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Noam Brown

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

You're going to have hands with your lose.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

Even if you're playing the perfect strategy, you can't guarantee that you're going to win every single hand.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

But if you play for long enough, then you are guaranteed to at least break even and in practice, probably win.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

So finite's not a huge constraint.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

So, I mean, most games that you play are finite in size.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

It's also true, actually, that there exists this, like, perfect strategy in many infinite games as well.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

Technically, the game has to be compact.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

There are, like, some edge cases where you don't have a Nash equilibrium in a two-player zero-sum game.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

So you can think of a game where, like, you know, if we're playing a game where whoever names the bigger number is the winner, there's no Nash equilibrium to that game.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

Yeah, exactly.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

18.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

You win again.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

I played a lot of games.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

The zero-sum aspect.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

So there exists a Nash equilibrium in non-two-player zero-sum games as well.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

And by the way, just to clarify what I mean by two-player zero-sum, I mean, there's two players and whatever one player wins, the other player loses.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

So if we're playing poker and I win $50, that means that you're losing $50.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

Now, outside of two-player zero-sum games, there still exists Nash equilibria, but they're not as meaningful.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

Because you can think of a game like Risk.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#344 โ€“ Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

If everybody else on the board decides to team up against you and take you out, there's no perfect strategy you can play that's going to guarantee that you win there.