Norman Ohler

And then I also found, and this is historically documented, opium was made in Crete and the poppy flower was growing there.

And this was the harbor.

Basically, they became incredibly wealthy through olive oil and opium trade through that harbor.

So you could say that the whole of the European high culture, which goes from Minoa, it goes to Athens.

So it all started basically with... They were drug dealers in a way.

I mean, it was the most potent medicine because it was the only medicine that numbs the pain...

For sure, you know, opium works and the Minoans developed that.

So, I mean, it's kind of, it's a bit similar to the blitz experience.

The more I start, I did research, the more I found.

I mean, there's some evidence, you know, like they came through the area where Iboga was, but there's no academic proof.

So I guess an academically trained historian couldn't really write about that.

But I can write about it.

I can write about possibilities.

I mean, it's also interesting, why did the Neanderthals die out?

And what we can compare is the cave art.

And the cave art of the Neanderthals is much simpler than ours.

Like, if you really get into the cave art, I don't know if you've done that.

No, no.

It's quite fascinating.

Picasso looked at some of the cave paintings in southern France, and he said, we didn't learn anything new.