Norman Ohler

Like Sapiens by Harari, which is a great book, he also misses that.

Like when he comes to those moments, he writes like, we don't understand how the first cognitive revolution and the second cognitive revolution actually happened.

So I find it interesting to kind of look, could it have been drugs?

Like I include like everything he leaves out.

I look at thoroughly.

Yeah, I mean, I'm still researching this book and writing it.

I also want to go there because they still take Iboga in Gabon, for example.

I also...

I interviewed one of the leading iboga experts at Columbia University for Stone Sapiens.

And he described how iboga works in the brain.

And he's never taken iboga himself.

Oh, interesting.

He just relies on the data.

He doesn't want to be personally influenced.

But he said he will take it at a certain point in time.

But right now he's still just working on data, just with patience, you know.

And what he found, and also examining in the brain through brain scanners what actually happens, and like classic psychedelics like LSD or psilocybin, they dock at certain points.

They interact with certain receptors.

It's quite well understood how they work.

And he said iboga is completely different.