Oprah Winfrey

That's not how I roll, you say.

You say, nothing is fair.

It's true, but I don't have time to wait for equity.

I'd rather make it.

I take full responsibility for my life and I create my own future regardless of what comes back.

And I want to ask, how do you take radical ownership?

of our lives without gaslighting ourselves or dismissing very real barriers that we know exist, how do you hold both truths at the same time?

I love it.

You have all these girls that I put through school in South Africa.

A lot of them came to the United States.

And I remember one of my daughter girls, I call them, had graduated from USC and was fortunate enough to get a job right out of college working as an architect.

And four months in,

She calls me and says, complaining because there's no work-life balance.

And I did not do any gentle parenting.

I said, girl, you better get off this phone.

And I know recently you made waves when you said in an interview that work-life balance is your problem.

That's yours to figure out.

And a lot of people didn't like that.

But tell us your take on work-life balance.

And you and your husband, Jens, are business partners.