Norman Finkelstein
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first heard Mar 2024
last heard Mar 2024
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We all know that's nonsense. But we also know that Netanyahu said it, correct?
The Israelis didn't even claim that in the document they submitted before the ICJ. Go read what your government submitted. It never mentioned beheadings.
You also denied that there were rapes there. I didn't deny. I said I've not seen convincing evidence that confirms it. I've said that from day one, and I'll say it today, four and a half months later. Do you know that they killed 800 or 900 civilians? Absolutely. That seems to me indisputable. Oh, okay. Well, I'm glad that you're considering something. I've said that from day one.
850, fine. So I never said that, but then I said, no, we don't know exactly how they were killed, but 800 civilians killed, 850, no question there. And I also said, on repeated occasions, there cannot be any doubt, in my opinion, as of now, with the available evidence, that Hamas was responsible for significant atrocities. And I made sure to include the plural.
It's called attaching value to words and not talking like a motor mouth. I am very careful about qualifying because that's what language is about.
My view is even if it were half, 400 is a huge number by any reckoning.
Muin Rabbani. I'm not sure if he concedes the 400. I'll say... Why 400?
I don't know. You're saying from day one you believe this particular thing and you clearly don't. You clearly don't believe this thing.
Wait, hold on. That's not controversial. Mr. Bunnell, I attach value to words. Yes, you do. When I was, Mr. Brunel, please slow down the speech and attempt to listen. When I was explicitly asked by Piers Morgan, I said there can be no question that Hamas committed atrocities on October 7th. If you want me to pin down a number, I can't do that. I'm going to ask you to pin down a number.
I'm telling you about a personal experience lasting decades. You said, quote,
I'm trying to quote what you just said. I shouldn't have said anything at any point. You should say, Professor Morris, you just said, I would condemn any time Israel deliberately attacks civilians, okay? The problem, Professor Morris, is over and over again, you claim in the face of overwhelming evidence... that they didn't attack civilians. That's not true.
I've said Israel has attacked civilians. In Kibia, Israel attacked civilians.
You cherry pick. Let's fast forward when you were an adult. What did you say about the 1982 Lebanon war? What did I say? You don't remember? Okay. Allow me. Uh-oh. Okay. So, it happens that I was not at all by any... I had no interest in the Israel-Palestine conflict as a young man until the 1982 Lebanon War. Yeah. You lost the passage. I'll find
All right.
Okay. First of all, on this issue of double standards, which is the one that irks or irritates Muin, you said that you are not a person of double standards, unlike people like Muin. you hold high a single standard and you condemn deliberate Israeli attacks on civilians. And I would say that's true for the period up till 1967, and I think it's accurate, your account of the First Intifada.
There it seems to me you were in conformity with most mainstream accounts, and the case of the First Intifada You also used, surprisingly, you used Arab human rights sources like al-Haqq, which I think Muin worked for during the First Intifada. That's true. But then something very strange happens. So let's illustrate it.
That's what happened.
If we have time... I know the record very well. I'd be very happy to go through it with you. But let's get to those double standards. So, this is what you have to say about Israel's invasion of Lebanon in 1982. You said, "...Israel was reluctant to harm civilians, sought to avoid casualties on both sides, and took care..." not to harm Lebanese and Palestinian civilians.
You then went on to acknowledge the massive use of IDF firepower against civilians during the siege of Beirut, which traumatized Israeli society. Morris quickly enters the caveat that Israel, quote, tried to pinpoint military targets, but inevitably many civilians were hit. That's your description of the Lebanon War. As I say, that's when I first got involved in the conflict.
I am a voracious reader. I read everything on the Lebanon War. I would say there's not a single account of the Lebanon War in which the estimates are between 15,000 and 20,000 Palestinian Lebanese were killed, overwhelmingly civilians. genocide, biggest bloodletting, I would say I can't think of a single mainstream account that remotely approximates what you just said.
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