Nick Viall

And that's a different lens that we put on.

We're maybe a little bit more...

traditional or specific about how we want people to show up on that show um and those are two different audiences but those are also two different like lenses inside of us and they're kind of like battling each other and just in a similar way that maybe these networks are kind of battling each other uh it's hard to wrap our head around while all this is happening it also feels like i don't know if this is kind of what you're getting at as well but

it feels maybe a little exploitative where we're like asking like, okay, well, was Taylor Frankie Paul, was she ready to be a reality star?

And are the cameras taking advantage of this really messy, raw moment in her life?

And I guess like The Bachelorette was sort of maybe gonna be like a redemption arc or seeing her in a different way, in a different light.

And we sort of feel, or at least I personally feel kind of robbed a little bit

by getting to know her in even a different way.

So yeah, there's a lot going on.

Those are all really good questions.

I think about, while you're talking about this, I think about Tom Sandoval a little bit.

I mean, Tom Sandoval was incredibly messy, eventually the supervillain on Vanderpump Rules.

We all had a lot of feelings about him.

And then he's on Traitors.

Yeah.

And then we see him like, oh, well, he's kind of goofy.

Oh, he's really silly.

Or he's really good at this game.

Or he sings backwards really well.

This is so fun, right?