Oprah Winfrey

We are.

And you have four children.

So how did you move from not only working relationship to romantic relationship?

But how do you navigate family and business?

I mean, I just marvel, first of all, at any woman who is working outside the home, comes home, has to do all the mothering.

I never had children, even though people were saying, and one of the reasons I didn't have children was because I knew I couldn't do both well.

And people would say to me, well, you have this entire studio.

You could build your own nursery.

I thought, well, they'll just be in the nursery and I'll be over here.

And Tara Montgomery, who produces this podcast and has been a producer for me for over 30 years, has five kids.

I don't know how she does it.

I don't know how you do it.

How do you navigate family and business?

Can you turn off your business mind when you get home and be fully present for your kids?

You don't need to do that.

You don't need to do that.

And how did you learn that or did you just always know it because of the way you were raised?

So early on in your career, you write, when I was an unseasoned CEO, the business was in financial straits.

Rather than letting my direct report to know and sharing accountability with them, I internalized the pressure and then shocked everyone when we suddenly needed to cut 15 people from our 16-person team.

Not only did I feel like I was going to die of shame, you entice all these people to give up what they have at other companies and join you on a journey, and then you fail them.