Oisín McConville

But we don't push where people don't want to go.

We accept that.

But you do have two daughters out of it, which you have a good relationship.

Obviously, which you've mentioned, 11, 12, interesting ages.

And...

One of your daughters has Down syndrome and that brings a different challenge.

And I remember reading something about you talking about your brother who had learning challenges.

And that's why I brought that up at the very start because

your reply to either a question or it was maybe the bit that was used.

I just read it and it said, he's our greatest gift.

Am I quoting you correctly?

You are indeed.

You are indeed.

And it just flips the switch.

My wife was on a plane with someone, met someone, and she was there with her Down syndrome child.

And what she said, now I know that they're not the same, but there could be similarities, if you like.

But she said something that always sticks with me.

The woman who had, obviously I won't be mentioning, had Down syndrome child, said, you know, I have to be honest, when we got the news, we were devastated, beyond devastated.

You know, your earth had fallen around you.

But you see now,