Nicole Wallace

You know a lot of these people too, Mitch.

What is your message to them right now?

Yeah, and in Zuckerberg's case, who was happy to stop trying to secure the quality of the information on his own products.

Right.

I mean, if they don't care about the quality of information and the damage it does to their own users, how do you get them to care about public spaces?

Why?

Like, this to me is either what's broken in me or what's broken in them, and it can't be both, right?

I cover the Epstein story, and I can't get my brain around how human beings who either have daughters or mothers or sisters are part of a circle where the man at the center of it rapes someone else's daughters.

I can't get my brain around the death of humanity that I am covering.

This is what I can't do on TV.

And so I really want to try to drill down here.

And I know this is so sensitive, but let's keep going.

Let's not move on.

The white supremacists...

are to me radicalized to a point where let's just put them aside for a second.

I actually, in our politics, am more concerned about the second ring that's bought the bullshit on Fox News about how people here illegally are using our taxpayer dollars to grift off the systems we pay into.

The lies about people here illegally

are the lies that I think drove some of Donald Trump's highest numbers yet among Latinos.

I mean, those lies are as pervasive as the flagrant, easy to call out, offensive, racist lies that are told.

And those are the lies that animate the tolerance for Dilley Detention Center and the excesses of ICE.