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And so it was a bit shocking that that was allowed.

That's a whole different

issue within itself um and so i would say we were all extremely surprised and you know uncomfortable with that because there are girls who that's not something they would agree to doing to um you know to consent to and so it just seems like so so sorry to cut you off here but i just want to you do see a roadmap there for what the framework of this event ends up becoming

Right.

You get Clay Travis in a conversation about sexual assault and consent.

you know, did make it seem like it was something that, oh, we'll just all share locker rooms, but, you know, there are so many girls who, you know, even have faced sexual assault, and this kind of thing can be traumatic on just so many different levels.

The whole like misgendering stuff even aside, right?

We're talking just about the narrative here, the storytelling contest here and sexual assault coming up, which again brings up this image, this template for how a trans athlete is not merely someone who's going to take your trophy from you, take your scholarship from your kids.

They're going to be predators preying on your daughters.

And so just the encounter, by the way, just the sheer interaction in the locker room between Leah Thomas and Riley Gaines.

I do want to fact check that.

Yeah, so obviously I wasn't there.

You weren't there.

Leah Thomas declined an interview request, understandably.

Riley didn't get back to me.

But I did talk to not just the anonymous swimmer we heard from earlier, but also two other swimmers who competed at the NCAAs, two of whom say they changed with Leah there in the locker room.

And they were pretty eager to help me fact check this.

Riley's teammate, who we'll hear from now, refers to the locker room as the bathroom situation.

NCAAs is only women's and that it's only men's.

So they open up all of the bathrooms to the athletes.