Olivia Wilde

And like, I think that we existed in this like little bubble and like,

The judgment never really like got into that bubble, which was a miracle and a testament to like to us, like making that happen.

I'm so happy that you watched it and that, I mean, we are both –

Perelheads.

We both love Esther.

Esther is all over that shit and was our literal consultant.

And we have to talk about that.

Yes, we have to.

But I'm so happy that I can discuss it with you because it deals with so many of the things that you bring up so eloquently with your guests.

And it's relatable for so many of us going through relationship dramas in every single way.

Well, she was my shrink at one point.

Oh, yeah.

Years and years and years and years and years ago, I learned about her.

I read Mating in Captivity 20 years ago, and it blew my mind.

And I was immediately drawn to Mating.

her and her completely original perspective on relationships and on individuality within relationships.

And it felt like it was smashing this idea apart that we had all I had been raised with, which was the idea that you kind of needed to be in relationship with someone else as opposed to like, who are you individually within the relationship and all the responsibility one needs to take within a relationship.

But I have to tell you,

I don't think I understood it 20 years ago, and I spent then 20 years of, like, going through relationships and then made this movie and suddenly felt like I understood Esther.

And, okay, so...