Oliver Darcy

And so in many cases, they're not even, you know, this is ostensibly supposed to be a news organization that doesn't cover the news when it's not flattering for Donald Trump.

Instead, they cover culture wars

I think there is.

I think the lesson, though, is that propaganda sells.

Yeah.

And it's not the first time it's sold.

And it's very powerful and very potent.

And it's very corrosive, I think, to our public discourse and to our democracy.

Yeah.

I guess you used to be able to shine a bright light on stuff and it resulted, like people used to say, sunlight is the best disinfectant.

At this point, I'm not sure with MAGA media and these MAGA personalities, whether that's the case.

I think it matters to part of the universe of MAGA media, but like it doesn't matter to the Fox viewers, right?

Do you think it matters to the country?

I think it does matter.

I think when Joe Rogan is, it's not me or you saying this, he's equating ICE to the Gestapo.

I think that certainly matters.

And I think it's because his audience is broader than the Fox audience, which are like the diehards of the diehards.

I agree.

I think the ICE stuff is a very damaging thing.

And I think most people can agree that having masked federal agents clearly abused their power.