Owen Gregorian

And so I'm like, all right, fine.

I mean, I didn't really have much of a choice.

Right.

And so I went to this thing and it was incredible.

It was really good.

And I know Scott Adams went to the same course because he's talked about that.

And, um, it, the magic of that is that they do force you to do public speaking, but again, they give you a structure.

They kind of teach you, okay, you're going to give a two minute talk.

Here's exactly what to say, or here's, you know, you can pick a topic, but here's the structure of it.

Here's the intro, here's the middle, here's the end.

This is what you have to do.

And then the other part of it is no one in the audience is allowed to critique it at all.

You're not allowed to say anything negative.

The only thing you can say is positive feedback.

So it's just a totally supportive, totally positive environment.

And I think the whole structure of it gets people out of their shell.

They, they, you get more comfortable with it just through practice.

by getting up in front of people you don't know and giving a talk but

you know, at the end of it, they're going to say something good about it.

They're just going to point out what you did right.