Nicole Perlroth

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To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll · Ep. 6: The North Korea Model · 14 Jul 2026 podcast

I don't know what time zone they're in.

But once somebody's been on board and I've been talking to them for six months, they have to show up for the call.

And so now you can have an army of people who are swapping each other out, right?

And impersonating each other.

And absolutely, that's where deep fakes can be incredibly helpful because I can just change my identity.

And by the way, there are cross-racial facial identification biases where within your racial group, you're actually pretty good at identifying people, but across racial groups who are less good at it, this is a well-established.

So you can even see where it doesn't have to be quite perfect, particularly if the quality of the video is not very good and there's eight people on the call and your attention is being dragged across eight different panels.

The chance of somebody noticing that and you...

step away from the camera a little bit to make yourself a little bit smaller.

You can get away with anything.

And so these syndicates, if you will, these aren't lone wolves.

These are extremely organized.

And when they work together, they're much, much more powerful and dangerous.

And AI isn't just making North Koreans better liars, it makes them better hackers.

One of the few areas where North Korea's lag behind the world's top cyber powers, the US, Israel, Russia, China, was in discovering brand new software vulnerabilities and weaponizing them into exploits.

The so-called zero days that can slip past modern defenses before anyone even knows they exist.

North Korea's strength has never been cutting edge vulnerability research.

Its strength was extraordinary persistence, relentless social engineering, taking known techniques and operationalizing them at scale.

But AI threatens to erase that distinction.

Here's Broadcom's Eric Chen, whose primary concern now is how AI is erasing the barrier to entry for hackers and nation states like North Korea.

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