wiederholen, wie, ja, das ist verrückt. Ich will nur dein, soweit ich mich interessiere, soweit mein Platz in diesem ist, bin ich hier, um einfach dein Freund zu sein. Was auch immer du brauchst, weißt du, ich bin hier.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Aber du, du solltest das wahrnehmen und du und Danny oder was auch immer sein Name ist. This is crazy. You need to talk to your husband. If you guys want to open up a relationship, tell him to go out to the bars or something. You're playing with some serious fire here. He needs to cut this shit out. Otherwise, this is going to really blow up. People are going to find out.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Yeah, it's definitely not your problem. The moment maybe your husband comes home and shit's gotten real messy at work and blah, blah, blah, I think you need to follow your husband's lead when it comes to escalating this to the workplace. And then you'll have to consider whether this friendship really means anything to you.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
But you and your husband are not at risk of anything, like you said, that you really can think through it. Und jetzt ist es einfach so, dass du einen sehr vorderen Platz hast für andere Leute, die viele Risiken in ihren Rücken stellen.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
If I were you, I would sit down with your husband and think this through together before you guys do anything. Because I just think this sounds like a small enough community and enough of people already know Es ist einfach sehr unwahrscheinlich, dass wenn du mit deinem Mann zusammengehst, dass du komplett anonym bleiben wirst und keine Schrapnel verhindern wirst, so zu sprechen.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Und hör mal, ich würde deine Mannschaftsleute folgen, die Entscheidungen, die er macht, wenn es sich um Arbeit handelt, weil es sein Arbeit ist. Und das ist deine Freundschaft, die du behalten musst. Aber solange du nicht auf Risiko bist, weißt du, dass... Du musst vorsichtig sein, wenn du das, so zu sagen, richtig machst, und es nicht dein Geschäft machst.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Weil, auch wenn du nicht richtig bist, du machst nichts falsch, und du siehst andere, die Dinge falsch machen, und du spielst einfach nur die Wahl. Und wiederum, als Freund, kannst du zu deinem Freund gehen und sagen, hey, hör mal, als Freund bin ich hier, wenn du das nicht durchgedacht hast, ich habe es für dich durchgedacht und ihr spielt mit einem seriösen Feuer.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Ich weiß nicht, was du darüber tust, aber du solltest mit deinem Mann sprechen und vielleicht müsst ihr das Ding aufhören und andere Wege auswählen, wie du interessante, furchtbare Dinge mit deiner Verheiratung machst, weil es nicht wirklich schmutzig wird. Und du könntest deinem Freund sagen, wenn etwas passiert, die Leute sprechen. People are talking. It's getting around. I'd be very careful.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
So, everyone involved is a doctor, an aspiring doctor?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Okay. Und dieser Applikant, Mediziner, Doktor, hat jeder hier von der Medizinstitut graduiert? Ja. Also, technisch sind sie alle Doktoren. Das ist mehr Spaß. Das macht es mehr langweilig.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Well, I mean, I don't know. That's what, she's a leader. Sometimes leaders have to deal with shit. I don't know. And like, you know, maybe creating a close-knit family community is like not the thing to do. And yeah, high stress, high demand, away from your loved ones, like it's... You know, doctors are, you know, doctors are really smart people at a lot of things.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
And sometimes when it comes to like interpersonal, like decision making, when it comes to relationships, like they're not the best at, like, you know, they're like cranking open the biology books and like cutting open bodies. And like, she's like, let's be a family. And everyone's like, I don't know, why am I so horny? I don't know, like, ah, like, no, but I'm serious, right? Like...
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
So, I don't know, maybe this leader, this boss, you know, she has some, you know, hopefully everyone learns from this, right? If there's anything to be learned, you know, but it's not your job to protect her job and her feelings and
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Right now, protect your friend, give your friend whatever advice you think she needs to hear, follow your husband's lead, obviously be supportive of him, but I would caution you to challenge each other to really ask ourselves, is this really our business? Und müssen wir etwas sagen an diesem Punkt? Denn wer ist wirklich auf Risiko?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Wir müssen feststellen, dass diese Frau konsensualen Sex mit diesem Mann hat, der konsensualen Sex hat. Ja, es gibt eine Power-Dynamik hier. But like one of more optics, because like, you know, she has power to like clearly this person, the way you're describing her as someone who like very much knows what she's doing. She's very much in control.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
She seems sounds like she's pursuing these relationships. She's like kind of like she's on the attack, so to speak, you know, when he's like the horny husband who just got a hall pass and like kind of being taken advantage of in a weird way. Like no one's going to buy that narrative, by the way. But like there could be some truth to that. But like, You know, that's all that's really going on here.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
So what I'm hearing is they're not really at risk other than risking their own jobs and careers and having a reputation. They don't want to follow them. But that has nothing really to do with you and your husband. And I would just be very careful about, you know, unless that changes, I wouldn't change your decision-making tree, so to speak.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Okay, all right. The Applicant. It's like a name in a movie, like an accountant. The Applicant. How did we find out Dr. Applicant was sleeping around? Sleeping him or her?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Please keep us posted. I would hate to not find out how things play out. Yeah, we'll do. Thanks so much for your time. Take care.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Es fühlte sich nicht premeditiert an, sondern organisch war es anders. Aber er war vielleicht, wenn etwas anders war, als einige der anderen Männer, mit denen du verheiratet warst, wo sie alle sehr schmutzig waren, sehr früh, fühlten, als ob sie nur sagen würden, ich nehme meine Hände jetzt oder später. Und er war mehr so, lass uns auf einen Weg gehen und Minigolf spielen.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Und sie sagt dir, das ist eine horrifische Sache, das zu erleben. Du machst es so, als hätte ich Tee. Und sie hat dir in der Pantrie gesagt, während jeder andere Kräuter hatte.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
So wait, wait, wait. You started hanging out with this guy. It's going pretty well. It started right after he... So, just to summarize. You were talking to a guy. Yes. I met him on FaceTime when I was with the other guy, but I never met him in person.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Alright, so you're hanging out with this guy, and while you're hanging out with this guy, this other guy somehow Facebooks messages you and says like, hey, my friend, the guy you're seeing, he's not a great guy, you shouldn't date him. And then you stop, for whatever reason, maybe partly because of his advice or not, you start, you stop hanging out with that guy.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
And then like a day later, this other guy who claimed to be the other guy's friend, who's talked shit about him, is like, hey, what's up? We should go like mini golfing. And then you start hanging out with him. It's going pretty well. It's like, it seems different. It seems nice. It seems fun. You're having, you know, you meet each other's families.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
And then all of a sudden you're like, we're like, hey, we've been dating. We're hanging out on a regular basis. At this point, have you had sex?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Und er ist so, oh, ich hab's ihm gesagt, es hat ihm nicht geklappt, es hat ihn in die falsche Richtung geräumt. Und ja, wir sind noch ein bisschen verheiratet, aber du kannst nie kommen. Und es ist ein Sommer von Spaß, eigentlich.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
While he's having the summer fun and you can't go over to his house, you're still like calling him up every once in a while, like begging for sex?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
At this point, have you had any conversations about boundaries, what you guys are, titles, expectations, rules?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
So you share each other's locations, but as far as you know, you can fuck as many people as you want and no one has the right to say shit.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
So you found out, okay, wow, layers. You found out from your friend that, well, the applicant was sleeping with her husband. She was in fact, you know, I don't know.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
agreeable to this but it sounds like some of the other people are less agreeable potentially or you just don't know or is it possible that despite the closeness that you have with this group there's like this secret orgy going on and she is just a catalyst like
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
And I'm guessing, for all you know, the other girl smarted up and stopped seeing him?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
All right, I'm going to cut you off for a second. Where are we today with this guy?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
I understand. Where do you emotionally stand with this guy?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
I don't think. And how do you interpret those feelings? Like, what do you think that means to you?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Well, alright. So, listen. You started by calling and asking if he was a narcissist. I don't know. I'm not a psychologist. He's certainly done some selfish things. He's done some narcissistic things. I'd be willing to bet he's no more of a narcissist than, I don't know, most people in their 20s in your average fuckboy.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Ja, sicher, vielleicht ist er ein Narzissist, weil jeder online, der dich auslöst und sich für sich selbst denkt, ein Narzissist zu jemand anderem. Aber die Internetseite ist voll von Narzissisten, die andere Narzissisten in meiner Meinung nennen. Aber ja, sicher, er hat einige seltsame Dinge gemacht.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Ich denke, was, und das ist wirklich nicht relevant, wenn es um dich geht, aus meiner Meinung nach. Meine Meinung ist, du musst dich aufwachen und realisieren, dass du nicht mehr die Verletzung in dieser Situation bist, dass du jetzt ein Produkt bist. Das ist sicherlich das letzte Jahr, Jahr und ein halbes, weil es seit wie lange? Ein paar Jahre?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Zwei Jahre. Du, du weißt, vielleicht der erste Anfall.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Aber sicherlich, nachdem du herausgefunden hast, dass er dich zweimal verabschiedet hat, und dann diese andere, und dann hat diese Frau endlich entschieden, sie ist aufgewacht, sie hat die Wahrheit gehört, und sie hat entschieden, dass ich keine Person mehr so verabschieden werde, und sie hat ihn, wie du weißt, auf alles geblieben und hat sich mit ihrer Leben umgebracht.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Und dann hast du das als eine Möglichkeit genommen, eine Sieg zu beurteilen. and say that he was mine. And then from that moment forward, you stopped being the victim in the story. And, you know, well, he stopped being the, you know, you stopped being the victim as far as he was concerned and you were victimizing yourself. You have put yourself in this situation.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Like, these are your choices you have made. And I say that to you because in my opinion, you're much better off taking accountability for your choices that you can control because clearly you have no ability to control him. And you've created a monster. You have played a role in helping this person. He hasn't called. I'm not talking to him. I don't know who this person is.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
He has a lot to be accountable for. And he's made certainly a lot of choices. And we can all agree he's a piece of shit. And fuck him. But that's not helping you at all. And that doesn't get you anywhere. And you need to wake up and realize that that you have just become obsessed with this situation. You have become obsessed with winning.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
You have become obsessed with him picking you and decided that your worthiness, all of your worthiness, all of your self-respect, all of your self-confidence is wrapped up in his approval. And you have given him that power. You have turned him into that. That is a product of a decision you made, not a decision he made.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Well, and the reason I cut you off is because I'm sure you've told this story in great detail. You're so good at telling the story. You remind me of me when I was telling very similar stories about ways I felt victimized by the way people treated me. And I just very much conveniently left out all the ways I was mistreating myself and all the ways that I chose winning over being happy.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
I chose being right over being happy. Und wenn ich sage, du hörst mich immer sagen, willst du bereit sein, willst du glücklich sein? Right now, you're just like, you will talk to anyone who's willing to listen to tell your version of the story, how you've been taken advantage of by this narcissist, piece of shit guy who never, you know.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Meanwhile, you've given him every opportunity to regularly over and over play you. So much to the fact that he's blocked you. Like he is setting a boundary with you. Because apparently you have, I say this with love, but tough love, you have given up all self-respect and turned into someone who is just like, almost to the point where he doesn't want you to reach out.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Because again, and you have allowed yourself to be his backup plan. You have made yourself readily available whenever he is single and available to be the person who is willing to have sex with him and hang out with him at his convenience when he wants to. And that's all you are to him. And that's all you'll ever be at this point.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Du musst anfangen, dich selbst zu glauben. Therapie ist immer eine gute Option. Ich bin ein bisschen ein Advokat. Ich sage nicht, dass es das Ende ist. Aber du kannst Männer finden, klar.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Ich meine, das ist die größte Unterschiede zwischen dir und Frauen, die sich in solchen Situationen nicht befinden. Hör auf, ich verstehe es. Ich weiß nicht, was deine Meinung von dir ist, wenn du mit deinen Feiern vergleichst. Aber egal, wie du siehst, oder wie viel Geld du hast, oder deine Möglichkeit, die Leute zu lachen, oder dein Charme, oder was auch immer.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Am Ende des Tages habe ich gesehen, in einem Weltraum, in dem große Männer jede Möglichkeit und jede Bewertung in der Welt bekommen, wenn es um Dating geht, habe ich große, tolle Männer gesehen, die einfach schrecklich sind. You know, with women and awkward and like put themselves and like and allowed women to run circles around them just because like they follow their ego.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
They make it all about winning. They make it all about like putting their value in the prey. You know, I've been that person. Right. You know. And so like, whatever. Fine. Even more like. But the point is that you're kind of making my point. The point is, is like this is a person who is like he's more interested.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Like he probably feels like a narcissist to you because what he is, is very much interested as a 28 year old man in his needs. And that's more than anything his biggest priority. Und ja, es ist sehr selbstbewusst, sicher. Und demonstriert narzisstische Tendenzen, richtig? Und denkt an sich selbst, sicher.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Aber du hast, und du denkst an dich selbst auch, aber du hast es alles gemacht, dein Wert ist in diesem Mannspreis. Er braucht nicht deinen Preis, um sich wertvoll zu fühlen. Er braucht wahrscheinlich keinen Mädelspreis, um sich wertvoll zu fühlen. Ja. Ja.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
But then you gotta stop talking about it. You're at that point where you have to acknowledge to yourself that you can control your thoughts. Because right now you are not. You have turned this into an identity for you. You are wearing this relationship all over yourself. It's the thing you enjoy talking about the most. As much as it makes you miserable, it's your favorite thing to talk about.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Und du musst stoppen. Und es wird nicht einfach sein. Du bist daran enttäuscht. Es ist nichts anderes als, ich weiß nicht, ob du mich darüber gehört hast, wie obsessiv ich bin, ich bin aus Zucker. Ja, ich auch. Ich hoffe, dass ich das für immer aufgeben kann. Aber wahrscheinlich nicht, richtig?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
An einem Punkt wird es ein wunderschöner Schokoladenkuchen sein und ich werde mir sagen, fuck it, ich kümmere mich nicht um es. Ich werde nur einen Schluck probieren. But like I'm gonna break the seal. Right.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
And then I'm gonna just, you know, and sometimes in the reason I got into this whole like cleanse is because for a period of time I was really just like fucking just eating a lot of fucking dessert, you know, and I just kind of got a little addicted to it. I got into a routine of this being comfortable with eating shitty foods over and over and over where it just it kind of became. A routine.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
And it becomes harder to break those routines. And this has become your routine. It's part of who you are. It's part of your day. But that means you can stop that routine. It will be difficult. Like anything you're comfortable with and used to, and you try to break that routine, and you try to cleanse or fast or whatever, you know, Ja. Ja. You know? But, like, you're not getting anywhere.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
So, like, you need to, like, get rid of shit that reminds you of him. You gotta, like, stop yourself from stalking him on Instagram. When he pops in your head, you gotta find shit to, you know, hey, fuck, I'm doing it again. And it will. It will pop into your head.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
But instead of spending the next 30 minutes ruminating about it and telling the story to an imaginary person in your car while driving, because I guarantee you've done that, you've, like, literally, I mean, you've just... I know this because I've done this too. I'm not calling you out. I just know. I've been you.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
It's the same premise. You are giving, you know, all this energy, you know, but, like, you have to be mindful of, and again, like, whether it's advice from Mel Robbins, advice from me, you know, all we can do is, like, say the same shit over and over to people like you, but you're gonna have to put this into practice.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Und, weißt du, auch ich sage dir, weißt du, es ist wie, ich spreche immer noch über sie mit dir. Also, auch wenn wir das tun, es ist wie, du könntest, weißt du, lassen sie, sicher, es passt nur, wenn du sie tatsächlich lassen kannst. Du sagst, lassen sie über, weißt du, weißt du, was ich meine?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Du musst tatsächlich das Ding machen, wo du, du musst, lassen sie, sagen, lassen sie, wie, wie, wie, wie, wie, wie, wie, wie, wie, wie, wie, wie, Right. And now you need to like, what is the thing you were going to think about it instead? And are you going to like ask your friends to hold you accountable to be like, I don't want to talk about it anymore.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
If I do, you have my permission to tell me to shut the fuck up and be like, we're not talking about that.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
I'm sure you saw that as like some sign and that was probably the worst thing for you. You got toe motion, yeah.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Yeah, nightmare. Yeah, listen, I don't know this guy. Maybe he's... I doubt he's a villain. I think he's just another immature fuckboy who got caught. And he definitely needs to grow up and hold himself accountable. And I hope he does. And I hope he in a few years reflects back. And I hope you never hear from him regardless.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
And I hope for him that whoever he ends up with is like... Maybe he ends up with a type of woman who will... Hold them accountable and be like, yeah, you were kind of a piece of shit to women, you know, sometimes. And he should be like, yeah, you know, I definitely made some mistakes and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Because I really think, like, honestly, like, you know, maybe I'm naive, but I think 90% of people are good. I do. Me too. And I think 90% are good people who were all selfish assholes at some point in our lives, you know?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Sure. I was talking to a friend who's going through something right now and some of their friends haven't really stepped up for them and that sucks. And I had to remind my friend, I totally get it. I've been that friend that you're mad at before. And I've been that friend who was so caught up in my own bullshit that I wasn't capable of being the type of friend
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
die sie brauchten, was mich gerade an dich erinnert. Für verschiedene Gründe. Es gibt vielleicht Leute da draußen, die erwartet haben, dass du ein besserer Freund bist und selbstloser bist als du warst. Und du warst nicht da für sie, weil du dich seit zwei Jahren für dich selbst entschuldigt hast.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Whatever shortcomings you had as a friend or a sister or a daughter, you have justified because you're sad. Think about narcissism. All you're doing is thinking about your own damn problems every day. And that has stopped you from... When I was heartbroken, one of my big heartbreaks, I started volunteering every Saturday. Ich war nur auf dem Weg, um aus meiner eigenen Art und Weise rauszukommen.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Ich hatte meine eigenen Probleme. Und das ist narzisstisch. Du willst einen Narzisst hier hören, aber ich sage nicht, dass du ein Narzisst bist.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Aber mein Punkt ist, dass ich denke, dass die meisten Leute, und ich würde ihn wahrscheinlich auch inkludieren, wie einfach generell gute Leute sind, die aufwachsen müssen und wachsam sind und sich an Menschen verabschieden und sie tun Dinge, für die sie sich verantwortlich halten müssen und hoffentlich für sich selbst verantwortlich sind.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Like the narcissists out there are the wolves in sheep's clothing. They're the ones who like, you know, know what they're doing. It's very calculated and they're like, that doesn't sound like this guy. It sounds like he just kind of, I don't know.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Ich dachte nicht, dass er so kapabel war, dass er tatsächlich so kapabel war.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
When he wasn't dating those people, he went back to you because you, you know, but short of like the early parts, he's kind of been like seemingly pretty up front and actually setting better boundaries and kind of like not doing the thing he did in the past that was so fucked up, you know, and you're the one who's like allowed him into your life and allowed, you know, and made it very convenient for him to like hook up with, you know, like you wanted to have sex and you reached out to him and he was like, all right, she wants to hang out with me.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Und ich war derjenige, der... Deine Fähigkeit, deine Fähigkeit, dein ganzes Leben über diesen Mann zu kannibalisieren, spricht mehr zu deinem Narzissismus als zu seinem.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Und ich bin auch schon bei dir gewesen, also kein Verurteilung. Aber ich denke, das ist etwas, das du erkennen musst, weil nichts davon, was wir gesprochen haben, dementsprechend deine emotionalen Investitionen in diesen Mann ist, außer dem Fakt, dass du entschieden hast, dich besessen zu lassen und es um dein Ego zu machen und dich zu verabschieden und dich besonders zu fühlen.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Und du hast all diese Dinge ausgewählt und gewonnen über das, dass du ein glücklicherer Mensch bist und um dich herum schaust und über das denkst, was du in deinem Leben hast.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
und aus deiner eigenen Scheiße zu kommen und zu denken, weißt du was, generell habe ich Freunde, ich habe Familie, du hast etwas für dich, und du hast all das einfach ignoriert, um sich über einen fucking Fuckboy zu entschuldigen.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Deine Mutter ist richtig, du musst dich ein bisschen über dich selbst kümmern.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
She's doing you a favor, yeah. So listen, there's things that maybe you're not happy with yourself. We all have those things. But you've become way too obsessed with what you don't have and rather what you do have. You've made yourself a victim in your own story. You've made him the bad guy and the hero all at the same time. And you need to stop. You just need to stop. And you can do it.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
All right. Well, listen, I've been you and like you really, it's like one day you're going to look back and both laugh and be mad at yourself.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
You're going to laugh by how ridiculous you were for two years and be mad at yourself for how much time you wasted and the friendships and the valuable relationships you do have that you maybe damaged and ruined all over this fucking guy in your obsession with winning. Ja, das ist sehr wahr. All right. Good luck. Keep us posted. Thank you so much. All right. Bye bye.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Okay, aber du hast zumindest seine Unterstützung. Es ist nicht so, als hätte er dich gefragt, dass du sagst, hör mal, es ist nicht unser Problem, bleib davon. Ich brauche nicht, dass das in meinem Leben passiert.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Okay. All right. So you have a crush on him, but you're worried about him stalking you?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Wow, I mean, did you know at this point that he was formerly incarcerated?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Also, what made you think that the guy you thought was cute would be a good workout buddy?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Lesson learned. Anyways. I'm just laughing. I'm not shocked it was a three-hour workout session or shocked that it was just different than yours. I think it's comical that instead of him, I think most guys in his position would be like, yeah, let's work out together and then let's kind of do what you want to do as opposed to putting you through a gauntlet.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
But anyways, he put you through a gauntlet and then what happened?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
And you didn't ask for it. But, you know, anyways, he's toeing the lines. So, all right. So like he kisses you. That's over.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
We are dealing with a workplace setting, correct? Just to be clear, this is not like I know you described like this is a group of friends. You probably get together for like game night and dinner parties and socialize. And the little bit I know about like the community in which you're talking about, like we're talking about like a young, a lot of young, ambitious, smart people who are
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
No. But I don't care about his story. I hope you don't either. I think what I care about is that like, you know, forget about his story, right? Even if he was charged for like tax evasion or something like a white collar crime or something, right? Like the point is, You met this guy. You went up to him. Forget about the long workout session, right? That's just kind of weird.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
That's just like, bruh. But in that workout session, he was like, without your consent, and I'm not, you know, I'm not, but like touching you, making you feel uncomfortable, then kissing you, making you feel uncomfortable. And like, sure, you didn't want to at that point to like scream assault. You know, I get it. But like, that wasn't okay that he did that, right? He made you feel uncomfortable.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
And that was a huge red flag. Huge, right? A huge fucking red flag. Then you go to Google and you find out this man was in prison. And like, fine, maybe there wasn't a time between now and then for him to be like, hey, by the way, let's work out together, but just so you know, I do have a rap sheet. But
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Listen, if he was a guy who really wanted to go out of his way to get ahead of it, but at this point when you find out that he was arrested for burglary and home invasion, okay, forgetting about the domestic violence that he was allegedly accused of, and forgetting about the fact that this was a pregnant person, the combination of his behavior towards you, he's been incarcerated for whatever,
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
End of conversation. Just move on. At that point, it's like, oh shit, let's change gyms. This guy, that's a huge red flag, the whole car scene that you described. I do expect him to have his version of accounts that paint him in a better light.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
And even if his version of that story has some truth to it, the fact that it involved a pregnant woman, short of a pregnant woman having a baseball bat, a gun or a knife, und versuchte, es auf mich zu verwandeln, würde ich mich einfach von einer Situation entfernen, wenn ich für irgendeinen Grund mich verteidigen musste. Ich würde einfach weg. Aber trotzdem, er hat sich nicht gewählt.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Ich weiß nicht, was seine Geschichte ist. Ich denke nicht, dass wir es hören müssen. Es sind ein paar Dinge, die dich machen, dass du denkst, ich glaube, vielleicht. Aber was ist seine Version, warum er das gemacht hat, was er außerhalb seines Autos gemacht hat? Weißt du, was ich meine?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Keep in mind, he has a very different version of that story that you just told me about outside of the car, where he was touching you at the gym and then made you feel really uncomfortable when he kissed you. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
So, where do we get to the concerns about him being a stalker?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
I don't know when you and your husband met, like got together at an early age and you have a lot of people who are like grinding it out, 16-hour days, whatever the fuck. They get this closeness with their peers, you know, and then like their spouses all get together and everyone rallies behind these like doctors who like have to like go through it, right?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
I don't think you need as much help as you think you need. And I say that because, one, it's a messy world out there, dating. You've got ex-convicts, you've got divorced men. I get it. There's nothing you can do about that, is my point. The apps, the bars, the libraries, Facebook, whatever, it's full of bad options. Es ist einfach so.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Es ist eine Seele von Leuten, die für ihre Person suchen, die meisten nicht deine Person sind. Ich liebe es, eine Gym-Analogie zu benutzen. When I refer to dating, which is like, I don't know, maybe you're more of a gym rat than the average person. I like working out too, to a certain point. There's parts of working out that aren't fun.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
The fatigue, the tiredness, even when you're pushing through for one more rep, it hurts. It's uncomfortable. It's a means to an end. They're working out to look good, feel good. But most people are not like, I get to go to the gym today. The excitement is more finishing whatever session you have. But we do it because it's hopefully going to get us somewhere. And that's what dating is.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
And then as far as needing the help, it's like you just have to trust your gut. And you have the instincts. You're not following through with this. You know that a guy, fresh off of a divorce, after a couple days asking you to be his girlfriend, is a red flag. Es ist nicht normal. Es bedeutet nicht, dass er ein Verrückter ist. Es bedeutet nicht, dass er ein Verrückter ist.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Es bedeutet nicht, dass er ein Verrückter ist. Es bedeutet nicht, dass er ein Verrückter ist. Es bedeutet nicht, dass er ein Verrückter ist. Es bedeutet nicht, dass er ein Verrückter ist.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
So you communicated a boundary, which is, I need to slow things down and get to know you. And his response to you communicating that boundary was to kind of ignore the boundary and keep persistently hanging out? Yes. Alright, so when men do that very early on, you need to shut it down.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
And it's all kind of fucking crazy and I'm guessing some couples make through it, some couples have affairs. It's kind of like a gauntlet, almost, right? Am I getting all this accurate? They should make a reality TV show about this shit. Everyone probably wouldn't be that great of doctors if they made a reality TV show about it, but it's a cool concept. It's kind of crazy, right?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
When you don't know people at all and the first thing they do is either ignore a boundary or just like show that they don't care about boundaries, period, like kissing you out of nowhere, that is, you know... Early termination. When they fly those red flags very high, just listen. Look, look. Okay. You didn't panic with the guy who wanted to be your girlfriend. You said, I don't know.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
It feels a little strong. You're just getting out of a divorce. I like what I know so far, but I barely know you at all. And an appropriate response from someone like him would be like, you know, fuck, I'm sorry, you're right. I am probably not my best self. I am like, you know, I'm still going through this divorce, but I do like you.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
And I hope that my asking you to be my girlfriend is just more about like, I just, I haven't met someone as cool as you in a while. But like, yeah, let's definitely take it slow. And I apologize. I see what you're saying. But he didn't do that. He just ignored you. Und wenn eine Person am Anfang dich so ignorieren wird, dann ist das deine Antwort.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Schreib es auf die Liste der frustrierenden Datings, die du hattest. Ich verstehe es. Dating ist viel einfacher, wenn du tatsächlich Leute hörst, wenn sie dir zeigen und dir sagen, wer sie sind, und ihnen keine Gründe geben, es wieder und wieder zu tun, und nicht deinen Mund zu vertrauen.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Du machst eine schwierige Situation so viel schwieriger, indem du Leuten, die deine Zeit und Energie nicht verdienen, deine Zeit und Energie verdienst. Besonders nachdem sie dir zeigen, warum sie diese Zeit und Energie nicht verdienen. So, I think you're really close. Your instincts are there. You're not listening to your instincts. So, I don't think you need necessarily help with dating.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
I think you just need help with trusting your gut and following your instincts and believing in yourself and not allowing the disappointment of dating and the frustration of meeting bad option after bad option an excuse to try to make these bad options good options for no justifiable reasons.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Ja, wie alt sind wir alle? Wie alt bist du wieder? 28. Du bist nur 28.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Ich weiß. Und ich bin froh, dass du das jetzt realisierst. Ja, du bist noch wirklich jung. Gut, du hättest gedacht, dass du jetzt verheiratet wärst oder was auch immer. Viele deiner Freunde sind es. Wer kümmert sich? Einige von ihnen werden verheiratet. Du hast Zeit. 28 ist nicht der Zeitpunkt, um zu paniken und zu investieren in schlechte Optionen. Und das ist, was du jetzt machst.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
And if I were you, to help you with that is stop telling yourself all my friends are married. Stop comparing yourself to your friends. Just, I am at where I'm at. And instead of being sad about where you're at because 21-year-old you didn't want that for herself. Right. You know, start appreciating what you've been able to do as an independent woman. Take advantage of your freedoms.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
It won't, doesn't last forever. Now you got really mad at me when I was like 745. I'm like, you know, like get up. We got shit to do. 21-year-old Natalie had less shit to do. All the things that you want for yourself, I hope you get it. And all those things come with a lot of responsibility and shit. And you are an independent, free person. Take advantage. I did.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
The benefit of settling down later in life, and I'm not saying you have to wait as long as I did, but you have the opportunity to um Dinge aus deinem System zu bekommen, so zu sprechen.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Um Dinge zu machen, die viele deiner Freunde, die vielleicht glücklich genug waren, ihre Person im Leben zu treffen, es gab Momente, wo, ich bin mal zu einem Bachelor-Party gegangen, ein paar Jahre her, und es war ich und ein paar verheiratete Jungs.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Das heißt, es ist eine Arbeitsfunktion. Und ich glaube, es gibt HR. Ich glaube, sie haben eine ganze... Mein Punkt ist, du kannst wahrscheinlich einen anonymen Tipp machen. Ich weiß nicht. Ich denke definitiv, dass es wichtig ist, deinen Mann und deinen Namen auszunehmen.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Und die Enthusiasme, die diese Jungs hatten, um von ihren Weinen wegzukommen und Golf zu spielen mit einander und ein paar College-Idioten zu machen, war ein bisschen hysterisch. Aber ich war auch dankbar, dass ich nicht sie war. Sie haben alle mit 24 verheiratet. Ich hoffe so. Yeah, there are.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
But there's a difference between the guy who needs a talking to and needs to be reminded to listen to a boundary and the felon with a rap sheet of domestic violence who hit your first moment with him. He clearly crosses a boundary and makes you feel uncomfortable with his physical actions. The other guy, he's probably just an emotional mess and just not ready to date. Right.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Keep taking those at bats, you know. So, trust your instinct. Your gut is right. You got to remind yourself, my gut is right. My gut is right. Listen to my gut. Follow my instincts. Trust myself. I know what I'm doing. You should repeat that to yourself because you do. Your problem is you're not doing that. You're not trusting your gut. You have a gut. You have an instinct. You have a feeling.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
And then instead of trusting your gut, you're trying to figure out ways to like Right, definitely.
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Und ja, wie dieser Kerl hat dich bestimmt verletzt. Ich denke, du weißt, aber wie deine Reaktion zu diesem Moment war, um mit ihnen zu bleiben und mit ihnen zu sprechen und ihnen die Bedeutung des Zweifels zu geben. Und dann hast du das Macht und Kontrolle verloren, weil du dich nicht zuhörst. Das ist wahr. Anstatt zu sagen, wow, Leute fragen mich, warum ich gut am Lesen bin.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Es ist, weil ich meine Instinkte vertraue. Und ich habe Vertrauen. Und ich schaue auf die echten Aktionen der Menschen. Und ich mache keine Ausreden für die Menschen. Ich höre nicht, was sie sagen. Ich höre nicht auf ihre Geschichte über sich selbst oder was sie versuchen, sich zu überzeugen.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Yeah, because we definitely don't want to, I don't know, cause further waves and... Yeah, I mean, it's not your... Because to be clear, what you know about this is a person involved came to you, but that person involved was like, honestly, like, you know, we're doing some weird shit these days, so like... Es ist mehr oder weniger Tee. Aber sie kam nicht zu dir und sagte, ich brauche deine Hilfe.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Wenn Leute anrufen, was ich von Leuten höre, ist, dass ich Leute höre, die mir ihre Version der Geschichte erzählen, die sie mir hören wollen. Und ich höre für die Wahrheit. Du bist besser bei dir selbst. Ich bin gut bei dir selbst. Ich habe angefangen, meine eigene Scheiße zu nennen, bevor ich andere nennen konnte. Das ist das, was ich anfange zu tun. Du hast es. Du bist da.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Thanks so much. Good luck. All right. Block them for sure. Change gems. Change gems. Just move on. You know, it's not that great, is it? No. Okay.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Sie war nur mit dir gossipiert. Und technisch ist es nicht dein Problem, außer du musst dich um deinen Manns Glauben kümmern.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Nicht nur ist die Vanillecreme-Sauce lecker, sondern diese Reise-Size-Package unterstützt den Gehirn, den Balance-Modus und kühlt den nervösen System, während man auch die Erinnerung verbessert. Definitiv einer meiner täglichen Go-To-Supplemente.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
I see people do this, right? They get involved in something and they feel like they're on the right side and they get a little righteous and they get invested in fun because you get to play detective and cop and you get to find out, it turns out, yeah, she's doing something illegal or whatever the fuck. I would be very careful to limit how emotionally invested you are.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Es ist sicherlich ein salatierendes Tee. Und wenn es etwas sein wird, mit dem du mit deinen Freunden gossipierst, dann gossipiere mit deinen Freunden. Und lass die Chips trinken, was sie tun können. Aber verstanden, dass du auf der pragmatischen Seite und dein Mann eine große emotionale Investition mit deinem Zeitraum gemacht habt. Er hat seine ganze Karriere in das investiert.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Diese ganze Gruppe von Freunden, die du gerade hast, Right. Like half of them aren't going to make it, you know, even maybe the doctors. I don't know. But right. It is a gauntlet and it's kind of like survival of the fittest. And so I would be careful. I would. If I were you, I would want to protect that more than anything else.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Und ich denke, es ist etwas, das man sich betrachtet, dass diese Person, die du beschreibst, ziemlich toxisch klingt. Ob sie nur schmutzig ist, vielleicht schläft sie ihren Weg nach oben, ich weiß es nicht. Und es klingt wie dein Freund und ihr Mann, weil sie die Beziehung öffnen oder etwas Non-Traditionelles machen. Es ist nicht unbedingt Dramatik in ihrer Leben.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
But this has definitely the ability to escalate where it can really impact this group, this program, as you say, and indirectly could affect your and your husband's life. So if you're going to deal with it, I would deal with it more indirectly. And again, short of you being able to submit an anonymous claim to HR... And let's decide whether they want to investigate or not.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Und seit ich für die nächsten fünf Wochen auf dem Flugzeug sein werde, ist ihre Fähigkeit, alles zu machen, die Reise-Konvenienz, ein absoluter Spielchanger. Denn es ist wirklich wichtig, auf deiner Routine zu bleiben. Es macht nicht viel Sinn, wenn du ein paar Tage skippst. Es geht um Konsistenz. Ihre Reise-Size-Packs sind absolut Spielchanger.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
I probably wouldn't, I don't know. I'd probably be careful how invested I got.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Ich meine, als Freund, ich meine, bist du nah genug, um zu sagen, hör mal, wilde Dinge, die du und dein Mann machen, aber vielleicht magst du nicht, wo du essen willst, type of thing? Ist es, bist du sicher, dass diese Person eine Reputation hat, ob du cool damit bist oder nicht? Das ist schmutzig und das könnte auf euch zurückkommen und es könnte auf ihn zurückkommen.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Und ja, du bist cool damit, aber bist du sicher, dass das klug ist? Gibt es andere Leute da draußen, mit denen er mitmachen könnte? Ja.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Er tut viel mehr falsch als sie. Und das ist, wie es aussehen wird. Er ist der Mann in dieser Beziehung. Er ist in einer Position von Macht. Wie er flirten mit Desaster.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Everyone's going to find out. Too many people know. Everyone tells somebody. In the world of like, you promised you don't tell anyone, take this to your grave. It's like, yeah, no, for sure. Like everyone has their other person. They take something to the grave and already like five or six people know.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Und ist dein Mann auch auf dem gleichen Niveau wie die anderen Mädchen?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Das ist schrecklich. Die gute Nachricht für dich und deinen Mann ist, dass du nicht involviert bist.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Because like, yeah, he should be, I mean, maybe that's, I don't know. I mean, this is more of an idea and less of advice, but I'm just kind of working through it in my head. You know, like my first thought I asked that question was like, oh, if he's buddies with them, maybe he needs to talk to his friend and be like, dude, you know, you need to cut this shit out.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
And it sounds like, you know, the whole, like, you know, he's an entertainer, you know, like, you know, like, listen, he's probably, he sounds like he's very charismatic and charming and yada, yada, yada. Sounds like he lives or projects at least a fun and exciting life that obviously makes him attractive. This guy's worked very hard on how people see him for sure. So I get the appeal.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
I'm not trying to talk shit, but like, listen, yeah. I mean, also at the same time, this type of person should not be making, you should not be like going around thinking to yourself, I can't believe this guy's into me. That's crazy. And I'd love for you to work on that. You know, well, what's the point of working so hard on yourself? I mean, what did it take for you to lose a hundred pounds?
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Have you struggled with your weight or like, what was the reasoning for what you want? A hundred pounds is a lot of weight. What, what made you want to do that?
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
I think you're highly critical of yourself and you are uncomfortable with giving yourself credit. Uh, and that's not the same as being self deprecating.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Yeah. You're, you're definitely selling yourself short. So you have a thyroid issue and you're still able to, did you, and then you just out of curiosity, have you lost a hundred pounds in a way that you feel like, is it, did you go about it in a healthy way?
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
When you, when you were like, when you, were you eating healthy or did you have unhealthy eating habits or was it just as a result of the thyroid condition that you have that you struggled with your weight?
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Well, I'm sorry you have to deal with that. I'm obviously probably not fun. Do you feel like you've addressed some of these issues in therapy? Are you back to having more healthy habits?
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Correct. Yeah. And for those who, for the people who don't know, you mean like Mormon, the Mormon religion? Latter-day Saints. Yeah, Latter-day Saints for LDS.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
You look great to me. Not that my opinion really matters, but I think you're a very beautiful person. My guess is... Some of the reason you're having a hard time seeing the person you are now in the mirror is because probably of all the way you've gone about getting to where you are. And it doesn't feel like a permanent solution. It feels like a temporary solution.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
So it feels a bit fraudulent, I'm guessing, internally. in terms of how you are showing yourself to be. I'm guessing you might have concerns about gaining some of that weight back given the conditions you have to deal with and given how your approach to lose some of this weight has been, by your own admission, a bit unhealthy. So I'm guessing that's where some of that comes from.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Do you feel like therapy's been beneficial in this area?
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Do you feel like you have your, these health conditions under control now?
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
But as of now, as today stands, you feel like you have some fairly healthy eating habits. Okay, that's good. All right. Well, so yeah, I mean, listen, I think emotionally you're very vulnerable. Mentally, you're very vulnerable right now. And so I think you need to protect that and you need to protect yourself from being triggered, giving your vulnerability, right?
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
You got to protect yourself from the people who make you feel less than part of that responsibility is yours. You know, like it's like, that's not this guy's fault for the way you see yourself around him per se, but you, you, you have to challenge yourself to work on your internal dialogue. What do you want with this guy?
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
I love that honesty. That's good honesty. That's, that's probably the truth, right?
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
I want you to be able to say that out loud without feeling like you're apologizing at the same time. You know what I'm saying? Do you get what I'm saying though?
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Cause I'm like, I want you to say that proudly. It's like, Hey, listen, I'm not, I'm not here to judge anyone else who makes different choices for, for themselves or their sex life. But I am someone who really wants and needs an emotional connection before I get to get intimate with anyone, you know? Uh, and that's just what I prefer.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
I prefer that because that allows me to, you know, not have, you know, partners that ultimately I realize I don't even like them as people. I get in my head after, you know, I emotionally connect with men that I don't even know after I hook up with them. It's created a lot of unnecessarily emotional distress for me. I've learned as a younger person.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
And so I've just decided for myself that like at 29 years old, like that's what I need. Other people might be different, but that's what I need. And I'm glad that I feel that way because it's what's best for me. And it's helped me reduce a lot of emotional anguish and confusion in my dating life.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
And I want you to say it like that, confidently, knowing that you're making the right decision for yourself, proud almost even. Like when I say it, the way I'm saying it, I'm almost saying it so proudly that you're also saying, well, I... I'm not trying to judge other people if they choose differently from me. I am someone throughout my life have been accused of being cocky, right?
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
And I've always been like, let's say I was being cocky and confident. But I do think, I'm sure at times I have come across or been cocky in areas where I could have maybe been a little bit more humble. But that being said, I do think a lot of people they just see it as cocky because they don't have the same values as you. And they might even admire the same values as you.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
And maybe they're just too weak to have, you know, the same, make the same choices or just, it's just your confidence in yourself. They, they see it as cocky because they don't have the same confidence. Right. And so here you are like, well, you know, it's just like, well, I just, you know what I'm saying? Like, I want you to be so confident in your choice to want an emotional connection that
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
that the people who are out there participating in hookup culture, I want them to almost feel judged by your confidence. Does that make sense?
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Because it's like, you know, I want you to feel like you have to be like, listen, I'm not judging you. If you don't want to make the same choices, this is for me. And I'm so confident in my choices because, you know, what's my point is, is like, there are people out there who may want to have like, like you, you have a problem with rejection as you have acknowledged. Right.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
And so there's a lot of people out there hooking up with men or hooking up with people. that they ultimately may not want to hook up with in that moment because what they, they just want them to be, they want to be liked. They want to be accepted. They're worried that if they don't put out, they're going to get rejected or, you know, they'll move on. They don't want to get rejected.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
So they hook up with the person, even though deep down, it's not what they really want kind of thing. Right. And that's caused them emotional anguish and sadness and rejection in the long run, you know? And so, but they can't get to that point. Where they're confident in their choice.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
So they keep hooking up with these people that deep down they don't really want to hook up with because they still haven't been able to find that confidence in that decision to want an established emotional connection. The good news is, is you have like you at least have been able to identify what you want and what you need. And you are able to communicate that.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
I want you to go a step further and be confident in that choice, you know? And so when you say it, I don't want you to sound like you're apologizing. Do you get what I'm saying though?
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
You probably don't even realize it when you're like, when you listen to this episode back, you'll, you'll, you'll get what I'm saying is almost as this, you know, it's just like, well, you know, I just, I've wanted an emotional connection and I, it's not like, you know, it's like you're trying to explain yourself rather than just stating a fact. And the fact is, this is what you need.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
you know, then you have every right to feel that way. And you're not proud because you're better than someone else. It's like me saying, you know, I've never been a sucker for peer pressure for taking shots.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
I, I, I didn't, I don't feel better than someone who is, I'm just, I'm more proud of the fact that I'm not going to feel like shit till next day.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Yeah. So I want you to be cognizant of the people you're investing in and spending time with, uh, and how they're making you feel. Okay. And I think when you feel excited about something, I think you should take a step back and ask yourself, is the excitement around, does he like me and would he reject me, you know, type of thing?
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Or is it excitement about, you know, the possibility of meeting, of connecting with someone and getting to know someone and things like that, you know?
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
What are you going to do with this, guys? What do you think?
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
So like, let's be clear. Like guys, especially like this guy loves a challenge, loves a chase, loves an adventure, loves someone who plays hard to get. Right. He is probably used to a lot of people who don't play hard to get, where his appearance as the great Gatsby, as you say, and his exciting life, as you say, or just the fact that he is 6'3", has got him a lot of easy lays.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
You know, it just has. And so for a guy who's probably used to getting a lot of easy lays, loves it when it's not easy, loves a challenge. And you, with your game playing, have provided that challenge. Mm-hmm. Listen, we all play games, but you have to also be in control. It's like you're playing games, but you're not in control. It's almost as if you kind of guessed right.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
you know, accidentally, but you're still, you're still constantly fixated on how he feels about you. And when you're doing that, you're definitely not in control. And like, you're so close because, you know, like you have in this conversation, you have said things like, I don't even know if I like him. Healthy admission. You know, that's, that's, that's the truth.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
The truth is I don't, you know, I really know this guy. I've, you know, I've been talking to him sporadically for a year, but it's really just all about game playing and chasing and back and forth. And like, I don't, I know, I know what I, I know what this guy has shown people.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
I know the percept, I know his reputation, you know, I know how he looks, I know his job, but I don't really know him, you know, or anything about him. I don't know how he treats women behind closed doors. I don't even know what he thinks of women, you know? Yada, yada. I don't know.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
You know, you don't really know anything other than the fact that he grew up in the same religion that you grew up in. You don't even know how, you know, devout his life is or, you know, just what what beliefs he has that may or may not differ from his religion or, you know, you know nothing about this guy.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
but instead of acknowledging yourself, I don't know anything about this guy and just be like, yeah, he's fall. He's cute. You know, he's rich, whatever. He's got some money. And those are all, you know, and you say it like the way you told me this story, it's just like, I mean, he has everything. He's my dream guy. You know, he's hot and he's got a cool and he's successful.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
And you were talking to me as if like, I don't know, you met Jesus, you know, like fair. Like, if this man rejects you, you will never have another chance at something so incredible again. And then, like, you know, three minutes later, after you kept talking, you're like, I don't even know if I like him. But you were so caught up in the fantasy of, you were caught up in the pursuit of this guy.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
You know, the fantasy of, you know, listen, it's fun to have a, like, it is very exciting to have a crush on someone and to be able to date your crush. That's exciting.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
But you have to be able to quickly adapt, so to speak. You have to quickly act like you belong. Because then it goes from exciting to making you feel small. It's okay to acknowledge the fun you're having chasing your crush, but if you can't get on their level, in your mind, then they're always going to make you feel small and less than.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
And that's not the type of feeling you're trying to create for a relationship or at all. As far as this guy, I think probably not your guy, definitely probably a fuck boy. And not to take anything away, I'm sure he thinks you're beautiful, obviously. He clearly thinks you're hot. No guy is going to pay that much attention to a girl if he doesn't think she's hot. And so it's pretty simple.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Most guys who thinks a girl is hot, that he definitely would want to have sex with her. And so, you know, he is definitely interested in having sex with you. He's made that very clear. He definitely would like to see you naked. How he feels about you after that, he doesn't even know the answer, you know? Not even thinking like that.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
He's just more like, he's not even thinking, he's not even saying, I just want to see her naked. It's just, that's just how his brain works.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
But I do think you being unavailable has kept him interested for sure. But I don't feel like you're capable of being yourself around this guy.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
I'm being serious. And the fact that he's been tall his whole life means that he's always been confident. People have always treated him a little differently. His peers, he's always felt superior. He has more confidence than he deserves to have. I guarantee it, right? Which means deep down, this man has some insecurities.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
And a lot of these insecurities, I'm guessing, are rooted from probably the fact that like That's why he throws all these parties. It's for validation. It's to keep himself feeling special. I'm sure he's a qualifying guy, whatever. Listen, what do I think you should do with this guy? I think, honestly, you should mentally move on. I'm sure he will reach out again.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
If he says, hey, would you like to go on? Just stop playing games with him. That's my advice with this guy. If he asks you out, just be like, hey, I think it's a huge red flag. You had to tell this guy multiple times that you're looking for an emotional connection, and he kept trying to hook up with you.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
That tells me, one, he's not necessarily all that listed in and respecting you, and two, it really tells me he really just wants to see you naked.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
i think it's it's like it's safe to assume i mean what would it made you feel better if you just wanted a blow job like what like i don't know it doesn't really matter i don't know it doesn't matter i don't know but i think i guess you know there were some if you go out with them you could just be honest with them hey listen man to be honest i've always kind of had a crush on you i think you're an early attractive guy but you know i also just kind of think you're a bit of a fuck boy
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
And, you know, the other night when I came over, you gave me a lot of red flags because, you know, I told you I wanted a mutual connection, but like, you know, you could say it like gently, you know, and see how he responds to that. If he's just like, well, I'm really sorry I made you feel that way. I see what you're saying. And I'm really, you know, thanks for letting me know.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
That would be a green flag. If he gets ultra defensive and then tries to somehow blame you or point out something you did wrong, run. But I think more than anything, just be honest about how you feel. And I know that's hard because that requires the possibility of rejection. Just be like, I like you. And if you like me, then let's see where it goes.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
But I don't know if you're actually interested in a relationship right now. I think you're interested in throwing parties and being the center of attention.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Men like him love to get called out on his bullshit. You know, you canceling 20 minutes before the date didn't make him like you less. It made him like you more. And I don't think you should keep doing that because he didn't like you. He liked what you did, but you get what I'm saying.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
But you canceling him 20 minutes in advance gives him the idea that you have important things going on, that you value your time, that you don't drop anything just for him. And he is used to people doing that for him. So when he finds people who don't, that is a signal to him that you're worth his time, that you might stand out as unique.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
The truth is, it's not true because you're just playing this fucking game and you're just kind of... But I'd love for you to be that person he thinks you might be. And it really just comes from your inside.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Maybe go on a date with a couple of ugly men for a while. Really gas you up. I mean, how are we going to get your confidence up, you know? I don't know. I'd love for you to work on that.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Do you not have people telling you you're beautiful on a regular basis?
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Okay. Well, keep doing that. Keep working on that. I mean, but you got, you're going to have to address that. You're gonna have to work through that.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Who are you trying to be? You know, like the most beautiful person in the world. Like what is he like? When is enough going to be enough for you?
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
You know, do you object? Do you think you're ugly?
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
I like if you really thought you're ugly, then you wouldn't even have you. You wouldn't even try to to go after someone like him.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
I want you to be more confident in yourself. I also want you to be realistic as well. You know, there's a balance between, you know, having a healthy amount of confidence, knowing your worth, you know, knowing that you're an attractive person who deserves to be with someone that you also find attractive. But it doesn't mean like, hey, I'm a queen. I'm beautiful.
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I deserve a guy who looks like Chris Hemsworth. Like, I don't know, maybe not. I don't know, you know. Right. So you got to find the balance. Like you're you're you're treating this guy like he's Chris fucking Hemsworth. He's clearly not. He's a swell looking guy, but like he's not out of your league. And if he doesn't like you, who gives a fuck? He's just one guy.
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And maybe stop going after super tall men because you are you. I will say someone with a lack of confidence that you have dating men who have been tall their whole life is probably the worst person for you to date because you are dating someone like this guy has more confidence than he deserves and you have less confidence than you should have.
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And that is not a good combination for someone like you.
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Honestly, I think it is a problem. Well, part of the part of the problem is you need to have a better idea of who you are and you need to work on your confidence. And it starts with the language you use in your head. You got to stop talking bad about yourself in your head. You got to stop being the butt of your own jokes with your friends. You got to stop being self-deprecating.
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It's not even self-deprecating. You're just mean to yourself. Self-deprecating is like what people who like have too much confidence should start using to, you know, so that they don't sound like a cocky ass all the time.
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This guy, who I'm guessing walks around never pointing out his flaws because he's probably too insecure deep down to actually point them out, could probably use some self-deprecating humor, I'm guessing, with some of his, I'm sure, many bad habits. And then that would probably land a lot of it better because people would be caught off guard by a guy who's generally always like,
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portraying this like very put together classy guy and it's just like oh it would humanize a guy who's so afraid to be human around people you're like the opposite of the spectrum you know you never give yourself enough for credit and you're constantly putting yourself down around people who are like why are you doing that like you need to like be that you know you need to work on being the girl or the woman who like talks about herself in a much more positive way
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So I would love for you to ask your friends and challenge yourself to stop belittling yourself. Stop being the butt of your own jokes. Stop pointing out your flaws to your friends in public because you're only doing that not to be self-deprecating. You're trying to beat them to the punch. You're so insecure about what people might think about you.
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You would rather put it out in public and let people know that it's, you know what I'm saying? Like that's all the reason why that's the only reason why you're doing it. It's a defense mechanism.
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So work on that. And start dating some guys that are 5'10", 5'11". How tall are you? I'm 5'5". Five, five, 10. That's, that's, that's plenty tall for you. Guys who are six, three, who've been six through their whole life have way too much confidence in themselves. And like, you're, you're not there yet. You should be.
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And now when I say you're not there yet, I am not talking about your physical appearance. I am talking about your belief in yourself.
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You're wasting this precious time. You're 29 years old. This is a great age for you. You should be having fun and spending your energy on a variety of different men and men who make you feel good about yourself. And the reason why this guy can call you sexy and beautiful and you just don't feel good about yourself is because you have told yourself over and over you don't deserve him.
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And deep down, he probably really is a fuck boy. And your gut's telling you that. And he's acting like a fuck boy. And you are not willing to see that he's a fuck boy because you've told yourself, this is my dream man. I can't believe he likes me. So you're looking past all the obvious red flags for the plot, so to speak.
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That's fair. But it's costing you. It's really putting you down emotionally. It's really making you feel, it's setting yourself up for disappointment. Okay?
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I mean, you're way too good looking to feel this way about yourself.
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No one's ever called me too kind in my life. I've never been too kind. It's not in my nature. So I'm just keeping it real. Again, I'm not saying you can get any man you want. You can't. No one can. But you can get someone you deserve and makes you feel good about yourself and appreciates you and doesn't play games. And when you say, I don't really know you yet.
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I feel more comfortable with someone I want to build a connection with. They'll respect you for it. Yeah, they still may be like, oh, well, okay. Well, I definitely want to see you naked, but I get it. You know, they're not going to want to make you feel bad. They're not going to ignore it. They're not going to point to their boner.
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Is the validation you should be thankful for receiving when you ask if you're even attracted to me? Like, come on. You know what I'm saying? Like, this isn't your guy. You know? He wanted his boner to make you feel beautiful. I mean, come on.
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But that's what you get from a guy who's been 6'3 his whole life.
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Anyways, we got to go. Hopefully this was helpful.
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Keep investing in therapy. Keep those healthy habits going. Work on how you see yourself. Put yourself in positions and ask yourself, you being triggered, you feeling the spark, you feeling excitement are all possible triggers. They're also possible red flags of actually making you feel worse about yourself. You love the validation. We all do, but just be mindful of that.
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I'm serious. I really, I think that's, I think your future man is under six foot. He's five. He's between five, 10 and six foot.
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Is that, is that so terrible? You're five, five.
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Uh, Natalie is five. I'm four inches taller than Natalie. I'm six, two.
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Uh, I, yeah, I just, I think it'll go a long way, but you have to stop. You also have to stop one chasing men because they drive fast cars or they have money. Uh, because that is, that's fair. That doesn't in the long run, that doesn't make you feel good about yourself. It makes you feel worse.
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Stop trying to be someone's arm candy and try to be someone's partner.
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Thank you very much. Thank you. Thanks for advocating for the show and getting people to listen. Please follow up with us.
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No, I'm serious. I'm invested in your relationship story. So I want to see you see this through and I want to see you develop a lot healthier habits because you're only 29. These are some good years you got. Stop wasting them on selling yourself short, putting yourself down and on average tall men.
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OK, well, it's harsh, but what do you think about what she said? Do you agree with what she said?
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Yeah, I would agree. And I'm guessing since your cousin left that day and emotions cooled down, because it must be a little terrifying to be in a room with someone who's demonstrating violent behavior around your newborn baby. But even after things calmed down, I'm guessing you don't feel like you overreacted in that moment?
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Yeah. I mean, how close are you with this extended family?
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And what do your parents think about this drama?
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And it's your dad's side of the family that this is going on with, correct?
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It sounds like your dad's family is a little messy in general.
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And do you not talk with him more based off of the boundary you set or the boundary he set?
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Okay. All right. And do you know if he's stopped?
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I can't help but wonder if this desire to have a relationship with his side of the family not only stems from the loss of the family members you have on your mom's side of the family, but in a way to try to make up from the fact that you don't have a relationship with your father.
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Yeah. Yeah. I think it's obviously the fact, especially now that you're our mom, it's very, you know, your priority is you and your child above all things.
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So I think it's obviously seems like it makes a lot of sense that you set that boundary with your dad, but is there a way to still have a relationship with him at a distance without, you know, I could see why maybe like keeping this, you know, having this guy around you from a physical standpoint, no bueno, you know, not good.
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But even if you guys were to communicate via letter or text messages or even a phone call here or there, and you can, you can still very much disagree with how your dad is going about his life and the choices he's making. And you could still say, be there for him. I'm just saying it's possible. Now, at the same time, I do think it's really important that you do protect yourself and your child.
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So I think keeping a level of distance makes a lot of sense. And maybe I'm misspeaking, you know, because I don't know maybe much about the relationship, but is that possible? You know, because again, I keep hearing this, like at the end of the day, like you said, he still is your dad. You still care about him. You still worry about him.
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I get why you distance yourself because you felt like you had to do that and you had no other choice. But is there more of a compromise that would allow you to have some kind,
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Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. Yeah, I mean, listen, I think all I can really offer you is basically permission to accept your aunt and your cousin's choice and not let them weaponize your desire to have a connection with that side of the family so much so that you start making concessions for what's best for you and your child, right?
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And the good news is I'm not hearing you regretting it. You know, it's like, You did the right thing. You put your child and you first. You did what you had to do to get your cousin who was being violent. And, you know, who knows what could have happened. And there's a reason why you, you know, you didn't even threaten to call the police.
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You reluctantly stated that you would be willing to call the police if she continued to scare you. But more than anything, I think you just have to accept their decision. And I think you can feel sad about it and confident that you made the right decision. I guess what I'm saying is if I were you, that's what I would do. I'm not saying I'm right.
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Did you say that to him? Hey, I'm just like, you know, I don't, I need an emotional connection before I get physical with someone. You did say that.
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I'm not saying I don't know if I'm giving you the answer you wanted or hope for. It's just like I can't give you a solution that's going to mend the fences with these people because it sounds like these people are not open to being reasonable, right? And if your aunt wants to simply side with your cousin because it's her daughter and
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without considering what was going on and who your cousin was putting at risk. Maybe your cousin's the way that she is because quite honestly, mom always made excuses for her behavior.
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Let that guilt go. You will create the family that you and your child deserves. And one, time does heal wounds. Hopefully your cousin figures her shit out. But she was wrong. We don't even have to debate that. You're even willing to forgive her. But that was an unsafe situation she put your child in. She deserves to be held accountable for that.
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And as far as the future of your kid, that's a long way, you know, you will bring in people into your life. And I commend you for wanting to have family connections, but it's got to be the right family. You know, I would be more concerned with you around surrounding your child with healthy people.
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Three times. What was his response to all three times?
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mentally healthy people, people who are good role models, people who can set a good example, whether they're blood relatives or they're family through long friendships, that they're like family. Just like your cousin was like a sister, you can have a friend that's like a sister too. You know what I'm saying? You can have healthy people in you in your child's life.
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And if I were you, I would focus more on that. I just... Your child will be super appreciative of the fact that you put him first above all things. That's what your child needs is your love, which you're giving it to them. And you will make sure that your child has family members and friends and other people in their lives. You will make that happen.
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I think you would do yourself a favor by thinking about what you do have and how little it might feel. Your relationship with your mom. A lot of people out there don't have that. Right. I don't know how old grandma is or what her health is, but let, let, you know, and does your mom's side of the family, does she have any, is it just your mom that's left?
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And that sucks. But it doesn't do you any good by kind of being sad about your extended family and the problems they have in their lives and wishing you had...
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you know, you turn on the TV or something and maybe you're watching where it's just like, oh, we're having the big extended family and all the cousins and all the aunts and uncles and all the grandparents are showing up and everyone's happy and everyone's in love and, you know, it's like, sure, I don't know. Yeah. But like, you know, that family has problems too, you know, even in the movies.
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I don't know if this is being helpful, but you have a beautiful child, you have your mom. We can explain your aunt, right? Your aunt is just blindly having her daughters back the same way your aunt blindly had her daughters back her whole life, which caused your cousin to kind of be an asshole sometimes and not ever hold herself accountable.
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Which is why she went to fucking jail for stealing shit. Like, what the fuck is she doing? Like, what is going on there, you know? But your cousin, who it sounds like the loss of that friendship, that connection with your cousin is probably what's hurting you the most. That makes a lot of sense because that was the person you're closest with.
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I'm guessing you'll be able to mend that fence if you want to.
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Well, let that shit go. All you should really be caring about is your child. And you can say, listen, thank you for reaching out. I love you. I miss you. I'm not ready to talk right now. My feelings really hurt, but I do want us to be close again. You know what I'm saying? You can say some version of that.
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You can let her know that you love and care about her and that you're not ready, but you still hope to like mend fences, you know, but you have to put your foot down and say, listen, like, I hate that I was in that position. I didn't threaten to call the cops. I was just as shocked that I was in a position with you that I felt like I had to be willing to even consider that.
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Do you, I mean, you were throwing shit. You know, we all know, including your cousin, that's crazy behavior. And if you're if your cousin doesn't think that's crazy, then maybe your cousin shouldn't be around your kid. But your cousin, I'm guessing, isn't crazy, you know, and your aunt is taking her side. So just ignore what aunt has to say, because she's speaking from a place of delusion.
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And let your let your aunt's parenting styles be a lesson to you that sometimes always having your kids back isn't having your kids back. Maybe there's a better way of saying that because like you always want to have the back, but like defending your kid blindly and not holding them accountable for their behavior is a recipe for disaster.
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See, you left all that part out. There's definitely a side here of you dwelling more on the negative than the positive. And that's not to take away from the fact that you have reasons to be sad about this loss.
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But I think you're making a bad situation worse by then going down this kind of mental rabbit hole of my son's not going to have any family members, making yourself feel like some sort of worse parent. Like you're doing everything you can for your kid and you should be very proud of that. And the fact that you want your child to have relationships in his life, that means it will happen.
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Who he has relationships with, whether it's your cousin or your aunt, you have a newborn baby. Five, 10 years from now, 15 years from now, when those relationships are more formative in your child's life, who knows what's going to happen? Your cousin maybe have been fully healed. Maybe she'll get the help that she needs. Maybe she'll figure her shit out. Maybe she'll be in a much healthier place.
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I don't know. Maybe not. But stressing about it now and making yourself feel guilty for something you have no control over, you're not helping you or your kid out.
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yeah talk but that I do miss her and love her yeah that's all I really miss you I really love you that was a really scary situation and I would say something like that that was that was a really that was a really scary day and everything about that I kind of wish I could forget but it's been hard to do but I do miss you I do want us to be close again and maybe you saying something about that being a scary day will like
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chill out like say hey i was wrong i mean that she knows she's wrong you know what i'm saying she knows she's wrong and the fact that her mom is feeding her with like no one should call the police on the family members and she's like yeah no one you know it's like that's fucked up you shouldn't have been put in that position that period end of story yeah no i agree
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You know, you should say something. I don't want to have to worry about you being around my kid. That's crazy. I love you. You know, I want you to be in my kid's life. I want you to be an aunt to my kid. I want you to be a role model for my kid. Like, what the fuck are you doing that, you know, for? I can't have you be in my kid's life if you're going to be violent around them.
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defending yeah I mean my cousin again you didn't threaten to call the cops she put you in a position to have to consider it yeah also you didn't call the cops so there's that too
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Okay. I would have believed you. You know, the way you're describing it, I thought you were going to say 25.
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So the fact that your aunts even be like, no one, like, first of all, I didn't. So like, shut the fuck up. And family members make threats all the time with each other. So like, you're telling me I can't even threaten my cousin to call the cops when they're, she was literally throwing shit. She was doing something. I was threatening something.
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Like, honestly, I wouldn't even entertain your aunt and I would just ignore her if she wants to keep, you know, speaking nonsense. And as far as your cousin goes, just let her know when you're ready.
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And just, you know, your aunt is, she's just being a bully. This is your, your, your dad's sister.
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don't talk to my dad they kind of also like his whole family also blindly defends him and tries to say that he's not an alcoholic or a drug addict so there you go i empathize with your desire to maintain a relationship with this side of the family but now that you have a kid you need to strongly consider you know is this healthy for you and your kid and
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maybe your cousin, but if your aunt is projecting, it sounds very toxic, this family, and you no longer have the emotional bandwidth to worry about mending fences with these people who have no interest in checking themselves or dealing in reality.
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And I would just be very careful how much energy you invest in this family that's taking away energy that you could be investing in your son, in your mom, And people like that who don't have this track record.
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And don't let their actions make you feel guilty about the choices they're forcing you to make.
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Yeah, because it sounds like you do have some, plenty actually. You have a good support system, as you said. You got friends that you love and care about and love and care about you. You got your mom, you got your stepdad, you got your son. There's a lot there.
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Yeah. I mean, sounds like dad's kind of fucked you up a little bit. I understand. And then you got this family and you're, you're clearly trying to have these relationships. They're not making it easy for you. And it's, it's, it's been too draining for you.
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What I've learned talking to you is like, you know, I've talked to a lot of people going to therapy and what I've learned talking to a lot of people who say they're in therapy is like, sometimes they don't really know why they're in therapy other than like, you know, and honestly, when I signed up for therapy, I was like, you know, I talk about therapy, I should try therapy.
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But if you're going to keep going to therapy, you should have reasons you're going in. You know, you shouldn't always go in to talk. And after talking to you, I'm hearing, maybe setting healthy boundaries with family members, and more importantly, feeling good about the boundaries you're setting and not feeling shame from it, especially when you're forced to set those boundaries.
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You can be sad to having me put in a position to set a boundary you didn't want to set, but you shouldn't be feeling shame about it. And right now, you're feeling a lot of shame from having to set some of these healthy boundaries. And that's something I'd love for you to work on with your therapist.
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Okay. Because like there's a difference between being sad and feeling shame and you're feeling way too much shame.
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Well, shame and pressure are kind of aligned, right? You know, like when I was, when I felt shame, when I was like a horny teenage boy, you know, kissing girls and doing things that my parents told me I was going to burn in hell for, I definitely felt pressure to do the right thing and then felt shame when I gave in or what, you know what I'm saying? When I did the wrong thing.
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So pressure and shame are very much connected. You know, we feel pressured into doing quote unquote the right thing. And then we feel shame when we don't do what we think we've been told or we internalize is what the right thing is.
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You're doing the right thing, which is to set these difficult boundaries with people you would prefer to have a relationship with. but they're making it very difficult to do so. And instead of feeling good about the boundary you set because you know it's what's best for you and your child, you know, and then also feeling sad because like, hey, I'm sad because obviously I love these people.
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You're feeling instead shame, which is like, am I doing the right thing? Did I do it wrong? Should I have not said that? Should I have not threatened to call the cops? Am I the asshole kind of thing? And you shouldn't be questioning, am I the asshole basically? for doing something that you know is deep down healthy and right.
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And I think that relationship with your father and the guilt that you might feel are all things that I would love for you to work on with your therapist. And that's what a therapist is for, to help you work through those kind of toxic internal thoughts that we all have.
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Yeah, I am too. That's amazing. And again, pat yourself on the back for that. Give yourself credit.
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You're making some really good decisions and I want you to feel good about those decisions instead of feeling sad about them or getting your head and questioning how good you are as a mother or what you're taking away from your son because you're unwilling to have unhealthy relationships with unhealthy people. Your son is going to be grateful that you distance yourself from from unhealthy people.
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You know, family may be family, but like, you know, you know, sometimes family doesn't belong around the people that we need to protect.
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All right. Well, keep us posted. We'd love an update on how things are going with motherhood and your cousin. But I'm willing to guess if the door will always be open if you're willing to keep it open. There's a good chance you're one of the healthiest people your cousin has in her life. She's not going to throw that away that easily.
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What's he doing? What's he standing, crawling? What's going on?
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Well, that's awesome. Enjoy that. Like, honestly, like just this energy that you're, you could just enjoy your son. It's just like, you don't get these days back, you know? So be present, stay focused. Your cousin will come around. I'm confident. The question is, is will you want them around? Because will they be healthy enough and safe enough for them to be around your son? All right.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Okay. Well, yeah, there you go. Why don't you know? Yeah. Why don't you, are you, do you have feelings for this friend? No. Yeah. Yes. No.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
And he said some sexual things like, oh, you're so hot. I want to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
What did he say? I mean, you already know. What did he say? Say it. Say it out loud. Say it out loud. We want to hear it. Things he wanted to do as in like... Say the exact words that you remember specifically so the audience can go, ah!
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Your friend told you this. His friend went to the bathroom and then your friend said, I've been leading you on.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
But you were more focused on preserving the sexual tension and not wasting the sexual tension than asking him why he chose to lead you on.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Fine. I guess if you got to it, but like, your immediate response was more about, It was your ego. You were more worried that the sexual tension wasn't as real to him as it was to you. And that made you feel silly and stupid. And so you were trying to protect the sexual tension, so to speak, and making sure that it was as real as you hoped it would be.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
And so you felt embarrassment instead of feeling anger. It sounds like you eventually got to anger, maybe. But I'm guessing you weren't as angry. Well, I know you weren't as angry as you should have been because this motherfucker felt confident enough to say that he still values you and wants to keep you around. And I'm guessing you didn't say, absolutely not. Like, wow, no. Right? You didn't.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Yeah, you said, oh, okay. And that's the tough part, though. Okay, sure.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
I love the what the F part. The what are we doing here? I don't know. It's not that what are we doing? You know what you're doing. You thought you were flirting with someone who was flirting back with you. You were doing the normal thing. You have no reason to question what you were doing. I don't know why there's a we in this question. There's a what the fuck were you thinking?
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Don't say you respect me if you are so willing to lead me on and just get off on like seeing if you could.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Yeah, but let's focus less on buzzy words like breadcrumbing and let's focus on why you let this happen.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Up until the point where you find out there was a girl involved and he was leading you on.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Yeah. But like, right. If you were her, how would you feel about you?
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Okay. Well, that's not what's, you're not the victim here. I mean, you're a victim a little bit by his actions, but you have allowed yourself to be the victim and you have made excuses for You've allowed his behavior and his treatment towards you allow you to make choices that I'm guessing you wouldn't be proud of.
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And you're making choices that you know if this other person found out about you would hurt her. And you are justifying those choices based off of all the things he's doing wrong. And you are basically giving yourself a hall pass to kind of have these low character moments just because of how he's acting. You're talking as if like you have no control over whether you guys flirt or not.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Okay. And when you say dating, what do you mean?
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
It's like, oh, well, he's flirting with me. I guess we're flirting and I have to flirt back. And that's all your ego. Again, the same person who was more worried about preserving the flirting than how this guy treated you was your first reaction. You allowed your ego to step in and dictate your actions, and you're still allowing your ego to step in and dictate your actions.
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And it is not giving a shit about your character or your heart. And now you are in this very toxic, very messy situation. And the truth is, is that when he told you that he talks about you in therapy, that made you feel good. You liked it. You guessed it. And this guy knows what to say about you. You are allowing yourself to be manipulated. You're not stupid, obviously. You're playing dumb.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
I don't know. You tell me, come on. Come on. How, how do you think if you, if your life depended on it, like what would you, yeah. Like if your life depended on it, how would you, how would you stop the flirting from happening? Like you said, you can't control his actions. You have no control over what he does. You have a job to do.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Sounds like there's some minor inconveniences as it relates to how you have to interact with this person. That has nothing to do with how you two interact, communicate, and whatever inappropriateness that's going on in this relationship. How do you stop that?
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Okay. And I mean, that's the start, but I don't, I don't think you need to let him know it's wrong. You're two adults. You both know. And honestly, you saying it's wrong is only going to like both you're, you're both going to get off on it. You can just tell him what you are going to do or more specifically not do. You don't need his permission. This isn't a negotiation. You could just stop.
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You could stop reacting. You could pull him aside and said, this has gone on long enough. You're getting engaged. Let's keep it professional. We're not friends, you know? So like, act accordingly and please stop reaching out to me outside of work. Like this has gone on long enough and, and stop. Does he have any position of power over you as it relates to your work?
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
OK, so I don't think you need to go as far as to make any type of threats. But like, you know, if you need to go a step further, but you should make this guy when the first time you talk with him, you should go just short from letting him know that like this is inappropriate. It needs to stop. It needs to stop immediately. And you're not interested in having a conversation about it.
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And if he doesn't respect your wishes, then you could say, Hey, listen, man, like I, you know, I've already asked you to stop. So one more time, I'm going to ask you one more time before I ask someone else.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Okay, well, good. Because from where I'm sitting, you're embarrassing yourself. He's not embarrassing you anymore. He embarrassed you once. He told you the truth. And then going forward, you allowed your ego to keep embarrassing you. And your ego will do that.
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Your ego will not want to feel embarrassed and not give a fuck about how you embarrass yourself for the sake of trying not to embarrass yourself. I don't know if that even made sense, but I think you get what I'm saying.
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The way you, you're, you're not the victim here. Listen to your talk. You're just like, you're, it's like a fun gossipy story that I'm sure if you told some of your girlfriends, I'd be like, yeah, fuck that guy. And I can't believe it. But like, come on.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
already is yeah the moment you allowed him to get his way and have you at his convenience that was embarrassing for you props for him for admitting it but like you should immediately i cut this off been like you should have been appropriately mad been like well that's fucked up thanks for letting me know but like no we don't get to be friends like i'm not someone like i'm not hanging out
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
I would never do anything, obviously. You become... Yeah, but, like, it's still inappropriate. You know it's wrong. You know that she would be pissed. And he... And he gets off on it.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Yeah. But like you're doing stupid things, you know, and you're smart.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
the thought process is going on here yeah yeah it's it's yeah needs to wrap up how long has it been going on um couple months yeah we'll sort it down thankfully it's only been a couple months and get this narrative he's not bread he's not bread crumbing you he's just using you yeah which is not a good feeling No, but you're letting it happen. It's kind of your fault.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
He made it pretty clear actually. And you were like, okay.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Makes sense. Well, you know, you're human. No problem.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
No, I mean, that's why I'm here. Yeah. So just put a stop to it. You don't need to like threaten him to tell his girlfriend or fiance. That's his problem. He's not, he's not going to marry. He's not going to marry this girl, by the way. I think you should do some exploring into why you got caught up in this mess.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Because the more you talk about this, the more it's like, what the fuck were you doing? And you're way too invested in this guy. And even after I tell you to cut this off, and even if you actually listen to my advice, you're going to have a hard time doing it. And you're going to still be thinking about him in the relationship because that's his human nature. And you should ask yourself why.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Well, actually, I wouldn't ask yourself why. Are you in therapy?
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Have you been talking to a therapist about this at all? Period?
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Alright, well... I got to go, but yeah, but listen, you, you have a lot going for you. You got a job, you're a beautiful person. You know, I'm glad you're in therapy, but like you're in a toxic situation that you've allowed to put you that you've put yourself in. You very much are co-conspirator in this whole situation. You're doing stupid things.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
You're not a stupid person and you're wasting a lot of mental energy on people, not worth your time. And, and I would explore that with your therapist.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
I know, but I want you to address it so you don't get yourself into another one in the future.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
And reread your text before you send it. You're not negotiating. You're not asking him. There's no we. You are done with this. You would like him to stop. Period.
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I'm on it. Seriously, I'm on it. Thank you. I appreciate you guys. All right. Bye-bye.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
So you showed up at his party for 12 minutes. He said hi. Some other woman pulled him away. You left abruptly and you never heard from him again?
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What do you mean stupid that he would be interested?
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
You mentioned, you said earlier, he's checking all the boxes. How many boxes are on this list? Cause you've only said hot and successful multiple times.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
So, I mean, listen, to answer your question, are you dating a fuckboy or you're a dream man? It doesn't sound like you're dating anymore, so there's that. Yeah. And yeah, he definitely sounds like a fuckboy. Every fuckboy eventually becomes somebody's dream man. The way you're going about it is more about trapping a fuckboy, though, rather than...
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
meeting your dream man so i think both in terms of the feedback you're getting from friends i think both can be true the great gatsby of it all the comment about his boner the fact that you had to say three times you're looking for a mutual connection and you seem to keep insistingly trying to hook up with you inviting you him to your house on the second date you know these all give
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fuck boy energy, you know? And then again, like he's not going to stop being a fuck boy until he meets someone who makes it worth his while, kind of until he meets his equal, so to speak. You don't see yourself as his equal, which is a problem for you. You're a dream man. is not gonna be someone that you think internally, he's too good for me. That's not your dream man. That's a good lay.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
It's a good story. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's a good time. That's not your dream man. You won't feel good about that. They won't feel good about that. No one wants to be with someone who thinks they're not good enough for them, you know? And eventually, as exciting as it is to be with someone that you fantasize about being with and never imagined you could be with,
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If you still continue to feel that way, you're going to feel less than in the relationship that you're in, right? And that's not why we're in a relationship is to constantly feel like, oh my God, is this person going to leave me? Why are they dating me? You don't date people to constantly question yourself and to instigate your insecurities, right?
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
So a lot of that feedback is more based off around... I imagine when this first started, it was very exciting. You had a crush on this guy, got to talk to your friends, and he pursued you, and yada, yada, yada. But at some point, you've got to stop using your language to describe yourself as this kind of toxic, insecure person, and you either have to say...
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There's a reason why this person reached out to me. You mentioned you lost 100 pounds, you know, so I'm guessing your insecurities come from, you know, some body image issues, but you did lose 100 pounds. I'm assuming you feel good about that. You look great to me, you know, like, so at what point did you give yourself the credit for all the work you did to get in the shape that you wanted to be?
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Or are you still looking in the mirror and seeing the girl, the woman who hasn't lost the 100 pounds?
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
I don't know. I mean, I'm not sure. What do you mean? Why would someone be interested? What do you mean? Finish the thought.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
Send Justin some pictures of this guy. I want to see what this guy looks like.
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E859 Ask Nick - Is He Hot or Just 6’3’’
He looks like a guy. I mean, he's fine. I'm not trying to talk shit about this guy. He looks like a guy. He looks like a guy. And if he wasn't 6'3", you know.
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I don't know what to say, blah, blah, blah. But there has to be a reason why. You have to talk to him like you're very confident in what you're saying. As opposed to like, what did you say? It's just like, I know that reaction was you being afraid of me finding something. I don't know what that something is, but I am confident that your reaction was that.
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Because it's just, I know you too long to know that you don't act that way if you're not in trouble.
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I mean, like your initial reaction, that's irrelevant. Like, fine. I wouldn't worry about like, oh, I wish I would have reacted this way. I mean, you could have gone through his phone, but whatever. But in terms of how you react, like letting it go for a few weeks, you can bring, you know, you're married. You can bring it back up. Yeah.
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I mean, ultimately, I would I would downplay the call because honestly, I'm not really like we're not I'm not offering that much advice here other than just like trust your gut and see it through and have confidence in what your body is telling you. Right. And. I'm not trying to put words in your mouth or anything like that.
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But if, if your gut tells you like, that was really a weird behavior, you just, you know, you have to say it like that is, I know that's not the response I would get. If you didn't want me to see something, I just don't know what that something is. And you saying it's nothing. And you were just, it just, I know that's not true that much. And you say like that much. I, I know that's not true. So,
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I won't lose this feeling until you give me something else other than like making it seem like I did something wrong by going through your phone. And again, I shouldn't have gone through your phone, but like that reaction was like just off.
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And you just have to like, you got to be very confident about saying that so that he decides to, you know, realize that like, she's got me, you know, so to speak, you know, it's like, yeah. Type of thing where then he hopefully will admit to it. And then, you know, again, depending on, you know, fuck, you don't know what he's going to say.
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So it's hard to make any promises about how you're going to react. But you could say something like, listen, whatever it is, I mean, and you can make a joke. I hope like, well, well, you know, we've been through a lot. Well, we'll hopefully get through that. You know, we'll get through this. But like, let's just, you know, you just got to tell me. You just have to let me know.
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Because making it seem like, that was a normal reaction to me going through your phone is just not it.
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And like, yeah, but even like if you had a bad day, I'd be like, why are you going through my phone? It's so annoying. Like, like you don't, you know, it's just, again, you were there. I wasn't, but we know what guilty people look like. You know, we know when someone's startled and like, they're afraid of like, oh,
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Well, this doesn't have to be complicated. You know what I'm saying? It doesn't matter. I don't know. Good with words are not good with words. You're just like, listen, I know you. I know that reaction I saw. It doesn't make sense. And there's nothing you can say to change my mind on that because I know that there is something you're not telling me. You know what I'm saying?
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Like, blah, blah, blah. It really doesn't matter what he's saying because you're just like, I... I'm not an idiot. Like, I know it in my bones that, like, that reaction was not the reaction of someone who was just annoyed that his wife was going through his phone. That was a reaction of someone who thought they got caught.
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See, that's the difference between like, again, can you see as a question? That's you asking him, can you see? And then Mr. Good with words can be like, well, no, I mean, because blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Then he can come up with some sort of other example or analogy as to why you don't make sense and he does. You're just like, listen, it doesn't make sense. I know this, right?
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Like that's the language you need to use because that's what you're confident in. And you're not giving him a chance to explain himself out of this jam. You're just simply saying, you can tell me, you can not tell me. And I don't know if it's something that's stupid as you like searching for a pair of boobs and you just felt stupid, like, because, you know, you don't want me to like, I don't know.
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Maybe it was like he was watching some porn and he was worried about like the Google history because like some of these porn names are like, have, you know, I don't know, maybe just felt a little embarrassed and silly. And you could say, I don't know, maybe it's something silly that you just felt embarrassed by, but either way, there's just something you're not telling me.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
And that's the thing, you have to make statements, not questions. If you want me to get over this, then you're just going to have to tell me the thing that you're not telling me.
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You can't promise that. Be like, listen, you just say, we've been through so much. We've gotten through a lot. I hope you at least give me a chance for us to work through whatever it is, because I don't even know if it's silly or serious, but it's something.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
Yeah, because you're right. You do want to create some kind of safe environment to tell you the truth.
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Cause like I've talked, you know, you're married with kids. So, you know, people, kids, they get through a lot. I mean, you know,
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Worst case scenario, he's fucking some other woman, right? Like, obviously that would, you know, and there's an emotional, and that would be terrible. And you might want to leave that relationship, but also like, maybe you're, you know, I don't know. Maybe, maybe you decide to, you know, reflect on the past relationship, your past couple of years.
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And since you've had a kid, you're, you know, and again, it's not okay. I'm just saying like, you don't know what you're, you don't even know what you're even willing to work on because you just don't know. And until you face something like that, you just don't really know what you're willing to do or not do, you know? Right. You can say, listen, we have a family together.
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My first choice is always going to be figure this shit out with you. So I just need you to tell me because this sucks.
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Constantly knowing that you're not telling me something and not knowing if it's something like you watched a weird porno that I would just kind of tease you about and you just got embarrassed and that's why your reaction was that or it's something that's going to be harder for me to swallow and really hurt me. I don't know, but
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maybe that's the way you can convince them because you're, I'm thinking the worst and maybe it's this. And the hope is it's like, again, something that's more embarrassing for him rather than he's actually doing something wrong. And so you're just like, I, you know, cause I'm thinking of the craziest shit.
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So I just, you're telling you again, that the thing that you'd have to just repeat over and over with confidence is that, you know, there's something he's not telling you. And it's that simple.
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So like that's like couples that are, you can jump, you know, could jump back in a couple, you know, cause listen, it's a good, a good, good time to maybe jump back in. There's clearly a disconnect. Right. So, you know, yeah.
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And maybe, I don't know, maybe you guys will be able to unpack some stuff in couples therapy that will, you know, I don't know, maybe, maybe there's a world we're telling the truth. I don't know, but you know, you feel how you feel. Your body's usually only always right. I don't know you, but I'm getting the sense that you don't have like a history of being an overly paranoid person.
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Have you convinced yourself of things in the past that ended up being not true? Like, do you create problems in your head?
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I don't mean bigger than they are. I just mean like there's a, no, I'm not talking about exaggerating a story. I'm talking about literally like when people always ask, what's the difference between like following your gut and being crazy? And I always say like following your gut or listening to your body is responding to a feeling or something that's happening that
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And being crazy is just like making up scenarios in your head. Like your boyfriend, your husband's out past, you know, a little late than usual. And you just decided he was probably with another woman or something. You know, it's just like, it's going nine steps further, you know, type of thing.
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Well, again, maybe it's not, right? Again, back to this OnlyFans analogy. I'm not telling anyone who's listening what to think or feel about this, but, like, a married guy who's married his high school sweetheart, had a kid together, watching porn, or, like, you know, it's not the... It's like... Not the end of the world, right? Nope.
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But like, it might make your partner feel a little insecure or embarrassed and he might feel a little silly about it. And yeah, it could definitely be something like that. And he's thinking like, you know, his reaction was body was that embarrassment. And then he doesn't want to, you know, so like definitely, definitely could be something like that. It probably is.
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You know, but your point is it's something and he is trying to pretend that he was, you know, being, you know, he wanted to maintain where he was when it's going for real. Like, okay, I guess. Yeah. It sounds bullshit. It just sounds like bullshit.
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Yeah, and again, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but if that is how you feel, be confident in your feeling and yeah, just calmly just be like, you know, if you want me to get over this, then you're going to have to give me something other than making me feel like I'm crazy.
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Just be like, I know you're not telling me something. I just don't know if that something is like a silly thing where I'm going to roll my eyes and you just felt a little embarrassed or if it's bigger than that. And you know, it's something we're going to really have to work through. I don't know, but it is something and I'm confident about that.
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Okay. He was just like, why are you going through my phone? Yeah.
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As of four days ago. Okay. So just to recap, you were married. You had an affair. That marriage ended. Was your boyfriend that you dated the person you had the affair with? Or is that someone else?
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About two years into your relationship with your ex-boyfriend, he found out about your affair.
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And how did he find out and why did it take two years?
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Gotcha. So I guess back to my original question is like, I guess, why didn't you, when you got into your relationship with your ex-boyfriend, I mean, every time we meet someone, right. There's always like, we, there's at some point, you know, a little bit of like, tell me about your past. Right. You know,
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Rosters, whatever history, have you ever cheated on someone? Yada, yada, yada. Did that ever come up or like, did you avoid the question or, or what stopped you from just saying, Hey, I got, there's something I need to tell you.
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And what's happened since then? Like, has the vibes changed? Is it still like eating away at you?
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Yeah. And obviously your ex-husband is still in the picture since you still share children together, yeah?
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And how did your ex-boyfriend, what was his relationship with your ex-husband?
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Well, I mean... Usually gentle people don't file restraining orders constantly.
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Let me rephrase the way you're describing it. It sounds like, in your words, these are obviously confrontations, but they're just disagreements amongst two people, and they seem fairly petty, and they were dropped. It seems like your ex-husband was using it more as a tactic to fight this guy in a way rather than protect a restraining order. Was your husband in any way thinking he was in danger?
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And what's your relationship with your ex-husband now?
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You mentioned you wanted to protect your relationship with your ex-boyfriend. I get in the sense that you justify lying because you tell yourself you're protecting yourself or something or the classic line that has always been triggering for me, I didn't tell you because I didn't want you to get mad. I didn't tell you because I knew you would be upset. I didn't tell you because of...
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As if there's a justification for lying. And I think you seem very, that that is a, I don't know, a default or something I think you've become very comfortable with. Would that be accurate? Yeah.
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What do you mean you deserved empathy and from who?
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You were married, you had an affair, you got divorced. Then at some point, the man you had an affair with, that relationship ended. How much time between that did you meet your boyfriend?
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Okay, yeah. Are you pretty uncomfortable being alone?
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I mean, listen, your question was, should I be still paying for my affair or something to that effect, right?
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If it feels like you're still paying for it, it's because you've never really faced it. You've never really dealt with it. That's what I'm hearing. You had an affair. Your ex-husband found out he wanted to work on it. You didn't. You left a relationship. A month goes by. That's no time at all. You probably weren't even divorced by the time you met your ex-boyfriend, right?
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Like I'm guessing you were just separated. You weren't even fully divorced. So like you're already in this new relationship. I'm guessing you didn't really do the work to really understand that. What caused you to do what you did? Yeah, you could sit there and tell me you felt unseen, alone, whatever. Clearly, the relationship wasn't healthy.
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But again, you made the choice to have the affair as opposed to dealing with the issue in your relationship. And so it's understanding why you made those choices. In life, we either make healthy choices or unhealthy choices. Every choice that we make usually is one of the two. Like even our healthy choices sometimes don't work out, but like we often make choices that don't serve us.
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You know, for example, a lot of our choices around happiness, right? Is that happiness short-term happiness? Is it long-term happiness? Is it happiness that we, you know, an orgasm, I guess, happiness, but like, will that orgasm last beyond five minutes past the sex? You know, that's maybe a bad analogy, but you get what I'm saying, right? So
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I'm getting the sense from you, you make a lot of unhealthy choices, you know? And sometimes unhealthy choices compound and snowball because it's just, we're trying to mask a previous choice that didn't pan out. And so then we rush into another choice, et cetera, et cetera. You have not faced the fact that you had an affair.
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And if you met a new guy tomorrow, do you even know how you would handle that conversation?
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Yeah, and also now he has the benefit of, if he were hiding something on Instagram, now he has the benefit of maybe covering his tracks, so to speak, deleting search histories and things like that, changing his algorithm, maybe, I don't know, messages. And by the way, the saying, do you want to be right or do you want to be happy, is not meant to ignore your body or ignore your instincts.
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Yeah. Well, that's a step in the right direction. But yeah, I mean, you have to be able to own what you did, first and foremost. It happened. You did it. It was a mistake. You sound regretful, but the solution to that mistake isn't to lie about the mistake and pretend it didn't happen because you're afraid other people will judge you. I mean, listen, people are going to judge you.
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You're not the only one who's had affairs. People have affairs. Your next partner may have also participated in an affair, or maybe they've also been cheated on. You can't guarantee if someone's going to accept you.
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I can promise you that if your goal is to meet a person and be in a healthy relationship with a generally emotionally healthy person, their willingness to accept you won't be based off of whether you had or hadn't had an affair. It will be how you talk about your decisions and how you got to where you are today.
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So that if you, let's say, had an affair, people are going to want to know, are you that person who had the affair? To be honest, you're probably not too much different today than the person who had the affair with your husband.
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Yeah, exactly. Because it's not like you didn't know that affair was wrong when you were having the affair. And I'm guessing at times you felt guilt about the affair when you were having the affair. So it's not like, oh, I know it's wrong now. You know what I'm saying?
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Whatever broken part of you caused you to make those unhealthy and toxic choices sounds like it's pretty still broken, right? And so the answer to your question is like, well, I have to keep paying for my affair. Well, the answer is yes, until you really... decide to really deal with this. And, and it sounds like you very much are on the right track.
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You know, it's like, you don't have to not give out your number, but yeah, like I think you have to be, I mean, for the time being, I think it's good that you are alone. I mean, your relationship's four days old, you know, like. Yeah. And you have three children. You're clearly not alone. It may not be the type of companionship I know you're looking for.
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But honestly, hard to be that present of a parent when you're spiraling this hard emotionally. Yeah. And I have a lot of close people in my life who have parents who never figured their own shit out in their relationships. All of those kids who are now adults. at times, feel very alienated by their parents. And I empathize with their parents because it's like their parents never found it, right?
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They never found the thing that they were looking for. They have a handful of broken relationships after broken relationship because they never really dealt with it, right? And the person and the parent in that scenario kind of always feels justified because they feel like, well, I just haven't found it. And then their kids get older, right?
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And boy, what happens if their kids are in a healthy relationship? Then the parent almost feels like, well, you're good. I still want to find what you found. And then, but that, but that child who's still in a, who's now an adult, right.
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Still wants a parent to be present, to be there, to not, not feel like, you know, what you don't want is when your kids get older to feel like they're the adult and you're the, and you're the child. Cause mom's still trying to figure out her shit.
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Yeah. Well, also, I mean, maybe now is the time to really just be a mom and really be present with your kids and not wonder if you're going to find love or think about your relationship problems or think, you know, just really, you know, be a mom right now. You know, like, yeah, it would be nice to have that companionship, but you like, clearly you're clearly someone who's your problem.
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Just because like, you know, that doesn't mean being avoidant for the purposes of avoiding finding out various truths. It's more about like the need to feel right and be right and win an argument over the sake of like just to be right. So just to be clear there. Yeah. That being said, I mean, like, you know, he is your husband. It doesn't sound like you have any plans on leaving him.
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Isn't having boyfriends or, or finding men. That's not your problem. It's I'm guessing you've probably had boyfriends or men in your life. Most of your life.
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So, you know, and that's always, you know, like a lot of these examples, it's not like, yeah, it's never someone who has a hard time finding people. It's the people they find or how they handle themselves in the relationship or their propensity or willingness to lie or cover or avoid the real issues and things like that.
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So your boyfriend breaking up with you sounds like it was the best thing for you. It doesn't sound like that was a very healthy relationship.
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you know these restraining orders that your husband issued on this guy yeah sound weird and maybe he was like frivolous but like i don't know the way you you described your ex-boyfriend as a very aggressive person and i'm guessing maybe they he he didn't help the situation either then coupled with the fact that he had his own and lies yada yada yada it took him breaking up with you Right. Right.
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And like, you know what I'm saying? Like you got to stop that shit. You got to stop putting yourself and ultimately your kids in these situations. And you're just, you have to be a tougher critic on yourself, you know? And I think my guess is you've probably fallen victim to,
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to this need of attention or whatever it is and that has been your motivation and you've painted yourself as a victim at times in these situations because maybe you did feel lonely or you felt unseen or lost or scared or whatever and these are all valid feelings
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But you weren't looking, you weren't willing to take a look at yourself in the mirror to understand why you're having these feelings and the role you were playing in these feelings. You would just look to mask those feelings. And obviously part of that was like the affair or, and even maybe this boyfriend, why you chose this boyfriend, you know, maybe mask certain things.
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So like now is like hopefully a wake up call to be alone right now. focus on being a mom, work on yourself, invest in yourself, like really just take a step back, like start making healthier choices. And then when you do get back into dating, date very slow and like listen to your body.
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And like, you need to understand what it feels like when you have that need for attention and to be able to identify that and things like that. But Have you had some past trauma as a child? What was your relationship like with your parents? Is there some childhood stuff you need to unpack with your therapist? Because I'm guessing there usually is with people.
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Yeah, I mean, who knows why it's quote-unquote better now. Maybe it's better because you've made certain concessions or something. I don't know.
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Well, I mean, it makes sense. And again, like you're starting to see this stuff. So you're not so far gone. And then listen, like when it comes to this stuff, like, You always got to look for the silver lining. You said you're 33.
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I mean, you're still really young, but you know, obviously women have to think about their biological clock and maybe you want more children, but you have three children. So in terms of working on yourself, you have all, you know, You have time, right? Yeah. So you can be patient with yourself. But you have a chance here to really change some really bad behaviors in the past.
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It sounds like your goal here is to work through this feeling that he gave you. So you do have to figure this out with your husband, you know, and work through it with him. At that point, you probably, you should have just gone through it. I mean...
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And you have a chance here to really change some generational trauma when it comes to your family.
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Up until now, you've done nothing but to continue these bad choices and this trauma. And that's why I think you really need to see this breakup as a blessing. And I know you're sad and you're grieving, but you really need to...
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see what i'm seeing hopefully as like a hopefully a new start and if you really feel like this this affair is still uh hanging uh the shadow hanging over you understanding why that is is a big first step because again you you still haven't you're still that same kind of broken person that felt the need to have an affair when her needs weren't being met when you couldn't find happiness inside your marriage you you you made a toxic choice rather than a healthy choice
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But why do you what do you mean you don't know?
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And what are you scared? Are you like literally scared of him? Are you scared about how you feel about him and you're willing to enforce a boundary with him?
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But you've been paying the rent for the past couple months, can't you?
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And his reaction was very much like, what are you doing? Explain to me why his reaction in your mind was more than him just getting upset that his wife was like going through his phone. Because, you know, that in itself, any partner has a right to be like, why, why are you like, like, why are you snooping into my shit? You know? But like, he didn't ask it like that. I'm guessing. Right.
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I mean, my advice to you is look into every solution you can to try to protect yourself from him having access to come into your room. And if it's... Reach out to your landlord and understand the process. My boyfriend and I signed a lease together. We're not dating. He still has a key.
