Norman Ohler

And I realized a lot about people's relationship to caves and the cave paintings, how, you know, actually the cave walls, you see all the arteries of the rocks.

And I mean, on LSD, you see all of that and you like see how alive that is and how beautiful it actually was by humans to then use that canvas to

and work your cave paintings in there.

I mean, I never had the appreciation of that before.

For me, it's a very creative drug.

But for other people, it might not be.

So I cannot advertise it.

Because also, if you have a psychological problem, maybe it's overwhelming.

freer and have have healed some of the things that we've been going through but if when people ask me to recommend or not i'm just too afraid to say yes i think i i think the right thing is always as a general no be very careful yeah i think it would be irresponsible to recommend it to people you don't see right you know yeah uh maybe if you know a friend and a friend asks you maybe then you could maybe i would say to a friend yeah i think i think you would be fine taking it

But even that is a big responsibility, you know, because LSD, in German, the book Tripped, is called the strongest substance.

And it is actually the strongest substance because it works in microgram dosages.

Like even the strongest snake poison, cobra toxin, if you use that in microgram dosages, you don't feel anything.

But if you take 250 micrograms of LSD, it can totally overpower you.

And if you have an instable psyche, it could turn you mad.

LSD and psilocybin are like cousins.

Distant cousins?

No, quite close cousins.

And I spoke to a neuroscientist from a university clinic in Zurich.

who's been researching psilocybin and LSD since the early 90s, and he puts people in brain scanners, for example.

So he sees exactly what happens in the brain on LSD or on psilocybin.