Nicole Perlroth

Because a country is more than its borders. It's a story. And once the world stops believing in the story of America, it's not just our alliances we lose. It's our leverage, our legitimacy, and eventually, our ability to solve the problems that will define the next era. These are the critical assignments of our time.

Because a country is more than its borders. It's a story. And once the world stops believing in the story of America, it's not just our alliances we lose. It's our leverage, our legitimacy, and eventually, our ability to solve the problems that will define the next era. These are the critical assignments of our time.

Many will say they're impossible, but we've summoned the best of our scientific community, government, industry, and everyday people to overcome existential challenges before. There's no reason why we can't do it again. So my plea to you is this. Identify where you can put your own finger on the scale and press down hard.

Many will say they're impossible, but we've summoned the best of our scientific community, government, industry, and everyday people to overcome existential challenges before. There's no reason why we can't do it again. So my plea to you is this. Identify where you can put your own finger on the scale and press down hard.

It's all too easy to tune this out, to think it couldn't be further from you, that some cyber guy somewhere has it all taken care of, but that couldn't be further from the truth. Solving this takes all of us, Even if your job couldn't feel further from the digital realm. Even if you're thinking to yourself, but I'm just a pipeline operator. I run a small town power company.

It's all too easy to tune this out, to think it couldn't be further from you, that some cyber guy somewhere has it all taken care of, but that couldn't be further from the truth. Solving this takes all of us, Even if your job couldn't feel further from the digital realm. Even if you're thinking to yourself, but I'm just a pipeline operator. I run a small town power company.

Ready or not, you're on the new front line. Welcome. Welcome to the battle of our lifetime.

Ready or not, you're on the new front line. Welcome. Welcome to the battle of our lifetime.

To Catch a Thief is produced by Rubrik in partnership with Pod People, with special thanks to Julia Lee. It was written and produced by me, Nicole Perleroth, and Rebecca Chasson. Additional thanks to Hannah Pedersen, Sam DeBauer, and Amy Machado. Editing and sound design by Morgan Foose and Carter Wogan.

To Catch a Thief is produced by Rubrik in partnership with Pod People, with special thanks to Julia Lee. It was written and produced by me, Nicole Perleroth, and Rebecca Chasson. Additional thanks to Hannah Pedersen, Sam DeBauer, and Amy Machado. Editing and sound design by Morgan Foose and Carter Wogan.

It's 2020. We start spotting Chinese hackers tucked deep inside our infrastructure, quiet, patient, just waiting. The industry calls this living off the land, but don't let that rustic name fool you. These hacks are far from harmless. They're sleeper cells waiting for marching orders. We just didn't know what exactly. Here's Kevin Mandia.

It's 2020. We start spotting Chinese hackers tucked deep inside our infrastructure, quiet, patient, just waiting. The industry calls this living off the land, but don't let that rustic name fool you. These hacks are far from harmless. They're sleeper cells waiting for marching orders. We just didn't know what exactly. Here's Kevin Mandia.

By this point, you almost certainly understand the CCP absolutely has the patience, time, and skill. But in theory, so do we. So how did we let it get this far? How did we allow China's hackers to so intimately invade our most critical infrastructure? I'm Nicole Prolorath, and this is To Catch a Thief.

By this point, you almost certainly understand the CCP absolutely has the patience, time, and skill. But in theory, so do we. So how did we let it get this far? How did we allow China's hackers to so intimately invade our most critical infrastructure? I'm Nicole Prolorath, and this is To Catch a Thief.

The answer to that question of how we let things get this out of hand is where a number of trends converge. I've walked you through China's hacking advancements and the creeping emergency of global supply chains. But what made this the perfect storm was our uniquely American blind spots.

The answer to that question of how we let things get this out of hand is where a number of trends converge. I've walked you through China's hacking advancements and the creeping emergency of global supply chains. But what made this the perfect storm was our uniquely American blind spots.

for one despite the impression left by snowden the nsa and other u.s intelligence agencies aren't actually in your private networks watching what you do or in this case what chinese hackers are doing not without running straight into the fourth amendment the nsa is a foreign intelligence agency It hunts for threats abroad.

for one despite the impression left by snowden the nsa and other u.s intelligence agencies aren't actually in your private networks watching what you do or in this case what chinese hackers are doing not without running straight into the fourth amendment the nsa is a foreign intelligence agency It hunts for threats abroad.

Its charter doesn't allow it to hunt for hackers on private American networks, not without a warrant or a special court order. And what you need to understand is that the vast majority of U.S. critical infrastructure — pipelines, the power grid, water, hospitals — more than 80% of it is in private sector hands. meaning the government has no visibility into it.

Its charter doesn't allow it to hunt for hackers on private American networks, not without a warrant or a special court order. And what you need to understand is that the vast majority of U.S. critical infrastructure — pipelines, the power grid, water, hospitals — more than 80% of it is in private sector hands. meaning the government has no visibility into it.