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Without giving too much away, just be like, what does that look like trying to... He doesn't live with me anymore, but he is on the lease and he has a key. Can I change the locks? How do I... He's come in before. I just need to protect myself type of thing. What does that look like? Understand your options.
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And then I'm guessing you feel like if you were to just reach out to him to say, hey, I'd like to get you off the lease, you're thinking he wouldn't want to do that so that he could still barge in whenever he wanted to. Yeah.
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Because at that point, if he's like banging or being loud, then you can call the police or whatever. And like, then maybe you're in a position to, you could file a restraining order, you know, like that if you needed to.
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And I just hope he's not operating with the assumption that he's protected.
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When was the last time he showed up at your place?
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At least he knocked on your bedroom door. Well, listen, you got to deal with this ex-boyfriend shit first so that you're not like constantly worried about him showing up. Because like, obviously, how can you start healing when you're still like dealing with this toxicity? So that's priority number one is to try to figure that situation out. And then you need to heal from your whole life.
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He didn't say, like, why are you doing that? Like almost like, like almost a confused, like, why are you like, what? Like, why? Huh?
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You really need to be alone and heal and deal with this affair and heal from this affair and understand why you made those choices and really take your time. And really, yeah, I would put men and relationships on the back burner for, for a while.
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And I'd really focus on yourself, focus on your children, focusing on mending your relationship with your ex-husband, not, you know, for the sake of co-parenting, you know, just really just try to have a healthy relationship with him in a way that's civil, you know, just try to bring peace into your life with the people who are in your life, your parents, you know, obviously this doesn't mean like
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giving in to certain things or accepting bad behavior, you still want to have your boundaries, but you have no peace in your life. It's just all turmoil. And you are the constant here, right? So you need to sit back and understand what's causing you to put yourself in these situations and really try to heal. And I would take all the time you need.
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And in the meantime, I would really immerse yourself into being a mom and being present for your children and and showing up for them constantly and having them see a mom that doesn't have drama in her life constantly. Your kids, you know this, right? They're smart. They're intuitive. They need to see a healthy, new, happy mom.
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And if I were you, that would be all I cared about for the next, I don't know, several years.
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So hopefully this was helpful. I'm sorry you're going through this. It's a tough situation, but this can be a turning point in your life, you know, and I would take it very seriously. Otherwise, fast forward, you know, it's a blink of an eye. You're going to be in your 50s or 60s.
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And you don't want to be the person who has simply three more ex-boyfriends and then your kids are all adults and they're just like, yeah, mom, she's just a fucking mess when it comes to men. And then you're still bringing men drama into your life when your kids are just looking for a mom to maybe... enjoy their grandchildren or things like that.
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You're very young, but figure it out now because you still have a long life ahead of you to have a very peaceful and happy life. And this could be a turning point in your life. And you can look back at a life that used to be full of turmoil, but you've really turned a corner. And you have control over this.
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You can do it, but you have to hold yourself accountable and just face the reality of the situation and stop running from it.
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Yeah. And you're in therapy now, you mentioned?
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And what conversations are you having with your therapist now?
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Yeah. I would want for you to unpack why you make some of the choices that you make. You know, I would want you to, I still, you know, it's not like it's not, I don't want you to relitigate the past or ruminate over past relationships, but you, you do need to understand why you make some of these choices a little bit better than I think you do now.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
Life is all about, especially emotional maturity for me, you know, my definition, I don't know if it's an accurate one, but life happens, situations happen. And like I said before, you know, we feel, you know, happy, sad, triggered, whatever. We cannot control our feelings about a situation.
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Our feelings are very kind of in the moment reaction, but how we react to those feelings makes a huge difference between like toxic people and healthy people, mature people and emotionally immature people. And the more mature and emotionally regulated and healthy people make healthy reactions to these feelings. And so it doesn't matter if they're depressed, happy, or sad.
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They make less reactive choices. They make choices that not only serve them well in the short run, but also serve them well in the long run and things like that. Because right now, you're making choices and it's all... You're just... It's all about masking a problem. You feel pain, you make a choice to try to solve that pain. You're playing catch up. You're just reacting to the last moment, right?
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
And that's how you get into these situations. But you need to be able to take a step back and, again, process your feelings. If it's with a therapist, I'm feeling this. I would normally react to this. I don't want to make the same type of choices again.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
And really get better at that and get better at removing yourself from drama, not seeking it out, you know, seeking out peace, you know, and yeah, I would take your time.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
I appreciate you. I appreciate you as well. Sorry, going through this. I would love for you to keep checking in and give us an update. But again, remember prior number one, deal with your shit with this ex-boyfriend. Whatever you have to do to keep yourself safe, make yourself safe. So that's not something that you have to always look over your shoulder.
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And then once that's done, really take the time to heal, do the work you need to do, focus on yourself, be a mom. And then over time, you can look for love.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
Okay. And when he says his family back, does that mean like you and- And our daughter. And your daughter.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
Okay. And then how did you find out he got his hinge hookup pregnant?
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And when he says he wants it back, why did he lose his family in the first place?
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And just out of curiosity, why are you even, I mean, I love that I get to meet you and I get to talk to you, so don't take this the wrong way, but why are you even calling me and asking my opinion about this as opposed to just being like, no.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
Well, I mean, listen, I don't think it's any more gone than it was before. And him getting someone else pregnant, that really doesn't change the equation. What I mean by that is just like, I mean, honestly, it's kind of a blessing, you know? Because, you know, two things what I'm hearing from you is, one, listen, when... It is nice to know we're missed. There's that, right?
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
It is nice to know people regret fucking up with us. You know, the dangers of that is even though our egos love it, it's nice to hear, but it doesn't necessarily mean that we should do anything differently. And then also like, just like the idea of just wanting your family back. I'm hearing you want your family back, but you don't necessarily want him back. And I get it. Listen, like,
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
I mean, you know, especially when you have kids together, I, you know, trust me, I know I can, I can only imagine. I certainly can imagine what you're feeling.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
I know how you react to things. That was a reaction of someone who like was startled or like kind of felt like they got caught doing something. My gut just tells me like, I'm not saying you were cheating. I don't, you know, like God forbid, but like whatever the reason, like there, there was a reason you reacted that way. And yeah,
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
Well, he's pleading because you, he knows that you, you've forgiven him in the past, you know, and he knows that you still, you know, you still want this. Right. But like, you have to, I guess what I'm trying to say is, You know, listen, you have your daughter, right? Like, and it's not the ideal situation.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
You didn't expect that you and your daughter would be in the situation when you had your daughter with this man. And obviously you wanted to have the family, but you're still a really young woman, you know, and you do have your daughter, which is obviously a blessing. And you did get yourself out of a bad situation and you need to be proud of yourself for that.
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And you still have time to find your family, you know? Certainly it didn't, you know, it's not what you planned for yourself, but nothing goes as planned in life. You know, like the alternate, like for you, there's a different timeline or universe for
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where you could be a single woman who's never been married or never had a child, never had a partner, and you could still be looking for your family. Maybe you would be a little nervous because you have your biological clock and you haven't had children yet and you're in your 30s and yada, yada.
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But you could still be this optimistic person looking for their person and just know they want to have a family. But it's like almost now that you've had a daughter, which again, I'm I'm assuming is this beautiful blessing and you love, it's almost like you feel like it's all been ruined. in a way, right?
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
So you just have to stop, you have to change your perspective and that, you know, it's just like, I have my daughter, period, great. Like I love, I have my daughter, you know, to think anything else would, you know, to wish things would have played out differently would in some ways mean I don't have my daughter and I wouldn't want obviously to trade her for the world, right?
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
So just, I have my daughter and this kind of, you gotta focus on that, you know, Who you had your daughter with, yeah, didn't pan out, right? But you still, again, have your youth, right? And you got out of a bad situation. And that relationship just did not make you happy. He was constantly not making you a priority, taking you for granted, lying, doing whatever it is he was doing.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
And then you had to deal and clean it all up. And now you don't have to do that anymore. And I get wanting to have that family back, but you gotta let go of that mindset because you never really had the family you wanted. You know, you kind of played house, so to speak, right? And then you had the man and you had your daughter and, you know, it's like, then you called it your family.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
But in terms of what that dynamic was and how healthy it was or wasn't, like you never really, you know what I'm saying? When you imagined your family, you know, before you had your family, I'm guessing you didn't imagine it would be the dynamic that it was, right? Yeah.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
Yeah. So you just have to, you still have to be that person who's like, wants to, you have the right to want that family, that family that you say you wish you had back, you need to first accept that you never had it. So there's nothing to wish for back. And if your ex were to actually do the work and like, you know, he got some, let's say this woman, he got pregnant.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
moves forward and has this child. Okay, whatever. And then your daughter has a half sibling. Okay, great, great. Good for your daughter. Your daughter has... A lot of families have that. Your husband, your ex could still do the work. And I'm not expecting him to, and I don't want you to bank on this.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
the fact that you can't give me an answer that makes sense bothers me. So I don't know what to do. And to say, like, you can just, I don't know, you could say, you could just tell me. You know, at some point, like, that's the thing. It's just, like, you have kind of nothing on him other than this reaction, this gut feeling. Yeah.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
But my point is, if he really did the work and he really changed as a human being and you somehow could have that proof, there's a world where you would take him back. But that's...
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
based off of fantasy that it's probably not going to happen and my point is when i say the kit the this other child doesn't really matter because if you i'm guessing if like god came down and said no he's actually you know yeah he did you know he did get this woman pregnant like fast forward a year like a year and a half goes by and and god wakes you up and says just so you know he's going to be a great partner now i got your back you know god comes down and says guardian angel he's gonna
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
you'd probably wouldn't even, you know what I'm saying? Like, right?
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You would be like, well, I guess my kid has a half sibling, but now he's, you know, so you don't want him. You want a man who will treat you the way you deserve to be treated and prioritize you the way you deserve to be prioritized. And you want a man who wants to have the same type of family dynamic that you crave. And the only thing that's different
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is that you have your daughter, which is a blessing, versus not having a daughter and had you not met this other guy. Does that make sense?
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
So you just have to accept who he is. This is a man who has proven time and time again that despite his pleads and his apologies and his promises, that he never actually changes. And so you just have to accept that and just give up on that idea because you have no reason to keep hoping. And the only reason he keeps trying is because you keep forgiving him.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
And once you can just let that go and just be grateful that you do, despite all his flaws, he still gave you the best miracle you've ever had happen in your life. And just simply be grateful, not for him, but for your daughter. And know that, yeah, like being a single mom has its challenges.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
Certainly even in dating, it has its challenges, but there are a lot of single moms out there that do find love again and find great companionship, but you have to get to a place where you treat yourself better and you have to expect more from yourself and have higher expectations and standards for yourself because that's the only way you're going to attract the type of man that you're looking for is to hold yourself to that standard, to stop
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
Yeah, so I would just, this is a, I think it's a real blessing that you found this out. And I think you really need to say goodbye to him and accept that he is who he is. And I don't want that in my life. And my only focus with him right now is having a healthy co-parenting dynamic. But I don't want this type of energy.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
And he's going to bank on the fact that, like, you'll get over it or there's nothing he can do about it. And let's say that, like, all he was doing was, like,
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
And you need to look forward and you need to start, you know, my guess is probably you should probably be alone for a bit and start asking, you know, again, I don't know if you, are you in any type of therapy or anything like that?
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
I would, yeah. Explore, you know, some of the choices you've made, you know, I would understand why you have a, you try to figure out why you have had a hard time letting go or, or just seeing him for who he is, but you do have a lot going for you.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
And I just want you to start focusing on what you, because a lot of it is it's like, you've, you've been in this mindset of almost kind of, you know, you are a victim of a situation. Don't get me wrong. It's a city situation, but But you kind of led with that, right? And so now it's like, I have this bit.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
And so once we see ourselves as victim of a situation and like life didn't go the way we expected, we almost didn't accept less of ourselves. It's like, oh, well, I mean, I'm in the, I'm in the shitty situation now. So I guess I can only, I only deserve this.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
It's like, you know, like, and right now you're probably thinking yourself is like, I had the family and then I had this shitty guy and I am, you know, I'm now I'm a single mom. So the best I can do is hope he changes.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
You're a beautiful woman. You still have your youth. The best you can hope for yourself is that you find a man who really loves you for who you are and loves your daughter and wants to grow a family with you. And if that means that you're 36 when you find them, then so be it.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
Because in the meantime, you focus on being a mom and really working on yourself and focusing on surrounding yourself with other healthy people and people who do respect your boundaries. And you focus on working on setting healthy boundaries with people and focusing on forcing on those boundaries.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
Looking up some hotties, searching some hotties, you know, maybe he came across like some only fans model and like looked up her Instagram or something and was worried that like you would look at a search history and and see that he searched big titty honey. I don't know. Whatever. Let's assume that's what he did and that's what he's hiding. You know what I'm saying?
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
And the people who don't respect those boundaries, you work on making sure that you distance yourself from those people very quickly and very, you know, rather than using it as opportunity for your ego to be triggered and to try to change them in a way that they might not be willing to change.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
Yeah, but you have to change, you know, it really is about changing your perspective. Just be grateful for your daughter and just be happy she's there. It's not the situation you planned for yourself, but there's still a lot of beautiful things about this. And you still are very young and you still have a lot of life ahead of you. So, you know, just...
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
Make some healthy changes in your life and accept that this situation didn't go as planned, but there's no point in, you know, it's like, I don't know what the analogy is, but sometimes you just got to get rid of something. It's broken. And now you're just sitting in this broken mess, hoping that it's not broken.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
let it go, move on, reinvent yourself, you know, take the, the good pieces from that broke, you know, it's like, take the spare parts. And then your daughter's on a spare part, but there's a lot, again, a lot of beautiful things from this. You take that and throw the rest away. It's these changing these narratives. I want my family back. Again, you never had that, whatever that was.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
It is the narrative is I still hope to find that family that I want in my life. Right now I have my daughter and we have our nice little family, but it's just her and I, and someday I hope to grow that. And I'm gonna grow that, but I need to be patient. I need to make healthy choices. I need to treat myself with love and respect if I expect someone else to treat me with love and respect.
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And since I've had a hard time doing that in the past, that's gonna be my primary concern for the foreseeable future. And the rest, the rest will work itself out because if you really focus on that, it'll, it'll, and then get your, put yourself out there and stretch your comfort zones and things like that. Like that stuff will work itself out.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
But right now you need to focus on how you treat yourself because saying yes to him and, and, and saying yes to believing in him is, and it's also you not loving yourself, respecting yourself, not thinking that you deserve more. It's just, you know, It's being like, this is all I deserve. So I guess this is what I'll take.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
You know, you, you have to change the narrative that I, you do, you, you can still, you, you can make your dreams come true. You know, right now you had this mindset of my, my, you know, my dreams didn't happen. This is what I got. This is what I'm dealing with. No, you got dream big. You still got a dream shoot for the stars.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
You still have to fantasize about having that fairy tale and you can still have it. It's just not going to be the way you played out. You initially, it's slightly changed, but the outcome can ultimately be the same, which is a happy and healthy family and having a partner that you can be a teammate with and have a family together.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
All right. I'm glad I could help. Well, please keep us posted. I'd love an update. I'd love to see what progress you make going forward. Hold yourself accountable. But listen, you just have to realize that you have a lot going for you. And making the same mistakes over and over again is costing you, right?
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
And that if you see the opportunity in front of you, you'll be less willing to waste it, right? And so you have to see it as
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an opportunity you have to see all the possibilities that you you could have in your life and you have to shoot for the stars rather than acting like your life's already over because you know the family that you thought you had is gone and what's the point and i guess i'm just a single mom now and it you know like you got to stop perspective you have to stop acting like that
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Instead of being like, I'm 33. It's just like, yeah, I mean, I'm going to live till I'm 90. So what am I going to do for the next 57 years? Is that my math right? I don't know. You know what I'm saying? But like, you know, 57, someone said you got 57 years. What are you going to do with it? If you think like that, I'm hoping that your decisions would be a lot different.
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But right, you know, a lot of times we're like, well, I'm 33 and I haven't gotten where I thought I would be when I was 33, so what's the fucking point, you know?
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
And that's all you need to focus. I got a five-year-old from that mess and I got a beautiful five-year-old and I got a special five-year-old and I'm so glad I have that five-year-old. And honestly, I would do it over again a hundred times if it got me that five-year-old. but it's all I got from that. And it's a pretty good one.
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And I'm going to say goodbye to it because like the other parts I wanted from it just aren't possible, but I'll take the five-year-old because it's awesome.
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All right. Well, I look forward to a positive update in the future.
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All right. Well, take care. Have a good day. You too. Goodbye.
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And does he know that? You know what I'm saying?
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I only ask because it's like... That would bother a lot of other women, right?
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
But all women are different, right? You're just like, I've known this guy forever. I don't know. Yeah, he likes boobs, whatever. So if you looked up a girl's boobs, I'm not going to freak out. Other women would feel very differently. You know what I'm saying?
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
But do you think your husband... And I only ask because it's like, well, if it's not... If he knows you well enough and knows that that's not big of a deal, why would he freak out? Not to like... I'm not trying to... put dark thoughts into your mind.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
I'm just trying to figure out like, I mean, cause at the other day that you don't have much to go on, right? Like, and how has your relationship been otherwise?
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
Yeah, I mean, so listen, I think you're just gonna have to try to If your instinct, your body, your gut, whatever you want to call it, is telling you that reaction just was not my husband, and it's like that there's something... I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's something as silly as him searching an OnlyFans model, or maybe he was messaging a girl.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
you know on instagram if your instincts tell you like there's something there then you know you're gonna have to keep that conversation going with your husband so he knows you're calling in and asking my advice about this he does yeah because i didn't want to hide it i wanted to be like well how nervous was like and and yeah i mean he seemed to have a bit of a reaction to it like where he did is he like does he know you're on the call now is he like you're waiting he does
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
I mean, you're going to, and that's the thing that the fact that you're calling me and he knows that you're, I suppose in a way he can quote unquote, use that against you and, and then say, well, you know, you didn't think that before you talk to this guy or whatever, I think.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
And what, what comes down to why you're having this call is because again, your gut tells you like that reaction just wasn't normal. And yeah, people who aren't hiding things don't react that way, you know? Um, like, yeah, it's just like, why are you going through my phone? Like that's a normal reaction to like seeing someone snoop through your shit when you have nothing to hide.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
Like, especially when you're your partner, because like you guys should be in a relationship where like, I don't know, Natalie and I, like, just, like, I just, we know each other's passwords. Sometimes, I don't know, like, you know, River might be, like, holding my phone, you know, locked because she just wants, I don't know, she's just holding it or whatever.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
So I'll be like, hey, I need your phone. And we'll use each other's phones for various purposes because, like, I don't know, we just have a lot going on. And I'm like, can I use your phone for a second? I'll go in and whatever. And the assumption is we're not snooping or looking, right? But if we were to see the other person kind of, like, peek, it would be like, why, oof.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
Like, why are you doing that? It was, it would be like, are, is there some, like, you know, it'd be that curiosity of like, are you feeling a little insecure? Am I, you know, it's like, again, it would be like confusion. It would be more questioning. It wouldn't be like, what the fuck are you doing? Like, Oh my God.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
You know, like it's like the reaction of like, you're, you're planning a surprise birthday party. You're getting the room ready. And then someone walks in to like potentially spoil the surprise. And everyone's like, what the fuck? Why, why, why, you know, like, again, you're, you're hiding the surprise birthday party. So yeah.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
I think you just have to stick to your guns if that's how you feel, if that's a real feeling you have, and just articulate that. Just be like, you were definitely hiding something. I think sometimes when people are lying to you, when you are posing that question as like, are you lying? Can you tell me the truth? Did you do this?
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
It tells the person that there is a chance that they, it's like you want to believe that
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
them right you know and you're just asking them you know could you just tell me did you do it like can you just tell me did you say that you know what did you do as opposed to being like listen i know you did this i know you did something you know and i don't you know it's like and more saying it is like i know yeah and and when you want to come around and tell me the specifics you can tell me but like i i'm confident in this field like often a lot of people will cave okay okay
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
So, and again, you don't know the details.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
I would just say, I would rearticulate that kind of what you've already said, which is People just don't react the way you reacted if, you know, and I don't know what you're hiding. Honestly, I'm assuming it's something, maybe it's not even that big of a deal. Maybe you're just afraid I'll get mad. I don't know. Maybe you're, and maybe you can make a joke. I don't, I don't, you know what?
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
You don't want to feed them too many, like, you don't want to give them something to admit to, like, especially if it's something greater. It's like, yeah, yeah, I was doing that. Sure. All right. And you could just say, like, I just know you were hiding something. I can feel it. And the fact that like, it's just like, it just doesn't make sense.
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E920 Ask Nick - Husband’s Secret Instagram
So like, I don't, I know you too well to know that like, if you didn't want me going through your phone, you wouldn't have gotten angry. You would have been more confused. You would have just been like, why are you doing that? But you like, you got triggered. And you looked almost worried. You looked worried. And so what were you worried about? You can keep saying, oh, I don't know what to do.
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E869 Ask Nick - Can I Win Her Back?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
And this like, obviously let them know you'll always be there for them, but like, you're not going to, you're not going to condone or support or look the other way when it comes to his bad behavior.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Yeah. I mean, you know, every family has their issues, you know, every family has their, but be there for your niece. You know, thankfully she has good grandparents. Thankfully, thankfully she has you.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
hopefully someday or she'll have her father the good news is you know his kid's still very young and i hopefully he sees the error of his ways but boy he's met he's missing out on some magical moments yeah my sister-in-law has definitely expressed some concern with the fact that she will probably grow up without a dad but we can definitely have that conversation Yeah.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Well, I'm wishing you and your family nothing but the best. But like, yeah, just do everything in your power and don't and make it your problem.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Yeah, it makes us feel handy. And we connect by building furniture from Wayfair. It's really great. You know, it's like couples therapy.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
And I myself, before I found Headspace, was like, what is meditation? How am I supposed to do it? And what's great about Headspace, it is guided meditation to help you just kind of connect with yourself, whether it's for five minutes a day or a little bit longer.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Okay. And you both acknowledge your misery?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Okay. All right. How long you guys been together?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
When did you start noticing or feeling this incompatibility?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Sure. I mean, I don't know what it's like to have multiple children yet, but are you saying his excitement for being a father is no longer there or something?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Does he want to do a date night with you?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Well, that makes sense. Yeah. You know, but there is balance, you know?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Who wants, who is, who is, is, are either of you leaning one direction more than the other?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
And I guess back to like this, the faking part, like, you know, you mentioned like, you know, okay, I see the difference in like, he's already been a dad before. He's got no problem saying, hey, babe, let's go on a date. The kid's going to be fine. You're just like, you know, like, oh, like, I'm going to be next to my son, you know.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
But other than that, where are some other points of incompatibility or things that make you kind of like checked out of this marriage?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
What part aren't you are okay with? Cause obviously they do have children together. So, you know, it's interesting. Like I was talking to someone yesterday and completely, you know, different story. And, and, but I was just talking about like her new boyfriend, her boyfriend is a dad, you know, recently divorced and, and he's not friends with his ex wife. And I just kind of said like,
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
And she was looking for some advice in terms of how to integrate with this family or whatever. And she has some concerns about her boyfriend's parenting style and his ex-wife because this kid's kind of running rampant. And I just kind of talked about how like, you know, the fact of the divorced or, you know, they don't have to get along as exes, but like they still need to be a team.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
When it comes to parenting this child and the best way to agree with that, you know, so what, what is the part other than like, yeah, what, what, why are you so uncomfortable?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Where do they cross that? Like, Hey, we're, we're a team co-parenting our four children.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
So now she wants to be, she wants to be your friend.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Yeah. Well, I can see why that's a... Right?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Well, I don't know about that part. I mean, so you think she's just waiting for your husband to get divorced so she can have a second chance?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
She could just be lonely. I mean, do you think he would give her another shot?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
And like, as a man, I'm just saying, I don't know. I don't know anything about your husband. Nothing. I'm just usually when we're done, we're done, you know? And sounds like, and as harsh as this might sound to his ex-wife, like the fact that he said he's not attracted to her anymore.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Polly is playing a big role in his lack of interest in her. Um, and usually those things don't just flip on a head. Uh, so regardless of what she wants, and again, I'm making a huge generalization here, but I also feel fairly confident in making it. I, I think you're, you've maybe gotten in your head a little bit.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
I mean, listen, I don't know her. I don't know him. So it's easy. But I really don't think she's a threat to you. And I think she is lonely.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
It would make a lot of sense knowing nothing about your husband if he more or less just didn't care and her presence doesn't irritate him like it irritates you. And it's just like he might... Also, I'm sensing he left her for...
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
So he probably has some empathy and guilt for basically upgrading, you know, and I'm sure that's what, how it feels like for her. And so his reasoning for letting her in or letting her stick around or even infiltrate the friend group. I mean, it would make a lot of sense if it it's mostly around that or because he's married to her 17 years, he just knows she's not a threat.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Sure. And which I totally get. And when it comes to that, everything else aside, because obviously there's a lot to unpack here, but when it comes to that relationship, you might just have to decide to get over it.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Yeah, in a way. I mean, if that is one big issue, if that is a huge issue, then yeah, I would hate for you to leave a situation that... especially if you love your husband and you, you know, you're, you know, you want to maintain the family unit. I mean, the maintain the family unit, like as a new dad, you know, and, and have this unconditional love for my daughter.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
I mean, obviously it's crazy for me to even speculate, you know, because I feel so blessed currently and with what Natalie and I have going on and how we feel about our relationship and the work we put in, but like, God forbid the unexpected happens in the future that we can't predict, you know, it's just like,
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Yeah, I see the motivation parents have for wanting to stick it out for the sake of the family. But like, I don't believe people who are truly miserable are doing anyone any favor by staying in a relationship that doesn't serve them for the sake of kids because, you know, just kids are smart enough to pick up on that.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
That being said, I do think there's a lot of people out there quitting way too early in marriages because like, you know, a lifetime together is just, it's not easy. You know, it's just like, it's, it goes through these various phases.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
But are you willing to challenge yourself? Because it's one thing to say, oh, I'm in this phase, and then fully immerse yourself in this phase, regardless of what this phase brings. And I'm not saying you're doing anything wrong with your son. But listen, I'm a big believer that too much of anything can be a bad thing.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
You know, I truly believe that I think good things are weaponized and abused all the time, you know, but like, yeah, I think it's good for parents to leave their children and come back, you know, right now, like obviously Natalie and I very have this bond with our daughter.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Her bond with river is, is deeper and more connected than mine is just, you just see the mother child, you know, it's there's, there's, there's a literal bond there. You can almost just see it.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Um, I get it. And yeah, when we leave, uh, we're lucky enough to have great help, but, and, and there's been a three or four times where we've left river with her grandparents for a night, one night, one, it was two. It's a hard finale. It's harder finale than it is for me. Uh, But I have to remind her, it's just like River needs to learn that we can leave and come back.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
She needs to, it's healthy to know that, you know, like it's not always healthy just to always be there. It's not, it's like, so it's healthy to miss people. It's healthy to, you know, like. Eventually, your son's going to grow up, right? And eventually, he's going to want some distance.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
And you're not doing anyone any favors by trying to, I guess it's not to say, oh, well, yeah, he's going to get older and distance himself. So I need to get every moment in now. Yeah, I don't know if is the best outlook on that situation. You know, I think it's all about balance. You know, I think it's good to get out for a date night.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
You know, even if even if you might miss a moment with your son.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Suffer. So yeah, no, I get, yeah, that's definitely a different wrinkle.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Is the second jobs like, you know, is that something that's just kind of necessary? Cause you guys have to make ends meet or is it something you're doing for another reason?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Okay. Well, that's awesome. You know, but like, that's, you know, now, now you're faced with some choices, you know?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Yeah. Listen, if you want to make your relationship work, you have to, you know, you have to water that flower, so to speak, too. You know, if you want to make this career work, you have to, you know, it's like you're going to you're just going to have to decide, you know, what's more important. You know, the passion projects could always be there.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
You're you're really young, you know, you know, again, obviously you're making money. So that helps, you know, once you start making money from something and you rely on it, it's like, oh, my God. Yeah. So yeah, you might have some tough choices. I mean, what are some other things that are lack of compatibility with your husband?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Well, that's Natalie and I'm you, you know? So, you know, yeah. I don't know. Yeah, I guess. I don't know. I mean, I don't, maybe I'm not, maybe we're not as much as extreme as you and your husband, but like, uh, I'm sure there are times now they would want, uh, to me more of a tree so she could be the koala bear. And I'm just like, I can't, you know, but I'm always down to hold her hand.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
You know, I'm always like, I love touching my wife and being affectionate, you know, I don't like to be smothered. Uh, and so we were, you know, we kind of worked through that, but like, it's, It's generally not like a problem, but I'm getting the sense from you that you are looking for reasons to want to leave more than you're looking for reasons to stay.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Well, that was my other thing. It's just like, all right. So I hear that he, he would like to have more date nights and quality time with you and you're resistant because of time with your son. Okay. So that's something that he would like you to compromise on that you've been a little resistant to. Sounds like, well, he wants you to compromise too. are either of you willing to meet in the middle?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Are both of you willing to, the fake it till you make it, you've addressed the fact that there's some incompatibility there, but the big question is, are you both willing to acknowledge that the other person has a right to have their needs met and that while what he wants is different than what you want, are you guys willing to compromise?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Are you willing to do some things that aren't your first choice? When it comes to my marriage, it's like we have a lot of things we're really compatible with, a lot, a ton, more than ever I had with a girlfriend. There's also things that we're not compatible with. I have to be willing to do things that I don't want to do sometimes.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Hell, every day, you know, I have to do things I don't want to do sometimes. As an active service person, it is a little easier, I think, for me because it feels like an act of service to make a sacrifice or a compromise for the sake of the relationship. And then selflessly, I get a little value from that. But, you know, to a certain extent.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
But you both have to feel like the other person is willing to compromise. Because if one of you is willing to compromise and the other person's like, well, no, I need all of this. And if you can't give me all of this, then I'm never going to be satisfied. Well, the other person's like, okay, well, I'm just asking for a little. Then that's not going to work.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
I'm guessing for him, it's less about you're not smothering me than like, I just, I want to feel like you love me. Yeah. I want to feel like you need me. We all need to feel needed.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Is he in contact with his... I'm assuming they're divorced now?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Yeah, I would say a bad choice of words. Yeah, for sure.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
That's definitely something you probably should just keep to yourself is like, hey, if I need to be alone, I can fucking do this. Yeah, right. I'll be fine. Yeah, because I think, yeah, I think we all need to be needed. I think society accepts... even maybe too much that women like to be needed.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
So much so that sometimes society decides that women need to be needed, which is that's always the case because like yourself, you know, not always the case, but men need to be needed too. And they want to be desired and they want to be appreciated. We all want to feel like we add value to our partner's lives. I said this to someone yesterday. It's just like,
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
There's a lot of relationships and marriages, you know, and heterosexual relationships where husbands are just kind of treated or seen eventually like useful idiots, you know?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
It's like, you know, because all men, you know, it's just like, leave the cupboards open, do absent-minded shit, you know, like just, I think every husband or man can just do, does, eventually just does a hundred things a day that you could roll your eyes at probably, you know? Yeah.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Um, and then it's, it's easy to be like, Oh God, if you, if you make your husband feel like, and it says to everyone, like, uh, like he's just a useful idiot. He's going to hate you. Eventually he's going to hate you. It just, it just is. Uh, cause no one wants to feel like a useful idiot.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
So his actions tell you that he doesn't need you as much either.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
But do you feel that way or is he saying that make you feel less guilty?
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And so in your world, you would like him to maybe check in on you a little bit more?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Yeah. You know the trick to calling customer services?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
It's not calling up and being like, I need you to do this. If I call up customer service, I'm like, I really need your help. I'm in a really bad situation. I need your help. Everyone wants to feel like a hero. Everyone wants to help someone. There's not a person in this planet who doesn't get a personal good feeling from feeling like they helped someone as opposed to do your job. Right.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
And she does keep in contact with your brother?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
A lot of people are just like, no, you fucking do that job.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
It's like such a condescending, like, you know, you're not talking to your husband. You're, you're talking to a child, you know, you're being his parent. So if it's like, it could, it would be really helpful if you could take out the trash before you go surfing is you're going to get a way better response. Then can you be productive before you go have fun?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
It's night and day. It's night and day. And if every time you asked your husband to do something, it was more like, hey, babe, could you do this for me? As opposed to, you know, just you say it with a little irritation, a little frustration. It's just, it's night and day. I can't stress that enough, especially for men. Men want to be strong and feel strong, but we are often weak. We are.
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All the criticisms that women will say when they get together about men, a lot of them are true. You know, like we are soft, weak, emotional babies. Sure. Yeah.
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But we can do great things when we are supported, you know? So it's like, you know, do you want to see the good in us or do you want to see the bad in us? It's like, it's kind of like your choice, you know?
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And then again, you know, for you, it's like fake a teammate, you know, it's just like, listen, if you don't love the guy, you know, if you don't want to be in a marriage, don't be in a marriage. right? But I am sensing from you some things that are just like general relationship problems, normal marriage issues. And while you could leave your husband and find another guy, no problem.
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And you could find a guy who's night and day different than your husband. And if you find a guy who's night and day different than your husband, I can promise you the first six to 12 months of dating that guy, you're going to appreciate all the differences in the best possible way. You're going to be like, oh my God, my husband never did that. And that's so cool.
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He takes the garbage and blah, blah, blah. And you're going to be so obsessed with all the things that you love about this new guy because your husband didn't do that, right? But then you'll get to know the new guy, you'll settle in, and then you'll just get used to the things you like. And then all the things you don't like, well, you'll start noticing slowly here and there, yada, yada.
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And I'm just saying, like, you're going to have another list of things you don't like about that guy. And you're going to have points of incompatibility you don't like about that guy. And he's going to do things or not do things. And again, I'm not saying, you know, I know very little about your relationship. And like, I can only give you notes by what you're telling me.
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And your husband needs to do his part too. Like, you know, if a marriage is on the rocks, it's going to require two people to at a minimum feel like they equally want to save the marriage. If one person is like, I want to save this marriage and the other person is like, I don't know if I do. You should get divorced. Because at a minimum, you still have to both want to make this work.
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Have you guys talked about couples therapy or you've done couples therapy?
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How many couples therapists have you worked with?
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I mean, yeah, that should never happen. I think it's easy, you know, yeah. It shouldn't be a constant theme because, I mean, you seem like a normal, rational person. You don't even like that he feels that way. And the fact that you've had two therapists and you can even be like, he ends up kind of being like the bad guy. Yeah. Yeah. you know, maybe you need to try a third therapist. I don't know.
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And maybe it is a guy, I don't know. But like, I feel like a good couples therapist plays mediator well, where, you know, there might be a conversation where one person feels a little ganged up on, but that should even out. You should both feel like a good couples therapist makes, makes sure that both people are feeling hurt.
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You know, that there's, there's always two sides to a coin, you know, because if you're both not feeling hurt, then, you know, If one person felt like they win, you both lose. You know, that's not the point of couples therapy. It's not to play referee. It's just to try to be like, all right, you have a point of view. I have a point of view.
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Have you followed up with any random messages from these women?
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We do not get each other's point of view on our own because we're too caught up in being right or feeling heard that we're not willing to listen to the other person who also wants to feel heard. And so a good couples therapist is just making sure they're the ones keeping score.
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you know so to speak not in a winning but just to make sure it's like all right well no we heard your point you know like just to call out people because like sometimes when we get triggered and we you know get in fights and get emotional our childlike brains come out and we're just and we're just fighting and arguing and bickering and a good couple's therapist is just you know like to me that's it but like
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Yeah, your husband has to want to make you feel prioritized. And your husband, despite his guilt around his ex-wife or whatever the reason, he needs to respect some of your concerns. On the flip side, I do feel like what I'm hearing about the ex-wife is you've just decided it's weird and you've decided it's not normal. And based off of that alone, you don't like it.
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even though maybe deep down she's not really a threat and listen like i will say this like you you you married a man who had four kids and an ex-wife you know it's a you it's a blended family and it's not the same as like you know me and natalie have our own beautiful complicated families and we have our own beautiful complicated relationship because everyone does but like yours is is unique in itself where like you know we don't have
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ex-husbands and wives and kids from other families that we have to consider. And that's just something you married into. And the alternative is like, it's better than toxicity. I do feel like despite this irritating you, if it was still the first phase where there was no communication, she fucking hated you. She wouldn't even say your name. It was just always tension. Yeah.
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that would be a nightmare. So, you know, like this is better than that, you know?
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Yeah. But I, I think it could be a lot better if you let it be better. I'm getting the sense that you've just decided it sucks because again, you're just like, I don't, I don't, I just don't like it. I just don't like it.
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have you tried to let this woman in to your life?
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Literally, she's 44. Is she her best version of herself right now?
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Only just to see how she would respond. Like, I honestly like, it's not really about like really trying to play matchmaker with her. I am curious how she would respond to you trying to set her up with a guy.
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And I think that might be an easier approach rather than like sitting her down, have her a cup of coffee and having some sort of like dating intervention with her and be like, why haven't you dated anyone? Almost being like, I know this really great guy who I honestly think you'd be a great match with. And like, would you be interested?
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And just maybe see if that opens up the conversation about her points of view on dating.
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Honestly, yes. Literally. I mean, hopefully you have someone who you can set her up with because like you're like, oh, I didn't think you'd say yes. Just kidding. Yeah. But like, that might be an in, you know?
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But I think right now you're just kind of fucking annoyed. So you're not even going there. You just want her to stop. So it's like, if you're going to stay in this marriage, you just have to accept this situation and make the most of it and work with what you have rather than just stubbornly being like, this is stupid. I don't like it. It either needs to stop or I'm out.
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Like, you know, you definitely can do that. But like, yeah, it is kind of what you signed up for.
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And again, like I get why it's irritating, but if, if that, if, if that's your, one of your biggest frustrations of your marriage, I feel, you know, I don't know.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Well, that's what I'm saying. And I'm glad you can acknowledge that, you know, the combination of knowing you don't need anyone type of thing or just being frustrated. And, you know, I just, I feel like there's a little stubbornness from you.
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I bet there's just a shit ton of guilt and I probably, probably doesn't realize it. And he, you know, you're his wife in a way. So he takes that for granted. Yeah. In a way where it's just like, she needs my help and I abandoned her.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Because he did. He left his wife for his selfish needs. He upgraded to someone he was more attracted to and thought was a better fit for him. And he left her and he abandoned his wife.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Well, to a certain degree, he might not always totally, especially how old are his kids?
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He might, yeah, listen, like he, I don't know, I guess he's not an individual therapy, but like he's, you know, his therapies, surfing is probably his therapy.
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That's great. But he also needs to want to work on his marriage too.
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Yeah. Yeah, it really comes down to, I think you guys need to decide. First of all, I think you got to change your language a little bit, you know? Okay.
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How much, if at all, have you addressed your brother about his behavior?
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Yeah, you definitely need to. And just your guys' delivery with each other, like fake it to your make. I mean, if there's no love there, get divorced. But if this is more like, and I say, because when you say fake it to your make it, it's just, it sounds like you hate each other, you know, like, you know? Yeah.
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Well, sure. But if it's more like, listen, like I, you know, obviously I'm very frustrated at you lately. I still love you. And I still, I want this to work. And I really, I want to do my part. That's the part that you guys at least have to line on. is the desire to make this marriage work and the willingness to do each other's parts.
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And an acknowledgement that both of you have both kind of like selfishly, stubbornly put your foot down, waiting for the other person to go first. And until the other person goes first, you're not going to do your part. That's where you're at now. And you both at a minimum need to at least acknowledge that. And it's just like, whether it's individual couples therapy, more meditation, more surfing.
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And then you need to work, you know, like you probably just need to work on your delivery. And as far as the ex-wife, maybe try to let it go for a period of time. And you could say to your husband, I've decided to like, let it go for these reasons. Cause I just feel like she doesn't have anyone.
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And I, and I really like, I think I've probably just made a little bit too big of a deal about it and it's gotten into my head and I really don't think I have anything to worry about with her. So I've decided to let it go at the same time. I still really need you to please try to just be aware of the fact that I am your wife and she is your ex-wife. I get it.
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You're going to want to like be there for your ex-wife cause you have kids together, but please, please, try to be mindful that I want to feel first. You both need to ask each other, what can I do to go out of my way to make you feel validated or supported or prioritized that I'm not doing a good job today?
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And you maybe both just get to speak freely and the other person doesn't respond with a, I don't know, but you both say, okay, I'm committed to doing that. And you both have to then hold yourself accountable. You know, it's just like, again, it comes down to you're not connected right now. You're at each other's throats. There's a lot of frustration. There's a lot of resentment.
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But do you guys both want to make it work? Because at the end of the day, it's what it comes down to. It's just like, you know, this whole like, oh, well, I, you know, I'm going to love you forever and we're going to be together forever. I mean, I... You got to wake up and want to make it work. It just comes down to that. You just, you have to want to make it work.
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You have to look at this person and go, I want to be with you. And right now you fucking suck, but I want to be with you, you know? And like at a minimum, a marriage needs two people who still want to figure it out and try.
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Because there's not a single marriage out there or relationship that doesn't have points where you're just completely disconnected and at each other's throats and just very frustrated. But you need to have this, at least the desire that this is my person and I want to go out of my way to fix this and make it work. And that has to come from both parties.
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Exactly. So it means like, let's say it's like, can we, we both do that. We need to both stop that again. It's like that we, in us language, you have to start incorporating more than the you and I language.
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And it's again, like I really honestly think it would be a great exercise for you guys to sit down and be like, what's one or two things that you would love me to try to either compromise on or go out of your way that where I'm not meeting your needs today that I could, no questions asked.
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And you both say that without no excuses, no justifications, no reasonings, no just something you're both willing to do.
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And that should be easy, you know, because all you have to do is give a shit, you know, because the whole part of the exercise is doing something you don't want to do or doing something that doesn't come naturally or doing something that isn't just you're doing because you get some kind of satisfaction out of it. Like, you know, again, acts of service. It's just like...
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It's not completely a favor. You get something out of it. It's like, yeah, I want to make you feel loved. I'm doing this, but I feel love by doing things for the people I love. Now, you want to feel appreciated as an active service person when you do those things.
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And sometimes, you know, the problem with being an acts of service person is just like you do those things a lot and then there's often can be overlooked. And the people just kind of, you know, it's like, yeah, that's just something you do, you know? And all of a sudden you're like, wait, when did this become my job? I was doing it because I loved you, you know?
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So there's a little bit of that. That will always be a sticking point in your relationship. Like, you know what I'm saying? As long as you're in this marriage, you will always have to go out of your way to be more affectionate to him.
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He's always going to have to go out of his way to be more appreciative of what you do do and be willing to help on the things that you do do just because it's not your fucking job, you know? And he's always going to struggle with that. You're always going to struggle with that, but you both have to be willing to do that, you know? Yeah.
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Yeah. My big thing for you too, is just like, again, like if nothing else, and I say this to all the ladies listening, just like, even if it's manipulative, just like make your husband feel important and loved and like needed. And, you know, if he does something that he's proud of fucking, you know, it's like, yeah,
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Yeah. Just like, you know, they, you will get so much out of your guy. If what you are more than anything is his cheerleader.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Oh, well then every, every man needs that. And if he needs it more than anyone, then yeah, that's something you're going to have to work on because that definitely does not come naturally to you. Yeah. It's, I can tell it just doesn't come naturally to you.
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No, I get it. I know that because I know me and we have some similarities in our personality, but it's important.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Okay. I mean, thank you for your service, but like, is he like an active combat? What do you mean he couldn't get off?
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You honestly probably will have to cuddle with them less if you just make them feel like a King, you know?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Um, y'all, all you women want to feel like a queen and the, the seek not so big secret as men want to feel like a King too. You know, we all want to feel that. Uh, and I, maybe one thing his ex-wife has over you and her loneliness and desperation is she might make him feel those things that you don't.
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Try, you know, maybe try to soften it up a little bit, you know? It sounds like you and your husband both need to find that balance in your personalities and the, I'm just going to be me only works so much. When I first started dating, I felt like, honestly, comfortable in my skin for the first time. I mean, honestly, she was like the first person I dated in years.
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So I was like, I had a girlfriend in years, so this is new to me. But I, you know, there's a balance when you get older of, of understanding who you are, of not trying to be someone else so that you can say to whoever your friends or your partner is, is like, listen, this is who I am.
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I mean, I know the military is a different animal, but like.
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So like, I hope that you love that because like I, you know, when I was 19, I was, I, I tried to please people and that never worked out. So this is who I am.
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And that's important to be who you are at the same time. You know, like I, you know, I kind of juggled with Natalie. Like I'm always going to struggle with the, I'm a little absent minded. I'm a, I can leave things open and I will work on it, but it just a heads up. Like if your plan is to get me awesome at this, you just leave me now. Uh, this is not happening, you know? Right.
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Doesn't mean I have to try, you know, and it doesn't mean that I don't have to work on things. It doesn't mean that I still have to put the effort in, you know, it's not an excuse to just say, well, I'm, this is who I am and you'd have to deal with it. No, it's, it's more of a, this is who I am. So I'm going to be me. And overall, I want you to accept me.
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But when it comes to some of my shortcomings or points of incompatibility, I'm going to do my part to bridge that gap.
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I feel like they let dads be there for the birth of their children usually.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
You know? Okay. And right now it sounds like you and your husband are unwilling to do your parts to bridge the gaps.
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So sit down and be like, can we just stop being stuck? Let's just like, what's the point of this? You know?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
If we're going to be together, let's try. And you know what? If we give it our best, then fine, we'll get the fucking divorce. But right now we're not even trying our hardest to make this marriage work. Maybe a first step would be to say, I'm really sorry for saying I don't need you. And that wasn't true because I do. And honestly, you do. Could you live without him? Sure.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Is my life better with you when we're at our best? Yes. And I think you should apologize for saying that and say, I shouldn't have said it that way. It's not even what I meant. He wants to feel needed by you. I can promise you that.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Gotcha. And how, how involved is he really when it comes?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Okay. Well, keep me posted. I'd love to know how it works. And maybe if you guys want to come on together, I'd love to chat with you both if that's something of interest to you guys.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Yeah. Well, I'd be down. I'd love to do it. So let me know.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
How direct do you think your parents are?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Okay. Why do you think he might just not be into you?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
How long have you been hanging out with this guy?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Fair enough. But, you know, he is an adult. But I don't think continuing to coddle this guy is the answer.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
okay what's that no sex or sex sex okay okay so you're hooked up all right uh and like it sounds like this is like pretty casual have you guys have any conversations about like whether you guys are into each other or see potential in this or is it just kind of like every once in a while you guys just like chat about life and then he comes and goes because they you know what what month are we in we're in we're in april so you met in november you've known this guy for five six months now
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Except, except how it's going. That's the good part. What do you mean by you're a lazy dater? I've never heard that phrase.
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hinge overwhelms me after a little bit so i usually like make it and then delete it every couple of weeks so i think that's fairly healthy i mean i it's easy to feel fatigued from dating apps um i don't think you're any different nowadays we've become a society that it's honestly it's a tragedy how terrible of a communicator we are you know communicators we are period
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
like men aren't approaching women anymore, you know, partly because they've been told they're either obnoxious or at best or, or dangerous at worst, you know? And so guys don't want to, you know, meanwhile, I think there's still a lot of women who would love to be approached by men, you know? And it's just, we just, we just, we just stopped going out, you know, anyway, so you're not the only one.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
So just don't, you know, it's like, you're, you're not the only one who's having a hard time meeting people in person. And I wish things would change in that department. But until then, I think dating apps are a totally fine and acceptable form of meeting people as long as we are willing to take breaks and as long as we understand that dating apps come with fatigue.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
And it's very easy to get discouraged because dating in general, as I always say, it's meant to have more misses than hits. In baseball, they say if you get a hit three times out of 10, you're a Hall of Famer. And dating, your goals only meet one. And so if you, one out of 200, still a hall of famer, you know, you know what I'm saying? So like, but it's, it's, we, we forget that so to speak.
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So back to, you know, your situation. Yeah. Part of it, part of the problem, it sounds like it is you because you're just kind of, you know, like I think a lot of people, if nothing else, you're familiar with these men, you're comfortable. So, which means you're comfortable with these men. And when they hit you up and you kind of decide, well, I don't really have anything going on.
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I'm kind of bored enough to say yes. And I don't think that's the end of the world. We've all done that. You know, I've done that. It's like, you know what? I actually, I did have a pretty good time with her and I definitely don't have anything going on right now. So why not? You know, like why not? And so it just comes down to like, you know, intentionality, right?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
It's just like, how intentional do you want to be with your dating life, right? Like you're only 28, you know, you're still really young. I'm not sure what your relationship goals are, especially around like children is because it's easy for me to say you're young, but I don't have to deal with any biological clock or things like that. What you're doing right now,
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is not helping you find your person. It is keeping you preoccupied. And so if your goal is to stay busy and not be lonely, you're doing a pretty good job.
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But if your goal is to date for the purposes of, you know, hey, I've had some fun, I've participated in hookup culture, I've had some situationships, but like, I'm ready to meet someone, you know, then it requires the willingness and ability to be alone, feel lonely at times. And it's going to require you to like, initiate conversations that are slightly uncomfortable to have.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
But the key part is before that is just that willingness to be alone and feel lonely at times. Because often we don't have the conversations we feel like we know we should have because we're afraid of the answer we might get. And then we're like, well, if I don't get the answer I want, then this thing might end. And honestly, I do like having him around. So this is fine. It's fine.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
He's just getting jerked off by masseuses. Jesus. Well, I mean, I don't know how much, you know, you said that's not the type of conversation I want to have with my brother. Well, that maybe that's the type of conversation he needs to hear. Like I, he probably doesn't want to have that conversation with his sister anymore that you want to have it with your,
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
That's kind of what we tell ourselves. That's true.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Yeah. Well, listen, like dating is scary, you know, like it's, it is. And it sometimes feels scarier and scarier as we get older because we feel like we have less time, you know, when we're dating and we're younger, we're like, you know what? it's okay.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
You know, I'm only 21 or something, you know, and then you have a child and then you're all of a sudden you're 28 and you're like, fuck, I got, I got to get the next one. Right. Yeah. But you just, that's, this doesn't work that way, you know?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Um, and also how you're going about dating now is it makes it even less likely that it's going to, you're going to get what you want because you're, you're not being intentional about it. So it's like you're, So afraid something bad can happen. You're not even trying to make something good happen. You know, it's like, if I never have it, I can't lose it. Yeah. You know, how old's your child?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Okay. Congratulations. Yeah. I mean, do you want, do you, you want to have more kids?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
And right now, do you introduce these people to your daughter at all?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
I think you're just putting yourself through things. I think she's going to be fine. I think she won't even remember. But I totally get why it makes you feel sad, but I think the truth of that statement is you don't want to put yourself through the guilt of hearing your daughter say someone else's name. But she's not going to remember. She'll be fine. my daughter is going to meet people.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
She might be people that she connects with that it might be a babysitter that like we don't use anymore or something or like, you know, so my point is like you feel this extra sense of guilt and pressure and around being a mom and as every mom and parent does but like, your kid's going to be fine. It's going to be fine. Kids are adaptable, resilient.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
And I think you just have to try to reframe your feelings on that and just acknowledge that she's going to be okay. And yeah, you have some guilt around it, but you have to give yourself some grace so that you can have a chance at building the life that you want for you and your daughter. And so you have to have the right frame of mind and then you have to be more intentional. right?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Giving your situationships and these casual men, you know, chances to stick around isn't, is definitely not getting you what you want. It's just kind of keeping you preoccupied. And it's also kind of keeping you sidelined. So as far as this guy, I don't, you know, usually when you have to ask yourself, is he just not that into me or something else? It's usually, he's usually not that into you.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
At the same time, It definitely can be just two people being very casual about it because I do think nowadays, I think people are just bad communicators and no one wants to take a shot. No one wants to put themselves out there, especially when two people start having sex. I'm getting 85% of what I would get out of a relationship and I have no responsibilities.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
So most people, that's why they take the 85% of a relationship because they have this unlimited freedom. He doesn't have to do anything. If I were you, I would just find out.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
I didn't ask if he's a love of your life. I just asked if you like the guy.
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But you will definitely be okay. Right. You're going to be okay. No matter what, you know, you'll have your good days and your bad days, but you're going to be okay. You're a mom. You're capable of almost anything, you know, like give yourself some credit. But like, I think I know you're going to be fine.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
I think that you deep down are worried you won't be, you know, and I think you have a lot of fear of being hurt. And I think you've got a lot of fear of, of putting yourself out there. And I think you've convinced yourself to live this kind of casual dating lifestyle. That's kind of very noncommittal on your end to avoid the rejection or the pain or the hurt.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Well, you are only 28. You got a lot going for you. I can tell, you know? So I think you just have to change your perspective a little bit.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
I heard if he wanted to date you, you would date him.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Okay. So when I say you should find out, I think you should just tell them you like them. I mean, do you think you could some version of, Hey, I, I really like, I, I, I've enjoyed these past few months. I think we should actually like, see if this is a thing and be exclusive and, and try. And I want to do that. And are you, you know, do you, do you think you can do that?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
I mean, yeah, you're right. That is the worst that could happen. And it's not like that big of a deal.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Cause like, right. You know, like you're not like, Oh my God, this guy's my dream guy. He's the best. He's like, you, you like them. You would date them. You're not obsessed. You know what I'm saying? Like you, you, you're, if you get rejected, your ego will be triggered. It's going to be, it's going to feel more painful than it actually is for a few days. And then you'll get over it.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
But that, that's kind of it. But right now you're just sitting here wondering, just wasting a bunch of energy.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Conversations are always more effective in person. At the same time, I also don't think this needs to be some sort of profound conversation. I think maybe next time you guys get together, you can just say, I hate the what are we question because that immediately gives your power away. Because then you're asking their permission. It's like, what are we?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
And they're going to be like, well, I don't know. We're having fun. That's exactly what he's going to say. And you just say, listen, I really enjoyed this so far, but you know, you know me, I don't got, I don't got time to waste. I'm a busy person. You know, you got a daughter, you know, you don't have to point that daughter out. You could just say like, I don't, this has been fun.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
But like, I, I like you. I like you enough so far. And you always say like, so far, but like, I, you know, yeah, fuck, we don't know each other that well, but what I know about you so far, I really like, and I see potential here. You know, don't say I see a future. Cause you don't, you see potential, you know? And I think we should, I think we should try.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
I mean, he could start with a phone call.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
And if he's like, I don't know any, I always say anything, but a okay is a no. And you don't convince or plead. You don't, you don't try to, well, you know, I think we're, you know, you're just like, okay, all right, well, I definitely don't want to keep doing this because like you're, you're fun and this is cool, but I just, I got, I got, I don't have time for, I just, I'm not looking for casual.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
And obviously we've been hanging out for a few months and like, if we just keep doing this, it's doesn't make sense for me. Maybe it makes sense for you, but the more, and I wish I could just stress this on every call, especially in these kind of dating situationship types of things where you're confused and you're worried about what they might say.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
It's just like the more you just show without trying to prove that you are gonna be okay, that you have shit going on, that you're a busy person, that you don't have time for people wasting your time, Yes, you'll get more answers that you don't like, but you will also, people will find you more in demand. They will find you more attractive.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
They will really ask themselves if this is worth letting go. You know what I'm saying? When people show you that they're not willing to have you waste their time, they immediately want to be in your orbit. You know what I'm saying? They do. It doesn't make every man obsessed with you, but the ones... who are taking you for granted, but actually do like you will, will take you for granted less.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
And a guy can like you, we all can like people that we take for granted all the time. And if they, you know, because that's this human nature when people allow, when we, you know, again, I use the, I've used this analogy, like if something costs 15 and you give them 20, chances are they'll take 20, you know, every time. And so that's kind of where you're at right now.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
You're, you're just, you're just, you're just not, you're not asking for change. You're just like, yeah, I mean, sure. I guess I'm free. You know, is this helpful?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Yeah. I don't think he would give him the heads up. Hey, we're coming over to confront you. Yeah. But I'm just saying like, maybe before you guys like fly overseas, maybe, maybe you just confront him with a phone call. I don't know.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Not every guy is going to be into you. Not every guy, not every person, but a lot, I get the sense that you pretty much can have your, you have plenty of options. So, you know, you're going to be fine. You just, you know, you just have to work through it. But the more you,
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
tell yourself you should be able to tell yourself that you have enough going for you that you deserve to be picky and be patient and you can have high demands and high expectations of people because i'm not getting the sense from you that you're like one of these people where i need to be like whoa i think you need to maybe look in the mirror and just ask what you're willing to do for them you have a lot to be confident about and i think you should start acting that way
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
yeah you gotta kind of give your like i don't have i don't have time for fucks men nothing men like more than just realizing a woman doesn't have time for what headline a hinge headline i don't have time for you honestly it would probably it'd probably be a banger with men you know try saying do you ever say no to these random invites
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
No, I'm saying, do you ever say no to men that you do like?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Or just, yeah, be busy. Or just not right now. Just pretend to be busy.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Yeah, like if a guy calls you the day of, never go out with him that day. Ever.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Like if you get a call like three in the afternoon, like what are you doing tonight? He's bored. Right. Something reminded him of you coupled with the fact that he probably like is feeling lonely or maybe he just got rejected in some other aspect of his life. He needs to pick me up. You popped into his head and he's like, what are you doing tonight?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Any guy who asks you out day of, you're just unavailable. It's like, oh yeah, I got plans tonight. But you know, I'd love to get together some other time. At a minimum, a guy should be willing to make a plan with you. And if he's not willing to make a plan with you, he doesn't like you enough. Or you haven't challenged him to make the plan. Right. We don't like to do more work than we have to do.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
I'd incorporate that little one into your just never saying yes to that. Yeah. Just be like, yeah, just be busy. Maybe some other time. But as far as this guy goes, I think you just need to practice saying exactly what you want from this guy.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Awesome. Go out, have fun. And at the end of that day, I wouldn't sleep with him.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
So have fun on the date and just be like, yeah, I was, uh, no matter what he says, I wouldn't sleep with him. Even if he says yes. Well, unless he's like, yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Let's be boyfriend and girlfriend. Then sure, have a ball. But anything short of that, I would just... And again, don't be sad. Don't be mad. And don't try to convince him.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
If you don't get the answer you want, and that is a yes, I'll think about it. I'm not sure. I don't know. Those are all no's. Yeah. And just say, hey, listen, okay, well, if you're not sure, then I am. And that's totally okay, but I just don't got time. And it's very chill. It's very matter of fact. It's very unbothered, very just like, cool, all right, yeah, no problem.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Because that will rattle, if he cares at all, that'll rattle his cage. If you don't get the answer you want, and you often don't at first when you do something like this, And he doesn't freak out in less than a week. He's not your guy. If he's not afraid to lose you after you have shown him that you are unbothered by moving on, don't take his calls. Don't let him casually check in.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Don't let him do the route. Don't let him get back in the routine. Just like it's, you've been hanging out for four months. You've, you've been basically acting like boyfriend and girlfriend when you get together. But he is, has no responsibility. He doesn't have to do anything to keep you around. So make him do that. Okay. All right.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
And if it doesn't work out with this guy, no more accepting dates day of.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
I mean, there is an alternative. You could waste more of your time. And if you're worried about running out of time, let that be your motivator. Yeah, you're still really young, but you're right. You're not getting any younger. No one is. And if you don't fix this shortcoming you have, you're going to have to take action with your life.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
It might be a mild inconvenience, but even if you have to wake up in the middle of the night to make a phone call.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
And you're going to have to get some guts and want to make some changes. And if you do, good things will happen. If you don't, nothing will happen. This will just keep happening. And it can happen for a very long time, a very long time. There's an unlimited amount of people willing to waste your time. You have to stop allowing that to happen.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
And more importantly, you got to get better at, first, you have to stop wasting your time so you get better at not allowing others to. Because again, it's an unlimited amount of people. Always be someone willing to waste your time.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
You know, it just depends on how much of a big deal this is to you.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
I'm rooting for you. I would love an update. We're, you know, we'll check in on you.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Yes, you do. You can do it. You can do it. Do it for you, do it for your daughter, whatever you need to motivate yourself. Like you just, you have too much going for yourself to waste your time. You just do. There's millions of men out there that would love to make you their queen. You probably don't want most of them, but I'm just saying, you know, don't waste your time.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Just find the ones that you want. The one, your guy out there, the one that, you know, because we all want someone where we feel like, we all want to feel like, a little proud of ourselves for landing the person we got. You know, we all want to feel like, not like they're out of our league, but it's almost like we want to feel a sense of, we don't want to feel like we settled.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Maybe he has this weird addiction. You know, I don't know.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
So you have to get good at not wasting your time so that the man that you want to be with won't waste yours.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
All right. Okay. Good luck. I'm rooting for you. All right. Take care. Okay. Bye-bye.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
yeah i mean and he's you know this is dangerous behavior you know if he really is going around with multiple stds be it like herpes you know chlamydia i mean chlamydia gonorrhea like you know those these are curable um yeah but like as far as i know it's a curable one As far as you know. Okay.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
And hopefully he's addressed it. But like, if he's still going around, I mean, this is dangerous behavior, not only for himself, but obviously for other people who, who, you know, but yeah, I think you guys, you need to start taking this seriously. I mean, you're,
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
i mean the only way to address it is head on you know yeah just you can't be afraid to have the uncomfortable conversation you can't you know it's definitely going to be uncomfortable but you know maybe it just starts with what do you like do you what are you doing like yeah you know like and i think i mean there have been times where like i would get a dm i would screenshot it to him and i would be like listen this is not like i don't want to get involved
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
i'm not doing anything nothing's going on meanwhile i know that that's not true even if it's just like be a dad like yeah i think you need to shame the out of him for how much of a loser he is for the type of father he's decided to be so far yeah um Yeah.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
I mean, and you know, if he's, you know, maybe he needs help getting sober, but like, I think you got to start painting the picture of what you guys see, you know, like what, what happened to you? Like you're, you're an absent father. You were a terrible husband. You, you are destroying people's lives. I'm getting random messages from people. You're passing STDs.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
You you're putting yourself at risk. And more importantly, like you're just, you're a terrible father. Yeah.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
And then are you guys are you guys being direct or is it or is it like, hey, you know, like, you know, you should do this. You know, are you tiptoeing around it or are you just.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Yeah. I mean, it's terrible. Like I couldn't imagine. My biggest advice for you is like, if you really care about this, then, then do something about it. You know, obviously traveling there would be a huge step, but like right now you, you're, you know, you, you say things like, well, you know, I can't really find the time to call him. Like you could, you know, like, you know what I'm saying?
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Like you could wake up in the middle of the night if it mattered, you know, like you could go out of your way to make sure you were available because he's not going to obviously go out of his way. You know, he's not going to make it convenient for you. So he's gonna make it inconvenient for you. But like, if you wanna try to help him, you gotta go out of your way.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
And you can't, you know, things like, I don't wanna get involved or it's not my problem. Like, you know, like with certain things, I totally get it.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
So it's like, you know, you can't, you're not his parent, but you know, you're not, you know, but like if you are seeing a loved one or someone you care about, not only put themselves in danger or put other people in danger and you're worried for their wellbeing and the other people around them,
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
At some point, yeah, you, you, you need to make it your business, you know, if you really want to help this person and you can't, you know, and listen, at some point you might, you might try, you might call him, you might, you might even fly there and, you know, he might not listen, like at least, but what you don't want to happen. you know, is something unforgivable.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
I mean, it's like, he's already done some kind of unforgivable things, but like it could get worse, you know? And you don't want to think you didn't, you know, if it got worse, you don't want to feel like you could have done something more.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
You might not be able to do anything. I don't know. You know, it sounds like maybe your brother isn't really in, in, in, in bad shape. And, you know, I don't know what he's experienced as, as someone who's been serving in the military. I don't know what trauma he's had to endure, if any, you know, by serving in the military. you know, obviously you're not a professional therapy therapist.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
It's like, you can only do so much, but you definitely haven't done everything you can. Right. Like, you know, and, and time zone differences really shouldn't stop you from going out of your way to doing whatever you can.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
And it starts with just like having an honest conversation and just be like, Hey, I mean, I never thought I have to reach out to my brother and like, tell him to like wrap it up or like, you know, make sure you're getting, you know, that's bare minimum, but like, what do you, you know, what do you,
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
What are you doing? I mean, Hey, you're a single man now if you want to, you know, but like at least be safe. But more importantly, this is about like be a father, you know, like check in on your kid. Like you are, you're responsible for a life.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
you know, like you're going to look back and be really ashamed, you know, with yourself. And like, I don't know how to address, I don't know how to have an intervention when it comes to an alcoholic, you know, maybe Al-Anon is a, I know a support group of people who have family members who are alcoholics and they probably have some useful tips how to address that.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
But I just, again, my biggest advice is do everything you can to help and, and just, again,
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
you're gonna regret if you're able to look back and and think i kind of just i punted i just i acted like it was inconvenient i made excuses for why i didn't reach out you know but you know yeah because like definitely like because right now you're like well i can't really get a hold of them because a different time zone it's like you can you know
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Yeah, I mean, because it's probably not going great. I don't know. He's probably obviously hiding it. But asking him questions, I don't, you know, again, not an expert here, but I'm guessing, you know, if he is an alcoholic, there's a lot of denial there. There's a lot of issues there, right? So, like, ask him questions about how they're doing. Like, I don't, it's just, you need to
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
speak to him and tell him exactly how you feel, what your concerns are. Lead with love always. Like, hey, I really love you. I'm worried about you. You know, the brother I grew up with, the brother I admired, where did he go? Like, what happened? I just never thought you would be an absent father. I just never thought that you would treat your family this way.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
I'm shocked the way you take care of yourself. Like, This is destroying lives, including your own. Like you need help. This is not the behavior of a healthy person. This is not okay. You know, I love you. I will always be there for you, but this is not okay. This is wrong. You need to stop. You need like, you know what I'm saying? This is the shit you need to say to him.
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E935 Ask Nick - Help! My Brother Is A H*e!
Yeah. So, I mean, yeah, you're in a tough situation and I really empathize with you and your family because you're right. You can only do so much and you could say all those things and it might not get through to him, but like, at least you will know you, you tried.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
I don't know what more we can say about the greatest mattress ever invented by mankind. Well, we can try, and it's called Helix Sleep. If you are in the mattress market, look no further than Helix. We are obsessed with it. We've been sleeping on a Helix mattress for our entire relationship, and it's a big reason why we are still very much in love.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
And you've communicated this with him?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Did you apologize for making him feel shame and judged?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
What did he say? Like, how did he take that?
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Well, listen, I'm not in a position to diagnose your boyfriend. All I can offer is what I said, is that based on what you're telling me, I do think there is an explanation that's very believable that doesn't necessarily suggest that he's addicted to porn. But we are making a lot of assumptions. But other than this instance, I think if he really had a problem, it would be easy to notice.
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Yeah. Whether it's too much or more common than it should be. And you can make a strong argument that like porn is a problem in our society, given how successful it is. But I don't think your boyfriend is probably operating any different than most men his age are.
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I'm basing this off the assumption that he's only doing this if he's masturbating.
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Then, yeah, that would be, if your boyfriend's sitting down for an hour just watching porn on a regular basis, I would think that would be a little too much. But it's definitely possible that all he's doing is browsing, looking for some inspiration. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And then listen, listen, I don't know.
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Like if I were you without trying, you know, I don't think it's all that bad to find the right time to say again, like, I really sorry for making sorry for making you feel that way. Um, I should not have done that. And in fact, I want us to, the last person I want to be is someone that you feel uncomfortable when it comes to sex or talking about sex or even porn.
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Like if you want to be a freak, I want to be a freak with you or whatever. I don't know. Like, I'm assuming like you want to, you know, right. You probably want to share things with him and make him feel comfortable, you know, uh, not, you don't want him to look at you the same way he looks at his mom, which is like this kind of like,
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shame and like oh i can't believe my mom knows i watch porn you know it's like yeah you know and i think there are girlfriends out there who like kind of have a zero talents when it comes to porn you know for a variety of different reasons you know maybe they had a an ex-boyfriend who watched too much and it's triggering for them or maybe you know come from a a
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community or religion that feels a certain way about it. But you've mentioned that you want to have a more sexual relationship with your boyfriend. Have you guys ever talked about fantasies and things like that?
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So maybe you just say something, listen, I wouldn't force it, but if it's, you know, it sounds like you already dealt with it, but like maybe there's a time in the future to just say, you know, I know I kind of violated your trust and made you feel really judged.
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And I hope, you know, again, I am sorry, but like, honestly, like what I regret most about that is that I want to talk about our interests with each other. You know, I want to know what you're into. Like, I don't, I don't even care. I don't care that you watch porn. I know. I think I was just a little, not to like relitigate it, but like caught off guard. You talking about the past.
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I shouldn't have looked. That was my bad. And yeah, I mean, I'm sure I'm, you know, whatever. I don't know. Uh, but see if you can get him to open up. I don't know. Cause I think part of it too is like, he's a relative, it's a relatively new relationship. Right.
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I don't, I think in general, I think a lot of guys don't know how their, how their girlfriends feel about porn or about them watching porn. Right.
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And so, yeah, give it some time, but like try to find the moments where you invite the conversation. And basically you're the message you're trying to convey to your boyfriend is conversations around sex. I want to be the person you feel the most comfortable talking about. And I, and likewise with you, you know, you opening up to him.
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I definitely didn't. And I would say, but I would say me going through your computer and asking you that question in the context I asked, like was the opposite of trying to get to that place. You say that to him and acknowledge that and see where it goes.
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Yeah. But you definitely don't want, like, listen, but the reality is, is porn has and can replace sex in someone's relationship.
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And I think there are people out there in relation with people who have gotten too into porn where they feel like their partner has disconnected with them, you know, or they're, they're watching porn and masturbate in lieu of having sex with their partner and having that intimacy. Yeah. You guys are relatively young, so I don't think three times a week is groundbreaking, but it's a good number.
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And yeah, he could just be tired. And trust me, you don't want him masturbating to be the same as him having sex with you.
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Because that is effortless and very short. Yeah.
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So, you know, it's not like a this or that in his mind. That I can promise you. And I think that is definitely a big misconception among women out there. But, you know, again, all people notice like to masturbate. So just put yourself in your shoes, you know, type of thing.
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I mean, keep paying attention, be vigilant. You know, I don't think that means snooping. I don't think that means consciously looking over your shoulder.
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But if something pops up, you know, at least note it, you know, like again, if he really has a problem.
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Okay. All right. Well, good luck. Keep us posted and let us know, you know, what, what, what direction this goes, but yeah, just try to, it's an opportunity to keep the conversation going about sex and intimacy with him and, and then kind of write that wrong.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Okay. What makes her a monster-in-law?
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OK, well, neither am I. And I don't know necessarily what one looks like. But to your knowledge, how much porn is your boyfriend consuming?
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But to be clear, these cousins were at your mother-in-law's house and you had a problem with what she was doing?
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Okay. And what was the problem you had?
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Is this something that's been an ongoing problem or is this something that kind of snowballed this Christmas holiday and has been an issue ever since?
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All right. So when you called in and you were asked, like, how do I deal with my monster-in-law that lives next door? What does dealing with it look like to you? Like, what kind of resolution are you looking for?
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All right, and then she responds, I love my children on the same level. They are just innocent and lovely kids. You also was telling me to my face, I'm paraphrasing, that we never take care of you and your husband when he lost his job. Please don't forget who paid for your mortgage, food, and bills when that happened.
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I'm feeling bad reminding you this, but I don't think that we did all this because we don't love your family, and please never again say that we have... Never asking you for money. This is another fake. What is she referring to?
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Gotcha. I don't know. And that's all you know, though?
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gotcha well listen i mean my big takeaway of this message is obviously she's i don't know she feels a certain way i'm sure it was with the best intentions but you saying things like i think you have past trauma that you haven't dealt with and hurt people hurt people i guarantee you she did not take that that well and i don't know if you said that to deliberately hurt her feelings because sometimes we say things like that sound nice and it's kind of a little bitchy
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because we know it'll hurt their feelings i guess you have to sometimes ask when you're first of all texts like this are never great because they can be interpreted any way they want uh and two you have to be very careful about your messaging when you send a text message because they're going to cherry pick what they read you know and your message i think at first it came with hey i want to fix this we're going to be in each other's lives i want to i want to fix this type of thing
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And then by the end, it was more like you accusing her of stuff and telling her what she needs to do differently, et cetera, et cetera. She clearly doesn't see it that way. You know, her whole part about like paying for stuff. I don't know.
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Did you? So, yeah, I guess my question, did you confront him or speak to him about this or?
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I mean, I'm sure that's like her justifying, even if she paid for the mortgage and helped you guys out financially, I assume that came from a loyalty to her son and not necessarily out of love for you. I imagine that's how you feel about that. And so that really wouldn't explain, as far as you're concerned, why you feel like she treats you a little bit differently.
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Because that's what you're saying. It's not often even obvious or in your face. It's just more subtle, little things. You just feel a disconnect between you and your mother-in-law. I think the best way to deal with this is to not make a bad situation worse. And I get the impression that's what you do, right?
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Like, stay out of your mother-in-law's business if it doesn't have to do with you or your kids. I would start there, right? I would not insert yourself and tell her, the mother of your husband, what she is... I just, parents don't take kindly to that. You know, like at some point you were just some girl, right.
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That your, your husband went to high school with, and he brought you home and you're like, here, here's this girl, whatever. And in that moment, she had all the power and all the authority over your husband. And, you know, cause she was the mom and he was, you know, a teenager type of thing. And now that's obviously not the case, right? You know, you're his wife, they have kids together.
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But I think for every parent, that's an adjustment, right? And I think that's why there's a lot of like in-law tension sometimes because there's a power dynamic at play. And this power dynamic often shifts. It goes from the person that like, you know, I don't even care if you're a minor or an adult. We always talk about like, oh, when should I introduce someone to my family?
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It's like some sort of rite of passage. And depending on how close the family is or the parent-child relationship and the dynamic, it often is like a big moment, right? Like, hey, I need my parents' approval. My family needs to like you. I can't date you unless my family likes you, right? You know, this family has all this power and they get to decide whether that person like
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passes the test or not, right? And now that's not the case, right? And I think that on some level, there's always a, that never kind of goes away, right? And that's why people, you know, I think respecting your elders is a mindset, quite honestly, that I think we've lost in general. My advice, I guess, to you is,
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Despite everything that's been said, overall, you being mindful of this kind of like, you know, just respecting your elders in the sense that like, yeah, I just don't think you should butt in when it's not needed or welcomed or asked. Short of like, you know, God forbid mom-in-law was doing something abusive or cruel, then yeah, I guess speak up. Don't let people get hurt.
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You know, don't, you know. But like, if it's just an opinion you have that differs from them, you know, like this whole parking situation or whatever. I don't know, like maybe, you know, it's like maybe, yeah, you can stay at our house, but don't park it. I don't know, like just because you do something nice doesn't mean you can't set boundaries with your guests, right?
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And your mother-in-law was setting some boundaries with her guest that you decided to like take exception with. And whatever, you know, it doesn't really matter who was right or who was wrong. It just really wasn't your business, right? And for a relationship that's already fragile, that's never been great by your own words,
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You're not doing yourself any favors by inserting your opinion where it's not welcomed. You're just creating a bigger divide. That annoyed her, I'm guessing. It would annoy most people. It doesn't matter if you're right. You know what I'm saying? So for starters, if you really want to fix this relationship, I would start there.
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I would start by not butting in with your mother-in-law when it doesn't involve you, right? Is that fair?
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All right. In the future to say, no, you know what? It's none of my business. Yeah. I guess my point is she's your mother-in-law, right? And you're right. It's, you know, old dog, new tricks. She's not going to do much changing. So this is about like making the best of a situation, right? Like you're probably right. You're, I mean, like, I don't know. Most older people have unresolved trauma.
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You know what I'm saying? Like most people do. Right. And most people haven't worked through it. So chances are your mother-in-law, you're probably right about that. There's a good chance you're not going to be the person who convinces her to go to therapy. And there's also a good chance she never does. Right.
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So if you're right about this unresolved trauma or whatever issue she has against you, that's not going to go away. Right. And so you have to make the most of the situation. And to do that is to control what you can control, choose to be happy over being right. Right. Because there's probably a lot of moments when it comes to mother-in-law, you know, you're right. You're really pissed off.
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And you decide to pick that fight rather than let it go.
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You know, and yes, we don't, you know, no one's saying let her, I'm not saying let her walk all over you, but when it comes to things like, you know, whose favors, whose kids that could be very subjective. And I don't know, do you, do you think your kids really notice it?
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We'll worry about that when they notice it. But you know what I'm saying? Like, I think you guys are arguing over a matter of opinion. I don't know. And like, you obviously have this opinion towards your mother-in-law. It would be a safe assumption to assume that you have blinders on when it comes to her and her behavior. And she has blinders on when it comes to you and your behavior.
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And neither of you give each other the benefit of the doubt. You guys have years of miscommunication and resentment for whatever the reason is. But you are going to have to, if you really want to fix this relationship, chances are you're going to have to be the bigger person. You're going to have to swallow your pride. You're going to have to bite your tongue.
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I'm not saying you should be a pushover or let this woman treat you poorly, but I think there's probably a big difference between that and picking your battles and, again, staying out of things that you don't need to stay out of and try to kill her with kindness. What's the saying? It's a lot easier to attract bees with honey than with vinegar.
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I think that's how you have to treat your mother-in-law. You really have to go out of your way to try to really make things work.
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Like what? Because right now, all I've heard is things she's done are just like little things that you either observed or assumed or presumed. None of this is like outwardly problematic. No one's in danger. No one, you know what I'm saying? This is just like little things that you have noticed that she does or doesn't do that annoys you. Is that accurate?
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fight is he making you say something to to her when she doesn't follow your guys's rules are they your rules are they your and your husband's rules so usually i'm the one that says something i think he just kind of lets it slide like if they stayed up late he's like yeah it's okay
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That's fair. Again, also, I think the easiest solution is to just not let her watch your kids. But is your husband willing to help you out? Because I really think this to be true, but if there's any in-law conflict, the glue is the partner. You know what I'm saying? If there's any conflict between in-laws, then I think the...
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the spouse, the son or daughter of the in-law that you're having a problem with is playing a role in that conflict. And it's usually because they're not doing anything about it. They're not stepping up for you. Your husband's not helping resolve this conflict as much as he could. I'm not saying your husband has control over his mom, but it sounds like he could be doing more to support his wife.
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Have you talked to your husband about this?
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How does he feel about you and you and his mom not talking?
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Well, yeah. Why couldn't you let her go to Nana's? I mean, especially if her cousins are there.
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It might be. Yeah. Well, I mean, if they're playing outside, that's one thing. If they're going inside, maybe that's the part I'm worried about.
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is that well has any of this been helpful yeah i mean it makes sense what you're saying um i'm just trying to think of how to like apply it um yeah um i'm trying to think if there's a response to what have you ever just knocked at our door no i haven't why not like i mean she's just your mother-in-law she's literally your neighbor she's your mother-in-law and she that scary
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What do you have to lose? I just think, one, I think text messaging conversations over stuff like this never goes great because, again, you two have very strong opinions about each other. And when you get text messages, I promise you, she didn't read it in the manner in which you sent it. Yeah.
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And nor did you, you know, like you read how you feel about them and how you think they feel about you and you're skimming over words and you're only reading sections of it. And that response you got to me means that whether she read the whole thing or not, the only thing that really stuck with her is you saying you have unresolved issues in past trauma.
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I could see that and hurt people hurt people and you are hurting me and our kids and she she basically tells you to fuck off and you hurt her by saying that yeah and I definitely didn't mean it in that way I mean I come from a background where like
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You're probably right. I'm just saying your goal isn't to point out this woman's problems. Your goal is to have a relationship with her. You're not her therapist and you're not her caregiver and she's not a child. And so I think we just have to be mindful of that with different relationships we have. It's like, what is our goal of this relationship?
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If your goal is to have a relationship with your mother-in-law and just have it be as peaceful as possible, then you have to go about it in a very different way than say you might with people at work, your husband, your best friend, et cetera, right? This is a woman that you didn't choose. She came with your husband. You know what I'm saying?
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And so you just kind of have to accept her for who she is, as flawed as she may be. And that's back to my original point, which is like, I don't think you are doing anything right now to help you achieve your goal. I think you're often doing things that go against what your stated goal is. And your stated goal is, again, to have a somewhat positive relationship with this woman.
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But right now it sounds more like even though that is your goal, your actions say you want to change her, prove that she's wrong, point out her flaws, critique her. At least that I guarantee that's how she feels.
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And at times I just think, you know, and again, at times you might be justified for feeling the way you do, but it does go against your ultimate goal, which is like, I just want to have a peaceful relationship with this woman. Like it's not even your goal, like to be, you know, the closest woman in her life. You just want to be like civil.
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And so when it comes to like who favors who more, I would let that shit go. If your kid shows up one day and brings it to your attention and how it makes them feel, deal with it then. All right. But until then, like, I don't think reading into situations and projecting your relationship with her onto your kids, not, you know, is, is helping anyone out.
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Okay. I don't, mom's probably the worst person that I mean, I could picture a mom seeing their son watching porn and being like, oh my God, porn addiction, you're addicted to porn.
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And I think there's probably a little bit of that going on. So in the meantime, yeah, don't send another text. If I were you and I really want to resolve that, I would knock on her door and I would just say, hey, I'd really like to talk. And again, I'm really sorry for anything I said to hurt your feelings, but I hate that we are at each other's throats. And I really don't want that.
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I wouldn't say anything else. Stop pointing things out to her. Stop letting her know what she did wrong. If you, you know, you know what I'm saying? You sent a text that said, hey, We need to talk.
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And first of all, I would choose different language because again, back to like the whole like respecting your elders, like you're just going to get a lot further with this woman if she feels like you respect her at all. I guarantee you she doesn't feel like you've ever respected her. And maybe that was a product of you being a rebellious teenager when you met her.
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I don't fucking know where this is coming from. And I'm sure a lot of that's to do with her own shit. But I promise you, if she feels a little bit more respected, you might get a little softer version of her, right? But you sent a message that said, we need to talk, right? You were telling her what you two needed to do. You weren't asking, you were demanding.
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You were like saying, this needs to happen. You know what I'm saying? You got to come in a little softer. How would you feel if your adversary told you what to do?
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Yeah, you know, but if your adversary came with a white flag and said, hey, is it possible if, you know, when you're ready, if we could sit down and resolve our differences? Because all I really want, all I want to say is I really want us to get on a healthier civil page and leave everything else off the table. You know, how can we get there?
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Ask her questions rather than make statements or accusations. Again, and then she might say some stuff, but you're gonna have to do your best, again, to not have her trigger you. Because again, old dog, new tricks. You're gonna have to be the more patient one, probably. This is a woman who wants to feel very much like you invaded her family, not the other way around. She wants your respect.
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Yeah. Do you ever watch Seinfeld? I know you're only 24, but like- I've seen Seinfeld. There's this famous episode called The Contest where they all get together and they compete to see who can withhold- masturbating the longest. And this group of friends has three men and one woman, Elaine being the woman. And there was a joke by Kramer and she's like, well, women masturbate.
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I'm not saying you need to give it to her. I'm just trying to frame her point of view as well as I think it, as well as I can, or what I believe it to be, you know? And that you can do with what you want, right?
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But I think to get through this woman is trying to make her believe that you respect her a little bit more than you've shown and to not tell her what she needs to do differently, but like to state a common goal. And I think if you do that, maybe there's some hope.
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And then when it comes to the caregiving and her following the rules, I don't know, you're going to have to pick your battles and find the things that you can tolerate and not tolerate. You know, if your kids really are a mess the next day because they slept over at grandma's house, then maybe don't have them do that. Or, you know, I don't know.
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That's why you had sleepovers, whether it was with your friends at your grandma's house because you stayed up all night, you watch movies you shouldn't watch, you eat food you didn't want to eat. I don't know. That's part of being a kid.
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Right. And so, you know what I'm saying? Like, you got to ask yourself. And again, I'm not saying you need to be OK with that. And you're right. Like a tire can the next day can be a real jerk sometimes. But you know what I'm saying? I do think there's an element of you've been rivals for this woman for like the better part of I don't know how many years.
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And you're probably both guilty for where this relationship has gotten.
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If you really want to fix it, I think you need to start doing your part and then hope she does at least a little bit of hers. Because you can't fire her. And unless you want to divorce your husband, you can't get rid of her. And she's your goddamn neighbor. So you're going to have to bite your lip, be the bigger person, and try to figure this out with her. Okay.
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But like peace of mind and civility is not you surrendering. Let go of your pride. You know, think about how much emotional energy you're wasting on this and whatever amount of bigger person you have to be or swelling your pride will be well worth what you'll gain in the removing the emotional burden of having your mother-in-law and your neighbor being your rival. All right.
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All right, well, keep us posted. We'd love to know how you guys work through this. But no more texting her. No more telling her what you two need to do. And try to humble yourself and raise that flag in hopes that you can have some peace. Because that's what you want, peace. And just remind yourself that's really what you want with this woman is peace.
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instability you don't need her to play favorites you know or whatever just it really just about you to leave your kids out of it like kind of like you want to you know and like again if a few years later your kids come to you and say why does grandma like jane better than us then i don't know then it's an issue you know but until then i wouldn't worry about it and even when your husband asks your opinion about something that has to do with you stay out of it okay
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Because like, she just assumes you're not going to agree with her. Wouldn't even matter, you know? So what's the point of giving your opinion to someone who assumes you're never going to agree with her? Especially when you don't agree with her.
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You know, if, if God forbid you, you actually want to take her side, by all means speak up, that'll go a long way. But when you want to disagree with her or take someone else's side against her, all it is doing is creating a bigger divide between you and her. Okay. All right. Well, hopefully this was helpful. Please keep us posted how things go with mom and mom-in-law and wishing you the best.
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Okay, what do you mean? Who's this former best friend?
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But it wouldn't be uncommon to pop open the phone or the laptop and search for something that might pique their interest. And that could explain why, you know, at any given day, there's a handful of links because he's like popping in, popping out, taking a look. Yeah. If that's what's going on, I'm not in a position to diagnose any of that. Listen, I've watched porn.
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And where do we get to the whole like him smearing your image?
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And what substance is he accusing you guys of abusing?
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the picture you're painting is like you've this lifelong friend, family friend, you know, honoree uncle to your kids, like one day just kind of lost it and like completely changed his attitude towards his lifelong high school friends that ended up becoming husband and wife and then lost it. Is that, I mean, is that how it feels from your point of view?
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I mean, is he seriously calling himself an alien? Yeah, he... Yeah. Is this like a mental health crisis situation?
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Okay. And like the autistic part in the past few years, the number of people who have self-diagnosed themselves for a variety of different ailments when like it went from no one wanted to talk about their limitations or disabilities or shortcomings to like it becoming almost a social status. Do you think it's anything like that?
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he's special in some way and needs like how much of this accommodation, how much of this heart break of his affect them? Like, what do you think was like a lot? Okay. Do you think that's what's changed for him?
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And you haven't spoken with this person in seven months, you said?
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Porn, I do think, is a thing out there. Like when I talk about hookup culture, it's like I've participated in hookup culture. I've watched porn. I still think like, yeah, I mean, it's too readily accessible these days. It's too available. I do think it's affected young men drastically.
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decided he didn't want to speak to both of us together so i just decided to be done what is your concern level other than it's just being really annoying that these rumors and gossip that he's spreading about you two like being like affecting you guys
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And how did you, how did you find out that he was telling people this?
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Okay. And what is their perception of this situation?
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that he's the Lulu okay that's good news right so like sounds like the people he is telling he's not fooling anyone and everyone kind of sees sees it for what it is is this person is having a mental health crisis or delusional or something but no one's taking this person seriously yeah you know you don't know how unpredictable he is but like you really think he's gonna go to your place of business or no he's going to come he's going to mutual friends right
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Sure. But like, does it matter? You found out through mutual friends that he was saying this, right? And had you not found out from those friends, take away the fact that you like, you are aware that this drama between your friend and yourself and your husband's going on, but like, would you, you know, would it have affected your life at all? Would you have known the difference?
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You know, I guess that's what I'm saying. It's just like there's no point and you can sit there and worry about bad things happening all the time. And as someone who's like at times in their life been a professional worrier, I can assure you like it's possible. As I've gotten older, now that I have a kid, now that I'm you know, married.
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And now I have like responsibilities outside of myself as you do as well. Like I have gotten better at like, just like, I don't have time to worry. So I don't. And I just assume everything's going to be fine until someone tells me it's not because, you know, I have enough of responsibilities that every day there's a new problem for me to solve that I do have to solve.
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So I don't have time to worry about the things that aren't problems yet. And I think just that mindset might serve you and your husband well. I mean, listen, right now at first you guys went through the whole like trying to, you know, just to like solve what you thought was like some sort of disconnect between you and a friend.
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And then after trying to resolve that disconnect, it became more and more clear that this is more than just a disconnect. I don't know. This friend is going through something, and we are not able to figure out what they're going through. We can make guesses. They had a heartbreak. That really fucked him up. Now he's just really acting out of pocket.
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Now he's going so far as to gossiping and spitting rumors about us. He's saying things that, quite honestly, are kind of like...
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You know, when I was younger, when I was a kid, we used to like sneak over to the one or two friends whose dads bought Playboys, you know, and then like one of the parents might have had this like porn video that you'd pop in. It just wasn't accessible as it is today.
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friend ending things you know and if nothing else he is he has shown to be an unsafe person for you and your husband to associate yourself with now you're kind of getting into like a category of like i mean it sounds like it hasn't and i hope it hasn't but like you have each other you and your husband you have kids i think you mentioned like i mean listen i don't know
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I think, yeah, more than the loss of a friend, but what is your goal at this point? Like, is it, are you still trying to figure out how to mend this fence or are you trying to figure out like what to do next? Like, what are we trying to do?
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Did the rumors happen after or before you blocked them?
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Okay, that makes sense. That's what I would have guessed. Those rumors are a reaction to you blocking them, is my guess. You said this is a guy who really likes control. And he likes setting the boundaries of communication. And you took that away from him. And he is, I'm assuming, spreading these rumors so that you call him up and say, what the fuck?
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So I don't think that you should call them up and what the fuck, but I think, yeah, listen, I get it. Like it's, it's a dirty feeling to know that there's someone out there that's saying terrible, untrue things about you, you know, and you want to put a stop to that. And then it feels, you know, it's, yeah, that can really mess with you from what you're telling me.
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And I, I mean, I can't give you any guarantees that's for sure, but like it all kind of makes sense. I mean, it doesn't make sense why he is acting this way, but it makes sense from what you're telling me. Person who likes control, people who likes to dictate how he communicates with his friends. You blocked him. He panicked, overreacted, and now he's saying these things to mutual friends.
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quite honestly, in hopes that it gets back to you. I don't know if he's actually being that Machiavellian or fast forward, but I think our subconscious brains kind of work that way. We kind of say things, we try to be messy. I don't know why this is, you know, but I'm guessing that's why these rumors are popping up.
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That's what I'm saying. So like annoying, but like, I think you can rest easy knowing that it's not something that is actually going to create a problem in your world.
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And I think as a result, you're seeing a lot of young men... and get used to utilizing porn way too much, way too frequently. That being said, yeah, I would be curious, what did your boyfriend respond to when he brought that up and what was his answer and did he think he had one? What was his answer?
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Probably, you know, you don't want to mend this fence, right? Like you guys have moved on.
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I think you just let it die out. Maybe.
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Were you hoping for a different answer?
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Do you need to be a part of it? When you say scared, how scared? Like what, what, what level of scared?
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So don't. Yeah. I mean, if that's how you feel.
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You know, my only advice to you is like protect, protect what matters, right? You and your husband, your relationship, everything he said just sounds bizarre. Like you guys are too, you're married. He should celebrate his friends still being affectionate after all these years together, you know?
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like you know but again like the breakup fucked him up i don't know it affected him in a weird way it doesn't justify his actions and like you guys have decided to move on so correct me if i'm wrong but him spreading these rumors is what's bothered you the most since then and and really has stopped you from like just like moving on and letting it go um in the beginning we were just so confused and like heartbroken like i was really like going through like a breakup like yeah big time like
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I don't know if that's going to do any good. This guy seems unpredictable and I don't think that's going to dictate what he does. Like he knows he's not supposed to spread them. He's doing, he did it on purpose to get a reaction.
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The fact that he said it to this one friend that you're closest with than he is.
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I think it's a good sign for you guys in the sense that like, he's not just going to some, it didn't affect that person's opinion of you. They didn't believe it.
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I mean, if anything, maybe you guys have already done this, but have you guys just been like, we don't know what happened or why we got to this point. We really wish we didn't. We miss our friend. Ever since that trip, you have done and said things that feel unforgivable. And you don't seem like... You haven't given us any sign to either of us that this is a relationship you want to fix. And so...
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We feel like we have no choice but to say, please leave us alone. And then you could bring up the rumors and blah, blah, blah. But like, I wonder if like a letter written by the both of you is almost like a therapeutic goodbye or a last ditch hoped to get through to him. I don't know. Because as much as you say you're- Like a written letter email. Yeah, I don't know.
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But clearly you guys, from what I'm hearing, you guys are done. It's like you guys have accepted that you can't get through to him. Like you've said, you've tried everything.
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So it's more like you give up, but it sounds like you guys still are mourning the loss of this friendship and this person because the person he has become or has shown you who he is these past seven months is unrecognizable to you. Would that be accurate? Yeah.
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So it sounds like you guys are really kind of still mourning this and almost reluctantly agreed that you have to move on from this person because he's giving you no choice. But if he gave you the choice, then yeah, you would love to have that friend back, but you don't trust him anymore.
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first before my husband and then like took and took accountability for what he's done like that would be a starting point but we just don't think he's capable of that right now i think if anything you write a letter and i always say like you know because as always especially in 2025 don't don't write a letter that if it that you would have a problem at showing up on the internet and i think you could write that letter no problem right you know what i'm saying like it's just always going to be careful of your communication yeah yeah
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But yeah, I don't know. It could be also like therapeutic for the both of you to just kind of almost like say goodbye. I'm almost sensing a little guilt that you guys, you and your husband have because it's almost like you don't know what's going on with this guy.
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And maybe it really is some sort of like mental health crisis and you don't feel, and you don't want to abandon a friend during a crisis. But at the same time, he's also like proven to be like unsafe for you and your family and relationship. Like, his behavior is not okay.
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And like any friend that tries to put a wedge between a married couple, like that married couple to disconnect from that, whoever that is. Right. So he's, he's not giving you much choice. So yeah, like a letter that is just kind of like a goodbye letter and restates and reiterates like the relationship as you guys see it without trying to throw out accusations.
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I mean, you're gonna have to point out the whole, like we hurt, you know, like, It was very hurtful to find out from our friends that you have been saying X, Y, and Z about us. I'm not sure where that's coming from or why you would even say something you know to be completely false, but obviously that was very painful for us to hear.
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And I think most of the letter should be a tone of we're heartbroken and sad and we don't know what to do, but as painful as it is for us to ask this because we miss you, We don't feel safe around you anymore. And I think it's that language that you use.
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You guys can decide. You don't have to commit to anything. Write it. See how you guys feel about it. Maybe it's something you guys are doing therapeutically with yourselves. Ask yourself, do we really need to send it? I don't know. Maybe you do send it. Maybe you don't. You guys can sit on it for a while. it might be a good exercise for you and your husband to do it.
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Like you said, it's taking up a lot of emotional bandwidth for you guys and it's affecting you guys. And you guys right now need to figure out how to let it go one way or the other.
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Because right now you guys are having a hard time letting it go. He's still DMing your husband. He, your husband brings it up to you. Your husband says things like, I don't even know what to say. And you're like, I don't even know either. You know, it's just like derails our whole day.
