Oisín McConville

What's the one or two things that you absolutely remember that will stick with you, Frank?

Now, I have to say, I have to say...

Yeah, absolutely.

It's funny how life sort of meanders in different directions.

I suppose you've touched upon quite a lot of stuff there.

But your connection to people, that's how you framed that at the very start, that we need to get back there, losing that and getting back to people.

It makes sense on YouTube if you're listening to it.

I was holding up the phone there.

Is that as important as the faith, Frank?

Like if Father Martin wasn't a monk, do you think he would have become a priest if you never met him?

Yeah.

There's so much to talk about Africa, because the fact it nearly killed you on multiple occasions with malaria, yet you still kept going back.

But I nearly want to just jump to the end, Ian.

Why did you leave the priesthood for someone who is of such faith, well got, and was enjoying, as you put it, the ministry?

Loneliness.

Yeah.

When you said things going on in your head, what do you mean, Frank?

What do you mean at that time?

If that's not too personal a question.

And it is a lonely, lonely thing.