Oprah Winfrey

And during the pandemic, some called your COVID policy one of your greatest political legacies, but there were also blistering critics and criticisms for it, and even people marching outside your office and death threats. You talk a lot about it here. We get inside your head. But can you briefly, for our audience, describe... what grappling with that experience was like.

Because in the beginning, we were looking at you all, you only had like six cases in the beginning.

Because in the beginning, we were looking at you all, you only had like six cases in the beginning.

Because in the beginning, we were looking at you all, you only had like six cases in the beginning.

To be completely transparent.

To be completely transparent.

To be completely transparent.

Well, that's just one sentence you're using to describe this, but it was a process. It was a big process. Yes. It moved quickly, but it was a process. How do we stop this? We need to close our borders.

Well, that's just one sentence you're using to describe this, but it was a process. It was a big process. Yes. It moved quickly, but it was a process. How do we stop this? We need to close our borders.

Well, that's just one sentence you're using to describe this, but it was a process. It was a big process. Yes. It moved quickly, but it was a process. How do we stop this? We need to close our borders.

But I think the issue that you described so beautifully here, and you can describe it beautifully because now you've had time to sit with it. Yes. Very well written, I must say, too.

But I think the issue that you described so beautifully here, and you can describe it beautifully because now you've had time to sit with it. Yes. Very well written, I must say, too.

But I think the issue that you described so beautifully here, and you can describe it beautifully because now you've had time to sit with it. Yes. Very well written, I must say, too.

But you save people's lives so that if they want to eventually get together, they can.

But you save people's lives so that if they want to eventually get together, they can.

But you save people's lives so that if they want to eventually get together, they can.

When people started to turn on you, though, Jacinda, when people started to turn, listen, I've had people turn on me. I've heard the vitriol from the web. I've had the, you know, the lies, the stories, the conspiracy theories made up. It is so disorienting. It is. It is so. It is. It just, it shakes your foundation because you're like, I don't even recognize who you're talking about.

When people started to turn on you, though, Jacinda, when people started to turn, listen, I've had people turn on me. I've heard the vitriol from the web. I've had the, you know, the lies, the stories, the conspiracy theories made up. It is so disorienting. It is. It is so. It is. It just, it shakes your foundation because you're like, I don't even recognize who you're talking about.

When people started to turn on you, though, Jacinda, when people started to turn, listen, I've had people turn on me. I've heard the vitriol from the web. I've had the, you know, the lies, the stories, the conspiracy theories made up. It is so disorienting. It is. It is so. It is. It just, it shakes your foundation because you're like, I don't even recognize who you're talking about.

You are losing sleep at night. You need sleeping pills in order to get to sleep because you were trying to make the best decision for the masses. Yeah.