Menu
Sign In Search Podcasts Charts People & Topics Add Podcast API Pricing

Norman Finkelstein

๐Ÿ‘ค Person
915 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

We don't want to be Bundists and be one more ethnic minority in Russia. We don't want to become citizens and just become a Jewish people in England or France. We want our own state. Like the Arabs in the 23 states. No, wait, before we get to the Arabs, let's stick to the Jews for a moment, or the Zionists. We want our own state. And in that concept...

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

of wanting your own state, the minority at best lives on sufferance and at worst gets expelled. That's the logic of the German Romantic Zionist idea of a state. That's why they're Zionists. Now, I personally have shied away from using the word Zionism ever since I finished my doctoral dissertation, because as I said, I don't believe it's the operative ideology today.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

of wanting your own state, the minority at best lives on sufferance and at worst gets expelled. That's the logic of the German Romantic Zionist idea of a state. That's why they're Zionists. Now, I personally have shied away from using the word Zionism ever since I finished my doctoral dissertation, because as I said, I don't believe it's the operative ideology today.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

of wanting your own state, the minority at best lives on sufferance and at worst gets expelled. That's the logic of the German Romantic Zionist idea of a state. That's why they're Zionists. Now, I personally have shied away from using the word Zionism ever since I finished my doctoral dissertation, because as I said, I don't believe it's the operative ideology today.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

It's like talking about Bolshevism and referring to Khrushchev. I doubt Khrushchev could have spelled Bolshevik. But for the period we're talking about, they were Zionists. They were committed to their exclusive state with a minority living on sufferance or, at worst, expelled. That was their ideology. And I really feel

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

It's like talking about Bolshevism and referring to Khrushchev. I doubt Khrushchev could have spelled Bolshevik. But for the period we're talking about, they were Zionists. They were committed to their exclusive state with a minority living on sufferance or, at worst, expelled. That was their ideology. And I really feel

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

It's like talking about Bolshevism and referring to Khrushchev. I doubt Khrushchev could have spelled Bolshevik. But for the period we're talking about, they were Zionists. They were committed to their exclusive state with a minority living on sufferance or, at worst, expelled. That was their ideology. And I really feel

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

There's a problem with your happy vision of these Western Democrats like Weizmann, and they wanted to live peacefully with the Arabs. Weizmann described the explosion in 1948 as, quote, the miraculous clearing of the land. That doesn't sound like somebody shedding too many tears at the loss of the indigenous population. Let me just respond to the word unsufferance.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

There's a problem with your happy vision of these Western Democrats like Weizmann, and they wanted to live peacefully with the Arabs. Weizmann described the explosion in 1948 as, quote, the miraculous clearing of the land. That doesn't sound like somebody shedding too many tears at the loss of the indigenous population. Let me just respond to the word unsufferance.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

There's a problem with your happy vision of these Western Democrats like Weizmann, and they wanted to live peacefully with the Arabs. Weizmann described the explosion in 1948 as, quote, the miraculous clearing of the land. That doesn't sound like somebody shedding too many tears at the loss of the indigenous population. Let me just respond to the word unsufferance.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

Then why did you say... Professor Morris, then why did you say without a population expulsion, a Jewish state would not have been established?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

Then why did you say... Professor Morris, then why did you say without a population expulsion, a Jewish state would not have been established?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

Then why did you say... Professor Morris, then why did you say without a population expulsion, a Jewish state would not have been established?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

I don't think you understand politics. Did I just say that there is a chasm that separates your ideology from the limits and constraints imposed by politics and reality? Professor Morris, I suspect would agree that the Zionist movement from fairly early on was committed to the idea of a Jewish state.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

I don't think you understand politics. Did I just say that there is a chasm that separates your ideology from the limits and constraints imposed by politics and reality? Professor Morris, I suspect would agree that the Zionist movement from fairly early on was committed to the idea of a Jewish state.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

I don't think you understand politics. Did I just say that there is a chasm that separates your ideology from the limits and constraints imposed by politics and reality? Professor Morris, I suspect would agree that the Zionist movement from fairly early on was committed to the idea of a Jewish state.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

I am aware of only one major study, probably written 40 years ago, the binational idea in mandatory Palestine by a woman, I forgot her name now, you remember her, I'm trying to. Yeah. OK. Would you know the book? I think so. Yeah. She is the only one who tried to persuasively argue that the Zionist movement was actually, not formally, actually committed to the binational idea.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

I am aware of only one major study, probably written 40 years ago, the binational idea in mandatory Palestine by a woman, I forgot her name now, you remember her, I'm trying to. Yeah. OK. Would you know the book? I think so. Yeah. She is the only one who tried to persuasively argue that the Zionist movement was actually, not formally, actually committed to the binational idea.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

I am aware of only one major study, probably written 40 years ago, the binational idea in mandatory Palestine by a woman, I forgot her name now, you remember her, I'm trying to. Yeah. OK. Would you know the book? I think so. Yeah. She is the only one who tried to persuasively argue that the Zionist movement was actually, not formally, actually committed to the binational idea.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

But most historians of the subject agree the Zionist movement was committed to the idea of a Jewish state. having written my doctoral dissertation on the topic, I was confirmed in that idea because Professor Chomsky, who was my closest friend for about 40 years, was very committed to the idea that binationalism was the dominant trend in Zionism.