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yeah also we like all three of us like go see a lot of live music so we like see him out yeah it's weird right so and it still feels like you guys haven't completely said goodbye to him i like that yeah you know so maybe write it say goodbye get a little closure for yourselves decide if you think you should send it but you know i don't think sending it's if it's written well
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And that, again, that written well, it's more about like, you guys are sad and you're writing it to say goodbye. And this is one of the most heartbroken letters you had to write. And it's just like, you wish it didn't come to this, but you really don't know what to do. And you don't even know why it's gotten to this point. And you miss him and you wish you could be there for him.
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But you, it feels like he has pushed you guys away in ways that you never expected. And you don't even, you don't know what to do. And now it's gotten to the point like you don't trust him or feel safe around him. And no matter how close you were, you two will never let anything come between the two of you.
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And that's something that every person in your life up until like even your kids to a certain degree is that like people, you know, like couples that let people know that nothing can come between them and that they're a united front are always going to, you know, Those are the strong couples and, and people hate unity. You know, people like will always want to break that up.
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That's why they say strength in numbers. People, you know, they see a couple, they want to, there's a little gel, you know what I'm saying? Jealousy and things like that. And so, you know, his initial, you know, he needs to respect that. And if, you know, he can't respect that, then he can't be a part of it.
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But the hope, the hope in sending this letter is not because you're going to like get a letter back in a week being like, just kidding. I don't know. You're, you're, I read that letter and you're so right. It's basically to like have him sit with it. It's there if he wants to reread it whenever he's around. And then, I don't know, maybe someday he comes around. I don't, I don't know.
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But the, basically the letter is to, to leave a door open. If that thing that you never expect. And I think you don't write it, expect, you know, cause you're kind of expecting never to come around. But the point is you've, I think the guilt's coming from feeling like you alienated a friend in need because he doesn't know why he's acting this way.
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And you guys have been trying to like, you've been in this kind of survival mode with him trying to just figure things out. And then these rumors started happening and you're like, what the fuck's going on? And fuck this guy. And we can't talk to him and you needed to block him and you don't even know what to do. And now you're just kind of like stuck in this like emotional limbo.
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of like yeah did we just did we ghost him or like did we did we do what what is going on you know does that make am i getting this right yes no you're i think you're nailing it i love this thank you Yeah, so, yeah, that's just kind of what I'm hearing. So I think what you guys need to care about is what I think you guys are caring about, and that is the two of you in your relationship.
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And you guys just need to continue to protect that, right? And be a team and come together and figure out what you two need to let this emotional toxicity go.
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you know at least temporarily or forever and and do you know and that temporarily is like saying what you need to be said you know you're a last-ditch effort of trying to get through to him but even if you don't get through to him the message is there that like this is heartbreaking and sad and you don't want this but like at the end of the day you two will always protect the relationship above all things and that's something you should be proud and happy to say to anyone for sure I think my husband will love this too
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all right well sorry you're going what a weird what a bizarre situation so weird it's weird but thank you so much for listening and thank you for your feedback i love your insight well well thank you and um yeah i mean there's no there's no point in diagnosing guessing further i mean clearly this breakup i have some guesses yeah clearly this breakup seemed to have really fucked him up you know that's the only thing that makes sense of like griping about you guys being affectionate you know and him not knowing how to yeah and it was it was like
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I feel that sometimes there's always been hints, but yeah, I don't know. People, people get fucking weird, man. Like I know some of my friends that like, and I wasn't friends within my twenties. I think I mentioned this. I have some friends that like, I don't keep in touch with as much as I used to. And the truth is they just got fucking weirder, man. Like, I don't know. I think,
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Maybe I got weirder. Maybe I don't know. But like people, people do change. And the reality is that you guys all met in high school and stayed friends. But your life, you and your husband's life have drastically changed where his hasn't. He's still the single guy who lives a life very much. Sounds like it's all about him.
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That's what he wants to do when he wants to do it. He doesn't answer to anyone. He had his two best friends that happened to be married. It was very convenient for him. And as you guys have matured, involved and grown and grown your family and got older, your change has been very inconvenient for him. And then he fell in love. She broke his heart. He got fucking weird.
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And it's just kind of like it snapped. He snapped.
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Sometimes you just have to say goodbye. Like very few people are lifelong friends.
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You go through seasons and you never know. I've lost touch with some friends and reconnected in the future. Yeah.
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Yeah, I mean, this is a relationship that has an incredible foundation. There is always that hope that even a couple years from now, he might figure his shit out. And that's where maybe sending that letter, where I would say vote for saying that letter. It's not because you're looking for resolution in the immediate future.
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It's because you've literally been friends with this guy for 20-some years. And right now he's acting in a way that you don't recognize. And maybe he's just going through this midlife crisis of his and he's been fucked up. And I don't know, maybe a guy who's been generally living his life for himself by himself needs a wake up call. And maybe this is what this is. I don't know.
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But maybe a year or two from now, if he still has a letter or he'll remember the letter and he's looking for a little bit of grace or a chance to go back in, this letter will be that window for him to swallow his pride and maybe reach back out and say, hey, I was, you know, I was,
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oh a little weird for a while there guys sorry you know uh who knows maybe you know you never really know but like that's where the the letter might be a little like and that's kind of what it is you know like in that tone if in five years he rereads this letter having like figured out his shit would that make it easier for him to reconnect with us mm-hmm then maybe send it. It's not the time.
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Be careful when you write. This is not the airing of grievances letter. You know what I'm saying? There's no point in that. Short of, you can bring up the fact that the rumors he spread, yeah, you can call him out on that. But you know what I'm saying? This is not the time to be like, you know what, to be honest, you've been selfish your whole fucking life. Like not, this is not that letter.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
You know what I'm saying? This is like, we're very sad this happened. We don't know what to do. We've tried our best. We don't know why you've said some of these things. We need to distance ourself for our own like peace of mind in our relationship. But like, we wish this wasn't the case, but please respect the fact that assuming you're, you know, you're not willing to do what we need you to do.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
We're not going to respond and we're not going to, we're not going to have a relationship with you because like you've made it impossible to have one. And, and, and we're really sad about that. You know, something like that, you know?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Yeah. I would, I would try to avoid any like very like specific demands or requests.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Who knows? Like maybe, maybe he's too aggressive.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Yeah, we can't have you in our lives. This is more basically explaining, because I think there's a little bit of guilt probably from your husband from just not responding to these random DMs. He doesn't know what to say or do. And that's just pointing this out. Us not being your life, that's why I'm not responding. That's why we're not talking. That's why we're not reaching out.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
you can acknowledge maybe in the letter that you blocked him, but why you blocked him, it's just more like, I didn't know what to do, you know? And like, it's, and you can be vulnerable and say, this is, we have spent hours and, you know, he, I don't know how I feel about it. Maybe he'll get some sort of, he'll get off on it. I don't, I don't know. But I think you can,
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
The hope of you acknowledging how much energy this has costed you and your husband and how much time you spent trying to figure out what's going on with this relationship will certainly like stroke his ego and make him feel validated. But the hope is in the future, he'll have some like empathy about like what, what this emotionally is costing you guys. And maybe he'll come around.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
stroking his ego or doing whatever to make him feel good i just want this to end well part of it ending is you guys being able to let it go right because you can't control him and and and part of it ending is you and your husband like kind of agreeing and just letting it go and part of it is also not talking about him anymore that's hard yeah
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
event maybe your husband I think also telling the mutual friends to just not tell us if he talks about us yeah let the mutual friends be like listen we've heard it all yeah we've heard it all like we're not talking to him anymore you know like listen like I think he's just we've tried reaching out to him we've tried but like just yeah don't That's the thing you get.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Did he elaborate on those other things?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
You have to just you and your husband should like do a little bit of accounting about what are the things that are keeping us emotionally invested in this and then try to friends are trying to get us back together. Why, though?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
like i think it's just like if we if there's like a group trip planned it's we can't like but you're not throwing it away i'm like you're like again one day this man out of nowhere called us up and started airing these random grievances about like how affectionate we are as a married couple and then regardless of how crazy we thought those accusations were we like we tried to like
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
We're like, yeah, exactly what you thought. We're not kind of like, obviously, let's, I don't know, let's figure this out. He's upset. We don't know why he's upset. We wanted to talk to him. And things only got worse. And now he is spreading lies and rumors about us behind our backs.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
If I'm being you, I would go to your friends and be like, if you guys know how we should fix this, fucking let us know. We've goddamn tried. Like, right?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
So that's what I would say to your friends. What would they say? Like, what have they said?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
I'm even more in favor of writing the letter because I just see, I feel like it closes the loop on all this like friend drama. But listen, I don't know. You guys are at a stage in your life that like, I'm not saying fuck your friends, but like, I don't know. Like, listen, like at the end of the day, fuck your friends. I don't like.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Exactly. And like, they'll, I don't know if they really, I don't know. Write the letter. And that's what you, it's like, that's kind of like your insurance policy. It's like, again, like we, we tried guys balls in his court, but like, what do you want us to do? We've tried.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
So like talk to him in almost like you guys have no idea how much emotional energy we've put into trying to fix this relationship. So like, no offense, you guys know, I have no idea what you're talking about. And I'm sorry it's messed up the dynamic, but what would you do if someone was out there spreading rumors about you and your family?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Do an inventory of what's keeping you guys emotionally invested and try to put a stop to that for now. It shouldn't affect you guys the way it has. It's not fair.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
But I also think like sometimes as adults, we can't handhold our friends. Sometimes people have to go on those journeys on their own and that's, and people can come back into our lives. It happens all the time.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Well, good luck. I am sorry you're going through this. Please, I'd love, please keep us posted. I'd love to know. I would love an update.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Thanks so much. All right. Best of luck. Take care. Okay.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
And to be clear, this whole like past alleged addiction, it sounds to me that's less of him saying, yeah, I used to have a problem. And I had this other very similar but different experience where not my girlfriend caught me, but my mom caught me and really embarrassed me about like the porn I was watching. Or did he actually have one to your knowledge?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
See, I think that's a bit of a problem.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
I don't know how it is for women, but I think masturbating for men is very different than having sex.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
And I do think sometimes when women catch their male partners masturbating, there's kind of this like, really? You'd rather do this than be with me, than have sex with me, than yada yada? And I think to a certain point, it's a valid question if you were to feel that way, you know, but it's, I think it's all a balance.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
I think for some men or maybe women too, but I've less experience or no experience. I think it can be like a stress relief. It can be just like something to clear your head, things like that. Yeah. So listen, I think it was wrong for you to go through his laptop. I think you know that, right? You know, you're fine. You had a moment of weakness.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
And I can't speak to this past porn addiction that he acknowledged or how deep that went. I mean, the fact that his mom is a part of that conversation and like she caught him or something, that would be really embarrassing for any young man.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
And not too much differently. And similarly embarrassing to have your girlfriend catch you. I mean, I don't know if you've looked at any of those titles, but there's some weird fucking titles for porn out there. And there's this weird porn in general. And I don't think most guys are like paying attention, all that to it. It's just like, click here. What do they look like? What's going on?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
I don't think there's that much thought going into it. I don't think it's a big deal that your boyfriend masturbates every day. I don't like, I don't think it's a big deal that he would necessarily watch porn to masturbate at the same time. Listen, I think porn affects brains negatively. I don't even think that's an opinion. I think it's like a scientific fact.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
And like any, any, whether it's, whether it's drinking, whether it's smoking weed and smoking cigarettes, whatever, you know, like, listen, we all have our vices, so to speak. But the question is, can we have healthy relationships with them? Right.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
You know, short of you catching your boyfriend, like watching porn, even when he's like not masturbating or just like, you know, that would be weird, you know? But if, if this is really just when he masturbates, like, I think that's more, I'm again, not a therapist, but that doesn't sound like necessarily an addiction or a problem.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
It's just more like, it could be like a personal ick of yours, but like what you saw on his laptop versus what the reality of the situation is based on what you're telling me. there's a good chance you saw something you probably shouldn't have saw, you shouldn't have snooped, and the appearance of what you saw looked way worse than the reality of what it is.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
And I'm basing it on the fact that let's assume your boyfriend masturbates on a daily basis, and let's assume that when he masturbates, he's usually consuming porn, that that would explain the search history that you saw. And if that is all he's doing is whipping up the laptop for six minutes a day and watching, you know, a few seconds here, lands on one, you know, I don't know.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
It probably doesn't take him all that long to complete the task. You know what I'm saying? He's probably, you know, if you were had the benefit of watch time, it would probably be very minimal. Yeah. Okay. But that's assuming that's the truth. I don't know. Like, I don't know if he's sitting down and just watching these. That would be... But I also don't even know what classifies a porn addiction.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Did you look at like timestamps? Was that available?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
I think he's bopping around. I've cleared, you know, my search history before. And I think sometimes it could, you know, it's extensive. Yeah, it doesn't take much for a couple clicks to get all of those kind of registers, even though you didn't really even watch them, per se. It's definitely a possible explanation. You know, I don't. Okay. Yes.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
The fact that you saw it multiple days in a row and you saw several videos, I don't think means he's actually watching these.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
On a regular basis. It might just mean he's masturbating every day.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Well, how often are you guys hooking up, like having sex?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
I mean, it's pretty solid. It's pretty good. Where are you guys now as a couple?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
When you're saying you're more sexual, what do you mean by that? Why do you feel that way?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And so the more calm and like just confident and independent and secure person that you can be, the more desirable you'll be towards him. Right. But if you don't take my advice and you go on this trip and play house and you keep having sex with him and you let him call the shots about when to hang out and when he's ready and you say yes, when he asks you to, he'll never want to be your boyfriend.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
They're not even valid. These are facts. These aren't points.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Yes. And that never do that anymore. Don't make up fake deadlines. All they really do is take away your credibility.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Because it's like, you know, what is mid-February? I don't know. He might not be ready by mid-February. Right. It's you have to show him that you can resist him and say no to him and that you can enforce your standards and boundaries. And so that he has to meet your expectations from where he's ready right now. This is all about him being ready.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
So as long as he's not ready, he feels justified to say, I can't be your boyfriend, but do you still want to have sex? And you're going to calmly be like, yeah, you're not ready. But when you are ready here, I need you to do X, Y, and Z. If you want to be my boyfriend, I need you to do this. And you just be calm as fuck about it.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Yeah, if you can't stick to it, then you lose. Right.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Yeah, I mean, again, you get off on being in a position of power here. Like, this is, you know, kind of, you know, it's a little manipulative. Fine. But whatever. Play the game. Play it well. Yeah. Otherwise, he will be in the driver's seat and this can go on forever. It will go on forever. Almost certainly go on forever, especially, and you are at risk. You never know eight years, four months.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
He absolutely could get back together with her.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Yeah. I'm just saying he's not out of the woods yet. He's not eight years. He's not out of the woods. That's why, I mean, that's why he spent two hours talking to her because he feels an obligation to her. You got to do it right.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
There you go. Well, there you go. But so you got laid a couple of times. You've had some fun and now you, you got what you wanted. Now, if you really want what you really want, you're going to have to make, you're going to have to change course. You're going to have to mix it up. You have to stick to your guns.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I would literally reach out to him the next time you see him and just listen. I don't think we should stay in the same room. I like, I want to be clear. I'm not, I know you're going to think this is a drastic, but like, I just don't, I don't want to play house. I re I do. I really like you, but you're not ready. And I just don't think we should be sharing a hotel room when, when you're not ready.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And if he, and even if he's like, no, I'm ready to be like, no, like, listen, you're just reacting. We'll, we'll, we'll still go on this trip, but you cannot sleep with him on the trip.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I mean, you're saving yourself. I can't tell you how many hours and years of potentially months of heartbreak and disappointment and frustration with this guy.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Yeah, it shouldn't be that hard. I get it in the short run, but like I'm 100% right here.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
This one I'm confident about. Okay. So the choice is yours.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
He really is not ready. I mean, that how much I believe.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Forgetting about that. When I, when I, when I, me and my girlfriend of seven years off and on broke up. And again, I jumped into another relationship that moved very fast. So fast that like we moved in together and got engaged in a year and a half. I didn't stop thinking about the other girlfriend until after me and the next girlfriend a year and a half later broke up.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
So he's ready. But you creating distance and you showing him that you can say no to him and that you have your own standards and expectations he needs to meet. It will make him focus more on you. And what he needs to do for you and less focus on her. When you make it easy for him to have access to you, he doesn't have to invest his emotional energy in you.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And then he will have time and space to invest his emotional energy on feeling bad for his ex-girlfriend. If he's feeling bad for her, he's investing his energy in her.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Yeah. So he's, he's still emotionally trying to take care of her, which is understandable, but you need him to start emotionally meeting your needs and expectations and giving him what he wants when he wants it. Won't get it done.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Well, I consider you lucky, but why does that bother you? I'm assuming you wish you were in the group chat.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
So do you think if you asked to be a part of this group text, they would say no?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And, like, I don't fit in that equation. So then why do you want to be in this group chat?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Well, what if. Let's assume stepmom's not going to change.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And knowing that, let's assume, given that she's not going to change and that your stepmom is always going to have a sense of, you know, her kids and their kids are really the first priority and you're kind of, you know, the Cinderella of the group. Wouldn't it be safe to assume that being in this group chat would almost at times make you feel a certain way or allow them to trigger you
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
So like this sister, is she, is she your stepsister, your half sister, full sister? Like what's the relation between,
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Sure. But yeah, well that's all. Yeah. But like, so that your step-mom decided to adopt her. So I'm obviously in her mind, you know, there's going to be a special connection there. And like you've pointed out, step-mom has kind of gone out of her way to, make you feel a little less important.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Like, do you, do you want a matching tattoo with that woman?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I completely, I completely hear you on why that bothers you. I really do. You know, however, we are talking about someone who, let me, do you even like her?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
um at times i do at other times i can't stand her okay well it's normal but like i i just like this is like i want what you can't have and i understand why you want it and you have the right to want it but it's like your desire to want to be in this group chat and your desire to have a matching tattoo with someone is mostly based off of you not being asked rather than the fact that you want to go
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
It's like, you know, when I was single, there was just a lot of events I wanted to be asked to be a part of that I honestly didn't want to go to.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And I would care more if I wasn't asked. But to be honest, I was like, I don't really want to go. You know, it's the same mindset. So you have the right to be upset. But I think you would be happier if you could just accept the fact that, you know, as upsetting as it is, this woman operates this way. And...
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
You know, I'm just a big believer in it's a lot easier to be around people, whoever those people are, when you just accept who they are.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
No, I don't think you're making it up at all. I just think you're an adult. You know, you have your own life. You know, you have a partner. Did you say, do you have kids?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
You have your, you have your own family and yeah, you don't like how step mom is handling yourself. And yes, it's affecting your relationship with your dad, but your relationship with your dad's never been great. And on some level, Well, not on some level. On the most level, that's his responsibility.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
It's like, you know, she obviously is influencing him, but like he's allowing himself to be influenced by her. Yeah. And I just think you're going to have to decide how much energy you want to give these people who have demonstrated a lifetime of making you feel less than. And I don't think you should cut them off. I don't think it's like has to be a black and white situation.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I think there's just a big difference between cutting them off and just like, again, accepting their shortcomings and taking what you can get, so to speak. Tom Sandoval comes to mind. I'm not like close friends with the guy, but where other people like are like, I want nothing to do with him. I'm not offended by Tom Sandoval's presence. I'm fully aware of who Tom Sandoval is.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I don't expect more of Tom Sandoval than I think I should. Tom Sandoval has never disappointed me. I guess this is family, and so it's not the best comparison. But I really think in general, why I often don't get disappointed by people is because I quickly am honest with myself about how I think they are.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And if they continue to demonstrate to me an inability to meet my expectations, then I stop having those same expectations of them. And when you stop having expectations of people, they stop disappointing you. And you can still have people who you have very little expectations of still be a part of your life.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
You know, we've had this similar conversation for a different reason with a caller, but this was like a parent-child relationship call. And I get it. It's heartbreaking not to have the relationship with your parent that you wish you had. And I say that as someone who's very lucky to have that relationship. So I'm saying that in a position of privilege.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And so I understand that I don't know what it's like to be in your shoes. At the same time, for people I do know, who are in your position, they've been able to be happier and have a better relationship with those people when they stop expecting them to be something they've clearly proven they can't be, you know?
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So, you know, coupled with the fact that like, I get, you know, no one likes to be left out, but there's a good chance being in this group chat would make you feel not better, but worse.
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Yeah, I don't think you have to be confrontational. If you ever wanted to, to your dad to say, I would really love it if you would include me more, if you were willing to do that with the stuff that you do with the family. And if you don't want to, that's fine, but it would mean a lot to me if you included me more.
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Why would you be scared to say that to your dad?
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That's a really good headline. So who did you hook up with?
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Well, you're not asking him about his feelings.
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But there's a huge difference between calling up your dad and saying, you never include me. I'm always Cinderella. You're the worst. Why can't you be different? You call someone, whether you're right or wrong, you call someone up and say that, they're going to get defensive.
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If you call someone up and say, hey, if you ever wanted to include me, it would mean a lot if you guys included me more without complaint. Don't complain. Just say what would tell them what would make you feel good. Everybody likes helping other people out because when you help someone out, it makes them feel good too. So tell your dad how he can help you make you feel good.
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He may not take the bait. But, and I don't know, you know, maybe he'll lose his mind and argue with you and whatever. It's possible. I mean, who knows? But he's far less likely to do that because you're not accusing him of anything. You're not giving him a real reason to be defensive. You're just asking for a favor. You're not complaining about stepmom.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
You're not pointing out that you're never included in anything. Just tell him what he can do to make you feel better and see what happens.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Well, you're much better at confrontation than you give yourself credit for. So don't be confrontational and just tell him ways that he can help you because people love to help people.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I hear you. And again, like it's a tough, I'm not saying it doesn't suck and you have every right to bother you, but accepting who people are and being honest with yourself about who they are and what their limitations are is a great way to stop being disappointed and having you get hurt.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
If I insisted that Tom Sandoval be my main confidant and the person I trusted all my deepest, darkest secrets with and needed Tom Sandoval to be my emotional support system, I might be very disappointed often. If I allowed how Tom treated me to impact how I feel about myself,
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Your roommate's slash best friend's friend. Friend. Okay, okay. This person, they're not your friend.
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And again, I understand that a guy who's not even that much of a friend of mine is not different than your father, but the premise still applies is that your dad has given you years and years and years of proof that he's just not that great of a dad to you. And he has a hard time being the empathetic, emotional, loving dad that you wish he was.
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So just accepting that he's not that person and stop hoping that he's going to be that person is going to set you up for success better with your dad. And then just communicating to him things that would make you feel more connected to him without complaining about things he has or hasn't done in the past is a much more effective way of getting what you want from him or anyone else.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
It's not a false reality. It's just more hope, you know? Yeah. Again, like I'm sure you've seen other people in your life have parents who've done the things you wish your dad would do.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And your brother, what's your relationship with your brother? Is he also adopted?
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So again, it's, it's not meant to make you feel better, but instead of, I mean, go to therapy, but instead of talking about the same thing with your therapist over and over and have this thing be a constant thing that you, it sounds like up in this point, every time your dad and step mom treat you a certain way, you ask yourself, well, what did I do wrong? Where did it all go wrong?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
The answer is obvious. She is clearly a loud voice in that family. And she has decided that her adopted daughter and the son that she gave birth with is just more important than her stepdaughter, who she doesn't feel is connected to. And she has decided to kind of be a dick about it. And that has nothing to do with you. She's just that kind of shitty stepmom.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
So before we get into it, what are the potential problems that you're concerned about?
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And honestly, it's more common than you think. It really is.
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There is some truth to that. I think it's very common. And I don't even think sometimes the parents realize it. Natalie has seven siblings, right? They all have the same dad. Four of her siblings are full siblings. She's got three siblings that are half siblings. She's, you know, they're all family now. But her oldest sister, which is technically her half sister... Mm-hmm.
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you know like she's close with natalie's mom but like she has a version of when she was like a teenage girl and her dad married natalie's mom like she has a version of that story that i think is different than natalie's mom's version and it may not be quite as like you know but i don't think she felt quite as loved by natalie's mom as the love that natalie's showed for her own kids
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
You know, and I would, you know, I don't think it was malicious or intentional. So like, you know, and maybe this woman that your stepmom was a total nightmare. But what you need to focus on is that like, it's not you. It's not your fault. There's nothing to figure out and stop being like, oh, well, what did I do wrong? Like, you didn't you didn't do nothing wrong.
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And stop expecting your dad to do things differently when he hasn't shown anything different over the years. And instead of saying things that are going to make him feel like he needs to defend himself, ask for his help and try to make it as simple as possible for him to help you.
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Just like, listen, it really makes me feel good when you guys include me. I'd love to be closer with you guys. You know, he might say, well, maybe you shouldn't have cut us off back then.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And it's just like, yeah, maybe I shouldn't have, but I guess I'm, and then you say without being confrontational and taking the bait, you say, just say, yeah, I'm sorry, but I really just want to focus on a better relationship going forward with you. And I, you know, you know, you might have to be the bigger person here and it sucks.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
No one likes to be the bigger person when it comes to their parent. No one's the parent or child, but like, you know, as we get to be adults, sometimes we have to.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
That's the thing. It doesn't, you know, it's not going to get you anywhere, you know?
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Do you want to be ready? Do you want to be happy?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Yeah. And that's better than nothing. And that's better than constantly feeling less than and fighting with your dad. You know, it's like, it's the waste of your energy.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Maybe, but I, I, I wouldn't want to be in that group chat.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And so why did you why did your friend feel the need to tell her?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
But you again, that should stop surprising you.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
She does not see you as a part of her family. It's that simple.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
You did cut them off for a period of time.
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On a one-off, that does seem a little petty and a little bit overreactive, but that's not really the point, and we're not here to litigate the past, but I think the big takeaway from that is
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
You not accepting people for who they are and continuing to have unrealistic expectations sets you up for disappointment after disappointment so that when they make some kind of remark that honestly she probably thought nothing of it, you overreact and lose your shit.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Stop wasting all this energy on that family. Focus on your family.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
That's a lot of energy. You're focusing on people who aren't appreciating your love and that's energy you could be giving your kids and your partner.
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All right. Well, good luck. Keep us posted on how, you know, I'd love to hear if you're able to implement this and if that improves your waste and energy. Because right now, I think your problem is just how much energy you're wasting on this. And none of it is really the rest. You just have to accept for it for what it is. There's nothing else to change because they're not going to.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
But how is telling her that her ex-boyfriend of four months had sex with another girl helping her? Unless she like asked.
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Thank you for saying that. Because it's been really helpful. Well, I appreciate you saying that. And thank you for listening. And best of luck.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Okay. Well, I'm very sorry to hear about your mom. What do you mean by abandoning you over Christmas?
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And is your friend, Jessica, these are fake names, everybody. Was she upset with you or was she just, you know, whatever, whatever.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
You're dating for like about a year, you said?
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Okay. calling in i'm curious like what i mean obviously you're hurting right now like hearing you talk it really reminds me of breakups i had in the past um and so i can hear you talk it really brought me back to you know some difficult times i had in in uh in my life, what are you hoping to get out of this call and what can I help you work through?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
She didn't care, but she was just trying to be a good friend to the ex.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Well, that sucks. I mean, the financial part and the fact that it sounds like the location was mostly based around her. Have you looked at, just talking practical stuff, are you able to sell this? Not ideal and not convenient, and maybe you might not get back what you put in. What can you get out of this, assuming you don't want to move forward with this particular piece of property? I...
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Okay, so if I'm hearing you right, to me that sounds like right now, fucking sucks. But in reality, it's just an extra fucking, you know, fucking knife. It feels like a real added fuck you that you didn't need in an already difficult situation.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
well what am i supposed to do here and there was other things attached to it also but you know so when you're talking and i said you know when i said a lot of what you're saying reminds me it really reminds me of the first time i got engaged and that was like 20 Fuck, man, I was 28. That was, I don't know how many years ago, a lifetime ago.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
You know, a lot of different situations, but when you're talking, so obviously a lot of what you're expressing is coming from your feelings. So even when you first said, you know, my girlfriend abandoned me when my mom passed and over Christmas, what I'm hearing is I feel abandoned. you know, by my girlfriend because of how she handled the breakup around my mother's passing over Christmas.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And Christmas is, you know, I get why you're saying that because that feels like a time where people have, you know, they usually connect. And when you don't have someone over those times, you feel abandoned. And I say feel because... Well, I don't know your girlfriend and I don't know her story. If I'm just taking an objective approach at this, people have a right to leave relationships.
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Did this Emily person, I'm assuming she like lost her shit and...
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Obviously, you know that, right? And then I hear you talking and a lot of what you're saying right now is you're relitigating promises you guys made as a couple to each other.
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you know the expectation that you guys would get married or engaged you know like clearly you weren't like someone who was just like flying by the seat by their pants like you made a financial investment in this property into this ring and a lot of those investments were based off of conversations you two had and expectations that you guys said as a couple and now you feel
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misled you feel lied to you feel probably manipulated and things like that and when me and my fiance at the time broke up i remember being at work and i was like heartbroken as fuck and i remember i just one co-worker and well two co-workers donna and carmen and man i would spend all day be like she said this to me and i don't know and they would always like Yeah, that's fucked up.
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And like, you know, I was just like talking with the girls. I was just constantly talking about all the shit she said that she no longer backed up with her actions. And in my mind, I was just like, I just got angrier and angrier at her and mad and mad. And like, you know, I was hurt. And I think right now, listen, it's still really raw. It's so raw.
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And obviously, you're also dealing with the passing of your mom. So now you probably haven't even been able to fully deal with that loss because you've had to deal with this loss, which you were hoping that your girlfriend would be there for you to help you with the loss of your mother. And I can completely understand why you feel abandoned.
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So listen, I guess if you're hoping for advice on how to move on, The best advice I can give you is a lot of what you're ruminating over right now is something I'm very familiar with and something I was very good at doing when I was in your position when I was younger. And that is definitely gonna make you stuck as opposed to helping you move on.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And for whatever reason, your girlfriend opted out of this relationship. I don't know her. Whatever she said to you, I'm not ready for this. I mean, when people break up with someone, all they're trying to do is just get out of that conversation as fast as possible without feeling like the bad guy. You know what I'm saying? And there's nothing she could have said to you that would have made you go,
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Oh, okay. I see your point. Yeah, I'm good. We should break up. You didn't want to break up. You cared about her. You felt differently than her. I don't know why she opted out. She did. It fucking stings. It happened at the worst possible time. not even comparing it to your loss, but I was like fucking 19. My very first girlfriend that we ended up getting back together off and on.
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But the first time she broke up with me, my mom was having very serious head surgery. And I just remember wishing I had my girlfriend and feeling very abandoned. And that really stuck with me and fucked me up a little bit. But Listen, right now, again, give yourself some grace because this is so raw and it just happened and it's just going to take a little bit of time.
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Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how big of a deal that is, to be honest. I know people might disagree with me, but who'd you hear that from?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
But what will help you start moving on faster, what you really need to stop doing as much as you can is to re-litigate things that she said to you in the past. and trying to make sense of why she said what she said in the past and compare that to what she did in terms of ending the relationship and breaking your heart. Because none of it will make sense. It will just piss you off.
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And you'll feel more right. And yeah, in your mind, she'll just be more of a monster. But that really won't make you hate her. It will just make you miss her. And it just doesn't help you move on.
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Yeah, I mean, which is easier said than done at first. It's really the ruminating. I'm a big believer now that you can control your thoughts. And I think there's a big difference in it because I used to not think that. I used to argue with my dad. I'm like, I can't help how I feel. I'm sad. There's nothing I can do about it. And yeah, you can't do anything about your feelings.
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We can't help the thoughts that pop in our head. You're going to wake up tomorrow morning And I don't know, something she said is going to pop in your head and it's going to trigger you and piss you off. Nothing you can do about that. That's going to happen.
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But what I used to do, and it sounds like you're doing a lot of as well, is this thought will pop in your head instead of just being like, yeah, I fucking sucked. And then try to, I don't know, think of something else, work, I don't know, whatever your interests are, you know, a hobby, calling your buddy up, asking you to get you out of your fucking mind, go golfing, whatever the fuck it is.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I think there's just a lot of gray. There's a lot in that in that conversation. You know, if he is reaching out to her on a regular basis and just letting her know that, like, hey, we might get back together again.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Instead of doing that, you're having a conversation with her in your head by yourself. I couldn't tell you how many arguments I've had with ex-girlfriends in my head by myself in the car. If someone saw me, I'd probably look like a fucking crazy person. And you're probably doing a lot of that. Everyone in your shoes does that right now.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And the trick to trying to move forward faster is to catch yourself And be like, all right, fuck, you know, I'm Max, you're fucking doing it. Like, just think of something else, you know? I don't know. Like, instead of doing, I used to obsess over the car my ex used to drive. And then all of a sudden I was like, everywhere I go, I'm seeing a silver Ford Focus.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I was like, no, I'm just looking for them. And you know what? They were at the time a very popular car. And so I was just obsessing over things that convincing myself of all this shit. And that was just me obsessing, ruminating. And I wasn't stopping myself and just checking myself. Because again, this is raw. You're going to hurt for a while. That's inevitable.
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There's nothing you can do about it. But the difference between hurting for a month or two versus a year is your ability to to get better at acknowledging these thoughts and instead of ruminating over and over, work on getting out of that headspace, finding the distractions. I'm a big believer in kind of faking it to your making in this department.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I used to when I had my heart broken, when people would be like, how are you doing? I'd be like, I'm fucking miserable, man. I'm just like, I am fucking miserable. I would wear my pain on my sleeve and I'd mope around. That didn't help. I went through another heartbreak later and I was just like, I'm not gonna do that anymore. And when people would ask, I'd be like, I'm good, man.
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And I didn't feel good inside. I did not feel good. But when I went out and I hung out with my friends, you know, yeah, I found one or two friends to vent to and get it off my chest. But for everyone else, I wasn't gonna like burden my, like wear my pain on my sleeve and just like mope around. every day that I started saying, you know what, I'm doing all right.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I believed it a little bit more and a little bit more. And I started just being all right. If you do that one day, you'll wake up and be like, I'm actually, you know what, I haven't thought about it in a while. You'll go from thinking about it every day to thinking about it half the day. And then half the day will become a third of the day. But you have to challenge yourself to not do that because
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Before I did that, for six months, I wore this on my sleeve. My mom called me every morning and for an hour, I had an hour drive to work and for an hour every day, I would fucking ruminate about it.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And, you know, as much as it was great to talk to my mom, it just made a bad situation worse because I stayed in it and I hung on to that pain because quite honestly, that was the last thing I had of the relationship was the pain.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
When was the last time that he was like, I don't know, maybe, sure, like, maybe, I don't know, maybe we'll get back together.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Was she accusing you of being like a jerk or stealing? What is she?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Well, listen, like hopefully this is just a one-off situation where, you know, tensions are high between the two of you. I mean, and quite honestly, the more you describe about this person, and I'm not trying to talk shit on her or anything like that, but like you only have known this person for a little over a year. she maybe just is not the person you thought she was.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Like the person I got engaged to first, like, you know, great person, not my person, but I definitely didn't see that at the time. And she really fucked me up when we broke up. And it took a long time to be like, you know what? I mean, thank God. that relationship ended, you know, and the more you talk, it's just like, you know, maybe she's just not your person.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And, but I think what's really important now is, and I would, you know, listen, when we break up unexpectedly and it feels blindsided and they'll, and that person doesn't give us the quote unquote closure that we think we need, even though it's not really her job to give you closure, but it certainly doesn't feel that way. We hang on to hope.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And I think whatever hope that you may have had about this relationship and getting back together, my hope for you is that mentally you have said goodbye to this relationship and you have let go of the possibility of getting back together. Where do you land on that?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I want the things that have been revealed to you since you've broken up that have made you, that have kind of soured her in your mind. If you're going to focus on anything, focus on that. And that's not to disparage her or whatever. Eventually, she simply just won't be a thought in your mind. But for now, your heart is going to want to romanticize
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Yeah, I mean, this is a lifetime ago, but my last serious relationship before I ever went on The Bachelor. Overall, it was a great relationship. We did it for two and a half years, and we were just butting heads, and so we broke up. And at the time, it was the closest thing I ever had to a mutual breakup. We were living together. We were just butting heads.
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about the relationship and the promises that were made and things like that, it's time to just say, this relationship is over. It's about moving forward, about moving on. Get back to reinvesting into yourself and the gym and hanging out with your guys and higher education and things like that. And when it comes to this property, listen, You just got to take the L, you know?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I had to sell my engagement ring for a loss, you know? It sucked, but you take the L. You've been through some difficult times with your background, you know? Clearly, you must have some resiliency in you. You know what it's like to get knocked down. This is about not getting yourself knocked down and getting back up.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And so instead of feeling bad for yourself and, oh, that was stupid and I shouldn't have done that or whatever negative thoughts that you, you know, whatever. You took the fucking L. And now this is about figuring out how to make the most of that situation. Figure out what do you need to do this property? I don't know. You got to be pragmatic about it. You got to take the emotion out of it.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
You got the sentimental, what it was meant to be. Fuck that shit. Now this is a piece of investment property that wasn't your plan, but talk to who you need to talk to and get the best sound advice about the best solution for this property, whether it ends up being a bit of investment property that you hang on to or you hang on to it for a period of time before you're able to sell it.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And even if it's at a loss, Just make the best business decision for yourself and take the feelings and the romance out of it and don't allow yourself to ruminate and have any sentimental value for this property. It's just a piece of land.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Yeah. You're going to be sad. It's still really raw. Like that's normal. She's going to pop in your head. You're going to want to ruminate. You're just going to have to like get better and better at checking yourself and not doing it. Are you in any type of therapy?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
lean into that man especially with the loss of your mom because right now you have to be mindful of the fact that like this breakup has not allowed you to process the loss of your mom so like be mindful of that you know whether it's the support group or you know jumping into therapy i would make a serious investment in making sure that you are able to get this shit out in a productive way not just like ruminating it with your friends or whatever
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
But just making sure that you are dealing with this loss of your mom and properly moving on from your girlfriend. Because this is emotional energy. And that emotional energy could be put to a lot of other things that are far more productive. But until you deal with it, it's going to cost. So a lot of people say, I don't want to spend money on therapy or whatever.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
If you want to think about it pragmatically, it's just figuring it out now. Because that shit ain't going to go anywhere until you deal with it.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Yeah. And let's listen. There's a world. And if you were to try to learn anything from your relationship, again, if you're going to think about your relationship, think about what you can learn from it. Don't relitigate the past. This is not about figuring out how you were a victim in that relationship or why she's a total monster. If you're going to think about it, what could you learn?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
She moved out, but I was a couple years older than her. This was her first serious relationship, but I already had a seven-year relationship that was a nightmare for me to get out of. I had a failed engagement already. I was at the point in my relationship life where I was done getting back together with exes. And when we broke up, she very much was like, let's just take a break.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And I don't know. You were only dating this person for a year. It takes a long time to get to know someone, even if it feels like you've known them for a long time. you know, listen, people move fast and sometimes people get it right. But like, I don't know, you know, maybe she did feel like things were moving too fast. You know what I'm saying?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
So like next time it can get really exciting when you're in love and you make big plans together, but don't be afraid to check in with your partner and just say, Hey, listen, like we can always slow down and let's just make sure we're ready because sometimes people can move too fast and sometimes that can freak people out. And sometimes, you know, people don't know how to express their emotions and
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
and things feel intense and then they don't do it and it bottles up and then they just kind of leave because they don't know how to handle it. And that sounds a lot like what your girlfriend did.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Yeah. Maybe. And maybe she was. How old was she?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
So listen, obviously, you know, I mean, my wife is a lot younger than me. We met when she was 21. That's a risk, man. When me and my now wife got together, you know, you're going to date someone a lot younger than you.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
You had to prepare yourself for the fact that like, you know, when you were 22, you were pretty sure about what you wanted only to realize that maybe you didn't want the things that you thought you wanted. And there was a lot of, at least when I was 22,
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
That should help you make you feel that again with the ruminating, you know, instead of trying to figure things out, you can just chalk it up to the fact that like, you know, maybe she just thought she wanted this. She didn't want it. And that is a risk of dating someone a bit younger than you.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Yeah. All right. Well, hopefully this was helpful, man.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
All right. Well, you know, it sounds like you're doing a lot of the right things. Really just keep doing it. Allow yourself to feel because it's still really raw. But just check yourself when you're ruminating. Keep leaning into that support group. I would look into therapy and just keep investing yourself. And I think this will get better over time.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
You know, just be willing to learn from the things that didn't work out.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I appreciate your call. It's always great. I mean, not great that you're going through this, but really love hearing from the men out there who also go through some of the relationship problems. It's nice to hear. So I appreciate your vulnerability.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And I was very sad that we broke up. I really was. I hated how much we fought. And I'm sure at some point I was like, yeah, I mean, like, yes, maybe we'll see how things go. We'll see how this break goes. But just so saying that doesn't make it illegal for either of those two people to date or hook up or do whatever the fuck.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
So short of him, like, again, proactively saying this to her as like a manipulation tactic to stop her from going out and living her life and seeing other people. I don't really think this is that big of a deal.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I don't think he really, I don't think he's the bad guy that she is trying to paint him to be to everyone in this group of friends, just because at some point he was telling her like, there's a possibility things might work out.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Forget about the ex. What is this with you two right now?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Sorry for interrupting. My first girlfriend, we did it off and on for seven years. I've written about her. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah, sure, yeah. Anyways, yeah, it will... That's tough. Yeah, those eight-year relationships will fuck you up. So I do have empathy for this ex. It doesn't mean she's right, but I do have empathy for her. So anyways, he doesn't want to be in a relationship
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Okay, so here's what you need to do. It's real simple. It sounds like things are going pretty good, but you are in dangerous territory right now.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And you are at a crossroad. But it's not too late. And I'm glad you called in at the right time because you're still in a slight position of power. Because it sounds like he really enjoys spending time with you. And I don't doubt that your friend said that he's known to be a relationship. I mean, listen, he was in an eight-year relationship.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
But I was in a seven-year relationship. He will have fear of entering in a relationship. And just because he's a relationship guy doesn't mean he can't also give fuck boy. You did a pretty good job trying to set some boundaries. You had the best intentions. The problem with your pitch is that it includes giving him the milk for free, so to speak, right?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And allowing him to have access to all the benefits of having you as a girlfriend without the commitment. And no one... gives that up easily. You need to, as soon as possible, next time you see him, say like this, like, listen, I also, by the way, I love hanging out with you. This is great. Really enjoy your time. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Empathize with them at first.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I know that obviously you got out of a very long relationship. That's, I don't even know what that's like. That must be crazy. I totally get it. But I've rethought about what I said. Don't ask him. Tell him how you feel. You're just expressing how you feel. You're like, I do think we're actually moving a little fast. You ought to admit we're playing a little house. I mean, listen,
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I love hanging out with you. So like, it is hard for me to say no, but like, and I hope you feel the same about me, but like you have some things to figure out because you got all this relationship and I'm not saying I don't want to see you anymore, but I think you need to figure this out, you know? And I think we should just stop doing what we're doing right now.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And I don't think we should hook up anymore. And I don't want to spend the night or vice versa. Like, If you want to take me on a date, ask me out on a date, we can take things super slow. I really like you. And I hope that we continue to hang out on a regular basis. But like, I don't want to sleep with you anymore until we're something.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And if you don't want to be that, if you're not ready, that's also totally okay. But like, I don't want to play girlfriend if you're not going to be my boyfriend. And I don't want to put pressure on you. And I don't think you're ready. Right. And you tell him you don't think he's ready. And then you don't say it if you can't back it up. No, I know.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
If you're going to say I'm not going to sleep with you and then next week hook up with him late at night because you're feeling horny, don't waste your time because you will lose credibility.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And listen, you just be very chill about it. And just like, listen, again, if he's like, well, this is crazy. It's just like, you're not ready for a relationship. And like people who take vacations together and share hotel rooms are like, that's, I do that with boyfriends. And you say like, listen, this is my fault. I shouldn't have done this.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I don't know your financial situation, but that's not an issue. Yeah. So if it's not an issue, like, I don't think it should come to this and hopefully people switch rooms, be like, if it's a matter of money, like I I'll get my own room or whatever. I'll, I'll cover that. Cause I don't want to inconvenience you, but like be the independent person. Like that's attractive.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
The more you show him that you don't need him, the more he will want you, the more you pull away and that you do it calmly and you be the, like right now he's dealing with the crazy ex and I'm not, I'm sure she's not crazy. She's just going through it, but you get what I'm saying.
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E855 Ask Nick - His Ex-Engagement Ring
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E855 Ask Nick - His Ex-Engagement Ring
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And then if you enjoy that conversation, they're going to play the rest of it after our callers. So we didn't want to cut any of the great interview with Mel out, but we just kept talking. We were going to just have it be an Ask Nick intro. And then, you know, two podcasters kind of went with it. So without further ado, Mel Robbins and your callers.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
I mean, I'm thinking about this right now and I'm thinking I've been both people. I mean, I'm sure most people have been both people. We have all... Yes.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
I was thinking, hearing you talk, and I'm curious if you experience this too. I find that like when people listen to advice, whether it's at this show or your show, they have a way of interpreting it in the manner in which serves them best in that moment. You know, it's like, well, you told me to do this. I'm like, yeah, well, I didn't mean it like that, you know?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And I'm thinking about like the kind of the just do it, the, you know, just get up. In kind of the context of a lot of our listeners on the show who are out there dating, seeking love,
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
hanging out with in a situation ship with someone they've been wasting a lot of time a lot of the stuff we talk about this show is I mean I guess it is doing something but it's a lot of not doing something yeah not investing in things that aren't serving you not reaching out to the person you know you shouldn't reach out to not ruminating over the relationship that's been over for four months but you're just choosing to mentally live in that space and
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
How do you, when you're giving advice, I mean, you can't really control how people think and apply what you're teaching them, but yeah, I find that often, it's like even like therapy, it's like, well, I'm a therapist, blah, blah, blah. It's like, I don't think your therapist meant it that way type of thing. It's like-
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
How do you make sure, how as people, when we hear advice, how do we ensure that when we're taking this advice, we don't like, I'm thinking out loud, like the 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 could be applied to be like, oh, well, Mel told me to text him kind of thing. Well, I should just do it.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
What is the Let Them Theory?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
The very special and very talented and informed Mel Robbins is with us to talk about her new book, Let Them. I was really excited to have Mel on. Mel, by the way, welcome. Thank you. Good to be with you. You guys know I talk so much about your energy, protecting your energy, not wasting your energy. And I came across Mel in her book. Many of you probably listen to her show, follow her.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And how do you help motivate yourself? Because I'm thinking about what you're saying and it resonates a lot with what I tell my audience. I just find that a lot of people won't execute, so to speak.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Sure. Totally. But I'm just saying like for the people listening, like who are stuck just making the same mistake over and over and over.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
So for the people listening, you're just saying it's just a matter of when's enough enough for them.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
probably very excited to have her. But when I find people like you, you know, talking in different ways about similar concepts, it's always interesting to kind of invite people like yourself in to see if there's a kind of a different way to articulate the kind of the same ideas, so to speak, you know, and I find that, you know, like on this show, I offer a lot of advice.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Well, if you like what you've heard and you want to hear more again, we're going to finish this in review with Mel after these callers. How's it going?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Okay. All right. Tell me about this friendship.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And there isn't an episode where I'm not like I'm not a therapist. I'm an expert. You know, I kind of disclose that. Yeah. Neither am I. Yeah. But I find that an ability to take a concept and deliver it in a way for people to digest, you know, because it's, you know, through our lived experiences.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
This isn't dating. This is you feeling feelings for someone that you have some kind of relationship with. And dating is more like the willingness to meet strangers in the hopes that maybe something will develop. For me, this is a very nuanced decision, right? Because I'm not for homewrecking, so to speak. I'm for respecting other people's relationships, right?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
But I don't think telling him how you feel is a violation of either of those two things. I think your actions, you know, so I guess my question to you is your interactions with this guy, forgetting about how you feel, right? Let's assume, you know, but do you think, I mean, obviously if his girlfriend knew you had feelings, she would be uncomfortable with you two hanging out.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
But from his point of view, without reading into how you think he could be feeling about you, we just don't know how he feels about you. So not knowing how he feels about you, from your point of view about his actions and your two's interactions, would his girlfriend have any reason to be upset with him? Does that make sense?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
But what are you talking about?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And I'm curious where you kind of got to this place where you were talking about these things, because, you know, I understand that you used to be like a legal analyst. on CNN. And now you are talking about mental health. You're talking about, you know, things like this in your book.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
But do he, has he flirted with you at all?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Before we get into that, I do want to make one thing clear. Are you 100% prepared to say, to end this relationship?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Yeah, it's possible. But let's just, you know, you're I'm assuming a straight heterosexual woman and he is a straight heterosexual man. This friendship has an end date regardless. You know what I'm saying?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
So your question is, is are you willing to end this friendship as soon as today? Let's say you were let's say you get off the phone with me today. You shoot your shot and you don't get the answer you want. You know, and there's an argument to be made being like, I don't know, I enjoy the guy's company.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
So how did you go from, you know, where you were in your life, having a legal background to talking about this type of stuff and how it's affecting interpersonal relationships and social dynamics and things like that?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
I know it has an expiration date, but you know, I'm just going to enjoy it while it's around because I like smoking weed with the guy. I enjoy our conversations. But also the question is, is how are you going to feel about that? The alternative is, is not telling him, right? Has your ability to enjoy his company diminished since realizing you have feelings?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
So to answer your friend's question, is it possible your feelings are fleeting and this is a temporary thing that you're feeling about him for who knows what reasons? and that you will come to find out that really you do more respect him as a friend, and you don't know why you had romantic feelings for him at the time, but you don't anymore. Is that possible? Sure. But I don't know.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You already aren't enjoying his company as much as you used to because you do have feelings now. You don't know how long those feelings are going to last if they are in fact fleeting. And my guess is it's probably never going to be what it was.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Well, okay. So anyways, I'm still in favor of telling him. To be clear, you know, for all the people who are listening, who are losing their mind and be like, how could you tell her to like shoot your shot with a guy in a relationship? It is not your job to protect his relationship. It is your job to respect his relationship.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You communicating your feelings isn't being disrespectful to that relationship. That is just being honest with them about how you feel and giving him the opportunity to explore his feelings because, you know, His behavior in your friendship doesn't, I agree, doesn't align with how I would conduct myself in a committed relationship.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
But, you know, so it is important for you if you want to maintain your integrity in this situation is to let's say you shoot your shot. You don't get the answer you want. There's a good chance he's going to want to keep hanging out with you. And at that point, would you still be willing to be like, I just don't think that's appropriate anymore, given like, you know, what I just admitted to you?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Do you think you've made it completely unobvious to him that you have feelings? I mean, it's obvious to your friends.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
how do you compare? Do you look like her? Do you not look like her?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Well, sure. I mean, of course. But I mean, I just I'm curious if like if you were a slim, petite blonde, so to speak, and his girlfriend is a curvy brunette.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Yeah. If I were to told you you have a 20 percent chance of him of getting the answer you want, would you still shoot your shot?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
I think you should do it. I don't think the odds really matter. I'm just trying to prepare you for the, I mean, I think you have better odds not getting the answer that you want. I think guys aren't as, clever or smart or in tune with their emotions to not demonstrate how they feel often. I do think it's weird he's talking about her less and less.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
I do think the trip you guys went on together, I would never have done that.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Maybe the one that was kind of like your wake-up call.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You think your friends are fairly objective? I feel like.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
I'm thinking about the time when I've had girlfriends confess to me that they were in love with me or liked me or had feelings for me. One in particular, I was, yeah, I mean, that was a long, long time ago. And I did have a crush on this girl, and she was beautiful. But at the time in which she admitted feelings to me, I just, I wasn't receiving it.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
I remember her crying in the car. We were sitting in her car. I was in the driver's seat, and she just started crying. It was so awkward. Yeah.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Anyways. Yeah, I don't know. Listen, that's a matter of like, what are you most comfortable with? Because again, whether you write him a letter or send him a text or FaceTime him or do it in person, I really ultimately don't think it matters. I think it's just, this is about letting him know. This is about, right? Like you two clearly have had a relationship.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You guys are clearly spending quality time together, right? And despite like not flirting and granted, again, it's his job to protect the relationship. Like, you know, like you said, you went on a you went on a double date trip. It's a couple's trip. It felt like. But, you know, no lines were crossed or whatever. He invited you. You didn't even understand.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Like, you know, it's like, OK, that was that's on him. You didn't you know, what are you supposed to do in that situation? Right.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
So I, you know, I don't know. It's just kind of your comfort level. This is about planting the seed so that just in case, you know, the hope here is that, you know, he's having the same conversation we're having with a buddy or a friend or whatever, being like, I think I kind of like her, but I have this girlfriend. I don't know.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And I don't want to ruin my friendship or make it, you know, and the hope is, is that you're going to say something and he might, I doubt very much. It's going to be like, yeah, me too. Immediately. Yeah.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Why don't you just get super fucking stone together and tell them.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You can't hang out on a school night?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Well, no, I mean, listen, I understand it because, you know, part of your brain thinking, well, do I really want to cancel for something that probably isn't going to go my way anyways? You know, that's that's the fear in you talking. If you're going to do this, you need to own this decision.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And if you're going to do this, then you need to realize that this is a potentially a life changing decision that you're making. You know, you're not I'm assuming. Right. Like you're not doing like who knows, like you could definitely tell him how you feel and you could get the answer that you want and you could date.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And just because you get the answer you want doesn't mean he's your forever person, but he might be. I don't know. Like, who knows? And so the point is, is you're shooting your shot about a feeling you have about someone. And this is a potentially big decision. And if you're going to make a big decision, you got to treat it like a big decision. And so, yeah, you should carve out the time.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Oh, it depends on why he's not making the time.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
How you say it, it's something like, listen, I don't think of you as just a friend anymore. And maybe I'm catching you a little off guard. I know you have a girlfriend and I'm not like saying I'm in love with you, but like I enjoy time with you different than I do Megan. you know, or Chad. And I don't know how you feel about me.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
I don't know if you've ever thought of me in any other way, but like, I know you have your girl and I know you're going with, you know, you have all these big decisions to make, but I have feelings for you. And... I don't know if it feels like a lot of pressure, but I need you to figure out what you want to do with your girlfriend because I don't want to be necessarily a homewrecker.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
But if there's any part of you that understands how I feel, I wanted to tell you because I know that you're kind of going through a lot when it comes to your girlfriend. And I wouldn't hate being the reason she doesn't move.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Like you try to, yeah, you, you, you try to keep it somewhat, you know, it's like, yeah, it's not like I'm in love with you, you know? But yeah, it's like, listen, I, you're not my pal. I don't, you know, like, you know, so I want to take more trips with you and I don't want to wonder if it's weird. You have a girlfriend, you know, it's saying shit like that. Right.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
I want to talk about going to Europe with you. I love spending time with you. And I want to do it without worrying if I'm being inappropriate with you having a girlfriend, because that's kind of how I feel now. And I think that's kind of important to say, because you're kind of also planting the seed that like, regardless of his answer, you don't want to keep doing this.
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The only thing I'm going against you and it's a big thing you have going against you is, you know, the fact that he has a girlfriend and he only sees her a few times a week. Is that like the why he's able to do what he's doing with you? And it feels the way it does is because you're playing his.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You are very much playing the role of a girlfriend and he's telling himself it's OK, you know, because you're not because you're not being physical and because you're not flirting. He has deemed it is OK to him. But like, it's just the quality time, you know, it's just the person to talk to, the person to go out to dinner with, the smoke weed with, to take a trip with.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Like all the non-sexual aspects of having a boyfriend or a girlfriend, you know, like there's a lot more relationships than just fucking, right? Like you're having sex.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
and that's a big part of it you know sex is a big part of relationships especially in your 20s when you're young and horny and just want to have sex but like you are filling that role and that's maybe another thing to kind of point out to him that this will be a thing to point out to him if you don't get the answer you want and when he and you're like i can't keep doing this and he's like well why not it's just because i'm playing the role of your girlfriend without all the benefits yeah 100 and also like like talked about sex and stuff before which i also feel weird about like
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Oh, you've talked about what you guys like in bed?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Yeah, it's definitely crossing a line.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Girls have to your point. Women have told their women friends about their sex life. And, and that happens all the time.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
The big question is, has he come to appreciate the same way you have come to appreciate all the quality time that you guys have shared? Is quality time your love language? I'd be willing to bet it is.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
It might not be his, right? So there is that. And so this quality time that you're getting with him is driving these feelings.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And so the question is, is that like when he doesn't get the quality time from you that he's used to, how will he feel about that? Because a big part of him of realizing how he feels about you most likely will be you saying I can't do you're going to have to leave his life and he's going to have to then evaluate how his life is without you in it.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And while still having his girlfriend in it.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You definitely have to make it very clear that this is the end of whatever you guys had. Yeah, of this dynamic. It either is some sort of new beginning if he decides to leave that relationship. And if he's like, well, what does that mean? You'd be like, I don't know. But I do know that I want to keep doing this without you having a girlfriend.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And I don't want to break up a relationship that is important. If you love her, then you should be with her. But given how I feel about you, I just I don't I'm not going to be your local girlfriend who plays the role of your girlfriend without the, you know, the stuff that we're not. I just I don't want to and I can't do that anymore.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And out of respect for you and her, you know, I'm just not going to keep doing this. But if you're open to exploring us, you know, if you've, if any part of you feels what I'm feeling and you've decided to leave that relationship, I want to take a trip with you. I want to hang out with you. I want to spend more time with you.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You know, I want to, that's all I know that that's, that's as far as I've gotten.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, please keep us posted.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
All right. Good luck. You really, I mean, you may get the answer you want right away, but this could be a bit of a process, right? But you you have to enforce that boundary.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
I can't emphasize that enough that if you don't get the initial answer that you want, you have to make it very clear that you are not willing to hang out with him and give in and like miss him and like go on that walk, you know, and talk.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And or, you know, grab that coffee.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
All right. Cause that's, that's the key that will make, that will force him to make a decision and it will force him to explore his feelings. Cause a lot of times if people don't make us decide, we're not going to decide. If people don't make us choose, we won't. If they, you know what I'm saying? If people don't make us really explore our feelings, we won't, you know?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And so you got to make, yeah, you got to make them do it.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Well, I sincerely appreciate it. And thank you for telling people to listen. And hopefully this was helpful.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Okay, the meeting his family, irrelevant, means nothing. The I love you, something. And when he says I love you, is it more like I would tell my brother I love you or he was like, I'm in love with you?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Okay, all right. Well, that's something then. When does he become your boyfriend? Whenever you're willing to hold him accountable. Or actually more accurately, whenever you're willing to hold yourself accountable, I'm guessing. I'm assuming you've had conversations about the label, yeah?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
So he said it to you without you just out of nowhere?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
I mean, I definitely don't count girlfriends in high school as...
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
So what conversations about labels have you guys had?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And I mean, you guys are exclusive.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Sorry for interrupting. But like when you guys had the exclusive conversation, what was that conversation like? And what expectations and boundaries did you guys set, if any, when you guys established that you guys were exclusive?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
But did that mean that the door was open if you wanted to entertain people? You know, I guess I'll be honest, like this whole like we're exclusive, but we're not boyfriend and girlfriend. It is a modern dating thing. I don't think only Gen Zers are doing it. I think the millennials have adapted it probably as well. But it is new. It is confusing to me and stupid.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
I think my understanding is this like it. In the way you're describing, it's like, yeah, we just said we weren't seeing other people, but it almost seems like, you know, people don't do things for no reason. So there is a reason why both of you or one of you that aren't calling each other boyfriend and girlfriend. I don't know what that reason is.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
A lot of times if there's one person really saying, I want to be boyfriend and girlfriend and the other person saying not yet, Well, there is a reason they're saying not yet. Might be like the loophole of what if I do meet someone I want to entertain? And their only reason you are exclusive right now is because there's no one they would rather fuck. You know, it's like. Yeah.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
He's probably not. And the truth is, had you guys decided to be boyfriend and girlfriend two months ago, that wouldn't necessarily protect or stop him from meeting someone, being attracted to them and then breaking up with you to date them. You know what I'm saying? And I think it's kind of my point is that I wanted to get to is that this is an unnecessary thing. thing that you guys have created.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
To be honest, what I want you to do is I want you to just be like, hey, by the way, we're boyfriend and girlfriend. And part of your problem is like, and I get where you're coming from. You want special moments. I understand that. But like, this is an unnecessary step and an unnecessary special moment.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And you are sacrificing clarity for yourself in this relationship in the hopes of some special moment. You know what I'm saying? The way you guys are talking, you're talking about an engagement. You're not getting engaged. Maybe not anytime soon. You're just trying to get some clarity so that you guys can move forward with this relationship and see if it could go anywhere.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
He doesn't need to propose to you to be your boyfriend. You know what I'm saying? He doesn't need to light candles and have a playlist and have family waiting to surprise you guys. You don't need that.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
What's it costing you, right? And you also have to recognize that this is a man, he's younger than you. So there's exceptions to every rule, but he's probably slightly less mature than you. Especially when it comes to dating, because I think typically... women have more options to date older men early in their adult life. And with that sometimes comes experience.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
It comes access to more adult people. And that's part of the reason why you might mature faster than him. You know, you've had More experience. And so part of it is it's like you do have more dating experience than him. You are a little older than him.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You being a woman, him being a man, and being older, you can safely assume that you're probably a little bit more emotionally experienced and mature than him. Not that you're so more mature that you can't date him or anything like that. I'm just saying, it's just like, here you are wanting this special moment. I appreciate that.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And then here's this guy who's never really had a real girlfriend and you're telling him it needs to be special. And he's like, all right, well, I guess it needs to be special. And like, you know, and then you're, you're almost building up something, you know, that he's needs to like really make sure he's ready for something.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And it's just like, and you're adding to the stakes of something that like, and all, all in, and the truth is, what do you really want here? Right. Clarity.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
It's possible because the way you're describing, you're not you're not describing a guy giving you the energy as someone who really wants to explore other options. To me, I think you guys are just kind of falling for society's trap of this whole like. I don't know. You guys can break up. Defining a relationship is not a special moment in a relationship. All it is is clarity.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
It is a step in a relationship to make both parties early in a relationship feel more secure, and it gives both people permission to continue to explore this relationship and have more trust and to be more vulnerable and open up more so that you can build a stronger connection. That's all it is. It's permission to go deeper and things like that. It's not a big commitment.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You can break up the next day. And that's kind of the problem that we've created with this whole like... boyfriend and girlfriend label versus, we've added an unnecessary extra step. That unnecessary extra step is like, we're exclusive, but not boyfriend and girlfriend. Like I still, for the life of me, don't know what the fuck that is for people who do that.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You know, your boyfriend and girlfriend, whether you want to call yourself boyfriend and girlfriend or not, breaking up wouldn't be any... If you met someone else today or if he met someone else today and you had to end the relationship, it wouldn't be any less difficult for either of you just because you don't have the label.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
If he fucked another girl tomorrow and you found out about it, it wouldn't feel any less of a violation of trust than it would if he was your boyfriend and It just wouldn't. He might be able to argue semantics with you, be like, well, I didn't cheat on you because you weren't my girlfriend, but it would feel the same to you. You know what I'm saying? And that's what matters.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And so this is all just kind of unnecessary at the cost of clarity. And listen, I'm not saying that you shouldn't expect to have a boyfriend for that from time to time makes you feel special, you know, and meets your love languages, whatever your love languages are.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And if your love languages are quality time or gifts or words of affirmation and the combination of all those equals him, like, I don't know.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
planning a romantic weekend a staycation a trip or a flower he brings over flowers one day and says hey i just did it because i love you that's what you're describing and that's what you needed and you should want those things but you're like narrowing it down so specific that like you know i promise you like if you end up marrying this guy you're not going to be like remember you know boy are the day you asked me to be your boyfriend was a real magical day
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Like, you're not going to... No. It's... Yeah.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Yeah. I think, I don't know how it sounds to me. I honestly think you should, next time you get together and be like, Hey, by the way, I decided we're boyfriend and girlfriend. And you should say it kind of as a joke and you should be like, but all seriousness, like we are, I do want you to treat me special.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
I do want you to like from time to time to go out of your way and make me feel like you really like love me and do romantic things. But like, you're my boyfriend. We act like boyfriend and girlfriend. We're intimate. I don't, you know, whatever. You say you love me. You're in love with me. You're my boyfriend. I'm your girlfriend.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
If you were to leave, if you were to develop feelings for someone else, I would expect you to let me know and give me the consideration I deserve. And that's a boyfriend. You know what I'm saying? So like we're being silly about labels. I kind of think you should bring that kind of energy. I mean, and then if he is like, well, I don't know if I'm ready to be your boyfriend.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Well, then you should address that. But that will be like, well, why not? Like, what's different? That will be, you know, but he should be like, you're probably right. Let boyfriend and girlfriend.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Sure. But like the way you're saying it is that's such a loaded question in a sense. Like, yeah, of course. Sure. But like you also have to acknowledge the variables that are at play here. You know, you're dating a guy who is a little bit younger than you, has no dating experience. So, you know, he's maybe in a lot of ways is following your lead.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You know, in a lot of ways, you're going to show him kind of how to conduct himself in a relationship. That is a downside of dating someone with limited dating experience. You know, there's upsides of that too. You know, there's upsides and downsides of everything. You got to take the good with the bad.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
But like, I think your, let's call it stubbornness to like follow a certain code or steps or process or tradition, a tradition that the way you describe it is more your mom's tradition than your tradition or society's standards rather than your standards. You guys are pretending, it's like you're almost pretending not to be boyfriend or girlfriend for a variety of reasons. One,
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to appease your mom, two, to make him feel, I don't know, to make you guys both, I don't know, feel more comfortable with things. But like the point is, is that if either of you wanted out of this relationship tomorrow, you guys would have to act like boyfriend and girlfriend.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And it would feel like you lost a boyfriend. And when you say we're boyfriend and girlfriend and he's like, I don't know if I'm ready yet. Be like, well, how would it feel if I told you I have feelings for another guy? And you should say it almost as if you maybe do. And you should be like, well, do you? And you'd be like, no.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
But if I did, if you're not my boyfriend, then I don't think I owe you anything. Do you think I would owe you something if I met a guy that I had feelings for and wanted to have sex with? And he'd probably be like, yeah. Well, that sounds like, to me, a boyfriend. And to me, it's just like, again, you could be boyfriend and girlfriend one day and you could decide to break up the next.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And if you broke up tomorrow, it's like, what's, and like, is it, what is he? Some guy you dated or is it going to be my, you know, is he really not going to be an ex?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Also something I just want to point out to you. I have no problem with you being a more traditional person when it comes to love and dating. And if you have certain expectations of tradition that are centered around the man needs to do this, the man needs to do this, and I expect a man to do X, Y, or Z, then you probably should date someone with more experience.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
you know, I don't think you, I don't think you should break up with this guy, just be, you know, but I think you should maybe ease off on the things that you think he should do that you shouldn't have to remind him of or you shouldn't have to bring up because, I mean, you decided to date someone with less experience and that's totally okay because it sounds like you met a pretty nice guy and there's something there.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
But, It's not necessarily fair to him to have these expectations about things that he might not even fully be aware of or know about. And I don't really honestly says it doesn't say anything about your guy's relationship or connection. If you initiate some things.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Along the way, you can set an expectation of I'd like you to do X, Y, R, Z. But like, you know, I don't know. It's 2024. You can still be traditional and you can still play the role in a heterosexual relationship of the more kind of feminine role. You know, the role of the women, if you're more traditional and so And you can still be the one who makes the first move from time to time.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You can still plan a date, you know, for once in a while. You can still like pay for a dinner if you felt like, you know what I'm saying? And the core of your relationship can still be fairly traditional where he leads and you follow and yada, yada, yada. But like for everything, without exception, at the risk of you not having clarity that you desire, but you get what I'm saying.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
I think you need to take the pressure off the situation and him a little bit. He says he loves you. You're not dating other people. If you were, if either of you were, it would crush the other person. It would feel like a breakup. So then why are you guys wasting energy wondering why you're not something you kind of really already are?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You've just decided it needs to be this big moment and this step, an unnecessary step. I don't, you know, really get it.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Are you totally against... I mean, I'm being serious when I say if I were you, I would just say we're boyfriend and girlfriend.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Yeah, I guess like at what cost? How special is this moment? How meaningful is this moment? Is it really that meaningful or have you told yourself it needs to be meaningful?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Do you need a gift? What does he need to do to make this special? I don't understand.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Yeah, I just, you know, listen, like we all, for a variety of reasons, sometimes lock in on deciding it needs to be a certain way. And sometimes we can take a step back, reevaluate and ask ourselves, well, why does it need to be this way? Does it really impact my life the way I'm acting like it would? And personally, if you ask me,
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
I don't think you're treating a boyfriend or girlfriend proposition, label, whatever, confirmation like this. You're talking about it like it's an engagement. You're using the word like ultimatum, you know, and things like that. This isn't like the traditional situationship where it's like one person really wants to be boyfriend and girlfriend and the other person's like, I'm not really sure.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
We're definitely not dating. We want to date other people. That's not what this is. This is the guy who said he loves you. Everything about you're telling me is you act like boyfriend and girlfriend. It's like you're confusing each other for no real good reasons other than you have told yourself that
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
The boyfriend and girlfriend ask needs to be a really special moment because you like to be treated special as the lady in this relationship. And he has complied and agreed with you. Honestly, not even sure what the fuck he was agreeing to because he doesn't really know. He's never really done this before, you know?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And so he honestly is probably acting like in his mind, he's acting like, well, I have to really be ready to me. It sounds like he's treating it like an engagement.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You know, it's not that's not that special. It's just a label. It's just clarity. It's peace of mind. What you want is peace of mind. If I were you, that's how I would look at it. And that's all you want. And that's just the conversation, you know?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And again, I, I'm not saying don't have expectations of having your boyfriend treat you special and do romantic things from time to time, but that should be all the time or occasionally somewhat consistently. It doesn't, you know, it doesn't need to be this.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Do you think he treats you special now?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
The answer to your question is I don't know, but that's all part of the process of dating and getting to knowing someone and dating and developing a relationship and an emotional connection is all about communication. You're sounds like you communicate a
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a decent amount, and adding to the fact that your boyfriend, let's just call him your boyfriend, is inexperienced, it is gonna require you setting expectations of what you want from him. You don't just set expectations like day one of being boyfriend and girlfriend. You set new expectations every week, every day, every, you know, your expectations might change, your needs might change.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You guys will, should continue to communicate what you want, you know, and without being a nag or coming across as an ungrateful diva who's just asking for more, more, more, more, more. It is, you know, you're you should communicate what you want from him to feel loved, you know, and that is a conversation about love. You should have a conversation about like what love languages are.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Now, he might be like, I don't know what you mean. I'm a 23 year old guy with no experience. I don't know. You know, but like, you know, that's where some of your you're going to have to coach this guy up a little bit. And that's a bit, you know, do you want to do that? It sounds like you're willing to do that. And that's OK. But like, yes, there's not like, you know, most when it comes to dating.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
I don't think most people and I guarantee you almost all men. It's not like they're going out there to the library and be like how to be a boyfriend. You know, they learn through experience. You know what I'm saying? And you being potentially his first girlfriend. The reality is, is that he's probably not your guy. Who knows? Maybe, maybe it will be. I don't know.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
But if you're his first real girlfriend, you are going to teach this man, you're going to have a profound impact on his life. Right.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Because everyone's first teaches them a lot about love and relationships, you know, but, and it will be, your challenge will be how to balance out showing this guy the ropes about how to be a boyfriend and how to be in a relationship while making sure the power dynamic remains equal as much as possible.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
I think you should say something. Honestly, I think we've been kind of a little silly. We. And use the word we. I was talking to some friends. We are boyfriend and girlfriend. The words, the labels, whatever. But I don't know about you, but I just want the security. And that's the thing. We still have a lot to learn about each other. You know what I'm saying? You mentioned your mom.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
It's like, oh, my mom thinks I should take it slow and get to know him. I agree with your mom. And you guys being boyfriend and girlfriend doesn't change that. Again, it's a label that doesn't really mean anything. What does it mean? I don't know. You can stop talking to him tomorrow regardless of that label. It's not changing what you would have to do
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
if you wanted to end the relationship tomorrow. And so, yeah, you're like, yeah, we still have a lot to get to know each other. We are at the very beginning of this relationship. And us being boyfriend and girlfriend doesn't change that.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And that's another lesson for probably both of you, because I think a lot of people, when they're younger, they make the mistake of deciding to be boyfriend and girlfriend, and then acting as if they don't have to be intentional about their relationship. They just be like, well, we're boyfriend and girlfriend now. We have sex, we hang out, and that's all we do.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
But you have to, you have to talk about your dreams. You have to talk about your expectations. You have to talk about what each other like every once in a while, ask him about like how he, what makes him feel loved? How does he feel special? How can you support him? You know, how do you like to communicate when you're stressed out or, or, you know, things are not going the way you want.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
These are all variables that every couple has to figure out over time. A lot of these questions that as pros, you probably don't know the answer to. And that's why you both have a lot to get to know about each other. And being boyfriend and girlfriend or not being boyfriend and girlfriend doesn't really change any of that.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
If you being boyfriend and girlfriend, it's not like if he says, well, you want to be my girlfriend? It's like the way you guys are thinking about it, it's like, it's as if you're playing a video game and you reach a certain level. And then once you get to that certain level, you collect all the coins. or something.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And you guys are acting like, well, once he asks you to be his girlfriend, you're going to collect all these coins, coins being all this information about him that you're going to learn automatically because he's your boyfriend. And that's just not how it works. It's just a label. And even though you're boyfriend and girlfriend, you're still going to still have to ask the questions.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You're going to still have to be vulnerable. You're going to still have to be intentional when it comes to getting to know each other. You're going to have to put in the work. you know, both of you. And that's what matters, putting in the work and giving a shit and caring about growing your relationship and building your connection. And that's what you two should be having conversations about.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And that's what you two should be focused about. And you guys are focused about labels and he's planning an event that I don't even know why, you know, like, huh? It's like, for what reason? You know, you're already there. Does that make sense?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And if he pushes back, then it's either A, an experience on his part, him thinking he needs to push back, or more likely, there's a reason why he's pushing back. You can remind him of the clip of me. What do you mean? Are you keeping your options open?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Because if not, in that moment where you played him that clip and he's like, yeah, he's probably right, but that doesn't apply to us, that was him saying, you're my girlfriend. Because if it doesn't apply to him, if he's not keeping his options open, then you're his girlfriend.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
holding on to that, which is costing me a lot of like, it'd be one thing if you were like, yeah, he's 33 years old and he's had a couple, you know, he's had like three serious girlfriends, you know, then I would have been like, you know, this guy should know better. But,
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
But he doesn't. He's never had a girlfriend and you're like, it needs to be special. I'm like, oh, fuck. I'm like, okay. I'll do my best version of what I think that means. And that's what it sounds like is going on right now. So when you say, Hey, I think we're boyfriend and girlfriend already. And you kind of keep it light and you have, hopefully you guys, he's like, yeah, I guess we are.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And you guys laugh about it. That doesn't change that. We, you know, we're, we're still at the very early stage of our relationship and we do have a lot to get to know each other about each other. And I want us to be intentional about growing our connection. And I,
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
I want us to make the effort every day to building this relationship because regardless of our labels, we have to put into work for this thing to grow. And that's the conversation you should have with them. All right?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
All right. Keep me posted. Let me know what happens.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
All right. Take care. Bye-bye.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Okay. What have you been doing that makes you feel like you should be making connections that you're not making?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
What part are you finding hard?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Okay. You said you're 29? Yeah. Okay. What's your relationship history?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
How did that relationship end? Amicably? Was it difficult?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
All right. So overall it wasn't like the, you know, as sad as it might've been to have to end the relationship, it wasn't like you felt good about the decision and you didn't really have to necessarily heal from the decision.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And so that was two years ago. And then, you know, you mentioned therapy, you mentioned kind of just doing what people do out of relationships, kind of focusing on themselves. Right. But like how and so how much dating have you been doing?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Well, that's something. When you initially, when the conversation started, you said you're having a hard time finding a connection. How did you say it specifically?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Yeah, a real connection. What does that mean to you? What is a real connection? If you were giving me a TED Talk or we met on the street and you were to describe the type of connection that you're looking for, give me a little one sentence.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Sure, okay. That makes sense. That's very valid. Those things that you're describing take time, right?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
So, and I think... I think you're probably going through something, if I had to guess, is something similar than a lot of people go through in their adult dating life, whether it's in their mid to late 20s or in their 30s.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And I've talked about this before, you know, like when we're younger, you know, when you were 18, 19, 20, 21, relatively inexperienced with love and dating, you're more reactive, right? You feel something and you just chase those feelings. And it's just much easier to feel things because ignorance is bliss. You're just like, I feel something, this is great, let's do this.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Whether it's be boyfriend and girlfriend, hook up, I don't know. You're just kind of, you're responding to your feelings.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
But then you date, you have relationships, you mix in a little bit of heartbreak, disappointment, whatever it is, you have a situationship, yada, yada, you date different people, you learn about yourself, what you've liked in these relationships, what you didn't like in these relationships. And so as we get older, I think we struggle. And I went through this a lot.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
I mean, I, this, this was my thirties, all of my thirties, you know, I was, I, well, part of, don't worry, I'm not trying to scare you. Uh, part of it is like, you know, I grew up in a very traditional household. I was a young romantic guy, so to speak. And I had, you know, I, I was very earnest when it came to like wanting to be a great boyfriend and find love.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And I, I had some great girlfriends in my twenties. They, they, Taught me a lot about myself and kind of fucked me up all at the same time. And then I ended those relationships. And then as I entered into my 30s, for the first time in my life, I was comfortable with being single. Throughout my 20s, the idea of being single, there was no good part about being single.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
I was either in a relationship or I was a loser in my mind. That was just kind of how I felt.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Well, the fact that you mentioned the part about your friend dynamic, I think is an important part that you left out, right? And so if nothing else, you just have to recognize that the fact that all of your friends are in these wonderful relationships and you're kind of the odd person out right now, it's gonna feel a certain way, so to speak.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And it's going to amplify the feeling of loneliness and being single, especially when compared to your friends. But that is a manufactured feeling. It is not. And I would be very careful to base your decisions based off that feeling, because as I'm sure you know, half of those relationships won't work out down the road.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Yeah, maybe some of them will.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Some of them, you know, we don't really know. Right. Like maybe all of them will. But, you know, even if they got married, you know, we all know the divorce rate type of thing. When they won't work out, I don't know. I'm just simply saying, as they say, comparison's the thief of joy.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
So I think it's something to be mindful when you can acknowledge that all my friends have relationships and I'm happy, but also a little envious of them. It's important to acknowledge that because that allows you to give yourself a little bit more grace. It's like giving yourself intentional grace. We all talk about giving ourself grace, But we actually have to have the intention of doing that.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
We have to say, hey, this is why I deserve grace. I deserve grace because all my friends are in this relationship. And while I'm happy for them, it's hard not to want a relationship for myself. And so I really beat myself up sometimes because I'm single. But much of that feeling is because of who I'm surrounding myself with.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
If I had a bunch of single friends, if you had five single friends who were just like in their single era and you had so much fun with these women or men, whoever they were that were single and you were planning trips together and you were hanging out and when one of you kind of met someone, the other like five or six single people would be like, are you sure you want to date them?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Because you're going to ruin our single dynamic. This feeling that you're feeling wouldn't be as amplified. It just wouldn't be, right? So-
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
I'm not saying... And I don't think you should change your friends. It might do you well if you remain single to explore being open to... Some single friends. But listen, like I said, like more importantly, I think you should just acknowledge that that's driving some of these feelings.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And so it's just giving yourself some grace to not, you know, allow you to go down those kind of rabbit holes of living in those feelings of feeling single.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Well, so yeah, you've said a lot of things there. Well, one, if you can, and I love that you have that perspective, right? If you can, in fact, have the long-term thinking and the
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in the sensible thought that like, you know, you don't need to meet your person tomorrow or even next year that you're, you just, you just want to have that peace of mind that you will just tell yourself you will, because the chances that you're going, if, if you want to find a life partner,
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and you're willing to be patient to find that life partner, nothing's a guarantee, but I'd say your chances of eventually landing on that person are really high. You know what I'm saying?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
find it exciting to date people if like it goes well and then this person like for completely no reason like i know i mean who we don't know the reason right the reason probably is he's an artist you know like you know he's in the he's in the creative i mean i'm being sarcastic but you know what i'm saying like maybe he's just not looking for that or who knows right but then why meet people you know
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Well, I think that's where you need to change your mindset a little bit, you know? And also keep in mind, you described a really lovely, nice date, you know? You met for drinks and you weren't planning on staying longer. You ended up staying longer than you thought you would. You had a nice chat. That's nice. But like, what did you really learn about the guy? Nothing, right? Yeah, right.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Sure, but for whatever reason, for whatever reason, he didn't, right? And now, and I say your ego jumps in, but like... You got to remember, like, you know, like this is all about the our entire conversation up into this point has been about your finding your one person whenever that is. Right.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Knowing that you want to spend life with someone and and you have the self-awareness and maturity to know that. that, you know, well, listen, you can't predict that you're gonna walk out of your apartment and get hit by a car and die tomorrow. Like, knock on wood, let's just hope that doesn't happen.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
But let's all assume that we're gonna live long, fruitful lives, that you're a young person, you're 29 years old, you have many wonderful years ahead of you. And you have the maturity to know that I don't need it to happen in the next five years. I just want to happen soon-ish so that I can enjoy my life with someone. And that's great. That's an amazing goal to have.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And you should hold on to that goal. Now you just have to not make dating more confusing than it needs to be. By comparing yourself to your friends, allowing your ego to get stuck emotionally on these men who maybe you have a little intrigue and excitement about, but don't return the favor. And instead of just accepting... uh, their decision and letting them kind of do what they want to do.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Uh, now you're letting your ego be like, well, why didn't, you know, what, what the fog and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you know, and, and, and is it me? And, and so they're asking your, you know, whatever. So there's that part. And then there's the other part of the part I really struggled with.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You know, then you add to the fact that I go on reality TV, I go on the bachelor, I go, I go on a franchise where it basically, it, it, it recreates what it feels like to be 19 again. That's honestly what that, that experience is like, right? It gives you permission to just like, if it feels good, say yes, that's kind of the energy and the environment that you're in.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You really just kind of go down that road. Right. And so, um, So then it was easy for me to quote unquote fall in love again. So if, you know, and then I, you know, got out of that world and that relationship ended. And so it was like, I knew how to fall in love when I was 19 and 20. I knew how to fall in love when I was on reality TV, but I had some genuine fears of like, how am I going to know?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
How like how like I don't know, like it was just like, how do I fall in love with someone now that I'm a little more cynical, a little more guarded, a lot more particular? You know, I can meet people pretty quickly and realize what I I'm not interested anymore.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Because you're a human being. I think as humans and adults, we constantly battle fulfilling our short-term needs and desires and our long-term needs and our desires. And those are almost never aligned. You know? Yeah. I have a long term desire to be healthy, be in the best shape, you know, keep up with my much younger wife, yada, yada. And my short term desire is like, I want to eat that cookie.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
I want to, you know, smoke that weed. You know, I want to do those things that like. is this helping me meet my long-term goal? Probably not, but it's feeling good right now. So dating is the same way, right? So you're gonna, every day in dating in life, you're going to be given your long-term choices and short-term choices, right?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And you're, listen, you're always gonna make choices every day that are more beneficial to your short-term needs over your long-term needs. Just like that's what happened when you hooked up with that guy and then afterwards you're like, why didn't I do that, you know? That's going to happen, right? Don't beat yourself up, but maybe remind yourself that how you felt the next day.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
So, you know, the next time, next time a similar opportunity presents itself, you maybe don't give into the moment. So how do you go about getting out of this rut and finding a connection? It's not going to be an answer maybe you love is part of it is you're going to have to just get out there.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
When I asked you what does a meaningful connection or whatever it was means to you, you talked about being seen, you talked about trust, right? Are those the two things you mentioned? And like I said, those things take time. You're not going to be able to go on the app
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or even to a bar or the grocery store or wherever and meet someone and immediately know that this person is going to see you for who you are and that there's someone you can trust, right? You're not going to know much of anything. You're going to know how they look and you might be able to figure out if they have any kind of sense of humor.
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You might be able to learn some very superficial things about them, certainly the things they're willing to tell you. But you're not going to learn much more.
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So you're going to, yeah. But that's the thing. You're going to waste some time. The remedy to get over that is stop looking at it as this is all about meeting your person. take a step back from the expectations and just say, right now I'm single and I'm just exploring people. Yeah.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
A lot of these people are men that I'm going on dates with, but like take the pressure of every date you go on having to figure out whether this is going to be your person or not. Cause you can't figure that out on a first date. You can't figure that out on a second date.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
I don't fuck if I know. Yeah. And you're not going to Honestly, you're not going to know that after five dates. And honestly, introducing people to your friends, you can introduce a guy to your friend and not marry him. It's okay. You know what I'm saying? So you have to change your approach because you're still kind of taking the approach I'm guessing you took when you were younger.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And that's kind of what we all did. And you're going to have to be a little bit more. You're going to have to explore a little bit more. You're gonna have to be a little bit more open-minded than you otherwise would be. You're gonna have to be willing to meet people, right? And get to know them.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And you're gonna have to accept the fact that nine out of 10 of these people are just gonna be one-offs. People that you're probably not gonna wanna see again. And you could tell yourself that was a waste of your time. Or you can tell yourself, hey, I met a person. I met an interesting person. It was better than sitting at home with my cat. No offense to your cat. And it was a story to tell.
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Good or bad date. It's a fun story. It's a memory you will share. And I promise you, whenever you meet that person, You know, like, now that I'm happily married and have a kid, I don't sit there and, like, think about exes. But, like, yeah, you reflect on what it took for you to get there.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And it's a good memory. And it's just not the good memories. It's the good and bad memories. They're all good memories once you get to your destination. Because you got there.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
That is just, you know, that's just something you're going to have to figure out, you know, and, and that's this kind of prioritizing your life. And again, your short-term needs and long-term needs, right? My guess is you're probably, I don't want to say exaggerating, but you're, you're probably in your head a little bit more than you need to be. Why did, why did that situation should bend again?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Why was there nothing to try to make happen?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And when you think about him, what do you think about? What do you miss?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Well, the first part you described, that is easily replicable. Hard to find, but easily... No one's coming at me. Well, that's what I was... I knew you were going to disagree with that, Cam. I'm just saying, like, what you're talking about is chemistry.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And chemistry, I always say, is hard to trust, but easy to manufacture. The second part is way more important. The compatibility that you talked about that you shared with them. That's much harder to find with people that you also fancy, right? Like, you know, I'm sure you're compatible with a lot of people that you don't fancy.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
But I'm just saying chemistry is, chemistry is a thing that we're constantly, that we over-prioritize in dating. Like, you want to, it's like, I want a guy who's going to do these kind of superficial, immediate things. You mentioned he really made me feel like he liked me. Yeah. You know, that's, that's nice, but that, that doesn't show you that he's, he can be your partner.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You know what I'm saying? That, that can show you that he can be a good time. You know, that shit can show you, he can make you feel good in the moment. Like, again, like a really charming, tall, you know, uh, Lafarrio.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of Ask Nick. I am your host, Nick, and boy, do we have a great episode for you. Normally, we just started, as you know, kind of jumping right into our calls, but we have a very special guest today, Mel Robbins. Many of you know about her.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
But you know what I'm saying? A guy who's this naturally charismatic and good looking. And then some, you know, like, you know, if you, if you have chemistry, you have chemistry. Um, yeah. So it's a little bit of that. So I think part of it is, again, I think you have to be willing to change your approach in dating. I still think that you're doing, and again, part of it is like our human nature.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You're chasing the same feelings that you were chasing when you were younger. And you're still evaluating how you feel about people the same way you evaluated it when you were younger.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And now that you're 29, now that you have a lot of dating experience, now that you have a lot more clarity on what you like and what you don't like, you're going to have to be willing to be more patient and not give in to that immediate spark. When you find that immediate spark, you have to say, okay, well, I'm excited. I'm excited.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
But I still don't know this person and I have to I have to take a step back, slow down and get to know this person. And when you don't immediately have a spark, but you find some moments of compatibility, you have to be willing to still explore that to see if a spark can be created over time. Right. So it's a little it's a it's a balancing act. Right.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And so, yeah, like you're you're still kind of hoping that, you know, someone just shows up at your door and you have this instant chemistry and then you find out, oh, we're compatible and this we should date. And yeah, I mean, that would be nice. And maybe that will happen. But nowadays with hookup culture being what it is, right?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You mentioned like, you don't wanna feel like just some like body that guys can have sex with, right? And the problem is hookup culture has been so normalized that like it's easier to get naked and have sex with a stranger than it is to say, will you be my boyfriend or girlfriend? And that's just crazy and not normal. And we definitely need to change that.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
But you have to have clear boundaries of what you want to do on dating. If you're going to decide to hook up with someone that you have had a handful of dates with, then you have to remind yourself you're doing it because you want to get laid. And maybe you still will get to know this person, but you're not having sex with them to build anything.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You're just having sex with them to have sex with them. Because sex... Sex does not help guys make emotional connections. It actually does almost the opposite.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
We don't care. We don't care why he didn't contact you again. It doesn't matter. That is all your ego. And listen, we all have the ego. And if I were you, I'd probably do the same thing you were doing. So I'm not trying, you know, but you have to remind yourself it's getting you nowhere. Who knows? We don't know. There's a million reasons why. And most of them have nothing to do with you.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
I don't know. I just was like, I don't know. I just didn't want to. And the reason is probably like the same reason you might not. I remember like when I was really very single in my 30s, right? Just kind of out there dating and just met a lot of nice women. And, you know, I met a lot of nice women.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And there'd be a lot of times I'd go on dates and I'd be sitting across, I'd finish a date and I'm like, this is a beautiful woman, you know? And then I was like, yeah, it was a pretty nice conversation. But I was just like, I don't know. Like, it's just, I don't know. I just didn't, I wasn't compelled to, want to do it. I don't know. I don't know what the reason was.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And then, you know, because I was older and, and, you know, and like, it was like, well, I don't really, I don't want to, I don't. And it just kind of felt like, I don't know. I just didn't have that urge to want to do it. Maybe that was his reason, right? Like it was this, maybe he just wasn't in the right space, you know, to do it, you know?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And that's in that and him not reaching out to you is much better than the alternative. The alternative of being a guy who just like wants to have someone.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And keeps it going, you know, because you're pleasant enough and you've had some nice conversations and, you know, we have some pretty, you know, good sex and she's just there, but I don't really know how I feel. And then you get stuck in this like thing that is going nowhere fast. Yeah. that's way better, you know?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And so the only thing that you gotta just, you know, you gotta let your ego not take over and stop figuring out why you weren't good enough or why he wasn't obsessed with you and yada, yada and, uh, and, and things like that.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Listen, the challenge of being a confident person is that we have to control our egos because to be confident, we have to have that. We have to have an ego that says, why not me? Why not me? You know, if I wouldn't be able to do what I've done in life, if I didn't have a little bit of delusion of like, why not me? Why can't, why shouldn't it be me? I could do that.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And then I got to work and I took some risks, whatever. But like, it starts with a little bit of why not me? Hmm. And that why not me is your ego saying, yeah, you're special and you're good enough.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And then when that isn't met by that person not reaching out and when someone says no or we find out, well, when we say why not me and someone's like, well, because I don't want it to be, you know, it's not going to be you, you know, then we get a little triggered and we get a little activated. And that's where 29-year-old you has to say, hey, let's not get in a rut.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Let's, let's not get centered on this guy. Let's not get obsessed with why not me. Let's not talk to that. That's just wasted energy on your part. You're just, you're focusing on things that are getting you nowhere. Right. And it's like, I don't know. He just, he just did it. I don't, I don't know why I don't, he's a stranger. He's a stranger that I had one night conversation with.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
That was lovely. That's it. That's all that happened.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
It is a bit ridiculous to... Maybe. I don't know.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
We could spend three hours smoking a joint and thinking of a bunch of different reasons why he didn't call you back. All of which could have been possible because you have no fucking clue who this guy is and why he didn't call you back. Because everything we made up would be just as possible as the next...
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
So that's not true. You were expecting something. If you were truly expecting nothing, then you would have been able to appreciate that moment for what it was. A really nice first date. And it was really nice for you to feel anything and have a nice connection after like not having that in a while.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You know, if you really had no expectations, you would truly be able to appreciate the moment for what it was, a beautiful night. But you had expectations. Your expectations were, if I like this guy, I expect him to like me back.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Well, now you just have to be a little bit more realistic. You have to, you know, remind yourself that you're not looking for what you were looking for 10 years ago. You're not looking for having a spark with some guy and good sex and having that be good enough to call him your boyfriend. What you're looking for is to be seen. You're looking for trust.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You're looking for someone to build an emotional connection with. It takes time. And so you have to remind yourself when you go on a date like this and you have a good time that that, while exciting as it might be, It doesn't really, it's just one day.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And yeah, would you have liked to have gone on date two, three or four to see if that one date could have turned into the things that you're looking for? Of course. But when it doesn't happen, it's really silly for you to act as if you were going to be able to build this connection with this person, you know, just because you had one good date and that's what you're doing now.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
So would you say I should try and date more?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Yes, I would date more and actually have less expectations and be mindful of when your ego gets activated and call yourself out. And stop asking why strangers aren't validating you the way you want. And don't waste your energy trying to figure it out because that's just fun and dramatic with friends. It just keeps us preoccupied.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
uh and then when you do date stop putting the pressure it's about meeting your person you know stop going on one date and being like i can get off the apps i'm like can you i mean like not get off the apps but you know like not have to like scroll through these like boring things and have to say boring things i don't know yeah no listen dating is like going to the gym it's a means to the end yeah maybe i need to try and like just see it like that i don't know yeah
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
When you get tired, you take breaks. When you want to get back into it, you get back into it. Take a step back overall. Be mindful of your short-term needs and your long-term needs. When you give in to your short-term needs, acknowledge that's what you're doing and don't confuse it with your long-term needs. Approach dating as meeting people, not testing out men.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Yeah, yeah. Okay, well, I will try and get another date.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
I think you said a really important thing that you really need to like hold on to is that, and I hope it's true and it's not going to take this long, but like you said, if I knew that, you know, even if I waited until I was 50, if I could find my person and have, you know, 20, 25, 30 good years with that person, that would be good enough for you.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And if that's true, then really, really focus on that. Remind yourself of that every time you go on a first date. And that will allow you to be patient. But I do think people out there need to be more intentional. They need to try to get to know people. It's like we all say we want to be seen and build this emotional connection, but that just takes time and we want it to happen overnight.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And that's just not possible.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Yeah, I'm definitely getting there.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
So you just have to acknowledge the thing that you want takes time. And then you have to be willing to put in the time with people knowing that the only way to find out is to fuck around.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Yeah, that's a good reminder.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
But it's never foolproof. And again, along the way, you are going to have short-term needs and desires. From time to time, you will give in to those short-term needs and desires. And when you do, don't beat yourself up.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You will. All you need is patience and the desire to have it happen.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Yeah, when you have a feeling you don't like, just acknowledge it. I think we do this thing where we don't want to admit to it. Instead of just acknowledging, I'm sad, I'm upset, I'm heartbroken, whatever it is. That's okay that I feel that way. First, usually we resist the feeling that we're feeling. And then we try to figure out why we're feeling it.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
That's the part that really gets people stuck is figuring out why I'm feeling the way I'm feeling and then figuring out how to get over it. All you gotta do is acknowledge it. I'm sad. I feel sad about this. And that's okay. And then once you acknowledge that you're sad, then you have to like stop doing the things that are making you sad. That's it. You know, what's making me sad?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
constantly asking myself why this happened with this guy, wondering if I made a mistake, wondering what could have been. Accepting what happened is the easiest way to work through the feelings that you're feeling and not get stuck in those feelings. We get stuck by constantly trying to understand why we're feeling the way we're feeling.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You know, like, you know, you know why you're feeling the way you're feeling. It didn't go the way you wanted and it made you sad.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You're a human being. You're well on your way. I think you have a good head on your shoulders. You're going to be just fine. I definitely wasn't saying when I was 29, if I meet my person when I was 50, I would be okay. I was definitely, I did not have that level of maturity that you're demonstrating now.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
I think it'd be okay. So it takes work. You're literally developing a set of tools in life to help you be more emotionally regulated, to be more emotionally mature, to not be so easily triggered. And when we do get triggered, to not let it absolutely snowball your world around you. And you just keep working on those skills.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And like I said, it doesn't change the fact that you will continue to be triggered and feel for the rest of your life.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You know, it's just like, I don't know. What is the difference? I couldn't even tell. I was like, I went on a date here. I was like, what? I don't know. Like, I just wanted to feel something for someone. You don't want to get to that point. That's real cynicism. It's like eight years of being single and being picky and not wanting to commit to anyone. Um, so you're in good shape.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You're going to be fine. Just take a breath, take a step back, give yourself some grace. Like, honestly, tell yourself you're doing great. Tell yourself you will find people tell yourself like you're in a good spot. You know, like there's a lot of people who wish they were in your shoes right now.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Um, you really have to, you, you do have to verbalize that to yourself, whether out loud, actually, or just like in your head. Yeah.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
It matters. It really does.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Yeah. No, for sure. That was really helpful, actually. Thank you.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
All right. Well, take care.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You too. Keep us posted. I'd love to know how things are going for you down the road.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Sounds good. Take care. Bye-bye.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Was there a moment when you realized that you could control your thoughts? I often tell this story about like I was in my early 20s and struggling with a breakup and like month four of me feeling sorry for myself. And my dad was like, dude, you need to get over it. And I said this to him and I was, I was serious. I believed what I said. And I said, I have a better chance of levitating.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
than getting over this. And what's scary about it is I believed that was true in that moment. And I believed I couldn't get over it. And I was a victim of my feelings and just telling myself how I feel is how I feel.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Probably four months. I mean, I was 22, 23 at the time.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You're kind of acknowledging the feeling and then figuring out a more productive way of dealing with that feeling.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
So you said the let me part where it's like for me as I've gotten older, what's allowed me to have a lot more peace and happiness in my life. Like for example, All these situations you mentioned, friends go out without you, don't invite you or something. And you have that initial feeling of hurt or anger. I'm able to at least put myself in their shoes. Right. What am I doing?
