Noam Brown

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It's true for chess.

It's true for poker.

It's particularly useful for poker.

This is counterfactual regret minimization.

So this counterfactual regret minimization is a kind of self-play.

It's a principled kind of self-play that's proven to converge to Nash Equilibria, even in imperfect information games.

Now you can have other forms of self-play and people use other forms of self-play for perfect information games where you have more flexibility.

The algorithm doesn't have to be as theoretically sound in order to converge to that class of games because it's a simpler setting.

Exactly.

Yeah.

Self-play is not tied specifically to neural nets.

It's a kind of reinforcement learning basically.

Okay.

And I would also say this process of like trying to reason, oh, what would the value have been if I had taken this other action instead?

This is very similar to how humans learn to play a game like poker, right?

Like you probably played poker before and with your friends, you probably ask like, oh, would you have called me if I raised there?

And that's a person trying to do the same kind of like learning from a counterfactual that the AI is doing.

Yeah.

Now where the neural nets come in, I said like, okay, if it's in that situation again, then it will choose the action that has high regret.

Now the problem is that poker is such a huge game.

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