Norman Ohler

Freedom of information.

But a company archive like Novartis Archive, the archivist can just say, no, I can't find this right.

You basically...

at his mercy so I bribed him with LSD because he didn't want to show me he didn't want to show me the Stoll papers and I said to him just to distract him I said have you ever seen LSD and he's like no how would I see it

And I said, well, I have some here.

And I had some.

I just had gotten it from a friend.

What does LSD look like?

Tabs?

Yeah, a tab.

I had a paper.

And the funny thing about, yeah, these are different, you know, different designs.

Yeah, then you take it like that.

And the one I had was given to me by a Swiss friend and it had, like here you see certain prints on it.

Oh, yeah.

And he had the, the print was the old logo of Sandoz from the 40s.

So the guys who make this illegal LSD in Basel, in some kind of lab, they know where it comes from.

So they made like a joke to make like the old logo of Sandoz.

I showed this to the archivist.

He said, this has the old logo of our company.