Nicolle Wallace

And the reason it doesn't work is because I don't even think Trump likes the appeasers. I think he thinks they're weak.

Oh, Marco Rubio is unbelievable.

Oh, Marco Rubio is unbelievable.

And the fact that he's up there fighting for things that he's championed against is so – I mean, and look, he's almost a character from Ultra, right? I mean, like he's almost like a character from like how fascism happens, right? It's not just – The wannabe strong space man, or strong man, one word, it's the Marco Rubio's.

And the fact that he's up there fighting for things that he's championed against is so – I mean, and look, he's almost a character from Ultra, right? I mean, like he's almost like a character from like how fascism happens, right? It's not just – The wannabe strong space man, or strong man, one word, it's the Marco Rubio's.

And like, I wonder how you see him with all of your sort of study of history.

And like, I wonder how you see him with all of your sort of study of history.

You liked the COVID lockdowns. I'm the only person who was like, it's over? You were happy when you got it again. You're like, I'll see you guys in 10 days.

You liked the COVID lockdowns. I'm the only person who was like, it's over? You were happy when you got it again. You're like, I'll see you guys in 10 days.

To keep J.D. Vance on his toes, yeah. Oh, God.

To keep J.D. Vance on his toes, yeah. Oh, God.

I mean, I would add Ukraine to it, like that he sat in there while Trump ambushed and humiliated President Zelensky. When Rubio wasn't just someone who McConnell had to bring along on like Ukraine aid, he was a champion for Zelensky. I mean, what they did to Zelensky is, you know, literally switch sides in the middle of a war. I don't know that the country...

I mean, I would add Ukraine to it, like that he sat in there while Trump ambushed and humiliated President Zelensky. When Rubio wasn't just someone who McConnell had to bring along on like Ukraine aid, he was a champion for Zelensky. I mean, what they did to Zelensky is, you know, literally switch sides in the middle of a war. I don't know that the country...

ever recovers from that damage that they've done.

ever recovers from that damage that they've done.

Next up for us, we'll have much more of my conversation with my dear friend and colleague, Rachel Maddow. Stay right here. I mean, so I've watched Trump sort of break up with Netanyahu, and it's just put a question mark over the Trump-Putin relationship, which seems different and deeper and so reflexive.

Next up for us, we'll have much more of my conversation with my dear friend and colleague, Rachel Maddow. Stay right here. I mean, so I've watched Trump sort of break up with Netanyahu, and it's just put a question mark over the Trump-Putin relationship, which seems different and deeper and so reflexive.

Like, it's clear that the Netanyahu relationship was good for Trump when he thought Netanyahu was more Trumpy. And I wonder about the Putin-Trump relationship. One, if Trump knows... that the world is laughing at Trump, that Putin isn't even trying. Like, Putin used to flatter him. He's now publicly humiliating him, as you said. I wonder, I mean, like, who's going to tell Trump? Like, Rubio won't.

Like, it's clear that the Netanyahu relationship was good for Trump when he thought Netanyahu was more Trumpy. And I wonder about the Putin-Trump relationship. One, if Trump knows... that the world is laughing at Trump, that Putin isn't even trying. Like, Putin used to flatter him. He's now publicly humiliating him, as you said. I wonder, I mean, like, who's going to tell Trump? Like, Rubio won't.

Maybe Vance would to weaken Rubio to say the word. I mean, I don't know how Trump finds out that on Russian state TV they're laughing at Trump. And that in the American media.