Oz Veloshian

And you can be on a zero to... Everywhere between zero to one, I think, on the P-Doom spectrum.

One being that doom is inevitable.

Do you think this discourse is just silly?

I mean, how do you view the kind of existential risk around AI?

First of all, thank God, because I was really worried we were going to have a whole conversation and not mention AI.

It was going to leave me feeling kind of bereft.

I know.

So...

The problem of new technologies versus past technologies is that we can say with certainty that everybody freaked out about a new technology in the past and it all turned out okay.

But we know that because it's the past.

We don't know whether our present will turn out okay in our future because we haven't lived it yet.

At any given moment, those fears were legit.

I did one of the podcasts this season with Sebastian Malamy about one of the creators of the current AI world, Demis Hassabis, who created DeepMind for Google.

And Sebastian actually wrote a piece recently about Demis as Oppenheimer.

You know, Oppenheimer famously helps create the nuclear bomb and then says, also famously, when the first test, you know, quotes from the Gita, says, I've become death, destroyer of worlds.

But, of course, there never was nuclear.

That was it, right?

I mean, if you'd said to Oppenheimer, we're going to use these things once and then never again.

Nothing would.

But that's the thing, right?