Norman Ohler

This is great.

I'm going to explain to Mussolini that he's not going to leave the war effort.

And on the way to the plane, he says to Morel that this Oikodal is really helping him and he wants another shot and he receives another shot.

So he has quite a lot of Oikodal in him when he speaks to Mussolini.

And there's like the people who write the protocol of the meeting and also other people around.

It's not like it's not just two people in the room.

It's like, I don't know, 15 or 20 people in the room.

And a lot of people talk about that meeting in their memoirs.

And Mussolini is not able to say one word, basically, because Hitler is so high and so charged.

And he's like, just telling the whole time how great this is, you know, what they're doing right now.

And of course, there's not even a... It's not possible that you're going to leave, you know.

We are in this together from the... You know, he explains everything, you know, the whole thing for like two hours.

And Mussolini is just like... It's like...

Then a messenger comes in and says, Rome has just been bombed.

He's like, he knows, he can't say anything and he stays.

So that was very much influenced, that meeting by his Eukodal.

And that's probably because it was so successful in Hitler's eyes.

What happened is why Eukodal became a very attractive...

drug for him and this happened this was the first time in july 1943 and then so he didn't take oikodal through the whole time you know it only started in july 43 he started with the with the regular opioid use you can see that he takes it more and more regular now not every day but sometimes like there's a the september 1944 he takes oikodal every second day which like junky rhythm you take it then the next day you don't take it then you take it again why is that junky rhythm

You don't take it all the time because you need to, I don't know, relax or you don't, there's like, you take it maybe Saturday night, you take it and the high lasts till Sunday morning.