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Like, have I never wanted to hang out with someone? Have I ever wanted maybe just a call? You know, and that for me just allows me to be like, okay, I probably immediately I'm a lot less triggered.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Because I just took two seconds to just empathize or just put myself in their shoes. Okay, then. I'll live.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Or you plateaued a little bit.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Which I wish people would take a different approach.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
It's a means to an end. Stop trying to enjoy dating so much. It's just like, but find the joy out of it.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Yeah. I just, I always find it funny when people talk about dating is if it's like that someone else out there, some mythical person I want to be is having a ball and it's just like, no, no one is because it's a means to an end. It's, it's like, it's going to the gym, you know, like there are people who like to go to the gym. Sure. But you're working out. You're breaking down your muscles.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You're rebuilding them back up. You're engaging with people. So you're getting something out of it. But stop pretending that half the world out there is having a ball and you can't figure out why everyone else is having fun but you. True.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Less meet, more meeting people, less dating, more meeting people, less like getting people to like you.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Yeah, I always tell people, stop asking where we're at and just tell them what you want.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Well, also, the one thing you do have to do after that is you have to- Let them. Exactly. Whatever they do, you can't renegotiate after you set a boundary, which I think that's the one big mistake people always do. Everyone talks about boundaries. Everyone likes throwing the word out, and it's just like, but once you set it, you actually have to mean it.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You gotta let them not respect your boundary. You can't be like, oh, but I'm just kidding. Actually, we'll keep.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Because that shit happens all the time.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And so the let them is just allowing yourself to accept that better.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
If you haven't, Mel is someone who talks a lot about the stuff we talk about in terms of personal growth. She has a great message, and so she has a new book out. We wanted to invite Mel on to share a little bit about that. We had a fantastic interview with Mel. So we're going to play the first part of it before our callers.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Yeah, no, I'd agree. I mean, I'll tell a lot of people, especially out in LA, like it's just a long game.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Being successful like in LA is outlasting people.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Yeah. Like I'm going to leave cabinet doors open for the rest of my life.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And family's time can do without them.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
I would even add to the people who don't think they want to have kids, but maybe someday. No, like they don't. You should bank on the fact that they won't change.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And you're only looking for one life partner.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You stop choosing to want to participate, trying, make, give a shit, make an effort.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You never know who that someone else is.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Yeah, I mean, that's when I learned through my toughest breakups is, you know, there's that initial abandonment, the pain, the heartbreak.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And I don't know if there's like you've probably you've done a lot of research in terms of how long in terms of those feelings. But I had found that just I had held on to the pain. so much longer than I needed to. In fact, I always talk about how in a lot of cases, I think people hold on to the pain because it's kind of the only thing they have left of the relationship.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You know, the only memory they have, the pictures, all the memories used to have because that's that last step of getting over someone because when you really let go of that, then you're really done and we don't want to let go of that because we don't want to be done. So we stay in the pain and ruminate in there.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
And I had to learn the hard way of getting through that because it was just hanging on to that pain because I just didn't want to let go.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
I only see forward focus. She drove a forward focus and I would... But then I realized I'm looking for it.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
I was telling myself over and over that I couldn't help it.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You're recalibrating your life.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Also, I closed the loopholes, too.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
My loophole was always finding the acquaintance who wanted to talk about my misery with me. And then when I'd wear them out, I'd find another acquaintance. And I would just find people who would be willing to commiserate with me, even though I wasn't looking at pictures or reading letters and things like that. So you also got to close those loopholes.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
So like, just like, for example, like one day you count five, four, three, two, one, maybe you break the pattern that day, but you're saying you need to incorporate it with something else. Otherwise the next day you'll just be susceptible to.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
You'd go be single, you'd have some fun, you'd go to school, invest in yourself. Yeah, but it would be different.
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E866 Ask Nick - My Exclusive Non-Boyfriend w/ Mel Robbins
Who knows what you could be doing.
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Yeah. Mel, this has been so much fun. I'm sure we could talk about it this for hours. It's always fun to talk to like minds and have a similar outlook on love and relationships and most specifically protecting your power, you know, protecting your energy. I'm going to dive into this book. Pre-order now anywhere you get books.
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There you go. Go to this book. Mel, thank you very much. Where can people follow you?
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Anywhere. Follow Mel. Hope you enjoyed this episode. We'll see you tomorrow. Bye.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
So if you want to like kind of do extraordinary, you know, like out of the ordinary things, he's just not capable of giving you that type of trust and security right now. And he, and you kind of should have known that, you know, like this is not a surprise, right?
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Cause it is different. I feel like it's just, it's literally different.
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Well, you took a trip with the girls to Hawaii for a limited period of time. And now you want to go to Europe by yourself for a month.
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I mean, the truth is what I'm hearing is like, I'm sure he would love to be comfortable with it. I'm sure he'd love to. And him saying, Hey, well, I'm not comfortable going by yourself. You know? And then, and then, you know what you did? You found someone and he was probably hoping you wouldn't find someone. And then you did. And then he's like, ah, well, I guess I'm uncomfortable.
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It's like, he doesn't want to be jealous. He doesn't want to say no. He just knows how he is going to feel when you're there. And he wants to avoid that feeling. And it's understandable why he has that feeling. It just is. It doesn't make it right. It doesn't mean you have to be happy with it. but it is understandable. And relationships are about sacrifice.
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And again, your energy, I can just tell, like your energy requires a man that's confident. Or it just requires you to maybe, you know, I'm sure if you listen to the show, you've heard me say to a lot of men or to women about their boyfriends, That it sounds like a guy who like likes having a girlfriend, but doesn't like being a boyfriend.
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And you're kind of giving me the same energy that you like having a boyfriend, but like, as far as being a girlfriend, like, you know, you can take it or leave it. And what you really want is kind of an understanding boyfriend who like is generally chill and cool with you having your independence. If you ever get asked to do something where it's like, you don't, you'd rather not do it.
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It feels, or you tell yourself it's more a man taking away your independence rather than like you making a sacrifice for the relationship.
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Well, I mean, listen, if you're going to resent him for it, you're not doing anyone any good. If you can actually say you love him and you can say like, this is a man I really see myself spending the rest of my life with, then you're going to have at times to make some sacrifices and not look at it as like, oh God, I can't believe I had to fucking do this for another fucking guy.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
You know, it's like, no, I love this man. I understand why he feels the way he does. And while I'm disappointed that I don't get to do what I want to do, I love him and I don't want to put him through that. And honestly, if the roles were reversed, I would totally get why it would make him uncomfortable and why I would be anxious. And I don't want to do that for him.
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And I can always go to Europe again. And maybe we can go for a period of time. And like, this isn't the end of the world. I'm happier being happy with him than going to Europe by myself for a month. And you're just comfortable with the compromise. So you'll just have to decide which is more true for you. But if you're going to resent him over it, don't bother.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Maybe you both have some trauma you need to work through as individuals.
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Do what? Well, clearly not. Honestly, it kind of sounds like you guys are more in need of individual therapy right now.
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Really? Yeah. You know, when people are resistant to therapy, they act like it's some fucking magic. It's just like, I don't believe in it because like, And some people maybe give therapy too much credit.
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Sometimes all it is is just it's someone who is a professional who knows how to create a safe space to allow you to just talk things through, get it out, and work through some things like we're doing now. But they're a little bit more experienced and trained to do that and hopefully be helpful.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
And instead of him or you just like constantly ruminating about your insecurities and fears and like, you know, asking friends who have no fucking clue what they're talking about and then just projecting their wants and dreams for themselves onto you and, you know, just get a bunch of bad advice. Like, I don't know, maybe just like run it by someone who, you know,
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doesn't have like a dog in the fight, you know? And just can kind of just help you workshop your thoughts and feelings. That's all it is. It's not some magical thing, you know? It doesn't, you don't walk into therapy one day and come out a different person. It's just, it's an outlet.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
So like, and I think, so this is not like, I would love for you, you know, I'd love for you to go and enjoy my 30th birthday in Europe with you. You didn't say that.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
It's a way to just workshop, you know, things with someone who actually might like help you workshop rather than just ruminating over and over. It does sound like he has some stuff to work through. You have some stuff to work through. At times you guys trigger each other intentionally or not. And yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm all for couples therapy. I don't think we need to do it together.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
I think it's easier without doing, you know, because right now what you're describing, there's a lot of well-intentioned behavior here. There's a lot of like at times being disappointed with the other person or triggered by the other person, but like trying to work through it. But you guys are having a hard time doing that. And that's okay. It's normal. So like, what do you guys have to lose?
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You can say like, listen, I also don't want to feel resentment. You know, these are all just natural feelings you guys are feeling because you're not like you guys came into this relationship, a couple of broken little birds, and you're doing your best to help heal each other. And it's just like harder than you thought, you know, and it usually is.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
No, I'm just, I'm just, I'm, I'm collecting information right now. I'm not judging.
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I mean, like, why do you care? You won. I mean, if you, I mean.
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I mean, the hooking up with her, like, I don't know. I know.
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For sure. Cause like, I mean, you know, this guy's had sex with her hundreds of times. I mean, like, I'm not saying you shouldn't have cared, but like, you're right. The physical aspect, it's like you, you, you know, you weren't even dating. Like we've all like that toxic breakup sex with exes. And it's just like, it just, you know, or it's not okay. But like, I get your point.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
It's kind of, it's easier to forgive in the situation that you're in.
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It doesn't really work that way, right? Like trading, like what you want is like an IOU for accepting his toxic behavior, so to speak, and do something that's a little unhealthy for the relationship, but you want to be okay with it because you were okay with it. This doesn't work that way. If you want a healthy relationship, then you guys have to trade healthy actions, not trade toxic actions.
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It doesn't make it fair and it doesn't make it right, but if you want a healthy relationship, that's the only choice you have. I also think his wording maybe just could have had some better tact. I think he's being honest when he says, I can't give you that grace. And also, if you're ready to be in a healthy relationship, receiving grace from your partner shouldn't be your primary goal.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
this is really just him knowing that like this is a big ask and he's not in a position to do it and like yeah like you could stubbornly say i need to do this i promise myself i'm gonna go to europe i'm gonna go to europe and he can be like all right you know and then he could tell you he's gonna break up with you he's just you know he's gonna he could tell you this is my boundary but like
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we always break our boundaries, right? So you could go to Europe and he could be like, all right, fine. No, I'm gonna really see if I can do this. He's not gonna be able to help how he feels.
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Are you able to work or this is like a eat, pray, love sabbatical?
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And this is already a man that like, as you gave him the grace from cheating on his ex because you decided that he was put in a position and then triggered and then kind of like weakly like responded to her toxic behavior. And that's what, so you're just, again, he is trying to protect himself from himself. You decided...
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
You wanted to get in a relationship with a man who was clearly wounded and yet to be healed. And you thought, hey, we can work through anything. But you going to Europe by yourself after him saying, this is going to be hard for me, is you two not working through anything.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Like, sure, maybe you can't work through anything, but that requires two people willing to, you have to make sure the relationship is the top priority and a healthy relationship is a top priority. It's really hard to work through anything where you're like, yeah, but I also just want to be me. And I also just kind of want to do what I want to do.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Yeah, I know this is going to trigger you, but this is like, it's not fair, you know? And if you're worried about fairness and getting your way and keeping score, then tougher to accomplish the anything.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
I think it's just kind of having a come to Jesus moment of, I love you, or if that's how you feel. I care about you. You guys have to, again, when I say, what are your relationship goals? It's kind of like, what do we want here? Do we want to do this? And what is this? And what do we want for ourselves in the future? You're 30 years old. You're not 19.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
It's easier to just be 19 and be like, I don't know. I like you. It's not that complicated. Let's date. You know, as a 30 year old woman, like you have to consider what the future looks like with this guy. You know, you have to consider like what path you guys are on, you know? So it's just like sitting down and just being like, I want to make this work.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
I really like, despite all the things we talked about, like, but I really think we're both a little wounded. And I think we both came into this relationship with some baggage and like, maybe we can do it on our own, but I don't want to do it on our own. And I just, I, what I want more than anything is to make this work with you. And if you feel the same way, let's go out of our way.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Yeah. What else? Let's table that for a second. Okay. What's another example of a time that you wanted grace that he wasn't able to give you?
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And if that's how you feel, I would acknowledge the importance of that basketball game. I would say, hey, listen, I did something, I talked to some friends, whatever. I'm sorry for not going. I know it was really important to you and I am really proud of you. And I'm sorry I didn't show that. And next time I'll be there in your special moments and then make sure you show up.
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Men want, you know, like, it's like, you know, it's 2025. We're lucky enough not to, hopefully,
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go to war to go to battle to prove our manhood and you know do these kind of things but like men need to feel a certain type of way and need men need men want to feel needed they want to feel respected they want to feel you know and sometimes we have to do little things like coach boys to get that sense of accomplishment because even maybe you know he's a nurse sounds like Yeah, yeah.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
And he can play hero and be a hero sometimes, but a job is a job and maybe he just doesn't get that every day from work or maybe he used to and now work is just this toxic workplace of whatever. I'm just saying it's important for you to pay attention of whatever partner you have
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of the things that make him feel validated, the things that make him have some pride in himself and acknowledge that and support that. I say that to all the ladies out there. There's no easier way to get your male partner to hate you than treat them like a useful idiot.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
If all your boyfriend or your husband is at some point is just like a guy you roll your eyes at and just kind of does and says stupid things, he's going to hate you. He's going to hate you. So like, yeah, we just, we all want to be respected. You know, we all want to be validated and men need it too. So just look for those ways to like make it feel special.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
You don't have to love it either, but we all need it.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Yeah, I mean, if this is about a relationship, it's literally not about just you. It's a we and us thing. So if the priority is we and us, then take actions that show that. And if the priority isn't we and us and the priority is you right now, that's totally okay. You're only 30, but just like, you know, can't have your cake and eat it too.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
You have to also want to be a girlfriend because he already knows what it's like to have a girlfriend who wanted all the benefits of having a boyfriend.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
All right. It's also, it's one last thing. It's probably not easy for him. He, I bet he hates saying no to you. I bet he does. So just, just acknowledge that, you know, certainly not a perfect guy and you know, but it does not sound like he sounds like the opposite of a jealous and the man bought you a plane ticket to leave him for your birthday. And then you went on a trip.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
I'm just saying. He bought you a ticket to go on a trip. That's not the actions of a guy who's inherently jealous or insecure. But everyone has their limits. Just because he's setting this boundary doesn't mean he's some sort of jealous, possessive boyfriend.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Good luck. Keep me posted. Love to know what happens.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Well, why do you want to get back together with a guy who ghosted you?
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Well, I mean, maybe you did, but that's not an excuse.
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Maybe you are, but you both could be the problem.
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Okay, well, I mean, listen, what you're describing isn't that crazy. I mean, it might be crazy for 2025, I suppose, but does it mean you're wrong and they're right? But I think there's a balance. What I'm sensing though from you is just like, you're like, tell me I'm the problem is like what you said, right?
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
I had a habit when I was younger, when I didn't get my way, finding it easier to just decide that I was the problem because if I was the problem, then I could fix the problem and then I could get what I wanted.
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And so it wasn't like, you know, yeah, I guess in some ways that was a problem and that made me the problem, but the problem really, that really wasn't my motivation and I wasn't really being honest with myself. And so while it was a problem, I was doing that. I wasn't aware of that. Right. So like, yeah.
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Could you have to make a tweak when it comes to when you like a guy of being a little bit more self-aware that things are still early and that you still have a lot to get to know about this person and just be mindful of that so it reminds you to slow down from time to time?
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Sure, but that doesn't mean it's wrong for you to, when you meet a guy you like, want to solely focus on that man and the potential of the relationship and visualize what a life with him might be like. That's not crazy and that's not wrong.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
And now I know we live in a time in 2025 where every guy and a lot of women, to be honest, want to just like take it slow or be chill for like three fucking years in a situationship while they have like regular sex, but don't have to like show up as a boyfriend or a girlfriend when their partner says, hey, I need you to show up for me because I want a partner right now.
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But it was like that important to the point where he- Just out of curiosity, would you like, whoever your man is, your life partner, if it's him, I don't know if someone else, whoever this person ends up being, are you comfortable being the one who has to articulate specifically all the things that are important to you? Or are you hoping that he, you know-
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And they want to be able to be like, well, I don't know. I'm not, you know, like that's like, that's some, some boyfriend shit. And we're not boyfriend and girlfriend, you know, we're just dating, but you're not wrong for wanting that. And so maybe, yeah, you might, you need to tweak that a little bit. Sure.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
But I don't think it requires you to do a 180 and start like taking back men who were not like mature enough to say, Hey, listen, like this is moving a little fast for me. And I don't know if I'm as interested as I thought I was. and allow you to get mad at him or upset and then like take a break. He wasn't man enough to do that or mature enough to do that. He just ghosted you.
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And then he decided to come back, ask for another chance, didn't even show up with a reason. And you're considering taking him back, not even knowing the why. I mean, the why is probably like, you know the answer. He wasn't mature enough to give you an answer and you don't want to hold him accountable for his lack of maturity. You just want him again.
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And you would rather, it's just easier for you to convince yourself that you're the problem.
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Maybe. Possibly. It's not so much that you're easy to catch, but you might be someone who has a hard time enforcing a boundary. And when we sense that someone can enforce a boundary, then it's very easy for us to kind of walk all over them.
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So when you say something that's important to you, you have to follow through, even if that means not getting what you want.
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And so the answer isn't being the girl who knows how to play men and play games with them and keeps them wrapped around their fingers for two years because it's always back and forth. But maybe you can learn a thing or two from her in terms of her ability to stand her ground and say no, not being worried about his reaction and have the confidence in herself that I'll be okay.
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Yeah, but like your fear is what people sense and that sensing of your fear of it's scared to like do the thing that you're afraid of is why people feel confident taking you for granted.
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Not of value, but like just if people know they can get away with something, they're going to try.
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You're always gonna go on more bad dates than good dates. That's just how it works. And if all your dates are good, then that is you problem because clearly you do not have enough of like expectations of what a good date should be like. But so having bad dates in some way is a good sign that you at least have some expectations of what you like and don't like.
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kind of picks up on some things and, and, and shows an interest to find out what is important to you that he, so that he can support you.
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And there are more people in this world who have less in common with you than more in common with you, which is why meeting someone who you feel connected to, that's what makes it exciting and special because it's hard to find.
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but when you like a guy the trick is to like still be able to tell him what you expect and what you want and if he doesn't if he's not capable of giving it just being okay it's like okay um move on yeah because if they really care they will come back and that the difference between you and your friend is she knows that and you don't she knows that if a guy regardless of what a man says or does in the moment if he really wants her he'll come back and so she stands she stands her ground
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I mean, you know, probably not. You know the why. What do you think would be an answer that would sound like, oh, well, that's actually a pretty good explanation. I overreacted.
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Even then, it's like you couldn't have called.
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Yeah. And your guess is the nicest version, which is he was just going through a lot.
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Yeah. It's like as if he was doing you a favor by thinking about you.
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You taking him back would give him immediate permission to leave again.
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I always say, every fuckboy eventually is ready to settle down and have a family. They're just not ready yet.
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You stand your ground. You, you, you know what it, you do not try to get them to like you. You do not try to get them to you. You tell them exactly what your expectations are or what you need in a relationship. And you say, take it or leave it. And you give them one chance.
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I guess we're just trying to, are you trying to have a lot of men? Are you trying to have one man?
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Good for them. Half of them will be divorced. I mean, it's true. Smaller sample size, so maybe a quarter of them. But it's just not a race. It doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter. Be happy for your friends. Be excited for your friends. Be optimistic for your friends and be their friend.
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But it has nothing to do with your life and your timeline and doesn't say anything about your ability to find love, especially healthy love. I mean, it's just not a race.
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What are your, I mean... I'm guessing they're not.
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I don't know. What do you think is reasonable behavior? You know, just like common sense. You have common sense. You need to use your common sense. And you have to stop trying to convince yourself that you're the problem because it's, you know, because like that's easier than getting rejected a few times.
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Well, cause you're, you know, you're, you're emotionally invested, your ego takes over, you know, it's just like, also, you know, it's like, we want to be empathetic and we want to be nice and we want to be self-aware and like all these things that allow us to convince ourselves that we're the problem or there's something we can do.
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But that's why it's good to have a friend or two that, you know, we know is always gonna be honest with us or a therapist or, you know, just someone we can bend their ear and hold ourselves accountable because yeah, it is always harder to take our own advice because you you are emotionally invested in the outcome.
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And you're not emotionally invested in the outcome of other callers you listen to or when you give advice to people. You're not invested. So when we're invested, it's harder to see more clearly. So that's all. Okay. I think you know the answers. You just have to use a little common sense. And listen, don't apologize for knowing what you want.
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But when you like a guy, it's like, I know I like you and I want to date. We still have a lot to get to know about each other. And I don't know if you're my guy, but I do see a lot of potential. And when you talk to yourself, it's the same thing. I'm really excited about him. And I wonder what, you know, I wonder what it would be like to settle down with this person.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Well, there's a couple of things here. Like you talked about, like, when did you find out that he, he came from a toxic relationship or two people were just cheating on each other?
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
But, you know, I still have to learn about them and I have to be open to being wrong. And, you know, if you're going to be honest, that's how you be honest with yourself. And you just kind of take it day by day. But like that honesty about like knowing that you still have a lot to learn about them.
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Like stops you from like being the person who like does actually want to like play house and like add a little too much pressure or, you know, demand that, you know, like three months in that we introduce each other to our parents because like I need that benchmark that really means nothing.
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But you tell yourself it means something because, you know, it's like forcing next steps that, you know, aren't necessary. You want to learn about just how they behave. You want to observe them. You have to be patient and listen and observe when we get to know people at times and just be open to being wrong.
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Because meeting people's parents means different things to different people.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
You can do whatever you want. But if you want to make progress and if you want to start incorporating some of these behaviors we talked about and you want to make real change, if you are part of the problem, your problem is not holding yourself accountable and enforcing boundaries and having that self-respect.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Because he thought he didn't care. He either didn't care or he met someone else he liked a little bit better than you and that fell through and now he's texting you back because he's bored.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
I mean, if it was some profound thing where he realized he made the biggest mistake of his life and he has to do anything to get you back, I don't think a text being like, hey, I've been thinking about you, hope you're good, it would be what he would do.
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He's just honestly testing. He's curious. He's wondering how much power he has over you.
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He is a little. But you can change that real quick.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
But you have to let it go. You have to just accept that this is a man who ghosted me and I don't fuck with those type of people. I don't give second chances for bad behavior.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Certainly not someone that I have no history or emotional connection with. It's not like you guys have a three-year relationship and a child together or whatever and he fucked up and as much as he fucked up, he's really sorry and really willing to do the work and goes out of his way to actually take action to do some work without you making, this is not what this is.
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This is a guy you hung out with for a little bit at a time and got bored and disappeared and now is like hoping that you don't have any self-respect.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Well, I, as you guys, I think I mentioned this on Tuesday, I was away from my family for three terrible nights of sleep because where I was staying did not have a Helix mattress.
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And I tossed and turned like that pretty princess and princesses in the pea because I did not have my Helix mattress allowing me to have the best sleep of my life, which I have every night that I'm in the comfort of my home because we have been resting our pretty eyes on a Helix mattress for over five years now. We could not be more thankful for the greatest mattress ever created by mankind.
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And then every mattress in our house is a Helix mattress. And we love having guests because they wake up and go, what did I just sleep on? And I go, oh, that's a Helix mattress. Let me get one for you. My favorite thing in the world is to gift my friends and family a Helix mattress. Because I'm St. Nick, you know? You know what I'm saying?
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And it's so great to have Symbiotica by my side because they make doing that so much easier.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Okay. Well, why are you having a hard time letting it go?
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
when I was single and dating, or even now, I don't have a lot of girlfriends who I wouldn't want to, you know, like, that's why I had girlfriends and my girlfriends, I mean, friends that were women to talk about girl stuff, you know, like talk about who I was dating.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
I know I understand that it sucks, but... Yeah, I mean, I guess my point is you have to take, you know, listen, you've described to this friend for 17 years, right?
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
That's a long period of time. And you said, I want to get over this, right? So like, I... you know, immediately you just clearly need some tough love here, right? Like, because 17 years, you're just like, you're just not the victim in any sense of the way when it comes to how he makes you feel, because he has been pretty clear.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
More clearly than like a lot of guys, like some guys will be like, I just want to be friends with you. And then like, you'll have a weak moment and you'll, you know, a lot of times these stories, you know, include like one night we got drunk and we hooked up and things got even weirder. But now we're like, it sounds like nothing like that's ever happened.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
He has been steadfast in his communication and boundary when it comes to how he feels or doesn't feel about you. You admitted that you kind of forced your way in to working for his company. Again, under the expectations that he was honest with you about how he felt about you. So you coming and saying, hey, I'm going to work here, is you...
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
saying with your actions, I understand and respect your boundaries. I'm okay with how you feel about me, but I still want to be around you and work with you and for you. And then, you know, out of proximity because you guys work together. Yeah.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
I mean, you know, you built a relationship and that relationship was like asking your advice and you're just like, well, I like you though, but you can't talk to me about that stuff, you know? And then he respects that. And then you get upset because now you don't have the friend that you like to talk to about so much.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
You know, it's just like, you got to pick a side, you know, you are torturing yourself. He is not using you. You are allowing yourself to feel used because you continue to put yourself in a vulnerable environment.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Well, how much do you need this job versus like, what's your ability to get another job or a better job or a different job?
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Do you enjoy it because you get to be around him or you enjoy the work or do you enjoy the money?
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
All right. So other than not being able to work around him, what else would you be losing if you got a different job?
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Well, then maybe there's your answer. What I'm hearing is I'm wet. I want to get dry, but I don't want to get out of the pool.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
In 17 years, it hasn't clicked. He's not going to like you. Not this way. You just got to move on. It just doesn't feel that way about you. It's okay.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
You're not friends. You are a person who is for 17 years has convinced herself of pretending to be this guy's friend just so you can be around him in the hopes that he would one day wake up and magically see you differently. but you've never been friends. Not in the way that you've been friends with some of your other actual friends.
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The way you're friends with people you are not romantically interested in and not hoping for something different, it's a completely different relationship, right?
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
she was she had a new boyfriend or she was seeing the guy that she cheated on him with or something i mean who knows she's yeah i care less about that i just more care about like what your awareness is so clearly you were very aware of the situation more than more aware than i realize and i guess it's just more like what when you decided to date this guy like what what were your expectations of his ability or or his emotional state or his ability to be a boyfriend and
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Yeah. Listen, it's a very direct, tough way of describing your relationship. And, you know, I am being direct and tough for a reason. You know, you're waiting for something and that's your problem. You're waiting to get over it or you're waiting for him to change. And the only way that something's going to change is you decide to do something rather than waiting for something to happen.
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And your only option for deciding to do something is to just make a decision and stop acting like this is your friend who just doesn't see you, you know, that is going to turn into something. You have always made exceptions for this guy in this relationship because you've wanted something else from him.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
I mean, yeah, you've both clearly been friends to each other. There's probably a lot of respect. He would probably go out of his way for you because he probably cares about you as a person and vice versa. But there is a big asterisk in this relationship because of the thing that you want that he doesn't want to give you.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
And yeah, it makes a lot of, I'm sure, your actions less sincere because you have an alternative motive.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
I mean, it's been 17 years. He's never coming around.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Like you would get fed up with him not liking you?
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Because he's not your friend. He knows you like him and he doesn't want to cross that boundary.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Listen, for you, this is going to feel like a breakup.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
You know, and again, like you, you know, he said a lot of honest things and he has a right to be frustrated because you've done more manipulating in this relationship than he ever has. He's been very clear about his feelings and you've had a very hard time accepting that so much so that you decided to work for him without even offering a job.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Listen, it is what it is. But if you're really sincere about getting over this and moving on with your life and just accepting that this guy doesn't want to date you, then you need to do just that. And you need to just move on and get a different job and stop pretending that this guy's your friend. He's not your friend.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
And you got to stop wasting your and his energy by getting mad at him for not wanting you to sleep at his house.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
but at the time it just felt like a lot of things coming at once were maybe I'm sure it was I'm sure he has tried to be nice and not be a jerk and have to tell you every day I don't want to date you but like I think every once in a while you get a little too comfortable and you get a little too hopeful when like you feel like he's opening up to you and then you read that as maybe some kind of sign and then
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
And then maybe you do some things you don't even realize you're doing it because you like him and you don't want other women to date him and you don't want him to look anywhere else. And you do want him to look at you a certain way and you project that onto him and it probably gets a little frustrating for him.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
And he probably, and you've probably made him feel uncomfortable at times in a way where he didn't want to have to suggest you get a, you know, he didn't want to have to reject you. He's already done that multiple times. But, and I say this with love, you won't go away.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Yeah. I mean, accept reality, accept his answer and stop pretending you're his friend and stop pretending you're just friends because you're definitely not just friends. You clearly can be friendly with each other. And clearly there's some respect mutually between the two of you. But you like him and he doesn't like you.
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And you just need to accept that and move on and stop trying to have your cake and eat it too and stop torturing yourself by spending all this time with a man that you like who doesn't like you.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Oh my God. Yeah. You have no idea. You have no idea how much this has costed you so much.
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Again, I don't think you can even comprehend how much this has costed you. The experiences, people, interactions, friends, you've wasted so much time and energy on someone who never asked you to waste it. And you were just, you know,
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
So your your only thought was he's a he's a good guy in a bad situation. But did you think about how that situation impacted him? What that might mean for his next girlfriend?
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I wish we all saw our time and energy as this tangible thing like money. And I wish we could look at the energy we have the way we could look at our bank accounts. And I wish we could have the ability to see how much energy it would cost us to do any one thing or action so that we could decide, oh, if I spend energy here, then I won't have the ability to put energy there.
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And I think if we had the ability to do that, we would stop wasting a lot of our time and energy. But we don't. And we take it for granted constantly. And you've taken it for granted for 17 years. And it's incomprehensible the energy you've wasted.
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It's the equivalent of like, you're just paying this person money that they didn't literally ask for, but they don't even want it. But you're just like, I'm still going to give it to you. It's like you show up on his front door and left an envelope full of cash every day for 17 years.
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And like it blew away in the wind because you left it on his front porch and he didn't take it because he didn't want it. So it got lost somewhere else. And now that's all gone and you can never get it back.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
The solution to wasting your time and energy isn't to pine over how much time and energy you've wasted. It's just fucking stop and get out of the pool so you can get dry. Quit the job.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
He doesn't care. He'll be thrilled. He'll be thrilled.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
I'm not saying you're not. I'm not saying you're not. But like this, like...
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I just think, you know, I'm sure he'll miss part of you, but like, I'm just, again, like, it's just, you're probably a lot, you know? And you're probably, it's just like, you know, the cost of having him work for you isn't just what he pays you. It's just like, you're just a lot, you know?
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
I don't even, you know, I'm just basing it on the fact. You don't even know me. I don't even know you.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
But if you can be obsessed with a guy for 17 years and force your way into work for him and not take a hint, then clearly you are a lot. And those types of people are just a lot. And, you know, you still have a lot of life. Still young. You still got a lot going for you. Just stop doing this shit.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
In a few weeks, you get to listen to it back too.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Well, you should listen to it. You just, you know, you got to quit the job, let it go, move on. Like I can tell you, it just is not registering with you because now you're like, well, he might let him down. He'll live. He'll be fine. And if he really needs you that bad, he can pay you double. You know, if you're that valuable, you know, yeah.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Yeah. But again, I wish you could quantify what you're giving up and it's too bad, you know, you can't because it's impossible. And you're so used to doing this that like, I mean, you could have seen the world, you know, you could have, who knows, you could have gone to college. You could have learned a new language.
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You could have built a business, you know, like if you would have taken all that energy, invested in him, invested in yourself, who knows where you'd be right now.
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Have you gotten therapy? Maybe it's something you could explore.
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Is it always the same therapist? I don't know. Have you talked about this with your therapist?
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Betty, have you talked to your therapist, a therapist about him?
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Well, I mean, listen, like you're only going to get out of therapy, what you're willing to discover, you know, it's like, if you don't show up with a plan, it's like, you know, I think I'm realizing that I don't, I think maybe I just don't want to.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Yeah. But I've, you know, for you, you got to stop looking at like, you have to give up something and you got to start looking at like what you could be gaining from this.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
I think what you are describing is very common. Here you are, this person who got to know someone coming out of a toxic relationship and you hurt as much, right? And then you decided, you made a bet. I think this is a pretty good guy in a bad situation and I'm curious about dating him. And so you decided to date them, right?
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You also have to be willing to want to gain some from it. You have to be willing to like, you know, if we're using the envelope analogy, whatever, if you're going to stop dropping envelopes of cash on his front door, but just like start just throwing it out your window, what's the difference? But I want to see you take that envelope of cash and investing yourself, you know what I'm saying?
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that benefits you but yeah it's going to take a while to reprogram your brain you know quitting the job is just the first step but like you just have to like move on from that guy block him he won't care he'll be glad i feel like at this point it's more of a habit than anything else you just won't go away and you're there and you're he's just like all right well i'm gonna talk i'm not gonna be a dick to her you know i mean he he tells me that i'm his best friend yeah i mean
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
You've done a lot of probably nice things for him. I'm sure at times he's said and done things that have maybe slightly confusing or maybe he shouldn't have said some things given the context of your relationship. But like you clearly are stubborn, persistent and can't take a hint. And he's just made it. He's made the most of a situation where you just like won't go away.
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There's a little bit of psycho behavior in what you're doing for sure.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
God. There's still time, you know, there's still hope. Let's not dwell on what you've done wrong. Let's try to focus on, on the future. But it is good for you to like, you need to wake up. And the fact that you can be like, yeah, I've only worked for him for two and a half years and have that be such a small part of this whole story is crazy.
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But I mean, again, you're still young enough to like look back on this period of your life and, you know, maybe a little frustrated with yourself, but like, if nothing else, just be glad that you're no longer that person and, and use that as like a blueprint to remind yourself to not waste any more time because you've wasted so much, you know, maybe this is a long-term blessing.
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I don't know, but it really comes down to how you want to apply it and expect more from yourself, you know?
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Well, start looking for a job. Get off the phone and start looking for a job. Right now, I want your energy to go into looking for another job.
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And you were aware of the fact that like, yeah, he might have some baggage that I might have to deal with. And your dealing with it is more you just deciding or questioning, right? when he behaves a certain way, if this is just a projection or a response from a past relationship, and sometimes you point that out of him to be like, this is not really me you're mad at.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
So you don't even need to replace this job? This is something... Not really. Jesus Christ.
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Go volunteer. I don't know. Go join a club or get another part-time job that you have fun doing.
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Don't stop being nuts. You're not crazy. You're just stuck. You're stuck in a big time way. And if I were you, I would shift your energy to like do anything you can to get unstuck. I would get back into therapy and I wouldn't talk about him. as much. But I would acknowledge and say, hey, this is a situation I recently got out of. It's been a real struggle for me.
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I'd like to unpack why I've had such a hard time accepting a man who's been pretty clear and honest and direct with me the whole time. And I'd love to know why I don't invest in myself as much as I invest in other people. And I'd love to unpack that. And my goal of sitting down with you is to really try to get better at investing in myself and get out of life what I want out of life. And
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I don't know what your long-term goals are, relationship goals. If you want to settle down and meet someone, you know, I would, you know, talk about like, eventually I want to meet someone, but I want to be in the right place. You know, I want to have things in my life I'm proud of outside of a man.
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Well, yeah, well, I don't imagine, but it's even harder when you don't have the energy to do it because your energy has been so focused on something else.
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That's just, yeah, my guess, my very unprofessional guess is that you're just afraid of what that will discover and it's, you know, you don't want to unpack it. You know, you're just afraid of what that means and you're afraid of the challenge.
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It's like, you know, using the same pool analogy, it's like you know the pool's cold, you don't want to jump in, you're just standing on the ledge and it's just easier to motivate other people to jump in the pool who like after they jump in, they're like, actually, it's not that bad.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
So listen, just want more for yourself. But you've got to at least get to a point where you're like, I don't know how to get there, but I do know I need help and I need to stop doing this. And start there. Quit the job. Find a therapist. Make sure you find the right therapist. But go in there with a purpose and what you want to work on.
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And the friends that you do have, ask them to hold you accountable to like, hey, I want to work on myself. I really want to focus on and take care of myself. And try to do that.
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You're only wasting more time. I would, you know, you wasted enough. You're not crazy. You just have some things you want to work on. You just have to have the guts to work on them.
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That you're imperfect. You know, that's all you're going to, you know, big picture. That's all you're going to discover. But you also might discover what you're capable of and what you've been underappreciating about yourself and how you've been taking yourself for granted. And you might, you know, discover a better life.
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This is your ex-girlfriend and blah, blah, blah, right? And it's more about you indirectly or directly suggesting this is a him problem, not really an us problem or a you problem.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
The only negative you're going to unpack is just to acknowledge what you already know is that you're not perfect. I mean, I've called you delusional. I've called you pathetic. And not you, but how you're being. You're not perfect. No one is. So like, it's not going to be that bad. There's a lot to gain from wanting to change some things in your life.
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Correct. You only need one. And he ain't it.
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And no one's going to love you the way you want to be loved because you're just not, you know, not to sound like, you know, it sounds like almost like something you put on a wall. But you got to love yourself before anyone can love you. You know, and you don't. You do not love yourself the way you want to be loved. So it's just like you got to start doing that. Get your shit together.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
All right. Good luck. Keep us posted. I'd love a progress report.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
You're not pathetic, but your actions are pathetic right now.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Anytime. You have a lot left. Stop wasting it.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Yeah. Well, I think that's a little unfair of you because I do think if you're going to be someone, and I said this to anyone, not just directly talking to you, but we're having a conversation.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
When you meet someone like him, who's coming out of a relationship like he was, and you're curious about dating him like you are, in addition to just be the person who's just putting out some projections, you have to be also, you have to accept that you are entering a relationship with someone who is a who needs some tender, loving care and some consideration.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
And you might have to be willing to accommodate those needs to at least some degree so that you don't trigger the person who's more easily triggered. And you don't create an insecurity that's clearly there who hasn't been resolved. And if you're not willing to do that, then maybe it's just more like, I just don't know.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Okay, well, that's not a good to hear. Why do you think he feels the way he does?
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
In this few minutes we've been talking, you kind of come across as this kind of chill, kind of laissez-faire girl who like definitely wants a boyfriend, but you know, he has her things going on too and she wants to do some things and you want to find a man who's like generally like secure and comfortable in his own skin so that like, as long as you... aren't actually doing anything wrong.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
And you want to go to backpacking Europe for a month. And as long as you're faithful, you expect a man to be okay with that because you're not doing anything wrong.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
So, well, and that's fine. And you can be that person. But like, if you want to be that person, you shouldn't be dating someone like him in this moment. And if you want to date someone like him in this moment, then you need to be a little bit more empathetic and you need to be willing to be a little bit more willing to cater to his needs.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Well, I mean, you're only 30, but I asked this from time to time with people, but what are your relationship goals both today as a 30 year old woman and long term? And do you think your long term relationship goals match with your current relationship goals as a 30 year old woman?
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
So I just, you know, I'm going to interrupt, like what do you forget about him for a second? I just want to know your relationship goals. Like, what do you want for yourself as it relates to the type of relationship that you want? And if you think about your long-term goals, are they matching with your short-term goals?
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Okay. Yeah. And short-term goals. But yeah, do you want that now? Is that something you want to, as of today, start working towards?
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
to like a newborn when he's that much older which he's not even that old he's like 31 sure I mean yeah honestly it sounds like a man who's been fucked up a little bit and has a lot of baggage and a little bit of trauma and a little bit of resentment about having a partner the same way women if they date a bunch of shitty toxic men have a certain opinion about men in general and he might have a certain opinion about like women as partners at least I honestly think the basketball thing is more important than the Europe thing do you think so?
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
I mean, listen, like as adults, especially parents, you have a kid, you got to support your kid. You have a job, you know, most jobs, even the great jobs are fucking jobs and they're mundane. And, you know, it's just like, it's hard to find passion projects, things that make us proud of ourselves, accomplishments and things like that.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
And every person, but especially men, men want to feel supported. They want to have cheerleaders. They want people to be proud of them. You know, like men want people to be proud of them. They want their kids to be proud of them. They want their partners to be proud of them. As a man, I know that. I don't know if having a partner be proud of you is as important to women as it is to men.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
But I'm telling you, as men, it's important. As someone who did go to a lot of his games, he assumed, or at least hoped, that you would pick up on how important this was to him as silly as you might've thought it was. And the fact that he made it to the championship game at whatever level it is, he gave a shit about, and he wanted you to be proud of him.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
And he wanted you to want to show up and think it was pretty cool that he was able to coach a bunch of kids to a championship game and be a good mentor and a role model. And he wanted you to see him not only coach, but like you know, get these kids together and bring the best out of these kids. And he wanted you to see that. And he wanted you to acknowledge that and be proud of them.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
You were just like, yeah, I mean, I got to work.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
And now you have a month of PTO saved up so that you can go backpacking Europe, but like you couldn't take an afternoon off to support.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
I'm just, you know, I'm not saying you did anything wrong. I'm just telling you, if you want to know from his point of view, what he was looking for and why it mattered to him, that's why. I think that's really important in a relationship for you to be aware of. And it's totally okay for you not in a place right now to really give a shit about that kind of stuff right now.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
But if you're not wanting or willing to give a shit about that kind of stuff right now, coupled with the fact that you kind of want to just disappear for a month in Europe, A, I don't know if you're in a position to have a boyfriend, period. And B, it probably definitely isn't him. I do think you can have a little bit more balance in your life.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
And I think it sounds like you also have a little bit of resentment from past boyfriends as well, because there's a difference between going on a girl's trip for a couple of days and disappearing for a month. Like the type of vacation you're describing, like you should want to go meet like a spicy European and have some fun, like sex for a night. Because that's the kind of trip you're describing.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
Like who goes to Europe for a month by themselves if they're not going to get laid? You know, like I'm kind of joking, but like I'm also kind of not. Like the type of trip you're describing is one of like, I'm just going to go and be open. I'm just going to go and explore, right? You know, if I would, as if we were in a relationship and you would describe, I would be like, yeah, a little uncomfy.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
It sounds like you, you know, it sounds like what I want from this is not something that fits with what you want for yourself.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
yeah and yeah someone who's coming from a toxic relationship i absolutely get his response of being like yeah i'm just like not down for just like like do what you want but like i'm just i i i'm not in a position to put myself through that right now and like stress about what you're doing and feeling insecure for an entire month while you're in europe
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
you know, when we're in relationships, like, you know, as much as we don't want jealous or controlling partners, we don't want to be insecure, neurotic people who get triggered by our partners, you know? And so oftentimes, especially when we get cheated, you know, like, you know, we always want, I want to trust my partner. I want to believe my partner.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
I want to give my partner a benefit of the doubt. And then we do that and then they fuck us over, you know? And it's just like, and then we're just like, It's like, was I a pushover? Should I had like, should I had trusted my gut earlier? Should I have, you know, it's like, it's hard to know what's the balance.
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E931 Ask Nick - Should I Take Him Back?
You know, we, we feels as humans is people who are dating that like, every time I give an inch, people take a foot. I'm not going to give more than I need, you know? So like, yeah, like he's not in a position to give you unconditional trust and support right now.
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Give me an example of a time where you were hoping for some grace.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
You can always, you know, mom's not going anywhere. You can worry about changing that dynamic later type of thing. You made a little, you made a face when I said, mom's not going anywhere. There's something you're not sharing.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
Like if I do this, I think your mom's gotten really good at making you feel very guilty about disappointing her. That's what I think.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
I mean, again, I am not a therapist. I am not an expert in depression, but you don't get clinically depressed for not getting your way. I don't think. I think there's bigger things at play here than just like throwing a temper tantrum. This is a temper tantrum. This is an adult temper tantrum that your mom's throwing and she can't because again, she's used to getting her way.
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She knows it bothers you. She is assuming you'll come around. So you're clearly very uncomfortable with disappointing your mom.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
And did that feel like a reasonable thing for her to say?
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
adults can throw temper tantrums they do it all the time especially with their kids and i know it feels harsh to say but you this is again this is that challenge of being the adult which you are in this adult relationship with you would ideally have with your mom but you're you don't have an adult relationship with your mom you still have this very child adult relationship with your mom
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it's mostly your mom's fault because your mom, like how many, how many siblings do you have?
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
Okay. So, you know, your mom has had the benefit of probably not kind of letting that go. My, you know, I'm the second oldest of 11. When I turned 18, my parents were like, well, good luck, man. I hope we, uh, hope we didn't fuck you up. We don't have time to like helicopter parent you anymore, you know? And so I was lucky that way.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
But you hear yourself talking, though, you know, your sister's like, I don't give a fuck. And mom was like, right. Well, she doesn't give a fuck. But like your sister did what she had to do. And you need to look at your sister as the blueprint. The only reason your mom continues to do it with you is because, again, you show a willingness to respond. Your sister doesn't respond.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
And it's your mom doesn't do that anymore. You know what I'm saying? It's not a coincidence. Your mom guilts you like this and doesn't guilt your sister. You know, your mom's not going to your sister and be like, I'm not good enough for you. Right.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
Which you would think if anyone she'd be saying that to would be your sister because you seem to be way more considerate and empathetic to your mom's needs than your sister does.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
And yet, why is your mom saying it to you? Well, it doesn't make sense. Exactly. So you know what I'm saying, though? But like the more we talk, the more this really comes down to you not being afraid of disappointing mom and not letting her guilt and her temper tantrums. You know, you're you're you know, you're legitimately worried about your mom slipping into some sort of depression.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
Aside from your personal feelings about your mom and this situation, if I may offer some just input as being a recent dad, Nally's mom, and again, every parent-child relationship is different. Nally's mom is very easy to be around. I will say that she's very good about not making things about her. So that is a very important detail.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
And that's not fair to you. And that sucks. It's ridiculous that you are. And I'm not saying I'm not saying that to make you feel ridiculous, but like I empathize with you. But it's not normal. And it's something you have to work through. What I don't want is you stressed over this over the next six weeks.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
And I do think it may not be something that you're used to. It might not be the dynamics that your partner and your mom have right now. But if you're asking me, do I think it's appropriate? Hell yeah.
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I think it's appropriate for your partner to like step in and have your back and have you unload some of your worries and stresses onto him because he's not pregnant and he can deal with that while he just says to you, I want you worrying about nothing about just chilling out, not giving a fuck. I know that's easier said than done with mom, but you really have to go there.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
Your mom's not going anywhere. But again, she does it because she can. Your mom does it because she knows it bothers you so much that you're willing to call me and ask for advice and it's really bothering you. You know what I'm saying? Your mom senses that. As your mom, she knows you as well as anyone and she feels that power she has over you and that's why she does it.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
Do you say that to her or do you say it on your breath? I've said this more recently, but it is on you to create the relationship you want with your mom in adulthood. Your mom. is never just like your sister did. Your sister said, this is the relationship I want with mom. And she did it. And now mom has no choice but to respect your sister's boundaries.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
You aren't comfortable with enforcing your boundaries with your mom. And therefore, that's why mom hasn't adjusted her interactions with you.
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you know but i i i empathize with why it bothers you so much and like obviously you care about your mom and love her and that's great you just have to get a little bit better at disappointing mom yeah she's gonna be coming out here in a couple weeks just to like help me get the nursery ready and stuff like that you think i should just talk with her then or like call her before then
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
Now you sound like the girl who's like, so what are we, you know? This is your baby. This is your pregnancy. That's the problem. You have to stop asking mom what she's okay with and hope that you guys are aligned. You need to start telling mom what you're okay with and expecting her to get on board. I think when mom comes, just enjoy mom. Do the whole nursery thing. Have her have a blast.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
I wouldn't bring this up before you get into the nursery. I would do it after you get into the nursery and just have a good weekend or whatever. And then whenever you bring it up, be like, hey, mom, can we talk about just like when the baby arrives and just what, you know, me and Ben's expectations are, you know, and what we want, you know.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
I know you're disappointed in not wanting to be in the room. If I change my mind, I'll let you know. But this is something that Ben and I have decided as a couple that we want to do for us. And I'm sorry it's disappointing you, but I really need you as I love you. And it really bothers me when you're sad.
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I need you to not make me feel guilty about doing what we want as a couple because it's stressing me out, mom. And I don't think you want to stress me out. And I think you need to play that card with mom. I'm hoping mom's big enough to, you know, if you were to let her mom, you're stressing me out that she would recognize that's the last thing she'd want to do to her first grandchild.
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She stayed with us for six weeks and I got to say life-saving on our end, you know, like now and I, again, we're in a very fortunate position. So, you know, living in LA, a lot of people were just like, are you going to get a nanny? Are you going to get a night nurse? I know that's not even an option.
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And I think you need to, someone needs to call out mom on her behavior, stressing you out. And I think that would be maybe something your partner could do or you. I'm fine with either, but someone needs to. And I'm going to give mom the benefit of the doubt that like she is too far gone into her feelings to recognize that.
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But she is smart enough to know that stress of any kind is like the number one thing you don't want mom to experience. And that. Yeah.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
you she's causing you stress because she you're so worried about not disappointing her and mom's so willing to let everyone know when she's disappointed and i really think your partner i if i if that was happening in our house and you were okay with like if now i was like i need my name my mom to stop i would jump at the opportunity and i would be respectful but i would be like hey you need to stop i think my husband is would be very worried about like burning a bridge or something
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
Well, your husband's probably following your lead when it comes to the relationship you have with your mom. And you've painted this picture where we can't disappoint mom or mom's going to cut us off. Like, that's kind of how you talk.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
Because your mom has the benefit of not being pregnant, not having to worry about all the things you have to worry about that comes with it. She just gets to be a grandma. So don't compare your experience to your mom's or anything like that. You know, I just...
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
It's true. It is. You're not good at standing up to mom, clearly.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
And I think you're questioning some very understandable and normal boundaries you would like to set. And you're not confident in these boundaries because of your relationship with your mom.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
But I think all the things that you want for yourself as it relates to your pregnancy and how you and your partner want to experience that pregnancy and delivery and the days and weeks that follow, whatever you want to do is totally cool. And you should do. And everyone else in your circle and your family, what they should be doing is, how can we be a part of this experience for you?
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
A lot of people can, I mean, I didn't even hear what, I didn't even know what a night nurse was until I moved to LA. We didn't want to do any of that. We wanted to be really active parents. We wanted to, you know, really embrace, you know, the whole experience, especially with our first child, waking up, feeding River, Natalie breastfed, you know, all those things.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
What can we do? How do you want us to engage? Of course, everyone wants to meet the baby. Your mom's not the only one. It doesn't, she doesn't get like, she's not more special because it's her first grandchild and the other family, you know, it's like, and I hope that your mom knows that.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
I'm willing to bet that you consider your mom's feelings more than any of these other people she keeps comparing herself to.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
And I think someone needs to let her know that and check her. Like, Mom, we consider your feelings more than anyone else. And whether you think that's true or not, that's a fact. And so much so that it's stressing us out. And do you really want to be stressing us out? Like, that seems unfair, Mom.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
I need you to trust us that we are considering your feelings and stop guilting us for doing what we want to do with our child because no one else is. You guys hold all the power and you're not taking advantage of it. What bridge is he going to burn? He is the father of her first grandchild. He's got way more rights than she does. And she needs to be reminded of that.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
His feelings are more important than your mom's. What he wants is more important than your mom's. What you want is more important than your mom's. Like your mom should just be a grateful bystander. Who's there to help when you need. And if that's at five in the morning so you guys can sleep in, then great. Mom should be super grateful for that. But mom shouldn't.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
And you should set that boundary with your mom too. Like mom, I'm not going to be a perfect parent. We're going to learn along the way. But when I want your input, I'll ask for your input. And I don't want to hear your input. I do not want your opinions about how we're raising our daughter. I do want your help, but I will ask for that help.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
But like, yeah, again, we're lucky that we didn't have to have that conversation, but I would be willing to have it. And it's an important conversation to have if you're not lucky enough to have parents who are willing to respect those boundaries without the conversation. And it won't change until you do.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
Well, the bummer for you is it's it's like you just don't have faith that mom's going to behave herself. I'm guessing if you had the confidence that your mom would act like Natalie's mom or my parents, then you would let your mom. But, you know, your mom and you know how she's going to be. And you don't want to be stressed out when your baby arrives.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
And so in the middle of the night, you know, I'd wake up, Natalie would wake up, but her mom was there to take River at like five, six in the morning. And we got to sleep in and God, oh my God, that was just like a fucking disaster. Game changer. So I just want to put that out there.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
I'm guessing worrying about mom's feelings constantly. And that's the big what I'm hearing from you is that's the big reason why you don't want her there.
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You know. Because I know you haven't had your first child yet, but I think you get what I'm saying when I say that as much as involved parents as you want to be, someone there to give you five minutes to close your eyes, and even if that's all you need, it will be a huge fucking help.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
And right now, you, unfortunately, are feeling like you have to decide between that help that would be so beneficial or mom's constant feelings. And you're just like, I don't know, her feelings are just such a pain in the ass that I'll just... And it sucks that you're in this position. But again... It's not, it's just not going to change until, and I think you say, mom, you do, you go get therapy.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
You need to tell her. I mean, she's open to it, but like, this is ridiculous, mom. And I, someone needs to point out to her right, right away that her behavior is stressing you out. Cause I don't think mom wants to do that. Right.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
But you are a mom. But you are. So stop it. I mean, that's what I'm saying. Like your mom isn't a child. And while your mom, you know, your mom is, is going through it right now. And it's, I'm getting, it sounds like your parents are divorced. Right. And so your mom. Okay. But like, again, she is, she is making literally your pregnancy about her divorce.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
I mean, she is, she's still competing with attention from your dad. And if her divorce was difficult, I empathize with her, but like, she's got a deal. And it sounds like you give her way more attention than you give your dad because maybe your dad doesn't need as much. I don't know what, you know, but I think mom needs to start hearing some hard truths and she needs to like face some reality.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
And even if that means some tough love.
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really happy together so i was i mean but like but do yourself a favor and don't say it like that you know yeah yeah because like that's she's just going to find that triggering and that's the point is is like you don't need to point out the obvious things so like mom i don't like don't make me explain to you why i'm going to give my dad and you equal time with their grandchild
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
You know, like, again, your mom reacting the way she did is ridiculous. Your problem is you respond to her ridiculousness.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
So she's going to be like, this works.
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What is your what is your husband think about all this?
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
Not sure because if mom's not willing to help and do some of those things and she just wants to be involved and it's kind of useless. But like if I just free child support is a really great bonus. So if you have other options, great. But I do want to mention that.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
Yeah, I couldn't imagine. I couldn't imagine. Like I said, we're very lucky to it's the opposite with us.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
And the energy. You do not want that energy in the house. You know that energy you have in a house where someone's just moping around and they're being passive aggressive. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. The last thing you need is your mom walking around all day huffing and puffing and saying how it's fine when it's not fine.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
And you know your mom. And so you're worried about that energy. And that's fair. You got to point this out to mom.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
She's going to be fine. And you have all the power here. Mom's not going to slip into a deep, dark depression. She's about to have her first grandchild.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
Tell her when you're comfortable. And if you're not, I mean, is your husband really afraid to say something to her?
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
Someone's got to, I don't know. This problem doesn't go away until someone puts their foot down with mom.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
Yeah, but only if you can get to the point when it sounds like you're a bit away from that where you can do it without it really affecting you.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
I mean, the fact that your mom, you're not going to want, that's.
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E838 Ask Nick - My Best Friend Is A Klepto… HELP
And if, are you really, would you have a hard time? That's it.
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Yeah. And that should be easy for you.
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that's why your mom's so okay with asking for the ridiculous.
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The blueprints there. I mean, your sister, everything you said about her, like it's, are you in therapy? Is it relates to your mom?
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Yeah. There's something going on that you, you know, I don't know what it is. Maybe you're, when did your parents get divorced?
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I don't know. Maybe that affected you in a way where maybe you were just worried about picking sides and disappointing mom and dad. I don't know. But like your fear of disappointing your mom seems slightly unhealthy. Yeah. I'm not trying to come down on you, but as a 29-year-old woman, you should not be this afraid to set some very reasonable boundaries with mom.
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And your mom seems way too comfortable asking for unrealistic things. And it seems very clear that she's able to do that because she just knows you won't push back and that she sees in you the disappointment that you have with disappointing her. And that is why she does what she does. It's no different than when your daughter gets older.
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If you and your husband allow your daughter or your child to do what they want, you're going to be dealing with someone at a certain age who's going to act out and is going to be spoiled and is going to throw temper tantrums when they don't get their way. Your mom's just an adult version of that right now.
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I'm sure she is. I'm sure she's great.
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Yeah, I'm sure she will. But she is always going to ask for more from you and any situation she wants more. And that's usually going to come in the form of time and attention or time with her grandchild. And she will throw a fit every time she doesn't get her way and have, and that will be an emotional burden on you. Until you're able to confront mom without it really affecting you all that much.
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And it sounds like maybe you could talk with someone and work on why you feel the way you do when it comes to your relationship with mom. And there clearly is some kind of mental hurdle that you have or some like subconscious fear.
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I hear you. Your mom's done a number on you.
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You're not alone. I'm guessing there's a lot of people listening right now when they do listen to it. I recognize that I've been very lucky and Natalie's been very lucky when it comes to that. And I know most parents, not even some, most are probably similar to yours than they are to mine and Natalie's. But It's up to you. This ain't changing unless you do something about it.
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Cause mom's not, you know, mom, how old she is now, she might get into therapy, but she probably won't get into therapy until you insist she gets into therapy. Or something is going to have to feel like quote unquote rock bottom.
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But I don't think, not that I know anything about your mom, but I'm going to go ahead and guess that mom is not going to be so self-centered that she is going to create some sort of mental health crisis on her end as a result of her not getting her way. I don't think your mom would be that selfish.
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And, and as your, you know, your mom's still in your sister's life as much as your sister allows it. And when you disappoint your mom, you just follow up, be like, mom, sorry for disappointing. I love you. I'm always here. I'll always be here. I'm always there for you. I'm sorry. This is upsetting you. I still love you when you're ready to talk. I'm here, but this is how it's going to be.
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And you have to really, you got to assume the role almost as a parent here when it comes to your mom, like good practice for you.
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Sure, but you shouldn't have to do it just to get your mom into it. Sounds like maybe you could benefit from... from it. There is something going on with you and mom. I don't know what it is. So yeah, I hope this was helpful.
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I don't know, but I would love for your, your husband to maybe also be willing to, I think you two as a team, as a couple need to sit down and, and say, Hey, we have a problem. Problem's mom. We love mom, but she is causing stress. Neither of us want this stress. So as a couple, what should we do about it? Should you talk to her? Should he talk to her? I don't know.
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You guys just be a team, decide together, remind each other, this is your experience, that all that really matters is what you want and need and what he wants and need and what your child needs. That's all that matters. And everything else is irrelevant and insignificant.
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And you are going to make sure that all the grandparents and the siblings and whoever wants to share in your experience will be able to share in that experience. But when you guys are ready and you shouldn't have to worry about when that time is, you'll be ready when you're ready and none of that.
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And you guys need to remind each other of that so that you can have each other's backs when other people don't want to respect that boundary. And you can support each other when one of you needs to enforce that boundary with someone, you know, because you're going to have each other's backs.
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Because again, that's where Nellie and I were very fortunate. Nellie's mom, we didn't have to have any of these conversations. Both of our parents were very lucky. My parents have a lot of kids and they have a handful of grandchildren. This was Nellie's mom's first grandkid. And even then, her mom was like, she was not there to give her input unless we asked. I mean, we're very lucky that way.
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So if one of you, whoever it is, decides to confront mom, the other person is saying, we're doing the right thing. We have each other's backs. We're here to support each other. you know, what do you need? Like if it's your husband who confronts mom, then you're just like, just, you know, I'm, you're doing this for me. Thank you. I have, you know, I have your back.
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I'm giving you kind of permission because it is your mom. And if it's you, then your husband's there to have your back saying your mom will always love you. She's not going anywhere. Your mom, you know, just kind of all the things I'm saying to reinforce that it's going to be okay.
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You guys need to really be there for each other and support each other because all this other thing, all these other things can be daunting. Um,
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What if you, you know, wrote her a letter, you know, and just like, mom, this is how I'm feeling. Because you are, you are six weeks out from having a baby, you know, like everyone in the world, even like 18 year old boys know that pregnant women shouldn't be stressed out. You know what I'm saying? Everyone knows pregnant women shouldn't be stressed out. And your mom must know that on some level,
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This is causing you stress. She's certainly not thinking about it right now. She is so caught up into being the victim in this whole little story right now. I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt. It hasn't crossed her mind.
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But someone, I think at a minimum, someone needs to point out that her putting her needs as a first-time grandma ahead of even you as a first-time mom is causing you stress. And whether or not she wants to do that, she is in fact doing that.
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and someone needs to point that out i honestly think your husband would be the perfect person it's his kid he's as involved as you are and it's kind of a moment for be like hey you know and you doing it's only going to cause you more stress you shouldn't have to fight with your mom right now i'll do it give me
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And if mom, if you could stop, if I'm your sister, point out, mom, if you could just stop reacting to being disappointed every time you do, you're going to get more time. But right now, Alex is so worried about you doing what you do that you're stressing her out. And if you're going to make Alex choose between being stressed and you being She's going to choose not being stressed.
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And doesn't that suck that you're putting her in that position? So stop making her feel bad for giving her dad time to her grandchild. Equal time, mind you, mom.
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Yeah. Stop feeling bad that like Ben and Alex have decided for themselves that they want to be a couple when their baby is born. Stop making Alex feel bad for whatever it is she wants. It's her goddamn pregnancy.
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You know? And yeah, maybe your sister is a good one to do that.
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And then your sister's gonna be like, do not call Alex, because that's what mom's gonna want to do. Why did you have your sister tell me? And your sister needs to be like, don't fucking do it, mom. I mean, if your sister wants to be the bad guy here, let her be the bad guy.
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Eventually, yes, you need to face mom, but maybe now's not the time because of the time you're in, but let your sister be the bad guy. But you have to at least give yourself permission not to care. You can't be calling up your sister and be like, is mom okay? How did she act? Is she gonna be okay?
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I know a lot of people do not have parents like that. And we're very lucky that both sides of our parents are very much like they respect boundaries without us even having to enforce them. Not every parent's like that. Yeah. If your mom's not like that, you're just going to have to have that conversation where you're like, mom, I just need to be very honest with you. This is our experience.
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your mom's going to be fine okay and if if your sister doesn't want to do it send me mom's number i'll give her a call uh i'll just send her all right all right i really want you to enjoy this this is this should be a really beautiful and exciting time for you this is not shit you should be stressed or worried about no i'm very excited i'm like i've always wanted to be a mom All right.
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And if that being said, if we can fix this and whoever, whether it's mom or someone else, if you can get those couple hours of sleeping in, I tell you, it was such a game changer to be able to sleep in for a couple hours. It was really nice. Well, congratulations. Go enjoy these last six weeks. I look forward to the day that you can adjust your relationship with your mom.
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You and your husband have all the power, are in total control, and it just comes down to you guys recognizing that and taking advantage of that. Mom has no power or control over your pregnancy, your child, or your relationship unless you allow her to have it.
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Okay, well, keep us posted. If you need another pep talk, I'm happy to help. But you should be thinking about your nursery or whatever, anything, anything but this. You should not be worried about this. This isn't, this is, they just shouldn't. And you are, and that sucks. And someone needs to point that out to mom. I do think your sister is probably a good person to do this. All right.
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And we really, this is what we want for us. You know, like, and that's the thing is like the problem right now with your mom, it doesn't sound like she's asking. Sounds like she's just like, I'm going to be there. And off the bat, that's just like a slight violation of your boundary, your space. I understand she's grandma, but she needs to ask.
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How long you guys been best friends?
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20 years. Okay. Why do you have trust issues?
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You don't trust her. Does that have, does this all start with this guy or are there several other instances where you realize she might not be that upfront with you?
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And so why are you worried that this is going to ruin your friendship?
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She needs to be like, hey, what do you guys want to do? What's your plan? What do you guys want? How can I help? We were lucky enough to have Natalie's mom have that type of energy. So she made it very easy for us not to have to worry about her feelings. And it sounds like where you're struggling is you know your mom is and you know her sensitivity.
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Okay. All right. Well, thank you for the information. I'm going to say some things. Feel free to interrupt if it's not resonating with you. Yeah. A couple of things that you said that I feel like I have a different POV than you might have. Right. You mentioned this person is someone you've been best friends for 20 years. You're 32 years old. You've known her since she was you were 12 years old.
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So this is essentially like a sibling to you.
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There you go. And I think that's important to remember. Because like, you know, I always say, it's like, you don't pick your family, you pick your friends, so to speak, right? Now she is a friend, you picked her. But for 20 years, so much of your friendship is based off this history. You know what I'm saying? You've been in each other's lives.
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But your friendship, when you guys were 14, that has really no bearing on your friendship today. You know what I'm saying? But like, I guess my point is, is like, like siblings, I'm always going to love my siblings. I'll always be there for them. I may not be as close with some of them at times.
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We might go through periods of like disconnect or fighting or just we might lose touch for a period of time. They might change a little bit. They might get into things, you know, hobbies or, you know, they might make friends where we lose a little bit of touch or whatever. You know what I'm saying? But we'll always be family and we'll always find our way back to each other.
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And I think a friend that you've had for over 20 years, I think you have to like be a little bit more realistic with your overall expectations of this friendship.
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This is not someone you met six months ago or 12 months ago where you like, you know, became friends with and you were kind of inseparable, you know, for like six months and you went around telling everyone you guys were best friends and then they did some weird shit and you're thinking, wait, I mean, I know we've been inseparable for six months, but like, this is kind of weird behavior.
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And like, should I be as close with this person as I want to be? Like, that's not what's going on with your friend. You've known this person for almost their entire life, her entire adult life. So you give that person a little bit more grace. You know what I'm saying? So here you are having experienced lies and deceit with other, I'm guessing, romantic partners or toxic relationships.
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Your friend, for whatever reason, is dating someone that you're not even sure why, but is like not being, is forthcoming with you. As you wish she was, or you expect her to be. I don't know if that's quite the same. You know what I'm saying? Like, I guess my point is like, there have been plenty of times where I was like, I don't need to tell my sibling this.
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I don't owe this them this information. I don't want them to know. I don't know why I don't want them to know. I don't even feel like I need to explain myself. I just don't want to tell them. And I feel like a friendship of 20 years, your friend is entitled to make that decision right or wrong when it comes to whether she wants you to know something or not know something.
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And that doesn't make her right. It doesn't mean she's, maybe she's dating an asshole. Maybe you, you know, whatever. But my point is, there's a reason why she's doing it. I don't know what the reason is. Definitely want to find out. But having an idea of like, I don't know if I could be friends with her You know, and that's not the same as her like lying to you per se. Am I making sense?
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I'm thinking this more like a sibling relationship. And it's just more like her not telling you isn't necessarily the same as her lying to you.
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And right now you have to deal with your mom making her feelings more important than quite frankly, yours or your husband's.
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So maybe you say, hey, listen, Becky, I love you. We've been friends our whole life. You know trust is a big deal to me. I'm just sensing there's things you don't seem to want to tell me. That's one of the things. It's like you have to figure out what she's comfortable sharing with you. And then you have to respect that boundary.
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Right now, you have an expectation that she owes you some information that clearly she's not comfortable for whatever reason to tell you. But you're still, you're basically like, well, we're best friends. You need to tell me everything. And she's not telling you. And now you're taking it as deceit or lies or that you can't trust her. And she's just like, I don't know.
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I don't want to tell her for whatever reason. And she doesn't necessarily need a reason. She's allowed to not tell you.
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So you say, hey, listen, I don't want to pry about topics that you're not comfortable telling me. I just don't want you to lie to me. And I am comfortable with respecting your privacy and your boundaries, but just tell me what you want and not want to tell me. Sometimes, and it's not an excuse, but sometimes, why do people often lie? I'm sure you've heard this before.
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I didn't want to tell you because I didn't want to upset you. And while, again, that's not valid, maybe there's some element of disappointment your friend thinks you're going to have by her sharing her truth with you. And she's just decided it's easier not to tell you or to like avoid the truth.
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So as a friend, maybe you can make her feel more comfortable with being like, listen, if there's things you don't want me to know, that's okay. This is your life. It's your boundaries. As your best friend, I'm just here to receive all the information you want to tell me. And I hope that you want to tell me everything, but I will say sometimes as friends, we paint this, you know, like couples.
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It's just like, we don't want to disappoint our friends. We don't want to disappoint our family. We don't want to disappoint our partners. And sometimes along the line, we tell each other everything. We're best friends. We're inseparable. And now, because you have set this expectation with your friend five years ago, whenever it was, she thinks, well, I have to tell her everything.
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You know what I'm saying? So as your relationship evolves, Your relationship is not the same it was when you guys were 14 or 16 or 22 or 23. It's constantly changing. And friendships of 20 years, just like romantic relationships of 20 years, you guys will both change. You have to check in with each other.
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You have to check in with how you guys are the same, how you're different, how you can support each other as friends now as 32-year-old women and that might be different as 22-year-old women and just have these conversations.
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But you, I feel like giving your friend the green light and permission to not tell you things and you're all comfortable with that and you're here when she wants to tell you things. You just know her, like you said, and you just don't want to feel like you're lying to her or telling the truth. Just be like, hey, listen, I am seeing someone right now. I don't really want to open up right now.
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And if you can show her that you're okay with that, then maybe she'll be more honest with you.
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You can distance yourself. Well, one, I mean, I don't know. I'd FaceTime her. I'd call her up. Call her or FaceTime her. I wouldn't do it over text.
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And I wouldn't wait till you're in person. I don't think this needs to be that serious. If you... Have this conversation with your friend and she continues to play dumb and she doesn't do what you ask, which is to just communicate and be a friend. And she doesn't give you the opportunity to show her that you're okay with whatever she is willing to share.
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Again, if you don't want to tell me things, just tell me you don't want to tell me. I'll be fine. I'll be okay. I just don't want to feel like you're lying to me and that you're afraid to tell me the truth or whatever the reason. Whatever the truth is, and maybe that truth is, I don't want to tell you right now. If she keeps lying, then you can pull back.
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Again, she's just been in your life for 20 years. Do you have siblings?
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All right, so if one of your siblings was doing this, you wouldn't be calling me up and being like, well, I'm deciding whether I should make him not my sibling anymore. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. She is your family. So if she does this, you can say, well, I know you're not being upfront with me. So when you're ready to be upfront with me, give me a call. I'm I love you. I'm here for you.
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But like, I'm just a little heartbroken. You just have to be just be honest. Give her the honest communication that you want from her. So just be honest with her. I feel less close with you now. I feel it's weird to talk to you every day when I know you're just not sharing stuff with me. So just be honest with her. You know, just talk.
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Yeah. You have to stop making this about you and your feelings and how what you think you're entitled to when it comes to this friend. I don't know why your friend's doing what she's doing it. She's doing it for a reason. I don't necessarily a good reason, but there is a reason. And you guys are going through this weird period that for whatever reason, she doesn't feel comfortable telling you.
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So you just have to let her know through conversation why you're disappointed, what you would like her to do, and just give her a little bit of time to do it. I don't think you have to issue threats or ultimatums. You could just be like, all right, well, again, whenever you're ready to just start telling me things, just let me know.
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Does that make sense? Sure. But I think there's a middle ground, you know, like, don't get me wrong. We didn't have Nally's mom stay with us for six weeks so she could be Cinderella and do our, do our chores. Like, that's definitely not, not why we had her. She definitely helped.
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And then, you know, but then you have to stand by what you're saying. You can't say I'm here when you're ready and then feel a certain way every day she's not ready.
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and may take it personally or make it about you and start over. You know, it's just like, you know, a friend of 20 years, you guys are going to go through shit and you're not, you know, it's like best friends of 20 years. You're going to make other friends. You're going to, she's going to make other, you know, but you'll always come back to each other.
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Yeah. So just have that talk with her. You know, it's not like she's sleeping with a married man and lying to everyone and doing low character things that you know of at least or whatever, you know, it's just like, she just, I don't know, maybe she's, who knows why she doesn't want to tell you.
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But I think part of the problem is you're, you take it personally and you're angry and like now you're mad and you're, I think you're making it a slightly bigger deal than it needs to be.
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I don't know if you have to worry about staying confident. You just have to focus on getting out what you want out. So write it down.
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Like you're saying, just be like, listen, there's an elephant in the room. I just feel like there's things you don't, tell me anymore and honestly that is okay if there's things you're not comfortable telling me that's okay i just it just really upsets me when i feel like you're you're lying to me you're not being truthful
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I'd rather have you just tell me, hey, I'm not ready to share this with you right now because I just don't want you to feel like you're being dishonest with me. I'd rather have you just not tell me something you're not ready to tell me and just let me know that and I will respect your wishes. I'm here if you need. I'm here whenever you need. I want to be your supporting friend.
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But I think it was just more like, like you, Nally and I very much were like, we were going to embrace this experience and we're going to wake up and we're going to be parents. But again, between like 5 a.m. and 7 a.m., Like her mom was willing to wake up and that was her time. And we got to that. Those two hours of sleeping in was like it honestly like saved us our mental health, our sanity.
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But that's the thing where you have to find that line, which is being a supportive friend doesn't entitle you to be that supportive friend every time they need support. Yeah. They might go to someone else for support, and it doesn't make you less best friends. You know what I'm saying? That's where you're almost like, this is my job, and I want to do that. No, I get what you're saying.
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So yeah, like try to make it less confrontational for one, write down what you want to get out so that you are clear that you can get it out, that you don't forget it. Don't make it that complicated, you know, and it doesn't have to be confrontational.
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Yeah. But just, you know, do it before you guys get drunk and sensitive. Yeah. But yeah, listen, lead with love, lead with your feelings. Don't, you know, express your feelings without trying to make her feel guilty for the feelings that you have. let her know that her feelings are okay and valid.
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But the important thing is letting her know it's also okay if you don't. Yeah. I just don't want you to lie to me because you're afraid that I'll be mad if you don't want to tell me things. But because we talk as much as we do and we're in each other's lives as much as we are,
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I just I do need you to let me know so that I'm not worried about you that you don't want to tell me something because like I kind of know what's going on in your life. And then it makes me feel like you're lying to me when you pretend there's nothing going on. So like if you don't want to tell me who you're seeing or what's going on, you're romantic. That's fine.
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Just tell me you're just not ready to tell me right now.
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But then it's on you to actually be OK with that.
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Yeah. And that will be a weird for you because you're, you're going to, you're going to feel a certain way, especially if she's like, well, I don't want to tell you right now. And your first instinct is to be like, well, why not?
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Do you have any idea who this person is that she's seeing?
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So you're saying that you already suspect that you think the reason why she's not telling you one is because he's being secretive?
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So I mean, so now you already know the why.
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Sure. But again, if you're accurate in your assumption, he's like, listen, maybe the reason they stopped hanging out to begin with is because he felt like too many people were finding out he got uncomfy. They broke up, got back together and they made some sort of promise to each other that they were just going to not tell anyone and keep the pressure off. And she is trying to respect his boundary.
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And that boundary makes you feel like it's coming in conflict with your relationship. So that's where, again, you have to let her know. It's just like, listen, whatever the reason is, just know that I'm here. And if you don't want to tell me, that's fine.
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It sounds like this all kind of makes sense.
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Yeah, don't let the, I guess the entitlement you feel with this friend make you feel like you are owed more than you're owed or that you're also like, don't let it make you feel like your friend is someone she's not. I mean, you started this call by like wondering if you can even trust her if she's a different person.
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Sounds to me there's a chance she's just trying to respect her boyfriend's boundary. And maybe it's an unhealthy boundary. Maybe he's an asshole. Maybe there's a really unhealthy reason why he's asked to keep a secret. I don't know. And either do you. But as far as your friend is concerned, it sounds like there's a good chance she's just trying to do right by him.
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And that doesn't mean she's dishonest or a liar or that you can't trust her.
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Well, yeah. And let's be real here. It's just like, I don't, what's your, are you in a relationship?
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Like it was nice. I mean, to be clear, it's one thing to wake up in the middle of the night, you know, is like you're going to wake up every two or three hours early on. And if you still have to get up at 6 a.m., that's tough.
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Okay. Either way, when you guys get into your relationships, you know, you guys have other priorities other than each other, you know, and, and sometimes you're, you're each other's friendships won't always be number one. And you're going to, you're both going to have to adjust to that. And the way to adjust to that while continue to stay close is to communicate as things change.
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That has saved Natalie and I in several occasions. Sometimes when you're on the go, you had a long day, and you can sometimes stink. And those deodorant wipes are great. They save the day. They get those pits clean. smelling fresh and good. Also, you can use those deodorant wipes for all over your body. Wherever it's stinky, they got you covered.
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But when you have to get up a couple hours during the day and you get to sleep until like seven or eight sometimes because someone else is holding the baby for a couple hours, pretty great.
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I got the stainless steel set. I got their ceramic set, both at home and at the lake. Changed my parents' life by gifting them a Caraway set. And they were like, how have we not been cooking on this forever? And the best part is, in addition to it looking great and cooking great and being easy to clean, it's also safe for you.
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Caraway products are made without any toxic materials like PFAs, PTFEs, PFOAs, and other hard pronounced chemicals, which is crazy to think that there are a lot of unsafe pots and pans out there, but not Caraway. Again, did I tell you that it's easy to clean? Their slick surface means minimal oil or butter for slide off the pan eggs and easy cleaning. It's so easy to clean.
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Nice to meet you, Alex. How can we help?
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I hear you. Listen, Allie could not have been more connected to River and more, you know what I'm saying? She was as hands-on as anyone could be. And everyone's birthing story is different. So I don't know what your experience is going to be like. We had a very seamless experience, a really great experience in terms of like limited complications.
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yeah i'll be honest if i had three sunglasses in my car that went missing i would never think to like think it's my friends who stole them like what even makes you think that your friend would do this and maybe you're like the most mindful person where she always knows where her stuff is and i would say that because it's like i don't know i lose shit all the fucking time and it's like god only knows where it is yeah
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The last thing I do would be blame a longtime friend for stealing them rather than maybe I just kind of don't know where I put them. But you seem pretty confident that your friend stole them. And I'm just curious as to why.
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Well, again, because she was a roommate. So, like, are we calling this stealing or is this or is she borrowing without permission?
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I think you reach out to her and you say, hey, I think you might have accidentally took my glasses by mistake.
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Yeah. I also, again, I don't know where you live. I live in Los Angeles. So if I don't lock my car door, like at any point, some random fucking person would, you know, we'll go through your car.
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River, you know, like in terms of breastfeeding was like very, we had very limited issues and it was still nice. I guess, you know, to just have that little bit of help. So yeah, there's my two cents. And again, like I, I completely get where you're coming from and I don't want to doubt your ability, you know, to do what you want to do.
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You know, like, I feel like you've done what you can do. And if you really are, if you're that confident that she did this, then not a friend.
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And for whatever reason that you are convinced she took them, if I were as convinced as you that someone stole from me, and then I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt by texting them and being like, hey, I think you accidentally took my glasses. And then they denied it and lied about it.
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And I was convinced, as you are convinced that she's lying about it, I would be like, this is not a friend. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. If you're so convinced she did this, then clearly this isn't someone you want to be around or having your life, right? Like, I don't, like, I would never think someone I'm friends with would do this, but you are convinced.
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So, like, I feel like the answer is kind of obvious and is kind of presents itself, whereas if you really think she did this, then she's not a friend, you know? Or someone that you honestly, like, At this point in your life, do you need someone who's this, I don't know, dramatic or problematic or shady? If this person truly can steal from you and lie about it, she's not your friend.
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Why would you want to hang around with someone like this at this stage in your life?
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I just, I just, as a new parent of recent experience, I just, it, It was nice. Again, I don't know how Natalie and I could have been more involved and more just like you. I want to take care of... And anytime we get... Even now, when River wakes up for a nap, Natalie and I are sometimes racing to the bedroom to see who gets to take River out of the crib.
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I would just ignore her. Yeah. Or confront her. One of the two.
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If you're so convinced, why don't you just be like, I know you took it. It's weird.
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If you know she did it and you're like, the risk here is like you're wrong.
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The risk is like, despite you looking and being as convinced as you are that there is something you haven't considered or thought of or something happened that you didn't think was possible, but it did. And it wasn't her, you know?
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But if your gut is telling you that not only she, you know, even the fact that you think it's pretty like, despite this being weird and crazy, you think she's more than capable of doing this.
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But maybe that's just my own, you know, just that surprise that you I mean, you are certain she did this without any real proof.
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Sure. No, yeah. But still not proof.
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There's no smoking gun, I guess is what I'm saying.
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And you don't want to confront her anymore?
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We're very excited, involved, happy parents. We are very hands-on. But it's been nice to have a little bit of help for that...
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But that's a choice you're making. It's not like you can't make friends.
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She doesn't sound like much of a friend. I mean, you're the one who's like, I don't know. We kind of hang out sometimes, you know, like she's a casual, she's not the person you're going to, to like really open up to. And, and she's someone you met a long time ago. You have history with, and you've kept in touch.
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That's not, but again, addressing it head on is, if you think she did it, I, you know, it's, it's an option.
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And it would go something like, hey, listen, this is really awkward for me, but their only answer could be you took them because I know where they were and you were the last person in this car. And like, I don't know why you took them or why you're not telling them, but like, it's pretty clear you did. So like, just let me know. It's not that big of a deal.
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And honestly, if you really like those glasses, you can keep them. I just like, it's just, why don't you just tell me?
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Yeah. So just kind of, you know, if you confront her, don't confront it. Like, I know what you did is if she committed a murder, just be like, this is silly. Yeah. Why don't you just tell me you have them? Cause now it's gotten weird. I would, it would be something like that.
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And then you kind of, you make her feel like this is weird and you're just like, this is super weird. I know you know this, but now that you're not telling me it's just getting weirder and then you pull back and then she's going to feel real stupid for this.
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I don't know why people do what they do, but, and I don't know this person. You just seem so convinced that she took them.
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No, I understand all that, but this is the fact that like, I just, there are even so there's gotta be people. Well, maybe, I don't know. There's gotta be people in your life that even if they were the last person in your car, you would still be like, there's no way they did that.
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The point is, you think she's more than capable of having done this.
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I mean, you know, whatever the reason is, your gut is telling you she's more than capable.
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You know, your instinct, what you know about this person is it's not hard to believe that she did as weird as it is. You're just like, yeah, if anyone would do something like this, she would do something like this.
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I, you know, I wouldn't put him to summarize. I wouldn't be friends with people who are thought were capable of this at this point in my life if I were you.
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But if you think she is someone who, you know, you have a history with, and despite her having her issues, that you want to be a friend to her because she's struggling with whatever she's struggling with, and while you're not going to accept certain types of behavior, you will be willing to, like, challenge her, address certain issues, certain behaviors, always, you know, holding her accountable, then address it.
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Has she reached out since? I'm not talking about commenting on social media.
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I mean, listen, I don't know the relationship you have with your mom. You know, you know what I'm saying? Like you're talking to someone who would have no problem going to my parents or quite frankly, Natalie's mom and say, hey, listen, you know, granted, when it comes to Natalie's mom, Natalie checks in with me. But Natalie is obviously in charge of that relationship, you know, type of thing.
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So if she took, if you're right, then chances are she won't reach out anytime soon. And comments online don't count because comments online give a perception of we're okay.
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But it's not like she's calling you to get together where she has to sit across the table with you, knowing she stole your glasses and you know she stole your glasses and you're both like, you know, so she's going to avoid you for a while.
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But if I were you, I would I would want to just say, I know you did it.
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You just text her. I know what you did last summer.
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Yeah, there's no wrong answer. I mean, it would be fun for me. I would just bother me too much. Yeah. I'd want that person to know that I know.
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No, but that's not what you did. She, she is going to convince herself that you, you know, you might suspect, but she's going to think that you don't really think it's her.
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Cause she's used to getting away with shit like this.
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So I would want to make her feel like I know. And that like, while you took it and you won't admit to it, like I would want, I would, I think you should have the guts to tell her why you're, why you're no longer friends.
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I think you just text her and tell her, listen.
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No one else could have taken them. I don't know why you did. Don't say you suspect or think. Just say it as a statement of fact.
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Speak to her as if you've seen the evidence that she has the glasses.
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tiptoeing around it no yes because it's too nervous I just have to be brave she will she will keep and let the only chance you get I have of getting her to admit it is being like I know you I like I know you did this yeah yeah like listen we all know just yeah
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you know yeah so if you want to talk about why you did this we can talk about it but like obviously you took them it seems odd to me I thought we were past this kind of behavior I'm here if you need to talk but like I'm only talking until you acknowledge what happened yeah I feel like that's a very adult safe thing to communicate to someone you claim you were at least friendly with
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And Natalie's mom just never put us in a position where I'd have to like say, you know, like almost kind of like, hey, I'm going to say something type of thing and like almost like have a confrontational moment. We've never been put in that position. But you are talking to someone who doesn't have a problem doing that. You know what I'm saying? Like, I wouldn't have a problem going to my parents.
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Have your friend, have your fiance, you draft the text and have your fiance press in.
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All right. Well, thanks for the call. I appreciate it.
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It is. Okay. Is your mom staying with you now?
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You should put that in the episode.
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And ultimately, like... what you need to do is just like sit mom down and say, Hey mom, I'm very excited. You're very excited. I'm just going to make, you know, your, let's say your husband's name is Ben, you know, Ben and I were just, this is what we want. Like, this is our plan. These are our goals. When we have our child, this is what we want to do.
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We'd love you around, but like, I, I need to make sure that you're there to allow us to do what we want as new parents and And if you're willing to respect those boundaries, but we just don't really want to be like fighting with you or like competing with you. But who gets like baby time? If you're willing to be around to help when we need help and kind of get the crumbs, so to speak, like then.
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How pushy do you think your mom's going to be on this?
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I mean, your, your mom is making this about you. Like, it's not cool. Like, it's not fair. You're my, you shouldn't have to worry as a pregnant person. You should not have to be stressed at all about other people's feelings, especially as it relates to like how much attention you, Or how much they're being made to be a priority in this birth. I think maybe you play that angle. I don't know.
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Like, you know your mom. So it's tough for me to like... other than like pointing out the obvious, like, but maybe you could say, mom, like I'm spending way too much time, mom, worrying about your feelings right now. And it's stressing me out. I want to care about your feelings. You're my mom. I want to see you happy. But like, I have six weeks left here.
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It's really important that I'm not stressed out and I am. So I really need you to just be on board with what I want for my child and our child. And we want you to be a part of it. But like, you're not the main character here, mom. Yeah. You know, I don't know. Your mom's giving. Can you have that conversation with your mom?
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What's your partner's relationship with your mom?
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What's your relationship with your mom?
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Would he be comfortable having this conversation with her?
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I mean, listen, I just, I am going to keep it real with you. Like, again, I want to recognize that me and Natalie are very lucky when it comes to our parents and what their roles are. Now that you are having a child, you know, you're, you just have a tough choice to make. And unfortunately for you, your mom is making it about her.
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And, you know, and you're, you know, now that you have a kid, you're going to have to be willing to disappoint mom and not let it bother you. Yeah. If your mom is going to make you choose between her feelings or your partner's feelings or your child's feelings, personally, I feel like you should be picking not mom, you know? And it's up to mom to make the adjustment.
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And because you're six months pregnant, I don't want you stressed. I don't want you crying. I don't want you emotional. I don't want you worrying about this. And I kind of honestly feel like this might be a moment for your partner to step up as awkward as it might be to say, hey, listen, Betty, you're stressing Alex out. And like, I know you I know you're excited.
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I know this is a very exciting time for you. It's exciting time for all of us. But like, you really need to start respecting Alex's wishes here and stop making her feel guilty for doing what she wants. This is her pregnancy. This is our moment. And we love you, but you need to stop this.
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Yeah. I mean, respectful, like, you know, your mom and that we've talked, you know, if you listen to the show, we talk about this a lot. You know, when we have people call in with issues with their parents, like it's parents really struggle some more than others with like understanding the new boundaries of their parent child relationship, because your mom is quite respectful.
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I mean, right now you are very kind of accommodating to mom. You know, you're afraid to disappoint mom and mom knows that. And that's mom's greatest weapon towards you.
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And I don't know if you're, I don't think your mom's like being, you know, manipulative in a conscious way where she's, you know, but I think she is used to knowing, I think subconsciously she knows that she can guilt you into getting her way.
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And that's not going to stop until you guys put your foot down.
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I think you are entitled to ask for whatever you want. This is your first child. This is your baby. This is you and your partner's first experience. I'm sorry that you even have to worry about this. To be honest, it sucks. Unfortunately, you do. But like, I think it really comes down to your willingness not to give a fuck about mom's feelings. That's what it comes down to.
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And your mom's going to be OK. You know, like granted, my family dynamics a little bit different. I have my brother just had his first child. You know, he lives in San Diego. My parents live in Wisconsin. But like they were, you know, him and his partner were like, we just we're going to do this. They didn't invite my parents, you know, to be there in the room.
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It wasn't you know, my parents were OK with that, but they just weren't invited. you know?
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Yeah. But it's, it's still not your mom's first kid and it's not your mom's moment. This is not about her, you know? And, and mom needs to recognize that she is acting like the main character in a situation where she simply is not. And she should not be adding stress to her daughter's life because she's more worried about being in the room.
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So what I'm hearing is you empathize with mom wanting to feel included, but it sounds like mom's making this a little too much about her rather than being a part of it. Yeah. Okay. Well, your perspective does matter, obviously, in this situation. How far along are you?
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You know your mom best. So that's hard for me to ask. I think you need to get better at confronting mom in general. And that seems to be an issue for you. And until you do, your problems with mom won't go away. That being said, I don't want you stressed about this. So if it will stress you, maybe now is not the time, six weeks left in your pregnancy to have this big like moment with mom.
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You know, listen, for example, Natalie, like I was in New York over the weekend. She didn't get to come. I was there for a wedding, ran some errands. And now it was like I was stopping at a store to get a friend like a small like thank you gift. She knew what store I was going to. And she's like, by the way. I really love their sweaters. I'm a size medium in a playful way.
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Now, I didn't end up buying her a sweater. I ended up sending her flowers or whatever. But she like in a playful way, she like always like will throw out jokes about like getting her this or getting her that. It's not really serious or anything like that. She is sometimes giving me ideas. And then I will
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deliver on some of these ideas from time to time and I actually appreciate it like to me in a lot of ways I think Natalie sets me up for success right she will joke about flyers from time to time it's never like why don't you ever get me flowers she'll joke about like boy grocery stores always have flowers right at the checkout and they make it so easy you know it's just like a little reminder here or there and Natalie has a nice way of doing it without making it feel like I'm being nagged and but it's up to me to take advantage of those kind of ideas that she has
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Yeah, he is definitely a very... It sounds like a very stubborn man who doesn't like to be told what to do. And when you are saying these things, he gets annoyed. And I imagine you feel frustrated because you're like, well, he's definitely not going to give it to me if I never bring it up.
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When I do bring it up, he makes it... It's almost like, well, now that you brought it up, I'm not going to do it because it's like he doesn't want to be told to do anything or reminded to do things. And it's just like, well, okay.
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Like... You said a few minutes ago that he thinks that he would do anything to make a relationship work. Is that accurate?
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Well, I know you don't believe it, but I'm saying, like, why do you think he said that? And do you think he believes it?
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In terms of back to the sex, because men are men, have you done things to spice things up on your end only to be turned down? Let's say send him a sexy photo randomly, hoping that he would get turned on and want to come home and ravage you and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Have you done anything like that and then been turned down?
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He doesn't sound like a man in therapy, but I'm just going to ask, is he in therapy or have you guys tried couples therapy?
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So and then you mentioned you're kind of broken up. Like, what's his state of mind right now?
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He's an adult. He's a big boy. He's 44 years old. I don't know if he takes you seriously. I mean, he's not giving the energy like he is, right? Like things aren't adding up, right? If you're a guy who says, I would do anything for you. I don't want to lose you. I love you. way he would be willing to make some changes. Some of your asks aren't that hard.
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So would you say, I mean, all jokes aside, I mean, like how how much of this breakup is centered around a lack of sex versus a myriad of other things? Like, for example, you want to have a family someday. And according to him, it's a non-negotiable that he doesn't.
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You know, like I don't think it's one thing, you know, having sex only on the weekends, I guess. I mean, like if you guys were having sex every Saturday and Sunday, I'm like two times a week is not the worst late at night. He's, you know what I'm saying? Like drunk, you know, it's just like, no, no, who would want that? You know what I'm saying?
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Like who would want a relationship where the sex life is solely decided by the man one side. And then again, he doesn't want to have kids. You do that alone. I mean, quite honestly, like if, if that really is how he feels and that's how you feel, then you guys definitely should break up.
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Listen, I obviously I'm biased. I'm a new dad. I don't want to project any of my parenting necessarily beliefs or desires on anyone else. But like as some, it's, it's the greatest thing ever. I've never met a parent,
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you know, whether they've always wanted to be parents or like yourself kind of decided later in life that something they wanted that they didn't think it was like the absolute most incredible experience and like gave their life some real purpose. I hope everyone has the opportunity to experience what it's like to be a parent. That's an awesome, awesome thing.
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You know, it's one of those things too. It's just like, you know, we, we live in a time where we become hyper conscientious of our childhood traumas. We become way more aware of reasons, you know, that, things that have hurt us or damaged us, right? But I think we've become less resilient as well, right?
