Oz Veloshin

So I'm starting to see that there's a through line.

Thank you for finishing that sentence.

Yes.

I don't think there's a more important year for black people.

Really?

Yeah.

For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history.

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So Saad, thank you for being here today.

Ali is obviously building technology, which is driving creative industries.

You, I think, if anybody I've ever met in my life, have harnessed technology to drive culture.

You're the author of a book called Radio Free Afghanistan.

But you've had this remarkable journey of both using radio, television, and most recently WhatsApp to intervene in culture.

But

Start at the beginning in your return to Afghanistan after leaving as a boy in 2002.

And why radio?

What was the moment when you realized the radio station would require you to move to Afghanistan full time and would become kind of the center of your life?

I think it's interesting because radio obviously feels like the oldest and most boring communication technology there is.

I mean, it's been around for,

Was there a moment with the radio station where you realized this has snowballed and become so much bigger and more powerful than I ever could have imagined?