Oz Veloshin

I want to come back to that was it worth it or did it work question.

But before that, I mean, you and I collaborated on a podcast called Afghan Star about the music game show that changed the country.

which John Legend hosted.

Talk about that television program and what it meant and why so many people risked their lives to appear on it and to work on it.

And this program achieved that.

But tell us about the scene in Herat Airport.

I mean, tell that story from beginning to end.

Chapter 20 of Radio Free Afghanistan.

I think you told me once that you were always too nervous to watch it.

I mean, there's this big question of, does culture change society, right?

And it looked for a long time when you brought radio and television to Afghanistan, you had this extraordinary engagement, that in a sense, you and the people of Afghanistan had

given birth to a new Afghanistan.

Um, and then of course the Taliban returned.

Um, and you mentioned questioning after that, what in fact you achieved, but I mean, as you look at it today, is it a fire that you kindled those embers now, but that will rise again or did guns and politics in the end have the power to quash culture?

Talk about deciding to continue with your operations after the Taliban returned.

What is the reality for your female journalists and anchors in Afghanistan today?

You won a major award in December of this year for two educational programs that you've led, one using radio in Gaza for the children's education there, and another using WhatsApp and AI-driven WhatsApp courses for Education Afghanistan.

So just to close, final question for you.

I mean, how have you taken all these platform technologies

radio, television, WhatsApp, and harness them to drive culture?