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And I think some of these things that we become aware of to explain what happened to us, to explain why we are the way we are, I think it's important, right? Because it makes us feel like things are less our fault. At least it gives us a path for healing. But I also think in a lot of ways, it's become an excuse not to make improvements in our life.
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I didn't have a traumatic childhood relative to, for example, my wife, or sounds like you. But there's a lot of people who choose not to use past misfortunes as a reason not to be a better version of themselves. Sounds like your brother really has embraced fatherhood and wants to not bring upon his daughter what was brought upon him. And so you can choose to do that.
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And you can get therapy and you can get help and you can acknowledge that, hey, this should happen to me, but I don't want to pass that down. I can do things differently. Like your boyfriend sounds like he's just a victim, especially when it comes to cheating and not wanting to do things differently.
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Everything you're saying sounds like you've really thought this through and he's not giving you anything to work with. Even now you're broken up and he's not even fighting for you. He's just kind of like, well, you know, I guess, you know, he's being a gracious host. Like he's being a really cool landlord. You know what I'm saying? He's just allowing you to continue to live there.
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And he's like, yeah, I mean, like we can still have sex and like hook up. I mean, he's being really, really nice about you staying there. He really is. He could be a much bigger dick. You know what I'm saying? But he's not fighting for you. He's not doing any, you know, he's not doing anything that makes him really feel like he's going to miss you or be sorry.
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And like the best you can do is wonder if he's even taking you seriously. And honestly, who knows?
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The fact that you want to be a mom and he absolutely doesn't, it's all you need. I mean, you should assume he's not going to change. I don't think anyone should be in a relationship with someone who clearly doesn't want to have kids and then tries to convince themselves if they're okay with not having kids for the sake of a relationship.
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Think of all the things he's not willing to do for you, the little things.
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And he is indirectly asking you to give up on the miracle of being a mom. That's a huge ask.
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Cause like nothing else went wrong, but that I'm like, he hasn't matured at a, at a rate he should have at this point in his life. That's an insane thing for him to say. And if anything, what that says is that you're describing a person who is very much can't think outside of himself. He's very self-centered. He's very selfish.
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And that's honestly very typical for a lot of people who aren't in committed relationships. He's 44 years old and he doesn't have a family. And that's not a criticism on him. It's just that prior to me being in a relationship with Natalie, by default, I had a more self-centered life. I only really had me to care about.
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And even when Natalie and I were still dating, it wasn't like we were just boyfriend and girlfriend. You know, my primary concern was me, my job, the people, you know, like you just by default become more selfish and self-centered. And he has really like leaned into that. And he seems to be incapable of even acknowledging what he's asking you.
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He doesn't want to have kids and he's expecting you to be comfortable with that and make you feel bad for thinking about like, well, because you don't even want to break up with them. Here you are fighting for this relationship. It feels like you're fighting by yourself. His big solution to this whole relationship problem is for you to get on board.
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Like in every category, at least of what you're describing, whether it's a sex life, whether it's the intimacy, whether it's the having kids, he's very consistent. And which is, this is how I feel. This is who I am. Take it or leave it.
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I don't want this for you and you don't want this for yourself, but let's just play that. You know, if, if you broke up with them and you moved back home, he didn't move on. He didn't forget about you. You didn't move on. You didn't forget about him. You guys reconnected in six months, nine months. You're back. You move back together with him.
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And literally in a year from now, you are back together again. with it being kind of essentially the same. That would be a choice that you make, for one. No one's going to make you do that, right? So if you do do that, you're choosing to do that, and that's something you need to recognize, too. That's not the worst case scenario.
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At least at that point, you were able to go home, enjoy your niece or nephew, spend time with family, probably date other people, get a sense of what else is out there, explore your feelings about children, If you decide a year from now that you don't want to have kids and he's willing to get back together with you, then what did you lose? Nothing. You know what I'm saying? You gained perspective.
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You gained at least to explore what else is out there. What the real worst case scenario is for you to accept this life that you have right now, which is making you unhappy. And despite how much you're fighting for this relationship, it sounds like you're fighting a battle by yourself. And I would hate for you to know nothing about it and just accept this as the best you can get.
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And then a year from now, still be with the guy having these same feelings and not even knowing what it's like and still questioning whether you should leave or not. At least with that other scenario, at least you got to leave and chose to come back. You know what I'm saying? That's not for nothing. You would be gaining perspective, at least. But that's, again, you don't have to go back.
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It does sound like it doesn't take you very seriously. You've gotten this close before, like you said. And the routine was for him to just allow the fear of breaking you guys up to reconnect you guys, have a little more steamy sex, take some of the attention off the table. But that's not what you want because you know that's temporary.
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So in the short term, I would probably stop sleeping with him, for one. I would act like roommates. That might help you get some perspective.
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Criticism toward if you have such a hard time with that, that's part of the reason why he's not taking you seriously. At some point, this person, this your boyfriend, like he's not changing because at the end of the day, it's been easier for him to wear you down.
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Yeah. I mean, subconsciously, you've heard me use this metaphor before, but people do not spend more than they need to. They're not charged $15 at the register and they don't just offer 20 bucks for no reason. So if you are constantly always accepting what he's willing to give, even if it's the bare minimum, then he's generally only going to give the bare minimum.
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So all he has to do is kind of wear you out and he ends up getting what he wants. And that's probably been fairly consistent from him. And I really empathize for him. I really feel for him because the only thing that's really happened out of this so far is he gets cheated on, which is such an egregious sin in a relationship. He quickly becomes the victim.
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So here he is in all these relationships, including yours now, where he pushes their partner away. He pushes their partner away. He disconnects. He stonewalls. He makes himself out to be like this mini victim as if like, I'm trying my best, but you ask too much of me. But like, I'm not going to do this. I'm not going to do this. And I'm not going to do that.
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Again, they make the decision wrong as it is. They made a decision partly because they, you know, they don't know what to do with this fucking guy anymore. And like, well, thankfully you have the maturity and the self-respect not to cheat on, on him that his partners didn't have the same self-respect that you had. And then that happens.
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What else is going on in your relationship that's making you consider leaving?
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And then immediately there's no reflection on like the role he played. He's just like, I'm a victim. They're a bitch. They cheated on me. They're horrible and poor me. And I really feel for him because like this has become a pattern for him. And instead of growing through these experiences, it's almost stunted his growth as a man.
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I don't recommend it. That's a bad idea. I do. Yeah. Listen, I understand all the things you're saying that in the short term, it's going to be, it makes the breakup more difficult because, you know, that's the problem with, you know, having five-year relationships is that you don't just develop relationships with your partner. You develop relationships with their friends and their family.
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And in some cases they really become as much of a support system for you as they were for your partner, it makes your life harder. It makes it easier for him to get back in.
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Yeah, it's a little manipulative, but also your boyfriend's giving a little bit of boy, right? Like, and here's the thing, when you break up with someone, you should break up with them. And like, I'm assuming that if I were a genie, I could tell the future. If I was like Casey, I hate to break it to you. You'll never find love outside of this relationship. This is it for you.
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You would probably stay in the relationship. You'd be like, oh, that sucks. I mean, that's not perfect, but like, I guess he's good enough. You know, like if you're going to break up with someone, you should assume because it's Almost certainly true that you will find someone else.
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I don't know when that will be, but the only reason you are considering breaking off this relationship is because you think you can do better, that you deserve better, that you deserve a relationship and a partner who is going to make it feel like they enjoy making you feel happy. They look forward to making you feel happy.
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Yes, they need to be reminded from time to time about what they can and should do, But like they appreciate the reminders and ultimately they wake up excited every day, thankful that you are in their life and glad they have an opportunity to show you that love. Right. Because you do. Everyone deserves that. And if you're going to leave this relationship, it's in pursuit of finding that. Right.
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And you will find it someday. And so with that in mind, you need to do that immediately. And you need to live your life as if you're moving on and pursuing that next life and that next love. And you don't know who that's going to be with or who it is, but you're going to start today if you were to end the relationship. That's the mentality you need to have.
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The only reason people stay friends and breakups is because they're They're second guessing their decision. Or in his case, if he's being broken up with, he's hoping for a lifeline, right? It's not because they're actual friends, right? Either you're going to find someone new or he's going to find someone new and both of your partners are going to be like, no, no.
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I'm not comfortable with you being friends with your ex of five years. What are you guys friends for? You're just simply friends because you haven't replaced them with someone else. But here I am in your life now wanting to be your boyfriend. And I'm really uncomfortable with Chad being your buddy when he was your boyfriend for five years. You know what I'm saying?
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Like no one's going to be okay with that. His next girlfriend, if you break up with them and and he ages down, whatever, and finds the impressionable young person who puts up with his very rigid expectations of what he's willing to give in a relationship, she's also not going to be comfortable with you.
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And she's not going to be comfortable with you being best friends with his sister or mother or whoever. I'm not saying you need to cut off his family immediately. But listen, it's a sad reality of relationships in life, and you will recover from it. And again, your next boyfriend, well, I don't know how their family dynamic is going to be.
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Maybe he won't be as close with them or whatever or yada yada. But you will be able to find that. But the goal for you, you're looking for a family potentially, right? You're looking for a life partner. You're interested in having children. And you're not going to, I promise you,
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Okay. Is that like a hard and fast rule, or is that like something that it's just kind of organically started happening?
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If you're lucky enough to find someone that is excited about spending the rest of your life with you and having a family with you, you won't give a fuck about what friends you kept in your previous life. Your life will literally... I mean, talk to your brother. He'll know exactly what I'm saying. It's just like your life kind of starts over from that moment.
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And you're just not going to have time to... to keep in touch with your ex-boyfriend's mom. You're just not going to care. You'll wish her well. It's hard for you to recognize that now because you're still, you know, you still love your boyfriend. You still live with them. You're kind of like, you're broken up, but kind of not really. And that's just like a hard thing for you to grasp.
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But it's definitely not great to stay connected and in touch because it just makes it that much more difficult to move on. And if, listen, getting back together is not the worst thing. It's not having any clarity. And so, yeah, it's harsh, but it's the right thing to do if you decide to move on.
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Gotcha. All right. So it sounds like sex is very much on his terms. And those terms are, like you said, are often at a time where you're not interested. And then you mentioned intimacy, kissing, holding hands, touching, things like that. I mean, I think every guy on some level, there's room for improvement when it comes to those types of little things.
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And like, you know, you have friends and you have your brother and like you have a sister-in-law and like the people who are always closest with at 29. I'm trying to think where I was in my life when I was 29, but I promise you that will evolve.
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And you definitely shouldn't be making decisions about your future self and your future life for like relatives of ex-boyfriends who decided they weren't willing to like do their part.
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If he wanted to, he would. Yeah, listen, I really do empathize with him, and that's not for you to feel so bad for him you stay with him. He's not over his being cheated on, for sure. He's also, he hasn't been willing to look at, like, the role he played. I wonder if even that question would trigger him. Is he aware of how stubborn he is?
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The difference between you and all his exes is that you have your own personal boundary about, like, your unwillingness to cheat. Some people are just, like, have enough trauma in their life, and that's just maybe their parents...
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did that shit and they just think that's the answer to getting out or whatever they self-sabotage things like that some people like not to make excuses for any of his ex-girlfriends shouldn't happen the communication's hard and your boyfriend it sounds like he's very difficult to communicate with yeah i mean i've had i've had that same literal thought of like i mean i would never do it but i can see where a woman would get to the point where they might
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feel like stepping out on this relationship dynamic yeah i mean think about it right now you're you're just like i'm talking to you and you're giving me all these answers and like and you're still struggling with wondering if you're making the right decision again not justifying at all because i do think it's one of the worst things you can do to someone and cheating on someone really will fuck them up emotionally and mentally and it's just a terrible terrible thing but the reality is is like it's more common than it's not common and you have to ask yourself why
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right? And there are reasons why people do it. I had to reflect when I got cheated on in the past about like, you know, could I have done things differently? It doesn't make it my fault. It's no one's fault for being cheated on. They made a choice, but you can still look at your own choices as what got you in that position. Right.
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And so here you are, your boyfriend's really good at making you question how you're feeling and making you like not confident in your decisions. And I can see a less better communicator who doesn't have the boundary you have feeling like they should break up with this guy, afraid of doing it.
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So they just like fuck another guy to like kind of make the decision for themselves in a way like that shit happens. And like your your boyfriend can't come back from that. Yeah, you can't come back from that. And like, you know, it's your boyfriend, it's like right in front of his face, you know, and he doesn't even want to like do anything about it.
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And you know, it's funny, ironically, here he is telling you about other men and like what you're supposed to accept and things like that. What's more accurate is like, if you don't change, you're going to keep pushing all of your partners away at some point. He wants to speak for all men.
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I think you can speak for more women talking about what they're not going to be okay with once they find their voice and are uncomfortable in a relationship with him.
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But I guess my question to you is, is he the type of partner that occasionally needs to be reminded, but when he is reminded, acknowledges that he can do better or that's something that's important in the relationship? Or is he scoffing and blowing you off or making you feel like a nag or stupid for even bringing it up and asking? Which is more reflective of him?
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And if he only wants to have sex on his terms, and if he only is willing to be affectionate on his terms and make you feel bad for asking and make you feel like a nag and make you feel stupid or for wanting some of the things in your life that he doesn't, it ain't going to get much better for him.
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Well, thank you for saying, and I appreciate you saying that because sometimes it does feel like we are alone with our opinion, but I can assure you we're right.
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Sorry you're going through this, but you're not crazy. And I think your instincts and your gut is right. And I think you should follow your gut. You're only 29. You're still incredibly young. You have a ton going for you. You can leave this relationship feeling good knowing that you've tried.
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And every relationship I've ever been in that didn't work out, whether I got cheated on or whether I broke up with them or whether they broke up with me, I always felt like I did everything I could. I probably stayed in a relationship longer than I should have. And so, you know, the stuff about, you know, you thought you were going to break up in the past and didn't and yada yada.
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If you decide to leave this man, you can feel good that you've done everything you could. You tried. You turned over every stone, you looked in every nook and cranny, and he just decided that this is who he is. And if you're not going to accept who he is, then he's not going to change. And it's not your job to convince him how wrong he is. You can't predict the future. I don't know.
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It would be hard for you to trust that he's actually going to make a change. Because once you break up, then it becomes something he's only willing to do once he took seriously. But put it this way. Fast forward. Let's say you break up with him. Let's say all of a sudden he's like, oh, crying and begging for you back and really changing. I would say to him,
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I don't think you ever really dealt with the reasons why you've been cheated on and why like, you know, and then this may hurt your feelings, but like, I understand you got over the, you know, the hurt, but like you never really addressed the why. And while it's not your fault, you got cheated on.
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Like there is a pattern in your life that you're not willing to change for the people in relationships and you force them to make these drastic decisions. Like I didn't want to break up with you. The only difference between me and your ex-girlfriends is I just chose a healthier way to get out of the relationship.
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But at the end of the day, I wanted to be in this relationship and you pushed me away.
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Please keep us posted. We'd love to know what you end up doing. And we're here if you need.
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Is there a particular man that you're considering doing this for?
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I don't even eat elk and I eat meat. Yeah. How do you know you never eat elk?
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It's funny because Natalie and I were in a meeting earlier today talking about something, but our relationships came up in general, and I talked about how dating Natalie is, out of all the women I've dated, Natalie is the person that, for all our differences in personality, of which there are many, partly because of just our personalities and there's our age difference, et cetera, et cetera, we like a lot of the same things.
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Shows we like to watch, foods we like to eat, things that we like to do, and that matters. And I have had to realize like younger me, you know, 22 year old me was like, love is all you need. And it was like I almost kind of got off on like how incompatible me and someone I thought was hot were.
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And the idea that like, you know, if I loved him enough or I was willing to sacrifice enough that like I somehow got a like a medal for being the most, I don't know, miserable person. you know, love martyr, you know, in a way.
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And it's just like, it, it matters that that really matters in a relationship, like the day to day to not have to compromise every goddamn day about what you do or what you eat or where you go or who you hang out with. Like relationships are hard enough. So, you know, some of the small day to day things like you, you want to make sure you're compatible on as many things as possible.
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That would make sense. I mean, it's interesting how he felt comfortable speaking for every man ever in any type of relationship. But to me, that's just a reaction to feeling defensive on his part, not in any way excusing anything he said, but I'm guessing that's where it comes from. And I'm assuming you know that that's not the case or true?
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Because there's, you know, relationships are hard. I have dated a vegetarian. And like you, she was like a vegetarian her whole life. She grew up on a farm, you know, and she loved animals. And the idea of like eating like the baby cow is just like, you know, whatever. I did get her to try meat at one point. I don't know, like after we broke up. Oh, wow. Yeah. Anyways.
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I'd start there. You know, honestly, listen, if you decide to go down this route, I'm sure there's plenty of literature you can read and smart ways of doing it.
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Yeah. But I would go with the experts. I would listen to the dietary experts.
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Here's my opinion. Just my opinion. You definitely shouldn't do it for a man.
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And the reason is because one, you know, like you're dating a guy, you don't know where it's going to go. You don't know if he's the person, yada, yada. You're not doing it for him. But you have noticed a repetitive problem. You have chosen to live in this community. You've made this choice. You moved to Wyoming. You fell in love with it. You can go on and on about the things that you like.
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It makes you happy, right? And everything that, you know, life is full of sacrifices all the time. So you're not doing it for a man or men in general, you're doing it for you, right? And you have to make that choice between like, what makes me the most happiest, right? I want to find love someday. I'm assuming that's true, right? Like, you know, you want to find love.
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You have long-term relationship goals. And ideally, you really love where you live. And you recognize that where you live and the place that makes you happy in terms of location, there's one little hiccup. And that is a very rural place with a lot of hunting men who only eat meat. And the environment in which you live in isn't conducive for a vegetarian diet.
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I mean, if you want to get all really deep and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, it's like back in...
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caveman days or whatever like you know way back in the day people adapted to their environments right people might have been like you know communities were like more carnivores because like the only place you know where they could eat was to hunt or something you know some communities ate more fish you know you know plant-based or whatever because of like the soil was rich and blah blah blah blah blah and on some level even though it's 2025 that's the predicament that's where you you have to adapt to the environment right and the environment that you've decided you want to live in
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is an environment that's very inconvenient for vegetarians.
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No one likes someone who brings a Tupperware to a party. You know what I'm saying? Like, my sister's a holistic nutritionist and like, it's just, yeah, it's a whole thing. I mean, I'm joking, but like, yeah, like it's just, yeah, it's true though.
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Yeah, if you called me up, right, and you were like, I've been a vegetarian my whole life. I really like this guy. I moved to Wyoming for college. I'm not staying here my whole life. It's temporary. I'm definitely going to leave this place at some point. I've been like, just ride it out. Bring your Tupperware. Yeah. Date who you date. Yeah. You know, maybe it'll work out. It probably won't.
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This is, you're probably not going to find your person in this place, but you want to stay in this place. You know, that the only thing that sounds like you're certain of is that you love where you live and you want to, and you want to stay here as far as you know.
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You're not, you're not 17. You know, like it's also like a weird thing for him to say, given like you are his girlfriend, you know, I couldn't imagine at this stage for me to tell my wife who's three years younger than you. And I'm the same age as your boyfriend to talk about her inexperience or her youth at this stage of our relationship. It's a, it's more a reflection of him than it is of you.
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Well, I mean, yeah, you'd have to import a vegetarian and that might be more difficult in the place that you live. I mean, listen, all jokes aside.
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Your type is your type, you know, to a certain degree. But yeah, there's exceptions to every rule. And I think sometimes maybe as men get older, they might change their diet. You know, like I have a friend who he only eats fish. He cut out red meat out of his diet. You know, he's still a man, you know, but like it's just more he's he's he's realized that this makes him feel better or whatever.
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You know, it's a it's a it's a life choice. But. Listen, you can always go back to being a vegetarian. I do. Listen, it's based on your type. I guess what I'm saying is like, yeah, I mean, couples can do it. Sure. But it's it sucks. It sucks. I mean, every day now and I are like, what do you want for dinner?
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And the worst part of our day every day is deciding what we want for dinner, even though we all like the same things. And our biggest problem is like, because we have like, we love what we love and we have a somewhat limited palette. And it's just like, you know, we have like, we're busy and it's just like,
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let's just make what we know we will like instead of like making something new or whatever. And so like every day it's like, do we have tacos again? Or do we have kale salad again? But like, again, it's already a difficult decision. If every day it was like, what do you want? And what do I want? And like, again, you do, you feel less connected.
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Like I know it's, it's not fun to date someone with a completely different diet. It's just not, it's just not. And like, you know what that's like, right? It's not fun for you. It's not fun for them.
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yeah you this is a perspective thing you have to change your perspective you said the word streak yeah which tells me that like you're like you remind me of the person like i bet there's a movie out there that everyone's seen that you haven't and you love fucking reminding people well i just don't really watch movies at all okay well but you get what i'm saying like there's you know you kind of you yeah you kind of like the narrative of having never eaten meat at some point you you like telling people you've never peed on a plane it's like your thing you know what i'm saying like
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And if you really needed to, you would, you would pee in a plane or your bladder would explode. So as much as you had to pee and as much as you held it, like your life was never on the line and you just like sucked it up and you kind of liked the narrative. Right. So if you're going to do this, like who, no, I can probably, no one cares, but you, you know what I'm saying? Like no one cares.
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You get what I'm saying? But your mental hurdle is like, it's the streak of I've never eaten meat. And now I will no longer be able to say I've never eaten meat.
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I can't believe I did that. Well, the reason is a community.
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Stop making it some sort of ceremony or a big deal. If other people want to make it a big deal, let them make a big deal. But it's not a rite of passage. That'd be super fucking weird if, in my opinion, no offense, to have your dad cook your first meat meal
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You know, because that's basically, it's just like, well, why are you dating? I would say like, why are you dating this person? You really think she's that young and inexperienced? You've been A, with her for five years and B, she's 29. And so is that what you prefer? Young and inexperienced?
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is some sort of symbolic gesture it's not that deep like one day you decided to try meat and if you decided to try it and you're like this is fucking gross and disgusting and you let's say you never have meat again like you can decide internally to make that a big deal and make that a thing to yourself and be like i can't believe i tried meat and no you know like no one cares
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That is a narrative that you have held on to. That is something that has made you feel special. It's an ego driven thought. It doesn't do anything for you other than it gives you something to like pine over and like ruminate over and attach an identity to. You can find other identities. No one cares. but you, right? So you didn't seem to let that shit go.
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Really, you know, like be pragmatic about this decision. You know, again, it's not for another person. It doesn't have to be a ceremony and you can always stop eating meat. But right now, the choice and the decision is clear. I love my community. As far as I know, if all things being equal, I would love to invest in this place where I live and build a life here. Yeah, there are limited men.
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And so that might change where I live. And also like the diet is like, forget about men I date, just like being involved and embracing this community, like as crazy as it sounds, like it's not very conducive for people Someone with a vegetarian diet. So I'm choosing this community over this personal thing that I have. And I want to do that because I'm doing it for the community.
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And I'm doing it for me. You're doing it for you at the end of the day. At the end of the day, if you want to find love and you do it for a guy, you're doing it for you. Whether that works out with the guy or not, you didn't do it for them. You did it because you want to be with them and you did it for you.
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Or is like, is your reason for dating this younger person is because despite her age, you were surprised by like just how young
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My opinion is I wouldn't ask, despite you doing this for your community, I wouldn't ask the people in your community. I get why they think elk, right? That's really part of their, but like, listen, you could definitely enjoy, you know, try to eat some kind of meat and find a couple, let's say it's chicken and fish.
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And if all you ate was chicken and fish, that makes it so much easier for anyone you date, even your elk eating boyfriend. Yeah. Because like, I bet he likes chicken, right? And elk, I don't know, maybe it's a tasty meat. I'm guessing it has a similar like consistency of venison, which is kind of like steak, whatever.
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much you guys had in common or how much you guys enjoyed each other's company or just how much you wanted similar things and yada yada yada that comment is very much to me a reflection of him and not you it's just a projection of you know his point of view and doesn't really speak to anything about you
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But like, it's, you know, it's a reason why like most people aren't eating elk because it's like not the tastiest, you know, of the meat categories. You know, maybe I'm speaking on a turn not to offend anyone in the Wyoming area.
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Just make it easy on yourself, right? I would probably start with fish or chicken because it's easier to digest. I'm guessing elk is a tougher meat, probably.
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Well, my, my girlfriend, my ex-girlfriend who I met, she didn't, you know, she tried processed sausage and she didn't explode. So you'll be fine.
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Most importantly, all you really need to do is from a digestive standpoint and just like a wellness standpoint, I would do some research and there's probably a lot of information out there because you're not the first person to go on this journey. What's the easiest path forward for your digestive system to incorporate protein into your diet for the very first time? And from there, experiment.
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Maybe, but to me, that sounds like you're looking for another reason.
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Yes, just you're doing it. You're doing it for your community. Why isn't that enough for you?
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Fine, but again, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but you really love where you live, right?
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And if you could make this place where you live work for the rest of your life, you would, right?
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Yeah, you're right. That might change. But as you sit here today, you would, right?
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If you could find a good option, if you could find a life partner who also wanted to live here, you like this place.
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Yeah. I mean, listen, like it's for you, it's, it's fascinating just like story just because again, it really paints you as an outsider. It really does. You know, if you lived in LA, you wouldn't be dealing with this problem. You'd fit right in.
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And that's what I'm saying. Own the decision. Own it. I love this place. I love living here. I really like it. It's not perfect. If it was perfect, everyone would be a vegetarian. They'd have vegetarian restaurants. There'd be more men. But despite it not being perfect, I really love it. And I want to make this place work. How do I make this place work? All right. Well.
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Because you want to find a person to spend your life with, and maybe you've recognized something that makes it harder for people to connect with you in general, right?
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This isn't a one-off situation where one guy really didn't like your vegetarian diet, right? This is a theme, not just for the men that you date, but the people you interact with, your community. It's something that is a huge inconvenience for you, your diet. Yeah, for sure.
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Yeah. Yeah. And again, that's why, you know, you're adapting to your environment, which everyone has to do. I've adapted.
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You know, life is all about changing. I do think you enjoy being different, which is a fine quality to a certain extent, but it sounds like to even a detriment. Like you like telling people, you love telling people you've never peed on a plane. It's like a fun anecdote you like sharing.
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Yeah. But at once it was just like, again, nobody cares. No one cares. Exactly. And at first you did it because you had this weird phobia about germs or whatever. And it turned into a thing. And then you would tell people and people like, no way, never, not once. And they'd ask you a bunch of follow up questions. You'd be like, nope, not even then.
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And like, it made you feel like the center of attention. For a period of time. And you like that. And like that, again, is just an ego thing. And like, you got to let that shit go. And if the fact that you would be hanging on to that in lieu of like feeling more involved in the community that you love and making you feel more a part of the place that you'd like to build a life is a little nuts.
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You know, I'm here to help. So yeah, take it slow. So again, you having your dad, you know, like that's doing it for your, do it for yourself. Go on your own journey. Talk to your doctor, talk to a couple of dietitianary experts, read a couple of things online. Do not ask men that you're dating or people in your community. You know, they're going to serve you elk.
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You know, if you want to eat elk for the first time, eat elk for the first time, but do it for yourself and do it by yourself. And then don't make some big announcement. That maybe it would be like a challenge for you to like check your ego at the door and make sure that you're not doing it for attention.
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Yeah, whatever. That's just people having fun. But you got to let that go. That's really your stuff. You know, you're.
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I mean, it's more you've created too much identity around it. An identity that really hasn't gotten you anywhere. You know, certainly not with the place.
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And you can always go back. You can always go to those vegan-only restaurants in Colorado if you want to. You know what I'm saying? This is not some sort of point-of-no-return decision you're making. It's an arbitrary streak that you've added unnecessary value to in your life.
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It's a mental hurdle, and it's something you're willing to consider for yourself to make some of your other goals in life more obtainable.
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Listen, I'm not saying it's his fault for being cheated on, you know, but clearly what you are describing is a person who, if what you're saying is true and what you've heard is true, and I'm sure there is some truth to it, is that this is a very stubborn individual who, as this person has gotten older, has obviously been able to date younger, whatever.
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I mean, interesting enough and we have to go, but not at one point have you voiced like, Oh, I'm really going to feel bad about like eating that pig or elk. I'm just saying the reason you started being a vegetarian in the first place was because of this love for animals.
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And clearly, mentally, you've worked through that where I think you maybe just recognize that there's a way of doing it and a way of not doing it. And I'm sure if you do start eating meat, you'll probably want a source meat that comes from an ethical place or things like that. But you have a new mental hurdle, right?
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So even the reason you became a vegetarian in the first place isn't the reason you're still a vegetarian today. And I think that's something to note.
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Correct. All right. Well, keep us posted. We would all love to know if you finally do.
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You know, I think this is a really interesting moment for you. And I think there's a, diets aside, there's some like other things going on about yourself and why you see the world the way you do and why you make some of the decisions that like, I think something to reflect on.
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I don't want to call myself an expert, but hopefully you found the advice helpful, all right?
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Okay. And how serious are you considering breaking up with him over this?
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I'm guessing he looks fairly good for his age. Yes. Yeah, so because he's aged gracefully, he's, you know, able to attract... you know, younger people as well.
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But again, the pattern his family members are noticing is like, this is this very stubborn person who is able to, like you said, kind of mold person into their lifestyle, which I think I'm sure he would say kind of works at first, whether that's, that's whether it is like conscious intention or not, you know, it's like one thing for a family member to deserve something versus him being like, well, I do this because this, and he just,
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Okay. Congratulations. And Jim, is this your, is it like your, how do you guys know this person?
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as opposed to just kind of happens that way. But I would imagine, you know, like you are in this position now feeling the way you're feeling versus past ex-girlfriends is that like, again, not to justify cheating at all, but it makes sense that someone who like initially dates younger is in a position of power, right?
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Yeah, this is kind of our dilemma. If I'm understanding, your goal, like you said, is to not necessarily break up with him if you didn't have to, but to try to get through to him and communicate to him the way he is makes it difficult to have a relationship with him. And you're hoping to do that in a way that, A, he can receive it, and B, not break his heart. Yeah. hurt his feelings or something.
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Yeah. What does this guy have going for him? And what does he not have going for him?
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When you're with him, does he constantly mostly talk about himself?
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Yeah. He's fallen back into that habit. And usually complaining about like how he's a victim of various circumstances.
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Yeah, I mean... It sounds like someone who, for whatever reason, lacks some confidence in himself. And that has turned into him kind of being obnoxious, you know, kind of. It's funny because the way you're describing this friend, someone I know popped into my mind. I guess I would call him a friend. I don't spend a lot of time with this person anymore. They're also a lawyer.
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I bet you feel like you have a lot more agency and voice in this relationship than you did when you first met the guy. And when you first met the guy, you were 24 years old and he was 39 years old. And, you know, I don't I don't know what it felt. I'm sure kind of exciting. You probably had more money than you. You probably had more means, a little bit more life experience.
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I don't know if that's a coincidence or not. This particular friend is like a great looking guy too, right? He's like, he's 6'2", great head of hair. Just, I mean, he's hot. He's a hottie. He's insufferable to be around. He's an absolute nightmare. And he's really been unlucky in love. And the truth is, he's the problem. He is definitely the problem.
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You know, and I don't know if I haven't talked to him in a while.
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I don't know how self-aware he is, but like he has pushed a lot of people away just because like his own narcissism in a way, like, you know, he's justifies complaining or talking about himself either because like he feels like he's a victim of some kind of mistreatment or yada, yada, yada, or, or, you know, he's projecting, you know,
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He doesn't feel like he's getting enough recognition from a circle of influence. So he's constantly like talking about his accolades because no, no, you know, it's like it's coming from a place. But like this particular person, like I know a lot of people just were not able to get through this guy. And, you know, as a result, it's life's been harder on him.
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Have you guys ever like try to sit him down friend to friend and level with him?
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If he hasn't taken a hint, he's not going to take a hint.
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Well, I mean... as I see it, you could break up with them or you can have some kind of like intervention in a way. It may ultimately lead to a breakup.
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But I think right now you guys are, you guys are like, you feel a little bit of this guilt. You feel a little bit of this loyalty to him, despite like, you're really not loving his company. You just like, you've, you've been able to empathize with the fact that like, clearly this guy is lacking some sort of social skills for whatever reason. And,
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That like, you know, yeah, you feel for the guy, right? But like, these are his problems. And, you know, clearly he's smart enough. He's a lawyer, right? Like he's not incapable of figuring this out. He just hasn't, you know, I don't know. Either someone hasn't gotten through to him. You know, I don't know about his childhood or what his high school life was like, or I don't know.
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But like, he's got a personality trait that rubs people the wrong way. And good on you guys that you've been able to stick it out longer than most people have. For whatever reason.
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He probably spoke maybe with a little more confidence. Maybe you were a little bit more quiet and demure at first. I don't know. But I'm sure as you your relationship, you know, as you guys got to go now that you found your voice. I'm assuming it felt like he was your equal. And as you continue to find your voice, you speak up more. You ask for more. You demand more.
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What you guys have going for you in terms of you ever go down like the quote unquote intervention route, so to speak, and maybe that's like a heavy word, but just kind of leveling with, you know, being direct, right? Is that you two are an engaged couple.
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And I don't expect someone like him to recognize that, but maybe even pointing it out where one, as an engaged couple, you guys need to prioritize each other, quality time. Yeah, you guys are still really young.
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So obviously a lot of engaged couples in your space are still going out with their friends and still doing their thing, but you kind of have an excuse in a way that sometimes you're not looking for the third wheel. You know, you're just looking to, like, be with each other. And anyone should kind of acknowledge or recognize that, right?
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So you kind of have a little bit of a built-in excuse there, too, when you don't want to do things. If I were you, I would try to talk to the guy.
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You know, and just level with him and just say, Matt, you know, we got to talk. And... You know, for one and like with like anything else, it's just like you get a lead with the love, you know, like there's no good way of starting this. But you're just like, hey, listen, like one, sometimes we feel bad that like we are unavailable when you want to hang out.
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For one, obviously, we're engaged and like we're just sometimes we just prefer to be with each other and not and no one else. It's not a you versus anyone else. It's just like we want to be alone. But listen, as your friends, we just wanted a point. I mean, it's a tough conversation. He's probably not going to receive it well. I don't know.
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But the hope is that you're able to say something where even if he doesn't take it all that well, that he wants to do something about it. I don't know. I've had to develop better skills in my life. There have been periods of my time where I've been so caught up in my own bullshit that That people didn't enjoy my company.
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I was only talking about me, you know, whether it was my heartbreak or this or that. And I think we all go through periods of being a little self-centered and kind of in our own shit sometimes. And sometimes we need a wake up call. Sometimes it needs a friend being like, you've been kind of a dick lately.
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His problem is that like, you've never, you've never known this guy to not be this kind of like obnoxious person. Yeah.
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And that is who? And when you say that, what do you mean? Who is he?
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And if he's still acting as if you're going to be the same person at 24 as you are at 29, he's in for a rude awakening. And it sounds like he has been in for a rude awakening. Partly of the problem maybe is some of these younger women he dated didn't know how to communicate to someone older.
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Yeah, I mean, he clearly is lacking validation in his life. That is for sure.
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I mean, listen, it's a tough situation you're in, but you kind of have nothing to lose because the way I see it is eventually, well, at this point, he's not changing, right? He's in his mid-20s. As long as you've known him, he's always been this way. So short of something happening, he's going to be like this. And you two seem like you're at the end of your rope.
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And despite feeling bad, eventually, you're just going to slowly distance yourself from him and break up with him, right? So the way you should look at it is like, you're going to have nothing to lose. And you can try to go in there with love. And maybe, Lauren, you can, from a woman's standpoint, try to play a similar role, like a sister, in a way that his girlfriend did.
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Be like, hey, listen, we loved Jenny. but you pushed her away, man. Like, you know, you just like, listen, you have to create space for other people. Like when was the last time you asked us about our days or our jobs? Like you are only talking about yourself.
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Yeah. You know, you, at some point you have to call them out. It's just like you, you push people away. And, I know that you like having connections with people. We enjoy you sometimes. But you sometimes make it difficult. And you often make it only about you. And whether it's hanging out with us or finding all your other friends or...
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your next girlfriend, we want you to show them all your great qualities. If you're going to have this intervention, you have to be prepared to come with some compliments and some things that are going to make him feel good about himself. And you're going to want him to try to say, yeah, I need to allow people to see these things in me rather than tell them and show them.
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And you could be like, we want to help you. We're friends of yours. We see the good in you. We can't, listen, sometimes we need you to understand that we only want to be with each other. And that includes not being with you or anyone else. And say, we feel like you've become our little third wheel. And in a way, we love you. I'd be careful calling him family.
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Someone who is obviously like not really open to communicating could be accused of being dismissive when they are trying to communicate to him. And their immature response was to find comfort in sanctuary outside of the relationship before they ended the relationship, which again is not okay. But like you would think he would be reflective of
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But yeah, but like we can't always be there for you and almost try to help them that way where you're coming from a place of love and then hit them with some hard truths. That's it. I mean, it's an uphill battle because you are just friends. You're not a girlfriend. You're not a family member. You're not even that close.
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You're just the closest people he has because you guys have the biggest hearts and you haven't had the hearts to break up with them yet.
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Yeah, you got to stop with the press passive aggressiveness and you got to stop with hoping he picks up on the jokes and you got to hope he picks up on the cues. He clearly doesn't. He needs like what he picked. He does. He is giving you an example of what he picks up on. And that is direct feedback from a girlfriend that says, hey, stop it. No one cares. Mm hmm. And at least there's hope.
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There's hope that he has, at least in those moments, it sounds like he has responded well. I'm guessing part of the reason they broke up is that she got tired of having to constantly remind him to be human. And it got exhausting, which is a shame. At some point, he needs to recognize the truth that he has a way of pushing people away.
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Not for to engage couples. Yeah. it'd be normal if you could find like four other bros who are also single and like, who also wanted to go out, but like he, he's obnoxious, you know, he needs to care more about other people. He needs to like, literally you, you should be like, we're here for you to practice on, but like, Seriously, he needs to never... Stop talking about yourself around us.
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Let people ask you. No one asks you about you because you never give them a chance. You just come in, guns a-blazing, assuming they want to know about mundane things in your life. Listen, we all have mundane things in our life. I'm not saying this to make you feel bad, but you... It's just exhausting.
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What you guys have going for you is I doubt you're the first people to bring this up, but maybe at some point it'll hit home. I don't know.
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on some of the choices he is making to try to avoid future frustrations, but he's not. I mean, you know what I'm saying? He's just not, he's not willing to go there. So based on what you're telling me, you're describing someone who seems pretty set in his ways, seems to be unwilling to look in the mirror and reflect and, on what role he played in the failure of his past relationships.
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Yeah. Well, that's a good answer. You just got to level with them, man. The worst thing that can happen, it's a really awkward, difficult conversation that ends with a lot of hostility from his end. But if you lead with love, if you come in knowing that you have to acknowledge his good qualities and find his good qualities. My one friend, I mentioned, he is a loyal guy.
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He would always like have like the back of his friends and things like that. He gives back in the world, but like he is insufferable to be around because it's always about his insecurities and it's always about like him. And it's always a weird thing because he's not the most cocky guy.
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He's actually a really insecure guy, which is weird because he's also like this, like if you saw a picture of him and you heard about his job, you'd be like, here's this like, you know, lawyer who, does very well for himself financially. And he's a great looking guy and he's just an absolute fucking mess as a human being, you know?
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Um, and cause he just put, he's just obnoxious cause he just is, it's always about him.
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No, I don't think it's out of bounds. I mean, I don't know how he's going to receive it. And I think you have to word it carefully. You know, like, hey, we think you need therapy. Do you guys go to therapy out of curiosity? Either of you? Or you have? I do, yeah.
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Well, I would start there. It's been successful. He would say, listen, that's the easiest way to get through to someone is to try to connect with them. And that is like, I hit a point in my life where I felt like I was stuck. Right. And ultimately I think that's where people go and get therapy because like they aren't able to resolve these issues on their own or by talking to friends or whatever.
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And they feel stuck and they're hoping like some third party professional person who can like just talk through some things and offer a new line of perspective, which is why like therapist or like say someone like myself, I'm not a therapist, but like I'm an objective person who won't project onto you guys. And that's what friends do. Friends just project.
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you know, friends like don't even realize when they're offering advice, they're just really offering the things that they would really want to hear from themselves. And, and since you're so connected, it's often, you know, it's, it's, it muddies the waters, right?
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So yeah, I think it's absolutely something friends could acknowledge, but it just has to come from a, I think you need, not from, I think you need therapy, but like, this is something that really, really helped me when I felt very stuck when I was a hard, having a hard time connecting with people or even connecting to Lauren or whatever, you can make up whatever you want.
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Sometimes we feel like you push us away. If we're being honest, one, we need you to understand that as an engaged couple, we're just not going to want to hang out with anyone but each other. And two, it does seem like sometimes that doesn't register with you. And I think that's something you need to think of. That's a problem.
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You need to recognize that as couples, they might want to spend their own time and they don't have space for you. But listen, we've seen you push other people away. And it's a real shame because you do have a lot of nice qualities, but you really make situations often about you. And I don't know where this comes from, but I found for myself that therapy really helped me unpack some stuff.
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Right now, my guess is he is scapegoating his ex-girlfriends and victimizing himself as the person who's been cheated on. And while he was wrong, and that's obviously, I feel really bad for him, and he doesn't deserve what happened to him, he can still look in the mirror and ask himself, What could I have done differently in that relationship?
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And it allowed me to get things off my chest That honestly, like I usually would do with my friends and I stopped doing that with people who I didn't need to, you know, do it with. And like, maybe that's something you could look into, you know, as long as you're coming from a place of love, you guys have nothing to lose. Right.
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Don't be mean spirited. Don't say things. Cause you know, you're, they're going to hurt his feelings. He might say things that hurt your feelings too. And that's where you have to like bite that tongue, anticipate it because you're going to, you're going to hurt his feelings. Right. And hurt people, hurt people.
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So like, you know, you have to be prepared for that and not lower yourself to his level and to say, listen, man, we're only saying this because, you know, we see the good in you and the potential. And like, we want you to be happy. And we, you were happier when you were with what's her name. And I don't know what happened, but. Do you remember all those times where she would call you out?
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We, we agreed with her, you know, and like you were more fun to hang out with. He's going to react a certain way. And that it's not really a you problem, you know, and the hope is he will reflect and His feelings will calm down and he'll have to look in the mirror and ask himself, do I want to be right or do I want to be happy?
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And happiness is listening to people who took the time to give him a little criticism that when he like thinks back about what that criticism was, it probably isn't the first time he heard it. They weren't mean spirited, even though it felt mean in the time. And that, I don't know, maybe I should look into get some therapy and figure this shit out because I'm tired of feeling lonely, you know?
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but it's it's really up to him but like yeah you have nothing to lose and like where you can feel better about this decision is most people could have done what you're doing right now and they just chose to quit on them you know that's true so yeah you're this is kind of where your guys are at um when's the bachelor party not till next spring we're not getting married till okay so you got some time yeah yeah
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Like you, I don't know. I would love, I wish I could figure out like a good opener for you guys. Yeah.
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yeah i guess that shouldn't be an inhibitor especially if that's the only context that we do see him yeah i would definitely like yeah invite him to an uh you know it doesn't have to be where you know just be like hey like it sounds like he'll be down to hang out with you guys so let's be like you know you're gonna catch him no matter what um but it's like hey man or maybe just wait till he asks you to hang out again
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Yeah. I would just say, hey, listen, there's something we want to talk to you about. We want you to work on something. And maybe I would use the ex-girlfriend as an opener in a way where it's just like, maybe ask him, do you think you sometimes push people away?
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What could have I controlled that would have improved that situation? And a lot of people have a hard time doing that because to do that, people feel like they're taking the blame for someone else's actions, right? I think a lot of people, I've mentioned this before, struggle with empathy versus an explanation.
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Well, don't be passive aggressive. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, there's a difference between like, Hey, you know, why don't you have friends? Uh, which feels a little judgy versus like, Hey, have you thought about the fact that like, you know, that sometimes you push people away and it's a very direct question. It's very specific. It's to the point.
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It's not like, it's not a trick question. It's just like, and you might be like, well, what do you mean? Just be like, well, you know, and don't be passive. You know, it's like you, you, you, you know, And if he, if he pretend he plays coy, I would just be like, well, you, you do sometimes.
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It just kind of fizzled out because he was really, he was never like that close of a friend. He was more of an acquaintance. It never got to that point where like, put it this way. If I were in your shoes with him, I would say I would have said something. yeah, it never got to that point, but I just, it fizzled out organically and we were never that close, you know?
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So like, but you know, if I thought you guys kind of found yourself in the situation because like you moved to a city where he was, you find out you, he moved, you moved there and you're like, sure, let's hang out. And then he just kind of like latched on where, where he didn't latch on to me, so to speak.
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But I definitely would have said, if I were, if I were in your boat, I would, I would say something. Yeah. And you'll feel good if you come from a place of love and you come from like you because you guys do. It's clear you want to help him out. You guys could just you could ghost him. That's an option, right? Like, you know that.
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You could find a different place to watch the games. It's a big enough city that if you really like wanted to avoid him, you could. And he would eventually get the hint and it would break your heart. But like, whatever. But you don't want to do that. And that's because you care about him in a weird, obnoxious way.
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you're right it is and hopefully he gets to a place where he can just like reflect and you could like a girlfriend you can be like i i you know i can remind you when you're doing it you know like it's like yeah you know he's gotta wanna yeah i i would be curious when you ask him if that what do you i'm curious what he has to say has he ever demonstrated any self-awareness at all
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People are afraid to understand why things happen out of fear of justifying what happened, right? That's the thing people struggle with the most. So he hasn't tried to understand the why. It's just been easier for him to victimize himself and make them the bad guy in his story rather than look at, could I have done things differently to avoid that outcome? Maybe the relationship would have ended.
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Well, that might be the harshest thing you guys have to point out, which is clearly you're smart, you're a lawyer, but sometimes you lack self-awareness in the form of the fact that you almost exclusively only talk about yourself. And that's not attractive to anyone. And it definitely isn't attractive to you because like you're, you're only talking about yourself.
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So like, God forbid, someone talks about what they got going on. You've never shown an interest. You don't even ask us about what, and ask them like, like, are there things about in your guys' life that he should be aware of that, you know, he has no idea.
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you're just yeah you're you know it's like listen we love you but like you're you're you're just you're very self-centered it'll blow his mind because he probably thinks no one cares about him or whatever you know but like yeah you you gotta work on that man you know yeah but yeah it's tough love and he needs this from somebody so you definitely should feel good about your willingness to you're right he does need it i'm not sure if anyone has ever done this to
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And if he gets really mad, let's assume he gets really mad, follow up too. Let's say you meet at the bar, he takes it really poorly. Let's say he even storms out and he's like, fuck you guys or whatever. I don't know. Let's say it's that crazy.
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I would text him something like, hey man, I know that was hard to hear, but truly we just think you have a lot of potential as a friend and we've seen you drive people away. And sometimes to be totally honest, as much as we care about you as a person, you push us away. We see your potential. So we've all been there before. We've all been in our own bullshit.
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But you have some things you need to work on. And we just wanted to bring it to your attention. And hopefully you're willing to want to work on it because we see your potential. If you can communicate that you believe in him as a person, I think it will go a long way because a lot of his insecurities come from a place of him thinking no one believes in him.
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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?
And the reason why he constantly talks about himself is because he's not getting that validation outside and anywhere else. His problem now is he doesn't realize he doesn't even give people a fucking chance to give a shit about him because he's like so quick to like, just throw it out there.
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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?
But like, and this is where the therapy can come in is at some point when he was a little kid, this all started happening. Maybe even high school. I don't know. Maybe like when everyone else hit a growth spurt, he didn't. And this is, I don't know. Maybe his dad was a dick to him. I don't fucking know.
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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?
Something happened way back when and it started this cycle and he's become this kind of insufferable person. Lead with love as much as you can. Love. Criticism. Love. Criticism.
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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?
yeah as long as you're not assholes about it because that's the thing most people get to the point where they're just like so fucking tired of it and then all of a sudden you're out at the bar and then someone snaps and you're like why are you such a fucking prick you know like why you know like you're just a fucking dick you know
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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?
I don't know. But maybe he made it very difficult to communicate with someone. And again, they made a poor choice themselves. They stepped out of the relationship. It hurt him. but he's not doing anything differently.
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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?
And then he storms off, you know, and then it just becomes like awkward. So this is you guys maturing. And this is you guys trying to do an adult thing and communicating. And honestly, it's good fucking practice. At some point, the two of you are going to be disconnected in your relationship.
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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?
And one of you is going to have to sit down with the other person and be like, ah, you know, like, and you're going to have to share some hard truths with each other or your children. You know, whenever that happens for you guys or a family member, like this won't be the last time.
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that you have to have a difficult conversation with a friend or a colleague or an acquaintance, knowing that they're not going to receive it that well. And like, this is good practice.
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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?
And you do have something to gain, right? Like awesome. Like worst case scenario, isn't the worst case. Worst case scenario is you're honest with them. He really pisses them off. He fires you guys as friend and you don't feel as bad as you would because like, Hey, you tried.
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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?
You'd be like, I try, you know, like we really try with them. We really came into this with the best intentions and we'd led with love. And yeah, we said some like harsh things, but like we try where other people just quit on them. We tried and he still pushed us away. And now I don't have to worry about uninviting him to my bachelor party.
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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?
And he's not going to show up because he's so mad at us for being honest that like, we don't have to worry about it. So like, then that will solve your, it'll solve your problem.
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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?
All right. Well, keep us posted. We would love to know how this, how this all goes down.
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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?
All right. All right. We appreciate it. Lead with love. You know, I would definitely think about what you can compliment them on because this is, this is definitely a person who, who, who for whatever reason is very much starving of people believing in him and, and, and validation and feeling good about himself. It's like no one like hung his like report card on the fridge, you know?
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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?
Um, and that's why he needs to like amplify the law firm he works at or whatever, you know, it's, it's coming from, it's coming from a place of insecurity. All right.
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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?
He's just rinse and repeat, breaks up with that one, finds a new younger girlfriend, dates them for a while, enjoys the, I'm guessing the honeymoon phase of dating someone younger because like he gets his way a lot. They're very in awe of him. He feels important. He feels validated, you know, et cetera, et cetera. They find their voice. They speak up. He's just like, I'm an old dog.
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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?
No new tricks for me. It's a cycle that keeps repeating. The only thing that's different about your relationship is that you seem to be willing to address this head on without, you know, stepping outside the relationship before you do so.
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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?
Okay. So you guys are, as far as you know, kind of broken up. You live together, but you guys, at a minimum, acknowledge that there's a problem for you and he didn't do enough to fight for the relationship, basically.
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You know, obviously you called in with the question of, am I making the right choice? Let me ask you this. Like if he were here, right? Like what's his version? What's his version of the story? Like, what would he say to me? Do you think that would change your mind or, or at least help me or the audience empathize with his plight more? What do you, what do you think that would be?
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When he said, I don't know why I am the way I am type of thing. But like, if I could, I would. What does he mean by that?
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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?
Yeah. I mean, listen, I don't think I'm, I'm not the most affectionate guy, you know, like physical touch is not on the top of my love language. Right. It's on the top of my wife's then. Yeah. To that, to your point, you know, I have to like remind myself that like, I really need to come home and embrace my wife or do something. And I could always be better. Right.
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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?
But like when my wife brings it up to me, I don't play victim. I'm always like, yes. And I either try to do the thing she's asking. And we have a playful banter, sure, but it's never a fight. That's for sure. It's one thing for a love language not to be a strength of mine. It's another thing to be so defensive of that fact.
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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?
then instead of acknowledging I'm not meeting my partner's needs, I argue with them and try to justify why I haven't done that, as opposed to just shutting up and doing it. And I think that comes with maturity, which is disappointing for him, because if you told me your boyfriend was 28, I would maybe just think that he's just a little stubborn and a little immature.
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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?
I think it's a bit of a dance, right? And I don't know your exact dynamic. But for starters, for one, when you do bring it up, it shouldn't come with resistance from him. It shouldn't come with like huffs and puffs.
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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?
and complaints and you know what i'm saying where you really feel like it's one thing to have to ask you'd prefer not to ask it makes it really attractive when he like complains about you asking and and find and makes it seem inconvenient as opposed to like he needs to treat it as a like he appreciates you taking the time to remind him kind of thing
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
That'd be my dream for you. Again, like someone who is a little bit more extroverted than you certainly like isn't so extroverted that like you can't you can't be with someone who's super extroverted. That would never work. But there's a lot of people out there who are a little bit of both, even though if they lean introverted, they have an extroverted side.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
You might be more on the introverted side. What was the last date you had?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Well, I would say sporting events, I would say events where you're both sitting, harder to do. It's a long commitment and you're sitting next to each other. You're already someone who's not
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
necessarily good with the gift of gab and just like long conversations so if you take someone to a sporting event that you have very little rapport with you're sitting next to someone and unless they're just like the biggest fucking soccer biggest fucking fans of what are the thing that you brought them to it's kind of your responsibility to entertain them and so what ends up happening is
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is there all these awkward pauses and moments of silence, and then that person feels kind of like, oh, we didn't really have any chemistry. I mean, it's a harder environment for you to be dynamic in, and it's a harder environment for two people to have, you know, because it's like, well, we're here for three hours. I mean, most sporting events are what, two, three hours long?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
And again, unless you're both really into the game, you're kind of like casually watching the game while casually trying to have a conversation. it opens up the possibility for a lot of awkward moments. I, for you, even that's why I did, I asked for you always go on dinner dates, even for a first date with someone you haven't talked too much, a whole meal of food.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
You know, again, like that's potentially a long conversation. Try to keep it simpler. You know, coffee dates. I love the bowling. I love the mini golf. I love those things. Even more mini golf because it's like, you know, it's always active. You can like joke around. You can have fun. You can be a little competitive. You can try to be goofy.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
You know, you can have a few chats here or there, but there's always something to do. You can always, you know, there's always that break where you bowl and she bowls, you know, or whatever. Or mini golf. So I would, I would try to lean more activities on dates. Yeah.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Let me ask you this. When you called in, was there one or two things you were like, man, I really hope Nick can answer this, or I really hope Nick could steer me in this direction? I only ask that because it's just like, I don't have any like, oh, you do these five things type of things. I sincerely want to point you in the right direction, but I'm not sure where to start with you.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
You definitely do. Let me ask you this. The women you're saying yes to, what are you more drawn to? Is it the strong physical attraction and you have some things in common that you like? Or is it more like, oh, she seems fun and we have some things in common and she seems kind of cute? What are you more drawn to?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
So hear me out. I don't think you should start going out on dates with a bunch of people you find unattractive. I'm not saying that. But I do think you should challenge yourself to maybe be a little bit more open-minded when it comes to your date's physical appearances. For one, you just need the practice. You know what I'm saying?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
And I think you need, and again, you also have to go into this with the right mindset, right? because I want you to still be interested. I want you to still be respectful, obviously. I still want you to be like, you know, you have to show that you care, right?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Like on any date, if you could just walk into a date, kind of being confident in who you are, whatever you bring to the table, like I'm, you know, I'm, How tall are you? 5'11". 5'11". What a great height, you know? So you got no height problems, you know? Like you're 5'11". You seem like a handsome guy. You got a good head of hair. Like, you know, like you could be doing much worse for yourself.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
So I want you to show up to these dates being like, I'm a 5'11 guy with a good head of hair. And like, you know, I'm whatever. And I hope this person is interested in getting to know me. And then you just kind of just not think about what to say. You just ask questions. And then you just kind of try to have some fun. I'm getting the sense that maybe, you know, also you're a guy.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
So but you you land on someone you find is hot and then you're like really excited that someone's hot. And then you talk to them on the apps and you finally get, you know, them to go on a date with you. But you're you're too focused on hoping that this pretty person likes you.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Yeah. And the stakes are too high, you know? And again, I mean, you're a handsome guy, but as you've also pointed out, you're an awkward kind of inexperienced guy. And so you need more experience to kind of talk.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
And I'll be honest, like you might go on these dates and I, you know, again, I'm not saying you should go on dates with a bunch of people you find unattractive, but I think you should be a little more open-minded to meeting women, meeting people, be genuinely interested in getting to know these women. And be open to being surprised how you might feel about them. You know what I'm saying?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
And that might make you feel a little bit more confident, right? Because you're going into these dates less pressure, you know, because you're like, I don't know, I'm going out with this girl. You know, I don't know how I think of... It's, it's funny because like, I'm curious here. I'm curious. Sarah is in there.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Okay. So just figuring out dating, for example, like, you know, friend-wise, like, are you going out much with friends or is even your friend group pretty small?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
You can't see her most like a lot of women you see going out with men that they've, they're like, they're just like, not as, they're not as pretty as they are. What are women looking for when they do that?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Totally. I want you to have the practice to hang out with women that you're not trying to have sex with or trying to lose your virginity with. And you're not worried if they like you. And I want you to practice being yourself around them. I don't want your goal to be getting a second date or getting a kiss or having sex. I want you to go on these dates.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
And your goal is to make sure that the two of you have the best possible time. That's it. It's fun. I want, you know, it's like, it's, I want you to go on a date and be like, my job is to make sure me and this date and this girl, I don't even know her. I hope to get to know her.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
I hope we have fun and you want to get to know them, but like, you just want to have some fun and you want to be a little adventurous. And like, I think a lot of guys in your shoes struggle with that balance between being a gentleman and being polite. and taking the lead.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
So being a gentleman and being polite, opening the door, paying for their meal, just being present, being courteous, being a gentleman, not making weird...
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jokes about their bodies and things like that you know not being crude that's being a gentleman taking the lead is hey i know a great place we can go and have fun this is where we should go on a date not will you go like i think we should go here what do you think we should do this later you know it's just being more assertive and being confident so to do that think of things that you think are fun and then say hey i know this really fun place we should go
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Let's go. You have to be confident what you're doing in order to be assertive, right? Because if you don't believe in what you're saying, you're not going to want to assert that onto someone else.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
So yeah, try to open up your mind to let's go out with more women that honestly, I think your goal should be, I want to meet more women. I want to be curious about the women I'm meeting. I want to have fun with these women. I want to be open-minded.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
and yeah and like who get you like this you're you're a guy who's been very honest about like you're not you're not getting a lot of kisses you're not having any you have nothing to lose here that's true so in terms of like being willing to kiss someone for who gives a shit you know kiss anyone you you get what i'm saying i've actually gotten the first one out of the way it it's kind of it's kind of a weird story how it happened but how did it happen out of the way how did it happen so um
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I actually love that. It's great. I mean, honestly, part of that is, is like, you have to take the pressure off yourself. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm sure people have told you, have you seen it? The 40 year old version?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
I don't need to know your exact location or your address or anything. Are you living in a big city, small town? Where are you residing these days?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Well, good. I mean, I'm glad you feel that way, but like, there's a lot, there's a lot of good things to learn from that. You know what I'm saying? Like you kind of almost remind me of the character. Like you're a handsome guy, Steve Carell's handsome guy, you know, nice, uh, It's like, I don't know you.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you're not some weird serial killer. Because you seem like a normal, nice, well-rounded guy that you have a lot of the qualities. So many women who call in are like, I wish I could find a guy who would Just be normal and nice, you know?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
And you seem normal and nice, you have a hard time showing that on dates because you get introverted, you get a little awkward, you start second-guessing yourself. Most women out there want an assertive, confident guy who can make them laugh and make them feel safe.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
What they don't want, is what I'm guessing you do sometimes, is they feel like they don't want to have to emotionally take care of a man, especially on their first couple dates. Maybe after they fall in love, have a kid or two, get married, fine, they'll be your therapist. But they want a guy who kind of takes care of himself and is confident in what they're doing.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Yeah, I'm sure you do. Yeah. And part of that is because you haven't struck that balance, again, between being a gentleman and taking the lead. You're not asserting yourself. Yeah, all women want to feel safe. They don't want a guy who's constantly obsessed with sex. But I do think they want to feel pursued. I want you to get more practice.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
I want you to lean, your friend that's a girl that you can open up to about this who already set you up the first kiss. I mean, if I were you and even with her fiance, lean on them. Guys, I'm struggling with this. I want to get more confident. I want to just be better on dates. I want to get more practice. You can get better at this. I know you can. It's just like you need some help.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
You know what I'm saying? You need some mentors and friends who are a little better at this than you are to show you the ropes and take you out there and just kind of have some fun and loosen you up and just get some reps. Right now, you got no one kind of helping you out.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
You're going on infrequent dates, and then when you go on them, the stakes are so goddamn high, you don't even know what to do. Dates are already hard enough, even if you're good at it. Chances are, if you go on a date once every three months, they're not gonna go the way you want. And so I just want you to get more reps. I also want you to focus on your career right now.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Honestly, I know you're 31. I know you're still a virgin. I know you're tired of it, but you're only 31. And you do have the benefit of being a man and you don't even want to have kids. So you have no biological clock to worry about. literally, you know, and you're really young. I want you to like, especially for a man, you're incredibly young.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
So more than anything, I want you to try to take the pressure off yourself. Stop telling yourself I'm 31. I haven't had sex yet. Oh, I haven't. Who gives a fuck? I don't care. It really doesn't matter. No one gives a shit about your roster anymore. Certainly not people you should be hanging out with. You know what I'm saying? Like 18-year-old guys did back in the day, but no one cares.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Had you slept with 50 women at this point or not, no one really cares, right? You might be a little bit better at sex, but Other than that, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you don't, where do you, do you show up anywhere and be like, how many people have you had sex with? You know what I'm saying? Like, has it gotten you into any, no one cares, right? So stop judging yourself.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Stop putting pressure on yourself. You have a long life ahead of you. And if you work on this in the short run, you know, again, especially as a guy who has no interest in having kids, You have, fuck, you have so many years in front of you. You know what I'm saying? To like have as much sex or as little sex or as much girlfriends as you could possibly want. You know what I'm saying?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Like you're only, you're 18, you're only 13 years into your adult life. So honestly, your track record is not that bad. And let's assume you live to your 85. Right. You know, and so you have 50 some left years of dating left. You're good to go. You know what I'm saying? You've only wasted 13.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
I'm just trying to offer some perspective because so much of is in your head and the pressure you put on yourself. And like, I want you to go in and have a kiss and just you kiss, you know.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Yeah. And you can, you just have to practice. And I think having and leaning on your friends, your girlfriend, your friend, that's a girl who, you know, and just be vulnerable with her. I need, I need your help, you know? And like, I think it's really important for people who are looking to make friends for people who are looking to meet people. To express that with their circle of influence.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
So whenever it makes sense to let people know that you're looking to get more out there, you're looking to be more active, you have your tennis club, that's great. Try to find other things that are like more co-ed and that maybe have more people your age. Because I'm glad you like to play, you know, and if you love to play tennis because you like the sport and it helps you relax, great.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Keep doing that. You were having you do stuff because we want you to meet people. This is not about whether you play tennis or badminton or, or knit, you know, we're just trying to get you into a social setting where people are there to also meet other people. Co-ed leagues, especially if you like the fact that you're into sports is great.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Like there's a lot of co-ed soccer leagues, volleyball leagues, things like that. That would go a long way. And I think the more you immerse yourself into these social settings and, you know, challenge your introverted self, you know, once or twice a week to go out to these events or social groups and then with your friends also just say, hey, I want to get out more.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
I want to practice, you know, I want to, you know, meet more people. And then on the dating apps, be more open to, you know, for the ladies reaching out to you, be willing to talk to them. You know, you're, you don't know where it's going to go. Maybe you will just make more friends. You know what I'm saying?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Like a lot of these ladies, you could just end up being friends with, be open to that, you know, be open to meeting as many people as possible. Because I think that will really help you, you know, in terms of social settings and just, you know, talking to people because a date doesn't have to be any different than a coffee with a friend. or watching a game with a friend.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
No, very cool. So you can kind of do anything, you know. What do you think you want to do next?
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It's just the only difference is the stakes and the pressure you put on it.
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I really think that, honestly, that's a thing. How many people can you meet on your couch?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
And I say that as someone who has a strong introverted side. You got to get out. Getting out, being active, interacting with people is the only way to really practice this stuff. Your approach has been, well, I'm not really... I'm kind of introverted. I feel a little awkward talking to women. I don't have a bunch of practice, but I don't really like going out. So I'm not really going to go out.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
But every once in a while, I'll try to go on a date. And when I do, I hope I'm going to just be this person I've never been before. You know, like... How do you do that? It's impossible.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
I mean, yeah, I mean, I get what you're saying, but like there is a chance because I think you're more than eligible bachelor. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just, yeah, you're probably, yeah, you're not getting out enough and not getting enough of practice. But to use your analogy, like the one I used before earlier, it's just like,
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Who would, Nikki Glaser, you know, friend of show, just hosted the Golden Globes. She crushed it. This is years of her doing roasts and standup and I've been on her shows. Like I couldn't, if they would have hired me to do the Golden Globes, like two weeks ago, I would not have been able to show up and did what Nikki Glaser just did. You know what I'm saying?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Years of experience and practice and crushing it and doing all these amazing things. I couldn't have done what she did. Well, I couldn't have done what she did because she's been practicing and cutting her teeth and getting the reps in. And now she walked out on that stage and acted like it was just another day because she's made her career practicing this and getting good at it.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Okay, well, so you're open-ended at this point.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
You know, like, and dating's no different, man. You know, go to the gym. The first day you go to the gym, are you crushing it? No, you're just, you lift, you don't work out for like six months. And you squat without weights, you can't walk the next day. You know, your body's like, what the fuck is going on? What are we doing here? You know what I'm saying? You gotta show up every day.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
You gotta get better at it. You gotta practice it. And dating and communicating and interacting with people is no different. Those are all skills that you have been avoiding working on, you know? And then you go on dates and then you beat yourself up emotionally and make yourself feel bad like no one likes me. Meanwhile, like in between your dates, you're just hanging out by yourself.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
For you, I would love for you to try to focus on friendships right now. It's really easier to meet people with the opposite sex when you're around people and groups of people. I think you've kind of described this general anxiousness, general awkwardness in social settings, and honestly, just going out and practicing with friends is a low-stakes way of just getting comfortable with that.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
We love people who can hang out on their own. There's a lot of people we talk to who can't do that, and they end up just investing their energy on a bunch of meaningless people. That's a great skill that you have. You'll hang on to that for the rest of your life. But now you have to learn how to interact with other people and get out there.
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Okay. All right. So you want to have a girlfriend and eventually you hope that leads to maybe just losing your V card, so to speak.
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And even though you're most comfortable being alone, you have to challenge yourself to get out there. And then eventually, I think you'll start enjoying going out more when you start having more success at it.
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Yeah, I'm sure they did. Yeah. So honestly, I think you need to look at this as a more of a long-term plan. Take sex off the table in your head and even like take getting a girlfriend off the table. I want you to focus on the next couple years or whatever. Who knows? I mean, I don't know. Maybe tomorrow you might meet the level of your life.
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But the reason I want you to take a long-term approach is because it's so easy to get yourself discouraged and to beat yourself up. And this shit takes time. You are very young, but you have also had 31 years of this behavior. You're very comfortable with how you do things right now. And it's going to take you some time to reprogram yourself. And it's going to take time.
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So you have to be willing to take it easy, get out there, try it out. It's going to feel uncomfortable. Get back out there. Go on a date. Have it not go the way you want. Whatever. Practice some more. But you're like, whatever. This is about meeting people. This is about getting better at this skill. Here's what you're doing now. Using the Nikki Glaser analogy. You're just like, oh, fuck.
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I just got hired. I guess I better fucking crush it. And then you go on and you don't crush it. Of course you wouldn't crush it. You have no practice, you know? And so I want you to like, think of like you are, instead of, this is about dating, this is like you getting into stand-up comedy. And at first, you're just gonna tell a couple friends a couple jokes, you know what I'm saying?
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And then maybe you will perform in front of a small room and then maybe this, you know what I'm saying? Like the goal is hosting the Golden Globes, you know what I'm saying? That's gonna take some time. And that goal is like having sex with your girlfriend. I know I'm being a little ridiculous right now, but I do think you need to take it easy on yourself, work into this.
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If you plan a date and all of a sudden you're wondering if this isn't going to be it, you're going to fail. It's just too much stakes. It's too much pressure. I want you to go in and be like, you know what? I want to have fun today. I want to make sure this girl has a really good time. And I don't, honestly, I don't, second date, I don't know. I don't care. It's not my job right now.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
My job is to make sure her and I have a really good time and I'm just not gonna give a fuck other than making sure she has a good time. And if you focus on that, I think you'll have more success.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Yeah, you do. But you're only 31. I didn't meet my wife until I was 40. You have a long life ahead of you. Except that this has been 31 years and you have a lot to practice and you're not going to go from zero to 100. But don't beat yourself up and acting like you have to get to the finish line next week.
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33 is still really young, but you could have two years of better experience if you make a different approach. Or you can keep doing what you're doing, sitting in your apartment most of the time, and five times a year go on a date with absolutely no practice, and they'll all go the same. So get yourself out there, challenge yourself to do that.
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Cause like, you know, kind of what you're describing is just like a lack of experience, not only just with dating, but just kind of going out there and socializing a little bit. Would you say that's accurate?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Talk to your friends, ask for their advice, ask for their encouragement, ask for ideas. For you, this is all about getting out of your comfort zone, getting out of your house on a regular basis and practicing interacting with people.
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All right. Well, keep us posted, man. I'd love to know how this goes over the years, but take your time, man.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Oh, now you have feelings like magically after the kiss, you develop these feelings you never thought you had.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Well, all right. Well, set the stage for me. All right. So like, Eric, it's 6 p.m. New Year's Eve night. What are we doing? Like, how did this all unfold?
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Are these guy friends or are these girl and guy friends?
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Wait, wait. So you're saying you suspected something might happen just because it was other couples?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Well, what made you, well, what's the history of this friendship? How long have you known this guy?
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All right. I'd like for you to try to work on changing that. Are there any like extracurricular, like, you know, after hour stuff, whether it's, you know, groups? I don't know. What are your hobbies? What are you into? Like, what do you like to do for fun?
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Um, and till the other night, there's no like flirty, like up until the other night, what was the closest you guys ever got to it being anything other than friends?
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And from your point of view, why were you just being like, no, we're just friends? Like, what was your honest feelings towards him as a friend? Or was it someone like you thought was always kind of cute?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
So anyways, you suspected maybe something would happen. You guys have this like group hang, all couples and then you guys. And then what happens?
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What was that like? I mean, there's so many, like the car ride, were you guys talking, making out? Like, was it just like, you know what I'm saying? The time between you left the house and got into, put the P and the V, were you guys not talking? Were you drunk? Like there were so, you know what I'm saying? There were so many moments. You were drunk, okay.
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Be like, you can fuck me once. You know, I'm just saying as a guy, all I'm hearing is, do I get to have sex with you tonight?
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or not yes or no you know what I'm saying like the whole like he's like I don't know like that's tomorrow I don't know like more than once commitment I don't know are we having sex tonight you know it's just like yeah it's kind of a hilarious so it might have been but that was what ended up happening So where are we now? Where are we now? Yeah.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Okay. Who are you meeting in your men's tennis league? I love that. That's great.
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You have to decide. You have to commit to this decision. So if you really think there is something there with this guy, you have to commit to that mindset. And if you're going to commit to that mindset, that means you have to stop being homies and friends and platonic buddies. And you have to make him want you and miss you and realize... Cause like, you know what I'm saying?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Okay. And how much dating, like what does your dating life look like these days?
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This was all very predictable. And by predictable, I mean like up to this point, right? Like the fact that he was about to have sex with you and you basically gave him a hall pass, you know, to like have some fun sex on New Year's Eve. And like the way you sold it to him is like, we can do this once. And if we do this once there won't, you know, it won't get weird. There'll be no feelings.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
He did his whole, like, are you sure we should do this? Was like, you know, if a guy saying that as short of him being obsessed with you and in love with you, Which maybe is deep down, but right now he just thinks you're his friend. He's just saying that because he's just like, he wants to have sex with you and not have you call him an asshole afterwards.
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And so, yeah, now that you were like, hey, I think there's something there, you know, you gave him something for free. And how was the sex, by the way?
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Well, you know, you never know. I mean, depending on, I don't know what they're, you know, 50 or 60 year olds might not be interested in new friends, but you never, I will say in my adult life, like when you're younger, you're a little bit more choosy on friends. You're just like looking for people who very much like do the same things you do or very similar age as a,
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Oh my God. That was like the worst thing he could have said to you.
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Yeah. Yeah. That shouldn't annoy you. You should be mad. Do you have the right to be mad about that? Yeah, I mean, you have to commit and you have to, you know, and so like, yeah, the reason why it's predictable is because he got to have sex with you.
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And I don't know, just as a guy, there is something about like, if a guy wants to have sex with a woman, so he obviously wanted to have sex with you because he did. There's always like, what is that going to be like, you know, that first time, you know, and now he knows and now he has that opportunity. And so like, that's fine. I'm not saying you did anything wrong.
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but now you're pitching him like responsibility and expectations and rules, so to speak. You know what I'm saying? Like ultimately the way that's what, that's kind of what he's here. And like, I don't think he's even like conscious, like, you know what I'm saying? Subconsciously he's like, all right, she's in my life all the time. I see her multiple days a week. She's my friend.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
I mean, I'm so comfortable around her. I mean, she's my friend. I mean, like I could ask her advice. I could ask her about this. If I want to have lunch with her, she's definitely a phone call away. Now we had sex. Like I know what that's like with her. And so his subconscious brain just doesn't understand why he needs to like.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Yeah. You know, because different almost is like, it's like his man brain is thinking in terms of like, what is he going to have to give up to have this?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
We have a couple options in a perfect world. and I don't know how you do this, but in a perfect world, you're really confident in your sex and you're confident that he really likes the sex that you give him. And in a perfect world, there's a couple more times where you guys get, you give in and you guys have some sex.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Well, you've already had the sex, you know?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
That's great because he needs to want to have sex with you again. That really helps. And since Harvey had a good time, he'll want to have sex with you again. So you could have sex again. You definitely don't have to. But what I want to get him is emotionally really invest in this. A, I want him to start enjoying having sex with you, which hopefully he does already.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
The having more sex part isn't that important. But eventually you need to just like cut it off. I only might say that because it might be a little bit abrupt now. I almost like in a way, I don't know if you can handle it, but like it's some Jedi shit.
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Like for a period of time, I almost want you to like, and you would never have guessed I would have said this because I'm really thinking this out loud. You almost have to like kind of like navigate into a situation ship. And then you have to have the strength and the guts to like shut that shit down.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
You kind of do what Natalie now famously did with me that we always talk about where it's just like for a while. Yeah. It was kind of casual as whatever. I was just like, you know, but I just was like, she kept showing up. And every time she was there, I was like, I just fucking miss this chick. And I miss this, you know, and it was just like, and finally when she was like, fuck you, I'm gone.
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In my adult life, I've made friends that, you know, I never would have imagined I made friends with, whether it's a drastic age difference, just a very different, you know, general interest. But, like, you might be surprised. I think in general, like, I think... opening up friendships is just a great way to practice social skills, right?
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I was like, I'm obsessed with you and I need you. And in my, in my life and I miss you and I don't, and I haven't felt, I haven't missed someone like this and I don't know how long. Yeah. But really, I mean, you are to be all jokes aside, you already have the rapport. You've already had sex. He is your friend. You know, he's been in your life for a long time.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
It should feel abrupt to him for you to, you know, change things. Part of the reason why you have more sex and turn into a situation ship is because if you abruptly end things now, he might get a little mad at you.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
And in a weird way, he might feel justified for being mad at you because, like, technically you did give him this super weird boundary, which is like, you can fuck me one night and nothing will mean anything. But after that, it all counts. I'm just giving you a hard time.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
I mean, we've all done that shit. I'm laughing with you. We've all done that. But I think it's important for us to acknowledge the crazy shit we say in the moment. So as we get older, we can be a little more honest with ourselves about the ways in which we lie to ourselves and to the people that we're developing these connections with, because you do.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Eventually, you just kind of have to be real with yourself. You have to be real with the people you're with, and you have to show them that you're serious about yourself. I mean, that's what it comes down to. It wasn't like I was taking Natalie for granted deliberately. I mean, I certainly was. But yeah, I really thought I was being thoughtful and I thought I was being courteous.
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But at the end of the day, she finally was like, this is beneath me. And her action showed me that she was tired of it. And I had to make a choice. So for you, ultimately, if you don't want to be that gamey about it, because honestly, that's probably just a mess.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Yeah. So you're going to have to figure out like what your comfort level of your current situation is and how dependent he is on you to a certain extent. You know, like how much are you in his life right now?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
He has to let himself go there. I mean, if I'm keeping it super real with you and you know, you're a beautiful person, you know, like it just comes down to like how much did he really like having sex with you?
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Because you're kind of describing, fuck, I go on these dates. I mean, shit, man, if I were, I mean, anyone, anyone who doesn't like have a lot of practice, right? Like if you put yourself into a high stakes environment with very little practice, what are the chances you're going to be your best self, you know? Like, Most people like are super afraid of like public speaking, right?
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So yeah. And I just think that if, if he really liked it a lot, then I'm guessing he's going to want to do it again. Yeah.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Yeah. Right now, I'd just be chill. I wouldn't bring it up again. Whatever you do, don't be passive aggressive.
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That is the worst. I don't think any guy likes that ever.
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Just be friends for now. But on your weekend, you go out. Hopefully, you guys get drunk and have sex again. That's my wish.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Interesting. Interesting. Yeah. Only because I could see him getting in his head about having sex with you on your birthday. Do you already have plans to hang out on your birthday?
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Interesting. Would it be weird for you to tell him to take you to dinner?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Okay. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Go have fun on your birthday. Be open to having sex with him again, I guess.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Well, I definitely say that with a huge caveat or a great assault, so to speak, because you are way more at risk of being emotionally fucked up than he is, just generally speaking.
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Okay. I just think, honestly, most people, when they like someone and they want to date someone, they will think of a million excuses and reasons to make it work.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Um, kind of, but it's just to summarize, we are assuming this is a man that like you guys have this relationship with and, and, and it's been friends for whatever reason you guys have avoided any kind of physical boundaries. And like the other night you guys went past that and he said some things to you that felt normal, felt right.
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Things like, I don't know, like you're a big part of my life physically, you know, you guys seem like you're compatible. He's not even your physical type. Do you assume, do you think he's your, his physical type?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Yeah. And so, yeah, there seems to be like a match there. So I think a lot of men in his positions, yes, will like, there's no real incentive for him to, because he's so comfortable with the situation he has with you. He knows what it is. You know, he's got this emotional support system. Like, in a lot of ways, you are his girlfriend already. You know what I'm saying?
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Like, you feel that emotional responsibility that often, that a girl, like, you know, if this guy got a girlfriend tomorrow, I can promise you, your relationship would change. She would not be okay with your guys' dynamic, regardless of the sex. Would that be fair to say that, like, chances are you guys were a little bit too close to
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Then someone was like, oh shit, man, I want you to go give this speech in front of this room of 400 people. And you're like, great. You know, I imagine you'd want to, you know, you have to practice to do well. If you just were like, all right, well, tell me when. And you went and showed up, but you had no practice public speaking.
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Yeah. Yeah. I'm talking about like someone who's like, Hey, I might marry this guy. And she like tries to like merge their lives. I'm guessing you're not.
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But yeah, so you're playing this role for him, right? And so it's just about trying to almost like change his brain psychology a little bit, right? To do that, you have to withhold some of the things that you're giving him, right? So the more sex part, it's mostly a joke.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
I'm just more like, it's more like you could probably have sex with him a few more times and it won't change anything is my guess. And then maybe, you know, he becomes more comfortable and he really likes having sex with you. I don't know. you almost have to try to like slow play a relationship with him. And that doesn't make him feel like you're adding a lot of pressure or responsibility.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
out of nowhere you're like you know what what are we doing here this is crazy you know like and like if the next time you have sex you don't say like if you were to hook up over your birthday you don't say anything okay you know let it happen you just let it happen you try to do the thing that i i tell no one to do you know what i'm saying but you're only doing it because you you're you're playing chess here you're not playing checkers you're thinking two steps ahead yeah
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
And so, but keep in mind, this comes with a huge risk. The risk is we could be wrong about him. He goes and gets his back surgery. He never comes around and you've fallen madly in love with this guy and you never get what you want. That is definitely possible. So I just want to say that and acknowledge that like,
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what i'm telling you that's already the situation i'm in so like it's not very different okay well it could be more it will like it will be more i mean it will be more right you're not you know this is yeah yeah so just i want you to just acknowledge that and just be mindful of that that like have have your fun play your games but like there are consequences you know you have to be
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
I mean, I guess you just cross your fingers and hope you don't get nervous. Chances are you're going to get nervous and it's going to, you're going to, you know, I know I would, you know what I'm saying? So you really just kind of have to practice this stuff.
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you know, headstrong here and mindful. You really have to be honest with yourself while doing this. And at any point where you're like, this is too much for me, then you can't, you know what I'm saying? Because a lot of it has to do with the energy you bring around him. And if your energy changes, he'll notice it.
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you know, if you start acting upset with his reactions, you know, that's another thing that you, another thing you have to be mindful of that, you know, I think will catch you off guard. Right. Up until this point before, I'm guessing this guy kind of brought up past girlfriends, could have said something.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
And if either gave you the ick or you find it to be slightly annoying, you'd either just ignore it or just like, whatever. I don't know. You just, As a guy.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Now when he says that shit, you're going to analyze it. Some of it you're going to take personally. The whole like, you know, I don't want to let you down. You do have the right to be mad. But like, you know what I'm saying? Like it's shit like that.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
You're going to notice more now that you like him and that you, you know, you're just going to notice things he does more and you're going to have more of opinion about it. And the more you share or act that, you know, and the more you change the dynamic that way, that's what you don't want.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Save that for once he is your boyfriend, then you can be the girlfriend who nags him and gets on his case and does whatever a loving partner does. But you get what I'm saying though, right? You don't want to be like, well, why'd you say that? Why'd you do that? Or you kind of give him the cold shoulder and being passive aggressive and ignore him because he said something that annoyed you.
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It's just like, you don't want to do that. You have to be able to be the chill, cool friend that you have been to this guy. And that is more important than anything else. More important than the sex.
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you know, and I think challenging yourself to, to do that, you know, the, the hard part is, is like kind of getting over that hump of not giving a shit about the awkwardness or, you know, how, what people might think about you and things like that, you know, and, and getting into your head and ruminating all your worst fears of what could happen.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Yeah. I mean, honestly, if you want to go from joking to sound advice, whether it's sex or anything else, you're finding moments where you connect with this guy that doesn't make it feel like it's getting weird for him.
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And you want to just find different ways that you guys can connect, whether it's sex or hanging out or spending quality time together, being there for him in a way that like, And I want him to get real comfortable and really used to it. And then I want you to pull it out of the rug and just say, like, I can't do this anymore.
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And then when you do that, he's going to say no, most likely, almost certainly. He's going to tell you, like, I can't, I can't do this. Why are we doing it? Why do I got to ruin it? That's a good thing, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then you can either call back and I can update you or you can, like, read my book. But when you do that, then you really need to be chill.
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And you just say, hey, listen, this is how I feel. And I know we could be great. And if you don't feel that way, I understand. But we can't keep doing this. And you can't call me anymore.
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And you just remain calm as fuck. And then you have to enforce that boundary. And you have to not take his calls. And you have to start going on dates with other men. And also, while you do this, make sure you're dating aggressively.
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That's all. That's all you have to do. Okay.
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Just like, yeah, do not know. Don't yeah. It's, there's a huge difference between not hiding it and then flaunting it. Cause that'll just annoy him.
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I mean, honestly, you could do it now. I mean, you really could. You have a rapport with this guy. He did say that you're a big part of my life.
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I don't know if I could lose you, you know, but right now, and that's why I was kind of joking that I almost want you to get into a situationship because so much of a situationship is I've talked to all, you know, it's mostly women, but whether it's a guy or girl, it's
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the person who's on the hopeful part, as I say, of a situationship, they'll call up and be like, well, we do all these boyfriend and girlfriend things. Why don't they want to be my boyfriend or girlfriend? You know what I'm saying? And they, I want you to do, I want you to start doing all those boyfriend and girlfriend things with this guy and connect with him in these ways.
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And it's like, it's just about building that rapport because right now it sounds like,
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up until new year's eve you really weren't just friends you weren't doing a lot of boyfriend girlfriend things i want you to do slightly more boyfriend and girlfriend things you know slightly more okay so it's like yeah like we would go we would do things one-on-one a lot we would like how often you get lunch or dinner i don't know we'd probably like once a week okay yeah keep doing that but it was always like casual you know like it was never like yeah that's fine oh trust me people situationships it's always casual
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It's just about quality time. It's just about you two are spending a lot of time together. You know what I'm saying? I want him to take you for granted in a way. I want him to enjoy all this time he has with you, whatever it is. Maybe it's sex, maybe it's dinner, whatever. And I want him to take it for granted and have him not realize it.
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And those are all normal, but it's kind of just kind of not giving a fuck.
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And then when you are like, I can't do this anymore, he has to realize he's been taking it for granted in a way.
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Yeah, literally. That was literally what she said. She's like, I really think she, I mean, it was like the third time she brought it up and she was like, I just think we could be really great. And I really want, I want us to do this. But yeah, she was, I mean, I'll still remember exactly where we were. And she was just very calm and a very, she was chill as fuck and very matter of fact.
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And then I said, no. And she said, okay, take me to the airport. I mean, she was on her way to the airport anyways, but she didn't grovel. She didn't beg. She didn't cry. She didn't say why not. She didn't try to convince me. Okay. She went home and planned a date with a surgeon.
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you know it's and kind of having that mentality and trying to find a companion to go out with you know a sporting event or whatever a concert you know just get out meet people socialize goof around you know um that's what i would love to see for you yeah i do think you're right about that because like that's one of my main flaws i think i'm too concerned with what people think about me so like i'm a people pleaser i hate that i am but i am that way
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Yeah. I think I need, you need to go on another date real fast with another guy.
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And don't hide it. Like, what are you doing this weekend? Oh, I have a date. Great. And you're just kind of casual about it. Because now when you say to him, oh, I think there's something great here. And he says, oh, well, I don't want to let you down. He's immediately in a position of power, right? And power can shift so quickly.
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The moment that he finds out you're on a date, and especially after he had sex with you, he's going to feel something. What? I don't know. He will feel something. And the more you're just kind of like, yeah, I'm on a date. And you act like you forgot you brought it up to him that you could be something special. He loses that power.
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And even if it's just about the power, that will make him feel a certain way. You have to be careful with that because you don't want him to like you just because he wants to know he can. But it's such a fine line. I mean, when it comes to this type of stuff and dating, it's like, we're all these, we're egomaniacs. We all want to be pursued.
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We want someone who like feels lucky to have us, but at the same time, we don't want to chase, you know, it's like, well, you know, exactly.
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I think you should just, when you're in his presence, you are, you are confident. You are independent. You are self-assured. You have a million exciting things going on. You know what I'm saying? Like that's generally the energy without trying to like pitch them and try to sell it. But that's more of a state of mind. It's more of a mindset, you know?
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And again, so that when he asks what you're doing, you don't say nothing. You don't say, oh, I have nothing going on. I'm bored. You're always selling, you know, that like you have a lot going on and it's more of a mindset. And this is a guy who does know a lot about you anyways. So don't, you know, you don't want it to like read false, but like you go on dates, you know, it's like, yeah.
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You know, like normal people in your situation would be really sad about being rejected after he rejected you, so to speak. Right. But you're not going to do the normal thing. You're just going to move on with your life, go on a date and act like you were completely unbothered by that rejection. That will be different. He'll notice, you know, it's shit like that.
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And if you can keep him on your toes that way, he'll start asking himself, what the fuck am I doing?
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But if you stop dating a bunch of people and you grovel and beg for him, he's just going to be like, yeah, I'm good. She's got nothing going for her. No one else wants to date her. She's begging me to date her. He's not going to actually say that, but that's kind of how we think. Yeah, yeah.
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Um, and then, yeah, when do you do it? I don't know. It's a gut feeling before his back surgery.
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I would say, uh, less than two months, less than two months.
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No, no, no, no. This is like, yeah. I mean, again, I'm mostly joking about the sex part and this is really about you not responding the way he's expecting you to respond after this and then continue to hang out with him, trying to make connections with him and then showing him that you haven't put yourself on hold because you're He hasn't asked you to.
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And then keep making these connections with him, having that quality time with him. He gets more used to that quality time. And then eventually you cut him off.
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You have a lot going for you. It'll work itself out one way or the other. All right. But your peace of mind is knowing that you can't be friends with this guy. You never really could be. This was meant to happen. And by meant, I mean like you inevitably, you guys were going to have sex.
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Yeah, I wish, I'm not. I wish I could, I'm trying to figure out, I should probably read a book on people. Have you read any books on people pleasing?
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and the fact that you told the story as if like you knew it was a sure thing which honestly doesn't make much sense but I'm just going to take your word for it so clearly I'm just saying like there was a natural level of confidence and chemistry that you guys had that you felt a level of you you know you knew you knew so there's clearly something there was this helpful it really is yeah I not what I was expecting you to say I thought you were going to immediately tell me that I need to like stop being friends with him and just cut him out but
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I want to emphasize that you could do that now and you know this guy and this relationship better than I do. But basing off what you're telling me, I'm sensing some reluctance on his part and I'm sensing he needs to be a little bit more emotionally invested in you than he is.
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It does seem like there's a shot here. We'll see.
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All right. Well, keep us posted. I definitely will need an update.
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I just, you know, I've always wondered why I'm not. I don't know. I don't know what the root is. I wish, you know, it's like one of those things you say, I'm a people pleaser. And I hear from a lot of people, I wish I could be like, oh, well, do you do X, Y or Z? And that's why I work on this. But I'm not sure why I'm not a people pleaser. Why do you think?
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Okay. How can I help you figure that out, whether you are or not? Or, yeah, is that what you're trying to figure out?
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Okay. How long have you been dating this guy for?
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When is this repulsiveness to him touching you started?
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Okay. I mean, and why do you think that is? Like...
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Are you fantasizing about other men? Are you checking other men out?
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No. Are you just in a season of not being sexual? Maybe the ick isn't coming from... You know, I don't know. You know what I'm saying? Like you're just what you're describing. You've been in this guy for almost four years or you've known him for four years. And in the first couple of years, everything's good. Right. Like hooking up, liking. Yeah, it was good.
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Okay, sure. All right. So it's not like you decided like, yeah, he's a good looking guy. He may not be.
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Sure. Well, I mean, where do you think this is coming from?
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Obviously it's hard for me to give you like a opinion, even as a man, I think it's a little different.
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Well, we love that. Yeah, we don't want to change that.
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So like, you know, I just want to ask you some kind of personal questions at your comfort level. When you were in other relationships or when you were in this guy, we're having a more physical activity. What did you do either with him or, you know, with yourself to like get you in the mood, so to speak?
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Yeah, which is kind of, like, you know, lame. Yeah.
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Sure, sure, sure. Yeah. Listen, like, you know, and I'm not, you know, I'm not trying to claim like I'm some Casanova, but like just recognizing that, like, you know, yeah, every couple does that from time to time. You get tired, you get lazy, whatever. Every man gets lazy, you know, from time to time. But as a couple, you have to find your way out of the ruts, so to speak.
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But this is not some guy you've been dating for a month or whatever. You have a whole history with this guy. It does sound like it's more of a you thing that you're working through internally. I know nothing about hormones and I know nothing about stuff like that.
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But yeah, I think even guys, there have been times in long-term relationships where I was the one pulling away from sex more than my partner was for whatever reason why. And I think you guys have to find your way back together in a way. you know, it sounds like you guys aren't communicating at all about intimacy that much. Is that accurate?
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Yeah, but I think, one, I've had this conversation with more women who are virgins. I can imagine now that when you go on dates, you're adding unnecessary pressure to those dates, whether it's, you know, one, getting the second date to, oh, am I going to get a kiss tonight? Three, like, God forbid, if I get a second date, a kiss.
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Sure. Well, listen, on some level, if you're going to date someone for like four years and continue to want to date them and shit gets mundane. And more than shit getting mundane, it's like it's very easy to get lazy or setting your ways or disconnected or whatever. You're going to have to figure out some version where you guys maybe communicate a little bit more about intimacy. Yeah, I don't know.
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I mean, like, I don't know how strong your ick is.
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like if if you were to it again okay so like the idea of like let's say he created a romantic evening taking charge of the situation lit some candles i don't fucking know told you to like lie in the bed he wanted to give you a massage and that massage was you know like you know like you guys were like i'm not wearing clothes and shit like would that give you the ick or like would you be like it's kind of like i don't really want to do that you get a free massage like right now i would say yes it does give me the ick okay
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I feel like I'm not being much help here, but have you seen a doctor? The little bit I know about women's bodies is that hormones can change and hormones can affect your sex drive and there can be seasons and periods. But maybe it's a question for a doctor and ask if, could this be a physical thing as opposed to a mental thing?
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Because honestly, that's what it sounds like you're trying to figure out. You don't even know if- Yeah. You don't even know if maybe your body is experiencing some changes. Right.
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Or if it's in your head, a little bit of both. Feel free not to answer this question. You tell me to fuck off. But are you on birth control?
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Sure. You know, and I don't know how I have no, I know nothing about that other than the fact that maybe there's something with birth control that like, I don't know, could be impacting a mood or something. I don't know. It's worth a call to your doctor. You may not get any answers. Yeah. I don't know, but like you probably get more answers from then you'll get from me about this topic.
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I don't know if I have a good, good answer, you know, like, so you're basically saying when you're like, when you guys are having sex, you reluctantly feeling, all right, let's, let's do the thing. Yeah. Kind of like obligation as a, as a girlfriend or whatever, like what's going on in your head.
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Well, like, oh, well, this be the first time I have sex or something. I mean, the stakes are so unnecessarily high for you, potentially, if you if you make them that way. I do know in general, yeah, we're always attracted to people who present is confident, present is not really caring what people think. More than anything, I think I'd love for you to try to challenge that.
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Well, and is it because you don't feel like having sex right now? Or is it just like you want this guy to get off you?
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And you don't know if like a different guy might be.
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And what's changed? Has he changed, like, physically? No.
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So, I mean, yeah, just trying to narrow it down. It doesn't sound like a very unscientific, unprofessional opinion. And if you can have chemistry with someone at any point, then you can recreate that chemistry, especially.
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Yeah. Well, you know, people can let themselves go, you know, and be like, hey, listen, I was I had the hots from them and they like kind of gave up on themselves. And five years later, they're unrecognizable. I don't know, that's a reality. But like you're saying, if anything, he's invested more of himself.
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He's taking better care of himself and probably a little hotter than he was five years, you know, four years ago. So like, it doesn't sound like it's a straight up him thing. I don't doubt that it's been a combination of you're having a hard time figuring out why you're feeling the way you're feeling. Your body's not responding the way you're used to it responding.
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You don't feel comfortable communicating this to your boyfriend, obviously, because you don't want to hurt his feelings and have it devastate him. And so you kind of just let him do whatever you let him do. And then I think almost that is allowing you to almost like attach your discomfort with it in general to like him giving you the ick.
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My best guess, based on what you're telling me, and I want to emphasize guess, is that, you know, because I think this is like a chicken before the egg question you're asking yourself. Like you're asking yourself, is my body doing something where I have lack of interest in sex and therefore it's making me feel a certain way about my boyfriend?
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Or have I just lost interest in my boyfriend and that's why I feel the way I do and it's less because of what my body's going through? Would that sound accurate? Like the two like kind of questions you're juggling?
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Okay. So I think, and again, my best guess based on what you're telling me, an emphasis on guess, it makes more sense that your body is going through something. I don't know. Maybe it's just normal. Maybe it's seasonal. Maybe it's something you're eating. Maybe it's something in the water. I don't know.
