Norman Ohler

And if you study them, they're really good.

But only the humans are good.

The Neanderthals...

They were like worse artists than us.

And you can also see there's a very famous one that comes from Algier with like a shaman and around his body, like mushrooms grow out of his body.

So he was like a mushroom shaman.

So mushrooms seem to have been like part, at least in that area.

And I mean, that's the stoned ape theory that Terence McKenna did.

And I think...

A lot of evidence kind of points to it that we were able to develop our consciousness in a better way than the Neanderthals who did not have a drug culture.

They were basically too sober for the future.

We assimilated them.

They had no chance against our impetus of boldly going where no one has gone before.

They were much more happy with what they had.

They were not progressing all the time.

We have the transcendental kind of moment, which is the psychedelic experience.

I guess you could think of it without it, but to imagine sapiens makes more sense to imagine sapiens as stone sapiens, as a species that was able to incorporate psychoactive components into its development.

It makes a lot of sense.

Well, I think Moses is quite interesting.

Moses was a traumatized man that had fled Egypt where he had killed a man who had been beating up a Hebrew.