Norman Ohler

Because there's never been evidence that it happened this way.

And they just looked at me and they said, there's no Viet Cong.

What are you talking about?

You are the Viet Cong.

He said, no, this is an American propaganda term.

We were the North Vietnamese army.

We never call ourselves the Viet Cong.

So the book is full of surprises, obviously.

But the very early beginning of Stone Sapiens goes back to about 1.5 million years ago when Homo erectus, who also has become kind of famous by now, Homo erectus, it's like the first human that really gets shit done.

Yeah, they get moving.

Yeah, they move.

And why were they moving?

Why were they moving?

I mean, then you can examine exactly where they originated, which was, I mean, it's also disputed by now that it's the Great Rift Valley, that only the most fossils have been found there, but that doesn't mean that they originated there.

Maybe they originated in the Central African rainforest, where fossils disintegrate, and only there in the Rift Valley we still find it, so...

But we know for sure that in the Great Rift Valley, there was a plant called cut, which is like a plant speed.

So they were using that.

It's still being used now in these countries, in Ethiopia, Yemen, around the Horn of Africa, cut is very normal to use.

You chew the leaves and it gives you like, it's like an amphetamine.

It's a plant amphetamine, basically.