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It makes a lot of sense that if all of a sudden you were just less in the mood, less in the mood, but you didn't really know what was going on. You didn't really feel comfortable communicating that with your boyfriend because you didn't want to hurt his feelings.
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And so as a result, you just kind of let him do, you know, whatever it is he wants to do when like he gets in the mood from time to time. And so like that is like making you feel a certain way about him because like now you've attached, you know, because he is your partner when you're not in the mood and you don't want to do anything and he's making moves on you.
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Anyone would give you the ick in that moment, you know, and you don't feel annoyance whenever it's already in my head. So it's not, it's less about him and more that he's annoying you because like you don't know how to communicate how you're feeling about that stuff.
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I'm not trying to like, you know, it's like if you were here and I'd be like, all right, how do I teach this guy? how to be confident or how do I teach this guy this? I don't want to turn you into some douchebag kind of guy who like, you know what I'm saying? That's not the goal. It's not about being disingenuous or a jerk or rude to people. It's not about being dismissive.
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It's a tough situation to be in, but I do, and again, I'm just guessing, so maybe before you go rogue, have a conversation with your doctor. Get the information. Ask.
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totally but if it but if it is listen like he should like i don't know any adult man should be able to like recognize that like you know sometimes like shit happens and like you know yeah is it easy to like question like is it me yada yada but like it's a lot easier you're not doing anything on the side you know like there's some things that might make him insecure but like you know you'll have to work through that and communicate that but if it came to that you could say i've just been less in the mood lately and it's definitely not you or you know i don't know if you can say that but
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I'm just saying you're going to have to figure out some way to communicate with him because you not communicating with him how you're feeling is causing you to get the ick from your boyfriend because he's just like doing what he's always done and you're not communicating how you're feeling. So you're letting him do it. And it's like getting annoying.
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Yeah, I mean, only you can know if you're still attracted to your boyfriend or not. And I think your confusion, I'm guessing, is coming from the fact that you decided to date this guy for a lot of reasons. It sounds like he's a really good guy and a good boyfriend. There's a lot of things you like about him and the relationship. And like, you're pretty attracted to him.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
But like, I don't know, like you decided not to date the hottest guy in the room, which is probably a smart choice. And now that you're feeling this way, you're getting in your head and questioning your attraction to your boyfriend. That's my best guess.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Yeah. I often don't like pulling our audience when it comes to their opinion about this stuff. I'd be curious if there's ladies out there listening to this who relate to you.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
And what do you, have you talked to any of your girlfriends about this?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
I mean, listen, it sounds like your sex drive is non-existent at the moment or just not there, you know, not to get like.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Yeah, and you're not doing anything on your own, correct? Correct, yeah. All right, so you're not trying to fulfill your sexual needs outside of your relationship, whether that's with yourself, porn, or just flirting with other men, or God forbid, cheating on your boyfriend. You just don't feel like doing it, period. And your boyfriend doesn't know.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
And so now that he's doing this, you feel obligated, and it's making you annoyed with him. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
There's ways to improve your sex drive. Talk to your doctor, get some information, start there. And then, yeah, like maybe find ways to improve your sex drive. I don't know if there's things. Actually, we interviewed someone who made women Viagra. She's like one of the first billionaire women.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
It's about being confident in what you're doing in whatever it is. Right. I don't know. I see you're wearing a hoodie right now. You know, I don't know what you know, you're wearing jeans. I don't know if it's very fashionable or it's not fashionable, whatever. But who gives a shit? You're wearing it and you like it.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Cindy Eckhart, look her up, not advocating for anything she's selling or doing. I mean, I know her a little bit. She seems legit, but I have no idea what it does and what women's Viagra means, but I think maybe that's something you could do. Anyways, talk to your doctor and find out your options. Because it sounds like it's starting there. And then go from there.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Because I'm guessing, right, if you talk to your doctor, right, or let's say you talk to, maybe you met some women who are like, girl, like, totally, I know exactly what you're going through. I wondered the same things. But it's just your lack of sex drive.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
I bet if you were, I bet if you heard that from someone that like made you feel like you weren't crazy or gave you something to go on, you might be more like less nervous about like communicating this with your boyfriend, you know, because right now you're in your, you're in your head about it. And when he's like, well, is it me? You don't want to be like, I don't think so.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
You don't want to have like this look of confusion.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Listen, I think a million things can cause a low sex drive. Are you, you know, what's going on? You have stress in your life at all?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Yeah. It could be a million things and maybe it's an easy fix. Maybe it's a diet thing. I don't know. I definitely think there's a few calls you can make and a few doctor visits or whatever. At least get some information and just better understand. Because I think right now, like you're just going through something that is, you know, like you said, you're young.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
It's unexpected that you feel the way you do. It's a little confusing and you really have no answers. So all you're doing is guessing right now and you're just getting in your head. I appreciate you calling in. It's a really interesting topic. And I think one that I wouldn't be surprised if it does relate to a lot of people.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
But like, I'm a start, but like look to other people who maybe can give you better information.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Yeah, it's the first step. But at some point, you know, hopefully you get information that makes you better understand what's going on. And assuming it's not your boyfriend, hopefully that will make you confident to communicate, you know, just give him an update on what's going on in your life. And hopefully, hopefully he's there for you and doesn't take it personally.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
So like it's just one of those things like when it comes to your attire, whatever you're wearing, you just have to feel good. You know, it's like owning that. right? Whatever you say or do, just kind of owning your decisions. Like, I mean, little things. Like when you go on dates, I'm curious, are you asking them where do they want to go? Or are you offering ideas?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
And there's a lot better chance he won't. Assuming you're like, yeah, like I just been feeling this way. I went to my doctor. They told me blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And like, you know, there's things I can do and we'll see what happens. But I've just been kind of feeling this way. And I would assume that if
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Let's say Natalie was like, hey, just I've been feeling this way and I went to my doctor and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Any insecurities or like questions about is it me or what, you know, getting in my head about other things would be drastically, drastically like helped by like hearing how like that she had information already, you know? And that she was kind of proactive.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
I'm really hoping that you come back with like, yeah, I would talk to my doctor and I learned this and I did this and things are better. That would be great.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Despite you being young, I don't think you need to freak out and I'm not a doctor, but there can be a lot of reasons why you may be feeling the way you're feeling that don't need to stress you out or there might be a couple of things you can do to improve it.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Well, if someone suggests something, that's, we love that. You know, we love an idea, especially if they're a place that they're comfortable with. And I think early on in dating, if a woman's suggesting a place she wants to go, I think that's a great way.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
I think there's, you should generally always, unless you have a, you know, depending on your ideas, but if you don't have any good ideas and she has one, take her up on that idea. Also, she just might like, it might be a place that she's familiar with, feel safe around, you know, and women generally love to feel safe. Is any of this, is any of this resonating with you?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
It is one of, you know, I hear you. It's hard to, it's one thing, I'm here, I'm just like, yeah, go. Be confident in the sweatshirt you're wearing, and then I get off the phone and expect you to walk into a coffee shop and be, you know, Rico Suave. But I think part of awkwardness
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
if I'm trying to break it down comes from like just indecisiveness and second guessing yourself, you know, especially it's just like, you can get really awkward when you're like, what should I say? How should I say it? I hope I, I hope I say it right.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
That totally makes sense. How do you try to replicate that? You know what? You need a girlfriend. And you're like, yeah, no shit. That's why I called. I mean a friend that's a girl. How many platonic women friends do you have in your life?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Sure. Okay, fair enough. Well, I mean, I can be awkward and shy, too. I don't know how to teach stuff like that. And I hear your voice. I can be introverted. I know I can be awkward. I can be fucking weird all the time. But every once in a while when I was younger, I felt like I knew how to not give a shit and flirt a little bit. I guess going back, let's rewind a little bit.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Okay, you do. And what's that conversation? Do you talk to her about this stuff?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
I love that. You haven't asked her at all about dating advice?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
You do? Did she give you any feedback on your date? I mean, because here's a person you met on Bumble. I love where this is going. It's something. But you met her on Bumble. It didn't work out, as often that happens. I've met a lot of great friends when I was a single guy and I was just dating. There were some women that we dated and we ended up just being better friends. That's great.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
But there is maybe, if you're willing, feedback to get from her. Has she offered you any feedback on why for her it just wasn't a thing?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Just out of curiosity, why did you already decide you don't want to have kids?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Yeah. No, that seems obvious. What I would love, yeah, I mean, whatever. They don't live close, so it's... I kind of want you to get like a buddy who's like can kind of almost teach you the ropes a little bit, you know, like someone who's a little bit more extroverted than you, you know, someone who goes out a little bit more, you know, than you.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
But every once in a while when you have the itch to be social, you go out, you kind of have someone to go out with. And that's the thing. It's just, I want you, if possible, to... And I say this as someone who can be very introverted and loves to be at home and alone in my thoughts. So I hear you on that.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
But if you want to meet people, you are going to have to challenge yourself to get out there and put yourself in social settings that normally you wouldn't choose to. And now your hope, right, is that you find a lovely, rather introverted girl who also, for the most part, likes to stay at home, but just also happens to be out... You know, and that's not the only way to meet someone.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
But I do think you just need the practice to like fuck around and find out. Just goof around. You know what I'm saying? Like have a low stakes conversation with a girl that, you know, you think is kind of cute, but like you're just, you know, you're just trying to have a conversation.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
You know, with you, it's just like, man, you're on these dating apps and then once a month and maybe once every two or three months, you finally get a date. And then, you know, man, it would be so easy to psych yourself out. I don't know how you wouldn't psych yourself out. You know, you have to try to not psych yourself out. What are conversations you're trying to have on dates?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Back in high school, who were you hanging out with? Did you go to college? What was your social interactions with friends and women? What was it all like?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
I mean, yeah, no one does. I'm just curious who you're going for.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
I would imagine they do. Yeah. My wife is definitely a lot more extroverted than I am. You know, she definitely has an introverted side in the sense that like we both are homebodies. But like in social settings, she's far more normal than I am and way more social. And she definitely loosens me up. And it's nice to have her by my side and in social settings. And so, yeah, I mean, that...
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Mm-hmm. Exactly. Well, and it's, it's just, I don't know how to set that boundary and commit to it when it's, I like him as a person and I do get, you know, it's just, I don't.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
I'm going to make a tough love statement here. I think in order for you to, it's, it comes from self-respect, your ability to set this boundary.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Yeah, I mean, because I blatantly, yeah, I, I blatantly know he's disrespecting me and he's getting so much more out of it than I am. I know that. I know all these things, but I'm still not willing to take that step of cutting him off.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Well, because you lack self-respect, I guess, in a way. if you know he's not respecting you and you're generally okay with that, then that means you lack the self-respect that you need to enforce the boundary, you know?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
But what would that, yeah, I mean, it just shows.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Because I guess his, his approval of you is more important than your approval of yourself. And him, him, his attention is more important than you feeling good about your decisions. And then we're not even discussing the obvious.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Even if you get what you want with this guy, you're going to have to grapple with the fact that this guy is very easily doing things to his current girlfriend you wouldn't want to be done to you. And if he can do it with you, he's going to be able to do it. Two years from now, let's say you guys get in a relationship.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
At some point in your relationship with this guy, there's going to be a disconnect. you are not going to be able to fill a certain need that he might not be getting from this relationship. Every relationship goes through their peaks and valleys. There's connecting, there's disconnecting.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And when you're disconnected from this man, just like he seems to be disconnected from his girlfriend, he's going to seek that connection elsewhere because it's going to feel easier and new and exciting. And you are green lighting this behavior.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Right. You lose them how you get them.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Yeah. So, I mean, like, you know, there's you're kind of giving me the like. And again, I'm saying this with love, but like your childlike self and it's kind of childish to be like, I just can't do it. It's like you can. You're choosing not to. And you're not giving yourself enough credit that you have the agency and the power and the control to make this difficult decision and to follow through.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And for you to say things like, I can't do it. I know I should, but I just can't.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Different situations keep happening where, you know, people get upset or a situation goes a little too far. And, you know, it just is not it's not serving me anymore. But I can't seem to be like, bye, I'm never going to speak to you again.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
is you know childish i'm guessing the person you want to be and like sometimes we just have to make difficult the decisions that sting a little bit in the short run might make us you know and that's what i mean like you need to acknowledge the sadness you know it you need to acknowledge it's going to feel like a breakup and i think that's the part that you're not doing yet you're you're still trying to you know you called with like oh how can i be friends with this guy
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
I mean, you were kind of hoping that you and I could just sit there and be like, all right, well, here's how you can be friends. You can't be friends with this guy. And you're still trying to figure that out. And you're trying to do this equation in your head that's unsolvable. And you're just not accepting the reality of the situation.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And you just have to be more honest with yourself about how your choices... are affecting your happiness and your, you know, your character, you know, and you just have to follow through and you have to be willing to be sad and you have to be willing to feel even maybe a little bit of heartbreak and disappointment over like losing what he has brought to your life that you enjoy.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And then you're going to have to learn from it, you know? But yeah, like you've noticed this pattern of you getting closer and closer with men who aren't available. And yeah, there seems to be some reason why. Are you in therapy? I am. Have you talked about this pattern? You have. So what does your therapist say?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Well, not specifically about the pattern, more about the situation with with this guy.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
If I were you, I would be more interested in the pattern than this situation, because this situation is easily replicable. And it's really not about this guy. It's about this pattern that you, in fact, have noticed, you know, and for you to notice it means it definitely exists. Most people can't be self-aware to notice patterns.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And you have to make sure that your therapist isn't in just having fun gossiping with you about this guy. I would want, you know, I want you to look at why you're making the choices that you're making and what is the reason for you to continue this pattern? Like, what is it that you are missing?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
You know, what void are you seemingly trying to fill as a result of this type of behavior that you're doing?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Yeah, I think a lot of it has to do with validation. Like I'm seeking validation from other people because I do think all these wonderful things about myself. I'm successful. I'm attractive. I'm funny. I'm all of these things. But I need other people, mostly men, to reflect that back to me.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Do you have feelings for this individual?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Sure, we all do. What about single men?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
I don't know. I think it is. Yeah. It's a validation thing, but I mean, this has been the cycle of my whole kind of like romantic relationships since I was in high school. So it's always, were you popular in high school? I had several groups of friends, but I wouldn't say I was popular. No.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
I got in disagreements with the popular girls because I liked their boyfriends. Okay. Well, maybe it comes from something like that. That's kind of where I was going. I think sometimes how we are in high school really can stick with us unless we break a pattern.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
I guess I just don't know how to break the pattern besides just being like they're unavailable. So I'm not even going to engage with them.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
I think it's easier for you to do what you do if like your subconscious brain almost sees the pop, you know, as these men's partners as like the popular girls in high school.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And I think you in high school felt less guilty about what you were doing because it was kind of like, hey, it's high school, all fair in love and war. If he likes you today, he might like me tomorrow. And you getting that validation from these guys who are hanging out with the popular girls. you know, made you feel a certain way outside of just like the guy likes you.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
My name is Megan and I am 36 and I need to end my emotional affair.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Yeah. When I know that he has feelings for me as well, but obviously he is in a relationship. So he married.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
It was like a status symbol. It was like, I can compete too. I don't need, you know, it's like popularity. And then maybe it comes from something like that.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
But like, you know, these are the type of questions I'd love for you to be discussing in therapy, because again, even if you do finally break it off with this guy, if you don't break the pattern in this need for this type of validation, you're just going to find it with someone else again. And how old are you?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
36, 36 years, still relatively young, but like, do you want to keep doing this type of cycle with these types of guys for that much longer?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
You know, I'm no, I don't. And that's why I'm trying to make this change with this particular situation. It's just, I guess I don't know how to enforce the boundary because it's like, I've tried this two times or I've tried this two times with him to break it off. You got to stop with the language of times. He's come back to me.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Okay, good for him. Again, your idea of setting a boundary is asking him to respect your boundary. And then when he doesn't respect your boundary, you make it seem like you have no choice in the matter.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Yeah. I willingly accept him back because I miss him.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Yeah, I understand that. And again, if you were to enforce this boundary, you would have every right to grieve the same way you would a romantic relationship because you have feelings for this guy and that's understandable. But there's two outcomes you want, right?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
The best outcome right now is to be with this guy romantically and for you two to explore a relationship further while he ends his relationship with a girlfriend and sees where things can go. That's your first choice.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Your second choice, much further down in terms of what you'd prefer, which would be to just relieve yourself of this toxic relationship with this man because he's in a relationship and for you to move on, right?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Those are your top two choices, neither of which will be accomplished by you doing what you're doing, which is to act like you're a victim of this circumstance and give him all the power and let him choose for the both of you what you guys decide to do and just once in a while complain, right? You complaining hasn't gotten you anywhere.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
I mean, still like and I and I said that to him, too. I'm like, if you wanted to, you would. And yeah, I mean, he he hasn't. So he doesn't want to. And I and I have come to terms with that to an extent. But I still want him in my life as my friend. But our relationship is not.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
You actually need to do something and he will respect you a hell of a lot more if you show him that you're willing to enforce a boundary. You enforce a boundary right now. He's like, all right, cool. I'm just going to like, I'll just stop. I won't text her for a couple of days. She'll miss me. I'll show up and we'll do it all over again.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And I don't even think he's doing it consciously, but he knows. Oh, I think he is.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
That should piss you off even more. I mean, again, this comes down to a level of self-respect that you are not giving yourself.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
It should make you mad. It's starting to. No, I mean, I feel a deep level of disrespect and sadness about the situation.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
But I want you to, you are disrespecting yourself way more than he is.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
I agree. I agree. I need to make myself a priority and not necessarily care as much about how it's going to affect his life because that's what I think about.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Yeah, that's understandable. You care about them. It's sad. But you got to let go of that narrative. This man has all the options. He could be with his girlfriend. He could be with you. He's going to choose what deep down he wants for himself. What you're going to put a stop to is him feeling like he doesn't have to choose, that he can have both.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And let's not feel sorry for the guy who is trying to have his cake and eat it too, so to speak. You know what I'm saying? Let's not feel sorry for the guy who's greedy because that's what he is. You are pitting someone who's being greedy.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
I completely agree with you. And every time that I've brought that up to him, he gets very upset because you've got to stop trying to deep down knows it's true.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Yeah. But also like stop arguing with this man. It's pointless. He wants to argue with you. It's an opportunity to change your mind, get in your head, play on your feelings for him. Words in these situations are just... That's how they are. They're just fucking words. You guys just... I care and I don't care. Like... Does he want to be with you or not?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Does he want to stop emotionally cheating on his girlfriend for you, you know, or not? Do you want to date a weak man? Because this guy sounds pretty fucking weak, you know? Like, I don't know. It's just...
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Yeah, I and that's the thing is that I I want to get that understanding from him what he wants. But I have to take his actions as what he wants. Obviously, he wants to stay with his girlfriend because it's been a year now and he's still with his girlfriend. So he's made his decision.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
But you don't platonic. Yeah, that's the thing. You don't. Right. And so he's not your friend. You know, Natalie, my wife, is my best friend, obviously, of course. Right. But like that is not the core of our relationship. Right. It's disingenuous for ourselves to pretend that we can be just friends with people that we have elevated feelings for that go beyond us. a friendship, right?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
How long is this? How long have you been in your mind? This has been you said it's been going on for a year. How much of this year have you guys been teetering on him emotionally cheating on his girlfriend?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Well, I mean, you make the whole time. I got the impression at first it started like very like innocent and you guys were just totally friends. And then maybe a couple of months in, you're like, oh, wait, I like this guy or vice versa. Or you mean pretty early on you had feelings?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Pretty early on I had feelings and pretty early on we, you know, started flirting with each other. And like our communication has always been very constant.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
If you were her, how would this whole situation feel if you had a mirror into your relationship?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Oh, extremely shitty. Can we cuss on here?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Okay, so then does that not make you see him differently knowing that he, that's one thing for you, it's easier for you to put on his mind because like you don't know her, you have no loyalty to her, you're disrespecting yourself by doing this, but like he is disrespecting himself and her and he's doing it with a clear conscience. And how does that not change how you see this man?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
No, it definitely, definitely has. I mean, I was very, you know, I didn't see it for a very long time. I, you know, put him on this pedestal of being this great stand up, you know, fantastic guy that I was trying to win over. And so I was, you know, giving him, you know, access to me to try and show him you know, Hey, choose me. Like I'm, I'm the better fit for you.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
It's only been the past couple of months.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And yes, I realized that that's still a long time as a couple of months, but it's only been the past couple of months that I've really come to see his true character and how he lies and how he withholds communication from me because he knows that that's my biggest thing is that I like to talk through things and I like to, you know, be upfront with communication. And so
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
him taking that away from me, he knows that that's going to drive me insane and, you know, try and reach back out to him. So it's only been, you know, more recently that I've realized all of these things that have been going on and wanting to not be in this same cycle, not wanting to feel this bad about myself. And it's providing me, you know, more heartache than anything
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
than happiness at this point. And I've come to realize that. And so that's why I want to make this change. And actually, I don't know if I want to, or it's more like I need to. I hope that you want to.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Yeah. And again, you can still be sad about what you're losing and still want to make the right choice.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
I mean, yeah, no, it like it, it's going to make me cry to say that I won't have him in my life. So yeah, It's really hard to think about. It's really not him that you're listening to. It's also really hard to be in this spot.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
he's just not that great you know you're you're crying over a person you've built up in your head and it's very true i i there's a part of you that might be sad missing the game the challenge the excitement the up and down you know like it's a chapter in your life you're gonna have to close and these are all things you can acknowledge but like you're just giving this man way too much credit you're clearly not giving yourself enough you know
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And it should start pissing you off. I mean, you know, again, you're young, but you're, you know, not that young. You're not, you're too old to be doing this shit, you know?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Especially for a guy who like, again, it's just, you know, you're crying over someone who would do this to you.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And he's, he's gotten a lot of my tears over the past year and I don't want to give him any more.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
So stop glorifying this relationship. Yeah, I guess I just... I think you're trying to compete with the girls you went to high school with still.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Potentially. Yeah, I want to be the chosen one. That's always been my thing. I want to be the one picked.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Yeah. And that's why you're capable of doing what you're doing is because you're not seeing it as like a low character choice or the fact that he is doing this shitty thing to his girlfriend. You're seeing it as if he picks me, then it was all worthwhile. Then I did the right thing, you know, and you're making it all about you being picked.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
I understand, you know, listen, you like this person. There are moments it sounds like he's added value to your life, you know, in the short term. But obviously, given how he's handling this, you've recognized that it's It's causing you more frustration, disappointment.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Yeah. Because I, in other situations, like, yeah, with, with single men or with available men, um, I'm not picked. So either way, I'm not picked.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Yeah. Like I don't go on a lot of dates. I don't, I haven't had like a long-term relationship and it's because, yeah, I don't, I don't connect with. people often. And when I do, I get really excited about it. And the most people that I connect with are unavailable people.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And so again, part of it, I think that you're connecting with unavailable people because you feel a comfortable without the pressure, like we talked about, and you're clouded by the excitement of what, if, if, if you can, you know, and it feels safe and you feel less rejected by subconsciously entertaining unavailable men.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And then when you do go on the dating apps or go out with available men and, you know, it doesn't go your way, you feel more rejected. I'm guessing because you get in your head about like, well, they won't even pick me when they're if they don't have a girlfriend. I mean, like you said, yeah, you know. You're an attractive person. You have a lot going for you.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
If you really wanted a boyfriend tomorrow, if your life depended on it, I'm confident you could have one. But the men you're going after, I'm willing to bet that the reasons you're dating aren't for love. They're not for stability or making a romantic connection. I think a lot of it is based off of being validated.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And so my guess is you're going after a lot of the fuck boys and you're going after a lot of the men who your subconscious brain is seeing an opportunity for. And that opportunity is to feel validated. You're, you're, you're, you're not going after men who might be able to, you know, share and develop something. And, you know, you're just, there's this, obviously this intense need of validation.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And if I were you, if, you know, therapy we know is expensive.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
I would be more intentional about what you are talking about in therapy because like talking about individual situations is nice, but, you know, working with a therapist that hopefully can understand, you know, like child, like past traumas or the reasons why we do things and try to look into what's causing these repetitive behaviors is a far better use of your time.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Because otherwise, you're just paying a therapist to talk with about your relationship problems when you exhaust your friends.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
So, yeah. But, you know, you're clearly, you know, you're very capable of making the right decisions. You're not as helpless as you're acting. And you need to just hold yourself to a higher standard. And this will change when you really want it to change.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
It's questioning your own, I'm guessing, integrity and character as you kind of entertain certain things that he's doing, knowing that it's affecting your conscience. But that being said, yeah, I get the desire. I guess the point is, you have to recognize...
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Right. And that's only... when the change can happen is when I'm truly ready. And it's, I keep trying, you know, inching towards that, that point. And I just need to, you know, actually take that step and you know, be good with that. It's just, I don't know how to do that. I just, do I call him up and be like, hi, I'm not talking to you again.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
If I were you, I'm willing to bet you've had plenty of these types of conversations. If I were you, I would block him right now and I would delete his number and I wouldn't tell him. He'll know exactly why you're being blocked, even though he acts confused or even if he tries to act like a victim, he knows. uh, that's what I would do.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And if he goes out of his way to track you down, to get ahold of you without being able to text you, then you calmly say like, you know, the answer, it's not even fair for you to even make me answer this question. And it's even shittier of you to make me feel like I am doing something wrong. If you really want to be in my life, you know exactly what you need to do.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And if you know, you don't then keep doing what you're doing. But like,
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
i'm i've wasted enough of my energy and time this past year and i'm done and it's it is that simple you have to tell yourself it is that simple because it is i know that the feelings you're going to feel following that will be difficult and you'll have to process them and you'll have to work through them and you will be there's no way to do this without being sad and that is something you're just going to have to accept and when you called in
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
you were hoping to figure out a solution without being sad. And that's not possible. And you're going to have to accept that.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Yeah, and unfortunately, I'm already sad.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Well, that's good news, actually. Because the truth is you kind of know the truth, right? And you're not really accepting it. You're kind of accepting it. And you called in with a little bit of delusional hope. You calling in with the question of how can I be friends with this guy is you not actually accepting the reality of your situation.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Yeah, I mean, we both brush it under the rug. We both know that... our relationship is, is more than a friendship, but neither of us are doing anything about it.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
I have developed a close relationship with a friend that initially started as a working relationship. So professional relationship. And then over time, we just became closer and closer and have definitely grown.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
I think you need to stop using we and us language with this guy. You're not in a relationship. You don't have one. You're two individuals making choices and, and you got to stop that language. There is no you two.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
That's very true. You know, definitely not. He, yeah, he blames me for, for everything that's gone wrong. So. It's a very terrible feeling because she's complicit.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
You know better. And so you have to figure out a way to stop being a victim because you're not in this situation. Right, I'm letting it happen. Yeah. I mean, like, cause you know, it's crazy for him to say, and you would rather allow him to make you feel this way than just say you're being like to see it for what it is cruel, self-centered, selfish.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
That you walking away from this situation that you know isn't right or healthy for you big picture wise, that you're going to be sad about it, that you will miss aspects of the relationship you have with him, you know, just like any breakup, you know, to a certain extent. Yeah.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And instead you're, I don't, you know, you're, you're just not seeing it that way.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Right. I understand that. Yeah. A great technique is blocking him and not giving him access to me, but it feels harsh. Like I don't, I haven't done that with anybody in my life. Even like, I just, it feels very rude to me.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Your dating choices have gotten to where you are today. So maybe you need to start making different choices. Yeah. And maybe you need to be a little bit more harsh.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Because life, because doing the right thing is often hard and to get things, anything worthwhile in my life didn't come easily. Anything, whether it was love or work or, you know, the things that we appreciate the most are often the most difficult things to get, which is kind of, kind of,
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
that logic also got you into this mess because you have almost subconsciously justified this type of behavior from the two of you is, you know, well, your effort is, you know, it's, it's, it must be meaningful because I've had to work this hard for it, you know, but that being said, this is more about you doing the right thing and it shouldn't be this toxic. That's for sure.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Yeah, no, I agree. I know it needs to happen and I have to, uh, actually do it and stick to it. Uh, I just, yeah, I just worry about, yeah, him actually reaching out and then me caving and I have to, I mean, I don't know, ready to not cave.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Do you like, you have to respect yourself. It's, it really comes down to that. It really just does.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Yeah. Cause I, I don't want to be treated this way. I don't, I wouldn't want to treat people this way myself.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
So I have to, well, you are allowing both to happen right now and you have for the past year and that should trigger you in a way, you know, you're going to have to figure something out to motivate yourself. And I think you need to start being a little bit more honest and harsh with yourself.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Yeah, no, I, I, I understand. And yeah, I think that this, this heartache, this anxiousness, this stress, everything from this is, you know, a lot worse than being on the other side and being sad for a bit and, you know, sticking up for myself. So it's just something that I need to do. And I've struggle to actually do it because I don't want to lose him.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And it definitely feels like a breakup to me because of the emotional aspect of it. Exactly.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
I mean, again, I would change that language. Yeah, you do. Him is who he is today. And him is a guy who has been able and willing to make his emotional mistress, you, feel shitty about herself when all she's trying to do is just find happiness and love. And he knows that he's doing it. while simultaneously lying and deceiving his current partner.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
This is the person you are having a hard time letting go.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
So you should want to lose that. Like, instead of talking about him in generalizations, you should talk about the behaviors he's demonstrating. I want to lose this type of behavior in my life. I want to lose this type of behavior in my life, that type of behavior in my life. I don't want to lose him is such a, like.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
What even is that? Yeah. Him is his actions. He's bringing into this relationship.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
You got to toughen up here. You know, you can do this, you know, type of stuff. Stop with the, I can't stop with, I don't know how you're not a 16 year old girl anymore. Stop acting like the girl that, I mean, you, it is, it's coming from that place. I mean, again, not a therapist, but I think it's a pretty educated guess.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And I think that's okay for you to acknowledge and mourn to a certain degree because that's better off than trying to do these mental gymnastics in your head about like, well... you know, I really like him.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Yeah. I will definitely look to explore that more in therapy for sure. Because, yeah, we've been definitely been focused on this situation and what I can do and coming to that conclusion that I need to.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
What are they saying? Just out of curiosity.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
We made a list of things that I can do to begin to distance myself. And I did several of those last week. What was on that list? It was to delete our text messages. Because I was holding on to it, I think, sort of as like evidence or as way to, you know, hold on to the good things that he said to me. Tons of pictures. I moved them to my laptop, you know, off my phone. Delete them. Mute. I can't.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
I don't. Yeah. Yeah. But and then I muted him on Instagram.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
I mean, if you get what you want and that is him committing or trying it out. You don't even want to remember this part of this relationship. You know, why, why are you not?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't, I wouldn't allow any of this if I was in a relationship with him, I wouldn't allow it. So why?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
You wouldn't even know. But that's what I'm saying. It's like, you're like, I'm saying delete those pictures off your laptop. You're like, Oh, I can't be. And the reason you can't must be in the back of your mind. You are wondering, well, if I get what I want, eventually I'm going to want these pictures to look at. I'm going to want to be able to memorialize the beginning of our relationship and
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
But I'm telling you, if you get what you want, you're not going to want to memorialize the time that you're going to, because right now it's very easy for you, even though it's, I mean, as difficult as it is, it's very easy for you to acknowledge his behavior.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And if I could just figure out a way to have them in my life, you know, in a way that doesn't like make me question, you know, if I'm doing the right thing or not, it doesn't make me question whether he's doing the right thing or not. And then we've somehow we can magically figure out how to do that. Then we can be friends. And I like, it's just not possible. Yeah. you know?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
But if you get what you want, you're going to want to forget how he actually handled himself, how he treated you, how he treated his girlfriend. More importantly, you're not going to want to memorialize that anyways, you know?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
yeah it's true be like hey remember the time we took this picture and uh you had a girlfriend like what are you hanging so what do you yeah again you got us you know you're not a victim and the more you keep saying i can't or it's too hard the the you're just making harder on yourself you want to keep doing this shit you know like come on
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
No, I don't. I don't. Like I said, I want a partner and I want somebody I can build my life with. And this is not that. And this is not opening me up to that type of situation.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Make different choices. You've got to start being the big girl that you are. You're an adult woman. And you've got to stop acting like the 16-year-old. You know, it's time to graduate, so to speak. Yeah. And again, you have a lot going for you. Like, you know, and you're going to have to get past this need for early on validation and excitement and like the intangible.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And maybe the men you start going out with, maybe you need to get comfortable with being a little bored in their early dates. And you have to start like trying to identify characteristics, you know, high quality, you know, like having more compatible. I think you should focus more on compatibility rather than chemistry.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
You know, I think you should stop looking for men who help you see different sides of you that you didn't see before. Again, I think you're probably giving him way too much credit in that department as well. It's like you got a compliment from a man that you liked and you turn it into him making you realize that you could see yourself in ways you couldn't see yourself before.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Maybe you should, you know, get rid of this guy and start practicing on valuing yourself in ways that you haven't been willing to value yourself without you hearing it from a man.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Yeah. I mean, yeah, I do believe those things about myself, but I need to believe it regardless of hearing it back from someone else. Because it's like, I do believe it, but... I believe it more if somebody else is. Sure.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And listen, we all love to be complimented. We all need certain levels of validation. But, you know, you're old enough to start asking yourself, is this validation healthy validation or is it toxic validation? Is it coming from a place that's going to serve me long term or is this a short term fix? Sugar and vegetables will both satisfy a craving in the short term.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And like, I mean, that's what I've been trying to do is, is take sort of a step back and be like, okay, we're not going to speak every day as we have. I'm not going to see you multiple times a week. I'm going to try and make this more of a friendship. That's like, we talk at a, on a regular cadence and I've been trying to like, let me ask you through that, but it's,
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
One of them will make you feel shitty long term and the other one will make you feel good long term. And, you know, sometimes vegetables are pretty fucking boring to eat. You know, I don't you know, like you're an adult and you know that like you can't just binge on sugar all day long.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And if you want to feel a certain way or look a certain way, you're going to have to make some tough choices when it comes to your diet. And the same thing when it comes to your romantic life. but you're, you're keep acting like you don't know how to not eat sugar, uh, and say no. And like, you know, it's just like, I don't know what to do. And it's like, you know, you do.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Yeah. And I think the only thing is, yeah, when I do go out with available people, yeah, I am, I am bored. I, I don't feel as strong of a connection with them. And I've You know, give it two, three dates typically. And I feel like that's, you know, good to get an understanding of somebody.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Stop looking for excitement on the first few dates. What has that gotten you? Nowhere. You're prioritizing chemistry. There's a whole chapter in my book that talks about the difference between chemistry and compatibility and how chemistry is very difficult to trust. Chemistry is easily faked. Most fuckboys are naturally charismatic.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
You can feel chemistry with people who have... You worked with this guy, so there was some sort of... working relationship that made you guys feel connected in a way that maybe you wouldn't feel connected if you didn't.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Like I said, people who go on The Bachelor have a very intense mutual experience that connects them and makes it easier to feel a certain level of chemistry they might not feel with someone who didn't share that experience. But that doesn't mean the two people are meant to be in a romantic relationship.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And so chemistry that you feel very early on is often manufactured and fake or very just hard to trust its authenticity. Compatibility, on the other hand, very early on, you can figure out what you have in common, what you enjoy doing, what you enjoy talking about. You don't have to have... It's not like you have to find the equivalent of you, but you should have things that you...
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
you know, can talk about and share and that can grow. And you need, I, if I were you, I would start focusing on that. And I would see chemistry early on in the first couple of days as a red flag because it is for you. It is, you know, and I would see boredom as a green flag for you.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Yeah, I think I definitely need to focus more on on the compatibility front.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Yeah. And so when you feel boredom early on, you should challenge yourself to keep going because you're going to have to fight through that. You know, you're just going to and you're going to have to try to develop a connection over time.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Which clearly you're capable of doing, but you're going to have to do it without the pot at the end of the rainbow, which is the validation, the hope of this validation from this person, you know, you're, you know, you feel like you need it from.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Yeah. It's, it's definitely giving too much power away and I need to be able to give that validation to myself.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
You can do this. Are you going to block them? Why don't you just do it right now?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
You'll never be ready. You'll never be ready.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Tomorrow, you'll feel just... So the only thing that I'm thinking, and you're going to be like, this is ridiculous. I already know it. But we work out the same place. I have put in my notice, but it's till the end of the month. So I could potentially see him in the coming days. And so if I block him and then see him... And that's so awkward.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
You're not a victim. First of all, again, it's only awkward if you make it awkward. It should be empowering. If I were you, I would want to, if I were you, I'd block them. I'd pat myself from the back. I'd call my girls who supported that decision. I'd say, I finally block them. And I hope that they would gas you up.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
I hear you on that, but let me ask you this. How would it make you feel if you knew at the end of the day, like he was using you to fill in the gaps he's missing in his relationships?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And I would look in the mirror and compliment yourself for finally standing up for yourself and, and, and stop putting up with this shitty behavior. And if you were to run in with them and run into them, then I would feel good about it and say to him, you know what happened and stop, you know, I'm over this. And I would walk away. I wouldn't engage in conversation with him.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
You know, I don't know where you live or what the climate is. If you really need to work out, you could do some laps around the block or whatever. Do some, you know, lunges in your house or apartment. You do not need to go to this gym.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
So, again, you blocking him and going to this gym, is this you tricking yourself or, again, finding an excuse or a loophole to not enforce the boundary, which is you blocking him?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Mm-hmm. I agree. All right. Should I get it out and block?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
I think you should. Let's block him and then delete his number. That's so scary. It's not scary. You're not 16 anymore.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
screenshot yeah you know where my brain went yeah well i mean again like i you at some point you just have to be fed up with yourself yeah 40 is going to come real fast yeah which will be fine when you hit it but like yeah if you turn 40 you're doing this shit it's going to be a real tough birthday yeah did you do block them okay blocking
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
all right delete his number now block like block him on instagram block him on snapchat block him on whatever the fuck i luckily only have instagram so let's go ahead and do that you got your phone in front of you go ahead block i don't know why this is so stressful to me well because you're actually doing something you're not used to doing you know
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Oh, I 100% think that he is doing that.
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but you got to change your attitude your attitude is so victim mindset like be proud of yourself you just did something that you really struggled doing like pat yourself on the back like have a sense of accomplishment and pride in yourself like yeah you know yeah i think i tend to think about the what i'm losing as opposed to what i'm gaining and i need to focus on what i'm gaining
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set an appointment with your therapist and talk about why you are like the patterns you know and yeah i will um like you don't need to like just cut to the fat you know you don't need a slow burn respecting yourself definitely doing the slow burn situation yeah Need to take more action. Well, keep us posted how this is going. Cry to your friends, but like try to pat yourself on the back.
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And it doesn't make me feel great. And the thing is, too, is that he knows how I feel about him. And I think he's taking advantage of the situation because who wouldn't want somebody in their life that's, you know... building them up and providing them emotional support and, you know, somebody to spend time with when their significant other is out of town or whatever it may be.
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Try to feel a sense of pride because until you're able to do that, like if you're just going to go into this victim mindset of like, I'm so sad. I don't know if I can do this. I'm heartbroken. Yeah. I mean, you're going to make yourself vulnerable for when he eventually inevitably bangs down your door, so to speak.
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And just keep in mind that like he needs to come correct him saying I'm sad and I can't do this. No, if he doesn't show up at your door and then like I ended it, even then I would make sure I would proceed with caution.
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You're welcome. I'm proud of you. Now, uh, follow through. This is your life, you know? I mean, I'm serious.
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Well, yeah, I don't, I don't want this to be my life. So I need to actually follow through with that because yeah, I don't want, I don't want this. Yeah. You can and you're capable. Exactly.
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Take care. Yes, exactly. All right. Thanks.
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So, I mean, what are your insecurities that are causing your jealousy?
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Well, I've always thought that the reason we get jealous is because we have some kind of insecurity. Right. And our insecurities can come from two different places when we're in a relationship. They can come from the behavior of our partners. They're doing something. Maybe they're very flirtatious. Maybe they're. kind of do things that kind of don't make much sense.
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They show up late or whatever, or our insecurities can come from past trauma, like childhood trauma, past relationships, you know, things like that. So do you think it's more your husband's doing things that, you know, you were like, you've just kind of accepted, but deep down don't feel right that are causing you to be jealous?
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Or have you had shit happen to you in the past that you haven't really processed or worked through or gotten over that's causing you to react the way you're acting with your husband?
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And so it's like for me to try and walk away, I want some type of like acknowledgement from him to be like, to understand why I'm doing what I'm doing. Like that he's going to be missing something. Like right now it feels like he's like, okay, you're making this decision. Why would that take a step back from me?
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Give me an example of something he's doing that's bothering you.
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How would that actually make you feel better? So if what I'm hearing from you is like, yeah, if I'm hearing you right, you want to take a step back, put distance in this relationship and you want to hear him acknowledge that'll be difficult and sad for him to do.
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I mean, why are you, like, I mean, I think you can control it more than you realize. You must get some kind of excitement from it.
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Are you guys like, I mean, you said you were together for 15 years. Like maybe, are you guys just, are you bored?
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like help that you know we live in a big city like there's nothing i mean like you know we all like to be chosen and picked in fact we talk i talk to a lot of you know women for example who who struggle with you know chasing men for the sake of validation in order to feel chosen and picked you just have to change your perspective i guess
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I mean, one, it sounds like maybe there's some stuff going on inside of you that you haven't worked through. I don't know if you've talked to a therapist about this type of behavior that you've dealt with, but that would be a good place to start. And I would definitely look into that. If you can say, hey, I've always struggled with this. I've always felt this way.
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I've kind of always internalized these feelings and gone down these mental rabbit holes. And there is a reason why. And, you know, we're not going to be able to address it on this call, but I would definitely explore that with a therapist.
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That being said, you know, like there is an element of like, you just have to change your perspective in a sense that like every day your husband's choosing you when he chooses not to go to these events. Maybe it's, again, he's choosing you when he's saying, oh, you're the prettiest girl in the room. Yeah, maybe he is looking, but he is choosing you.
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You know, every day he wakes up and he has the option to look at other women or be with other women, but still every day comes back and chooses you. I would feel good about your husband continuing to choose you every day because honestly, that's what it comes down to in terms of making relationships work. You're seeing it as, I don't know, something else other than being chosen.
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But yeah, I mean, your big problem is like you're just choosing it to see it in a negative way. Why you're choosing it to see in a negative way is something I would explore with a therapist if I were you, because there seems to definitely be a reason why. Obviously, we're just not going to be able to unpack that in a call like this.
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Because let's assume that would be OK, but let's assume, OK, like you, you reach out to him and you're like, hey, we need to cut ties. I can't do this. And you get exactly the words that you want to hear from him. And then after he says the words that you want to hear, you never hear from him again. How will that make you feel better?
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And but it's probably has something to do with your past, you know, some kind of past trauma with a boyfriend or a parent. I don't know. Um, but you know, it's usually one of those things, but yeah, I mean, if you're really tired of it, I would, I would invest in exploring that, you know, because eventually it is going to cause a rift in your relationship.
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Cause, cause I'll be like, you like, you clearly like torturing yourself. You know, I've always, the brain prefers pain to boredom and you are getting stimulation off of this. It's preoccupying your mind. Maybe it's distracting. Maybe you've gotten used to doing this to distract you from other things, but like you were in a way getting off on this and you are choosing to do nothing about it.
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If you can point out that this has been a pattern for a long time and you've done nothing about it, then that's a choice that you're making.
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You know, also like a therapist, you know, that's why you pay them money to not judge you, you know, to listen and work through your problems. It's like you can recognize it's a problem. You say you don't want to do it, but it's just like you do it anyways and you don't do anything to change it, you know. But like you're demonstrating behaviors that are just like aren't normal or healthy.
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That this time our friendship, our relationship meant something to him.
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And it's obviously coming from a place and you should want to do something about it.
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It's different for every couple. Other couples are more secure and, you know, and feel confident in their relationship and it can be fun. Some couples enjoy like talking about like what they find attractive in other people and don't feel threatened and, you know, can have a fun doing that. But like, it doesn't seem like you can. So if it's triggering for you,
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It makes you stalk random strangers because he acknowledged some girl has a nice ass. Again, especially because you asked him to and fucking egged it out of him. I did.
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I guess what I'm trying to say is like, I find that words in these situations are fairly meaningless and actions go a long way. And if I'm willing to bet that if this were true and he didn't reach out again, those meanings of those words would fade away quickly. And then his ease of letting you go would hurt.
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Are you checking out other men? There's no wrong answer, but are you projecting how you look at other men and fantasize about other men into your partner? Are you doing that and then assuming he's doing the same thing as you type of thing?
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But, you know, exactly like you can you can look at a guy and be like, oh, it's an attractive man. Oh, he's hot, whatever. But like, I don't. What do you you don't you don't.
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yeah i mean sure they are wired differently but like both men and women cheat sometimes for different reasons but like the stats are pretty clear that it's pretty even there's not one doesn't cheat more than other you know like they're human beings can be human beings and human beings can often do shitty things for different reasons so like him being a guy isn't like doesn't make him more or less capable of cheating than you the fact that you're a woman
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So I don't I don't think like, you know, it's like you have to recognize that. Like, yeah, it's like you choose him. So you can look at a guy and be like, oh, he's attractive and still be like, yeah.
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But, you know, there are other people in this world and people are attractive, you know, and sometimes it's fun to just acknowledge the obvious and then know that you're securing your relationship, that you don't have to be threatened by like walking outside of your house.
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Are you and your husband connecting, you know, like, are you bonding? Are you like having setting? Like, what are you guys doing to stay connected and to reinforce the love and affection that is, or isn't in your relationship?
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bordered uh past the friendship level uh and he is in a long-term committed relationship okay you're in your relationship status is i am single okay okay so this started you you work with this person uh i worked with him in a certain capacity we no longer uh work together professionally gotcha uh does that have anything to do with the relationship or is that just Nope.
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But are you connecting when you do those things? Like when you're, you know, when you're being intimate, are you setting aside time to connect and be intentional about connecting, caressing each other or talking intimately about things like, you know, watching TV together is nice, but it's not really connecting.
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Yeah. Well that, that too, that's what I'm afraid of is that, yeah, he'll just be like, okay, bye, see you later. Cause he, he still has everything and I, I am, I'm left, you know, still alone. And so it's like, yeah, I think maybe it is more my ego.
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I don't know. You need to talk about it with someone other than me. And I would... I mean, the short and obvious answer is I would, if I were you, I would look into a therapist to talk about why you do and feel the way you do and why you look to create unnecessary drama in your relationship because that's what you're doing.
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And if you can acknowledge it, then you can change it.
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But as you've stated, you've known it's an issue for a long time and you've done nothing about it.
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Well, who cares? It doesn't matter at this point, forget about it. Water under the bridge, wasted money. But if I were you, I would get a therapist. I'd walk into that meeting and say, this is why I'm here. I've been struggling with this specific problem. I'd like to understand why I'd like to work on
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my own insecurities and find out why I, in some level, create unnecessary drama in my life or why I tend to self-sabotage. But I'm constantly feeling jealous and I'm starting fights in a way. It doesn't turn into a fight mostly because it seems like your husband doesn't engage in it and at least you know enough not to go there. But in your mind, you're fighting.
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You shouldn't be stalking random women's Instagram the way you are for the reasons that you are. And that's creating... drama in your mind.
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One too many, you know, but like, I'm sure you could give me other examples of things that you have done that I would be like, why are you doing that? Right. So that's really the point. So that's what I would do. And, and I wouldn't just walk in and be like, Hey, so, you know, I just thought I'd jump into therapy for fun or because, or whatever.
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And just someone to shoot the shit with, but like, you know, which would be fine too. But like, you have a very specific reason and something you want to work on. And if I were you, that's what I would do.
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you know because you've tried to do it on your own you can't you haven't you know and that's okay because if you don't change it eventually you know it will start causing problems yeah no I will it has before in the past but I just I know it's not anyone's fault really but his so I try to just I hope I was a little bit helpful, but I think this is a matter of perspective.
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Well, one you're like, I don't know anything about your circle of influence, but I'm willing to guess you're not alone. And you may at times feel lonely, especially when it comes to maybe male companionship.
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I think you have to challenge yourself to not go down those rabbit holes. You have to, you know, with or without a therapist, if you can acknowledge that you should know better, then you can choose not to do the things. You can choose to not look up this person. You can say, hey, you cannot give in to your intrusive thoughts or your weak feelings. You know, you can, you can choose.
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And then you can talk to a therapist to figure out why you have these feelings in the first place or why it's so hard for you to follow through.
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Okay. Well, keep us posted, letting us know how it goes. I'd be curious what you learn.
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Okay. It's usually not great that you're wondering.
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When did you break up and when did you get back together?
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But you're not alone. You've already mentioned you have friends, you know, and things like that. But I would argue that at times he makes you feel even lonelier than you are, especially when he is disconnecting from you and spending quality time with his actual partner, you know? Mm-hmm. I just think, I really don't think him saying anything is going to really do it.
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And have you been feeling this doubt for the better part of a year or has that crept up recently?
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So you got back together, and then moved across the country for him?
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When you moved across the country, you immediately moved in with him? Correct.
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I mean, no one changes that much in that short period of time. So there is just that kind of rule of thumb. Silver lining, I mean, I guess you could look at it as, you know, your boyfriend's still relatively young and you never want to have to like break up with someone to get him to like respond. But, you know, not everyone responds the way you want them to when you decide to leave.
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And then, you know, you're right. You know, sometimes you get back together, things will fade. I think the big that always happens, right? Like. Whether you break up or not, but there are, again, periods of connecting with your partner. Sometimes there are periods of feeling disconnected.
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It's going to be short-term gratification. Your ego is telling you you need to hear this acknowledgement. But in my experience, it's really not going to do anything for you.
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The big question is, if you start feeling disconnected with your boyfriend again and you bring up, hey, just feeling a little disconnected and whatever the reasons, is he more willing to listen? And respond rather than you having to threaten a breakup again. But that being said, my question to you right now is, is your doubts more about him doing or not doing things you want?
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Or is it generally how you feel about him? Or are you starting to question, you know, it's like, I don't know, I'm 24. is this really my guy? Is this really my future?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
You know, like, and you're just telling yourself it's more, you know, like you're kind of making excuses and putting on him or, or as opposed to if you're more honest with yourself, is this like, I don't know, do I really love this guy the way, you know, or, or maybe you want to, you know what I'm saying? Like we're deep down. What do you think, what do you think is driving this, this doubt?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
If this person is serious about how he really feels about you, if this person really is interested in prioritizing you, then you walking away, setting and then enforcing that boundary of, hey, I'm not going to sit there and pretend that we can be platonic friends. I feel like we have a connection worth exploring. I do not want to explore it while you're in a committed relationship.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
What are the things that you're doing that you feel like he's not appreciating?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And in that particular situation, did you express your expectations explicitly or did you hope that he would meet your expectations without communicating them?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Gotcha. Okay. Question. What are your relationship and life goals, life goals, including potential career goals and things like that? And what are his relationships? and life goals that you're aware of? As of today, you know, I'm curious. I'm curious about, and the reason why I'm asking this question is I'm curious if you guys are in the same stage of life
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
If you feel the same way about me, let me know. But you need to be single to do that. And if not, then I really just I can't have you in my life and that it will be the only way you will actually find out about how he really feels about you and his willingness to prioritize you.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
How much does he still rely on mom and dad?
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You're 24, he's a year and a half younger than you, so he's like 22 and a half, right? That's super young for a guy these days. In general, men are maturing slower than... Men have always matured slower than women. And I just think in 2024, we're expecting a lot less, I think, of young adults in general and specifically men.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And there's exceptions to every rule, and maybe your boyfriend's one of them. That being said, it's just like... If you're going to date a younger man as a 24 year old woman, I think you need to be willing to be very good at stating your expectations rather than hoping they meet your expectations.
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And I think we all, you know, it's like, listen, and we all want to, you know, we don't want to be the nag, you know, and we don't have to want to tell people who want to do things and we want them to want to do things for us. Are you his first girlfriend? First serious girlfriend? You know, so there's a little bit of learning here on his end of, you know, it's his first type of thing.
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So there is that. Now, that doesn't mean you need to do that, so to speak. But, you know, you got to kind of ask yourself kind of what you want now and where you want to go, so to speak. Yeah. a lot of the things that you're expressing, I think it just are kind of normal feelings, but you know I mean, do you love them kind of thing in your heart?
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Do you feel like you really care about this man and love them or are you comfortable with them? I mean, there also must be a draw of him coming from a rich family and there's that. I mean, I don't know.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
I agree. And the thing is, is that I have and we have tried that a couple of times.
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Well, I love to say when it comes to boundaries, I like to invoke Yoda. Do or do not. There is no try. You don't try to enforce a boundary. You know, you just do it. Enforcing a boundary is not a mutual effort. You know, you can't say we tried. That's something you do. And he either respects your boundary or he doesn't respect your boundary.
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Specifically this argument. I just mean like you asked him a question about parental leave, right? And it sounds like that created some kind of disconnect between the two of you. And you mentioned like, was he joking? Like, I guess I want to stay on this.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
I mean, I'm nitpicking here, I guess. But yeah, I feel like you both played a role in that disconnect. Right. Like, so, you know, I get why you asked your boyfriend. That makes sense. You know, it's like, here's my boyfriend. You've been dating for three and a half years.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
You guys know you're young, but, you know, I'm sure for you, 24 feels old because you've never been 24 before, you know, and relatively speaking. Right. You know, you ask him a question, what he thinks about a topic that he quite honestly doesn't even probably even have that strong of opinion. His answer was to give you what he knows best, you know, kind of his role model, his hero is his dad.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
So his answer makes a lot of sense. I'm I don't know. My dad did this. You know, my dad's a pretty good dad. I feel like I had a good childhood. So that's what I would do. You know, times have changed. I also think like, honestly, questions like those in your in the position that you two are in are kind of like they're only going to create fights. You know, you guys aren't family planning.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
You don't even know if you want to have kids. Now, I understand to a certain level, these are types of questions that maybe you want to ask to see what kind of partner they are. And everyone's situation, you don't know what position you guys will be in. I run a company. I don't get vacation days or parental leave or things like that of a lot of people.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And then he has boundaries, I'm sure, whatever those are, what they may or may not make sense to you or anyone else. But he has his and then you can choose to respect or not respect his boundaries. Boundaries are not something you do mutually unless maybe from two parents to a child type of thing. That's the only time the boundaries are mutual, right? you know, type of thing.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Now, I pride myself on being a very attentive husband and father. but like, you know, I didn't like leave, I didn't like leave work for a month. I did a lot of work leading up to try to like give a leave myself and taking time off.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
I also have, you know, I can come and go, I guess on some level when I please, but like I was able to still get work done and still be there for my wife and baby early on, but it's not, I, you So everyone's situation is different.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
I think what you're looking for is the reassurance that you will have a partner that will sit down with you at whatever time you guys need to sit down and figure out what you two need for whatever those needs are and that you feel comfortable and safe to say, hey, I need this right now. And then you're, I'm guessing, looking for you know, a response.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
It's like at the end of the day, babe, I want to do what you need me to do. Right. You guys are getting into like a debate. And honestly, when I was 22, 23, 24, I got into a lot of those types of fights with my girlfriends at those times.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And, you know, but part of it is honestly, is you guys, you know, not to sound like you guys are, it's part of growing up, you know, you guys are figuring things out. You're, you're still at a relatively young age.
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But in a couple, you each have your own individual boundary and it's up to you, the individual to enforce it.
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but it does seem like sometimes you create up conversations that like, it sounds like he maybe not know what to say or what type of, what you're looking for. And then he doesn't give you the response that you want. Then you react to that. And then he's kind of trying to shut down the conversation. He's like, what are we even talking about here?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And I feel again, when I was your age, I did have a lot of those debates and conversations and, So I think part of it is, you know, one, it's, I think it's somewhat normal. I think you guys are both kind of learning, you know, it's your early in dating. You're trying to get to, this is kind of how you guys get to know each other, but your thoughts and feelings are going to evolve. Yeah.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
I don't know how to communicate that to him besides being like, don't speak to me again. Cause it just feels so harsh to me because of the depth of our relationship. Just being like, I'm never going to speak to you again. Just seems extremely harsh to me and not like, you know, doesn't give any meaning to the relationship that we had.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
I'm not sure exactly. Yeah. I could see, I could see if I, if I were to be able to like watch this conversation again, where I could see a world where I, I was like, Hey, I could see maybe you shouldn't have said it that way. And then maybe I could have a note for him or whatever and things like that.
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My guess is you buy are both playing a role into these kind of arguments that really don't impact you guys all that much. It sounds like directly. Yeah.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
What does I mean, that's the thing you got to ask yourself, what does really matter to you? You know, now I like we don't. We care about what's in front of us. We care about our daughter. We care about our connection. We care about our families. Neither of us are very political. She can do what she wants type of thing. And I think we're pretty aligned as well.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
But at the same time, I just know as a young man, I cared about a lot of things that I don't give a fuck about now. It's like I have an opinion. And I think there's a difference. I think you realize this. You know, as you get older, there's a difference between having an opinion about something and caring about something. I can have an opinion about anything.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And I'm pretty good at having a strong opinion. And I can give a pretty, like, hot take about kind of anything. But caring, keeping it with me, hanging on to it, needing to be right, wanting to have an argument with people, making sure people hear my point of view. I mean, like...
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
95% of the things I quote unquote cared about or more, more accurately wasted my energy on because I wanted to be right. Or I felt like I needed to be heard. And you know, I just, I don't give a fuck anymore because it really doesn't show up at my front door. And I don't mean to sound like stupid,
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
selfish right you know but yeah you get older you care about your family you care about what's really that your day-to-day problems your immediate concerns part of you kind of you know as as two i say single you're not you know but like you two only really have yourselves to care about you know and so when you're young you you can have the benefit in the time to care about other things that really don't impact your life all that much so i think part of it like what sounds like a lot what you are feeling and going through with your boyfriend is generally normal
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
I don't really have an answer for you whether it sounds like this is your guy or not. I will say in general, I think men, as you know, are not as good as multitasking as women.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And I think You know, even though society definitely accepts and quite honestly, there are going to be more and more women in the workforce than men just because women are being college educated at a much faster pace than men these days. That being said, I still think there's a natural need for men to figure their shit out.
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before they can really be focused on their relationships and things like that. I've always had the intent of being a great partner, but I think I am capable of being a much better partner now because I am not trying to figure out what I should be doing with my life. And now, I mean, I spend a lot of my energy and time focused on work, but the motivation is for my family.
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Why does this relationship need to have meaning if you're not going to ultimately get what you want from it?
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And so even me going to work and working has a purpose that I didn't have. When I was younger, my purpose was like I was trying to make my dreams come true, and I didn't even know what my dreams were. And I was trying to make a certain amount of money because I thought I should. but I didn't really have a purpose or a focus or a goal. And that felt very unsettling for me.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And so a lot of my energy went towards that. I always wanted to have a girlfriend. I often did have a girlfriend in my 20s. But, you know, and quite honestly, sometimes I felt like I spent too much energy focused on relationships where I maybe could have spent more energy focused on my career.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And I think it is harder for people your guys' age to try to do both, honestly, especially this day and age. 30 years ago, you two would already be engaged or married and you guys would kind of figure your shit out, right? But now we don't expect that of our 20-year-olds these days.
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It doesn't have meaning. Then what's the point?
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Our 20-year-olds, we're telling them, all right, now that you graduated from college, now's your kind of time to travel and be selfish, try a couple different jobs, maybe in a couple different careers. And when you're 30, hopefully you have yourself figured out whether it's your career or what you want to do with your family.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And I think that's kind of the generalized societal expectation that we have. And him coming from a wealthy, accomplished family, he probably has a little bit more pressure to do That as well, you know, so there's that he's, you know, facing and dealing with. Maybe the answer to your question is to maybe you don't need to figure it out right now. You don't know if you want to have kids.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
I mean, I don't know. I mean, what do you mean by meaning, I guess? Like, I guess what is like my the point? I don't know what the point of this relationship is if he chooses to stay in his relationship. But I would hope that the point for you would be you would learn something from it, you know?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
So like your biological clock maybe isn't as ticking as loud as maybe other women your age who are 100 percent certain. You know, at the same time, you know, I think your big concern is like you don't want to like you want a boyfriend. You don't want a boy who's a friend kind of thing.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And on one end, you have to recognize that your boyfriend, it's his first relationship and there is some training on the flip side. You don't want to be his mom. So, you know, you're there's no clear answer for you. you know, sorry, I don't know if I'm being all that helpful.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
i i you know and i think you could find those moments where you could challenge him in a way that doesn't feel um emasculating like testing condescending you know but like the move is a perfect example like either you what you could have done is one up front been like hey i really need your help here i'm moving like for you quite honestly across the country so like
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
you know, as you started looking, you could say, hey, I want you to be more involved in this. Can we do this together? So that could have been something you guys could have done together, shared that experience. He didn't do that and you didn't communicate that. So the second best option were for you to have been like, hey, man, I was really bummed that we didn't do this together.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And then this is where the quote unquote, like challenging him is like, you know, listen, like, I love that your dad is your role model. And I think it's great that you have someone like that to go to for advice, but like, I want to see you like step up for us and for me and be there for yourself and, and take the initiative and like, you know, challenge him to grow up a little bit.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Sometimes you don't want to say grow up, but,
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And that learning from it might be to be careful about developing a friendship with a man in a committed relationship, knowing that, quite honestly, especially in adult life, most men aren't developing friendships while they're in relationships.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
We just have to recognize that, you know, I would do this isn't like a measuring stick. I mean, you can... True. You know, you might have different love languages. You might have different personalities. You could be more extroverted or introverted than him, yada, yada. Like you're different people. You know, you come from different family backgrounds.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
That's significant, especially in terms of like, how you guys would handle yourself in different situations. I'm guessing you probably had to be a lot more independent a lot earlier in life than he ever had to. Right. And, you know, he's a very privileged young man who like, you know, his parents decided to like, you know,
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Paying for your 24 year old, 22 year old son's groceries is definitely a choice. And it's a choice his parents are making. And I guess if they can afford to pay for his groceries his whole life, you know, true. But like, that's a choice. It's a choice that I don't think I'll be making for my daughter. I very much am grateful of the childhood I had.
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unless they're looking for something that they're not getting out of the relationship, but you know, full well through this experience, them doing that doesn't necessarily mean they're going to leave that relationship. It just, it might mean that you needed to learn this lesson. I mean, honestly, that's, that's all our experiences in life are meaning.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And that childhood included my parents like getting by. And I, you know, at a very early age, I understood that my parents would do their very best to get me what I needed. And they did a great job of that. But things I wanted, I had to get a job even as a eight or nine year old to buy whatever it was. And so I understood the value of need versus want.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Wouldn't shock me if your boyfriend struggles with that because a lot of the things that he's wanted and needed, his parents have always kind of helped him out, you know, and he's never, you know, and that's, that's, and maybe his parents that is still did a great job of teaching a work ethic in him. It sounds like he's a pretty motivated young man.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
You know, it's like, there's, there's different, different, there's a lot of different good in parenting styles, but right. So oversimplify, like there's a part of me when I'm hearing you talk, I hear someone who like, quite honestly, you might be better matched with someone who is a little bit more further along in life and their maturity is specifically around relationships. Um,
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
That doesn't mean that you should break up with your boyfriend and go find a 30-year-old man. It just means that you might then need to recognize that and stop trying to have that type of relationship with the person you're with. You have to accept on some level that the person you're choosing to be in a relationship with is a little younger than you. It's his first relationship.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
So regardless of his age, he's inexperienced. And you have to stop trying to get him to play catch up, so to speak. And you have to accept where he is to a certain level. And you're going to have to find that balance between challenging him to step up, grow up, and mature versus...
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Accepting that you're dating a 22-year-old man who's fresh out of college, incredibly early in his career, may not be entirely sure what he wants to do with his career. And, you know, that's taking a lot of his emotional energy and time. And you might have to give up a little bit of expectations, I guess, you know.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
In a way, it doesn't mean you should put up with bullshit or feel disrespected, but like, you know, you're going to have to find that balance, so to speak, you know? And the good news is, since you're not sure you want to have kids, like I said, it's not like you're like, Hey, I want to have, you know, I want to have kids by the time I'm 26, which would have been a normal feeling, you know?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And I might say, Hey, maybe this is not your guy, you know? Like, so.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Like I, you know, you know, like we always want this grand meaning. The only time it means something, if you're willing to learn something, that's, that's about it. You know, uh, And some things happen just because life's unfair, you know?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
My biggest thing for you is, is your boyfriend willing to adapt and grow? as you as his partner? Or is he constantly resistant to evolving? How set in his ways is he? Is he willing to, from time to time, for various reasons, sit down with you and decide as a couple ways you guys want to grow as both individuals and as a couple? Does he go to you? Are you a confidant? Or is it always his dad?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
You know, like, are you growing that connection? I would focus more on that rather than like giving him like... that's a very like interview question. Give him a situation, ask him how you would respond. What would you do in this situation? You know, it's like, Oh fuck man.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Do you think he ever questions his relationship with you?
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Yeah, exactly. Well, I was gonna say two things that I mean, I think that he's opened me up to a lot of things about myself. And so I do thank him for, you know, teaching me those things. That's awesome. So I do appreciate that. And I do acknowledge that.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
not i don't know do you know i mean and it's hard to say i know he wants to have kids someday but do you know not that his answers really matters but like is he someone who's like yeah i want to get married when i'm 30 or is he like trying to get married soon yeah like that's that's a long time away from him right like i think he wants to be like a like a younger dad but like by 30 or something or like whatever
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
It was a transactional thing. So the work part of it was done and then we still maintained a friendship.
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So it is something you want to make sure you're aligned on. I don't think it's that important right now, but, and what, and you have a good relationship with his parents. How, how close are you with his mom?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
But I will say on the flip side, too, kind of what you were saying is that I seem to get myself in these types of situations a lot, meaning having relationships with men that are either in relationships or married or whatever you have it. But that seems to be my kind of cycle and I don't like it. I would never want to be with somebody that cheats on me.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
I'm not hearing me like, yeah, definitely break up with this guy or anything like that.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
I think rather than giving him situational questions that sound like almost like a test, maybe instead of asking him things that you guys could do as a couple to stay and be connected or set goals for each other for your relationship and make sure they're reasonable.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
You know, whatever those goals are, you know, as long as you guys are working towards something, you know, and again, I like that. If he if he if you're both showing a willingness to grow together, that's a good sign for this relationship, especially with you guys both being young.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
if you're constantly butting heads at like some core differences that you have and neither are you willing to budge, maybe you're not as compatible as you want to be. And maybe it's just like, you're just different people, you know, but you won't want to check in.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
You being his girl, you know, you, there's definitely going to reach a point where he's going to question if you're, you know, if there's other fish in the sea. There's definitely a possibility.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Well, you seem to have a generally... Like I have dated other people. Yeah, good outlook on it. I think maybe you might be overthinking a bit. It sounds like some of the relationship problems you guys have are fairly normal for the stage in life that you guys are in. And if you're willing
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
to be patient then this could definitely work if your patience runs thin and he's not showing you the progress that you want to see or maybe your biological clock speeds up so to speak and you start you know having greater relationship demands and he's capable of giving you then you might have to reevaluate that but it doesn't sound like you know does that make sense i know it's a little vague
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Well, thank you for the call. Hopefully this was helpful. Yeah. Um, no, absolutely. Yeah.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Keep checking in with each other. Uh, try not to sweat the small stuff and just know he is, uh, he's still evolving as a man.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
So why am I willing to be the person that's engaging in that activity? I ultimately want a partner and I want somebody to live my life with, but I seem to be gravitating towards these unavailable men.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Yeah. I mean, why do you think that is?
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
I don't know. Um, well, if you can notice a pattern, it makes me feel more desirable. Yeah.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
It could be that it could be that. And maybe it's just like, maybe it's not as even like a nefarious in the sense that maybe part of it is like, maybe it's easier for you to be yourself around people that like, when you first meet them, you kind of told yourself like, this is not a dating partner. And so you're like, this is just a guy who's off the market. So I just can be friendly.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
And then you're disarming and he's disarming. And then you're maybe good at building rapport. And maybe these connections are happening, I guess, in good faith, so to speak. But partly is you're able to be yourself and you're not like worried about, you know, are they going to like you or not and things like that. And then you just kind of find yourself developing these connections with these men.
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E851 Ask Nick - Homewrecking For The Holidays
Okay. And I guess what part are you struggling with?
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And, you know, it's a safe space. And then, yeah, maybe there's a part of it in your subconscious who likes the attention and things like that. It might be a combination of things. But if you can notice a pattern, then again, you know exceptions to every rule.
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But I think when it comes to straight men, certainly above the age of 25, if they're in a committed relationship, they're not making women friends for the sake of needing more friends. You are feeling some kind of need in void.
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Mm-hmm. And the thing is, is that what, yeah, like we said earlier, I, I acknowledge that I'm doing that, but I also feel like I am getting some from him, you know, fulfillment from him, but less and less as more time goes on and more of these issues, you know, arise between us. So that's why I I'm at that point where I,
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The actual letting go of the situation. You know, all of my friends or people that I talk to about this situation are like, he's treating you very disrespectfully. He's not being respectful to his relationship. Just end it, walk away. But I still want to have him in my life in some type of capacity. And I've tried to do that. Yeah. But different things keep happening.
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I think I need to make a change and I think I need to cut myself off from him to to no longer give him that support and no longer give him, you know, more of me than what he's giving to me. I just don't know how to be like, bye. I was not in my nature to just cut people off like that.
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Maybe that's part of your problem. Maybe you're too accessible to people who shouldn't have access to you. You saying you have a hard time cutting people off like that tells me that generally you're probably very bad at setting boundaries or excuse me, enforcing boundaries. You're probably pretty good at setting them, but it's the forcing and follow through that you struggle with.
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Yeah. Well, and with him, it's like we've never set those boundaries or the ones that we did set, we've broken all of them. So, you know.
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Like just, you know, we had this rule early on that. we wouldn't be like, he wouldn't be allowed into my home alone. Like we were like, we're not going to be alone in the same space together. And, you know, he's come to my place several times. We've never been physical. It's, it's purely emotional, but.
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So I think your boundaries. Yeah. I think your boundaries need to be more, I guess, broad. I think your boundaries that you're setting right now, like you're not allowed to come into my apartment are silly and you guys are setting them just so you can break them. And I think that's creating the excitement type of thing. You get what I'm saying?
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Like, yeah, I think the boundary you should be setting is, uh, if I have to set a boundary about not letting a guy into my apartment, then maybe that boundary should really be, maybe we shouldn't be these types of friends. You know what I'm saying? If you need to set that boundary, there's probably a bigger boundary you need to be setting with this guy.
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More than anything, what's really important about this is that like, you don't let this person like affect you to the point where you like, you know, listen, everyone has baggage. You're going to have to deal with this shit some way, somehow. So you don't bring shit into your other relationship. But I've seen a lot of guys get fucked up by women because
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And, like, honestly just become toxic assholes and use that as a justification to, like, be shitty towards women and say things like hoes will be hoes and, you know, all women are bitches or whatever or, like, all women... Like, listen, people... People are fucking shitty. And there's a lot of shitty men out there and there's a lot of shitty women out there and everything in between, right?
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And so, like... I, if my biggest advice to you, like man to man is this, like, listen, like she hurt you and like, you're going to have to figure that you have a lot to figure out, but whatever you figure out, don't be so weak that you allow this person to like, at the end of the day, change your perspective and attitude towards women in general.
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And let this person like, you know, honestly talk about women in ways that like you would rather, you know, if you were still with your girl right now, you wouldn't be like a hose being hose and shit like that.
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you know and i just think you know like don't don't allow yourself to let your anger change who you are and how you treat and act women in general yeah no for sure uh i know i said that but that is definitely i get it yeah you're you're hurting my mom yeah listen you're it's it's affecting i'm just saying i've seen a lot of guys and then like yeah i appreciate you calling me that's a good sign dealing yeah listen everything you told me it sounds like you know she you
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By the way, you know, you got a pretty ex. She's an attractive girl. She's two years younger than you. You know, you're from a small, you know, you're from a small area. I'm from Wisconsin. Remind me of myself when I was your age. You got a lot going for you. Good looking guy. You got a job like you mentioned, you know. So it's like you got to a certain point. I bought a house.
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I should buy a house. And now... It's like, you know, I think a lot of people your age, right? Like I always say, like we in our 20s, we're living up to the expectations we set for ourselves as teenagers. When you think about it in those contexts, sounds kind of stupid.
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But you're also living up to your expectations of like how you were raised and your family and your community and your surroundings. And there's a lot of good, right? Like, I don't know, sounds like you have a good family. You got a good role models. And like we want to model our lives for the people that have been good examples.
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But you're also, you're in a very, you're 27, very transitional part of your life, man. It's just like, there's this weird, you're in this weird area. Like you're, you're older than you've ever been. When you reflect back on you as a 20 year old, you're like, that guy was a stupid, dumb piece of shit. And now I'm so much smarter and wiser and have more money.
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And so you there have that, but you're also only 27 and you still have a lot of life in front of you. Right. And then like, I would say, I agree with your girlfriend. Yeah. you got to this point where you're like, I don't know, I bought this house. We've been dating for three years. And you're like, you should move in.
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And, you know, she was like making all these excuses and you're like, I don't need the money and blah, blah, blah. And like in that moment, what you should have listened to was her saying, I'm not ready to move in. And like, it honestly doesn't, there doesn't need to be a reason, right? Like I tell people, listen, like there's two reasons why people should move in with each other. One,
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you're engaged and or married in your you know like there's a there is an actual commitment to each other or two you're both just fucking excited about the idea of moving in with each other that's it like it shouldn't be about rent and convenience you know and you were ready but she clearly wasn't man you know and like you didn't really want to listen that's where yeah that's what that's what screwed me up though is because she was so ready to buy a house like she was like
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But if you want to break it down to its simplest form, my guess is, is that like at the end of the day, you have a little bit of an age gap between you and her. You have a lot of good things going for you. Right. and you became more established, more secure, you know?
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And like, listen, at least where you are right now, you're like, you're kind of ready to start your life, whatever that life is, right? She's not ready to start her life, you know? And despite everything, you know, and I'm guessing if I were trying to empathize with her, right? If I'm trying to be her friend for a moment, just to understand her a little bit better, my guess is,
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is that like you presented all the things that she, you know, that 19 year old her told herself that she should be looking for and yada, yada, yada. And you're a good guy with a good family and a good job and a nice house. And it's like, why? But like, also maybe she's just like, I don't know, maybe independent her was just not ready to accept that life.
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And she didn't really know how to communicate that to you. You know, you tried your best and like, I don't know, like you, you honestly, the way you told your story, you honestly sounds like you, Hand yourself pretty well. But like, you know, you're probably two relatively young people who couldn't figure this part out, right?
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Because like, you know, you live in this community that like still is rooted in family values. I'm guessing, and correct me if I'm wrong, but like a lot of people, I'm guessing your communities relatively around this time are settling down and yada, yada, yada. I saw a video of her. She's an attractive girl. You're an attractive guy.
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You guys are dealing with the fact that, you know, a lot of people in the community like sometimes settle down out of necessity. Yeah. you're two people like who have options, you know, you got things going for you, you know, and now you're in your twenties. It's like a very, it's a, it's a very like, I don't, I don't, you don't even know, you don't know the answer.
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Should you be settling down now, you know, starting your life or as a pretty, you know, as a guy who has a lot of things going for him, I don't know, man, like, I guess my point is, if you would have told 27-year-old me, you need to chill the fuck out and you need to wait if some archangel came down and said, I got news for you, buddy. Now's not the time for you to get married.
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Now's not the time for you to settle down. I'm not going to tell you when it's going to happen. And I would have been like, fuck that. Everyone else in my life, all my buddies are getting wifed off. I've dated everyone in fucking Milwaukee that I think I could have dated. What the fuck, man? I'm ready.
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I'm not saying you should wait till you're 40, but you don't know what life's gonna bring you, man. You don't know what opportunities and challenges and risks that you can take. I was a free agent, man, and I was able to say yes to a stupid show like The Bachelor. Then I was able to say yes to Move to L.A., and quit my very good job to like chase a pipe dream.
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Whoa, dude, this is like, uh, first of all, I'm sorry. That's that sucks. So like, where are we? Do you have the footage?
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And it all seemed kind of fucking crazy. It was calculated. I had some backup plans. It was thought through, but like my life has changed like in the craziest possible way. And honestly, in a lot of ways, I feel like my life's just getting fucking started. And a lot of that had to do with me not getting my way when I was 27, when it came to relationships, you know?
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And all I only tell you that story is to just be like, listen, man, like there's, you know, you're going to really struggle with letting things happen as a man, as a guy, who's just like, you know, you're 27 and you, it's like, you know, you probably in a lot of ways feel like, fuck man, I've worked so hard to get this far. And now I want to start fucking taking control of my life, you know?
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And you're in that, and you buying that house and you trying to move in with your girlfriend is like, you trying to take control of your life. And you had the, But maybe your life wasn't ready or didn't need to be taken control of. And maybe you just had to let things play out. And my guess is she's giving you a lot of answers.
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And in this conversation, like you said, your instincts, your gut tells you that maybe this isn't the first time she's pulled shit like this. It's just the first time you caught her. I don't think your girlfriend's a bad person. I think she's a bad communicator.
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I think she's a pretty girl who's got some options and she is really like, just not sure if she should like chase the, you know, you're safe and he's exciting. And I'm sure, you know, that's not something to like fuck with your ego or whatever. And it doesn't matter. Like, it doesn't even matter who he is. Right. Like, it's just something different. Right.
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And so she's not in a position to like have a healthy conversation and, But you've made some good fucking choices as it relates to how to handle that. And now what you're fucking with is, like, you blocked her. You said, fuck off. Goodbye. I don't want to talk to you. But she hasn't even... She hasn't really fought for you. And if I'm you and I'm your ego, that's going to fuck with me, man.
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And that's going to, like... And you're not being sure whether you still love her or you're ready to move on or not. Honestly, like...
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The fact that you haven't heard from me probably makes it more confusing, because I would be confused if I were you, and it would fuck with me, and it would just, like... Personally, I think you're better off just continuing down the path that you're on, saying goodbye to this relationship. You know, the fact that she was in your proximity, that just sucks, you know? But...
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She is like, nothing, nothing's changed in her life. That's for sure. Right. You know what I'm saying? She's no less sure you, you handle it pretty well. You were like, you, you trusted, you trusted your gut. You asked for clarity. She couldn't give you clarity. You said, all right, well then I got my clarity I'm looking for. I'm going to make the decision for you. Right. And you did.
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And then she, then she went to a baseball game with a fucking dude and You know, like fresh off of you, like, and it felt like a violation, but that was her answer, man. And she keeps giving you answers, which is to not really fight for the relationship or not really do any work. And like, you are the stronger person in this relationship. And that should tell you something.
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And it's not to be like, not for your ego to be like, I'm better and more mature than her. And I'm, you know, but like, you're not the same level. And like, you can, and again, I'm not saying you're, you're meant to be single for 10 years and you're supposed to go on the bachelor or some crazy shit.
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I'm just, my advice to you is to just accept that maybe you are wrong about what your path should be. And that you don't know what your path is.
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And in the meantime, just make good decisions for yourself. Make healthy decisions. Invest in good people. Invest in your family. Read your Bible. Make sure that you are, you know, not letting this
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person affect you in ways that project that and help in you know the hurt people hurt people make sure that you're not hurting other people because she hurt you and and get to a good and healthy place where like listen she is just one person man she seems like you know to someone she might be a good catch but like she's got some figuring some shit out to do and you know good news you got good you have a lot of eligible years left man like you do and so i don't know what that looks like
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for you but the more you can just be comfortable with being alone be fine that you bought this house be open to the possibilities of what options you even have for this house you can rent it you can sell it who knows man you literally have your whole fucking life in front of you and you have a lot of good things going for you and this is a bump in the road but like everything that matters you still have you still got your family you still got your job you still got your health
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you know, you still got your age, which, you know, you're only going to get older, but man, you are truly as eligible as you're ever going to be. And honestly, you got to have a good, you have a good 15 fucking years left to be like prime eligible bachelor for literally any age group of women. And so might as well just take it.
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You know, I only say that to you right now because I don't want you to make some sort of like hasty decision to like convince yourself you need to go back to this girl, you know, for whatever reason.
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Your ego wants to hear from her. I'm guessing, you know, but like you should like, she's not changing anytime soon. You know what I'm saying? Whatever that was stopping her from saying yes to you and yes to moving in and yes to moving forward and taking the next step. Like that hasn't changed in her life. You know what I'm saying? Correct. And, And she wasn't wrong.
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You know, that's a, that's a thing that we struggle with. Like, right. Is that in the heat of the moment when you were trying to convince her or talk with her and you needed an answer, whatever was telling her I'm not ready was her truth.
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And she can love you and think you're great and know that a life with you would be pretty good and realize, I don't know, man, I just, I'm not ready to be a fucking housewife.
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yeah i wasn't it you know i'm not saying you're pressuring her at all that worked up yeah right i wasn't worked up i wanted it either it was like okay that's that's fine like i'm you know i'm patient i have patience no i know but like you know like you said though once sometimes a relationship gets to a certain point and like i think two people act like you know like in terms what are we doing here we have been dating for three and a half years where is it going you know like
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So it's a, there's no wrong answer. Like the only thing that really sucks is that like, she just was like too cowardice and too immature to just give you an honest fucking answer. And like, I don't know, man, I'm not, I'm not ready for this type of relationship. And yeah, I think we, I think we need some distance, but she didn't have the guts to do it. So you did it for her.
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And then she took the easy way out and, and, and, and, and got a little sloppy and she wasn't stupid. You know what I'm saying? I'm not saying she went to get caught. But like you said, like she, she went out, she was doing, she knew what she was doing. And, and maybe there's a part of her that kind of wanted, you know, maybe she doesn't want to be lying.
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You know, like most, very few people are like narcissistic sociopaths who just don't give a fuck. They're just they just don't they lack the maturity or the emotional whatever the fuck that like allows them to just say, you know what? Fuck, I'm scared as fuck. I don't know. I don't know if I regret this, but I do know right now I'm not ready.
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And yeah, we should probably take some real time apart and. I wish I could be friends with you and I wish I could call you every day, but I know that's not fair to you and we should break up. And I'm really sorry that I made promises to you about getting married to you. And, and if I, you know, but like, I'm sorry.
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And I fucked up and I know you're going to hate me, but like, this is what I need for myself. And she didn't have the guts to do that. She went to a baseball game instead.
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You don't even, honestly, you don't even know that. Honestly, you really don't know that.
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Do yourself a favor by giving her the grace of just saying, honestly, it's like she wasn't capable of it. And you're not making excuses for her because you're not begging for her to go back. She just, she had some growing up to do. I was too blind to see it because I, you know, I decided that I wanted certain things and honestly, you know, fuck man.
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Like when we're in love, man, like we just, we kind of bulldoze through things because we want to get our way and, and, and, you know, and like, so I would just give her some grace. So you can let go of the anger and the hate or whatever, because that just keeps you emotionally invested, right?
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Like, that's the shit that, like, when you're driving, like, you're in your car now, that you just go down this mental rabbit hole, and you get fucking angry, and you start asking yourself some questions, and you're just like, you know, fuck, man, like, there was that one time where she fucking cheated on me then, man, like, fuck. Honestly, who gives a fuck now? You have your answer.
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You know that you know... Regardless of the messy details, your girlfriend just wasn't as emotionally ready for what you guys talked about as she claimed to be. And it probably wasn't malicious. Correct. She probably thought she did and she was wrong and maybe a little self-centered and a little immature about it. And she hurt you as a result, but like, she's not a bad person.
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She's just not your person, especially right now. And this is just how you got here. So like, let her figure out her shit, say goodbye to her. If there's a future for you two, I can confidently say it's not in the next year. And she might need to date other guys or whatever, do her thing.
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And I don't know, maybe in a year you guys run into each other again and maybe she's ready to be like, I was really shitty as a girlfriend to you. And I'm really sorry. And I just want to say that. And maybe there's a twinkle in each other's eyes. And I don't know, maybe something happens then. But I really confidently can say,
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that chances are you guys need some real distance, some real separation or some real personal closure and not closure. You're going to get from her. That's you just being like, you know what? We are done, you know, and this chapter is over. And if there is a chapter for us in the beginning, that's a chapter that really needs to like play itself out in the future.
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Because right now I, this, this person needs to figure her shit out and I can't be here on the sidelines as her friend to help her.
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He told you that you're in hers relationship was over three months ago or you're in his me and hers.
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You have the right to, you have the right to be honest. Yeah.
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But I guarantee you, she does not see it that way. You know what I'm saying? She obviously is operating semantics, you know?
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Do you have this footage? Like, do you have it on your phone?
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Can you send it to Justin? I am curious. I just want to see it. We won't use it. We obviously want to protect people's identity.
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You know, let her know that you're an absolute hot mess of whatever and that you're sad, but you don't, you know, I don't know. Um, what you want is this, you want, you want it to not bleed into other healthy aspects of your life.
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Cool, man. Well, sorry you're going through this. I relate to you, man. I really think this could be a... I was around your age when similar shit happened like this to me. And I look back at that time in my life as a very pivotal time in my life. I look back on that life as a time where I think to myself, I actually finally learned who I was as a person, as a man, as an adult.
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Back to like how you handled it. So like, you know, you haven't talked to her in a month. You blocked her on everything. You just kind of, I'm guessing you're just like, your little brother told you, you saw it, moment of shock, you hurt, whatever. And you're just like, fuck this. I'm done. I'm out. I have my answer kind of thing.
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I'm sure you've thought that before, but I promise you, you're going to have other periods of your life where you're going to be like, whoa, fuck, man. That was, damn, I was stupid when I was 27. You might even say that about 30-year-old you. 40-year-old you is going to look back. You should always be learning. You should always be growing. If you're a finished product at 27, pfft.
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You're, you're not, you know, you're, you're just, you're just a fool. Um, so just keep, just keep being willing and being open. Let life happen. Be open to keep, keep your circle healthy. Keep, keep, you know, take risks, but make healthy calculated risks and good choices. Be patient. Shit will work out, man. I promise.
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All right. Take care. I appreciate the call. Always great hearing from our men. It's honestly no different, man. Like we're all human beings who are just trying to like we we're all trying to like make our our life movie the best possible outcome in general. And we're all just figuring it out at the same time. So that's kind of where you're at right now.
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Absolutely. All right, man. I appreciate the call. If you're, if you're down, I'd love an update like in a month from now where things are at.
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Okay, your twin sister. Are you guys identical? Not that that matters.
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Where are we in the affair process? Is it ongoing? Who knows about it? Give me the deets. What are we dealing with here?
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Who's breaking up and getting back together? Her and her husband? Oh, sorry.
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Okay. And how much, if any, did the husband know about the back and forth?
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So does he know anything yet? Like, does he know why she left him?
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And what is your sister have kids or anything like that?
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Interesting. They never got divorced though? They just separated?
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So what do you say to your sister right now? Like what's your relationship status with her and like how open do you guys talk about this?
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What do you what is there for each other mean to you?
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So I, you know, I wasn't going to question, I guess, like how, you know. So here's what I'm hearing from you. Like you said, like you and your obviously twin sister, not surprisingly, are very close, very connected. And like you said, you know, your relationship is unique and there's this kind of unspoken or maybe sometimes spoken bond that you guys are always there for each other.
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And there for each other means you guys can tell each other secrets and without judgment or shame or simply just listen without offering any criticism, critiques or tough love or hard advice. I guess in some ways validate and approve of, of things, even if you don't, would that, would that be accurate?
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Yeah. You know, and I understand obviously you calling because your feelings internally have changed, but you're grappling with how to relay that message to your sister, right? That's what I'm hearing.
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Okay, well, you know, that's certainly a valid concern, but I don't know if we're quite there yet. But I think, I guess my question to you is, and maybe, you know, it's a bit rhetorical because obviously you're communicating your problem. But like, how do you feel like this dynamic with your sister has helped your relationship with her as you both have gotten older in adult life?
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And how has that relationship and that dynamic helped you guys as individuals being each other's closest confidants?
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I don't think it's helped me much. And again, I'm not here to judge you. either of you in terms of how you've helped each other, but do you think it's helped her?
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If you are her closest support system confidant, and again, I'm in no way blaming you, but she has come to you, and over the course of, sounds like this has been going on over a year, over a course of an extended period of time, she is operating in a way that you very much don't approve of, It's affecting your relationship. From an outsider looking in, she is blowing up her life.
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And now maybe her current husband and her high school sweetheart or whatever, maybe they're just not each other's person long-term. That's definitely a possibility. But whatever she decides, she's clearly going about it in the most toxic way that is not only affecting her immediate relationship,
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with a person that regardless of whether she wants to spend the rest of her life with him she is hurting this man in ways that like we quite we we currently don't know the damage that she is doing or will have done to this man his psyche his emotional health his ability to move on heal whatever like she's only giving a about herself and it's gotten to the point where right now you are afraid that your your relationship with your sister
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may never be the same going forward. So again, repeating that question, how do you feel like this current dynamic has helped her? I mean, cause you're not a therapist, right?
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Like she doesn't pay you to give her therapy and she's not paying you for her mental health, but like, and you know, but like clearly you listen and you're there for her and I'm sure she gets things off her chest, but it is not resulting in her making healthy decisions for herself or her relationship with you or her relationship with her husband. And so, you know what I'm saying? It's like,
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In my mind, this relationship dynamic isn't serving either of you, right? And it's become a bit, you know, well-intentioned, no less. But I don't know, to me, being there for people, especially in adult life, requires more than just, you know, this understanding that we will simply be, we will listen without any shame or judgment.
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You're a human being, so you can promise your sister all you want, that you won't judge her, and you may do your best to hide how you feel, but you know, you are judging her, right? You internally, you know, and whether your sister knows that or not or feels that or not, it is happening. And so you are in a way not being honest with your sister either about how you feel about her actions.
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And so now you have this dynamic where you've kind of agreed to just listen without judgment, but like, ultimately you're judging her inside. You're feeling more and more disconnected from your sister, you know? And again, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, if you're looking for answers of how to approach this, right?
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Because I'm guessing you feel like you're stuck between a rock and a hard place. And like, here you have this dynamic with your sister, this relationship, this understanding, this unspoken bond with your twin sister. And then she's also like making these choices and you feel like, well, what do I do? You know, like I, Do I completely change the dynamic? Or do I address this?
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Or how do I handle that? And I'm here to say, this dynamic has stopped working for you guys. As you guys have grown into adulthood, uh, and discovered yourselves and, and realize maybe things that you want. Clearly your sister is discovering herself into her early thirties as someone who's been with one man her whole life.
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And while I empathize with like how that might be affecting her, these feelings, she's clearly making choices and covering for her choices and justifying her choices. And she has you aiding and abetting her choices, uh, While you don't necessarily want to be doing that, that sounds like what you're doing. And that has indirectly caused you two to become further apart.
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And so I think when you look at it that way, I hope that makes you feel less obligated to this dynamic that you are worried about changing.
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Yeah, it sounds like maybe your sister has a lot to unpack as an individual, maybe. I mean, you know, like, she's obviously acting like the victim in a situation where she's the destroyer. You know, like, what can I help you with? Like, where are you at?
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Well, you know, that was kind of what was coming to mind. My question I was going to ask you was like, how often have you really told your sister? No.
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Well, sometimes, you know, listen, I have a young daughter. She's 13 months. Love her unconditionally. You know, I don't know. Not that it's a competition, but I bet I love her just as much as you love your sister. Right. And like part of loving my daughter, you know, is is I'm going to have to tell her now, you know, lots of times. Yeah.
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You know, the whole like, oh, you know, you're she'll give me the eyes and whatever. But like, you know, saying no to someone doesn't mean you don't love them.
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That's her problem. But I'm telling you objectively, regardless of what you think or what your sister thinks, it's a fact. that you can love someone deeply, care about them deeply, and tell them no. And I think it's a little toxic for anyone to think otherwise.
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And if you feel like you can't show love to someone you say no to, then something about that relationship is wrong or needs to be fixed or broken.
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Yeah, I could see that. I mean, there's something going on with your relationship. The more you talk about it, that seems off to me. Well-intentioned, no less, but like off and like not serving either of you. And now here you are playing therapist. You're not a therapist and you can be a good friend and certainly a great sister and a good sister-in-law.
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And you can have the best intentions, but also be careful, right? I'm sure you feel it too. You feel too involved, too lost. You're not sure what side you're on, if you're on any side at all. You're connecting with your brother-in-laws in ways that, honestly, your sister should probably be connecting with. It's just all very confusing.
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Not to mention, I can't imagine that you said you have a boyfriend. This is a virus, a toxic virus that just spreads like a disease. Yeah. And you are, you are part, you are, you've, you've caught the cold so to speak. And so again, you can be well intentioned, but like you are caught up in this, you are part of this drama. And I think you need to be very careful as well as tension.
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And, you know, and like, obviously that's why you're calling in, you're asking for help. I commend you for doing that. But like, you know, my advice is just also be careful. I think, I think you need to start sending some healthy boundaries with both of them more specifically.
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Yeah. I feel... Listen, I don't know your sister. I don't know you very well. This is obviously a bump in the road. That's for sure. You know? I think... I'm sure you heard me say... It's just like... There have been... You know... Not maybe to that degree. We've all had times and periods in our life where we're going to look back and be ashamed of the person we were.
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And maybe that's this bouts of narcissism, selfishness, self-centeredness. Sometimes we just get so caught up in our own bullshit that we come across to many people like your sister seems to be coming across to you. And again, definitely not a therapist. I'm not even in a position, even if she was here, I'm not in a position to diagnose. But like, I don't know.
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I'm going to just go ahead and bet that like your sister didn't magically become a narcissist. Right. And that like it's not as if right now you're looking back at your entire relationship and like for the first time ever seeing your sister in a whole new way and realizing that since the age of like 10, she's kind of been the narcissist, you know, and she's like some sociopath or whatever.
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There was a time in my life that I just wasn't as happy as I am today. I just wasn't where I was at. I wasn't my best self. And that was really because I wasn't getting the sleep that I needed. And then I discovered Helix Sleep, and then the game changed. I mean, really, when this show started, I was not sleeping on a Helix mattress. And quickly, Helix said, hey, we need to help this guy.
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That doesn't seem to be the case, right? You know, so she's going through something and, you know, certainly demonstrating narcissistic, you know, she's only caring about herself. So listen, I'm optimistic that she can work through this, but to work through it, you know, you two might have to go through some periods of major reform and that might require you to what you feel,
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You say, yo, if I don't have my sister, who am I? This is also an opportunity for you to rediscover yourself as an individual. I don't know what it's like to be a twin or have a twin or that bond, and I have no doubt it's very special and something that you two have that most people who aren't twins don't have. That is not an excuse.
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to look the other way or ignore bad behavior because you guys have such a bond that you need to basically be there to enable each other and approve of bad behavior in the spirit of being close, you might have to say, I don't know who you are anymore. I don't like who you've become right now. I believe in you as a person.
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I'm glad you're working through this, but I'm no longer going to listen and approve of things. And if you want to be in my life, get ready to start hearing exactly how I feel. I will always unconditionally love you, but I definitely do not like who you are right now. I don't like what you've become. I don't approve of it. You can say things like, I'm just, I don't know.
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I don't know how direct you want to be, but you have to, you know, without name calling and trying to hurt her, you have to start being honest with her.
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In my opinion, this is more about friendships rather than a brother or sister relationship dynamic. but I know there's a lot of friends out there and I see it more with women than I do with men, but there's a lot of friendships out there. When you break it down, the thing they're most there for each other is to keep each other's secrets.
