Norman Ohler

And there they had parties every second Thursday night and they would invite friends.

And then once they trusted someone personally, then they would spill the beans and say, this is actually not just a party.

But they would like test it, like at the party, they would say something critical of the regime and you immediately, you know, either the person jumps on it, responds or like, you know, go somewhere else, gets a drink at the bar, you know, not into it.

So that was the way of recruiting people.

And that was such an efficient way that the Gestapo was not able to understand this group for a long time, not even recognize that there is a group because they

Gestapo was very good in infiltrating, for example, communist resistance groups because you just had to go in as a Gestapo guy and be a communist.

Just say the right words and they would at one point, you know, take you.

But with Haro and Libertas, it wasn't so easy.

You know, they would sniff you out, you know.

Yeah, they had music, they would dance, they would sleep with each other.

Well, they had, and this is again kind of a parallel to the 60s, they had the idea that if you're against fascism, if you're for freedom of everything.

Yeah, free love, the whole thing.

Yeah, they had free love, but it wasn't a dogma.

Also, there was a doctor, a female doctor there.

She was quite smart.

square, I guess you would say.

And she was like against this.

And she said, this is too complicated.

We are a resistance group.

Like what if like there's jealousy and what, like this could compromise operations.