Nicolle Wallace

And there is a flattening of the information ecosystem that is sort of married with the corporate impulses.

And I wonder if you think we're sort of living through the end of what we've known and the rising of really audience-driven information sources like yourself, or if it's just this volatility.

What do you think we're living through in terms of information and news?

Yeah, I mean, it's depth and connection, which is a conversation much deeper than the media, right?

The thing that holds us all together is a hunger for connection.

And that only comes through depth and authenticity.

And to the degree that media on the right or the left lacks depth, authenticity and the ability to connect us.

it's ultimately going to lose its grip.

It is painful, though, to watch the process play out.

I mean, you saw with January 6th, whitewashing and revising seemed too gentle to describe what the Trump White House and the right-wing media did with the five-year anniversary of January 6th.

Yeah.

My conversation with Heather Cox Richardson continues right after a quick break.

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Well, you said something like that, that the next three months will sort of determine the way this thing goes and this thing is our country.

What does that call for from us as citizens?

To not lose it.

Right.

Well, I think people are also afraid.

And I think you watch what ICE is doing and how they're operating with impunity.

And you watch, they seem to be banking on the shock of their tactics wearing off.