Norman Ohler

It's like, and he also showed this with his hands because he's so mesmerized by his own findings, like it's kind of everywhere at the same time in the brain, like mesmerizing.

He says it's like a spa for the neurons, basically.

His findings show, and these are academic findings at Columbia, that it's like as if, he said to me, as if Iboga would know our brain from a long time.

It knows exactly, like if you're addicted to something or if you're depressed.

Depression literally is a depression in the neuronal network.

Depression is...

a thought loop, for example, you know, a system of thought loops that I'm not worthy, I'm not, whatever, I can't do it.

You always go back, like, this is, it really kind of depresses your brain in a way.

And Iboga sees this immediately and kind of takes the depression out and makes your brain basically well again.

So this is what his findings are.

So he says he's totally convinced.

He doesn't call it a plan.

He calls it like a neurotechnology of the 22nd century.

So Iboga really seems to be in a different kind of category.

That's why I really feel that Stone Sapiens must be written because there's so much...

that historians just shied away from.

And it all started when I was on the island of Crete, the biggest island of Greece.

Crete, that's another like Harare moment.

On Crete was the first, what is called high culture of Europe, the Minoan culture.

You might've heard of the Minoan culture.