Owen Doyle

We've got to see it.

And then he calls the referee up and he says, we have to go back and have a look at that.

And that's the difference.

So the French television, they're being a little bit, they're being very clever with that answer.

We will put up everything the TMO sees.

And that goes back to the guys who are the TMOs.

And I know most of them, they're all very, very good guys, but they haven't got anything like the experience to the referee to judge everything.

And also, as far as I'm aware, looking at the television screen is two dimensional, whereas the referee on the pitch sees something in three dimensions.

They're trying to go down that road, but a lot of former referees don't want to go down that road.

I mean, Alain Roland was the prime example.

He said, nothing in God's earth will get me into that booth.

I do not want to do that job.

There's a World Cup final referee being absolutely adamant it's going to have nothing to do with it.

So a lot of them don't want to do it.

People like Ben Whitehouse, great guys, are people who were tried at international level and actually didn't make it.

They were tried at European level and didn't really make it.

He refs in the URC.

There's nothing against him.

Everybody has their ceiling.

That's where he's reffing, and the rest of his life he's in the TMO booth.