Nicole Perlroth

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1,851 appearances 14 recordings 2 series first heard Mar 2025 last heard 14 Jul

Nicole Perlroth’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.

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This is still happening today.
It's almost become a fact of life at the big crypto exchanges.
And I just remember sitting in the office and somebody was analyzing a phishing email or something that had come in.
And a different person was like, oh, is it the North Koreans again?
And I sort of took it as a joke.
But then the person who was working said, nope, that kind of looks like them.
That was Matt Muller, former head of security operations at Coinbase, a major cryptocurrency exchange and a frequent DPRK target.
And so that was the first moment where I realized, oh, I work in something where, you know, a nation state actor actually has a degree of interest in the company that I'm protecting.
At the time, I would have described them as noisy.
They weren't particularly trying to hide what they were doing.
A lot of their attack techniques were pretty easily detectable.
And so there's sort of this low level noise happening in the background.
It's almost like there's a mosquito in your ear of like, right, I know they're there.
I know they're really trying.
We keep swatting them away and they keep coming back.
A lot of that low-level noise Matt's referring to came in the form of spray-and-pray attacks, non-stop phishing against those who worked in crypto or held large amounts of coin.
Here's Anto Joseph, a security researcher from Eigen Labs.
That is much easier than sometimes exploiting the systems behind this crypto.
So most of the attacks aren't very technical.
It's the human in the loop factor.
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