Norman Finkelstein
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first heard Mar 2024
last heard Mar 2024
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So, leaving aside, I can name the books, voluminous, huge volumes. I'll just take one example. Now, you will remember, because I think you served in Lebanon in 82, am I correct on that?
Yeah. So you will remember that Dov Yarmia kept a war diary. So with your permission, allow me to describe what he wrote during his diary. So, he writes, the war machine of the IDF is galloping and trampling over the conquered territory, demonstrating a total insensitivity to the fate of the Arabs who are found in its path. A PLO-run hospital suffered a direct hit.
Thousands of refugees are returning to the city. When they arrive at their homes, many of which have been destroyed or damaged, you hear their cries of pain and their howls over the deaths of their loved ones. The air is permeated with the smell of corpses. Destruction and death are continuing. Does that sound like your description of the Lebanon?
We can't just forget them.
I'm talking about you. You don't find that. Mr. Morris, I'm not talking about Dev Yarmulke. I'm talking about you, the historian. How did you depict the Lebanon war?
All the accounts by Robert Fisk in Pity the Nation. Robert Fisk is an anti-Zionist I know. Journalists. I know. Has always been. So that's why you can say with such confidence that you don't condemn deliberate Israeli attacks on civilians. There weren't any. Because there weren't any. No, I didn't say there weren't any. Yeah, you didn't.
You agreed that I have condemned Israeli attacks on civilians. Yes, there are. I never quarrel with facts. Your description of the 1982 war is so shocking, it makes my innards writhe. And then your description of the Second Intifada? Your description of defensive shield? They are worse than apologetics. That's like the Stalinist rule of falsification.
Do you remember that?
I am completely aware of that. But if you forgot the numbers, it was three to one. They killed mostly armed Palestinian government. That's what you say in your book, but that's not what Amnesty International said. That's not what Human Rights Watch said. I don't remember what they said. I do. I don't know whether their figures are right. My figures are right.
Professor Morris, fantasy, but I'm not going to argue with here. Here's a simple challenge. You said not to look at the camera. It scares the people. I'll make the open challenge. You are going to scare them. No. Professor Morris.
Words are in print. I wrote 50 pages analyzing all of your work. I quote, some will say cherry pick, but I think accurately quote you. Here's a simple challenge. Answer me in print. Answer what I wrote and show where I'm making things up. Answer me a print. I'm not familiar. I'm sorry. I'm not familiar with what you wrote. That's no problem. You're a busy man. You're an important historian.
You don't have to know everything that's in print, especially by modest publishers. But now you know. And so here's the public challenge. You answer and show where I cherry picked, where I misrepresented. Send me the article. And then we can have a civil scholarly discussion. I'm not sure we will agree.
It's for the reader. to decide, looking at both sides, where this truth stands.
No, there are two aspects. There's a public debate, but there's also... within words.
But in this context, just for the educational purpose of teaching people... The educational purpose is, why would people commit what I have to acknowledge because I am faithful to the facts... massive atrocities on October 7. Why did that happen? I think that's the problem. The past is erased, and we suddenly went from 1948 to October 7, 2023. There is a problem there.
You don't know what's the correct international law.
I'm sure they believe it. I'm sure they believe it. And if the Hamas is hiding behind civilians, civilians die. Every time they target a kid, I'm sure they believe it's Hamas. When they killed the four kids. They believe it. I know they believe it. Even though they were diminutive size. Even though they were diminutive size. From that angle, you don't see the size. You don't see the size.
Let's leave it aside.
They literally did. Mr. Borelli, with all due respect, you're such a fantastic moron. It's terrifying. That wharf was filled with journalists. There were tens scores of journalists. That was an old fisherman's shack. What are you talking about? It's so painful. It's so painful to listen to this idiocy.
Okay, answer. In 2018, there was the Great March of Return in Gaza. By all reckonings of human rights organizations and journalists who were there, it was overwhelmingly nonviolent. It was organized by the Hamas. Whoever organized it. It was organized by Satan. Let's start with that.
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