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And I know a lot of, I know a lot of ladies or I've met a handful of ladies that like have friendships like that, you know, and that's what they value most about the relationship. When you break it down, they're there just to like
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you know, they have that one friend who pulls some shit now and then, and they can go to, because everyone kind of needs to tell like one person, even if they're doing things they don't totally like, like about themselves, because they want to find someone who can like kind of justify their choices and their, their excuses, you know, and, and things like that, you know, but I don't know, to me, that's not a friendship and, and, and, or, you know, and so,
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So that like, here you are talking about toxic relationships, borderline dangerous relationships that you are a part of. And your sister knew every ounce of it, every truth of that relationship and did nothing about it other than just make you feel like hurt.
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You know, that's what she, and honestly, it's like almost as now she's like cashing in her, her chips as I were there for you when you were making your self-centered, selfish or self-destructive choices. Maybe they weren't even self-centered. Maybe they were coming from a place of pain or, or whatever, but like, whatever the reason she now feels like you're supposed to accept her choices.
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And so, To me, you're right. Like you can't fix your sister. You can't fix them. You know, you can try to be there for them, I think with limitations, but you have gone so far, you know, like they're inviting you to therapy. Yeah. Yeah.
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Or maybe you just need to find... I do listen to a lot of... Maybe you need to find a different... Sure, but maybe you need to find a different therapist, you know, like maybe, you know, it's like doctors are different, mechanics are different. You don't just start with one, give it a couple of shots and then quit if it doesn't like... Yeah.
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Oh, but clearly you have a lot to unpack, you know, like, you know, there and also therapy isn't the end all be all. I do think sometimes people can over therapize themselves. I think sometimes you need like therapy. Sometimes you might need to take breaks from it. You know, maybe you need to find a new gym, so to speak, a new trainer, you know, a new therapist, you know, like.
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It's not like, oh, I'm not saying are you in therapy as if it's the end-all, be-all, but clearly you have a lot to unpack and work through and discuss, and it's affecting you and your life and your relationships, and you're not seeing the forest through the trees. You can't even set healthy boundaries with your sister, let alone enforce them, and it's affecting your life. Right.
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you know giving you some sort of fake therapy session like yeah the short answer is you need to make some drastic changes in your life when it comes to your relationship with your sister and your brother-in-law if i were you i would kind of cut it off i would you know reach out to both of your sister and brother-in-law and say i can't keep doing this i can't be your guys's therapist
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And you can let your brother-in-law know, like, listen, I'm saying the same thing to her. I'm not trying to leave you on an island. And you can give him your last bit of advice that you might have, which is like, I don't know, he needs to be open to leaving her, in my opinion. The fact that she still works with this guy, until she stops working with this guy, it's never going to be over.
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So, well, maybe there's a little bit of a breakthrough, but like, you know, listen, man, it's a, it's going to be a tough journey.
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It will be harder before it's easier. But you gotta think of, this is your sister, right? So I don't know how long both of you have on this earth, but let's just assume it's a bit. You're both really young and you have to think about your life together, not what your life is next week with your sister.
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You gotta think about life 10 years from now because maybe your brother-in-law will be in it, maybe he won't, but she'll still be your twin sister. I bet you'd be willing to sacrifice a handful of months or even years if that meant that you and your sister could be closer than ever for the rest of your lives. But she needs to figure her shit out.
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I'm sure on some level, though, her reaching out to your mom felt a little good because it was like she, you know.
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If I were you, I would start looking for a therapist. I would give it a shot and be picky. Right. Like, you know. It might take you a while before you find a really good therapist. In the meantime, even a bad therapist will hear you out and let you just unload on them instead of unloading on your boyfriend, unloading with your sister or some other friend, and hopefully you'll get some good advice.
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But you need to know, regardless of what your therapist, your next therapist, good or bad, or how you connect with them, that you don't need a therapist to know that you probably need to stop this type of behavior and you need to distance yourself from this toxic situation and you need to set some healthy boundaries with your sister. And setting healthy boundaries with anyone,
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is never a bad thing. Even though, again, like I always say, I don't care if it's your twin sister or a coworker, setting a boundary with someone is limiting their access to you. And you usually do that when their access to you has become toxic. And no one likes a boundary set for themselves because whatever they're getting from you, they like it and they want more of it.
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And that's why you feel compelled to set a boundary because they now expect it. They feel entitled to it. And that's why usually we have to set boundaries and say, no, you can't have this anymore. And no one in the history of the world has been like, oh, yeah, okay, cool. I'll start. I don't know.
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Maybe sometimes people realize they've been getting something for free for too long and they're just waiting for someone to send the receipts. But usually it doesn't happen that way.
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My pleasure. And certainly, like, obviously, you know, from an entertainment standpoint, fascinating story. We are we're very invested, but like, you know, very, very relatable. And we appreciate you opening up. Would certainly love an update. Now, I don't want an update so that you can talk about it. But if there is a real update and some meaningful change, we would love to hear about it.
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Because obviously, whether it's a twin sister or a sibling, you know, shit like this is far more common than people want to acknowledge or realize. And there's always something we can learn from it. So like if you make some healthy progress one way or the other, whether it's jumping into therapy, setting a boundary with your sister. And again, fully expect this to get worse before it gets better.
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In terms of your closeness with your sister or, you know, your brother-in-law might feel a certain way when you cut him off too. And I would just say to your brother, like, listen, I, your brother-in-law, I would say, listen, I love you. I hope you know that.
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I would love for you guys to be together forever, but you need to start worrying about yourself because right now, just so you know, I'm kind of in some ways changing my relationship with my sister because right now, while I still love her and I think she's a great person and I see the good in her and I'm never going to abandon her. She is not a healthy person right now.
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And she's a dangerous person to be emotionally invested in and like, you know, certainly work through it. But like my last bit of advice for you is I don't know if this is it for you. Because right now she's making choices for herself and no one else. Right. But you need to stop. After that, you need to stop. You need to kind of have your, a goodbye call with both of them.
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And then you need to like enforce that boundary. And you can let them know, like, I just, I can't, I'm not going to fix this. I can't fix this. And all it's done is brought me into your situation. I've tried, but it's now affecting. And you can be a little more honest with your brother-in-law about like, she's, you know,
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i don't trust her right now i don't think you should either and that's going to feel like a violation from your sister that is the actual truth and you're right when i say i do love him and i do love her and i and like that and that is true and you can tell i mean how else you want to be you can tell your sister that you said that to him i wouldn't lie to anyone stop you know stop playing both sides just be fucking honest say the same thing to both of them and then say goodbye not like real goodbye but you know what i'm saying
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Well, maybe thank your boyfriend for saying some of the same things I've probably said. And like, you're just willing to listen to me because I'm some third party who's not invested. So like maybe give him some acknowledgement and like maybe a little bit of like, hey, I'm sorry. Yeah, because you have obviously alienated yourself and your relationship in the sake of being there for your sister.
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My pleasure. I'm sorry you're going through this. It obviously sucks. But you have a lot of control that you don't feel like you have. And I think that needs to be your lasting takeaway of this. And so stop being a victim in this situation. It's a shitty situation. I understand that. You wish you could fix it on your own. You can't.
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Probably a little bit of both. Tell me what's going on.
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It's also Facebook. I don't know if girls are, you know, right.
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Okay. Well, let me pause you for a second. I got two questions. Well, one statement. Yes. And then two questions. My statement is it's not whatever. Okay. And then my first question is at this point, Try to bring yourself back in your memory. But at this point, what was your intentions with this guy? What did you think was realistic? What was going on in your head? What were you pursuing?
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And two, my second question is, why do you think he was texting you on Snapchat versus calling you on your phone?
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Yeah. Like why? Like you're like, oh, whatever. As if like, it's some sort of like, you know, either you're acting like it's a coincidence or he put no thought into it whatsoever. And it just happens to be what he's doing. It's like, it doesn't really mean anything. When you say you, whatever, it's like this loaded statement of all these like assumptions and projections.
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And I'm asking you like, why, why do you think he was Snapchatting you?
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Right. All right. So he said that I'm saying today, as of today, like you're, you're saying it as if he was manipulating or being insincere or lying. Are you, is that how you feel today in this moment about those things he said?
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which one that like you're any of them but some of the shit you've told me he said to you like it just made me feel like like now you're i guess you know it's like your event you know you're telling your story but you're also like you clearly have told the story to a lot of people uh you're you know um yeah yeah and i yeah i hear it yeah obviously that's what we were friendly
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But, like, now you're telling me this story, right? And you're just kind of, like, now you're on a roll, you know? And now you're just, like, just venting and just putting it out there. But, like, when you... Do you hear yourself say the things that he says to you? Like...
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Do you think he's joking? Do you think he's joking? Do you think these are jokes?
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Are you, let me ask you this. Are you joking with him when you're asking for clarity about this heart or why he's texting you only on Snapchat or just some of his, some of his behaviors that you don't fully understand? Are you joking when you bring it to his attention?
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Okay. So like what makes you think he is joking in response?
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And do you think that's truthful? Or do you think that's him, like a six-year-old, trying to get out of trouble?
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All right. So I want to ask you the same question. What is your intention with this guy today? I asked you that question, what your intention was when you first started talking with him, but like, what are you trying to figure out and to what end, right? Like, are, are you,
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It's been like four months, right? And in those four months of communicating with him, have you ever felt in a place of peace or on the same page with him? Yes. You have. And describe that time. And for how long?
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Did you know where, did you know exactly where he stood in terms of how he felt about you or what his intentions were or whether he was talking or not talking to other women or your relationship status?
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Do you think you're about equal to your peers, your age, or do you think you're more or less mature than other 26 year old women you hang out with?
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That's an honest... Yeah. And what about... Like, do you think guys in general are more mature, less mature?
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Okay. Well, listen, here's the thing when it comes to your, in your predicament, you have this kind of weird dynamic as I see it. Right. And this is just my opinion, but like, listen, like kind of what I was getting at. Certainly there's exceptions to every rule, but in general, yeah. Like, especially in your twenties, I think twenties where you see the biggest difference, right?
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OK, so we have the video now. I'll play it and then we'll cut it out. Full HD? HD, bro. That sucks, man. That must have fucking ripped your heart out. And so, okay, so then you found her a couple days later, and then you've blocked her ever since, and you haven't really spoken to her since?
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Like, I guess my point is like all teenagers are, I mean, what do you expect from teenagers? They're all like a level of immature and even the mature ones like lack life experience in perspective. Right. Right.
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as we get older right 40s 50s 60s like age becomes far less relative and it's really just more about lived experiences and things like that 30s is a crapshoot it really is dependent on people's lives leading up to that but for the most part 20s there's a just it's like a huge difference between other people in their 20s between maturity and lack of immaturity a lot has to do with you know experiences in your early 20s versus a lack of experience and things like that right
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But also then there's this like this truth that like regardless of how much of your lived experiences you have, like generally speaking, most 40 year olds have more perspective than most 20 year olds, even the immature ones. Right. Who are 40. Right. Right. So there's that, right?
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And as a woman who, generally speaking, are developing more emotionally and more mature than men, you have a four-year age gap with the guy you're hanging out with, except that this guy is a D1 athlete. And I think that is something for you to consider because you have this weird dynamic.
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And this is why I think it might be so confusing for you because when you first met, right, you both kind of came in with a bit of power in this relationship. You came into this as a woman who's four years older than him, who acted a little bit different than a lot of the women his age that were like he was, quote unquote, as he said, fucking with. Right.
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He came in as the D1 athlete of the school and the big swinging dick and like the most, you know, the most popular person in a group of popular people as the quarterback. And he has been catered to and treated a certain way and yada, yada, yada. And, you know, he's probably big, tall, handsome and whatever. And like he walks in her room. He gets a lot of attention. That gives him power.
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That makes him feel confident, et cetera, et cetera. And so you have these two opposing forces of, like, betting heads. So when he says things like, oh, you know, you're different than most girls and things like that, it's like, I mean, it might feel, I'm sure it feels good in the moment. Your ego's a little stroked. But, like, it's all bullshit, right? I mean, what does that really mean?
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I think, you know, we get caught up in it in the heat of the moment. But, you know, when you're telling the story and I'm listening, I'm just like, okay, yeah, like, this sounds like a very... This is exactly what I would expect from a 22-year-old college quarterback dating an attractive 26-year-old woman. You know, I would expect these types of conversations to happen, right?
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And when I asked, you know, how long has this been going on for and how confident and secure how you felt, and you're like, oh, no, I've definitely felt confident and secure. And, you know, I don't know. I guess this is debatable. But I honestly think what it sounds like to me is that purple heart or whatever heart that Snapchat gave you was like the...
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the bedrock of your security in this relationship. It was a tangible thing that like, regardless of what he told you, you know, at least on Snapchat, he talked to you the most.
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And then that changed. And that obviously changed the dynamic. Now he's just spinning his wheels and trying to like, I don't know. And the truth is, your question was like, is he manipulating me or am I being dramatic? And I said maybe a little bit of both. And I don't, maybe it's also at the same time, maybe neither. I don't know. He's probably lying to you.
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So, like, now that you're calling in, and now I understand the story and the context, like, what are you, as of today, trying to figure out, like, what can I help you, like, wrestle with? Cause to be honest, a lot of your, you know, your, your instincts seem to be pretty good, right?
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And yeah, he's probably talking to other women. But also there's an element of like, I'm sure there's some sincerity from him when he, you probably are his support system. You probably are. Yeah. There for him in ways that other women or other people in his life haven't or can't be. And I'm sure you do add value to him in his life.
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And that value that you add makes it feel real, makes it feel meaningful for you. It makes it feel like there's something there, that you're not just another chick that he's like,
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You're taking care of his dog. What do you think of him as your son?
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Yeah, listen, I get what you're saying, but you have this, you know, I would say to you, a very unrealistic and very immature approach to this relationship. You know, and you're not the only one, and I'm not trying to be hard on you.
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But like, you know, and that's also I think is the problem with not to sound like the old guy, your generation and dating culture today where it's like you guys like act like you can have this like, you know, you can have your cake and eat it, too. Like you act mature by saying things like, well, I'm not ready for that right now.
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Like, you know, giving, considering your situation and what you're going through and, you know, like you're making generally decent choices, you know, like I've seen people make worse choices. I've made worse choices in similar situations. Um, but you're, you're, you're able to trust your instincts and your gut pretty well given, given the stakes, but like, how can I help you going forward?
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But here you are taking care of his dog when you're not even his girlfriend. And at any point, if this guy wanted to whip his dick out and show it to someone else, he can say, you're not my girlfriend. And he wouldn't be lying. And it's just like, you're playing house. You're just doing your version of playing house.
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And it's become this kind of weird dynamic where sometimes you act like his girlfriend. Sometimes you act like his mom. Yeah. You're his emotional support system. But at any point, he can set a boundary with you being like, whoa, yay, listen, this is getting too far, too deep. And it's just like, that's not a relationship.
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And it's certainly not one that gives you peace of mind and security and comfort. And four months in, I'll say this much, four months in with any guy, I don't care the stakes, his job, his profession, your age difference, you shouldn't be calling into a show like mine with as many questions you have about something that's worth your time.
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Like you said, you're playing cool girl. So like it's an act, right? Like, that's okay. We all pretend sometimes, but clearly like, you know, and like, yeah, you seem to be emotionally regulated, but like you, you playing cool girl is you again, justifying your and his choices and this talking yourself through, um,
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his behavior and the things that don't make sense to you and you talk to yourself mostly and sometimes your friends to work through his confusing behavior so you can get to a place where like it kind of makes sense so that you can keep this shit going yeah my friends were pissed because you really honestly you're in the back of your mind you're like well he's 22 and you keep making excuses for him and he's in his very like the truth is he is 22 he's an extraordinarily transitional part of his life
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As a D1 quarterback, I don't know what school he plays for, how big or how good he is, but despite him being at the level that he is, it's still an incredible long shot for him to get drafted. And even if he gets drafted, it's even a little bigger of a long shot. But I have no doubt he probably has these dreams and aspirations, and he's aiming big for his life, as he should and good for him.
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But for the next, I don't know, eight years of his life, I can promise you this much, you will not be a top priority. You just won't. Right. And like you have, you know, it's not like you're his high school sweetheart where you, you know, like a lot of young athletes marry early and like, you know, sometimes it works out. Sometimes it's not. You never want to be like Russell Wilson's girl.
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I don't know if you've ever seen that video. Like when he got drafted, she's like, I won the lottery. And then like before his big deal, he divorced her. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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And it doesn't, it honestly, that he's like, it honestly, I guess it doesn't really matter. It doesn't matter. Cause like either way, it's going to fucking hurt because either he's a piece of shit or a great guy, either way, you're going to fucking hear him. Right. Um, you know, so like, you know, It doesn't make a difference. All right, but go ahead.
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Yeah. But now and now you're lying to yourself. But like you. Yes. At first, you were honest for a brief moment about the reality of your situation. And then henceforth, you were lying to yourself about what he said and what he meant and how sincere he was or yada, yada, yada.
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So let me ask you this, you know, and there's no wrong answer here. I want to be very clear about that. Take your ego out of it. Take your pride out of it. Are you still like on the fence contemplating like, do I figure out a way to work this out with her? I don't even know how or what that looks like, blah, blah, blah.
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Or you took what he said and you manipulated it and change it into something that you could accept rather than taking it at face value. And you have used your quote unquote maturity as a way to honestly manipulate yourself. Like you're clearly an intelligent person. And you know, like, listen, like I think obviously this is coming from tough love and I'm not trying to be hard on you here.
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But like your question was, is he manipulating me? Is he gaslighting me? And it's just like, we lie to ourselves way more than we lie to anyone else. I say that all the time. No one talks to you more than you talk to yourself. And you know, your ego is internal. And like, listen, you're lying to yourself constantly every day. We all are. But like, it's just easier for you to play the victim here.
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You know, it's just easier for you to act like he's manipulating you. But again, you saw him for who he was in the beginning of this story. And you have tried to do like mental gymnastics to keep it going. And it just, it feels wrong, which is why you reached out to us. And it's why you're calling because your gut is telling you, this is not what I'm telling myself it is. And why am I still here?
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And it's only been four months with this guy and it ain't going to get better. His life has never been more chaotic. So he is definitely, he's going to feel less in a position to give you more. He's going to feel more justified to ask more from you and expect less from him.
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I mean, listen, my answer is path of least resistance, right? Obviously, you don't need to be dramatic. You don't need to blow this guy up today. He's not your boyfriend. He's not doing anything wrong. You're in this situation because you made choices and you accepted some of his asks, right? So there's no reason to be reactive or whatever. So figure it out. Take care of the dog. He's obviously...
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You know, he's going to be selfish. He's going to ask a lot from you. And like, whatever you feel is reasonable, just placate. Once he has the dog, I don't even think this requires some big sit down. You know, you're not, again, you're not his girlfriend. You're not his mom. You're not his therapist. You don't owe him anything.
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But I, you know, I'd still fucking love this girl and I wish it didn't happen, but blah, blah, blah. Or are you just like, you know, listen, I've moved on. I'm not over her. I'm still like fucked up a little, a little broken, but I do know like she is not my person and I'm just trying to move forward. Which one's more truthful?
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He's going to act like you do, but you can just simply just, it can be a casual phone conversation. You know, it can be like, listen, I, it's like, I, I have a lot going on too. And I just, I can't be taking care of your dog. And like, you're just not in his interest. You're not in a position to be a boyfriend right now.
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Even if you wanted to be my boyfriend, I know that you, you have too much other going on. And honestly, you would be a fool for you to like bring a girlfriend into your life. But like, I, I am 26 years old. I am looking for someone in my life. And like, you're just not it right now, you know? And it makes me sad. I think you're a great guy, you know, but like, this is, yeah.
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Whatever. Again, but you're fine. Yeah. But like, so fine. And I don't know if he's going to hear it. You know, this is not about, you know, you're asking, is there a good way? What you're really asking, is there a perfect way to say something so things resonate with him? I don't know this guy and what I do know about this guy, chances are he's very resistant to not getting his way.
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Right. So like chances are you're not going to say the thing where it's going to like the light bulb is going to go off and he's going to be this mature guy. Again, he's going to fight for the things that you give him. You give him a lot. Right. But like you're not asking him for anything. Before it was I want you were asking for something and that was the truth. You wanted the truth from him.
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You wanted to find out who was Snapchatting. You wanted to get some clarity. You're not asking for anything anymore. You're letting him know. And it's not about Snapchat. You have come to a different decision. And that is you have too much going on right now. Honestly, you should be talking to other girls. I shouldn't have asked for that. Obviously, I think you're a great guy.
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You have a lot going for you. I love being around you, but I have to be mature and recognize that what I want for myself, you are not. you're too busy for. And like, you should be, you are making good choices. Like you, you should, like, I'm not, I don't want to ask you to choose between your job and me.
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Sometimes people do like there are, there are relationships out there where it's just like, listen, man, I don't know. I'm not getting what I need. And you're a workaholic and like, you're never at home. And I feel fucking alone in this relationship. You're not in a relationship, you know?
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So like you're playing house and you're just like, I just, I just can't, I don't want to do this anymore. And like, I'm, I'm just looking for something else. I don't want anything. There's nothing you can say or do to change my mind because you're not doing anything wrong. I just realized I need something different and I don't want you to fight for me and I don't need you to fight for me.
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You should fight for your, like your job, your, your career. You're 22. Chase your fucking dreams, man. Like I'm rooting for you.
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Yeah. And like, you know, in his competitive spirit, he won't even know the difference between like, is this a challenge? Does he love you? You don't, he, again, that's where his immaturity will come out.
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And you have to be mature enough to recognize that his reaction will be about him, not about you. And you're, and you have to make sure you let your ego know that.
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He'll call you names. He'll say a bunch of things. Maybe he'll spread rumors. I don't know. I do not know his level of immaturity, but you're going to have to accept that, anticipate that and let your ego be okay with that.
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Like you said, is being your friends probably if I can love this shit, it's great. You know? And like, you know, your friends right now, the friends who want you to buy the boat, right? Like they can't, they can't even be honest. You go to your friend and be like, Hey, should I buy this boat? And your friend's like, yeah, it actually sounds like a lot of fun. We would have so much fun.
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And they're not thinking, can you afford it? Like, is this a good financial decision? Is this going to like create emotional distress for you? You're just, they're just thinking about how much fun the boat is.
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But if you were capable, which I don't think you are, and I don't think you're going to be, and that's not something that you should try out. But if you were capable of truly not giving a fuck and saying no to be like, no, I'm not going to watch your fucking dog. You shouldn't have gotten a dog. If you were capable of being in more position of power with this guy, then I would say have some fun.
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When you, if, if you actually move forward with ending it, don't make a big thing of it. It's not a production. Don't be dramatic.
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Thanks for calling. Please give us an update on when and if you do that and how that went.
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Sounds good. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.
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But let me ask you this, to be clear, has she, for the most part, accepted your decision? And that decision is to like block her, be done with her, you know, like to your point, you know, when you, you've ran into her, it's not like that resulted in her banging your door down. She acted like she didn't know you and she knows where you live and like, right. I mean, she hasn't.
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Okay, well, here, I'm gonna say this to you first before we unpack what you're trying to do. And this is honestly more, if I give you any advice on this call, I hope you listen to this advice. She fucked you up, right? We've get fucked up before. She hurt you, you've had a lot of plans. She cheated on you.
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And also, I'm guessing her version is different because it sounds like there was this kind of, are you together, are you not together? I don't fucking know. Uh, but listen, you felt like she violated your trust and like, you have the right to feel that way. You've talked about self-embeddement. You talked about reading your Bible and yada, yada, yada.
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Yeah. Yeah. I don't know why people pretend not to care as if like not, you know, it's like, you know, when you really don't care, don't care. But if you care, I care. Of course I care. You're my friend and I care about your well-being. And it makes me sad you're doing this. And if that hurts you to hear that, well, it should. Because that means you're not a sociopath.
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And you guys now work at the hospital together? Right. And who's the boss?
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As far as your partner goes, do you want to talk about it? Do you not want to talk about it?
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but I think you should respect your partner.
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Well, why do you think, I mean, do you want to go there or not?
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How upset do you think your partner is going to be?
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But you're doing it. Does she know you're on the call with me right now?
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Well, she did say that. Okay. So you think she's on too much on the internet?
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The podcast, the podcast. I think a lot of your problems come with your delivery. Yeah. I could see that. I mean, you know, and welcome to having a relationship, you know. I think your partner is right. Your wife's right, right? Like, on some levels, like, good for you for doing this thing you thought would benefit you. You can't expect your wife to, you know... also do it.
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I literally this morning was like, Hey Natalie, I'm thinking of doing an 86 hour water cleanse. You want to do with me? And she's like, absolutely not. You know? And imagine if I was like, well, why not? Like, it's going to like add five years to my life and blah, blah, blah. And like cleanse my liver and you don't want to cleanse your liver, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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You know, I could have made a fight about it if I wanted to, you know, like there, there's a version of me, like 20, you know, three-year-old me would have found a way to have been like, well, why you don't want to take care of yourself? You know what I'm saying? Or my intentions are good. I want to I want to do something with my wife.
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I want to I want to do something that benefits us and maybe improves our mental health and our physical health and blah, blah, blah. But like, I can't expect her to do it just because I want to do it right. Um, so there's an analogy there on the flip side, you know, obviously social media is not the same. Getting off of social media is not the same as doing an 86 hour water cleanse.
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I think all of us could stand to limit our social media a little bit on the flip side. I think when you want to do things with your wife, stop making it about, again, your feelings versus her feelings. You, you approach these conversations with you versus me. I'm doing this. but you're doing that. And what I'm doing is better than what you're doing. And I think you should stop doing that. Right.
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And she admitted to you that she is doing it to her friend.
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And, Whatever it is you're talking about, whether it's social media or eating cereal late at night or an 86-hour water cleanse, when you deliver it that way, it's going to say, I'm better than you, and you're wrong, and I'm right, and you need to stop doing that. And anyone on the other side of that is going to feel judged, and they're going to get defensive.
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And they're going to be like, but you do that, or blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then it's like, but this, but this, but this, but this, but this. And then you're just competing over who's better.
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But listen, it's just about, you gotta, it's just we and us language.
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Yeah. But it's just, it's about you and it's, it's about using we and us language. You could say, Hey, listen, babe, obviously, like, you know, I've been struggling that it has been beneficial for me, but listen, like we all could be off our phones less. But when you say things like... And you have to be careful about the language. Like, it's rotting your brain. It's like, okay, okay.
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Like, leave me. All right, come on. That just sounds so judgmental. You know? It's just... And then, if you were going to say things like, oh, you're always on your phone, which I'm on my phone a lot. I am. I'm on my phone way too much. I am on my phone for work. There is that. That is justifiable. I could definitely limit that. But when Natalie's like, you're always on your phone...
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if I see her on her phone, like, especially if we're watching a show together, it's our show and I'm on my phone, she'll call my ass out. Oh boy. When she's on her phone, I'm like, you're fucking, you're a fucking hypocrite. You know, like, so you better make sure you're off the phone a lot. We, you know, because if you're going to come at her, you know what I'm saying?
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So like, instead of making it about a, you're doing this and I'm doing this and you should do what I'm doing because it's better than what you're doing. You're just like, Hey babe, like, listen,
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Obviously, I've been sitting on my phone a little bit, but could we try as a couple to, whether it's you watch Housewives, listen to a podcast, whatever, can we have moments where we both are off our phones and then staying together or connecting?
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Because if you're watching Housewives together and you're choosing to stay off your phone, but she's on her phone, you feel like you're kind of alone in the room. And that's a valid feeling for you to have. Yeah. But if it's like, why are you on your phone? It's like, that's a little more like, you know. But anytime Natalie's like, hey, can we be off our phones?
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It's a lot easier for me to say yes, because we're doing it together. And it's not, I'm better than you. It's, let's be a couple. And if you have two people who generally enjoy being a couple, it's much harder for that other person to say no to you saying, let's do something together.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
Well, I'm here to help. Most of our problems, and it comes with friendships or relationships, is how we communicate our frustrations. Nothing that you're feeling is invalid. It's just how you're delivering that information. And that information is not being received in the manner in which you want. It's kind of like you're speaking Greek. She's understanding it in Spanish.
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you know, but she understands a little bit of Greek, you know, so she's hearing some of it, but what she's hearing is not how you intend it to, and then so there's a lot of miscommunication type of thing. And so, yeah, you just have to focus on before you... knowing that you have a habit of making it about your feelings.
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And when we do that, it's like anytime we center our feelings as the conflict, then it makes, again, it puts the other person in a position of being defensive, kind of subconsciously invalidates their feelings. So it's like, well, I want to do that. You know, you described your wife's job.
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I'm guessing on some level she just wants to, like, turn off her brain and go online and read stupid fucking shit and not think about numbers and financial problems and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And she doesn't want her wife, you nagging at her while she wants to shut off her brain.
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When you say she's your best friend, like are you, you said, but you also said she kind of has cut you off. Like is she in your life right now?
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But sure. But this is not about you, her being right either, and you being wrong. It's just about how you're delivering it. Because while, yes, she has the right to veg out, you have the right to say, hey, babe, go do your thing. When you get done with work, go veg out for an hour. But when we do something together, whether it's take a walk, whether it's have dinner, whether it's watch our shows,
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Could we do it together off our phones? Because it doesn't feel like we're doing anything together when one of us or both of us are on our phones. And when you say it about the two of you and you use we and us language, it's way more received. And it's about doing it together. So you two are, I think you guys like to compete a little bit more than you realize.
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And you guys, you both have to acknowledge that. And you both have to have a commitment about being on the same page and doing things as a team. And how can you help each other out? Your partner, your wife should be interested in helping you since you've had surgery, since you're a little, you know, kind of,
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enabled for a temporary period of time she should want you should say hey i need your help i'm feeling a little isolated i'm feeling a little alone i feel more alone when you're on your phone i still i don't want you to stop you from having fun but can we find a balance you know so that we can still do things together and when she's doing her thing on her phone then you have to have your thing and and leave her alone i think you crushed it well thank you you're welcome i'm amazed
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
Well, it's unfortunate that your wife's going to have to wait a week or two to hear this episode, but you can let her know. Hopefully, this doesn't start a fight when you tell her that it got brought up. It won't. Maybe you could say, when you get off the phone, when she gets out of lunch, to say, hey, I just want to... I want to apologize for how I delivered my frustrations.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
I would like us to work on being a team better. And I need to work on how I communicate my frustrations to you. And I don't want you to not have your time. I want us to help each other out and be willing to listen to the other person and do things as a team. Don't even get into it. Just say something like that.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
Great. Yeah. And then it's very, you know, you got to be firm, you know, you got to lead with love and set a boundary, you know, with her and you got to enforce that boundary and let her know that like, it breaks your heart too, because again, you believe in her.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
And then when it comes to your partner, we, in us language, again, also don't make it about how it's affecting when it comes to your partner. It's how, how is this affecting us should be your first question.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
Yeah. Not about you're making me feel a certain way. When you lead like that, it just makes the other person feel like they need to be defensive about that. Cause it's like, no one wants to be accused of hurting their partner's feelings.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
All right. Well, good luck. Thanks for the call. Please follow up. We'd love a follow up maybe with your wife.
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What do you mean by less than impressed? Like, why would you even be impressed? And why do you think she was expecting you to be impressed?
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So who is pressuring you to get an abortion?
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And who is this person to you? Just someone you had sex with or are you in any kind of relationship with this person?
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Well, first of all, I just want to congratulate you for being pregnant. If assuming it sounds like you're, how do you feel about it? I mean, I don't know, maybe I shouldn't be congratulating you.
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Again, we're not debating whether you should have or not have this baby. You've made this decision. I'm glad that you have made whatever decision that's right for you and you feel good about it. That being said, I want you to have your cake and eat it too, so to speak. Are you feeling like having this baby will no longer allow you to meet your professional dreams?
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Even if she was having an affair with her other friend's husband? Right. Are you friends with this other friend?
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and having this baby like i think that it can all be possible eventually in an unconventional way what is this per that what is he doing with his life right now other than just like he wasn't planning on this and he didn't want to be in a relationship
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How significant is his health concern in terms of, not to get all morbid, but are we talking a fatal life condition or is this something he's just going to have to live with and he has every reason to expect he can live a full life despite this thing he's dealing with?
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Okay. And so how did you respond in that moment?
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Yeah. I mean, when you said, or when you had the serious conversation, I guess, what did you say? Like, how did you communicate your less than being impressed?
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I mean, where does mom come into this equation where she feels like she has an opinion on what you should do with your body?
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Well, so it was your fault because prior to having sex, you didn't sit him down and make it very clear that.
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And I'm gonna go ahead and guess that you probably, quite honestly, didn't give it much thought one way or the other, just like he probably didn't give it much thought. He wasn't, did he ever ask before he put the P and the V? Just before I just want to check in, if you got pregnant, did he query? He did not query. Did he even know your stance on abortion?
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
Obviously. Yeah. Yeah, of course. Crazy. We can't control what other people do. I guess really my advice to you is feel good about the decision you're making. It's your decision. From my own personal experience, granted, my experience is very different than your experience. I am in a relationship. I do feel good about that relationship.
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It is a decision we made together that obviously helps, that obviously makes it easier. That aside, having a baby has been an amazing blessing for both of us. The fact that you do have the support system that you have and you feel you don't really aren't you aren't giving any vibes of stress about like, oh, I don't know how I'm going to be able to do this.
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Like all you've communicated is that this is not necessarily the way you imagined it for yourself. But that's different than being literally worried about like, I don't think I could do this, which is a valid concern for some people who do get pregnant, right? But fortunately for you, you don't have that concern. So I think this is going to be an amazing blessing for you.
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I think this is going to be the best experience of your life. And I think you're going to love this child. And as soon as you lay eyes on this child, I don't know if you've been lucky enough to hear a heartbeat or anything like that. All these moments are going to be the best day of your life. It's going to be incredible. I don't doubt that.
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I don't know what it's like to be pregnant, but certainly Natalie had her peaks and valleys. There were definitely moments of like, I can't believe you fucking got me pregnant. This is the worst. I'm never going to get pregnant again. Obviously, ever having a baby, it seems like, you know, the body and chemistry and I don't know how nature all works, but...
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it's changed Natalie's perspective in terms of like how she felt about it. And now she felt great about being pregnant and yada, yada. But that all being said, my experience has been incredible. And I understand, again, it's not identical to your experience, but I have very much a, I get to mindset when it comes to being a dad. I get to do this. I get to raise my child.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
I get to wake up in the middle of the night and take care of her. I get to. And all the get-tos I get to do aren't always glamorous. But quite honestly, the beauty for me about being a parent is that the more difficult I get-tos are more meaningful. You know what I'm, does that make sense? You know, the, the, the more of a struggle it is, the more of a, I, I, you know, I don't know.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
I feel like I have more purpose now. Granted, I have the benefit of like my biggest love language is acts of service. And there is no greater gift to someone who has, whose love language is acts of service is to be a, because you get to be of service to your child. And like, there is no greater feeling of love. for someone whose love language is acts of service than to be a parent.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
I don't know where acts of service falls in line for you, but I would embrace that mentality of I get to, and I think it goes a long way. As far as baby daddy and baby daddy mom, you've given them more than they deserve in terms of hearing them out, I guess is what I'm trying to say.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
No, you're all right. Don't be nervous. Take a breath. There's nothing to be nervous about. Why are we nervous? We're not even. We're just talking.
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That was very gracious of you to give her 90 minutes of your time to have her tell you how self-centered you are for wanting to bring life into this world. And I think that's a beautiful thing. It's your body, it's your choice, and you have chosen to have this baby. And
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Just like it would have been fucked up if you have chosen to not move forward with this pregnancy, it would have been fucked up for his mom to have an opinion about that. It would be just, you know what I'm saying? It's just as fucked up for her to have an opinion when you want to keep that, keep the baby.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
Yeah, I mean, selfish people are very good at calling other people selfish. That here is a man who has his struggles and his struggles seem valid, but he is very much focused on his struggles. He is thinking of himself. You are literally thinking of another person, your child, and the life that you have the opportunity to bring into this world. He can choose not to be a fatherless child.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
That is his choice. That doesn't make you selfish, you know? And I don't wanna get into the semantics of like, you know, this isn't a conversation about abortion and blah, blah, blah. I can tell you from my personal experience that River has been a part of my life since I opened the drawer of our kitchen with a pregnancy test in it. And it's weird, as a father, I don't have that same connection
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
Don't worry. I'm a fan, too. We're just having a conversation. We're just having a conversation.
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with river that natalie has i didn't grow river in my body you know like natalie did when like oh you're about to do it's very different as a father but it's you know and so when i found out now he was pregnant like it is a weird thing to be like all right well so like what's next you go from this like crazy news to like well all right so do you want to get dinner tonight because like nothing's really changed she doesn't feel anything nothing's different it's just like this huge
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thing that you know is happening, and it's kind of like a, I guess, hurry up and wait. But as things progress, as you'll get more pregnant, or as Natalie got more pregnant, or when River was born, in my brain, I think about the first time I heard River's heartbeat all the time. I think about the moment River was born all the time.
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Every time there's a new day with River, and she shows me something different, and she just shows a different side of her personality, I always connect it to like, when she entered into my life. And now that she's in my life, she's been in my life since I opened that drawer. That's just my personal experience. I'm not telling anyone how to feel about that, but you have a life inside you right now.
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And because you made the choice that you made, life will continue to grow. And you're about to literally sacrifice your body and sacrifice some of your dreams to give this life. And I don't think anyone is in a position to call you selfish. Certainly not him. He doesn't want to be a dad. That's his choice.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
He's calling you selfish because he thinks it's selfish of you for making him feel bad for not wanting to be a dad.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
So his accusation of calling you selfish is because you're not thinking about him.
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And because you're not thinking about him, that somehow arbitrarily makes you selfish.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
You know, Natalie had a dad. He was a bit of a deadbeat. You know, there's a lot of daddy issues that Natalie is open about and talks about, but I'm guessing she would choose to exist rather than to not.
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Yeah. I mean, what do you know? I guess my opinion is you need to stop getting this person's opinion. I think you should say, listen, I've made a decision right now. Like you can call me what you want. I hope you change your mind, but if you don't, that is okay. I don't need anything from you right now. I hope that as time goes on, You reflect and you make different choices.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
And if you don't want to be in this child's life as a father, that is a choice you're making. Don't put that on me. I'm about to make some huge sacrifices for this child. And that's my choice. You don't get to call me selfish for that.
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But honestly, I'm actually telling you to say things that I don't even think you need to say because I don't think you need to waste energy getting into conflict with this person. All you really need to say is, I've heard you. I understand your point of view. I don't agree with it. I'm going to move forward. I don't expect anything from you.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
If you change your mind, I'll always be here and I hope you do. And honestly, I care about you. I mean, I would love to explore a future with you, but I'm making this decision for me and for my child and no one's gonna do anything about that.
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And I'm not gonna allow you to make me feel guilty and I'm not gonna allow you to add stress to my life because right now my biggest priority, despite you thinking I'm selfish, is this childhood.
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I think you're just going to have to let it play out. Because what you're describing is someone who's just convinced himself he can't be a father and he is seeing it as can't and not he doesn't want to. But that's all in his head. Right. I can't speak for his mom and I really don't give a fuck about her. And, you know, she's just thinking of her son, which I guess parents will do.
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And yeah, he is the father, but he doesn't have the right to tell you to not have this baby. If you want this baby. Uh, I know it's a complicated subject because I don't, it's a, yeah, it's again, it's your body. I don't know. You know, it's just like what, you know, um, if he, if he was the one getting pregnant, he would, he would feel differently. I'm guessing, but he's not.
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So I don't know what to say, uh, you know, to that, but yeah, As far as what you hope for him, I guess, because that's what your biggest question is, is, as I always kind of say, lead with love. As much as you can, you try to empathize with him without admitting any wrongdoing on your part because you're not doing anything wrong. You know, I understand you're scared.
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I understand this is not ideal for you. I understand this is not something either of us planned. I am sorry I'm making a decision that you don't agree with. But I do care about you. I don't know if you love him or not. However you feel about him, be honest about it. And I think we could have a great future together. And it's a matter of perspective. This could be the best thing of his life.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
Wait, she likes the toast better than she likes us?
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Again, I am someone, my situation is very different than yours, right? But I'm also someone who's like, I've had a very cool life. I really have. It's not how I planned, but like I didn't have a kid into my 40s. Right. And as a result, I have been able to be incredibly selfish.
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And as a result of having the ability to be selfish because I really had no one else to worry about but myself, despite me wishing I did, I was able to do a bunch of fun things and crazy things. And set myself up for the future, which is great. But nothing has been more meaningful than being a dad. And it just gives incredible meaning and purpose to someone's life who's maybe looking for that.
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And maybe it could give them that as well. And so I think you just have to leave the door open, so to speak. And allow him to vent and be this angry person and not take it personally. Because if you choose to empathize with his plight, then you can empathize with the fact that he is scared. He is worried. This is not ideal. And a lot of stuff he is saying right now is coming from a place of fear.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
So I'm going to choose not to allow it to affect me or hurt me or judge him for it because he's scared. And then you just kind of leave the door open in your mind for the possibility that he might come around.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
Well, you have to remind yourself that you don't need to defend yourself at all. And if you say, I am sorry, it's, it's one of those not real apologies. It's a, I'm sorry you feel this way, you know, but you're not sorry for the choice you're making. And you need to make that clear because it is your choice. And, and you wish your kid would have a present father.
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And if you don't want, and it's his choice, if he doesn't want to be that, but your child, you're going to make sure that your child's going to be okay. Despite maybe potentially having the trauma of, of having a father who didn't want them to exist. You really need to try to not fight fire with fire as much as you can to not throw stones and to not throw shade and to not make him feel guilty.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
Just say, hey, I hope you change your mind. I care about you. I want you in my life and I want you in my child's life. But that is your choice. And if and ever you are ready and you feel differently, let me know. But I'm fully committed to doing this. No one's going to change my mind. And you need to stop having anyone, including you, reach out to do so. I don't want to have to block you.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
All right. Well, I'm sorry you have to deal with this. I know it's not ideal, but just focus on the positive. There's so many positives here and you really need to focus on that. Focus on the fact that you feel really good about your support system. You feel good about your financial situation. You know, the village will help you, so to speak, raise this child and hopefully he comes around.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
All right. Well, let us know. I mean, definitely would love a follow-up as, as obviously as this story unfolds. Yeah.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
Okay. Well, full disclosure, I'm not an expert when it comes to addiction and I don't know much about interventions or how to start them. So I don't know how helpful I'm going to be when it comes to like, all right, these are the five things you need to do. With that being said, like, how can I be helpful?
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
Okay. And how much have you communicated that with your husband?
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Okay, well, you need to do that, right? So my biggest concern for you is, you know, you just got married. I want you to protect your marriage, right? And like, as you know, his brother obviously has this problem, but you two only have so much control over your brother's choices in life. And when I say so much, it's probably very little.
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Is she? I'm really concerned. Is she listening to reality recap? I think more than anything. Yes. Okay. Thank God. Thank God. Okay, good. All right, let's talk about your friend for a second, then maybe we'll tap into your wife here. Really, as far as your friend goes, you said something that I think you should be conscious of, and this is regardless in any relationship that you have.
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So I'm glad that your husband's coming to you and asking for help. And I think this, the message you need to convey with your husband is one, Thank you for asking me for help. I'm really glad that you trust my advice and that you come to me. And that means a lot to me. So thank you. One. Two, like no matter what happens, let's just promise we're going to get through this together.
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I want to be as supportive to you as your wife, you know, knowing that this must be very difficult, knowing your brother's struggling and like, let's just be a team and have each other's backs. no matter what too, right? Three is communicate. This is like, listen, I want to help, but obviously, you know, we just got married. I'm a little nervous about overstepping what my place is.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
I obviously have background here, but like your husband can't read your mind, right? And he's there to love, support, help you out, have your back, especially when it comes to his family. And you're right. You're valid. Your concerns are valid.
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You don't want to like step in and been like, all right, let me tell you how we should all handle this because I had a, an alcoholic ex, you know, it's just like, you know, that's what your concerns are, you know? And so you could, you should be able to say to your husband, it's like, I want to help, but I also just want to be respectful of my place. What do you think is best?
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How can I, you know, cause quite honestly, your brother should lead this charge. You could be a resource. Like you shouldn't be the one like running the intervention, right?
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But you should be able to offer advice to your husband and direct your husband, whether it's how should he engage with his brother, how should he engage with other members of his family, to also try to help and intervene with his brother, to be clear. Your husband asked for help. His family didn't come to you and ask for help.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
So part of you is worrying about something that hasn't even been asked of you yet. Yeah. And you certainly wouldn't be overstepping as a wife because your, you know, your husband asks like, Hey, help. I need your help.
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You're there to support him, but it's more, we will do this as a team, you know, but yeah, it's, you can voice your concerns. Like, for example, there's, you know, I do what I do. There have been certain times in our relationship, Natalie has maybe asked me to say something to a member of her family for, you know, not something like this.
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But there have been times where I've pushed back and said, you know, I'm happy to help, but I just want to, I'm not sure how effective it will be coming for me. And I'm not sure it's my place. And I also like to me, I'm also, you know, I've said this to Natalie, I also want to protect my relationship with her family.
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I don't want to be the bad guy, you know, coming in here and like, you know, it's one thing to give tough love to the people who call in, but it's another thing to give tough love to your in-laws, you know, it's like, who the fuck are you? Yeah.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
So I understand your concerns, but the important thing is your focus needs to be in helping your husband, not helping his family or his brother. You're there to support your husband in any way that he needs. And if he's asking for your help, then you have the permission that you need to support your husband because he's literally asking for your help. Your husband's right. And you're right.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
When you found out about your friend having an affair, your response was about how that made you feel. So you made it about your feelings. Now, I get it, and that makes sense what a lot of people in your position do, but when you're like, I can't believe you did this to me. I felt like you chose him over us. You left me late at night, yada, yada.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
And also like, you could say like, are you, you know, you're not parents yet, you know, but it's, it's, it's, it's, I'm sure for some parents, it's very difficult. Like they don't want to, it's probably hard for them to acknowledge or even see the problem. You know, they're probably in denial. you know, so empathize with that need.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
And so the next step would be for your brother to go to your, his parents and say, Hey, there's a problem here. Do you guys not see this? We need to do something. If we don't do something, you know, we may lose him.
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We need to wake up. And what can we do as a family? And that's your, you know, you can be there by your husband's side, but like, that's not necessarily your, you shouldn't be the one delivering that message to mom and dad. Like it definitely needs to be, does he have other siblings?
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
Yep. But how do the two youngest, are they aware of this problem?
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Well, again, if everyone can address it's a problem, you know, like how long are we going to let this be a problem? And at what cost?
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
No, that's understandable. But, but I'm assuming there's things you learned, right? And you can just pass along information. You don't have to like go there, so to speak, but I'm guessing there's just things you learned. You probably are aware of even things I'm not aware of. I don't know, support groups, things like that, you know, just information out there.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
I'm guessing that you've looked into, don't be afraid to be a resource and don't be afraid to be a supportive wife. And I think as long as you focus on those two things, you should be okay.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
And just give your husband the love and most importantly, the support he needs to be the kind of the leader of this family, you know, because as the oldest sober son, who's the most concerned and aware of this problem, while everyone else around is kind of in denial, he needs to step up and do the challenging, difficult thing.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
And he's going to need his supportive wife to be by his side to encourage him and let him know he's doing the right thing. If he faces any kind of resistance from mom and dad or any of the siblings, he's gonna feel isolated, he's gonna feel alone. And that's where you really need to say, we're doing the right thing, I'm proud of you, you're doing the right thing, I know this isn't easy.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
That's where you can be very supportive. Just make sure that your husband doesn't feel alone as he tries to lead this charge, and quite honestly, by himself initially, to try to get everyone else in the family on board to understand this is a serious problem and that their son and brother's life is on the line. And, you know, we have to do the difficult thing.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
These are all valid feelings that you have, but I think it's more productive to, you know, make it about her character and her choices and how it's affecting her and like the type of person she is demonstrating she is, you know, as opposed to you making it about you, right? So then, because you're not really critiquing her behavior, you're just more critiquing her friendship to you.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
And how can we, as a family, support our sick family member?
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
Don't say it like that. That's heavy cereal. Do you get what I'm saying though? It's a lot of this has to, it's down to your delivery here, you know?
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
Don't lead with what you aren't willing to do.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
Has your husband asked you to run the intervention?
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
So other than asking for your help, what has he asked for?
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
As far as your history, what do you mean? I mean, I get that you not being a confrontational person, but do you have any like trauma, like you're unwilling to go there for fear of your own skeletons coming out? Is it that deep or are you just more like a little uncomfortable?
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This is your husband. This isn't your boyfriend. He's not some situationship. You're a married woman. This is your husband. This is a huge opportunity for the both of you to be there for each other. And you need to get comfortable talking to your husband about
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like a wife should talk to their husband, which is you should be comfortable expressing how you feel and not, you know, hey, I want to help you. I want to support you. I have some nerves, too, because obviously, you know, my past, you know, let them know how you feel. I can't do this and I can't do that. All he wants is your support. That's all he wants. He just wants to not feel alone.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
He wants your advice. And you should you should love that he wants your advice. You should love that your husband is interested in your opinion. You both should be interested in each other's opinion. You should always be the first two people you go to in terms of what do you think about that? I'd like your advice. I'd like your help. And you have that now. And you should ask for his help.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
Hey, you know, like that was a very difficult time in my life. And I don't know, maybe the situation with your brother definitely brings up some skeletons in my closet. And you should be able to talk about that with your husband. But All he is asking for is your help and support. That's it.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
So until, you know, until your husband says, hey, can you talk to my parents for me? You don't need to tell him what you're not willing or capable of doing unless he asks you to do the thing. You know what I'm saying? Like you don't, right? Like he hasn't asked you to do that yet.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
All he said is, hey, can I bend your ear? Can I have your support? Can I run some ideas by you? Can you offer me any advice? You can do that. He doesn't want to be alone. And he has no one else. He doesn't have his brother. He doesn't have his parents. He doesn't have his younger siblings. He just has you. And this is an opportunity to bring you guys closer together.
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It's sad that the opportunity to bring you closer together is what's going on. But nevertheless, it can be something that brings you two closer together. But you have to communicate and be open and open.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
I mean, hell, I don't know why you got married, but I'm hoping a big reason why you got married is that for hopefully the rest of your life, you have a partner and a partner that you guys can tackle whatever issues come your way. And there will be more issues that come your way. That's a guarantee.
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And you too want to be, have the peace of mind that no matter what you guys have ahead, that you have each other. This is an opportunity. And I think it's an opportunity you should embrace and not necessarily focus on the negatives or what you can't do. Communicate how you feel. I want to be there as a partner.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
And if your husband asks you to do something that you're not comfortable doing, then you could say, well, you know, I'm not sure if I'm the right person, you know, but he hasn't asked you to do that yet. You know, I want to support you. I have your back. You know, I will stand by your side. And, you know, obviously he needs to be the one to do it.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
But until he asks you to do it, don't tell him what you can't do. And then just focus on what you can do, which is support him. It sucks. He's got his brother who's fighting addiction and he doesn't know what to do. And like you said, it's such a defeatist feeling because if he's not willing to get help, you're very limited in what you can do, you know?
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
And then when you do that, that allows her to focus on her needs. Because you're making it about your needs. You're just like, well, this hurts my feelings. This affects me. This affects our friendship. She could, if she wanted, she could have been like, well, I've just never really had a connection like this, and I really need this right now, and I deserve this, and yada, yada.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
And it feels very, and as you must know, very helpless. So all, and I'm guessing while you were in that past relationship, you felt alone now.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
Right. So, Give your husband what you didn't get in that relationship. And that's support. And that's being by his side and letting him know you empathize with him, but we're going to get through this together. And we have each other.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
And you bringing that energy into your relationship will go a long way in your marriage.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
All right, well, keep us posted. I definitely would love an update on how things play out here.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
When you get off the phone, just send your husband a text and say, hey, I'm here for you. We'll get through this together. You have my back no matter what, and we'll figure this out somehow. That's what you should send him. I love you.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
All right. All right. Sounds good. All right. Take care.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
How can you not be happy for me? I finally found someone to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. None of these conversations about, do you realize you're better than this? Do you not see how this behavior is being very destructive to your friend? How could you do this to someone you call a close friend?
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
And if you can do that so cavalier to this close friend, why should I trust you with any type of serious information? Or why would you be a shoulder to lie on? And it's challenging your friend to hold themselves to a higher standard. So you're not making it about you. As a friend, you can say, hey, listen, because that way you can say, this is really obvious, hard to hear.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
Obviously, you know I love you. Obviously, I want to be there for you. But you're making choices that are very, very difficult for me to support. And quite frankly, I don't support them. And I am just disappointed that you're not seeing how this is affecting other people. And you're right. I see this very common with a lot of friendships.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
I see it more common with friendships with women is that some friendships aren't based off of... People want to have friends to keep their secrets. I see this a lot with women. It's just like, I want to have my partner in crime, so to speak. I want my partner in crime.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
And that partner in crime is just that person who's willing to keep their secrets and support them and not judge them for their shitty behavior. So... If that's the type of friend that she wants, then maybe you aren't friends. But you have to see if that's the type of person she is willing to be, right? So that way you have to have conversations not about how it's affecting you personally.
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I mean, yeah, it is. But the bigger picture is her choices as a human being and as a friend to anyone and her character is in question. you know, the type of person she is. And does she not have any empathy for his wife, who's also her friend? And yeah, you need to point out that, like, listen, I don't want to be a part of this. I can't be friends with someone like this. I want to be your friend.
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You can just say yes. Yes. Why? How could I not? The answer is, of course you would, you know, you should be judging yourself. Like, are you okay with this? You know, like who cares what, you know, but that's what you should ask her. It's like, well, or the answer is like, who cares what I think? What, what do you think about your behavior? Is this who you want to be?
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
You're destroying this person's life. If he wants to leave his wife, then let him leave his wife. If you want to give up this friendship, fine, but don't do it this way. This is a stain on her resume. Whatever happens with this guy...
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
Best case scenario, and maybe I don't even know if it's best case, but she marries him and she won't have to answer any other questions as far, you know, I mean, her family, whatever. But if it doesn't, you know, going forward, let's say it just ends up being a fling and, you know, and whatever. She may lose a friendship. It could affect her job.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
And then going forward for the rest of her life, anytime she has a conversation about have you ever cheated or been unfaithful, she either can lie. Or tell the truth and be judged for it. Neither of her great options, you know. And is this the type of person she wants to be? This could be a very big lie that she either holds on to and justifies.
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If she's able to justify that, who knows what else she's able to justify.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
So you have to be willing to challenge her and not make it about how it's affecting you personally, you know, in the moment. And when you communicate it, the first words out of your mouth shouldn't be like, I can't believe you did this to me. Because, you know, that's not going to get her to empathize with the people around her.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
Then it's just going to be a competition of whose feelings are more valid between the two of you. And that's not what's really relevant here. 100%. Um, that makes sense.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
So I would, uh, I wouldn't go out of your way to, uh, reach out to this friend, but like the next time, next opportunity you have, you know, let her know. Or, you know, again, depending on your comfort level, I mean, you know, this friendship and how you guys communicate, but, or maybe you do text and say, Hey, I just been thinking about what happened and say that it's just like, I just, um,
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I love you. I want to be there for you. But I was surprised to find out that you were doing this. I think you're better than this. And I think this is a mistake you're going to live to regret regardless of what happens between you and him. Like, this is a choice you're going to have to live with and you're going to have to come to grips of how it's destroying other people's lives.
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I still think you, you gotta, you gotta listen to what you're saying. Cause you're still making it about your feelings, you know, which again is normal and I get it, but you have to fight that urge to immediately make it about your feelings. This is really about you not making it about how it's affecting you. This is about the choices she is making and how her choices are affecting other people.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
And you do not want to participate in that. And are you willing to speak your piece and let her know how you feel about her choices And again, as always, as I say, lead with love. Hey, I don't want... Right. It makes me sad that you're doing this. It makes me sad that you're making these choices. You're affecting other people's lives.
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And this lack of consideration for other people is scary behavior. Like you're... It's... I didn't think you were capable of this type of behavior. And that scares me. People make mistakes, but you need to recognize the mistake you're making and you need to stop it. And then you need to do the work and figure out why you were so willing to make this mistake.
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And if you're willing to do that, I'm here to support you and be your friend because I want to believe deep down this isn't who you really are. And I don't know why you're making these choices, but it's not okay. And I love you enough to be honest with you about how I feel about these choices.
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And if all you're looking for is a partner in crime and someone who's willing to keep your secrets so you don't feel judged, I'm not that person.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
Okay. How long have you been friends with this person? Did you meet them at work? I'm just curious.
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There you go. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. So it's not about you caring. You're right. You care. That's exactly what it was. You care. You should care. You should care about your friend's character. You should care about your friend and what they're doing, not only to other people's lives, but to their own life. This is going to hurt her. How? I'm not sure yet, but it will.
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And you have to you have to be willing to, you know, to be there for your friend, not make it about your feelings when she acts a certain way. You can say, well, that hurts me. But like, again, you do care and it's OK to care, but you can care and still set a boundary. Right. And caring and setting a boundary is saying, hey, I love you.
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E863 Ask Nick - My Best Friend’s Affair
And I want to be there for you, but you can't continue to do this. And if you do continue to do this without trying to rectify the problem, then I can no longer support you. And when you're willing to make different choices, I'm here for you, but I am not going to be here to support this law.
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E834 Ask Nick - I Blocked My Best Friend
I can go into the story if you want. Yeah. Who's the friend?
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E834 Ask Nick - I Blocked My Best Friend
Who was driving when this happened, by the way?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Like, yeah, you're thinking about photos and pictures and things like that. But, like, I think there's a difference between saying, I don't think grandpa should come and grandpa's crazy and her dad being like, hey, listen, let's just talk this through. Like, your wedding's going to be amazing regardless. You know, like, let's just focus on that. A lot of positive affirmation to the bride.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
right but like if you're if grandpa doesn't there you know grandpa's honestly let's he's a little sick right now he's not well in the head and that's just i know that's hard to say but like the same way like grandma can't make it because of her health reasons grandpa can't either and that's sad but it's okay and it's not something you're choosing to do easily or like that you don't you clearly we all want him to come but for the sake of your wedding first and foremost you
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And just peace of mind. I would hate for you to have to enjoy it. And I think you just kind of have to give her permission to uninvite him. Because it almost feels like everyone's saying, I don't want him to come. I don't want him to come. And she has to be the person to save the day. And it's her wedding. Empathize with the bride on, I would want him there too.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
She needs to be given permission to not feel guilty for uninviting her grandpa. And so I would maybe focus more on that because I think we all agree that's the safest way. And like, also grandpa in the pictures. Hey, yeah, it's grandpa in the picture. You know, remember that time where, you know, like him in the picture, if he's in the picture, it will be a memory of having to deal with grandpa.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
I also have not seen the photos of me and my, Natalie's grandparents from our wedding. I've seen a lot of photos from our wedding. I have not seen those. They do exist, but I haven't seen them. Maybe Natalie has. I don't know. They're not at the top of your list. They're not at the top of the list. So yeah, I guess that's my takeaway. If you do invite him, basically add that into the program.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Grandpa loses his shit. It's part of the wedding plan, honestly. And if it doesn't happen, great. But if it does, then it won't ruin the wedding because it's been expected.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
But I really think the bride needs to be given permission to not feel guilty about uninviting him. Almost like, you know, it's like, hey, you're not uninviting him. I'm uninviting him. You know, I don't know.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
You know, but I think she needs to like, whether it's the pictures kind of reminding her that like there's going to be hundreds of pictures that might not, that won't be the one that you're focused on. Two, if he gets into a picture, because there's no guarantee you invite him and he even makes it to the pictures.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
That if he makes the pictures, it's going to be a reminder of where grandpa was at at this time. Maybe grandpa is better remembered when he wasn't believing in blood sucking aliens.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Anyway, sorry you're dealing with this. It sucks. But yeah, I think we try to give the bride a clean conscious for not having grandpa at the wedding. And if that's not possible, then it's her wedding. She can invite him.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
How is a conspiracy theorist going to ruin your sister's wedding?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
What do you mean your boyfriend doesn't care about your feelings?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
What was the conversation that you were trying to have that he felt like he had multiple times?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
What is it? What does he think he's doing?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
OK, what is I'm almost afraid to ask, but what I can give you some I can give you more background. What's the conspiracy theory? Is there a specifics and conspiracy theory that she's trying to avoid? Like short of a lot of people going to this wedding who have a lot of different opinions about a lot of different things. Like why? Why is grandpa a threat?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
You're not going to see him all until August?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
How long have you guys been together and how old is he?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And how'd you get together while he was diving?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
I'm assuming that he just was really hoping to have sex before he left. Right. Like that's.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
You, uh, before we started recording you, you had told Justin and I that your, uh, your boyfriend knows you're calling in and is supportive of you doing this and that you made it seem like you both have listened to this program before. Is that, is that accurate? Yeah. What do you think he thinks is going to be said on this call? And what do you think he thinks I'm going to say?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Why was he so unwilling? He's like, is he like available? Like, he's not like underwater right now.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
He really should get on. What's he so afraid of? Oh, you can't text him. You're on airplane mode. Nick says, what are you so afraid of?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
um i mean listen yeah after you text him um i'm glad he's only 26 if you would have said oh he's 35 i'm like jesus um so i'm cutting him a little slack because he's younger right i'm trying to put myself in i you know my very first relationship that's my real relationship
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
you know like as a as a really young man i mean i was i don't know 20 i was in my early teens in my early 20s you know but there were times you know like you said he wants to have sex every day and i'm i'm comfortable with two to three days a week and i understand that was maybe before you started taking your antidepressant medication and changing your mood swings but like i'm here to say two to three times a week for any relationship it's like job well done like that's
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Yeah. And listen, as a 26-year-old healthy young man, you know, his desires of every day, no judgment, totally get it. He's not alone there either. And, you know, it seems like he's physically very attracted to you. So yay for that. But yeah, like every day. Yeah.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
uh granted yours is a you know i'm sure he might say well i don't get to see her that much and we get to you know three months out of the year and blah blah blah blah blah but like you know on on on some levels i understand his plight but like this is the relationship you both chose to be in it has these restrictions compromises do need to be made sure on some level
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
But like, hey, you need to give it up four, five, six, seven days a week, you know, to make up for lost. That's just not a realistic solution to like an unavoidable problem. And that unavoidable problem is that you guys get to see each other three to four months out of the year. And pockets, not even like spread out, it sounds like. So that sucks.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And like having sex three times in one day and 10 times in a week, it isn't going to help you in May when you're not in this, you know what I'm saying, right? So like, I guess all I'm saying is I can understand I remember in my first relationship where I felt like there was a disconnect between us in terms of the expectation of how physical we were, right?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And I think she had less of a drive than I had or whatever. Where I have a problem with your boyfriend's response is him acknowledging you want an emotional connection and I want a physical one. Now, in any relationship, hopefully... There are both. We know the limitations of your relationship in general.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Your long distance creates a challenge for your physical relationship because, well, you can't actually physically touch and Be intimate that way. An emotional connection, well, somewhat limited. That's why a lot of people can start long distance relationships because early on, you know nothing about each other. Like when Natalie and I met, she was living in Savannah, Georgia.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
It almost helps you build that emotional connection faster when everyone's excited about the physical aspect, especially if you're both attracted to each other. The distance creates that space, that forced space. And it's like, well, all I have left is to talk.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
communicate and text and maybe you're sending pictures and maybe you're kind of making things steamy that way or whatever but like that that allows people to really get to know each other because they're forced to talk because it's that's how they have and so you are able to in a lot of ways advance an emotional connection long distance even when you don't have a physical one
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
To that end, I'm sure he feels like we already have the emotional connection down because that's the only thing we get to do when I'm not home with you. He probably wants to make up for the lost time. But for him to say that to you implies that he's not that interested in an emotional connection and that the desire for an emotional connection is just one-sided.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And he needs to understand, and this is where I cut him some slack, Quite frankly, as someone who grew up with a lot of sisters and someone who grew up with a great relationship with their mom, my entire adult life, even from when I was 18 and earlier, I always felt like I was a man who paid attention to the considerations of women, who was a gentleman, who understood women's plights.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
But he has a lot to learn. And I had a lot to learn. Even though I felt like I probably knew more than my peers or men my age. I don't know if he's comparing himself, but he needs to understand. That statement alone suggests he has a lot to learn.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
You thought you felt that way or he felt that way.
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their emotions when this when this topic comes up and i'm why do you think that is I mean, I get he's disappointed about not having sex, but why is he taking it personally? Does he believe? Do you think he believes you?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Has he been drunk before? Does your boyfriend drink whiskey?
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He does? Has he ever experienced whiskey dick?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
No, he's your boyfriend's actions. And the thing he's saying, the way you're describing it suggests that he doesn't believe that it's the medication that's causing your lack of sex drive. You know, whether your boyfriend's experienced whiskey dick or not, but like it's it doesn't take a rocket science scientist.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And I don't think any adult human who has the ability to empathize in general would have a hard time understanding that medication can affect, that medication has side effects. That's what we're talking about. We're talking about a side effects of a medication you're taking. Now, I hope he recognizes that side effects are a thing of medication.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
So that's just like a common sense thing that he needs to get on board with, I would think. But I'm guessing he understands that premise. So the second question is, is like, does he think you need to be on medication to deal with your depression?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
That seems a little more least believable because people do have a hard time empathizing with depression if they don't have to deal with depression because everyone deals with being sad.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
and people who don't deal with depression, I'm guessing, equate sadness to depression, but who have never felt depressed, and then they're like, well, if I'm sad, I just do this and that, and I get myself over it, and I kind of move on, and I just work through it, right? And he is, it sounds like my guess, my guess is he's having a hard time empathizing with your depression.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
I mean, you know, I am surprised he's heard this podcast.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
You know, physical touch is clearly his love language. Right. Good for him. And he has a desire. He hasn't, you know, listen to me. Clearly his needs aren't being met. Um, but I hope holding hands and cuddling is, is, uh, at least does something for him. If physical touch, physical touch, isn't just blow jobs. Thank you. As nice as they may be.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Um, but like my opinion, and this is just my opinion as a man, um, who's only dated women, like, Yes, everyone wants to have sex, right? Everyone wants to feel desired by their partner. And it's no one's job to put out in a relationship.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
But like, listen, if a relationship that both people have an expectation of physical intimacy, if that's not being met, like, yeah, there's a disconnect and things need to be addressed and handled. But because we're talking about the act of sex and we're talking, you know, and with that comes the act of consent and things like that, both parties need to consent. It's like it gets a little weird.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
When you start demanding your partner like perform, if they don't feel up for it physically.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
That's just my opinion. I hope, you know, I don't know. I feel like it's, I think it's opinion shared by many. An emotional connection is like, is necessary for any real relationship. You can fuck anyone. You know, hookup culture is proving that. Like people are out there just having sex. It's like easy to have sex with a stranger. It is impossible to emotionally connect with one.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And anyone in a relationship where two people claim they want to build on something, you truly need an emotional connection. And every man out there needs to understand that is probably more important to their women partners than it is to them. But it doesn't make it any less important for the relationship.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And to your point, whether it's depression in the short term, whether it's postpartum, whether it's just like you both getting old and your body's changing and shit happened and life happening.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And I promise, you know, you're, you know, he will rule the day 15, you know, if God forbid you guys work through this problem and you're still together 20 years later, and maybe you're just like, you're wanting to get some action. And he's just like, I don't know. I'm a little tired. My deck's a little lazy and I'm not up for it. He'll remember this conversation.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Women, I feel like maintain their sex drive much longer and for, you know, the men, but like, not that, you know, that's not, you know, it just, it'll be different. It won't be every day. He will not. Right. He just, he's even like, I'm just tired. Right. You know, but like, it's just my big prop, but all that jokes aside, it's just like, if your boyfriend truly believes that,
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that it is fair to withhold physical, emotional intimacy and an emotional connection until he gets a physical one, then your relationship's doomed.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And he is incapable of being in a serious relationship, especially a long distance one. And for him to essentially hijack an emotional connection and hold that hostage because he's not getting what he needs, I just forget about who's right or who's wrong. There's no way this relationship's going to flourish.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Yeah, you're just talking in circles, and like... Listen, again, part of it is his disconnect of there's something, even if he says he believes you, his actions say otherwise. Because it shouldn't be like, I get it, he must think you're hot and beautiful and You know, he's doing his diving thing and boy, like, you know, I don't know.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And maybe it sounds, he kind of, I'm guessing his career, his profession is very like, he's working with a lot of rigid, rough men, I'm guessing. Yes. And I'm guessing they're all coming back with their stories about having all this sex with their wives or girlfriends or women or prostitutes. Who got, who knows?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And he comes back to me like, I had sex twice in three months, and my girlfriend hates having sex with me. So I can get where he's coming from. I can, but it definitely doesn't make him right. He can have a reason to feel upset, but it doesn't make him right in the context of this relationship.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And maybe he's not caring about what his friends are thinking or saying, but there's a lot going into why he's acting the way he is.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Sounds dark, yeah. It's a shame. We live in weird times.
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Maybe not at 26, you know, I mean, to be clear, his current job, and I don't know how long he plans on doing this and him quite honestly being 26. isn't conducive to develop and grow a long distance relationship. On the flip side, I could argue that maybe he would disagree. You know, I would love to have him here. You could tell me.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Um, but I also wouldn't shock me if a lot of the guys he works with are in committed relationships because the lifestyle in general is challenging and it makes it difficult to like date around, um, Things like that. His job probably makes it hard for him to be a fuckboy, even if he wanted to. And so he probably enjoys the companionship that you offer when he's out there diving.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
It's just that he is expecting, I don't know if there's another word for it, to get laid when he's home. But I would argue, or guess at least, that his desire to be in a relationship is a little selfish because one, I mean, we already know he's, he's, he's like, well, if you're not going to give me this, I'm not going to give you that he's negotiating with you. Right.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And this sounds like some crazy, crazy conspiracy theories, right? Like you mentioned human trafficking, right? I'm sure some conspiracy theorists Let's say we're listening, you know, like, sadly, human trafficking does go on. I don't think it's aliens or people in Hollywood sucking the blood and blah, blah, blah, all that crazy shit. It kind of reminds me of that...
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
That is not the actions of someone who is just like fully committed to being in this relationship. And just like, I love you. I choose you. I hope you choose me and let's promise that we'll always figure it out. We'll always, you know, when we feel disconnected, we'll try to connect. Obviously you two are disconnected.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
You're trying, you're at least what you're telling me, your version of the story is that you're trying to find ways to connect with him. And your version of the story is he is just like, no, you know, I'm,
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Well, that's interesting that you say that because like, I, you know, I think power dynamics shift greatly in relationships all the time, you know, and I think subtle ones, right? You know, sometimes I think if people are honest with themselves, even in healthy relationships, usually, hopefully the healthiest of the healthiest of relationships, you both feel like you're on equal footing.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
No one's abandonment issues are being triggered. And you wake up feeling like you're choosing your partner as much as they're choosing you. And there's not a lot of thoughts on that. But even generally healthy relationships don't operate that way. There are moments where my abandonment issues might be triggered for some reason. I don't know. And maybe I'm feeling just generally a little insecure.
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And that general insecurity might... reveal itself as, you know, a certain way around Natalie, you know, or I might just like, you know, we're pretty good at communicating at this point where I might just need a little more affection from her. I don't know, you know, and certainly vice versa, right? And so there's a power dynamic shift often in relationships and whoever is feeling more insecure,
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or is being triggered by whatever abandonment issue they have, that other person, whether they know it or not, has more power, right? Your boyfriend wasn't feeling, for whatever reason, your boyfriend, the way you're describing it, towards the end of his stint at home, wasn't feeling insecure. He was just mad. He was angry. He was frustrated.
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He didn't know why his girlfriend didn't want to have sex with him. And he dealt with his feelings through anger, you know? And I'm guessing that some of the things he said, like, well, you know, I knew that before I could touch you and blah, blah, blah. That all sounds like he's angry, right? But now the way you're describing it, now he's gone, right?
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Now having the sex with you is less, I mean, he can't even have sex with you. He's not there. So immediately less of a priority for him, right? Even subconsciously. I'm sure he still wants to have sex with you whenever he comes back, but like now it's off the table. It's a concern he really doesn't have to bother with until August, right?
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Remember the lady who was on the airplane and she's like, that motherfucker's not real. Yes.
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right and now you're still upset about how he treated you at the tail end of that relationship and you're questioning things you're like i don't know this is crazy i don't know this and now he's hearing you question things and now that his like desire or need to have sex with you is off the table it's less of a priority that anger is going away and it's being replaced with a little more clarity and
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about him being a dick yes and now you're questioning things and now he's just like holy shit i don't last thing like again i don't i don't think he's appreciated what you've brought to him in this relationship while you're not together And I'm willing to guess, and I know very little about this relationship, but I'm willing to guess he doesn't appreciate it, but you do.
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You offer that companionship, that person to reach out to every day, to talk through things. I bet where he works, it can be pretty, does he just generally work with a bunch of like rough men constantly, 24 seven?
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Is he like off into the seas on a rig or whatever? doing crazy shit.
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Having a girlfriend on the outside, I bet is awesome for, you know, for people. It's like, it gives you something to think about.
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that's a crazy thing to say to someone even out of anger. But if he really believes that, why is he dating you?
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I don't doubt that. I believe that. But why he, what his, I very much believe that. I think he doesn't appreciate how much. Yeah, he doesn't appreciate it and I don't think he really believes it. And I don't know, like, if nothing else, his willingness to say some of these things to you at best are just cruel because he's upset and he's trying to hurt your feelings and that's just mean.
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So, but to recap, the really, you know, we're not here to debate conspiracy theories or you can just confirm that everyone in this room doesn't agree with grandpa. But the real concern is that grandpa sounds pretty locked in and pretty, pretty programmed that like you and your sister-in-law and the bride specifically is worried that grandpa could find himself in a conversation with God knows who.
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Or worse, he actually believes it and this is like, then he sounds like a guy who just objectifies women. So...
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And when you say he's trying, has he apologized for some of these mean things he said? I mean, you reviewed them with him. Like literally before this call, you're like, hey, I'm going to talk about X, Y, and Z just to review. I'm just going to bring up some of the things he said to me. And he's like, yeah, that all seems accurate. He's not like alarmed. He's like, wow, I really was a dick.
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I mean, listen, in the heat of the moment, we all can be dicks. Sometimes we say things to the people we love the most, and we don't even realize how cruel it comes across. And sometimes we have to cool down, time has to pass, and then we have to say, I'm sorry, I was an asshole. That's normal. Exactly.
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Yeah. I mean, he's your, your, your, your, your boyfriend is not giving you anything to work with. Almost nothing.
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As a young man, as a 26 year old man, I would just say to him, if he was lit, it's just like, I don't want him to be nice to you just to get laid. But hell man, if all he was was just like held your hand and showed a little affection and maybe got you flowers or just like, Or even if he pretended and I don't want him to have to pretend like he probably would have got a little action.
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But again, he needs to understand that we all, as human beings, we always need to feel taken care of emotionally. We need to feel loved. We need to feel like our partner isn't gonna abandon us. We need to feel like we can be our most vulnerable selves with our partners.
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That's the joy of being in a real relationship, that when you come home, your most comfortable, your sanctuary, you don't have to put on an act. You can be yourself. Now that doesn't mean be an asshole. Doesn't mean be gross and disgusting and shit with the toilet open. But like, you know what I'm saying? Like you can generally be yourself.
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You can show some of your cracks and weaknesses and insecurities with your partner and not worry about and know that they love you, you know? Right.
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from where we were and what, like, it's just, I mean, you need to let go of the honeymoon phase that you were in and how magical it was when you guys got back together because, you know, everyone is their best self and everyone like you, you guys were having sex more, you know, and you were more intimate and you weren't going with what you're going through now, but things have changed as in every relationship, things change.
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And at any moment, accuse someone of being a child trafficking alien and cause a dramatic scene. Okay.
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Right. And right now your boyfriend is demonstrating behaviors that, that tell you that when things change that don't go his way, he will not compromise or be there for you. He will just be angry and upset and expect you to fix the problem and get back to where things were so he can continue to be happy again. That is the actions that he's demonstrating.
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which is you said that perfectly yes so he's not giving you much to work with now like again like i would want for him to now be like i really shouldn't have talked to you that way i'm really sorry i'm just very frustrated like you know i just sometimes i get insecure about like you know you're attracted to me obviously i'm not going to see you for the next eight months i didn't handle myself the best way i'm you know like you should be getting that right now
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Uh, if you're not getting that, that's concerning. That's like, and you can't teach, you know, I'm cutting him from sack cause he's only 26, but he's not 18 and he should know better.
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And I'm going to cut him a little bit more slack because you know, he's certainly like his surroundings are not, I I'm guessing, I'm guessing a lot of his, his workplace conditions aren't promoting culture of like pro women or just like, I don't know. It doesn't have to be pro women, just more like, you know, just like not a,
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You know, locker room talk aside, like hanging out with your boys, but like, I don't, he's just maybe not getting the best role models when it comes to like a healthy relationship or a healthy relationship with women in general, or just an empathetic man towards the plight of like things that women might go through. Fine. That's his choice he's making.
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And I don't care if you're on an island with a bunch of like rough men, he has the internet and like no one has the excuse to like isolate themselves and become ignorant if they want to learn and educate themselves. So at best, your boyfriend is talking as if he's a bit ignorant about like how women are in relationships or what their needs are.
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And if you're expecting someone to just be a concubine, and have sex with you when you're ready, then that's not what you want. And if that's what he wants, then God bless him. I'm sure he can find it, like you said.
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But he's not showing you, but I would just caution you right now. Yes, you have to get through hard times. You know, people can get through devastating times. They can, you know, people have gotten through betrayals and things like that. But like, let's say if someone's betrayed someone, a trust of violation was happened in a relationship.
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People have gotten through that because there's contrition, there's regret, there's, you know, there's the realization that they fucked up. There's the desire to make changes. You know, a lot of people fall short of all those promises and changes and things like that. But
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at least there's that, you know, and that's a starting point of fixing the problem is an acknowledgement that there was a problem. Right. And again, your boyfriend is this kind of acknowledging that you have a problem and that your problem is both of your problems, but he doesn't really see the problem with how he is handling this whole situation. And that's the biggest problem.
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And so I guess I would just caution you. It's like you don't get any medals or, you know, like just because it's your first big fight doesn't mean you have like, I mean, you can break up or stay together as long as you want. Right. But like there's no there's no playbook out there that says you get four fights for free.
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It's silly to ever break up before four fights because like everyone has at least 100 fights. Right. That's silly. What are those fights about? You know, what are you talking about? You'd have to figure out, is this a fight over a non-negotiable or is this a fight over like our pet peeves? I would argue that's a fight over a non-negotiable.
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He might think, well, my non-negotiable is like, I want to have a partner who wants to have sex with me. Fair enough. I guess on its face, that makes some sense. Your negotiable is like, I want a partner who shows up for me when I'm not my best self.
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when I'm struggling with mental health problems or like when I just, you know, when I'm, I want my partner to believe me when I tell him my body's going through something.
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And like, as a man, he needs to understand if he wants to be in a relationship with a woman, that his body is not the same as your body and that your body might experience a lot different types of emotions and feelings that his body may never feel.
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And the feelings that his body feels like, hey, the feeling of wanting to having sex every day, if nothing else, shows the difference in your two bodies. And to expect your two bodies to want the same thing every day is immature and a little ignorant. But he already knows his body wants something different, right?
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And he's not going to get very far in any relationship if he can't show up and be empathetic to his partners without having to have to gone through what they've gone through to be empathetic.
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He has to know at a minimum that sometimes, even maybe once a month, that some shit might happen where he needs to maybe be more empathetic, maybe be less demanding, maybe show up for his partner, maybe have a little grace. Because again, the things that you might be feeling in a five-day period or over the course of one month might be something that he's never gone through.
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Cramping, back pains, I don't know, fucking bloating. I don't know. I don't have to deal with that every time. And it doesn't sound fun. I don't have to bring out a heating pad like Natalie does every month because she's in excruciating pain because of cramps. you know, but I believe her. Right. And I can understand what it's like to have back pains.
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And I can just like ask myself, how should, how can I best show up for my partner here? I, I enjoy being there for my partner. I like, I'm an active service guy. That's my love language. Doesn't sound like it's your boyfriend's, but who knows?
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Maybe, maybe I got him wrong, but you got to figure out if you guys really are, you know, you have this love story of being high school sweethearts and dating for as long as you did. And you have this love story of reconnecting and that is fun. And that is nice. And that will get a relationship. a pretty long way.
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You know, there's a lot of people out there who are together because they like the story of how they met and there's not much else there, you know, but as I've said in this amazing book called Don't Text Your Ex Happy Birthday, I'm just kidding. It's pretty good.
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No worries. Well, there's a part in that book. There's a whole chapter. There's a lot of things that won't want to apply to you, but there's a part of the book that says your relationship won't care how you met. It doesn't. Your relationship doesn't care. And you're feeling that right now because your relationship is struggling.
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And despite you caring how you met, your relationship doesn't because it doesn't make how you met doesn't fix the problem you're feeling now. Right. Because a relationship needs two people to show up every day, right? And your boyfriend is not showing up in ways that you need to show up. And I guess in his version, you're not showing up in a way he needs to get to show up.
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But he needs to understand that his expectations are a little unfair and yours are a bare minimum.
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He's afraid the aliens are taking over. And if you think the aliens are taking over, you're going to speak up. You're going to say something. Right now, fear is very popular to sell, sadly. And it's being sold to anyone who's willing to listen, regardless of what side of the aisle you are on.
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If all he did is start every day with like, I'm so lucky that I have you in my life and I love you. And I was thinking about like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I love this. And I love that. The amount of nudes you would send him would probably just be like ridiculous. And like, you didn't even have to be in the mood to send a nude. Fuck. It's so easy.
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But like, I wouldn't want to send a nude to a guy being a dick to me. I wouldn't want to send a nude to a guy barking orders.
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There's something going on where he just feels so validated to feel the way he does. I don't know where it's coming from, but that's the best excuse I can come up with because I would hope that he will eventually think these comments and the way he is acting is out of character for him. But you have way too many examples of things he said.
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And currently, like the fact that he he's he's not like mortified that he said these things. uh, he comes across by the things he said and how he's acting as someone who like objectifies women, very kind of misogynistic and, and really thinks that your primary and really only role in this relationship is to like service him when he's horny. And like, you know, that's how he's acting.
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That's what he's saying. I don't, you know,
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If he was here, I would hope he would be like, I don't believe that. But it was like, give me something that shows that you don't believe that. The only thing that shows that he doesn't believe that is like, again, I really believe that he doesn't appreciate what he gets from you emotionally and just you being there and just him having someone while he's out doing this crazy job that he's doing.
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But it's a disconnect for him. It's got to be, you know, he takes it for granted for sure.
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Everyone in power is trying to convince people who aren't in power that they should be afraid of the other side, which is really sad because... You know, I really believe that your grandfather is a victim in this kind of crazy world that, you know, is spewing these types of just crazy things. That being said, if he's that much of a liability, I don't think he should go.
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I don't know. I don't know. Give him some insight. I would wait for him to listen.
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I don't think you're going to be, I don't think you're, not that I, not that you can't, I wouldn't be able to rearticulate what I heard from someone about a very passionate issue that I give a lot of shits about in a way that would like, you're better off. You can give them the cliff notes. Again, you do whatever you want your relationship.
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And honestly, I don't know when this episode is going to come out. It might be a couple of weeks.
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Maybe a month. Or less. I would use this to your advantage. I mean, like, listen, I shouldn't really make or break. You know, if he were here and I was like, dude, like, do you really, like, do you think this way? Do you feel this way? Like, are you sorry? Those are the questions I'd ask him. You need to stop acting like this is something you can solve his problem.
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As I see it, you're doing 100% of your half and you're trying to do some of his half.
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you showing up and getting advice you know you're trying to fix this problem because you want to be connected with your boyfriend it's in some ways self-serving you don't want to deal with this but like you described a guy who is familiar that you know there's a lot of guys who wouldn't come on here but he's familiar with the show seems to be a fan of the show seems to respect my opinion you know like and i always try to be pretty fair especially when i get like you know couples on here i don't want to make anyone feel but he still chose not to show up
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So what I'm saying is like, you got to get away from, this is not like a compromise. I think it's okay for you to feel like you're a hundred percent right.
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And I think it's okay for you to be like, um, you know, cause you're in this mindset of fix. You're in this fix it mindset. You're in this caretaker mindset and he is failing you. He's failing the relationship and you're telling yourself that you can deal with this. And that maybe there's a problem, there's a disconnect, and maybe there's something you're doing.
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Maybe you're something you're not seeing and yada, yada, yada. And you know what I'm saying? Does that all resonate with you?
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As opposed to you being like, this is fucked up. I'm sorry. You would have the grounds to break up with him immediately the moment he said, like what? After you asked him, there's more to me than just putting out and having sex. And the moment he said like, what you could have broken up with them and, and everyone listening would have been like, took you long enough. Right.
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And I'm not saying you should break up with them, but I'm just saying you should know that you have the support of like mankind in this entire audience, that you're not crazy. And that like, you shouldn't be in a relationship with anyone who thinks that way, let alone says it. And we don't even know if he just said it or if he thinks it.
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I mean, if we really think that, you know, and grandpa is like pretty, you know, how old is grandpa?
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I mean, he comes across as a guy who's aware of the power position he's in. And that could change quickly. I mean, it wouldn't shock me. If you ended the relationship, it wouldn't blow my mind. He comes crawling back and begs for you to reconsider and apologize and recommends couples therapy and says, I'll get into therapy. I've seen it all. Maybe he needs a wake-up call. I don't know.
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uh late 70s late 70s and he's like mobile and like he's he's he's like of sound mind i mean minus his conspiracy theories he's like he's not you know like i guess i will like yeah natalie's great you know natalie's grandpa natalie's grandpa i mean he's 90 he's in a wheelchair you know regardless of what he believed in he would have a hard time communicating that so and he doesn't can believe in it but like grandpa is capable of creating a scene if he wanted to i guess is my question
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Maybe so. But if that's the case, that is a characteristic that he has that you're in a relationship with. But this is acting like another level. There's being stubborn and prideful in the moment when you're trying to win an argument or whatever, or maybe that carries over for an entire day or two.
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And then there's like, this is a man being stubborn about a topic that you guys have been dealing with for a long period of time now, and he's shown no signs of backing down. And his stubbornness has overcome any desire to empathize with you, to take care of you, to emotionally support you, to validate you, none of that. And that is, you have to acknowledge that as a characteristic of his.
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He is demonstrating his pridefulness more than he is demonstrating his ability to take care of you.
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And I think you need to let go of the romanticization of this relationship. You're only 26. It sounds like as a young 26-year-old woman, you've been through a lot and you've had a lot of life. Same like Natalie. Like our offerings were very different. But you still are young, and I wouldn't waste a lot of time on men who do this, you know?
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And I understand the romanticization of how you met and yada yada, and you call his mom mom, and it sounds like maybe you didn't have your, you know, and that's extra hard on you because it sounds like you had some conflict with your own family. Who's in the background? Is it him? Like, who's family is it?
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If I were, I mean, honestly, what I really think is going on, and I don't, whether he realizes or not, that like, I think your boyfriend really thinks he's in control of this relationship. You know, he's certainly not insecure about losing you. That's for sure. And that's crazy considering like you've,
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acknowledge that you might choose that but whatever reason he is not afraid to lose you not yet not right now and i think it sounds like you have accepted the role of of the submissive one in the relationship i guess i'm not not like in a sexual way but i just mean like And he's like, yeah, well, then you have my, you know, he's just unafraid of saying anything to you, clearly.
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And you're afraid to say anything to him, right? You're so afraid of upsetting him. You're so afraid of rattling his cage because it's already rattled and things are already disconnected. He's not afraid at all. And you, and this is another reason why I don't think you should have sent him the episode or tell him what I said. You need to change that dynamic. You need to not give a fuck.
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If you want to stay in a relationship with this man, you need to change your attitude. Be like, why the fuck am I letting this motherfucker treat me this way? This is bullshit. I don't know what he's going through. I'm going to cut him some slack because what I should do is break up with his ass. I'm not going to break up with his ass.
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But what I'm not going to do is I'm not going to put up with any of this bullshit. So I'm just not going to take his calls. I'm not going to be there for him. I'm not going to ask him about his day. I'm going to be cold as fuck. And if he wants to wake up and start acting the way I deserve to be treated, he can start. But until then, I'm just going to slowly let go.
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And if he doesn't stop me from letting go, I'm going to leave. But him stopping you from letting go is not what he says. It's what he does. Right.
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That's a fair question. But like, it's not about swapping roles like this is like, do you think I'm only worth having sex? You need to understand if some of the things he said he believes and if he's sorry, does he think that you deserve to be treated that way? Like, I understand the disconnect between like you being depressed and not having a sex drive and the pressures of you not seeing him.
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And I can see that he handled that in a bad way without thinking he's a bad guy. Right. Right. Right. And when he is considerate, don't push back. If your boyfriend is kind, if he reaches out, if he's nice to you, if he gives you that emotional love, you can receive it. Just receive it. Don't reject it.
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You know, that doesn't mean he's out of the clear, you know, because all you know, it's like two days of him being nice. It's just a step in the right direction. But like, don't do it for the tit for tat, but we need to find out what he really believes at first.
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Well, I empathize with your fears. But I will say, if you want to be in this relationship, you have to be in this relationship. And if you break up with him today, your heart's going to be broken. And if you decide not to break up with him and he...
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And is there anyone in the family who has his ear?
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decides to start being more affectionate and more consideration, does some of the things that you want him to do, and you receive it, and you start believing in him that things get better, yeah, I don't know, nine months, things could go to the shitter. We can't predict the future.
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And that's no different than you break up with him, you date another guy in a week, and you start dating him, and you believe in him, and then he... Love is risky. You got to take risks. But if you're going to be in this relationship, be your best self. Don't do the tit for tat. He might break your heart. I don't know.
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But you're just going to have to risk that if you want to be in this relationship. That being said, you still have to hold him accountable for when he does and says some of this crazy shit that suggests that maybe he is not the person he led himself to believe. And you need to get a clear... If you get off the call You're going to have to wait to listen to it. He told me to say that.
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But he also told me to ask you, only being good for sex?
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Yes, that. Do you really believe that?
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And if he says, of course, I don't believe that. If he says, of course, I don't believe that. All of your actions say that are backing up what you said and you still haven't apologized. So even if you apologize, you know, like nothing about what you're saying or doing. I literally reviewed this stuff with you before I got on the call. And you were like, I mean, hey, I appreciate your honesty.
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But like, do you believe this stuff? Because if you believe this stuff, you have your answer. But if he believes like, listen, yeah, I'm frustrated about our sex life. He's allowed to be frustrated. That is totally okay for him to be frustrated about your sex life. And he can say that. And he could say, I'm frustrated about our sex life. I know we're going through some things.
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I clearly have not handled myself the best way. I want to fix that. Obviously, I hope we can figure out our sex life, but I want us to also work on emotional connection. And do you think, I would ask him this, do you think our emotional connection is only possible if our sex life
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as where you think it needs to be that's good i'm gonna write that down that's good um i will ask him that that also yeah i will ask if he says yes then you you i would say then you can say nick thinks we have a big problem Because it's just not true. Right. Like he has emotional needs. You have emotional needs. He is literally in the middle of fucking nowhere.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
There's the only reason why he wants a girlfriend right now is because of his emotional needs. He can look up porn. He can go into port or wherever the fuck. He clearly wants to have a girlfriend. He has emotional needs. So for him to deny you your emotional needs because of sex, like it's, but I was still asking the question before giving the answer to the test.
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And then I would point out his hypocrisy if he gives you the wrong answer.
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What does he think? By the way, what does he think he brings to the relationship? Nine months out of the year, he's not there. Yeah. It's his job, but you know, there's other jobs out there.
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I don't know if that's, I mean, as well. I think some of the other questions are more important. I do think that question will be received in kind of a confrontational way. Yes. I honestly probably wouldn't even ask that question. I mean, if you're in a fight and he throws it in your face, I would be quick to ask him that question. But other than that... It's not productive.
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Um, and he wants to be able to, I don't tell him, I, you know, tell him I said this. It's most men's. It's not most men's strengths.
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I was definitely never good at it. In fact, I would say it was a weakness of mine early in my life. In fact, it was a criticism my father would give me often. I've gotten way better at it. And honestly, I've gotten better at it because it made my life better. You know what? It's very powerful. If you're able to empathize with other people, you can have... Not that I'm saying you do it this way.
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You can have power and control over them. If you can put yourself in other people's shoes and relate to them, people feel seen, people feel heard. They feel connected to you. That's power. You know, he should want to develop the skill of being more empathetic. It will drastically improve his life in every aspect of his life. Empathetic to his boss, empathetic to his coworkers.
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Like just someone who makes other people feel sane and heard. That's how like, honestly, how con artists like get what they want because that's what they did as con people. But I don't think, He should be manipulative or con people.
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Someone's got to take her up as a toy away. What if he just disconnected his internet? I don't know. He lives by himself, right? He's, it's not like he's,
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But like he is answering this question as if he's like some tough man who just like, if you want a guy who like picks flowers and empathizes with you and like, then find another man. It's like, fuck that. Like that's honestly how he's answering that question.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
It's not about femininity or masculinity. It is a human skill that for the people who learn how to develop it, life's just easier. It's better. You understand conflict better. It gives you more peace of mind. You just are able to work with people better. When I'm in conflict with anyone, whether it's work, whether it's emotional, my ability to say, let me put myself in their shoes.
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Let me really put myself in their shoes. Not try to win this fight, but truly try to put myself in their shoes. And again, people really have a hard time understanding the reason why something happens versus the justification. People are so afraid to empathize with people because they're afraid that will justify their actions. And that's not it. Just understand it.
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They are doing this because they're probably feeling this. I don't agree. I don't know why they're feeling this, but if I were feeling that way, regardless of why I was feeling that way, if I were feeling that way, how would I? Oh, well, if I were feeling that way, I would probably be pretty pissed too. It's a mental exercise. It's not hard. You just have to give a shit. It's a math problem.
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It's like chess. And men can relate to math and chess and things. Men are more analytical. It's a puzzle. That's all it is. Empathy is a puzzle. You just have to give a shit. You're not asking him to be an empath. I have no time for other people who walk around being like, I'm an empath and I'm just like, I understand your feeling. How do you know who I am?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
What about Grandma? Have you got to invite Grandpa?
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You haven't, you haven't got to know me at all. It's on energy. That's how people are empathetic. You're empathetic because you ask questions, you pay attention, you try to put yourself in their shoes. The more life you live, the more experiences you have. And the older you, the only shortcoming that both of you have to be empathetic is that you're both only 26.
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And that, like, there's things that maybe you haven't experienced or felt as a result of, like, only being 26. Now, you might be able to empathize more than him because, like, maybe, you know, growing up with drug-addicting parents and having to live in someone else's house and joining the military, like, I bet you had to deal with a lot of shit.
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And you've seen a lot of shit and you've seen hardships in other people and that makes it easier for them to empathize. And I don't know, you know, but like maybe he has dealt with shit and maybe he just hasn't unlocked that skill set, but it is not some sort of like feminine woo woo kind of like vibe.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
It is literally just an exercise of like asking yourself, what would it be like to be in their shoes? And if that, if I felt that way, would I also be mad at this situation? Again, he doesn't have to agree with that person. He can just understand them. And sometimes when you understand someone, it just makes it a lot easier to close the gap of disconnection.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
That's something he definitely... Let him hear it for me. When you're listening, buddy. That one's for you. But yeah, seriously, it's not... Me being better at empathizing with people has made my life easier. And I didn't do it to... seem like a better guy. And I didn't do it because I thought it would look good. Honestly, it just helped my life.
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And I didn't have to get crystals or meet a sage in the mountains. I just had to ask. I just had to give a shit. And I just had to develop a skill.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Huh? That doesn't make any sense. Yeah.
