Nika Kovacs

Um, what was interesting is, and relevant to Slovenia is I went to Hungary, um, a year later when I was reporting my book and I met all these people, um,

that I didn't even know had been similarly spied on by BlockCube.

But essentially what I learned is BlockCube had run a whole operation inside of Hungary to help Viktor Orban, where they recorded conversations with someone who was basically just saying, hey, I'd like the European Union to put more pressure on Viktor Orban, which by the way, any activist would say,

if they came on this podcast, right?

But because it was recorded secretly, it sounded like a secret plan.

And guess where the leak was, Nika?

It was in the Jerusalem Post.

So it wasn't even subtle.

But then Orban took this leak and they called it Soros leaks.

And then Steve Bannon started to juice it on Breitbart.

And Orban kind of closed his campaign with the idea that George Soros was trying to overthrow the Hungarian government.

The point is that there's a history of BlockCube intervening to help

right-wing, far right-wing autocratic people in Central and Eastern Europe.

The question I want to ask you, because some people may not be familiar with the positions that the current prime minister of Slovenia has taken on Israel.

Why do you think Black Cube and Israeli intelligence or former intelligence was so interested in helping Jansa, this far right guy, win in Slovenia?

And is it tied to...

the desire to see far-right politicians win in Europe, or is it tied to the positions that the Slovenian government's taken on Israel?

And give a little bit of background for people on what those positions are.

Yeah, I think, and we've talked about this a lot in the podcast, but people just really need to understand that there is this network, this nexus that extends from Russia into Hungary, right?

Orban is tighter with Putin.