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Noam Brown

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

It wasn't until much later that I actually worked on poker AIs.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

Yeah, checkers are completely solved.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

Optimal strategy.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

It's impossible to beat the AI.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

You could solve chess.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

You could solve poker.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

So this gets into the concept of a Nash equilibrium.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

Okay.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

So...

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

In any finite two-player zero-sum game, there is an optimal strategy that if you play it, you are guaranteed to not lose an expectation no matter what your opponent does.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

And this is kind of a radical concept to a lot of people, but it's true in chess, it's true in poker, it's true in any finite two-player zero-sum game.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

And to give some intuition for this, you can think of rock, paper, scissors.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

In rock, paper, scissors, if you randomly choose between throwing rock, paper, and scissors with equal probability, then no matter what your opponent does, you are not going to lose an expectation.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

You're not going to lose an expectation in the long run.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

Now, the same is true for poker.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

There exists some strategy, some really complicated strategy that if you play that, you are guaranteed to not lose money in the long run.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

And I should say, this is for two-player poker.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

Six-player poker is a different story.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

Poker is a very high variance game.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

So you're going to have hands where you win.