Nish Kumar

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What does a kind of legislative response look like to actually close those doors down?

Is it international cooperation?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He got in a, I don't even know how he's managed this, but he somehow managed to get in a pissing contest with Michael O'Leary, the owner of Ryanair.

No, that's fine.

Getting het up is the sort of raison d'etre for this podcast, Anne.

It's absolutely fine.

It's a show presented by people who get het up and listened to by people who are getting het up.

So it's absolutely fine for you to be het up.

I want to come back.

Well, I don't want to come back to Elon Musk.

I never want to speak about the man again, but I'm obliged to come back to Elon Musk.

But before we do... Yeah.

The 1971 incident that you're referring to is really important to the core of the book.

It's when the Nixon government essentially moves the economic system away from and essentially abandons the principles of Bretton Woods, right?

Can you just briefly explain that?

Whenever I read stuff about this subject, we've always identified things like the Pinochet-Chile government.

We've always identified Thatcher and Reaganism and talked about post-1979 economics.

Yeah.