Norman Ohler

Like, it's a 19-year-old guy.

He's been drafted.

And in Nazi Germany, if you don't go, you land in the concentration camp.

So you can choose, you know, concentration camp or you just join the ranks and then you get Pavitin and then you invade France.

There was a trial in Germany because someone said all soldiers are murderers.

And I think then the German Bundeswehr like sued him, no soldiers are not murderers.

And he actually won in court.

So it's legal in Germany to call every soldier a murderer.

But it's a tricky question.

I mean, that's why I wrote the book, The Bohemians, because there were a few people in Berlin that didn't react this way, but they reacted in a different way.

They said, we cannot be part of this.

But it's hard to be the person.

It's very hard, yeah.

And most people are part of it.

because it's much more safe, or at least it seems more safe.

I mean, it has its own perils, you know, because you might become a genocidal murderer, you know, that might happen.

Are you responsible?

I would say you are responsible, but that's just my personal gut feeling.

I always thought my grandfather was responsible for the genocide because he was working for the German railway system and he once saw a train car full of Jews in a cattle wagon.

And he only said to me, yeah, this was against German railway regulations.