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It sounds like something I would have said when I was 22 or maybe even 26. I don't know. But so yeah, he's a, he's a, he's a bit of an arrogant, young, confident guy. Who's a little too set in his ways. And he, he, he, he honestly, the thing that humbled me was getting my heart crushed a couple of times. So maybe that's what will humble him.
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And I'm sure you've already thought of this, but I'm just going to ask. His son... My father-in-law. Your father-in-law. Could he go to him and be like, listen, I'm not here to discuss what you believe. That is your beliefs. But my daughter is getting married and we'd love for you guys to be there. But we...
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
You need to stop trying to take care of him.
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You have a son to take care of. You have yourself to take care of. And not that you need a man to take care of you, but what's the point of being in a relationship if you're not taken care of? I didn't get in a relationship. I mean, I love taking care of my family, so that's kind of a lie. But like, you know, you need to be taken care of too. And you're not being taken care of.
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And the solution to not being taken care of isn't to take more care of the person not taking care of you. You need to shift your energy to your son and yourself, and he needs to feel that energy shift. And that will be the thing that hopefully wakes him up.
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You can always get back together. And I'm rooting for the guy, and I'm flattered that he thinks I'm going to give you good advice. But he's... This will be the best.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Again, this is either, this is, you know, he's, he's kind of a dick. He's got, he's kind of a dick. Yeah. He, I mean, again, and maybe he just doesn't empathize his lack of empathy, but he should know that comment would hurt your feelings.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And he can choose not to empathize, but like no one's going to think he's, you know, yeah, at 26, I guess I didn't care if people thought I was a dick either, but I don't know. He should do it for himself because his life will be a lot easier when he decides to develop that skill.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Well, I really appreciate you listening to all your friends and hopefully things get better. But you're only 26. You have too much going for you on your own. You've gone through too much. You survived too much to be dealing with shit like this. This is a relationship that's pulling you back. It's not bringing you forward. I want you to bring the attitude I want. I want you to go on the phone.
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Honestly, I wouldn't call him right away.
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Don't. I would wait till the end of the day. Be busy. If he's like, are you ignoring me? Like, no, I'm sorry. I'm just busy. You're not ignoring him.
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And then when you get on the phone, I want the energy to be very much like, I'm the man. I'm in charge. I don't really care about the outcome because that's the energy he's giving you.
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He's like, oh, well, if Nick tells you to break up with me, then I guess I have that answer. It's just like, he's so fucking indifferent about what happens. And like, that is a power move. He is doing it. It's a defense mechanism. You need to turn it around. I want you to channel, think about that energy he's giving you. But if it's real, you definitely don't want him to be your boyfriend.
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If it's some sort of act, then he needs to, he needs a taste of his medicine. He needs, you know, right. So I want you to be the, you don't have time for him. You got busy things to do. Like, you know, you can take them or leave them, whatever. Like at the end of the day, you're done having an asshole is a boyfriend. In fact, it would, I can do that. I wouldn't even maybe get to him tomorrow.
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I would just be busy all day. Okay. Be busy. Oh no, I'm totally, no, honestly, like I'm just busy, you know, like Nick, blah, blah, blah. Like he didn't, you know, I'm just, I'm sorry. I'm just busy. I'm still busy. Blah, blah, blah. I'm busy. Let him stew.
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for God's sake, we cannot have, like, we need you to just mind your business for eight hours. Like, is that possible? Like grandpa wouldn't.
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he is so in control of the situation. He needs to, you need to take some of that control away from him. Right.
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All right. Good luck. Keep you posted. I definitely want to, I definitely want to. Yeah.
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Is this like a foster parent situation?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Yeah, I think you got the answer. I mean, he's not giving it. You can't reason with him. He literally tried. And his response was, fuck off. I think you just try to do everything you can to bring grandma. But I don't know. Like, is this man going to, like, call the cops and say, you kidnapped my wife? You know, like, I don't know.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Okay. And you're asking questions mostly about your son, but he has a sister?
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Well, I appreciate you asking. I mean, I definitely don't have a ton, obviously, of experience in dealing with this very specific thing, but I know you know that. I have a few more questions. So I just want to clarify too, like from a behavioral standpoint, he's doing okay. This is really just about like, you're just not sure how to connect with this young man
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
I guess, could you offer any more specificity on the behaviors you are struggling with other than like feeling disconnected? Yeah. And then my second follow-up question to that is, is your husband experiencing a similar disconnection with him or is this more just your challenges?
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Okay. Oh, that's, that's a bummer. Um, is he more, do you know if he's more introverted extroverted or, I mean, it sounds like maybe these kids also maybe dealt with a little bit of trauma.
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As a teenager, how does he getting access to any of these substances?
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Are you guys getting any like professional help like with like family therapists or anything like that?
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It's a tough situation you're in. I don't know how much help I'm going to be. Because as a teenager, I fortunately had a very good upbringing. I didn't have to deal with a lot of trauma and things like that. And I had a healthy relationship with my parents. If I were trying to just generalize young men in general, I don't know what he experienced. But I'll say this.
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It's not surprising to me that the older boy... is having a hard time coping with whatever trauma he had than the younger girl. I think in general, when you're younger, I think it's easier to work through that trauma maybe a little bit more depending on what happened or when it happened.
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And I think young men in general, they struggle expressing themselves and being more vulnerable and emotional and things like that. I think maybe that's where maybe your husband might be able to play a stronger role than you. If I...
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One advice I would try to give to you is try, and I know this is the way you're phrasing it, but I would try to, and I'm not saying you're, you obviously all of your intentions are to help this kid clearly. Right. But like, I think it's less about your, your immediate connection with him and whether you feel connected to him and just trying to like figure out what this kid needs. Right.
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His son, you know, her dad. Yeah. All right. I mean, just out of curiosity, why is the bride still even care, you know, considering this?
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Cause this kid is struggling and, and, and we, you know, like, you know, you're kind of at a loss. Like what, what do I give this kid? I can say that as a young man, um, as close as I was with my mom, I definitely was not connecting with her. I wasn't bonding with her maybe as I did when I was a little boy and things like that.
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I think as a young man, you are more drawn to either independence or other male role models. And so to me, this sounds like a kid who's really Friends, I would love to see him try to figure out making friends, but that might be something he's struggling with right now. It might be easier for him to have some more strong male role models that he looks up to that can be friends to him.
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He's going to need friends his age, for sure, but he might not have that skill set right now to develop those friendships. But we want to nip this in the bud as early as possible so that by the time he gets to adulthood, he's not dealing with these same challenges of making friends. And like, you know, the last thing you want... Shit.
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In 2025, I think, regardless of what this young man has gone through... I do think we're dealing with an epidemic of lonely young men. I think there's too many young men finding porn online, video games, porn, and drugs. And it's just like lack of social skills. I honestly am worried. But I think your husband can probably have a stronger impact than you right now.
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I think, again, I just think it's normal for young men to seek out male role models. Yeah.
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Also, my brother dentist, when I told him I used the Quip 360, was like, oh, wow. And for all you people who are resistant to flossing like myself, they're water flosser, just like sprays and squirts water into your gums and cleans between your teeth. I love it. It's great.
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Outside of video games, what does he like? Does he enjoy sports? What real life things could you introduce to his life?
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Does he mean does he need to work on this at this job right now?
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Gotcha. I want to just reaffirm I am not an expert, so take everything I say with an absolute grain of salt. But when you were talking about him getting a car, I just wonder if a kid going through what he's going through right now, having a driver's license and a car is the best thing for him right now. And I was just like, because that's going to give him more freedom.
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And right now he's someone who's lacking direction. He's lacking friendships. And it's going to give him like a literal vehicle and also a metaphorical vehicle to escape. And I don't know.
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and seek out and my advice honestly the best thing i can offer you right now is i really think that like this sounds like a young man who needs to be surrounded as much as possible we need to figure out what he enjoys right what does he have a passion for you know and he may how most people don't know what their passions are but i think trying to introduce them to new things
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
He needs to give a shit about something. He needs to be excited about something. Yeah, he's on the sports team, but he doesn't play. Even if he likes sports, playing sports might not be his thing. It's just going to make him feel less than. We need to find something for this kid that he gets into, that he feels like he's good at. And then we need to develop that passion.
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He just needs to give a shit about something. something that makes him feel a sense of pride, you know? And in the meantime, I would love for him to have some male mentors, role models, you know, like maybe it's your, hopefully your husband is, you know, is able to do that.
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Yeah, that's a sad situation. If the bride were here, I would be like, listen, it's your wedding. Do what you want. And if you want to invite grandpa and grandpa at the risk of grandpa doing his thing, then you just have to make sure that if that happens, it doesn't ruin anything else. Everyone just kind of like, okay, it's happening. No big deal. Everyone knew this was going to happen.
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And like, maybe even your husband and his friends can like, you know, bring them along and show them the ropes about some cool things. He's going to, I hopefully look, look up to older men, right?
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The problem with is when, when young confused teenagers in general, a lot of people in healthy lifestyles are just kind of too busy and too preoccupied and like, and it's the bad people who seek out young confused people like him and they become the bad role models, you know?
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And, and the last thing I want for this kid is to like get his license, get his car and like to meet the wrong guy, you know?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And well, a car makes sense, though. But right. Because like if nothing else, having his own car sounds cool to probably anyone, certainly a teenager. And that's the first thing from what I've you know, I can barely know. I know very little about the story, but like you gave him a goal. And granted, like he is a teenager. So he played video games, was on TikTok and didn't fulfill that goal.
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But there was a moment. or and there still is a moment now and now he kind of realized his his mistake right and now he's reinvesting in that goal and so he's willing to work a job he doesn't like for to get this car and that to me that shows that like we can channel this kid a little bit you know But we have to find out what his other goals and passions are.
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Right now, his only goal is to get out, to get a car and have freedom to escape. And I would love him to, and we'd have to introduce more things into his life. Who knows what his passions might be? you know, like what's his personality like? Is he analytical? Is he creative?
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Sure. And that way he's a teenager. The challenge is going to be on the side of you and your husband's right. Cause it, you know, you're right. It's, it's, this isn't going to happen overnight. It's going to like, it's going to require, and that's why obviously what you're, you and your husband are doing is very noble. It's very challenging. Being a foster parent is very challenging.
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you know, it's a lot easier to be a parent when your kid, you know, like my daughter River, it's just like, you know, right now she's delightful, but when she grows up, I'm not sure what personality traits she'll have or how difficult she might be in certain areas. But right now we'll be able to be like, we're your parents. You do what we say.
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And we have a little bit of control and like, you're, you're just trying to like have this kid trust you, let alone like trying to like, I'm your parent, you know, and things like that. So you guys really are walking on eggshells. I think you just have to try to be patient as much as you can be. You're going to have to, you have to be resilient. You're going to have to be able to try things out.
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You can't get discouraged around him when, and just be like, Oh God, what do you like? You know, things like that, you know, you're just going to have to keep trying. Something is going to land right in the meantime. I don't know. This is just like, again, my opinion. I don't know if a therapist would agree with me, but like, The kid needs to believe in himself too, right?
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Let's just remove it. Let's not create a scene. Let's move on. What we don't want is the bride to...
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And right now he probably doesn't believe in himself, doesn't believe there's much of a future, but I don't know what trauma he experienced, but maybe he has a very pessimistic view on life. But you need to start, if you preach anything to this kid, it's just like, I would do whatever you can to make him believe in himself.
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I would observe his good qualities, his, you know, what do you think he's good at? Even if it, just gas this kid up. Make him feel good about himself. Be a cheerleader. Don't be obnoxious about it, but really, hey, you know what? You know what I really pointed out? Do you realize how good you are at blank, blank, blank, blank, blank? That was a really nice thing you did. That was really cool.
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He's just not getting that anywhere else. You have to go out of your way for you and your husband to just make this kid believe in himself. And if he can believe in himself, then he can believe in his potential. And once you start believing your potential, then you realize you have something to live for.
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you know well hey let's just invite him because i just want to make sure my grandparents are there and it's really sad and then grandpa does his thing and then everyone acts like i can't believe grandpa did that yeah you know and then the rest of the night is focused on i can't believe grandpa did that like if we're going to invite grandpa we just have to be prepared for it we have to assume it's probably going to happen and we got to hope it doesn't happen if it happens it's just like oh you know it's like almost as if you scheduled in the wettering itinerary
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Right now he doesn't care about his choices because he doesn't really care what happens to him because life's a fucking drag and life's been nothing but misery and I can give you a bunch of reasons why life sucks and I can give you very few reasons why life is awesome. And you and your husband, I honestly, my opinion is it's your job right now. I mean, it's not your job. You're doing a kindness.
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But like, if I were you, I would just try to make this kid just find something every day to make this kid smile, believe in himself, to have some pride in what he does. You know? Yeah. Like that. Pride. you know, feeling good about what he is doing. And then like something to live, you know, believe in the future. Dream, have him dream about things. What do you want to do when you grow up?
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Like dream big too. Does he want to be the president of the United States? Does he want to be an astronaut? Does he want to fly a plane? Ask him about his dreams and make him believe that he has the right to dream big. Because right now he doesn't have a reason to dream big. He keeps his dreams small because most of his dreams, dreams he never even had, things he took for granted,
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like a healthy home, those dreams are ripped away. He's probably very reluctant to have dreams, right? So, you know, you got to start small, but like, it's really just about getting this kid to start believing in life and hope and dream and, and aspire to do anything other than just escape. But you're going to, you will have to be patient because it's going to probably feel like it does now.
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Like it's, it's met with a ton of resistance. And I think you're going to have to not, you're going to have to be willing to accept that resistance and, and, and find the small wins. And it may, it's going to take some time, but you just get to keep hammering.
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You have to, you know, and like you just described for a kid who's very used in temporary situations and things that don't last, this could be an almost subconscious like test of like, I don't know, they're kind now, but like, there'll be dicks in a year. I don't know. They believe in me now, but will they believe in me in two years? I don't know. Like, you know what I'm saying?
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His resistance to your kindness might be like a test in a way, not even a conscious one, but could be a subconscious test. So I really think patience and resiliency and consistency in the part of you and your husband matters. is the most important thing.
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And then what you're consistent and resilient about is making him believe in himself, giving him things to take pride in what he does, to find ways to compliment him. Maybe it's his hair one day, maybe it's his sense of style the other day. Who knows what this kid's interested in? You know, again, it could be fashion. It could be engineering. It could be sports.
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It could be maybe, maybe he sucks at sports, but he's amazing at fantasy sports. You know, I don't know, you know, be open to anything. Honestly, we're just trying to find any win for this kid whatsoever. Something that makes him go, I did that. That was cool.
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You know, that's why they give out gold stars to first graders, you know, because at an early age, they want a kid to feel like I did something. I, I used to give, tell the same story. Every job interview I had, and it was a true story. And because I was in a sales job, they fucking loved it. But it's true. I remember the first thing I won. It was in the first grade. It was a coloring contest.
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And we were supposed to paint glass windows. And being a Catholic kid, my mom was like, you should paint all those little windows. paint glass windows, different colors. And all the kids were just like orange, purple. And we were, I was in the first grade, we're sitting in our little circle on the floor as first graders do.
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And then in walked the results of the coloring contest and they called my name and I was the winner. And that felt so fucking good. Like, honestly, I was like, I like winning. Winning is awesome. I want to replicate this feeling. You know, I feel really... And wouldn't you know it, I got really good at art. And maybe I was always going to be good at art. I don't know.
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But like that belief in myself that I could do something good and I got rewarded for it. And people were like, that was cool. Good job. And I had all, you know, I got accolades and attention and... You know, like that affected me. So to this, I still vividly remember that day. Don't remember much about first grade. Do remember that day. And it's because I won something, you know?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And so like this kid needs wins. He needs a lot of wins. He needs some small wins. He needs to, and he needs to be able to trust these wins. And he's gonna at first feel like it's insincere. He's gonna feel like you're just saying it to be nice. He's gonna find every way possible not to believe you and your husband, but you're gonna have to keep being resistant,
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after we cut the cake, grandpa's going to lose his shit and then we're going to remove them. And then we're going to do the first dance. You know, you, you almost have to have that mentality. Like if I'm, that's what I would say to the bride, because like, it's almost certainly going to happen.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
You're going to have to stay patient, be consistent, and just hope that over time this kid starts to trust and starts believing in himself and then know that you guys will always show up for him. That's my advice.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Well, that's why you're asking a third party. I can be nitpicky. I think we don't realize as parents, and that's something, as my daughter gets older, Natalie and I will have to check each other because there will be a time to play good cop and there will be a time to play bad cop. you know, but right now I think this kid needs a lot of good cop.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And I think the bat he's dealt with so much bad cop that like, let's, let's worry. Let's get this. Let's get this kid to believe in himself first before we start. Like I'm the kid who you need to be like, Hey buddy, you're a little cocky. You know, when this kid starts getting real cocky and start, you know, then, then you'll be able to nitpick. Right. Because that's when you're fine.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Oh, big picture. I would say, yeah, him overcompensating a small victory as a result of no one giving it paying any attention to this kid.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And if, and listen, if grandma and grandpa at your wedding matters more to you than a little drama, let's bring them. Fuck it. Who gives a shit, right? This all comes down to a matter of just perspective and like, you know, a bride or a groom, like, you know, we have the term bridezilla, right?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And yes, I think right now you should just celebrate this fucking kid. I think you should, you know, he, he needs a pick me up. He needs to believe in himself. He needs to feel like this is, you know, every kid has dreams and I don't know how much he's dreamt, but every kid has dreamt about like being hoisted up on his friend's shoulders.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And, you know, he's watched TV and Nickelodeon, the Disney channel, all these, all the magical moments that are shown in these, it's not a coincidence is because kids fantasize about these things, you know, and he's like, he's never experienced any of these things.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
and he's on the end of the bench and he's not doing it you know and so like here he is with his his mom who maybe you've talked about your sports sports accomplishments and he like maybe that's his trying to connect and here you are i'm not trying to make you feel bad being like you know again there's a time and a place because you're probably trying to fine-tune his like maybe social awkwardness and you're thinking oh he needs friends and so like he that might be obnoxious if he acts this way at school so i'm gonna i'm gonna tweak that right to me that was totally the intent yeah yeah
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And like, you're trying to fine tune someone that's like, right now we're putting the car back together, right? The wheels are off. The engine's not even in the car. We're putting Humpty Dumpty back together again. Once Humpty's back together, then we'll polish them. I just jumped from two analogies to another. But you get what I'm saying. Like, you know, now's not the time for fine tuning.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
We're really trying to bring this kid into like believing in himself to what you need him to want to say no to drugs because it's hurting him. It's hurting his his body and his body is a temple and he's got one body. And the better he takes care of his body, the longer he'll live. But he doesn't give a shit about that right now.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Because all he cares about is numbing the moment so he doesn't have to worry about all his fears, concerns, and why people don't believe him and no one likes him and why he can't find friends. Why the fuck would he want to stick around for 80 years? So why should he give a shit about his body today? And we need to change that mental, we need to change course.
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And right now we need to love life, celebrate things, wake up, be grateful that he woke up, and just be like, and celebrate his happiness. And I would worry about the nitpicking, for a while and let him be whoever the fuck he wants to be and celebrate him as long as he's a good person and he's kind to other people.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Yeah. He doesn't have to be cool. He doesn't have to be popular. I mean, yeah, we want him to make friends someday, but maybe making friends in adulthood is way more important than like whatever friends he doesn't have now. And that's where I think he can learn. I think your husband and his buddies to try to include him, bring him along. He might say no, but you always ask.
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Or like, you know, birthdayzilla, like the birthday boy or who like, who's just like, this party sucks and I wanted this and I wanted that. So it all comes down to what the bride and groom are expecting their wedding day to be like, right? What are they focused on?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Never stop asking to include him. Always ask. Even if he says no every time, you know, he's expecting, you know, so always bring him along sporting events, fishing, whatever it is, you know, if it's not, if it's not adult focused, but when your husband's hanging out with his boys and doing that, that's, he'll learn how to be around.
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He'll make, he'll learn how to make friends by seeing your husband and his buddies interact with each other. That would be the best, you know, he's not going to learn how to make friends by you nitpicking him and telling him how to act.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Listen, once again, what you and your husband are doing is a noble thing and it's not easy to do, but this kind of is what needs to be done in these situations. You got to try to find the time. And you could be, honestly, you could be saving a life. This kid needs to believe in himself. And this is how he's going to learn, being around good role models.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
So when you do that, you're telling him what he's doing wrong. This kid is probably so tired of negative feedback.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Just show him what normal is like. He's never seen it.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Totally. And it's good that you're mindful of that too, because again, this is a challenging thing that you and your husband took on. So it's going to come with stress and it's going to come with feelings of maybe failure. And it's going to come with, you know, like stress also causes you to not be your best self. So like being mindful about that and then being mindful about not...
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
projecting it onto your son and things like that maybe small wins i mean i don't a lot of teenage boys aren't into babysitting things like that but like maybe through parenting your two younger kids like those are opportunities to compliment him and especially when he does something kind or nice again the smallest i would find anything to compliment this kid about anything and i would be very mindful of critiquing him short of him hurting himself i would lay off the critiques
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Are they focused, you know, Natalie and I were just, we were just like, this is our wedding and we're focused on us and our connection and like, we'll see how the party goes. But we really like, We hope for the best, but it ended up being great. But we just really focused on us and anything. I don't even know half the stuff that might have happened. I really wasn't focused on that. Right.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
yeah weed's not great for you as a kid like whatever so i was like you know struggling with knowing he needs that affirmation but then also he comes so in those situations ask more questions well what do you like about it that's really cool that's really first of all it's a very artistic painting you know you can find clever ways of but like what do you like about that like you know immediately like oh there's weed there i mean i get it like i yeah
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You know, it's easier for me to say this, you know, now that I'm in this position, you know, not invested and heard your story, but like in situations like that, just be more curious. That way, at least you're not criticizing. You know, what do you like about this? That's, you know, like, yeah, I loved Scooby-Doo as a kid. What a cool, like, you know, focus on the Scooby-Doo part.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Forget about the immaturity part. Maybe he wants to be an artist.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
you know right like why what like what is it why does he like that we need to find that out and if it's the weed part I don't know maybe he's testing you and you know like you don't have to pretend as his caregiver and his mom that like you don't think it's good he's smoking weed it's not good for your brain it's not good for him development like I wish I want you to take better care of yourself but like
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Say it like that instead of critiquing them and like, oh, you're dumb. Weed's bad. It's like, I, I just love you and I really want you to, I, I, I think you're capable of so much and weed, you know, like it, it takes things, you know, it helps with anxiety, but it also affects X, you know, do some research, you know, and. But you know what I'm saying?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
It's always from a position of love, not criticism. You know, when you're criticizing, that's bad. You, why did you do that? Don't you know how bad that is for you? That's criticism, you know, care, you know, like I just, what is cool about it? But like, I, you know, I want you to not like, this is dangerous stuff, but, Find those moments of him needing affirmation and focus on that.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
But that is a tricky situation. But, you know, try to thread the needle and then maybe circle back, you know, about the drugs. You know, but...
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
But that I just that was the perspective I came in with other people who get married. You know, they get married and like they care a lot about the party. They want their is everyone having fun and people having fun. Is everything going OK? They hear about something that's not going OK. They're like they start fixing it on their own and they start freaking out. And
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Ironically, you called in with the question, how can I connect more with my son, right? Well, honestly, the solution is to do that. This guy, he doesn't have friends. Be a friend, honestly. Be more of a friend and less of a mom in a weird way. Again, you are his mom, so make sure he's safe, but you're going to almost have to do it in a trick. You're going to have to trick him.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Make sure he's protected and safe. But right now, he goes to school, he has no friends. He goes to sports, he's sitting on the bench, he has no friends. The kid's just trying to get through the day. Imagine what it'd be like to have no friends. So be his friend. Again, show an interest in what he likes, what he gives a shit about. Same with your husband.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
It's gonna have more impact from your husband. Because most teenage boys seek out male leadership and male role models and things like that. And like interest from your husband will go a ton away. Just like, Hey, hi, what do you do? How'd you do today? Like, what are you into? What do you like? I don't know. Does he, is he like movies?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Like fuck, give a shit and everything he gives a shit about and, and see where that goes. I think I'll go a long way.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Oh, I'm glad. I was a little nervous how helpful I could be, but I feel- No, it was really, really, really good. I feel good about, yeah, I feel good about what was said. Please keep us posted. I'd love an update. I mean, I would love to hear how this young man's doing, but yeah, you're doing a great thing.
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The wedding planner's like, no, we got it handled. The bride's always checking in. Is it handled? Is it handled? Is it handled? Like, you know, that person is not focused on their wedding, right? So it really comes down to the bride and groom and what will make their wedding day special. Like, will drama affect their wedding day?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Will like other people talking about grandpa losing their shit, make her feel embarrassed and, you know, stop her from enjoying her wedding day. And those are all valid and, you know, valid reasons. But she just has to she has to kind of play out the scenarios. And then she has to, like, anticipate what her reaction will be.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
in those scenarios because if she is hoping for the best and that hoping for the best is grandpa doesn't lose his shit but knowing that if the if the best doesn't happen it could ruin everything then you definitely don't want grandpa to come but if hoping for the best is hoping that grandpa doesn't lose his shit but like if he does he does what we'll deal with it and it's not going to affect the wedding it will just be something we have to like take 10 minutes to handle
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you know? Yeah. And yeah. You know, how big is this wedding question? Is it huge?
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Does everyone know that grandpa's a little, I don't think so.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Maybe they should be. I don't know. Listen, we all have family members that are a little fucking crazy. She's not the first. She won't be the last. This is a fairly extreme example, but we live in divisive times and there will be a lot of people at this wedding that are not of like minds. And that's fine. No one should be discussing anything other than the bride and groom, right?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
So I think he should probably not be invited, but the bride just needs to understand what she is saying yes to if she invites him and just understand what that looks like. And if she does invite him, she needs to consider the possibility the best way
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to avoid an unexpected event at her wedding is to like, I don't know, I don't know if you need to like blast, you know, tell everyone, but like, I don't know, certain people might need to know. I would definitely inform the person doing the ceremony because in those moments, that person's in charge. Let's assume in the middle of the ceremony, grandpa stands up and like goes on his spiel, right?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Like mother-in-law slash like presider of the wedding could like literally point to someone and like everyone stay, you know, literally, you know, that kind of whole thing that someone does when they're like speaking in front of a room. It would be important for that person to have a heads up about like any situation that could handle. The wedding planner needs to know, right?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
If there's a wedding planner, certain people need to be like on the lookout. Now that is at a cost, right? to certain people who would otherwise want to enjoy the wedding, you know, like father of the bride.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
So are you, how capable are you at handling grandpa?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
I am not super confrontational, but I think in that moment, I would do my best to get him out of... And if you're asked to do that, it sounds like you're willing to do that at the risk of not being able to electric slide or eat all the hors d'oeuvres.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
yeah but i would say i'll do the best i can you know like yeah i think you're fine with me like i'm not super close with them so i don't i can look at it a little bit from like an outsider perspective of i think you're better off you and the family basically giving the bride permission to uninvite grandpa from the perspective of a bride and groom you know
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
who it was not that hard to to find something better and something you're really excited about and something that feels good i mean it's like honestly like i it's fucking depressing out there man like it's people are just so disconnected and men and women when it comes to heterosexual relationships have some incredibly valid gripes about the opposite sex
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
but none of us, no, no side is willing to like do anything about it or, or, you know, and, and, and the world today tells us that have, we have every right to blame someone else for our problems. And it's a fucking mess out there. And yet you, you know, you, you found a pretty good thing.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Okay. What else? I mean, is that the big, is there anything else that you're comparing? Or is that just the real?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
um mean sure but that's normal i don't know like when i'm when i'm stoned like i can know i piss off like and i do something stupid when i'm stoned now it's 10 times more irritated than me but do you feel like does it hurt your feelings
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
hurt my feelings no do i get frustrated at times does it can it feel a little naggy and a little like unnecessary and does it feel like she's getting mad at me for not the thing i did but like she's just making a mountain out of a molehill type of thing sure yeah it can feel like that yeah
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And that's maybe where some of your fears come from.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And that is a risk. That's a risk. You are dating someone. I mean, I don't know. It's a risk I took. You know, I married someone a lot younger than me who I knew still had life to live that I had already lived.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And I had to be willing to let that play out, not knowing how that could have, you know, it's just by definition, my wife most likely was going to change more than I was going to change in our marriage or in our relationship.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
I hope that we've changed together, but you know, I'm just saying it was like a concern of mine and something I do be mindful of. And you're going to have to still, you're going to have to challenge yourself to be good at allowing your partner to help you and to challenge and to push you
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
There's always a power dynamic in any relationship and it changes a lot and the goal is to try to have that power dynamic for the most part be fairly consistent. When I met Natalie, I felt very much, in a lot of ways, I felt in control, a lot of which was as a product of me being a lot older and my subconscious probably felt like I knew better or knew more. And I'm sure at times it came across as
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And that's kind of natural being older. And that's something you have to be mindful of. And it sounds like you are aware of it, but a lot of your fears maybe come from thinking he doesn't know better and I know better. Totally.
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I'm not saying it wouldn't be difficult. I'm not saying you would have a couple of real bad days or weeks or you would be okay.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Well, I mean, listen, you know, if you tell yourself you're not going to be okay, then for a period of time, you won't be, you know, it's like for me, when it comes to heartbreak, the initial pain of heartbreak never gets easier. You know, it actually gets harder, right? Your first heartbreak, you don't even know what it is you're feeling. And it feels like the end of the world.
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And the scary part about that is you literally don't know you're going to get over it because you've never even been in love, let alone knowing how to get over love. The initial heartbreak when you experience it for the second or third or fourth time in your life The initial pain is sometimes worse because it's like, not again. I'm older. I can't believe this has happened to me again.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
How am I going to actually move on from that? You're kind of more worried about the future. But what you do know is that you can get over it. And so you can consciously say, I'm hurting now. I'm in pain now. I feel all these feelings. But I'll get over it. I don't know if it's a week from now or a month from now or two, but I, I do know how to get over someone. I already have done that.
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There's certain just like steps to getting over someone. Right. Like that. It's like anything else. Right. So you, you can, and you will, you know, and you just don't know what your, the future holds for yourself. I mean, again, you know, like again, as a woman, it's different than as a man, biological clock, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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But like, I'm sitting here with you today talking when I was your age and You could not have convinced me I would be where I'm in today. And like, you know, a guy who hosts a pop culture podcast talking about reality TV and Real Housewives and Bravo and like The Bachelor and like interviewing celebrities that I like saw on TV. It's like, you just never couldn't.
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So instead of being afraid of the future and what you don't know, the better part of maturing about is just knowing how to, you're developing skills to adapt and to be resilient.
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If I were you, I would embrace your resiliency and try to think about what allowed you to get over that very painful breakup and know that that is in your bag of skills, so to speak, that if you ever need in the future, and maybe you'll never have to be emotionally resilient when it comes to your romantic life. Maybe he's your guy.
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but you're going to have to be resilient in other aspects of your life. There's other forms of heartbreak that, that aren't just romantic relationships.
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So when you say compare. you're not necessarily comparing your current boyfriend to your ex and missing things. You're more comparing in the sense that like, is this seemingly perfect man and seemingly best relationship I've ever had gonna eventually turn into that dog shit relationship I survived?
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then done and i know like what did they say like talk to yourself like you would talk to a friend sure but yeah you know you don't you're you're well i mean you you are invested in your little sister's outcome i guess to a certain extent but like you're more invested in the outcome of your life and you're emotionally connected to your life and and your ego you have a very loud ego as we all do and and when you're talking to your sister you know you're not
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You know, you're just, it's very pragmatic and, and, and you don't have to like, you're, you're, you're talking to me, hearing what I'm saying while you're still hearing voices in your head in a way, you know, that's why it's easier to, to, to give advice than take it.
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I think there's a difference between having an awareness and communicating to your partner things that trigger you or insecurities that you have. But it's a fine line between I don't know if you need to like bring it up to him. And then especially if there's nothing for him to do about it.
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You know, because it sounds like as you workshop this problem in your head or talk with me about it, you're like kind of recognizing that like he doesn't have a drinking problem. And while he doesn't even drink more than me, he just has a friend that is struggling and he does enjoy spending time with that friend.
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And every once in a while he might do something that irritates me, but it's definitely not a sign of any type of overconsumption or anything like that. So like,
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bringing it up to him i'm right now it sounds like you're bringing it up to him expecting him to like say or do something to make you feel better yeah and if he's not doing anything wrong like what is he supposed to say or do i know i think it's also like i am an over communicator like whether that's a good or a bad thing like in every area of life like work probably both
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When was the last time you said, you know, without an explanation, I was wrong, I'm sorry.
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And give it a shot. I'm sorry, but let me explain why isn't an apology.
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You know, it's, I'm sorry you're mad, but let me explain why you should be less mad. It's like, well, I don't, I don't even care about me being mad. I just want to know that you're not going to do this again.
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You know, so when you're sitting there trying to explain to your boyfriend that why you got triggered and why your frustration, how you treated him, you're justifying your actions. You're explaining what he can do differently so that you don't feel that way, so that you don't do the thing that you had to apologize for.
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So in a very passive aggressive way, you're kind of blaming him for the thing that you're apologizing for.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah. The silver lining is if that, you know, usually there's always this one. How many other hub breaks have you had?
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I don't know. Well, can you just say like the next day where you're like, I'm sorry, I was so dismissive.
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How often do you thank him or show appreciation or compliment him or make him feel good or just say, you know, every once in a while, just I'm really lucky to have you and I'm grateful for having you. And I don't know.
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It sounds like, honestly, part of some of your anxiety and fears is the fact that, like you said, he's the same age that you were when you started. And so you are a little older than him. And you are, in some ways, maybe more mature than him. And your boyfriend's still at a stage of his life where it makes sense that he's still going out and staying out a little later. Yeah.
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And that is a product of you having to accept dating a man who's four years younger than you. And, you know, and that's where some of the grace for yourself and for him. And so you, you need to acknowledge that as a choice you made and you might have to like
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at two in the morning when he comes home a little buzzed minus the driving aspect of it bite your bite your tongue and recognize that you are in a bad mood and maybe you're not in the mood to deal and still deal and put on the happy face because like you chose to date this person And you are going to date this person both for their benefits and accept their shortcomings.
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And the good news for you, some of his shortcomings are a product of his age, which actually might and probably will change. As opposed to dating someone, you realize... You know, like when I met Natalie, I was like, sorry to break it to you, but I'm probably going to leave Cabot doors open for the rest of my life and do a bunch of dumb shit that's absent minded.
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It sounds like this heartbreak was maybe the worst or no.
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That's going to drive you fucking nuts. And it's almost certainly never going to get much better than it is today.
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Yeah, I mean, so listen, as far as you're gonna be triggered by your ex, you sound like you ruminate a lot and overthink, which is fine, but just get better at doing that by yourself without projecting that onto your relationship or your boyfriend. And when you're like, when you can tell yourself he's not doing anything wrong, it sounds like you're still treating him sometimes like he is.
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And that will, you know, and if you get frustrated at your boyfriend for things that he's not doing wrong and you're not even asking him to change anything, he's going to, and that's why he probably said, I feel like I'm being a bad boyfriend. Because you're treating him a certain way and you're expressing a frustration, but you're not giving him, men are very solution oriented for the most part.
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And you're just like, well, I don't know. I don't want you to feel this way. I don't want to keep doing what you're doing, but I don't even think you're even asking me to change anything. It's like, you know, you're not being like, I don't think you should hang out with Max anymore.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
right you know it's like you that would be you know that would be like crazy because like you're not gonna stop you know it's just like yeah and you're and he's like well do you want me to stop hanging out i don't like is that what you're asking i don't know what am i supposed to i don't what the fuck like am i a bad boyfriend um yeah so yeah and he's so like he's he probably would
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
So I, that's the case though. Then I think that, that that's not a positive sign. That's not a green flag. That's a red flag. That means that you hold a little too much power in this relationship.
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I'm like, I, you can't, you can't, you can't, you have to let go of some of this control. You have a control. You, you have a control problem. Your heart is going to be broken in the future. I guarantee it. I don't know how, I don't know why you're going to experiencing, you're going to experience pain again. You're going to, you're going to feel victimized again. Yeah. But that's a guarantee.
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So just let that go. Accept it because you are doing a little too much and it's, you know, you're going to have to let go of some of that power that you think your boyfriend should have in this relationship because you're not letting them have it.
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You didn't let your, you didn't let your boyfriend come to this call because you were afraid of how he might make you look in front of me.
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He's like, I don't know.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Well, I honestly think as much as I love a mediation, this is a you problem, not a we problem.
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I don't know what he's supposed to do.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
You got to stop talking about your boyfriend like that.
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You know, he's not your sweet little baby.
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Yeah, you got to let go of some control. You can't make him embrace the power dynamic in his favor, but you at least have to allow him the opportunity to take the shot, so to speak. Right now, you're not passing him the ball. You're kind of the ball hog. And you can't make him shoot. You can't make him drive the lane, so to speak.
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But you have to pass him the ball and see if he has the guts to take the shot and take the lead. And, and, and part of your fear of heartbreak, I think is you trying to control this relationship and, and, and he's more malleable than, and then as a, a young man who, who, who is a well, he's a well-intentioned young man.
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Someday this man is going to get older. And whether you let him have more power or not, eventually he's going to want more. And you're far better off to allow it happen rather than make him resent you for realizing you didn't let him have it.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And that you were a little condescending and acted above him at times where right now he's just kind of excited that he's dating a mature hot woman. He was older than him and he feels kind of like good about himself and he kind of likes that. But that will fade.
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an event and you've only been eight months, he's going to every day that you're in this relationship, he's going to feel more like you're equal and you're, you're make sure he doesn't have to take that power back.
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Well, it starts by how you talk about them to yourself and to your friends and to others, because I don't think sometimes you even realize the things that come out of your mouth.
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I think you need to be open to, I don't, I'm being willing to bet that you haven't mentally even been open to the possibility that you can learn a lot from your boyfriend.
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I think you have almost minimized what he brings to the table and thought of it as this sweet innocent boy who doesn't know better or whatever. But I think you need to be open to the possibility that your boyfriend, who might be four years younger than you, has a lot to teach you. And that maybe I think you should be open to taking his lead and allowing him to lead.
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and and because right now like yeah you're too much you're you're too afraid of this thing going south that you've really taken control of this relationship and his and because he is younger and because you're so kind of confident you're just generally you can tell a generally confident person he's okay with you being in the lead right now but that will definitely change yeah
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Yeah, it's less about you being a nag. Your big problem is control.
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I need you to try to compliment him on things that he has done for you. Like I'm willing to, I bet I'm willing, I'm willing to guess that your compliments are more like, I don't know, like a mom child.
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Like, you know, it's like you put a gold star on their fridge, like not that, you know, like you're proud of your kid, but you know you could do it and you're complimenting him because he's doing the thing that you did four years ago and you're proud of him from learning.
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And so when you started dating your ex, kind of like you said, like it was it was good, but then it got bad.
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i want you to look for things to compliment him on things that you're like you know since i've been with you you've taught me a lot about this and since i've been with you this is something you've helped me with you know how does he help you be your best self i hate the phrase he helps me be a better person because that's entirely up to you but does he make it easier or harder for you to be a better person
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And how does he inspire you? And those are the ways you should compliment him. Things that he doesn't get from you. You're not proud of him that he's taking your advice like a parent would say to a child. You're not proud of him because he's cute up on stage. But you could say... I don't have the guts to do what you do. Like open mic every, like that takes fucking guts. You're brave.
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Like, honestly, I don't know. Like that's, I wish I had that and find ways to compliment him like that. Not some, like, it's cute that you do that. Like, I don't know. I think it's pretty fucking brave and cool. And that bravery is going to like help in other aspects of his life. You know, I'm something I find really attractive about you is how much, you know, you have courage.
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So you're in a relationship?
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Like you're not afraid, you know, You gotta make sure you don't say it in a way that it's just like, what do you mean brave? Do I suck? You're good at complimenting him, but I'm willing to bet sometimes your compliments feel a little condescending. And I say that as someone who has gotten that feedback.
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Yeah. And part of that good was him not seemingly having a problem with alcohol in the first two and a half years.
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Yeah. You said you, you like to compliment people. You, you, you do that as a kindness and it makes you feel good to make other people feel better. I want you to focus on complimenting people from a place of gratitude.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
You are grateful for what these people have done for you. And as a result, you want to compliment them on how, what, you know, because you are grateful for what they've brought to your life.
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Not because it makes you feel better.
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Yeah. Because again, when you say that like that, it's like you're doing the kindness. Here's I'm, I'm lifting them up. I'm making them feel good. I'm inspiring them, you know, like, like again, not like, wow, I've, you know, thank it's again, it's coming from a place of gratitude. Not, not, not like you're helping.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
It's a general thought. I mean, but yeah, think about it. I don't, you know, I'm sure there are lots of ways. Well, you know, you just got to tweak your thought process a little bit, you know? And again, it's a relatively new relationship, but you know, and the fact that you called it, you, you sense the disconnect. So it's, it's just, you know, but yeah, I guess like, it's like preventative.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
you know yeah okay all right okay well i appreciate you so much uh thanks for calling in uh always yeah always uh always good to hear a new uh unique situation but like you know listen you have it's a lot sounds like you should be happy for and grateful for and just again Be mindful of how much control you need in any given situation.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
What do you compare the most? Describe what you mean by comparing.
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Allow your boyfriend to take more control or have more control, but you just have to let go of your control and pass him the ball. It's passing the ball and shut the fuck up. It's not passing the ball and then immediately be his coach.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Well, just recognize it, you know? Okay. And then when it comes to complimenting him, you're not complimenting him as a coach or a parent and you're not doing it to make him feel good. You're doing it from a place of gratitude.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Uh, maybe just think about it for an hour and write it down and then not again. Cause you, you, you stop obsessing.
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I don't think this is an all day exercise. It might be a five minute exercise every day.
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All right. I appreciate you. Have a great rest of your day. Okay, you too. Bye-bye.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
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I always say, listen, therapy is better when approached like a bicycle helmet rather than reconstructive surgery. It can certainly do both. But like, listen, we all have a lot going on. We all have a lot to get out. And sometimes it's just better to get it out with a third party person who is trained in these sorts of things rather than
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Rather than packing it all in and then bursting it out on your loved ones at the worst time possible.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Okay, what do you mean by women's suffrage?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
What's the 19th Amendment?
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Jesus Christ. And how serious do you think he is?
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What even caused you guys to even get to the point where he felt the need to say something as ridiculous as this?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Well, kind of like you said too, right? Like, I mean, I've never been a big drinker, but in my twenties, I mean, it wouldn't be that crazy for me to go out Thursday, Friday, Saturday night and two of those nights to get like pretty drunk.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
I'm not familiar. What is the household vote?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Where is that being floated around?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Gotcha. All right. Yeah. Yeah. We just have to be careful to not, you know, that's the problem with the internet is sometimes the, the, the extremes on both sides of which I'm terrified equally of both have way too much of a voice. And because of the shock value of the extremes, they get brought up in conversations and yada, yada.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Anyways, that being said, your boyfriend sounds like he took the bait. A little bit.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And then what did you say?
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Sure. And then you, did you?
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And then again, I'm curious. How did you, when you came home, if you remember, how did you broach the subject or get the conversation started up again?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Okay. And then he said.
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Okay. And then you said.
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Um, yeah. Which is a lot more excessive than I drink now, right? But when you're in your 20s and going out, it's pretty normal for a group of friends to kind of party and party together and go out on a regular basis and drink in excess on a regular basis.
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At any point early in this debate, did you ask him, what role do you see me playing in your life if we get married?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Was that your version of asking what I asked you?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Well, I asked you at any point in that conversation, did you ask him specifically? Problem with sometimes conversations like this, right? And what the point I'm trying to make is, this isn't about the 19th Amendment as far as you and your boyfriend are concerned. And this isn't about whatever radical conservative beliefs anyone else thinks or feels.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
This has your concern and why you're even thinking about breaking up with your boyfriend. is you're wondering if these potential radical beliefs that your boyfriend may have, how does it apply to you in your relationship and how he treats you, right? And what role does he want his wife to play? And what role, what kind of relationship does he want?
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And what kind of dynamic does he want in a relationship? Because sometimes when we have these conversations, It gets into the weeds. And at the end of the day, you just want to know, are you potentially marrying some guy who's been radicalized by some dark web, red pill, fucking aggro aggressive guys who might have some weird fucking demands once you get married of his wife being potentially you?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Because that's your concern.
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What's his back? Like, what's his child? What's his background? Like, what's?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
How old are you again? I'm 26. 26, he's 33. So where are we now?
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So it's really kind of hard to tell the difference between the friends who are just yoloing it and the people who maybe have a little drinking problem. Yeah.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Sure. I mean, I'm assuming you asked, but like, does he like just generally have a less respect for women than he has for men?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Well, because it's a it's a pretty radical belief. And if you really believe it and it's a hill you're willing to die on, then eventually it is going to impact your actions.
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I mean, if it's not that big of a deal and if it's he was saying it for shock value to piss off his girlfriend at the bars because he just felt like being a little toxic, that's one thing. But the fact that he's kind of like, no, I mean, I really kind of actually think this way. It's concerning.
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The way your boyfriend sounds, you know, it's just like, so why do you believe that, you know?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
That's crazy. I mean, listen, like Natalie and I, we're not very political in general. We have very similar beliefs in a lot of things. We don't talk about politics almost ever. I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that we're not completely aligned on every topic, but we don't give a fuck.
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And we very much, when it comes to our household, I like to think, I don't like using the words conservative or progressive because now like everything else, it's become almost radicalized and triggering for people. But like, we very much focus on being a team and we very much focus on,
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being a partnership but like we just don't allow politics to dictate our you know positive you know like i know a lot of people out there i mean they might even be listening it's like that's such a privilege to you know wait you know it's like a lot of people you know that's yeah maybe it does come from a place of privilege but i i'm politics are not my religion and i do think it's you know i'm going on a bit of a tangent here but i do think as human beings we need a belief system
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
we need to believe in things greater than ourselves. You know, we need a purpose in life. You know, what is that purpose? Right. And I'm not much of a religious person anymore. I grew up very religious. I'm very familiar with a religious household. I'm comfortable with it. And unlike other people, I generally had a pretty positive experience with my religion.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
My reasons for not being very religious are just like, I don't know. I just, yeah, it doesn't really matter. But, um, My point is we, us humans, we need a belief system and we've replaced traditional religion with other things. And one of it is being politics. People now treat their politics like a religion.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Like it's, you know, you're going to burn in hell if you believe in one thing or the other. I think that's absurd. I think we're worrying about so many things outside of our control and we need to worry about what shows up at our front door.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And I think a lot of partnerships, boyfriend and girlfriend, husband and wife, whatever, spend too much time arguing about things like politics for the sake of being a right and they're wasting all that energy when they could just be taking better care of themselves and each other or their children. And it's not coming from a place of privilege. It's just coming from, like, you got one life.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Are you going to spend most of that life arguing with your neighbors? You can be involved. You know, you can have a political belief. You can even stand up for those beliefs and debate people you disagree with. You can vote and you can do your part and it doesn't have to consume and control your whole goddamn life.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And that doesn't mean you're just some privileged person who has the benefit of like, you know, like, and my dad taught me a very important lesson, you know, when I was, you know, a lot of time, you're right, it is all privilege.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And a lot of people arguing about politics and a lot of people saying and criticizing other people who say things like I'm not as political, they're privileged too for having that belief about the other privileged people. Because most of the time, if you have the benefit of, of arguing about stuff like this, that means that you're not worried about like how you're getting your next meal.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And if you can afford your rent and where your kids are going to get, you know, because they're most people out there don't even have the fucking benefit to argue a politics because they're literally trying to survive that all being said. Yeah. I don't know. It sounds like your boyfriend's a bit radicalized or a bit lost, you know?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Well, yes and no. I don't know. I think it's a fine line. I think you could find a lot of incredibly conservative, almost radically conservative men who 98% of the time make some pretty great husbands and who want to help and take care. It's like if you're thinking of more traditional men, it's just like,
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
A lot of what they do could be very positive in a sense because they are taking care of the people they love. But the problem was when it gets to the extreme, the problem is part of that belief isn't like they're taking care of the people they love because they love to. They think they're taking care of people they love because the people they're taking care of can't take care of themselves.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And is he taking care of you because... he loves and respects you and thinks you're more than capable of doing all these things or is he doing it because it's his job and honestly you can't survive without him you know it's a fine line
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
There are certain just beliefs out there that are pretty messed up. And if you are serious about backing up messed up beliefs, it really does. Just because you haven't done it yet doesn't mean it's okay to still believe in something as radical as what you're saying. I guess I'm just confused. If you really don't believe it, why are you willing to die on this hill?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And if we're trying to give your boyfriend the benefit of the doubt, You know, it's like, what are you trying to say that you're, you know what I'm saying? Cause like, maybe it's not about the 19th amendment or this radical, like, but what, what are you trying to say that you're using this argument to try to make that comes across as radical?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
But like, again, you, I've never, you know, I'm dating you and I never thought I'd be dating a radical conservative man, but like, you're, you're kind of sounding like one. So I'm just, I'm, I'm confused, you know? So like, what the fuck are you trying? What, what, you know, why is he dying on this hill? I don't, you know, is it for being right? Like what, why?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
That's fair. But again, if you thought incest wasn't that big of a deal, just because you haven't fucked a sibling doesn't make it not weird that you think it's not a big deal. Honestly, maybe that analogy will... Make him see what you're seeing. And you can say like, this is what I'm struggling with. This is why I'm having a hard time letting this go.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Because you saying that feels kind of, I mean, I'm having a hard time adjusting. And you're saying, well, I haven't, I don't act that way. I don't do those things. So why are you making it about me? And you could say, well, if you told me you were okay with, again, using this kind of crazy incest, whatever. If I told you I didn't think incest was a big deal,
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And that like, I don't know, I just don't think it's that weird. And maybe people, we should allow siblings to like get married and have kids just because I didn't sleep with my brother. Wouldn't that bother you knowing I believe that?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Because that's how, yeah. And you'd be like, cause that's kind of how you're sounding to me. And I, I don't know. I want to be with a person that if one day they might real, I might wake up and realize that they voted against my right to vote.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
But the fact that he doesn't think it's a non-negotiable is concerning.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
What about like women only be allowed to vote and not men? How about that? Like if it's a household vote, like why not?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
I mean, like men have started more wars than women ever have.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
He's very worried. Great. Yeah. Great.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
I mean, I'm ashamed to say that the younger version of me had thought that way about, not about this particular topic, but so then maybe there's just some immature ignorance on his part. I wasn't 33. I know that I was more like 19, but.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Yeah, but again, if he wants to make a silly argument, again, there are a lot of tropes and stereotypes of men that there's a lot of truth to. Again, the emotional, it's like, well, how many wars have women started compared to men? Women are more emotionally regulated compared to their egos. Men have killed millions of people in the name of being right or feeling more powerful or being greedy.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
so what about that and the truth is it's kind of silly for you guys to have this argument and you know and that's what i want to know it's like i want to know if i'm you i want to know why is this a hill you're trying to die on other like is it just about being right and like what what point are you trying to make if any if anything you know because like he needs to at least at a minimum
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
For you to stay in this relationship, I think he needs to at least acknowledge that analogy, the fact that he is condoning this thought process, that it's concerning from your point of view. Because whether it's now or later, he's describing... a world that you want nothing to do with. And you don't want to condone that type of radical belief.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
You don't want to live in a world where it's like women can't vote or are treated like second-class citizens. Would you want to walk around being like, yeah, you know, I love my wife, my girlfriend. just is weirdly okay with pedophilia. But other than that, she's pretty, she's chill.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And by the way, just so you know, she has not ever victimized a child as far as I know, but she does think it's not that big of a deal. Like, would he, would that, is that what?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Would he be down for that? Like.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
I mean, that doesn't make it so.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
I don't know. I mean, let's like, shh. You might have to break, I don't know. Listen, either he really means it or he's too stubborn for his own good. And like, you know, this is kind of silly and we don't even know how serious it is in a weird way. But like, it's weird.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
What am I misunderstanding? Because this is how I see it. And then you give them that analogy that we talked about. And ask them, that kind of my point. What is the point you're trying to make? And forgetting about, don't use political terms. Forget about the 19th Amendment. What is the point you're trying to make and why? And what's the outcome you're trying to accomplish?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
The only reason I'm not looking for your boyfriend to save his friend. It's nice if you can and it's nice if he's there. The reason I asked that question is because I wanted to know what his perception of his friend, if it matched your perception of that problem. I have friends who I have concerns or have had concerns about their consumption.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Like, you know, if he's just arguing for the sake of being right, then like you're, this is annoying. And all it's caused me to do is kind of think you're a different person or less of you just for, just so you can win an argument. Cause I don't know. Maybe he's just so stubborn. He needs to be right. That I wouldn't ignore this. I definitely wouldn't let it go.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Does it relate to this argument or like as just as whole separate?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Having goals. He finds unhelpful.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Like, what do you want? I don't know. Goals might change, but like, it's good to have them. Especially, you know.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
So why are you dating this guy? I mean, he doesn't know what he wants. He doesn't even know if he wants to have kids or get married. He might be radical. And even his goal is a little radical. I mean, I'm all for like, as I've gotten older, I've always liked a busy city. I've always lived in a city. Now that I'm a little older, I've definitely enjoyed a more quiet life. That's cool.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
But a 33-year-old man, all he wants to do is live on a farm and grow his own food in case the radical left takes over. That's how he sounds. Yeah.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Yeah. It's a tough situation, but treating you well is nice. Enjoying those are, those are good, but like, I don't, his, you guys have to want to set, you got it. You want to have to want the same things. And maybe your non-negotiables aren't aligned. I mean, he's a pretty good boyfriend, but I wouldn't waste these years on someone you're just not compatible with.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
I thought you might say that. I think to help yourself, you need to do your part in the not needing to be right.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
argument you need to stop you know forget about the 19 i mean this is a crazy conversation but what this conversation has done for you is made you question um and made you realize that you don't know if you and your boyfriend want the same things and you are still really young but at a very pivotal time in your life that you do not want to waste these these are great years
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
26 great years and you shouldn't waste it on, on people who don't know, you know, you, you might, you know, like, yeah. So like, it's, you just want to be mindful of that, you know? So you're going to change this conversation of like, I don't like, are we compatible?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And I still, you know, I hung out with them and they were still my close friends and I spent a lot of time with them. And it was more like, well, I know I'm not worried about having, you know, you're worried because like your ex-boyfriend allowed himself to get caught up with friends or people who influenced or it felt like influenced his behavior.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And just, and, and not throw it like an accusation, just be like, I don't know, maybe we're not like, you know, just, and do you know that you want to get married and have kids?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
I'm just generally curious as to why...
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Okay. I just, I was just curious. I just, I, I, and I don't want to seem like I'm, I'm not trying to push you in any one direction. It's just more like there is definitely a, a, when I talk to younger people, this mentality that like, what's the point because life is trash and the world's on fire. And that I hate for people. Um, and, uh,
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Great. Awesome. So I don't know, again, it, it, So then maybe in that department, you guys are compatible because he doesn't know either. But yeah, I would just pose the question that it's just weird that he's very stubborn about this topic. And it's crazy. I've never... It's crazy. It's alarming.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
So I was not expecting it at all. I consider myself to be fairly moderate. You know, like I have...
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
points of view that i think are probably generally more conservative than others and i have points of view that are pretty progressive and that sounds fucking radical to me man like i don't it's just like a crazy if someone i would just be like what website were you on dude like what what do you like who you've been listening to you know yeah i don't know where he found this i i've talked about this with very few people but that was actually a question my mom had and she was like where is he reading this where is he getting this idea and i have no idea
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Because if I'm you, that's more of the concern. Because it came from somewhere. And who are his circle of influence? Because maybe it's just like a petty fight now, but if he continues to consume or surround himself with the people who are planting these very radical thoughts in his head, then these radical thoughts for him will only become more normalized.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
and he's going to start maybe act acting on i don't know but like i would find out where this came from and if he if he can't acknowledge that it's a radical point of view even if he thinks he's right then then that's a that's i wouldn't let that go yeah i don't think i could let that go personally either
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
No, I totally get it. Yeah. It's just, listen, this is a very unique. I, I, I'm kind of like, I'm like, I'm kind of wondering if you're fucking with me. No, I mean, I know. I wish I was. Only because like, yeah, you know, clearly talking to you, like it's, I'm like, how did this, how did a woman like this end up being a guy like that in the first place? You know, cause that's what's kind of.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
But you got to see the difference between your current boyfriend and your ex-boyfriend, which is like, he can recognize somehow he can go out, enjoy alcohol, socially be around people.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Yeah. The best thing you can do as far in terms of, you know, cause ultimately you called in trying to get some clarity. Right. And I don't know how much I offered other than like commiserating with the shock of your situation.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
is you try to have to, again, not make it about this political conversation or the 19th Amendment, and you have to try to not be accusatory or make him feel stupid, but generally curious as to why he thinks that way and push him when he says, well, I don't know, I just do, and get him to acknowledge, well, fair enough, but that's the part that is concerning to me because this is how I hear it, and then give him that analogy.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And if if he just wants to be right, fine. But like in good conscience, you wouldn't want to date someone who thought. Blank was legal and vice versa.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
I don't know if it really matters. I mean, what's the rush?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
you know, if you feel like right now, you know, processing that, like, I don't know, like, I guess there's no reason to be hasty, then don't be hasty. And if you feel like you just kind of want to sit with it for a while and sit with it. But in the meantime, he clearly understands that you're upset about this and he has the opportunity to try to do something.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And he can be aware of, of, of people's overconsumption and problematic decisions and the lack of, you know, and be concerned for his friends so much, you know, it would be concerning if he was like, I don't know, like I see it, but my boyfriend is kind of like And I don't know, he just thinks his friends is kind of chilling and like, I don't know, like maybe he thinks he has a problem.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And maybe that's why you want to sit and wait because you want to see if he's going to knock on your door and be like, Hey, I'm sorry. I was just kind of being an ass and I'm realizing that now. And I don't actually think that way. And, and but I don't know if that's the case.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Take some time to think about that. And you know, that's the thing that's, if there's a silver lining here, maybe it's raised some valid questions that you need to take some time to think over. Because what I'm hearing is maybe if you do decide to end this relationship, you don't want it to be over some random thing he said, right? Because that almost feels trivial.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
It's just like, and that's kind of how he's acting and seeing it. Is this like, are we really going to break over this bar conversation?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Well, to me, that's like kind of a red flag. I mean, he's not seeing the problem. If he's acting like a victim here, your views are radical, bro.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And most, you know, and then, you know, you need to be around a radical person.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Yeah. Well, he's clearly very stubborn and he's choosing to act like the victim in a situation where he's definitely not.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
All right. Well, take care. Please give us an update. I need to know where this...
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
I appreciate it. I'll send the update when I have one. I definitely want to know what you end up doing.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
All right. Take care. Thank you so much for your time. All right.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
You know, and then I would say, oh, you know, I see why you're concerned. But like he sees the problem, you know, and you see the problem.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
So like you're worried about a guy who's worried about his friend and you're more worried about this friend he's worrying about being a bad influence as if like this troubled friend is gonna sell him on how great his life is that your boyfriend's gonna be like, yeah, I want some of that in my life.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
How's it going? It's doing good. How are you? Good. What's your name?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Okay. Well, he is your baby daddy. So I don't know how much, you know, he's kind of in your life for a while, but romantically, I'm assuming you're meeting?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
If you're comfortable with it? Yeah.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Another thing is I found out- Did your sister do any, like, was she immediately like, no, don't? Or they messed around?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
So it feels like your ex-husband really took advantage of her weaknesses.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Thank you for saying. OK, so what I'm hearing is your baby daddy is a mess. thankfully you're finally out of it. It sounds like you're even in a better relationship now. So what, what are you, you know, you started by asking if you could, should cut off your baby daddy. Like, what does that look like? And you know, like what specifically are you considering doing?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Yeah, I'll call you when you admit that you hurt me.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
So we've established that your ex and father of your child is an absolute loser. So we got that. So I completely empathize with how you're feeling. So one is your son, because to me, he's the biggest concern in this equation, right? Obviously yours too. Yes. And he's obviously old enough and self-aware. And I'm pretty proud of him for setting that boundary with his dad.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
I don't know where he got that from, but that's pretty cool. Oh, you know, but like, have you looked in any type of child psychology to like, just.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Do you understand your rights? Have you spoken to a lawyer who specializes in custody cases?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
boyfriend to adopt my son but i just like don't know what the right thing is to do you know i just don't know i think right now the first thing you need to do is i'm glad you got some advice from someone who seems to know a little bit about this but i would just go meet with a lawyer who specializes in this and fully understand your rights. I doubt your baby daddy has done that, right?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
So he's just making threats to you to try to scare you to whatever. But you need to fully understand what you can do and what you can't do, what is available to you, what risks might come up by you taking certain actions. I just want you to understand your risks and your rights. right?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
I'm glad you've already talked to people, but you're here like, Nick, what should I do? What's the right thing to do? And we consider, here and talk about the moralities of this decision, but this is bigger than just like what, you know, the morality of the choice you need to, you know, first you need to protect your child. You need to protect yourself.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And so, and to do that, you need to understand your rights. And the good thing you have going for you is I doubt based off what you're telling me about your baby daddy, he sounds like a loser. And most losers aren't smart enough to like, you know,
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
understand their rights and and he and if he doesn't have a means to like you know if he's kind of a loser when it comes to money yeah he just he probably doesn't know so you getting ahead of it gives you advantages that you know he would otherwise not have yeah he just always threatens to fight me and and say that i'm gonna have to pay him child support since i make more money than him but obviously at this point i'm not scared of that i don't know if that's true or not true right you know what i'm saying like maybe maybe it's true maybe it's not true but yeah i mean
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
But again, that's why you need to, that's why you need to understand your rights because you and I are just sitting here guessing about hypotheticals and things we don't know.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And you need someone who just fully, all right, here are your options. If you do A, you know, here are the advantages, here are the risks. If you B, advantages, risks. C-
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
So, so what are you considering doing?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
I would defer to your child psychologist, but my very unexperienced opinion is I definitely wouldn't like it. Your kid seems to be old enough to set boundaries for himself. And I think a lot of parents in your situation, I can empathize with why, will project their bullshit onto their kids and fight with their exes through their kids and use their kids as a way to get back at their partner.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
i'm not sensing that from you it's i'm sensing you're almost still trying to do the right thing even though your your ex hasn't given you any reason for for you to try to do the right thing so if your son doesn't want to talk to his dad i would respect your son's boundaries you know i would also like acknowledge that your son has the right to feel how he feels and that He's okay to feel that way.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And as sad as it is, he's also not alone in how he's being treated. You know, sadly, you know, just, he's not the only, sadly, not the only child with a parent like this. You know, you want to make sure he doesn't feel like there's something, you know, it's his fault or, he did anything, you know, and just making sure your son is okay. And then whatever your son wants to do.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Now, your big concern is like when your son, if and when he wants to maybe give his dad a second chance that you don't think he deserves. And is he going to want a second chance with his dad and put him, like, as a 15, 16-year-old young man, will he be more vulnerable? You know, I don't know. But like right now, it sounds like your son has a pretty good head on his shoulders and he's got you.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And thankfully, your boyfriend is-
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Yeah. I mean, I get why you're triggered, but.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
At this point, you trying to understand him as you trying to understand yourself. Like you, you know, when you told me the story of all the crazy shit he did, you had to acknowledge that most of those things weren't enough for you to leave. It took him trying to hook up with your sister to want to leave.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
But yeah, it sounds like more of a trigger rather than. Yeah. Like I understand no one else is like, you haven't left your dog, but like, I think dogs are fine sleeping by themselves.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
So there's probably a lot of shame or embarrassment or whatever that you're feeling about your choices. And then it's easier to like explain his actions because if you can justify his actions, then you can justify yours. That's just my guess.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Why are you doing that still?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
If his grandma and aunt or whatever wants to be involved in your son's life and they're proactive about being involved in your son's life, then great. Then if you feel comfortable and safe and you think they're genuinely good people, then you can allow that to happen. I don't think you need to be going out of your way to make sure that he is.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Yeah. But like, you know, I don't know, like how many, how many people are like that close with their aunts and uncles?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
You know, that's true.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
You have some, are you seeing a therapist?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
I get it. But I'm not a therapist. And I appreciate you saying that. And I'm glad you find value in it. But you clearly have some stuff to work through and unpack. And you're doing a good job. And you have great intentions. But you have some blind spots. And that we all do. And don't ruin a good thing by putting too much pressure on your boyfriend. He's not your therapist anymore.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And he's already doing a good job of playing the role as a dad, even though that's not his biological son. I'm sure your boyfriend gets a lot of value. I'm sure your son has brought a lot of value into his life and you've done the same.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Be careful of ignoring the help you need and then assuming that you're getting in other aspects of people who aren't qualified to give it. You know, I wouldn't want your boyfriend to ultimately just feel a little overwhelmed by this, what feels like a, you know, I'm sure your ex feels like a virus or this fucking just disease that won't go away as far as he's concerned.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
But I don't think you're realizing how much you bring up your ex's drama to your boyfriend out of this guilt that you feel of making sure that your son still has a normal childhood.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And this kind of making sure he calls his dad who's shown time and time again to either hurt your son with his words or give him terrible advice or just kind of insisting he has a relationship with his side of the family. Again, if he wants to, great. If they're proactive, great. And they'll say fine.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
But I'm getting the impression that you're doing a little too much and you're not sure what's the right thing to do or the wrong thing to do. And I think that's where maybe a therapist can just, you know, someone to check into and who, you know, might help you workshop these things.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Cause honestly, like, I just don't know if it's, if, if your boyfriend's doing most of the emotional regulating for you, it just like, I just, I would be careful not to, to put it all on him.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
What do you mean by aggressive?
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
I mean, you're wasting energy trying to lecture your ex or coach your ex. I mean, he's clearly not a good dad, not even a good person. He wasn't a good partner. He's not even a good sibling or son. He's just kind of a loser.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
I mean, have you told your son you're really proud of him for setting this boundary? I'm good. Just keep doing that. It's just like, you know, it must be really hard to hear your dad say those very mean things that are not true. And I'm just really proud of you for standing up for yourself. And that's very brave of you. And like, that's... Yeah.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Sure. I mean, and you had a right to be upset about that, right? But there's a difference between being upset about the thing that you have a right to be upset about and addressing that thing and saying, hey, that made me frustrated. I thought I could count on you to take care of my dog.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
I don't even know if I could have done that when I was your age. You know, again, like...
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
I just think you need to do... Take your son's advice. Follow your son's lead. Your son was brave enough and mature enough to recognize that maybe he needs some help. And I think right now... You have a pretty good head on your shoulders and you've got a lot of good things going on.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
But when it comes to your ex-husband or boyfriend or whatever, you're kind of spiraling a little bit and you're pregnant. And like, I just don't want you wasting an ounce of energy on this guy.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
No. I mean, what you're describing, again, I don't understand the legal ramifications. And I know that this can be just very messy, but it doesn't sound like your son's dad deserves to have any access to your son. And it sounds like all he does is put your son at risk. And I think he doesn't deserve the right to have access to his kid. I think he's dangerous.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
That's my opinion based on what you're telling me.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
You know, as far as like, I, you know, I think you're right though. I think the things that matter, it sounds like you have a lot of those things going for you.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And I don't know if the legal system makes your, your boyfriend and the father of your, the child you're, you're growing inside of you right now makes them any less of a dad to your nine-year-old son because the, because of what the courts say. I don't.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Well, I would definitely not do anything you don't need to do just for the sake of being right or petty or to get back at them. And if you don't need the money and asking for this guy's money puts you or your son at risk, I definitely wouldn't fucking do it.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
and you didn't meet my expectations and i felt uh you know i just felt like you over promised and under delivered versus getting in your head and being like what does this mean you know are you like and acting like it was his troubled friend who influenced him and he chose his you know he chose to like become an alcoholic over over over taking care of your dog yeah yeah you know
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
I really appreciate you saying that. It's very kind. But just give yourself credit. You're doing good things. I really think you should look into some therapy.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Just try it, you know? And it's not like, oh, you need therapy. You have like, you're all fucked up and you need some work, but like, you just, you need to get things out sometimes. And if nothing else, I want you to like, not have it just be you unloading on your boyfriend about your ex-boyfriend all the time.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And I'd like, you know, like, yeah, like we can't do this all the time and that's why you should get a therapist. But like, you know, I'd rather have you get this out with me than just exhaust the people who have heard it over and over.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Well, you can always do it up again and you can find someone else. I'm like, it's just... Yeah. Taking care of your mental health. I mean, I know it's like taking care of your physical health. Sometimes you're pretty active at the gym or pretty active. You hire a trainer and then you stop using a trainer and then you realize maybe I need to use it. Same thing with a therapist. It's not a cure-all.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
It's just maintenance. Right. And I think it's also just a way to alleviate some of the stresses, anxiety and pressure that like you have to get some of this shit out is kind of my point. And I just would like you to get it out in a very healthy and productive way as opposed to a toxic way. And if you're not.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
dealing with it in a healthy way you're just at risk of it coming you know at some point you're just gonna have to get this stuff out and you're gonna have to work through it and i just you know just protect your healthy relationships and don't exhaust your healthy relationships by avoiding you know dealing with your stuff in a more productive way like therapy
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Listen, you're not, you're not the first and you won't be the last person who had a beautiful child with an absolute loser, you know? Yeah.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
But it's also your problem is that you're still making it your problem.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And, you know, listen, it is, again, kind of like in some of your first calls. I mean, he is the father of your son. So it's just like, you know, if you didn't share a kid together, maybe he still wouldn't be in your life.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
But you are making him more of your problem than it sounds like you need to because you do have things working for you that some other parents who are co-parenting with difficult people don't. Is that the fact that your ex is pretty absent and not involved and doesn't try to be.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And you're actually, you know, and that's kind of a good thing rather than him going, actually falling through with some of these threats and really making life a lot more difficult. I mean, this, this situation could be so much worse. And I'm sure there's a lot of single parents out there who are listening, you know, wishing they're in your situation as crazy as it sounds. So.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
No, it's not. It's not a million dollar question. Honestly, like, yeah, maybe unpack it in therapy, but you do not have to ruminate over and over. What's important is that you're out of it. You know, what's important is you finally found the strength and you set that boundary.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
I mean, if you want to understand it a little better, so to make sure you don't make the same mistake in the future, but you don't need to sit there and analyze it over and over. And that's what I'm kind of saying is that you seem to be doing it a little bit more than you realize.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And I think you're still spending a little bit too much energy worrying about things related to your ex that quite honestly, you don't have to worry about. The problem's almost been solved. I think you're still kind of too emotionally invested. I think you're reaching out and connecting with his family too much.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Again, if they want to be proactive and go out of their way to make sure they still have a relationship with their nephew or their grandson, let them. But it's not your job or your responsibility. And you need to focus more on your son and your boyfriend and the baby.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And like he is, he isn't, you know, loser, whatever. He's, he's not great. We know that much, but like, what's what the only thing that matters is that he's in the past as much as he can be regardless, you know, and that's the part you're still holding on to, you know, that you have not, you still make him more of your problem than he needs to be.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And that is something you still need to work through and get a therapist for.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
That's your toxic trait. And that's the thing that you need to work on. But at least you can recognize it because that's you really recognize. All you need to, you need to just be grateful of just how much, like, I mean, think about it. You have a great boyfriend. He's in so many ways.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
You are so lucky given the situation you came out of and you need to spend way more energy focused on that and, and lot less energy on all this past shit.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Well, listen, you're asking a lot of different people their opinion. And so you're getting a lot of opinions. So like, stop doing that.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Thank you. All right. Have a good rest of your day.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And as we get older, that gets scarier and scarier. In our 20s, we're kind of like, we don't want heartbreak, but I guess we're meant to experience it. And someone older than me told me I'm going to have to deal with it in order to become like a better version of myself or really learn about myself and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
But then when we're like in our early 30s and got to our 40s and we're doing it, we're just like, what's the fucking, what was the fucking point of that? I've already, you know, I didn't need to, I did not necessarily, need this anymore to learn, you know, type of thing. And like not every bad thing that happens in our life is meant to be a lesson.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
I don't think, again, I don't think things happen for a reason. You can still learn a lesson, you know, it doesn't, like it didn't have, you know, the, the world doesn't revolve around us. And therefore like not everything that happens to us is some sort of destiny. It's just dumb fucking luck. You know, it's just life. Yeah.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
What you can do, though, is to control what you can control and not try to over control the things you can't control. And you're doing a little bit of the latter. Yeah. And trying to squeeze and protect yourself from things that are just like outside of your control.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
totally it's still a really new relationship it is you know and i best i think the best thing you can do to protect yourself is to just say i you know this is really great so far and i see so much potential but let's just enjoy like enjoy the moment and not think about the future and not You can talk about the future.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
You can talk about your goals, but it's just more like you're going to have to let it play out. You know, the key to the relationships is showing up every day and saying, this is the person I choose to be with. And I'm going to do the most I can for this relationship today.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And hope that they, the other person feels matches that energy.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Well, I just, I don't know. I think it's a balance. I just think there's a difference between like being intentional with what you want in a relationship as an early 30 something year old person. Who's like, Hey, I'm like, not here to fuck around that much anymore.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
Not sure if you're interested in having children, but if you are, there's certain considerations you have to make as a woman that men don't. And that's normal. Versus obsessively trying to push a timeline or play house or speed things up because you're 30. Like you talked about, part of the reason why your last breakup fucked you up so much, because like you said,
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
That was a very transitional time in your life. And I bet that you win that relationship thinking, oh, this is it. This is it. I found my person and we moved together. We're making big moves and we're making big life decisions. And then when it ended, it was early 30, late 20, it just felt like you lost four pivotal years of your life.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And you never thought you'd be a woman who has to worry about her biological clock. you know, and then it feels like such a fucking trope or cliche or whatever. And it's just, and then we beat ourselves up emotionally by, you know, saying, well, I never thought this would happen to me.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
And then, you know, you try to, you try to be different and then you kind of, again, become a little more neurotic or intense. And then you force situations because you want to make up for lost time. And these are all the things I think you're, you're dealing with. Mm-hmm.
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E943 Ask Nick - My Baby Daddy Tried To Hook Up With My Sister
you know, um, you, you, you got a shit ton going for you, you know, um, you look great, you know, you could be, you could have said, Hey, I'm 24. I'm not cool. You know, I wouldn't like, Oh, well, um, you know, like you're, you're, you're, you're still young. Science is better than ever, you know, when it comes, you know, um, and you are one of the few people out there
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E848 Ask Nick - My BF Is Back On Dating Apps
Way has something for everyone during their Cyber Week sale, their biggest sale of the year. You'll save 20% off site-wide from November 26th to December 2nd. The thing I love about Way is that they make products specifically for my type of hair. I have thick hair, so some of that other stuff doesn't really work for it.
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E848 Ask Nick - My BF Is Back On Dating Apps
My hair is left conditioned, moisturized, clean, and I love the way that it smells. It's It's like taking a St. Bart's vacation. It's so yummy. I use the body wash. I use shampoo, conditioner, leave-in conditioner, literally the entire stock. I have it.
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E848 Ask Nick - My BF Is Back On Dating Apps
I just love wine because I love wine. And the fact that this comes to my door makes it that much more convenient. All of my selections. I love a good rosé. I love a good cab. I've discovered so many new wines thanks to First Leaf.
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E896 Going Deeper with Dylan Efron
Looking for a better for you deodorant that actually works? Eat Humble Brands, made with simple ingredients designed for your long-lasting freshness and available in a variety of incredible scents. I started using Humble Brands about a month and a half, two months ago. I'm absolutely obsessed. Mostly because of their scents. Well, not mostly because.
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E896 Going Deeper with Dylan Efron
like wow i don't really know it i like that was like uh like i felt like i was an adult when i became 28 not like you know because of like shit i went through absolutely is there any like what moments in your life in adult life were pivotal for you where you feel like you you maybe learned some tough lessons or that were transformative that really can't maybe you had to go through it shook you up you know for me it was like a relationship couple relations with a couple different girls that are like emotionally just kind of fucked me up and i had to
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E896 Going Deeper with Dylan Efron
you know, learn about like what role I played or, you know, and yeah, at first it's just like, you're a victim of, you know, you know, when you're, when you're, when you're down bad, it's always like, how could this happen to me?
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And I think part of being an adult was the willingness to reflect about like, yeah, I can still be hurt, but I can simultaneously be upset and hurt and feel wrong and still be willing to like look in the mirror and, and figure out what I can learn from this. Like, do you have any moments like that that you felt were kind of pivotal defining moments in adult life?
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E896 Going Deeper with Dylan Efron
congratulations on being one of the winners of traders yeah it was a weird ending but i honestly like that was the best way to end it with people we we were all on the same team at the end of the day so i feel like uh we're we're actually recording this before the actual finale airs so we don't we're not aware of what like public audience like reactions will be i think it'll be mostly universally loved they'll always be the people kind of roll their eyes because they want like drama
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E896 Going Deeper with Dylan Efron
You are in a relationship. Okay. That's real bummer for all your fans. Like, uh,
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E896 Going Deeper with Dylan Efron
A lot of my tattoos. I realized it's like, I don't have a, across a skull bone and I have butterflies and I don't see a puppy dog yeah I see a butterfly it's good it bounces it up I wasn't thinking feminine and I just more got him I'm like oh shit this is who I am that does make sense when did you start getting tattoos probably like 26 27
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E896 Going Deeper with Dylan Efron
Yeah. I mean, I've enjoyed the kind of like you, like reminders or, you know, reminders of family members there. They meet their, their meaningful things. But yeah, like, I mean, I didn't get them until I was 40. Yeah. It was mostly, mostly like just, I was working in corporate America and then I, you know, and then I was like, I felt like I was too old to get them or something.
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E896 Going Deeper with Dylan Efron
And then I met Natalie and she. Kind of gave me permission to lean in. I was like, you're not too old. Yeah, definitely not.
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E896 Going Deeper with Dylan Efron
No. Do you know who Dean Uglert is? That's a great name though. He was on The Bachelorette, one of the more famous contestants. Very attractive man. like yourself, big rock climber, big traveler, also doesn't advocate for daily showers. Here we go.
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E896 Going Deeper with Dylan Efron
they want the drama they want some they want someone to really screw someone over at the end you know totally bob harper said that he's like dylan you made a massive mistake it was like this is a drama show like you needed to cut throats at the end and do you think that like well i guess whether it's you or anyone else of your cast had any one of those people decided to like if we were going to be traitorous would they would have been the individual winner
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E896 Going Deeper with Dylan Efron
I've only skydived once. It was an amazing time. Natalie and I were going to skydive together for my friend Peter's 40th birthday party, but weather did not cooperate. So we ended up not going.
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E896 Going Deeper with Dylan Efron
Dean also. I need Dean's number. You guys have a lot in common.
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E896 Going Deeper with Dylan Efron
The one time we went skydiving, we obviously had like a million questions and, you know, like, what's it feel like if you never skydove before? Like, you feel like it's like a roller coaster and it doesn't feel like that because you're already flying. I don't know how many miles per hour when you jump off the plane. So it doesn't feel like you're falling at all. It just feels like you're flying.
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E896 Going Deeper with Dylan Efron
which is cool but then you like yeah i remember asking them and they were just saying like you know like safer than driving and like the only time you really have skydiving accidents is when you have like the extreme sport guys like doing tricks and testing certain limits but if you kind of play by the rule and pull the chute when you're supposed to pull it like it's a relatively safe uh activity and then i think that's that's what draws me to a lot of these sports is like
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E896 Going Deeper with Dylan Efron
Getting to know you from watching this show, I got the impression that you are, like many people who listen to this show, a huge reality TV fan.
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E896 Going Deeper with Dylan Efron
Is that accurate? I am, yeah. It's fun. First of all, how did you get into reality TV as a fan and what have been some of your favorite shows?
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E896 Going Deeper with Dylan Efron
Oh, oh, yeah. Paige is on Summer House. Yeah, yeah. I'm team Paige. Paige.
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E896 Going Deeper with Dylan Efron
Are you not? I mean, I know Paige, but I know Craig. So, I mean, I'm rooting for them both. They broke up. That's funny. You just took the Switzerland approach. Yeah.
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E896 Going Deeper with Dylan Efron
I don't. I barely watch these shows. With the narrative that's online, I don't agree with I agree with Craig.
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That makes sense. Because I was, I had West's back a little bit in their drama. So I think she's a little.
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I was not. You weren't? No, I definitely was not.
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And every time a Daily Look box shows up at our doorstep, Natalie acts like it's Christmas morning, and it's amazing.
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Do you think that kind of getting back to traders, do you think that helped you? Do you think that benefited you or was it ended up being just a lot of TV that you watched?
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So he did the reverse. He did the reverse. He started to go after those people and then anticipated using the assumed narrative as his protection. Exactly.
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It seems like a great strategy to definitely make your mark on the season and be a focal point, but it has its limits, it feels like.
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It's a strategy that will make waves but not win, almost.
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Do you feel like that benefited you, kind of being this, like, no one really knows who you are, and they kind of find out, like, who you are, and it's kind of like, oh. For sure.
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And pretend to be a faithful. Yes. More importantly.
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I feel like the, a great strategy would be, and there's a big if because it requires you to figure out who the traders are, but if you are clever enough or lucky enough and confident enough to figure out who the trader is, I feel like the best approach would be to befriend them and get close to them. Not let anyone know what you think.
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And let them think that you think there's no way they could be a trader and get some kind of protection without it being any type of actual alliance.
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You guys were like, I like you both. Why are you fighting?
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So you really didn't take offense to either Carolyn or Danielle trying to manipulate you because they both did, right? For sure. They both leaned on your friendship. Carolyn leaned on the fact that people have judged her for the wrong reasons in the past and is a fan of
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survivor you know her plight and yada yada the whole time that's just her trying to you know manipulate you guess like whatever danielle you know we've heard from multiple people and the accusations about her swearing on family members and things like that and you know but like you didn't really you just it's all all fair and yeah game of traitors
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Do you think Danielle has any hard feelings towards Brittany?
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I appreciate your position, but... And I would be a little, I mean, I guess I don't really care, but I'd be a little like not surprised, but like it would seem like a double standard of Danielle's given the fact that she played her game and she played it well to your point and she played it ruthlessly and she played to win.
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So how can she get mad at anyone else, including Brittany, for doing exactly the same? It's just, like, you know, at the end of the day, like, everyone's... Someone crossed her instead of her crossing him.
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You know, she crossed a lot of people, Danielle, and, like, if it's all fair and love and war or whatever, or all fair, like, under the guise of, like, we're playing a game, then it seems weird that she would expect any type of specific loyalty from Brittany.
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Do you think part of it had to do with all the finalists not being gamers? And I feel like last season it was...
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I was happy for him. I mean, listen, he fucked up. We know what he did. Not a good moment for him. And like, you know, sometimes he can be a little stubborn and like a little like, you know, make it give the impression he's not like grasping what people are frustrated at him for. And, you know, yada, yada, yada. But like.
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he has redeeming characteristics you know and like it gets frustrating as some like I got to know him on special forces you got to know him on traitors and you're just like I don't know he's certainly not a perfect person he's full of flaws yeah you know like I can roll my eyes and get frustrated but he's not evil No, you know, he's definitely not a bad person.
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I've met way worse people and way like people I would trust a lot less than Tom Sandoval. Totally.
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Tom's like a really strong, unique drink that like you can appreciate once in a while, but it's, it's definitely not. You're like, you, you can't have it every day. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
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Why did you guys lose? Cause it felt like three teams.
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Yeah, I was pretty impressed in that moment by you. That was great. I probably could have done it, but I would have been a little squirmish.
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And Tom on Special 4, he was like, Tom was the guy who's, you know, if it was a real military situation, he would run into the battle without thinking twice. For sure. He actually passed
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And like, you definitely are going to get some comments about like you kind of being dirty. Yeah.
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the most challenges i'm not surprised i'm not yeah i'm not just it was he where he struggled with the taking the directions and the emotional at the regulation aspect of it but the actual like uh challenges he was an absolute animal i believe it he did have a funny like meme of him running up a hill or something i don't know if you saw that it's a pretty funny run it was like a like an anime character would you do special forces
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And that shit's fun. That's the fun part. It's there. It's survive. It's true. It's the strategy is mental survival and, and, and not quitting and getting no food, no sleep, feeling fatigued, feeling emotionally weaker every minute of every day. And literally being like, if I can get 10 more minutes, it's 10 more minutes. And you get 10 more minutes.
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You're like, all right, well, 10, 10 more minutes. And like, and you do that for three days.
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Oh, one of the most rewarding experiences of my life. And that's why you don't even know how many people watched it. It was certainly not as popular as traders and, you know, like, but just the personal experience, uh, there is very cool.
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And I was very, like, I'm very excited one day if my kids ever give a shit about, like, I hope they never ask or watch me on The Bachelor. And that's one thing I will, I can be proud of. That, like, dad did this, you know, and they can think I'm cool or, you know, something like that.
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Not to diminish, you know, the amount of money that you could have won had you taking it all by yourself. But like, I guess in your place, you're thinking like, I don't know, a hundred grand or like everyone thinking I'm kind of slimy and kind of shady, you know, like I'll, it's like.
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Yeah, I would. Now that you've got a little bit of a taste and a little bit of notoriety, you've this experience of being kind of thrusted into the limelight and getting a little bit of attention and fame. It's been okay.
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What would be a fun role that you saw that you were like, oh, I could do that?
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Are you the type of person who would lean on your brother given the fact that like, listen, he just, he's the top of his game. He's got connections and access or would you stubbornly not want to do that because you want to like prove to yourself that,
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What about marrying your high school sweetheart? Do you think like that? Is that something you're into? Or are you guys just like going to be boyfriend and girlfriend forever? No, that's definitely not. She sent in that question. She knows the answer.
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So you guys have like a, it seems like a healthy, we've known each other forever approach to this relationship. Yeah. Yeah.
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You were, you really were, I mean, at first you were pretty, there was a moment early on where you, I almost was like, I don't know, he's kind of outspoken right now. And he's, he's almost too bright, you know, and he was, and then, and then you, you calm down. Yeah, that's, calm down is maybe the wrong word.
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All right, well, let's put a pause on Trader's Talk. I want to come back to that. But I also like, I'm just really excited to have you on because it's similar to when we had the opportunity to interview Sam. Sam. I listen, I listen to the podcast. It's just like I told him, everyone knows who you are, but no one really knows who you are.
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How many nights did you go to bed seriously thinking, oh, fuck, I don't know if I'm going to survive this?
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It was like really clever. It was smart. So it was very interesting talking to Sam just because I was like, man, this guy is not,
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Do you think they bring her back and make her a traitor?
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What would you think about you being like, did you go in like just wanting to be a faithful? Were you open to being a traitor? I wanted to be a faithful.
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Yeah. You know, if I ever got the opportunity, uh, I would, I think the same thing.
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I, it's, it's really just like, if I have the, if, if I get asked and I have the, like I've been asked before, it didn't work out. Like it wasn't like a ego thing or it wasn't like, Oh, this isn't a show I wouldn't do. It just was like,
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Obviously, everyone knows who your brother is and he's a big deal and he's super famous. Before you went on the show, I was aware of who you were. The other once in a while, it's just like, Zach Efron's brother. Oh, he's tall.
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Was that or just like the show? It's just like, you know, it's like I had to work around some other obligations and it didn't work and blah, blah, blah. But like, it would be a lot of fun. I'm worried that I would have a target on my back.
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The only thing I would have going for me over Wells is that... Also, this is assuming people know who we both are and know our quote-unquote reputations, is that Wells has this good guy... Everyone knows Wells is smart, but he's also this... affable, everyone loves him.
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So even I was thinking when I heard he was casted, he would make a perfect traitor because everyone loves him and he would be this guy. Where me, it's like, yeah, people might think I'm smart, but sometimes people think I'm the bad boy, or you can't trust me, or I was the villain on Bachelor Nation, or I would make the good traitor.
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And my hope, if I got a chance to do it, that that would, because I would prefer to be a faithful too. I don't think I'm a good liar. I mean, I know I did well on Special Forces, but that's not the same as lying every day. And I love the idea of trying to hunt who would be the traitors. And I do think I could be good at that.
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I would try to play dumb as much as I could, but I don't know how long... I would love to see you on the show. I don't know how long I could... How long I'd get away with that.
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You know, like, you know, and so there's this like, this kind of, there's been this fascination with you, like that stem from obviously your brother's notoriety and things like that. And then, but we don't, you know, it's like, it was all this from that point, just a lot of speculation, you know, kind of like similar to Sam.
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Because at that point, you kind of look like you got to stand by your gun. I knew what I was doing at that point.
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What's the best way for someone who would go on that show to try to change the minds of people who are coming for you? What do you think Wells could have done differently now that you can hindsight being 2020 and you can assess his game? Did he make a wrong move or was it just bad luck?
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So that might be the difference between him and I, if I got the opportunity, is that like, I'm kind of, I'd go in being like, I'm first, I'm going to be first. Like, I'm like, someone's going to come for me. There are going to be some housewife has said some shit about, you know, on the fucking show or whatever. And like,
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you know, someone's gonna know of me or know who I am, you know, from the podcast space. And I'm, I'm gonna, you know, and, and so I'd just be kind of ready for that as opposed. And I would like, I think I tried to play the card of like, come on, like it's almost the opposite of Wells where it was like, it's, I'm too obvious.
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It's like you, you knew the person existed, but you didn't really, you never really heard from them, got to know their personality. If you didn't watch your and Zach's documentary, it was this again, just a lot of like, you were just more Zach Efron's brother. But now I feel like there's like you are you're Dylan, you know, and you've you've become like the star of the show.
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But at that point, it's so early. Everyone's just guessing. Totally. It seems like people are not voting for who the traitor is. They're just voting to not be eliminated. Yeah.
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Yeah, I believe some of them, obviously. When Carolyn got eliminated, what did you think of that whole thing? You know, like what she was really going for. Yeah.
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There was a literally look on your face and you're just like.
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And there's a lot of like interest. And I'm excited to get to know you better and find out who Dylan Efron really is.
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I mean, having a chance to meet her for 15 minutes and talk to her, she's hard to read.
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Back to just you, uh, like what, what, what do you think makes you who you are in terms of like, yeah, your, your character, your, you know, you, you do seem like a really grounded down to earth, like, you know, just like nice guy. Right. And like, I think there's a lot of people who could look like you, who has a very famous brother and it's like a recipe for douchebags.
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It really, I mean, it really is like, and you know, you don't seem to be, you know, I mean, I'm sure you've had your moments. We've all done things that we regret and we have had to learn, but like, where, where do you think that comes from?
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Like, why are you great? I don't know. But I was just curious. I mean, yeah, just like what you would attribute that to.
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Getting gifts as an adult almost feels like an obligation. It's like, what do I have to do?
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It's generally the same. Yeah. If you, yeah, I mean, generally speaking, if you like to show love through acts of service, it's also just generally how you like to receive it too.
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Yeah. So not gifts for sure. Acts of service is number one.
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What's your biggest relationship pet peeve or, and then just a pet peeve in general?
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Go get the water. No, it wasn't about the water. I had gotten the water.
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It was the remote. And he didn't want to watch TV. Let's set the stage again. Your beautiful girlfriend's in bed. She wants to watch TV. You've done three rounds of favors for her already. You've set the house down. You've gotten her some water. You've done your... You've done your nightly duties. And then she wants to watch TV and you're like, oh, you're ready for bed. You're tired.
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You're ready to go. And then she's just like, I can't find this remote. I need you to go get the other remote. And you're kind of like, you know what? That sounded like an order and not a request. And you being an acts of service guy, I would think that like the whole point of like being an acts of service guys is feeling like you did something generous as opposed to like your job. Yes.
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And I couldn't help but wonder, like, yeah, so in those parameters, you've never been like, no, I'm not going to do it.
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But what is, do you have a relationship pet peeve?
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I was thinking about this last night, you know, what makes Natalie and I work. For the most part, I would say like 80% of like the shows we like to watch, food we like to eat, places we like to go, it's similar. So like there's not a lot of debates there. And then with differences, like household chores, like I'm allergic to laundry. Natalie's allergic to washing dishes in the sink.
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And so like, I just, I wash, I pretty much wash all the dishes.
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I pretty much clean the kitchen other than like, Natalie will put things in the dishwasher. Even the things that shouldn't go in the dishwasher pisses me off. It's fucking crazy. Like, you don't have to put the pot. I'll wash the pot and pans. Like, don't put my knife in the dishwasher. Like, it's not meant for the dishwasher. Like, I got, this is my knife.
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Natalie just throws everything in the dishwasher. It's just basically, the dishwasher for Natalie is a place to hide pots and pans that she refuses to wash. Sometimes if I'm out of town, there'll be like four pots, like four pans.
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But again, I fucking hate laundry. Washing clothes, not so bad. Folding, I would live out of a dryer. In my single days, it would do a load of laundry, put it in the dryer, and then for the next week, I'm just pulling stuff out of the dryer.
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I fucking hate it. But it so works for us because the things that I hate, she likes, and vice versa.
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Natalie bathes wherever I can clean the kitchen. Yeah, that's good. But we do have our nice... We're in a routine. We never really even had to negotiate that. It just kind of worked. Who vacuums? Not me.
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I mean, other than the kitchen, Natalie cleans the whole house.
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I haven't made a bed since I, since maybe middle school.
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There was no bed. It's crazy. Yeah, there's no bed. Sleeping on rocks. Well, you have a sleeping bag. So making your bed is folding your sleeping bag and putting it in your Birkin.
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No, I've been like, why isn't the bed made? He won't do it, but he loves the maid bed. I've definitely been like, what's going on here? Like, why haven't you done your chores?
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And then you became a production... coordinator yeah yeah uh what was it ready player one yeah the accountant that's kind of cool it was i worked on some cool movies how did you end up started starting doing that or like fan for people who don't know that's like real that's grunt work yeah you're i was a pa i did it all You're getting coffees. You're working shitty hours.
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Yeah, but before I was actually in a healthy relationship, I don't think I ever had a maid bed. That's how I would be, probably. What do you want to leave us with? Anything you didn't get to talk about or say?
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There's no just on YouTube anymore, man. YouTube is one of the most watched platforms in the world.
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So tomorrow, Saturday. This is going to come out on Friday.
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Well, buddy, it's been great getting to know you better. Congratulations on winning Traders with your peers. It's been really fun getting to know you. I hope to see more of you. Maybe you can come back and talk some pop culture and reality TV.
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Or even next year when Traders comes out, you can strategize and talk the show with us when it's on, man.
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Well, thanks for listening, man. We're always flattered. Can you bring Courtney next time? I'm going to have to. We'll have to double date.
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Well, great getting to know you, buddy. Yeah, same. Thanks for listening, guys. We will see you on Monday. Bye.
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You're being, you're just, you're doing tasks for other people. Like that's like, that's like a, like a summer college job. Like in a, in a, in a, in like real fucking like character building work. Like what made you, and shitty pay usually. Yeah.
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How much did you take advantage, if at all, of being Zach's younger brother?
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That was me. I was really good at math. And they're like, this kid doesn't know where commas go. You can't spell either. It was the complete opposite. Sorry.
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Did you get a chance to interact with like Bradley Cooper or any, you know, the accountant with Ben Affleck? Yeah.
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It's kind of like, where do I go from here? Exactly. Yeah.
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Dylan, Welcome to Vile Files, man. It's an honor to be here. I'm a big fan. Oh, we're so excited to have you.
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Oh, wow. Yeah. No, I've, you know, being on set, you definitely learn a lot and things like that. I remember I was on set for something and they brought out like this magazine as a prop. And then there, and someone was like, someone maybe in production was like, you know how much this costs, you know? And it was like hundreds of dollars. And it was like, it was like, it was garbage.
The Viall Files
E896 Going Deeper with Dylan Efron
It was an old magazine, but because like, of all the rules and SAG and yada, yada, like it had to be like a certain prop. And then that, you know, it gets inflated. And yeah, it's a lot of hidden costs in the production of all these movies.