Nicolas Cage

They were all in like... Sabotage?

Sabotage.

And they're all in like these bad wigs and they all... And these terrible sunglasses.

They all look like Eddie from Deadfall.

I was like, oh, okay.

I think I know where that came from.

But no, I was...

That was another movie I didn't want to make, and I felt like I had to because it was my brother, and I said, okay, I'll do it.

Your brother directed it.

Yeah, what can I do that will make it interesting for me?

And what can I bring to this?

So I just went full –

id release just full um i didn't care if it made sense or it didn't i just wanted to do this like live wire performance in a bad wig and an upturned nose so the nose kind of went out and then up like that and i'm just i i'm very proud of that performance uh i i i do i do think it uh i think it endures

Maybe there's an element of like, gosh, I really want to see Nick go off the rails, and I'm not going to give them that every time, and I hope they're not disappointed.

I think that because I was contending with this sort of meme, memification.

I coined the word memification.

I don't think it was ever used before.

This memification that I had lived through and needed to find a place to put it, and that was the perfect vessel because the memes were not unlike the dreams.

And so the dreamification of –

My character in Dream Scenario was similar to me to the memification of Nicolas Cage.