Nicole Perlroth

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1,851 appearances 14 recordings 2 series first heard Mar 2025 last heard 14 Jul

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To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll · Ep. 6: The North Korea Model · 14 Jul 2026 podcast

You know this, Nicole.

I mean, you've been doing this for longer than I have.

So they're very clever and they are adapting to the threats and they're adopting the new technology as it's rolling out very, very quickly.

Do you know what tooling they're using?

Yeah.

I'm not going to give you the names of the tools because that's not the best idea in the world, but I would tell you they're called voice modulators and they work in real time with a few millisecond delay.

So essentially what happens is I'm talking right now into a microphone, deep fake technology grabs that audio, modifies the voice to change the accent or the intonation, and then shoves that into the video streaming.

And you can do that in more or less real time with less than 50 millisecond delay.

And there are many, many ways

commercial open source technologies for doing this.

It's called voice modulation.

It's very effective, by the way.

I have seen some of these interviews and some of them have even gone viral where it's clear they're using a deep fake.

Someone says, put your hand in front of your face and they refuse to do it.

At what point did you discover, oh, they've managed their way around this?

Here's something very dangerous I should point out because I've saw that same viral video and you saw somebody saying, oh, put your hand in front of your face and it didn't work.

And now everybody thinks, oh, just have them wave their hand in front of their face and now I'm safe.

No, no.

Even if that was true today, it sure is not going to be true three months from now.

So I can tell you that the newest technologies for creating avatar and face swap deep fakes don't work.

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