Pablo Torre

And if you just wanna know what's in the movie, I do recommend that you go watch that episode that Wesley and I did.

But if you're like most other people in Ezra's life, here's just a fair warning, you're probably gonna have the same cursed reaction.

Nor did the best documentarian in America feel like opening up about any of this across from me in front of a microphone in this studio.

Until now.

But you ultimately agreed to sit here across from me, your friend.

And why?

Why did you say yes in the end?

I believe that this would have been worthy of... Pablo, if you followed the news, you should know... I know, it's serialized, it's episodic, but the point being, you made something worthy of... To you.

To me.

I don't know.

But instead, what you got is the eighth stage of grief, which is podcasting.

I think people need to be caught up on what the f*** you spent that time doing.

Like, what does it take to make something that leaves you feeling like this?

Once you realize the degree of difficulty here, I want to get to your decision then to not just roll up your sleeves, but to spend almost five years digging.

Well, allow me to quote just for the record here what the estate said in that Variety article.

Because the line from the article says that representatives for the late artist's estate previously claimed a first cut of the film was filled with quote dramatic factual inaccuracies and quote sensationalized renderings of certain events from his life according to sources close to the situation.

It is a question of who gets to claim that they have.

what feels like editorial authority or less highfalutin, who has the truth on their side?

But the underlying tension here is...

What does it mean when one of the greatest and most influential and significant Americans in pop cultural history is being cast as their estate would have it as the victim of a documentarian posthumously, a posthumous victim of a story that is being told for the benefit of said director?