Oisin Rogers

And there's this whole sliding scale all the way along.

And the bit from a good wet pub with good food

to a gastropub that is definitely a restaurant is actually really wide.

So there's lots of different places you could go in between.

So it's really hard to define.

And actually, I hate the word gastropub because it no longer means anything.

Because that middle of the spectrum is actually so wide that you want to know where that business is.

I think so.

I totally have.

I'm going to go back to the smoking ban again, because before the smoking ban, every pub had stools all the way around the bar, like you do in the US.

Whereas before the smoking ban, they thought that they could sort of mitigate against it by moving people away from the bar so that the staff wouldn't be breathing the smoke in.

And they thought that was going to be OK.

And so therefore, they didn't allow people to sit at the bar anymore as much.

So people sort of retreated away.

And I think it became a little less social then.

And we're trying to bring that back.

So we've brought all our stools back to the bar.

So people are likely to be shoulder to shoulder and chat away and stuff like that.

I think it's always changing, but it's also always the same.

There are places where community gets together.